The Hollow Earth

[chandrakavi]

David Icke states in THE BIGGEST SECRET, that many years ago many people seriously believed ,AND OTHERS STILL DO, that the earth IS Hollow(also see in youtube THE HOLLOW EARTH.) The Nazis, the writer Jules Verne(iniate of of the secret society with Connections to order of teh godlen dawn and others. it is said the earth has entrances at the poles saying a base was established in the Antartica, Admiral Richard E. Byrd, who flew there with his entire USA crew,
David icke recommends reading the book THE HOLLOW EARTH by Dr. Raymond
Bernard as a summary of the evidence. It is said that the outer crust goes down 800 miles and beyond that the planet is hollow.
Also the unanswered question : why are iceberg made of fresh water , when the only water available at the poles is sea water?There rare fresh
water rivers out of the inner Earth forming the fresh water icebergs.

Ray Palmer believed that UFOs came not from space ,they came from the inner earth(hollow earth).

There is an inner sun , clouds, animals, which in the winter migrate to the north, to where it's warmer.

so there are people living inside this same earth, in the hollow earth,
miles under our feet ,and we are not supposed to know about it,
wouldn't believe it either, but Admiral Byrd and witnesses were there to see it. Reality is stranger than fiction.
The Roman writer, GAIUS PLINIUS SECUNDUS, known as Pliny,
refers to underground peoples who had fled from Atlantis ,
also legends of the Inner Earth dwellers called the Troglodytes who, Pliny said, have hidden in their tunnels a great ancient treasure.

[chandrakavi]

go to:

http://www.voyagehollowearth.com


Interesting that someone would show up this year 2007,
let's see what will happen:)

[david ickes bike]

Admiral Richard E. Byrd, who flew there with his entire USA crew

I was under the impression Byrd says he flew in alone. Either way Byrd was a s mad as a hatter.

[chandrakavi]

Admiral Byrd fllew with his entire crew, NOT ALONE,
you can be skeptical about one man, but all of them?
we'll see what happens with the trip 2007

[raffles]

I was under the impression Byrd says he flew in alone. Either way Byrd was a s mad as a hatter.

Doubt a man as mad as a hatter could rise to the rank of admiral.

Mind you bush became president so who knows :D

[chandrakavi]

We'll be able to see wether it is hallow or not in a couple of months.

It has been informed that the trip was going to be done earlier, but the leader of the group died.

I don't know wether it is or not hallow,
WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.

A lot of people in the past, and still in the present
believe in that ,that 800 miles below the crust of the earth
it is no longer solid, the allow earth begins,

Will be interesting to see if it is one way or another.

[hagbard_celine]

We'll be able to see wether it is hallow or not in a couple of months.

It has been informed that the trip was going to be done earlier, but the leader of the group died.
.

That's right. It was Chris Currey. Brooks Agnew has taken over.

But I wouldn't get your hopes up. This mission has been "going to" happen for several years. My guess is what will happen is the same thing that happened last year and in 2005: Just before departure the website will be taken down and we'll hear no more about it.

Last year I corresponded with someone who claimed to be on the mission and she reported that the ship had left Murmansk and returned a few hours later after breaking down. That's the last I heard about it.

Shame, because I think it's a good idea and if I had the money I'd be tempted to go along.

[umbrex]

David Icke states in THE BIGGEST SECRET, that many years ago many people seriously believed ,AND OTHERS STILL DO, that the earth IS Hollow(also see in youtube THE HOLLOW EARTH.) The Nazis, the writer Jules Verne(iniate of of the secret society with Connections to order of teh godlen dawn and others. it is said the earth has entrances at the poles saying a base was established in the Antartica, Admiral Richard E. Byrd, who flew there with his entire USA crew,
David icke recommends reading the book THE HOLLOW EARTH by Dr. Raymond
Bernard as a summary of the evidence. It is said that the outer crust goes down 800 miles and beyond that the planet is hollow.
Also the unanswered question : why are iceberg made of fresh water , when the only water available at the poles is sea water?There rare fresh
water rivers out of the inner Earth forming the fresh water icebergs.

Ray Palmer believed that UFOs came not from space ,they came from the inner earth(hollow earth).

There is an inner sun , clouds, animals, which in the winter migrate to the north, to where it's warmer.

so there are people living inside this same earth, in the hollow earth,
miles under our feet ,and we are not supposed to know about it,
wouldn't believe it either, but Admiral Byrd and witnesses were there to see it. Reality is stranger than fiction.
The Roman writer, GAIUS PLINIUS SECUNDUS, known as Pliny,
refers to underground peoples who had fled from Atlantis ,
also legends of the Inner Earth dwellers called the Troglodytes who, Pliny said, have hidden in their tunnels a great ancient treasure.

Wake the fuck up please. It is inconceivable that the earth is hollow. Do u even realize the insanity of this concept and how it would literally obliterate the chance of life on earth ??

Admiral byrd did go to antactica back in the late 40'ies to eliminate what was left of the nazis (google Neu Schwabenland) who went their after the war to establish their last hold-out. Byrds expidition was supposed to have lasted for three months. After 3 weeks he had to return with his tail behind his legs. The official story was that he was there to test new equipment. But u dont bring 3000 men to do that. The nazi's alledgedly developed UFO's and the historical evidense may be hard to believe, but it's overwhelming. In my oppinion the nazis found a thermal hotspot, ideally suited for an off premise, underground base. They had the time, technology and logistics to do all this. Did so and sent Byrd packing with superior technology.

Hollow earth, please...

[chandrakavi]

don't know, but neither do you, so the time will come

when we we all find out if this is so.

Can you imagine, the shock people had when itt was proven that the earth was round,
after having thought for centuries that it was flat,
after all, our eyes STILL see it flat, don't we?
so I would keep an open mind,
until it is proven that it is solid as we have been told since birth,
if it isn't fine, let's just wait and not believe we are owners of any truth,
Best to you friend ,

[shodan]

Stewart Swerdlow had an interesting story about an elderly gentleman he knew who could remember being in school in the 20's and being taught about admiral Byrd and the entrance to the hollow earth, and some government heavies turned up one day and swapped all the books that had references with books they'd brought with them....

who knows

[umbrex]

don't know, but neither do you, so the time will come

when we we all find out if this is so.

Can you imagine, the shock people had when itt was proven that the earth was round,
after having thought for centuries that it was flat,
after all, our eyes STILL see it flat, don't we?
so I would keep an open mind,
until it is proven that it is solid as we have been told since birth,
if it isn't fine, let's just wait and not believe we are owners of any truth,
Best to you friend ,

lol, holy crap...

....think u'll have alot of fun on this site!

[hagbard_celine]

don't know, but neither do you, so the time will come

when we we all find out if this is so.

Can you imagine, the shock people had when itt was proven that the earth was round,
after having thought for centuries that it was flat,
after all, our eyes STILL see it flat, don't we?
so I would keep an open mind,
until it is proven that it is solid as we have been told since birth,
if it isn't fine, let's just wait and not believe we are owners of any truth,
Best to you friend ,

In the days before the solid sphere (SS) model became accepted, the flat Earth (FE) model occupied exactly the same paradigm slot that the current SS model does. It was the one on all the maps, everyone accepted it is fact, it matched all the contemporary geological theories. What's more those who contradicted it; including those who upheld the SS model that is the conventional model today, like Columbus and Magellan, were ridiculed and shunned.

So if the FE model and the SS models occupy the same paradigm slot, so to speak, why should we accept the SS model as the final, ultimate truth?

[chandrakavi]

In the days before the solid sphere (SS) model became accepted, the flat Earth (FE) model occupied exactly the same paradigm slot that the current SS model does. It was the one on all the maps, everyone accepted it is fact, it matched all the contemporary geological theories. What's more those who contradicted it; including those who upheld the SS model that is the conventional model today, like Columbus and Magellan, were ridiculed and shunned.

So if the FE model and the SS models occupy the same paradigm slot, so to speak, why should we accept the SS model as the final, ultimate truth?

Absolutely right! no one has the copyright on the ultimate truth, specially
if it has not been proven in any way! we can give it the benefit of the doubt at least ,and have an open mind about it.:)

[umbrex]

In the days before the solid sphere (SS) model became accepted, the flat Earth (FE) model occupied exactly the same paradigm slot that the current SS model does. It was the one on all the maps, everyone accepted it is fact, it matched all the contemporary geological theories. What's more those who contradicted it; including those who upheld the SS model that is the conventional model today, like Columbus and Magellan, were ridiculed and shunned.

So if the FE model and the SS models occupy the same paradigm slot, so to speak, why should we accept the SS model as the final, ultimate truth?

Absolutely right! no one has the copyright on the ultimate truth, specially
if it has not been proven in any way! we can give it the benefit of the doubt at least ,and have an open mind about it.:)

COMPLETE BS!

[chandrakavi]

COMPLETE BS!


BACHELOR IN SCIENCE

thank you!:D:D:D:D

[umbrex]

BACHELOR IN SCIENCE

thank you!:D:D:D:D

wow, that adds so much credibility to your smashing, rock-solid arguments.

[hagbard_celine]

Absolutely right! no one has the copyright on the ultimate truth, specially
if it has not been proven in any way! we can give it the benefit of the doubt at least ,and have an open mind about it.:)


Yes indeed. I ask people just to be introspective for a moment and ask themselves exactly how they came about the information that the world is a solid sphere? The answer I give is this: I've seen it on maps and in school atlases, on TV pictures supposedly filmed in space. I've never seen the solidity and spherical propeties of the Earth itself. I've been deep below ground in a Welsh slate mine, but how do I know that the solid rock under my feet went down all the way to the Earth's core? I've flown at 40,000 in an aeroplane, but the Earth looked just as flat from up there as it does from the surface. If I were to claim that the Earth is a solid sphere then I would be basing my claim on no direct experience at all. I would be basing it on the convention viewpoint that I've absorbed since my birth; what I've been told by teachers and parents and peers that hold that viewpoint on the very same ground: because that's what they've absorbed. The "It just is" and "That's just the way things are" factor.

[umbrex]

Yes indeed. I ask people just to be introspective for a moment and ask themselves exactly how they came about the information that the world is a solid sphere? The answer I give is this: I've seen it on maps and in school atlases, on TV pictures supposedly filmed in space. I've never seen the solidity and spherical propeties of the Earth itself. I've been deep below ground in a Welsh slate mine, but how do I know that the solid rock under my feet went down all the way to the Earth's core? I've flown at 40,000 in an aeroplane, but the Earth looked just as flat from up there as it does from the surface. If I were to claim that the Earth is a solid sphere then I would be basing my claim on no direct experience at all. I would be basing it on the convention viewpoint that I've absorbed since my birth; what I've been told by teachers and parents and peers that hold that viewpoint on the very same ground: because that's what they've absorbed. The "It just is" and "That's just the way things are" factor.

i suppose lava then is heated up from the internal sun which provides daylight to the inner earth, right ?

[hagbard_celine]

i suppose lava then is heated up from the internal sun which provides daylight to the inner earth, right ?

No, lava heats up in the crustal interior. The SS model is not necesary to explain lava. Even mainstream geology says that the idea that all lava comes from deep in the core is a myth. You don't have to go very deep to find temperatures hot enough to melt rock. Even Obsidian has been brought up from the upper mantle.

[graflok]

Wake the fuck up please. It is inconceivable that the earth is hollow. Do u even realize the insanity of this concept and how it would literally obliterate the chance of life on earth ??


Why don't you explain to us how this is so?

[umbrex]

Why don't you explain to us how this is so?

The inside of the earth is extremely hot. The planet is in fact cooling. This heat makes the surface temperature possible. If we didn't have it we would have a cold surface like some other planets in our solar system which do not have a "living" core.

So u can have 2 scenarios:

a) the earth is solid with a hot core of magma

or

b) the earth is hollow with a sun hovering inside of it, defying all laws of physics.

Conclusion: Scenario b is completely preposterous.

[graflok]

The inside of the earth is extremely hot. The planet is in fact cooling. This heat makes the surface temperature possible. If we didn't have it we would have a cold surface like some other planets in our solar system which do not have a "living" core.

So u can have 2 scenarios:

a) the earth is solid with a hot core of magma

or

b) the earth is hollow with a sun hovering inside of it, defying all laws of physics.

Conclusion: Scenario b is completely preposterous.

I love that expression "defying all laws of physics."

UFOs are said to "defy all laws" of gravity, aeronautics, motion, time, etc. yet
many thousands have been seen and photographed, etc.

Bigfoot "defies all laws" of zoology yet thousands have been seen and some
photographed and many examples of footprints and other evidence exist.

Lake monsters and other crypids "defy all laws" of evolution yet many
witnesses report seeing them going back many years.

I don't think there is a "paranormal" subject that does not "defy all laws" of
some "science" or other. That's basically what "paranormal" means -- defying
"conventional wisdom."

So, when I see the expression "defies all laws of _______" I just think it
means "defies all laws that we currently foist off on the brain-washed
students in our universities.":cool:

BTW, I'm not saying the Earth is hollow. I don't know if it is or not. But, I suggest
not relying on "all laws of physics" as a measure of whether something exists or not.

[umbrex]

I love that expression "defying all laws of physics."

UFOs are said to "defy all laws" of gravity, aeronautics, motion, time, etc. yet
many thousands have been seen and photographed, etc.

It's simple; advanced technology

Bigfoot "defies all laws" of zoology yet thousands have been seen and some
photographed and many examples of footprints and other evidence exist.

This is just to stupid for comment.

Lake monsters and other crypids "defy all laws" of evolution yet many
witnesses report seeing them going back many years.

most of which have been proven hoaxes, even more are myths and attention whores and nutters


So, when I see the expression "defies all laws of _______" I just think it
means "defies all laws that we currently foist off on the brain-washed
students in our universities."

when i see this i think you should might have invested a little more time refining your own skills


BTW, I'm not saying the Earth is hollow. I don't know if it is or not. But, I suggest not relying on "all laws of physics" as a measure of whether something exists or not.

Dude. Ur arguing for a fucking hollow earth, You are using UFO's, Bigfoot and the Loch-Ness monster to back your argument. Get real. It's like smashing your head into a brick wall..

I have an open mind. I can go along with a lot of things where normal people say stop.
But for gods sake man, you have to maintain a critics view on things. Some things are just to stupid to go along with, the hollow earth is one of them.

[umbrex]

I just found this interesing term: Woo woo:

"Woo-woo" is shorthand for the kind of conspiracy theorist/against the mainstream proponent that will believe about any damn thing. Holographic planes, Face on Mars, alien bases on the Moon; you name it

[ms_moon]

I think what is meant by 'Hollow Earth' is that there are underground passages and dwellings in there- it is quite large in there you know...!!

[nickatnoon61]

The inside of the earth is extremely hot. The planet is in fact cooling. This heat makes the surface temperature possible. If we didn't have it we would have a cold surface like some other planets in our solar system which do not have a "living" core.

So u can have 2 scenarios:

a) the earth is solid with a hot core of magma

or

b) the earth is hollow with a sun hovering inside of it, defying all laws of physics.

Conclusion: Scenario b is completely preposterous.


Umbrex, it sounds like you are "educated"! I am trying to forget everything I learned in "school"!:eek:

[umbrex]

I think what is meant by 'Hollow Earth' is that there are underground passages and dwellings in there- it is quite large in there you know...!!

I actually agree on this. I believe the myth of the hollow earth originate from old tales of existing vast cave systems, but the hollow earth theory is about the entire surface is nothing but a shell with holes at each pole and a sun inside.

Umbrex, it sounds like you are "educated"! I am trying to forget everything I learned in "school"!:eek:

Don't forget everything you learned just because you found out everything isn't as it seems.

edit: No soup for you :D

[graflok]

It's simple; advanced technology



This is just to stupid for comment.



most of which have been proven hoaxes, even more are myths and attention whores and nutters




when i see this i think you should might have invested a little more time refining your own skills




Dude. Ur arguing for a fucking hollow earth, You are using UFO's, Bigfoot and the Loch-Ness monster to back your argument. Get real. It's like smashing your head into a brick wall..

I have an open mind. I can go along with a lot of things where normal people say stop.
But for gods sake man, you have to maintain a critics view on things. Some things are just to stupid to go along with, the hollow earth is one of them.

Sorry, your post defies all laws of logic and is hereby rejected.

[graflok]

I just found this interesing term: Woo woo:

"Woo-woo" is shorthand for the kind of conspiracy theorist/against the mainstream proponent that will believe about any damn thing. Holographic planes, Face on Mars, alien bases on the Moon; you name it

Physics too?

[kblood]

One of the ideas I have been studying lately, for the human race to survive eventual cataclysmic events, is an idea for us to build underground cities. Something ala what Zion in "The Matrix" trilogy. While exploring this I heard about discoveries of underground cavesystems. While exploring these they found underground cities. My source didnt say wether it was abandonded or not, but who knows? We could have "inter"terrestials in a more literal sense than David Icke tells us.

Seems to be covered up though. Havent been able to find anything about underground places where people might have lived. And if it is covered up...

Other things I think is worth noting. I think I have read about planets that sometimes "evolve" into a sun. I think some planets is close to the state of becoming a sun. So about the "being a sun" inside of Earth being against the laws of physics: Well, the laws of physics are sometimes subject to change. That a planets core is magma is a theory the way I see it. Yes, volcanoes sprout lava, but if we had a sun inside our planet, then wouldnt it be logical that it melts stone and whatever else there is in the Earth. If there is a world inside Earth, it might not be defying the laws of physics. It just defies how we believe planets to be. The way I see it, the "sun" they have in an underground world, would simply be a sun below them, instead of above them, unless they are beings with a very different molecular structure than ours... f.ex. gas based, but I think that would defy the laws of physics... I guess. We are still learning what makes the world turn, and what drives the Universe, as I see it. What we now know is vast, but what is left to learn is probably...vaster :p

[graflok]

I actually agree on this. I believe the myth of the hollow earth originate from old tales of existing vast cave systems, but the hollow earth theory is about the entire surface is nothing but a shell with holes at each pole and a sun inside.


That is only one of the scenarios described. There are several. You should at least read up on a
subject before condemning it.

[kblood]

I have to agree with Graflock. As far as I know, and have been told, it is likely that there are or at least have been underground (a?) civilisation/s. Maybe during that great flood the bible mentions, if that really happened, with Noah saving alot of people on his yacht and all that :)

[chandrakavi]

Umbrex, it sounds like you are "educated"! I am trying to forget everything I learned in "school"!:eek:

Didn't scientists say that matter does not exist?
and Umbrex you are asking for "rock solid arguments about the Hollow earth?":rolleyes:

[joe 90]

If the Earth has an 800 mile deep solid crust with a hollow interior where does the lava come from when a volcano erupts?

[chandrakavi]

If the Earth has an 800 mile deep solid crust with a hollow interior where does the lava come from when a volcano erupts?

That lava most surely comes from the hard crust, probably at 400
miles at the surface and goes out through volcanos.

Another question: why are icebergs made of fresh water when the only water at the poles ,according to the conventional view, is sea water?

[reptilianshapeshifter]

That lava most surely comes from the hard crust, probably at 400
miles at the surface and goes out through volcanos.

Another question: why are icebergs made of fresh water when the only water at the poles ,according to the conventional view, is sea water?

Probably got a big water distiller in the hollow earth :D

[kblood]

If the Earth has an 800 mile deep solid crust with a hollow interior where does the lava come from when a volcano erupts?

We have been told that the center of the earth is magma, but can we prove or disprove it in any way? So the question you should be asking is: "What is magma?"... melted rocks and so on as far as I know. Its not some special substance that only occours in the center of a planet, you could of course also make magma in a lab using whatever makes up magma and applying alot of heat.

Im not believing in either theory about how a planet is to exists, untill we get some nice pictures and all that from a planet like ours that cracks in two. Maybe we will get a chance to see in 2012? ;)

[joe 90]

No my question is this

If the Earth has a 800 mile thick crust with a hollow interior where does the lava come from when a volcano erupts?

[kblood]

I thought you realised that from what I just wrote... It is what I have tried explaining in two posts already. I guess it needs another go:

If there is a "sun" in the center of the planet, and the planet is hollow, the that sun will have solar flares, just like our sun has. These would probably turn out as volcanoes on our side of the planet. The magma is then the earths surface being melted by this solar flare or sun spot, and then the heat makes it come to our surface of the planet and becomes a volcano or at least a volcano eruptions.

If you read geography books, our current "schooled" beliefs of how our planet is, is that the planet got big epic "plates" making up what holds our continents. These plates arent completely stable, so the current theory of a volcanic eruption is that two of these plates float towards each other, and then the magma they float upon is pushed up through our surface. Any rocks and dirt between these plates are also pushed up and makes up for mountains, and maybe these plates part and they make canyons.
They must be the size of a country and in som cases larger If you look on a world map or something like that, and see mountain ranges, they are probly between two of these gigantic plates. These plates also cause earthquakes.

So to sum up the current acknowledged theory with this hollow earth one:
Current belief is that these plates float on manga, but for the hollow earth theory to be true, or at least some of the hollow earth theories, then these plates might not be floating on magma... they might instead be floating on gasses of hot air or something. Therefore a possible atmosphere inside earth would be very different from ours. I do see it as an unlikely theory, but that doesnt invalidate it altogether in my point of view. That the earth was flat probably felt much more logical back in the dark ages than it being a ball of dirt... so who is to say we still havent found all the answers about our planet? I certainly believe there are still many secrets or revelations hidden and unknown to us.

[truthseeker1980]

I don't know why some of the people on here find this theory so hard to accept, to be honest it's NOT a conspiracy, up until the 1920's most governments funded scientists research into the subject and US PATENTS were passed about the theory around that time.

That to me is more than enough evidence that it probably is hollow. If it's not considered as a conspiracy by the mainstream scientists in this field, just because you cant get your head around the theory behind it, doesn't mean it's not true.

They haven't publically patented UFO theories or technologies have they, but more people believe that theory.

[bennett211085]

At the end of the day there is far more evidence to say that the earth is hollow, then there is to say it is not.

[kblood]

At the end of the day there is far more evidence to say that the earth is hollow, then there is to say it is not.

I think the evidence for either theory isnt conclusive enough. I havent looked much into it, but it seems to be mostly theory all of it, rather than any hard facts that proves any of the theories to be true.

[chandrakavi]

Probably got a big water distiller in the hollow earth :D



"There are fresh water rivers which flow out of of the Inner Earth
carrying vegetation and pollen, freezes, so forming the fresh water icebergs in an area of apparently only salt water.. There are books that reveal the detailed evidence, I can recommend THE HOLLOW EARTH by Dr. Raymond Bernard."-- David Icke, THE BIGGEST SECRET

[kblood]

"There are fresh water rivers which flow out of of the Inner Earth
carrying vegetation and pollen, freezes, so forming the fresh water icebergs in an area of apparently only salt water.. There are books that reveal the detailed evidence, I can recommend THE HOLLOW EARTH by Dr. Raymond Bernard."-- David Icke, THE BIGGEST SECRET

Good point :) Had forgotten that part about the biggest secret... So far the biggest secret is the publication from David Icke I like the best... only at chapter 9 so far though.

[ms_moon]

Well I never! It all seems so logical to me now...

When you think of Matter, when you think of how we are all formed into existence, you will realise we are all hollow. Your chair is hollow. Your floor is hollow. These things are all hollow because the things that make them up (Atoms) are in fact hollow and the things inside them are hollow and so forth... So if we were to imagine that the Earth was one big giant Atom with a Centre of Gravity that pushed OUTWARDS while the Sun forces Gravity INWARDS- we would essentially have the Earth as it is now wouldn't we?

Therefore it is more likely and more belieavable that there actually IS a Sun floating in the centre of our Earth, acting in complete synchronicity with the EXTERNAL Sun we see in Space. This would mean that the increasing Solar flares of our Space Sun will directly coincide with the Solar Flares of our Earth Sun (and also the Suns within us as Human Beings...) creating GREAT changes.

We may be heading for many Volcanoes (solar Flares) and Earthquakes (Lightning) which would explain the drastic weather systems going on at the moment and it would also explain why people have also come to believe that we live in an Electric Universe.

We are waking up to these 'knowing' beliefs, these 'remembering' times and understanding that we are in the midst of the most wonderful time ever known to man!!

RIDE THE LIGHTWAVES!!!

Lots of Love,

You
xxx

[nickatnoon61]

At the end of the day there is far more evidence to say that the earth is hollow, then there is to say it is not.
Thanx Bennet,the "evidence" I use, works for me, almost 100%! It saves me a lot of "LEG-WORK". If it is mainstream, or I learned it in "school", it is BS!:eek: So the opposite is true!:)

[chandrakavi]

Thanx Bennet,the "evidence" I use, works for me, almost 100%! It saves me a lot of "LEG-WORK". If it is mainstream, or I learned it in "school", it is BS!:eek: So the opposite is true!:)

HA HA HA, saves a lot of Matrix brainwashing again doesn't it?:D:D:o

[hagbard_celine]

The inside of the earth is extremely hot. The planet is in fact cooling. This heat makes the surface temperature possible. If we didn't have it we would have a cold surface like some other planets in our solar system which do not have a "living" core.

So u can have 2 scenarios:

a) the earth is solid with a hot core of magma

or

b) the earth is hollow with a sun hovering inside of it, defying all laws of physics.

Conclusion: Scenario b is completely preposterous.

Only if you take it as read that the known or conventionally-accepted laws of physics are correct.

How do we know that the other planets have dead cores (If they even have solid cores at all!)? We base this on them having no surface geologic activity: no volcanoes, no tectonic movement. Isn't that a bit of an assumption?

How do we know that the Earth's interior, whether solid or not, is cooling? The gas giants give off far more heat than they receive from the sun. This is supposed to be residual heat from the formation of the solar system. But the solar system is incredibly old. Wouldn't they have cooled by now if that were the case?

[hagbard_celine]

It's

Dude. Ur arguing for a fucking hollow earth, You are using UFO's, Bigfoot and the Loch-Ness monster to back your argument. Get real. It's like smashing your head into a brick wall..



He's merely using an analogy. He's saying that the SS model of the Earth is based on convention rather than observation. I think he's correct.

[hagbard_celine]

I just found this interesing term: Woo woo:

"Woo-woo" is shorthand for the kind of conspiracy theorist/against the mainstream proponent that will believe about any damn thing. Holographic planes, Face on Mars, alien bases on the Moon; you name it


You've only just found the term "Woo-woo"? Get away! James Randi has been using it for years! I think he may have even coined it.

When someone calls me that I take it as a compliment. If you want to insult me then try calling me a Skeptic.

[hagbard_celine]

No my question is this

If the Earth has a 800 mile thick crust with a hollow interior where does the lava come from when a volcano erupts?

Both Chandrakavi and I have already answered this. You don't need the SS model to explain high temperatures underground. Even mainstream geology accpets this.

It gets hot underground at quite shallow depths. Down a deep mine, for example, they need a massive cooling system to stop the miners getting heatstroke. The deepest mines are mere scratches in the crust. Go down further and you find temperature hot enough to melt rock.

[hagbard_celine]

At the end of the day there is far more evidence to say that the earth is hollow, then there is to say it is not.

The "evidence" that supports the SS model is actually just convention. The SS model is the current accepted paradigm, that's all. A few centuries ago the paradigm was different; it was that the Earth was a flat sheet of rock. This pardigm was taught at schools and universites and matched the prevailing geological and astronomical views at the time. People knew that the Earth had to be flat because if it was a sphere we'd fall off it!

People say that the Hollow Eath cannot be true because there are no ploar orifices. But the poles of our planet are uninhabited and the number of people who've visted them wouldn't fill a small town. Visitors to the poles are tightly controlled by the military and travelling around is difficult because of the climate and lack of roads etc.

Anyone who defies the SS model today is treated the same way as Columbus, Magellan and all the others who defied the flat Earth model 700 years ago. Look at what they did to Admiral Byrd: Slapped him in a straitjacket and padded cell!

We laugh at the flat Earth theorists of the pre-Renaissance... as future generations will laugh at the SS-theorists of today!:cool:

[chandrakavi]

Anymore updates, and news on Hollow Earth?
Will there be a voyage there?
who will be going?

[hagbard_celine]

Anymore updates, and news on Hollow Earth?
Will there be a voyage there?
who will be going?

Good bloody question!:D

I know now that Brooks Agnew has taken over as director after the last bloke died. They might well start advertizing a new expedition again. Only this will be the third! As far as I know no expedition has even departed, let alone returned to report on the mission.

Here's an illustrated C2C programme with Agnew:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70JhlnRmpM&mode=related&search=

[clint web]

Be careful what you believe. Sounds like nonsense.

[hagbard_celine]

Be careful what you believe. Sounds like nonsense.

The expedition certainly seems to be! but the Hollow Earth theory in general is worth taking seriously.

[adzboarder]

Yeah Umbrex PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that the Earth is solid.

Open your mind my friend rather than just BS-ing everything.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Yeah Umbrex PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that the Earth is solid.

Open your mind my friend rather than just BS-ing everything.

I think the problem is that you need to believe in conspiracy to be able to believe in the version of the world as you see it. If you don't believe in motive to hide the fact that the earth is hollow then why wouldn't scientists genuinely consider it. People give credence to the fact that 200-300 years ago people believed in this and that and now we laugh at it but in the last 50 years so much progress and information sharing has been made available that the curve on the graph is not proportional to use that as an argument anymore. David Icke has ended up where he is because he keeps needing to go backwards to understand the information he has discovered and the further he goes back the more extreme the explanations are the credibility of that information becomes more and more stretched. But the problem is you need to believe in more and more fantastic events to tie in the events you really want to know about.

[adzboarder]

I agree Reptilian, it's information overload now but for the folks with their minds set on auto-pilot they aren't getting the RIGHT information just mindless crap.

Great avatar btw!

I'd love to go and find out about the hollow earth. I guess I could just start digging?

[hagbard_celine]

I'd love to go and find out about the hollow earth. I guess I could just start digging?

Ah! So you see, you do take the theory seriously!;):D

[adzboarder]

Totally hagbard, i'm open to almost anything!

[hagbard_celine]

Totally hagbard, i'm open to almost anything!


OK, but forget the spade. There are rumoured to be tunnels linking the inner and outer Earth. I doubt this because to travel through the shell you'd firstly have gravity problems; in the heart of the shell the gravitational forces would cancel eachother out and you'd be weightless. Then there's the high temperatures and pressure to contend with. The tunnel would have to be stronger than any deep-diving submarine and fireproof!

[nikolaijovanovic]

Hiya. My first post here. And greetings form the outside of the asylum. (And Mr C good day to you if you are reading;))

A hollow earth:D?? Are you for real? Please tell me you are making this up before my cerebellum spontaniously combusts.

I've been laughing for days about this one. What happens to the solar radiation from the internal sun? Why does gravity act differently inside and outside (i.e attracts outside and centrifugal force inside!), what if there was a solar flare? (That close - you can kiss goodbye to 'Histories greatest conspiracies' on National Geographic, the electro magnetic radition would kill the sattelites, and us.) Have you any idea of how gravity relates to mass?

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C goHiya. My first post here. And greetings form the outside of the asylum. (And Mr od day to you if you are reading;))

A hollow earth:D?? Are you for real? Please tell me ..?
G-NJ

I thinks its A haloed earth

Ha´loed (hā´lōd)
a. 1. Surrounded with a halo; invested with an ideal glory; glorified.
Some haloed face bending over me.
- C. Bronté.
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‘Haloed ...http://www.bovees.com/Web%20Site%206-05/images/JustPeachy.jpg

[nikolaijovanovic]

[QUOTE=edit;144916]G-NJ

I thinks its A haloed earth

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Check the thread title. Although clearly deluded IMO, the thread author is very articulate so would be surprised if he confused the two.

Your thoughts? (you know mine before I start) Promise I won't 'troll' you. I am genuinely interested to hear alternative viewpoints (even if I do not believe in them, and consequently consider this particular theory utterly bonkers)

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Promise I won't 'troll' you. I am genuinely interested to hear alternative viewpoints
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The Russians start out as an enemy to the West but then eventually turn on the Asians and side with the Europeans.
It's in Nostrodamus, Albert Pikes Morals & dogma, & Revelations.

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Tell me about those green sheep.

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it will be tough,but i think that we'll get through

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Star Wars come home to roost. OP may be correct on this one.

It's time those interdimensional misfits are finally kicked off the blue marble. They've caused the world to become the mess it is --- amen!

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no more mexicans
no more blacks
no more chinese
no more arabs
no more jews
no more japs
no more gypsies
it will be tough,but i think that we'll get through

Quoting: Lucian Ilea



What does this mean? We Europeans get kicked off of the planet or we will be the only ones left?

[hagbard_celine]

Hiya. My first post here. And greetings form the outside of the asylum. (And Mr C good day to you if you are reading;))

A hollow earth:D?? Are you for real? Please tell me you are making this up before my cerebellum spontaniously combusts.

I've been laughing for days about this one. What happens to the solar radiation from the internal sun? Why does gravity act differently inside and outside (i.e attracts outside and centrifugal force inside!), what if there was a solar flare? (That close - you can kiss goodbye to 'Histories greatest conspiracies' on National Geographic, the electro magnetic radition would kill the sattelites, and us.) Have you any idea of how gravity relates to mass?

It's impossible to know the answers to these questions without knowing more about the nature of the innner world, its sun and atmosphere. Also we need to investigate the true nature of gravity, which has anomalies even leaving out the Hollow Earth theory! But the first step is to stop laughing. If the idea just makes you laugh then I'm afraid you'll not be in a position to listen to the answers even if they're provided.

May I ask why the idea made you laugh? Is it because it is inhearantly funny, or that the idea is just so removed from the official view of reality.

[nikolaijovanovic]

May I ask why the idea made you laugh? Is it because it is inhearantly funny, or that the idea is just so removed from the official view of reality.

Hello and good evening. I laughed because the view (notwithstanding differences of opinion) is quite simply preposterous. I accept fully that views are shaped by hegemony. However, to suppose that the earth is hollow is not only scientifically ridiculous, but also flys in the face of intuitive views. The points i raised about gravity, mass , sunspots etc are important and cannot be dismissed on the grounds of 'we don't know what the the hollow earth:D is like'. (I paraphrase 'cos I can't be arsed trawling through the posts)

If you do not know what is like how can you be so certain?

I like you BTW hagbard, I think you are wrong, but ce la vie. But come on, you must be on a wind up with this. What is wrong with accepting that the earth is a giant Iron Magnet? It is not important and neither are we.

[hagbard_celine]

Hello and good evening. I laughed because the view (notwithstanding differences of opinion) is quite simply preposterous. I accept fully that views are shaped by hegemony. However, to suppose that the earth is hollow is not only scientifically ridiculous, but also flys in the face of intuitive views. The points i raised about gravity, mass , sunspots etc are important and cannot be dismissed on the grounds of 'we don't know what the the hollow earth:D is like'. (I paraphrase 'cos I can't be arsed trawling through the posts)

If you do not know what is like how can you be so certain?

I like you BTW hagbard, I think you are wrong, but ce la vie. But come on, you must be on a wind up with this. What is wrong with accepting that the earth is a giant Iron Magnet? It is not important and neither are we.

OK, mate, I'll tell you what I think as best I can. I'm glad you don't dislike me for disagreeing with you; it's a sign of a mature mind.:)

Firstly the idea that the Earth is a solid sphere (SS model for short), is based on scientific oberservations like seismic scans and explorer's reports. But what if these are wrong? The scientific norm used to support the flat Earth model, but that was proved wrong by Magellan and Columbus when they circumnavigated the globe. But I'm not suggesting the Earth is not round in shape, I'm saying it's not a solid sphere. It could be a spheroid torus; this is a hollow imperfect sphere-like with holes at both poles, a bit like a scooped out Halloween pumpkin with both ends cut off. Now how does the evidence for this match up to the evidence for the SS model?

I've already stated that the Earth's poles are uninhabited and have been seen by comparatively few people. The points of the surface we think of as the "poles" were only reached in 1909 and Antarctica was not landed on until 1858. The number of people who've actually travelled deep into these regions os less than 100,000; barely enough to fill an average town! And some explorers tell stories that contradict the SS model. One of the most prominent is the aviator Admiral Richard Byrd.

(I'll post more on this subject later)

[truthseeker1980]

Hello and good evening. I laughed because the view (notwithstanding differences of opinion) is quite simply preposterous. I accept fully that views are shaped by hegemony. However, to suppose that the earth is hollow is not only scientifically ridiculous, but also flys in the face of intuitive views. The points i raised about gravity, mass , sunspots etc are important and cannot be dismissed on the grounds of 'we don't know what the the hollow earth:D is like'. (I paraphrase 'cos I can't be arsed trawling through the posts)

If you do not know what is like how can you be so certain?

I like you BTW hagbard, I think you are wrong, but ce la vie. But come on, you must be on a wind up with this. What is wrong with accepting that the earth is a giant Iron Magnet? It is not important and neither are we.

Welcome to the site.

But before you think he is wrong, why is the idea patented and was considered a credible scientific theory in the 1920's, so much so that the US government used to fund scientific projects about it. This all stopped in the 1920's though and since then people laugh about the theory. Evidence to me that maybe they found out it was and halted all further research into it.

[strider]

Anyone interested on the subject should look up david h lewis's books..

His works were destroyed, but the original manuscripts were found years later and re published..

[nikolaijovanovic]

Thanks for the welcome. Appreciated.

Welcome to the site.

But before you think he is wrong, why is the idea patented and was considered a credible scientific theory in the 1920's, so much so that the US government used to fund scientific projects about it. This all stopped in the 1920's though and since then people laugh about the theory. Evidence to me that maybe they found out it was and halted all further research into it.

Or they realised they were flogging a dead horse and decided to stop spending money on it. Lots of theoretical stuff is patented and funded until it is clear there is no point. Capitalism demands a return. So stuff developed by the military (for example) is given a civilian use. No conspiracy about it, if it does not make money it is useless.

Most theories are credible until one weighs up the evidence, so the fact that this one fell by the wayside is not surprising. Lombardo's theories of a 'criminal skull shape' were considered serious at the time for example.

[nikolaijovanovic]

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Eh?

What you talkin' 'bout Willis? ;)

[nikolaijovanovic]

OK, mate, I'll tell you what I think as best I can. I'm glad you don't dislike me for disagreeing with you; it's a sign of a mature mind.:)

Glad we agree! :)

(A)Firstly the idea that the Earth is a solid sphere (SS model for short), is based on scientific oberservations like seismic scans and explorer's reports. But what if these are wrong? (B)The scientific norm used to support the flat Earth model, but that was proved wrong by Magellan and Columbus when they circumnavigated the globe.

(a) And also the fact that gravity depends upon Mass. Gravity decreases with less Mass. So the hollow earth theory means we would all float (or rather we would not be here at all because gravity keeps the atnosphere here). However inside the earth, Gravity would increase. And life would be difficult down there.

(B)But the Egyptians And Greeks got there first. Two stakes in the ground, one in Alexandria and one in Tarsus. They measured the time difference when the sun came up and deduced by the difference the Earth was round.

But I'm not suggesting the Earth is not round in shape, I'm saying it's not a solid sphere. It could be a spheroid torus; this is a hollow imperfect sphere-like with holes at both poles, a bit like a scooped out Halloween pumpkin with both ends cut off. Now how does the evidence for this match up to the evidence for the SS model?

The Earth is not round, but that has no bearing on the theory. Being hollow does. Whether that means an Onion skin Earth or not still does not account for the the failure to explain gravity

I've already stated that the Earth's poles are uninhabited and have been seen by comparatively few people. The points of the surface we think of as the "poles" were only reached in 1909 and Antarctica was not landed on until 1858. The number of people who've actually travelled deep into these regions os less than 100,000; barely enough to fill an average town! And some explorers tell stories that contradict the SS model. One of the most prominent is the aviator Admiral Richard Byrd.

Not many people have been to St kilda either, but it does not make it an unknown wilderness. Was Byrd not committed for being off his rocker? Even assuming it was a conspiracy to shut him up, then why? What is the point?

(I'll post more on this subject later)

Have a good evening, and I look forward to wittering on (about our diametrically opposed viewpoints) at a later date.

[nikolaijovanovic]

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Where is everyone?

[kblood]

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:D

Not an easy subject, since it wether true or not is difficult to prove or disprove. There could be holes in the poles and they could have been hidden. Guess it is another of the "have to have seen it for yourself" issues to make the final proof.

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Where is everyone?Hmong Music: Shattered Echo'z - Peb Haiv - H-Project - YouTube
:cool:

[chandrakavi]

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Where is everyone?

More then doing it in internet,
we'll find out the truth,
when people journey into the hollow Earth,
then we will really know
who wants to talk with us
if ppeople are there....
when the SOLID SPHERE theory is not workable....

[adzboarder]

OK, but forget the spade. There are rumoured to be tunnels linking the inner and outer Earth. I doubt this because to travel through the shell you'd firstly have gravity problems; in the heart of the shell the gravitational forces would cancel eachother out and you'd be weightless. Then there's the high temperatures and pressure to contend with. The tunnel would have to be stronger than any deep-diving submarine and fireproof!

Thanks for the tips!

[hagbard_celine]

Sorry, I have answers for you all, but I'm too tired to talk tonight.

[grackle]

Both Chandrakavi and I have already answered this. You don't need the SS model to explain high temperatures underground. Even mainstream geology accpets this.

It gets hot underground at quite shallow depths. Down a deep mine, for example, they need a massive cooling system to stop the miners getting heatstroke. The deepest mines are mere scratches in the crust. Go down further and you find temperature hot enough to melt rock.True. The Earth is Hollow. I'm not sure about an empty-core but I'm certain it's hollow. When I was in school it was told the Earth's crust is 6 miles thick. I read a little while ago that it's ten and it keeps getting thicker. Maybe Hell IS under the earth.:confused:

[hagbard_celine]

Have a good evening, and I look forward to wittering on (about our diametrically opposed viewpoints) at a later date.


I'm back now. Sorry; I've been away at a conference for a few days.

I'm sure the experiement with the two sticks was real. The Earth is "round" in the sense that the Halloween pumpkin in my example is round, but this experiement does not prove that it is a solid sphere.

As for gravity: well even SS theorists talk about gravity behaving in ways never envisaged by Newton. There are gravitational bulges and troughs and even a hill in Cornwall where vehicles seem to freewheel uphill! We've a lot to learn about gravity. It doesn't back up the SS model any more than you can judge the weight of an Easter egg by hefting it in your hand. The egg is hollow, but if you don't know that you might conclude that chocolate is a far lighter material than it is.

St Kilda is small and remote, but it is accessible in ways that the poles are not. There is no sea ice around St Kilda, no freezing temperatures. There is a military base there (although I hear it's due to be decommissioned), but the inhabitants are hospitable and don't try to put people off travelling there.

[hagbard_celine]

More then doing it in internet,
we'll find out the truth,
when people journey into the hollow Earth,
then we will really know
who wants to talk with us
if ppeople are there....
when the SOLID SPHERE theory is not workable....

I'd love to see the lands of the inner Earth, but I doubt if that will be possible with the Illuminati in power. They're determinded not to let us go.

[hagbard_celine]

Someone asked me about the inner sun. Why doesn't it overheat the land and irradiate it?

It could be that the inner sun is not a star in the same way the outer one is. Actually it couldn't be. To be a star small enough to fit inside the Earth it would have to be a neutron star. Then its gravity would be so poweful it would suck the whole planet in anyway!

[oneofmany]

I found this article on the nexus website about hidden caverns in Equador and Peru.

The Quest For The Metal Library

A system of tunnels and caves beneath Ecuador and Peru is reputed to hold an ancient treasure-house of artefacts including two libraries, one containing inscribed metal books and the other storing tablets of crystal.


It's not what you know, but who you know. In 1973, Erich von Däniken, at the height of his fame following the success of Chariots of the Gods?, claimed that he had entered into a gigantic subterranean tunnel system in Ecuador, which he was told spanned the length of the continent—surely evidence that our ancestors were highly advanced, if not extraterrestrial? The structure was believed to house a library in which books were made out of metal—this in an area where today there is nothing but "primitive" Indian tribes with no written language. Evidence of a lost civilisation? It was a major claim, and it did not go unchallenged.
The story centred around Janos "Juan" Moricz, an aristocratic Argentinian-Hungarian entrepreneur who claimed that he had discovered a series of tunnels in Ecuador that contained a "Metal Library". In a signed affidavit dated 8 July 1969, he spoke about his meeting with the Ecuadorian president, where he received a concession that allowed him total control over this discovery—provided he could produce photographic evidence and an independent witness that corroborated the discovery of the underground network. Newspapers reported on the expedition that Moricz had organised.
In 1972, Moricz met with von Däniken and took him to a secret side-entrance through which they could enter into a large hall within the labyrinth. Apparently von Däniken never got to see the library itself, just the tunnel system. Von Däniken included the event in his book The Gold of the Gods:
"The passages all form perfect right angles. Sometimes they are narrow, sometimes wide. The walls are smooth and often seem to be polished. The ceilings are flat and at times look as if they were covered with a kind of glaze… My doubts about the existence of the underground tunnels vanished as if by magic and I felt tremendously happy. Moricz said that passages like those through which we were going extended for hundreds of miles under the soil of Ecuador and Peru."
However, one of the world's potentially biggest discoveries soon turned sour. Journalists from the German publications Der Spiegel and Stern interviewed Moricz, who now denied ever having been in the cave with von Däniken. It undermined von Däniken's credibility (though some would argue he had none to begin with), branding him a liar.
For many, the incident proved that von Däniken was a fabricator of lies—a much more damaging assertion than being known to make outlandish claims that the gods were ancient astronauts. No one pointed out that if von Däniken had been lying, he would not have left such an easy trail to Moricz. He could have claimed that he could not reveal his source, and Der Spiegel and Stern would have been none the wiser. Instead, it seemed that something was amiss with Moricz, who had landed von Däniken in an international controversy from which his career never really recovered.
There are several oddities with this story. First, Moricz merely denied having taken von Däniken there; the existence of the network itself he did not deny. In Der Spiegel, 19 March 1973, we can read:
Der Spiegel: "How did you discover the [metal] library?"
Moricz: "Somebody took me there."
Der Spiegel: "Who was this guide?"
Moricz: "I can't tell you."
Moricz further stated that the library was guarded by a tribe.
So, in short, Moricz claimed to von Däniken that he had discovered caves, and he showed these to him. Now he claimed to have seen the caves, led there by a guide whom he could not identify, but denied having taken von Däniken there.
The logical conclusion seemed to be that Moricz had shown something to von Däniken, was now caught by the fact that everyone seemed to know that he had done so, and had to make sure that whoever had shown him did not bear any grudges against Moricz, no doubt because Moricz himself would most likely have been asked not to show anyone else the site.

A small step for Armstrong, a major step for mankind
By 1975, the story had killed the career of one notorious author, so who would dare to tread in his footsteps? The answer: Neil Armstrong, the first man on the Moon—or rather, a Scotsman who wanted to change the precarious status quo in which the Metal Library controversy had found itself.
Stanley ("Stan") Hall had read von Däniken's book and subsequently befriended Moricz. The latter confirmed that he had met von Däniken in 1972 and had taken the Swiss author from Guayaquil to Cuenca, where they met Padre Carlos Crespi and saw his collection of enigmatic artefacts. There was insufficient time to take von Däniken to the "true location", so instead they decided to show him a small cave some 30 minutes from Cuenca, claiming it connected to the network. This seemed to clear up the von Däniken–Moricz controversy, but not the Metal Library itself.
Where was it? Moricz's 1969 expedition had ventured into the Cueva de los Tayos, which Moricz identified as the cave that led into the Metal Library. But in 1969, no Metal Library had been uncovered. So Hall decided to organise an Ecuadorian–British expedition that would explore the Cueva de los Tayos; it would be a purely scientific expedition.
I had met Stan Hall a few times over the course of a decade, without knowing that the person I was speaking to was Stan Hall. He was a member of the audience at the Scottish Saunière Society conferences. Stan blends into the background and is unlikely, if not unwilling, to stand out. It's by pure accident that I found out I knew Stan Hall—the Stan Hall, who furthermore lives nearby… It provided me with an opportunity to get a personal perspective on this story, and one I was willing to take with both hands.
Originally set up to take place in 1977, the 1976 expedition occurred at a time when von Däniken's public profile had been damaged by Moricz—and Hall was apparently about to endorse Moricz's claim. It left von Däniken feeling wary about Hall for more than 20 years, until both men realised they were kindred spirits rather than mortal enemies.
Why did he do it? Hall wanted to create a framework: if there was indeed a Metal Library of a lost civilisation, the first step would be to map the site. That was the main and only goal of the expedition; there was no treasure-seeking. Hall used his professional expertise to create a three-week exploration of this famous cave: a joint venture of the British and Ecuadorian armies, supported by a team of geologists, botanists and other specialists.
How did Neil Armstrong get involved?
"The expedition needed an honorary figurehead," Stan Hall said. "The name of Prince Charles, who had recently received a degree in archaeology, was proposed, but I knew Neil Armstrong had Scottish connections. My mother was an Armstrong and via another Armstrong in Langholm, where Neil Armstrong had been made an honorary citizen, I made contact. Months later, I got a reply that Neil Armstrong was more than willing to join us on this mission. It's when the expedition suddenly became a life's challenge."
On 3 August 1976, when the expedition was winding down, Armstrong entered the tunnel system. Even though they were not looking for it, the team members did not stumble upon a Metal Library. Had they done so, the discovery would have altered mankind's perspective on our history and origins. For Amstrong, it could have been his second great contribution to mankind's exploration. However, the team did catalogue 400 new plant species as well as a burial chamber inside the cave, in which a seated body was found. The chamber was later dated to 1500 BC, and it was believed that at the time of the summer solstice the sun illuminated this tomb.
The story had gone from ancient astronauts to astronaut par excellence, but what would be the next step?
The third man
Everyone and everything had revolved around Juan Moricz, but in retrospect he was the wrong centre of the universe. From 1969 until 1991, the year he died, the Metal Library eluded him. So what next?
That Moricz was not the originator of the story was clear, as von Däniken himself noted on page 53 of his book. In the 1973 interview with Der Spiegel, Moricz confirmed that an unnamed person had shown him the cave. But who was this person?
After Moricz died, Hall decided to track down this "third man", who had disappeared into the shadows. Hall had a name—Petronio Jaramillo—but nothing more.
"Moricz died in February 1991," said Hall. "I had a name and a telephone directory. But there were an awful lot of Jaramillos in Quito. Finally, I found him—or, rather, his mother. It was September 1991 when she gave me the phone number of her son. I phoned him. He told me that it had taken 16 years before our paths crossed. He was willing to meet me, and stated that he needed three days to fill me in."
Jaramillo confirmed that when Moricz arrived in Guayaquil in 1964, he teamed up with lawyer Dr Gerardo Peña Matheus. Moricz told Matheus of his theory about how Hungarian people have been at the root of practically every civilisation. Through acquaintances, Andres Fernandez-Salvador Zaldumbide and Alfredo Moebius, Moricz met Jaramillo in Moebius's house, and from there Moricz ran with Jaramillo's story. Hall was annoyed with himself, for various people had tried to direct him towards Jaramillo as early as 1975, but it took until 1991 before the two met.
Jaramillo and Hall realised that had it not been for Moricz, who focused attention on the Cueva de los Tayos (which was not the actual location of the library), the 1976 expedition could have resulted in the discovery of the century—and what a track record for Armstrong it would have been! But it's a two-edge sword because, had it not been for Moricz, the story would never have come about like this. And today, Hall's biggest desire—if he were able to turn back time—is to sit down at one table with both Moricz and Jaramillo. At the same time, he realises that Moricz had been intent from the beginning that the Metal Library would be his legacy. When Hall showed Moricz a manuscript about the 1976 expedition, Moricz point-blank refused to return it. It ended their friendship, but Hall never understood why until 1991, when he realised that the manuscript mentioned Jaramillo. It was a name Moricz did not want to see published—as he had confirmed in the 1973 German newspaper interview. Moricz was incredibly stubborn and, equally, incredibly loyal, but obviously was the wrong man and was sadly mistaken if he thought he could ever pull off the discovery of the century.
Subterranean treasures
Jaramillo and Hall became friends, though both agreed Jaramillo would not prematurely reveal the location of the site. Still, he was willing to talk in detail about its contents and any other aspect Hall wanted to discuss.
From Jaramillo, Hall was able to learn the true story of the Tayos library—which was not in the Cueva de los Tayos at all! Jaramillo stated that he had entered the library in 1946, when he was 17 years old. He was shown it by an uncle, whose name has gone unrecorded but who was known as "Blanquito Pelado" (a loving description of the man's appearance). He was apparently on friendly terms with the local Shuar population, who invited him to see a secret in gratitude for the kindness and goodness he had shown towards the tribe.
Jaramillo entered the system at least once after that. On that occasion, he saw a library consisting of thousands of large, metal books stacked on shelves, each with an average weight of about 20 kilograms, each page impressed from one side with ideographs, geometric designs and written inscriptions. There was a second library, consisting of small, hard, smooth, translucent—what seemed to be crystal—tablets, grooved with parallel encrusted channels, stacked on sloping shelves of trestled units covered in gold leaf. There were zoomorphic and human statues (some on heavy column plinths), metal bars of different shapes, as well as sealed "doors"—possibly tombs—covered in mixtures of coloured, semi-precious stones. There was a large sarcophagus, sculpted from hard, translucent material, containing the gold-leafed skeleton of a large human being. In short, an incredible treasure, stored away as if hidden in preparation for some upcoming disaster.
On one occasion, Jaramillo took down seven books from the shelves to study them, but their weight prevented him from replacing them. It also meant that they were too heavy to remove from the library and reveal to the world. Jaramillo never produced any physical evidence for his claims, which may explain why he wanted to live in the shadows of this story.
Hall did ask him why he never took photographs. "He said that it would not prove anything." Other discoveries, such as the infamous Burrows Cave in the United States, prove that seeing actually isn't believing. Still, Jaramillo stated that he had left his initials in these seven books so that, if the library were ever discovered, it could be proved that it was he who had entered it.

Expedition plans and setbacks
Jaramillo and Hall wanted to combine forces to see whether the Metal Library could be opened; one knew the location, the other had a proven track record in organising proper expeditions. It would be the "expedition of occupation".
First, contact with various ambassadors and politicians was established; then the scientific community was brought in. The plan was for Jaramillo to lead the team to the site, where they would remain for a period of three to four months (during the dry season), cataloguing the contents of the site and guaranteeing that nothing went missing. Everything would remain in situ. A report with recommendations would be the only outcome of this expedition, which would involve UNESCO. But in 1995, Peruvian jets bombed an Ecuadorian military base and the project had its first setback.
In 1997, Hall used a major anthropology conference to promote the idea. Six anthropologists came to meet him, interested in what he was trying to accomplish. But that same year, Ecuador's political regime changed (in Hall's opinion, for the worse); Hall felt that his family could not live in the new political reality, so he moved back to Scotland with them. (Shortly afterwards, our paths would cross anonymously). This was nevertheless not a setback; planning for the expedition continued.
However, it was in 1998 that the expedition had a major setback. Hall received by telephone the sad news from the mother of Petronio Jaramillo that he had been assassinated. Was he murdered because of the plans that were afoot? Life in South America is cheap, as anyone who has visited or lived there knows. That day, Jaramillo was carrying a large amount of money on him. It was a street robbery, close to his home. Random violence stopped one of the world's biggest discoveries dead in its tracks.
It seems that fate only allowed for Jaramillo and Hall to meet, but never to work together—as if their combined efforts would break the spell of the cave and turn a dream into a reality.
Location, location, location
Moricz and Jaramillo had both died. Hall was in his sixties. Would he go it alone and claim the Metal Library for himself? Hall isn't a treasure-seeker. He emphasises that the region is a—if not the—veritable El Dorado. There is gold everywhere; the roads are quite literally paved with it. Even if the library books are made out of gold—though Jaramillo never spoke of gold but of "metal" (in fact, it seems copper was an ingredient, as Jaramillo had seen a green colour on the books)—there is more gold outside the library than inside. The presence of Moricz in the region was because he held extensive gold concessions; his interest in the library was not for its monetary value but for its historic importance.
Still, various treasure-hunters in the past had tried to open the cave. Count Pino Turolla made contact with Jaramillo in the 1960s through the same channels that later brought Moricz to him. Turolla was obsessed with Cayce's Hall of Records, and the Metal Library would be absolute proof of Cayce's prophecies. But Turolla's attitude and sense of organisation meant that the two never got along. Turolla pressed Jaramillo for details that the latter was unwilling to offer. So Turolla opted to search around the Cueva de los Tayos and came up empty-handed.
The most active Indiana Jones today is Stan Grist, who also knew Juan Moricz as well as his confidante, Zoltan Czellar, also a good friend of Hall. In 2005, Grist wrote: "As I write these words, I am in negotiations with the native Shuars who live near the Cueva de los Tayos, whose permission is necessary to enter and explore the area of the caves. I plan to mount an expedition in the coming months to search for the secret entrance to the cave from which the alleged metallic library can be accessed. Many people have entered the cave by the well-known, vertical entrance near the top of the mountain. However, I calculate that it is nearly impossible or is impossible to reach the metallic library through this well-known entrance. The secret entrance is only accessed from underwater!"
I confronted Hall with Grist's opinion. "Jaramillo always said that the entrance was under the river," he said. But that river is not near the Tayos Cave. That river is the Pastaza River.

Though Hall never learned the location from Petronio Jaramillo himself, after Jaramillo's death in May 1998 Hall organised a trip with Mario Petronio, Jaramillo's son, in which both combined their knowledge about the site. The trip had to be abandoned before "point zero" could be reached.
In May 2000, Hall returned.
"When we were preparing the expedition in the 1990s, whenever diving equipment was discussed as a necessity Petronio would say that even though it [the entrance to the cave] was under the river, it did not mean we would get wet."
Hall showed me aerial maps, pointing out a bend in the river that meets a fault line, which is known to open up into a cave system that runs for several miles. His suggestion is that the fault line—evidence of an ancient earthquake—opened up the underground network, which someone at some stage in the distant past then discovered and used as a place to install the metallic library. Hall had visited this location and deduced that it fits Jaramillo's description perfectly.
The need for cooperation
So, what happened next? Hall was 64 years old when he last travelled to the region; now he is seventy. When he was 68, he decided that more than likely he would not see this story come to its conclusion. However, he does not consider it to be his story, and he does not want to make the same mistake that Moricz did.
So, on 17 January 2005, Hall informed the Ecuadorian government of the location of the cave that fits Jaramillo's description, and which he hopes will become the focus of an expedition.
For anyone who is interested, the location is at 77º 47' 34" west and 1º 56' 00" south. GoogleEarth brings you very close and can satisfy any initial curiosity. But knowing the location doesn't mean it will be easy finding it.
Hall thinks it will take decades or a paradigm shift before people can work together in a manner that will result in a successful "occupation". He argues that the 1976 expedition only succeeded because a military regime was in power; "a democratic bureaucracy will swamp the expedition before it crosses any swampy river".
What is required is a sense of cooperation and openness. Too many people have tried to use the library as evidence for their own theory, whether involving aliens, globe-conquering Hungarians or Edgar Cayce and his Hall of Records. Perhaps that is why the missions were doomed. Perhaps we should just let the library speak for itself. The answers to questions as to who built it, where they came from, what they accomplished, etc. may all be found inside the structure itself. After all, it is a library. ∞
About the Author:
Philip Coppens has previously contributed four articles to NEXUS Magazine, the most recent on European Pyramids (see previous issue, vol. 13, no. 3). His website is http://www.philipcoppens.com (http://www.philipcoppens.com/), and he can be contacted by email at info@philipcoppens.com (info@philipcoppens.com).
Stanley Hall's website is http://www.goldlibrary.com (http://www.goldlibrary.com/), where his book Tayos Gold can be ordered. He can be contacted by email at tayosgold@aol.com (tayosgold@aol.com).
Both Coppens and Hall live just outside of Edinburgh, Scotland

source http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/MetalLibrary.html

[heart]

As for gravity: well even SS theorists talk about gravity behaving in ways never envisaged by Newton. There are gravitational bulges and troughs and even a hill in Cornwall where vehicles seem to freewheel uphill! We've a lot to learn about gravity.



The type of hill you talk of is simply an optical illusion and has absolutely nothing to do with gravity. Theres a few of them about didnt know about one in Cornwall though.

Gravity hill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[spacegurl]

A lot of people, even today in the West, project a spiritual and paranormal myth around something they don't fully understand. It's a very primitive trait.

[hagbard_celine]

The type of hill you talk of is simply an optical illusion and has absolutely nothing to do with gravity. Theres a few of them about didnt know about one in Cornwall though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_hill


Perhaps it's an illusion, perhaps it's something else. But there is still a lot we have to learn about gravity. There's supposed to be a gravitational anomaly in South America. There is even talk of negative gravity that repels instead of attracts!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

I found this article on the nexus website about hidden caverns in Equador and Peru.

The Quest For The Metal Library

A system of tunnels and caves beneath Ecuador and Peru is reputed to hold an ancient treasure-house of artefacts including two libraries, one containing inscribed metal books and the other storing tablets of crystal.


Both Coppens and Hall live just outside of Edinburgh, Scotland

source http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/MetalLibrary.html


That's an interesting story. Phillip Coppens has been on Radio Nexus talking about the Metal Library. I'm a bit worried about them revealling it's location though. It's in a very remote and inaccessible place (Like the polar regions!), but people could still get to it. Coppens even tells us where to look for it on Google Earth! The worry is that genuine people might not be able to get there before the kind of people who might steal or destroy the library. The Illuminati will pay good money to see this information on humanity's true heritage buried.

[heart]

Perhaps it's an illusion, perhaps it's something else. But there is still a lot we have to learn about gravity. There's supposed to be a gravitational anomaly in South America. There is even talk of negative gravity that repels instead of attracts!:eek:

No Perhaps about it.

[shodan]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AJAbRCEDma0

[pigpot]

What in God's name are you talking about!!!

You are still claiming the world is round but have no proof apart from the photographic evidence that NASA provide you with, that the earth is round and mathematical formulae that the Royal Society have given you since the days of Darwin. When were you all last taking pictures from the spacecraft proving western civilisation wrong and proving that the earth is round!!!OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Look at me, I believe everything I'm told!!!!!!!

Grow up believers!!!!

pigpot,

[kblood]

What in God's name are you talking about!!!

You are still claiming the world is round but have no proof apart from the photographic evidence that NASA provide you with, that the earth is round and mathematical formulae that the Royal Society have given you since the days of Darwin. When were you all last taking pictures from the spacecraft proving western civilisation wrong and proving that the earth is round!!!OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Look at me, I believe everything I'm told!!!!!!!

Grow up believers!!!!

pigpot,

You are way off track. It is not about wether our planet is round or not. Mixing sarcasm and questions makes it all the more difficult giving you an actual answer.

The discussion is about the Earth being "ball" shaped, but hollow. As far as I know, gravity has been proven to be that mass is attracted to mass. So if we are on the inside of a hollow planet, we would be held against the largest mass nearby, which is the inside of the "surface" on the inside of the hollow Earth. As far as I know it cannot really be natural light on the inside, so it might be an artificial sun on the inside of our planet.

[hagbard_celine]

You are way off track. It is not about wether our planet is round or not. Mixing sarcasm and questions makes it all the more difficult giving you an actual answer.

The discussion is about the Earth being "ball" shaped, but hollow. As far as I know, gravity has been proven to be that mass is attracted to mass. So if we are on the inside of a hollow planet, we would be held against the largest mass nearby, which is the inside of the "surface" on the inside of the hollow Earth. As far as I know it cannot really be natural light on the inside, so it might be an artificial sun on the inside of our planet.

It would have to be different to regular stars, yes. To be small enoguh to fit inside the Earth and still shine it would have to be a neutron star. It's gravity would be so powerful that it would suck the Earth in like a black hole. In fact neutron stars are very nearly black holes.

The thing is that SS theorists say that the Earth must be a solid sphere because it stands to reason and it's been proved by evidence, but what they really mean is that it is simply the model that they've learned since they were born. It's a paradigm, no more no less. I used to be an SS theorist myself for that very reason. The SS model was the one pictured in my school atlas.

[nikolaijovanovic]

It would have to be different to regular stars, yes. To be small enoguh to fit inside the Earth and still shine it would have to be a neutron star. It's gravity would be so powerful that it would suck the Earth in like a black hole. In fact neutron stars are very nearly black holes.

The thing is that SS theorists say that the Earth must be a solid sphere because it stands to reason and it's been proved by evidence, but what they really mean is that it is simply the model that they've learned since they were born. It's a paradigm, no more no less. I used to be an SS theorist myself for that very reason. The SS model was the one pictured in my school atlas.


Good evening, and I hope your conference went well. However, notwithstanding 'anomolies', what kind of star would be there then? (Unless they have borrowed David Hasselhoff's tanning lamp, and that would explain it all - Nothing would surprise me with these pesky burrowers).

It just does not stack up. Mass is attracted to gravity. Gravity is caused by mass. It is a fact as you find when making an ommelette and you drop the egg. Result? Wet, yolky foot. Less gravity and you would have time to catch it and whip up a nice merangue.

[hagbard_celine]

Good evening, and I hope your conference went well. However, notwithstanding 'anomolies', what kind of star would be there then? (Unless they have borrowed David Hasselhoff's tanning lamp, and that would explain it all - Nothing would surprise me with these pesky burrowers).

It just does not stack up. Mass is attracted to gravity. Gravity is caused by mass. It is a fact as you find when making an ommelette and you drop the egg. Result? Wet, yolky foot. Less gravity and you would have time to catch it and whip up a nice merangue.

The conference was great, thanks. I've written a report here: http://hpanwo.blogspot.com/2007/10/uk-probe-autumn-2007.html

If they borrowed anything to do with David Hasselhoff's tan then there'd be a big brown bottle hovering at the Earth's core!:D

Yes, mass is attracted to gravity, but then why is it that the gravitational field of the Earth, even according to SS theorists, is not unform? It could be that "negative gravity" is not confined to the outer raches of the universe and is closer to home. Also, the Earth is not just a mass, it's a rotating mass. Rotation produces a centrifugal effect, like when you stir a pan of soup. If you stir it fast enough you can actually expose the bottom of the pan. I know this effect alone is not strong enough, but when put together with negative gravity it might be. Maybe this is what the inner Earth is: the exposed cavity, like the exposed pan base.

[clint web]

Have I got this? Pigpot thinks the world is flat?

[hagbard_celine]

If they borrowed anything to do with David Hasselhoff's tan then there'd be a big brown bottle hovering at the Earth's core!:D
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Seriously though, I don't know. Whatever it is it can't be a star in the same way as we know it. Either that or astrophysics have got it wrong about stars!:o

[pigpot]

Yes, the world is flat Clint Web!!!

They knew this years ago and proved themselves wrong so as to allow us the opportunity to think that we were right. Then we became arrogant and beleived that what we "knew" WAS RIGHT and without question.

The reason we believed in this was that we "knew" everything but in fact we didn't and still don't and the only thing that we know currently is what they've gave us, for example the pictures of the moon and space, mathematics, language and pretty much everything.

Tell me when did you last go in to space via one of NASA's rockets and see for yourself that the earth was round.

I'm not saying the earth is round or otherwise bro' but ultimately I'm not starting to agree with their version because it fits a little better but not entirely with common sense.

If I did that I'd start agreeing with Darwinism and Creationism..

The Earth is shaped like a combination between a Twix and a packet of peanuts, dry roasted peanuts specifically!!!

There, that's the answer....... Yes that's it, I'm sure it is!!!

pigpot, or maybe I'm not

[umbrex]

this thread is so stupid it's funny :)

[castle]

Yes, the world is flat Clint Web!!!

They knew this years ago and proved themselves wrong so as to allow us the opportunity to think that we were right. Then we became arrogant and beleived that what we "knew" WAS RIGHT and without question.

The reason we believed in this was that we "knew" everything but in fact we didn't and still don't and the only thing that we know currently is what they've gave us, for example the pictures of the moon and space, mathematics, language and pretty much everything.

Tell me when did you last go in to space via one of NASA's rockets and see for yourself that the earth was round.

I'm not saying the earth is round or otherwise bro' but ultimately I'm not starting to agree with their version because it fits a little better but not entirely with common sense.

If I did that I'd start agreeing with Darwinism and Creationism..

The Earth is shaped like a combination between a Twix and a packet of peanuts, dry roasted peanuts specifically!!!

There, that's the answer....... Yes that's it, I'm sure it is!!!

pigpot, or maybe I'm not

Two sticks a couple of bits of ground and a little use of the gray matter and you can prove to yourself the Earth is not flat.

[clint web]

The Earth is shaped like a combination between a Twix and a packet of peanuts, dry roasted peanuts specifically!!!

Now I am definitely with you on that Pigot. :D

[hagbard_celine]

Yes, the world is flat Clint Web!!!

They knew this years ago and proved themselves wrong so as to allow us the opportunity to think that we were right. Then we became arrogant and beleived that what we "knew" WAS RIGHT and without question.

The reason we believed in this was that we "knew" everything but in fact we didn't and still don't and the only thing that we know currently is what they've gave us, for example the pictures of the moon and space, mathematics, language and pretty much everything.

Tell me when did you last go in to space via one of NASA's rockets and see for yourself that the earth was round.

I'm not saying the earth is round or otherwise bro' but ultimately I'm not starting to agree with their version because it fits a little better but not entirely with common sense.

If I did that I'd start agreeing with Darwinism and Creationism..

The Earth is shaped like a combination between a Twix and a packet of peanuts, dry roasted peanuts specifically!!!

There, that's the answer....... Yes that's it, I'm sure it is!!!

pigpot, or maybe I'm not

How many astronauts have flown over the poles? All the pics from space seem to be of the land and sea elsewhere. Of course you can see the polar regions on Google Earth, but we all know how truthful and accurate that is!

[pigpot]

How many astronauts have flown over the poles? All the pics from space seem to be of the land and sea elsewhere. Of course you can see the polar regions on Google Earth, but we all know how truthful and accurate that is!

What do you mean Hagbard? Specifically "land and sea elsewhere", I'm just unsure as to your point.

Many thanks, pigpot.......

[castle]

How many astronauts have flown over the poles? All the pics from space seem to be of the land and sea elsewhere. Of course you can see the polar regions on Google Earth, but we all know how truthful and accurate that is!

You do realise Earth orbits are very precisely worked out for wherever the vehicle is heading dont you? They dont just let it fall round the Earth any old how you have to be in a specific orbit to go to the moon or dock with the space station. Its not a case of lets go over the poles to take some nice pictures they have satellites to do that.


Hagbard you mentioned having seen things on the ground that are not on Google maps. Could you give details of any including addresses etc?

[hagbard_celine]

What do you mean Hagbard? Specifically "land and sea elsewhere", I'm just unsure as to your point.

Many thanks, pigpot.......

Sorry, I meant areas of the Earth's surface that are not the polar regions.

[hagbard_celine]

Hagbard you mentioned having seen things on the ground that are not on Google maps. Could you give details of any including addresses etc?

Sure: I was in Scotland a few years ago on a hiking trip and was walking up Loch Long on the firth of Clyde. I saw a huge building looming from behind the hillside and many more structures further up in the mountains. I kept looking at my Ordinance Survey Landranger map, but nothing was marked on it. Then I saw that it was a building on a pier, about 7 storeys high and 500-odd feet long, far to big to have been omitted from the map. I saw a Trident submarine sailing up towards it later on. I found out later that this is the place where they load Trident missiles aboard the submarines. It's not only absent from maps, it doesn't show on Google Earth either.

[hagbard_celine]

You do realise Earth orbits are very precisely worked out for wherever the vehicle is heading dont you? They dont just let it fall round the Earth any old how you have to be in a specific orbit to go to the moon or dock with the space station. Its not a case of lets go over the poles to take some nice pictures they have satellites to do that.


Yes I did realize that. Why?

[castle]

How many astronauts have flown over the poles? All the pics from space seem to be of the land and sea elsewhere. Of course you can see the polar regions on Google Earth, but we all know how truthful and accurate that is!


You do realise Earth orbits are very precisely worked out for wherever the vehicle is heading dont you? They dont just let it fall round the Earth any old how you have to be in a specific orbit to go to the moon or dock with the space station. Its not a case of lets go over the poles to take some nice pictures they have satellites to do that.

Yes I did realize that. Why?

Then why expect astronauts to have flown over the poles?

[castle]

Sure: I was in Scotland a few years ago on a hiking trip and was walking up Loch Long on the firth of Clyde. I saw a huge building looming from behind the hillside and many more structures further up in the mountains. I kept looking at my Ordinance Survey Landranger map, but nothing was marked on it. Then I saw that it was a building on a pier, about 7 storeys high and 500-odd feet long, far to big to have been omitted from the map. I saw a Trident submarine sailing up towards it later on. I found out later that this is the place where they load Trident missiles aboard the submarines. It's not only absent from maps, it doesn't show on Google Earth either.

What you saw if it was where they store the bombs was RNAD Coulport, eight miles from Faslane Trident Submarine Base, which is responsible for the storage, processing, maintenance and issue of the Trident Weapon System and the ammunitioning task for all submarine embarked weapons.


RNAD CoulportAddress:

1 of 1 placemarks in Untitled Map - 1k

The Royal Naval Armament Depot (RNAD) at Coulport in the Clyde Area consists of sixteen atom bomb storage bunkers.

[castle]

Bitch wouldn't let me edit

RNAD Coulport is on Google maps Google Earth and other maps. So is Faslane Trident Submarine Base. All complete with piers the lot. I cant see the point in omitting something from a map when directions descriptions history and everything else is on the net. You must have just missed it. Lets face it every CND protester knew about Faslane and Coulport.

[hagbard_celine]

Bitch wouldn't let me edit

RNAD Coulport is on Google maps Google Earth and other maps. So is Faslane Trident Submarine Base. All complete with piers the lot. I cant see the point in omitting something from a map when directions descriptions history and everything else is on the net. You must have just missed it. Lets face it every CND protester knew about Faslane and Coulport.

The object I saw on Google Earth is not the same as what I saw. Also on the peninsular between Loch Long and Gareloch there are many concrete bunkers where they store the Trident missles that are absent from the map and Google Earth. Half of Faslane is visible, but the other half is in the low-res zone. And where is it on here? http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm

[castle]

The object I saw on Google Earth is not the same as what I saw. Also on the peninsular between Loch Long and Gareloch there are many concrete bunkers where they store the Trident missles that are absent from the map and Google Earth. Half of Faslane is visible, but the other half is in the low-res zone. And where is it on here? http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm

I did think you would claim theres more or its not that or something along those lines. You said a building where the subs sail to thats Faslane and Coulport is where they store the ammo both are on Google maps and Earth. They are also in my AA book of Brittan.


No all of Faslane is visible only half of Coulport is. Faslane is the bit on the water with the piers Coulport is inland. You said the place where the subs are fitted out is not on the map it is.

There are sixteen bunkers at Coulport where they store the weapons.

Explaine something if you will, what would be the point of ommiting buildings that anyone with an interest in the subject knows are there what there for and there not even surposed to be secret? All the information about thoses sights you could want is on the net hell CND use to be on the gates every week its hardly hush hush.

[castle]

They are on the map and even have the information bubbles to tell you about them. Like i said hardly secret or hidden.

Also may i add what would be the point of omitting something from maps when there's all the pictures you could want on Google images, are the doctored also?

[castle]

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alan-turnbull/HMNB-faslane.jpg

http://www.banthebomb.org/archives/images/skelmor.gif

http://www.nukewatch.org.uk/photos/031204/coulport2.jpg

http://fme.sincerethought.org/gallery/d/15434-2/tri98_4.jpg

http://www.banthebomb.org/archives/images/clrim2.jpg

[hagbard_celine]

They are on the map and even have the information bubbles to tell you about them. Like i said hardly secret or hidden.

Also may i add what would be the point of omitting something from maps when there's all the pictures you could want on Google images, are the doctored also?

Did the get-a-map link I posted work?

[hagbard_celine]

No all of Faslane is visible only half of Coulport is. Faslane is the bit on the water with the piers Coulport is inland. You said the place where the subs are fitted out is not on the map it is.


Faslnae has piers yes. You can see the Vanguard Class SSBN's tied up in the inner basin as well as smaller SSN's (hunter killer nuclear-powered subs) of the Swiftsure class docked on the outer pier. But there is also a covered dock opposite Ardentinney on Loch Long. It is built on a pier too and it's entrance faces north. I have a photo of it which I'll post if I can find it (It was taken with a polaroid fun camera so I'll have to get a scanner).

[hagbard_celine]

They are on the map and even have the information bubbles to tell you about them. Like i said hardly secret or hidden.

Also may i add what would be the point of omitting something from maps when there's all the pictures you could want on Google images, are the doctored also?

Well the images are not complete either, are they? The cartographers and Google Earth may not compare all their notes, but both do carry out censorship of some of their information.

[hagbard_celine]

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alan-turnbull/HMNB-faslane.jpg

http://www.banthebomb.org/archives/images/skelmor.gif

http://www.nukewatch.org.uk/photos/031204/coulport2.jpg

http://fme.sincerethought.org/gallery/d/15434-2/tri98_4.jpg

http://www.banthebomb.org/archives/images/clrim2.jpg

None of these pics show the Coulport wharf. The covered dock you can see in the top picture is not the one at Coulport. There's a V-class bomber sub in the foreground so I'd guess it was Faslane, but I'm not sure.

[castle]

No just says finding map. Still like i said its in my AA map book and its not secret. For what reason do you say its missing off Google maps even though its not?

Hold on its working now and Faslane base is on there

The buildings and jetties match the pictures.

Put in Faslane and look at Faslane port and bay Theres your buildings.

[castle]

None of these pics show the Coulport wharf. The covered dock you can see in the top picture is not the one at Coulport. There's a V-class bomber sub in the foreground so I'd guess it was Faslane, but I'm not sure.

The covered dock is Faslane. I dint post every picture there's thousands I posted some of Coulport and some of Faslane.


Coulport bunkers

http://www.banthebomb.org/archives/images/clrim2.jpg

Coulport Explosives Handling Jetty
http://www.banthebomb.org/archives/images/ehj5.jpg

[castle]

Map of Coulport

http://www.tridentploughshares.org/IMG/jpg/mapc.jpg

[castle]

Typing Coulport nuclear in maps go to the a bubble zoom in ad move to the left you can see what you like cloud permitting

[castle]

Here's Coulport Explosives Handling Jetty that i found on on Google maps and uploaded.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1377/cjcr7.png

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[adimon]

What in God's name are you talking about!!!

You are still claiming the world is round but have no proof apart from the photographic evidence that NASA provide you with, that the earth is round and mathematical formulae that the Royal Society have given you since the days of Darwin. When were you all last taking pictures from the spacecraft proving western civilisation wrong and proving that the earth is round!!!OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Look at me, I believe everything I'm told!!!!!!!

Grow up believers!!!!

pigpot,

It would have to be different to regular stars, yes. To be small enoguh to fit inside the Earth and still shine it would have to be a neutron star. It's gravity would be so powerful that it would suck the Earth in like a black hole. In fact neutron stars are very nearly black holes.

The thing is that SS theorists say that the Earth must be a solid sphere because it stands to reason and it's been proved by evidence, but what they really mean is that it is simply the model that they've learned since they were born. It's a paradigm, no more no less. I used to be an SS theorist myself for that very reason. The SS model was the one pictured in my school atlas.

Actually, I think there are 3 or 4 Hollow Earth threads I've posted on, and on each one I ask what the Hollow Earth theorists make of the experiments using gigantic soundwaves sent into the earth and their findings that the earth is liquid inside?

[hagbard_celine]

Castle, this is even more suspicious! Firstly, the dock on Google Earth is much smaller than the real one; bear in mind it has to accommodate a 450 foot submarine. Secondly it's in the wrong place. The real dock lies to the east-north-east of Ardentinney, almost on the closest far shore of the loch. It's many hundreds of yards away from that piece of CGI on the Google Earth photo. It's actually where all the clouds are on the photo;). Why did they use a photo with so much cloud cover eh?

Wikipedia is not the fount of all knowlege that we've been led to think it is. Check out Phillip Coppens' article in the last Nexus. Much of Wikipedia is faked and censored.

Also, go to get-a-map:http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/. Click the pink button and zoom in on Coulport. Now, what do you see?:confused:

[hagbard_celine]

Actually, I think there are 3 or 4 Hollow Earth threads I've posted on, and on each one I ask what the Hollow Earth theorists make of the experiments using gigantic soundwaves sent into the earth and their findings that the earth is liquid inside?

There's a site I found that explains this; I'll try to find it. The seismic scans of the Earth are not a accurate as we've been led to believe and could be actually a case of the "Easter Egg Effect" I spoke of above.

[adimon]

There's a site I found that explains this; I'll try to find it. The seismic scans of the Earth are not a accurate as we've been led to believe and could be actually a case of the "Easter Egg Effect" I spoke of above.

I wish I could remember which source I had found on this, but it was going exactly against the 'easter egg' idea. I read up on Hollow Earth way before Icke mentioned it in his books.

I'm surprised you're so interested in it, to be honest. I don't mean that as an insult, or a presumption that I know anything about you. :)

I look forward to meeting you at the Gerrish talk in Shrewsbury. Are you still going?

[castle]

Castle, this is even more suspicious! Firstly, the dock on Google Earth is much smaller than the real one; bear in mind it has to accommodate a 450 foot submarine. Secondly it's in the wrong place. The real dock lies to the east-north-east of Ardentinney, almost on the closest far shore of the loch. It's many hundreds of yards away from that piece of CGI on the Google Earth photo. It's actually where all the clouds are on the photo;). Why did they use a photo with so much cloud cover eh?

Wikipedia is not the fount of all knowlege that we've been led to think it is. Check out Phillip Coppens' article in the last Nexus. Much of Wikipedia is faked and censored.

Also, go to get-a-map:http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/. Click the pink button and zoom in on Coulport. Now, what do you see?:confused:

You say the real dock lies East and north east of Ardentinney, well thats exactly where this is. The jetty where they load the weapons is NE of Ardentinney and the whole site itself starts to the east and even south east of Ardentinney. The bit East of Ardentinney and the jetty are all part of the same installation.

Take a look
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5514/mappz4.jpg
You say its to small to hold a 450 foot sub take a look it looks 600 feet to me.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/48/map2cb9.jpg
Besides this whats shown on Google corresponds to the hand drawn map i posted by the CND peace protestor.

[soap]

I have a big problem with the hollow earth theory. Lets face it, theres been quite a few people go to the south pole and NONE of them have ever brought back tales of a large hole leading to the inside of the earth there.

The hollow earth theory should be renamened "the particularly stupid theory".

[castle]

Let me ask you again Hagbard because you havent answered yet. Why would they go to all the trouble of moving something on google maps thats on AA maps is sign posted on the roads listed in the phone book and has umpteen websites about it with pics from both sides of the fence government and CND etc? Hell the place was on TV for weeks when they moved the weapons in, its about as secret as Blackpool tower. It was never was supposed to be secret its construction was in the media and discussed in public meetings and on TV etc. Sorry mate your barking up the wrong tree.
Dont you think trying to hide it after all these years would be futile? The way we remember things from the past are not always the way they were. When the locals told you its where they store the missiles it is its also where thy fit them its a big place so pointing at one building you might be told its where they store or where they arm because they do both there just in different buildings. They store missiles to the E of Ardentinney and fit them to the NE all the same base but i bet if you ask someone whats that over there and point to the any part of the base some will say it where they store missiles some will say its where they fit missiles regardless of which actual building your pointing at.

[hagbard_celine]

I wish I could remember which source I had found on this, but it was going exactly against the 'easter egg' idea. I read up on Hollow Earth way before Icke mentioned it in his books.

I'm surprised you're so interested in it, to be honest. I don't mean that as an insult, or a presumption that I know anything about you. :)

I look forward to meeting you at the Gerrish talk in Shrewsbury. Are you still going?

I'm a frayed knot! Bev has invited me along already, but I can't make it. let me know how you get on. I've seen the vid by Gerrish and it makes for explosive, revealling viewing. I'm not surprised to find that the Tavistock Institute is involved in it.

Back on topic: Actually I'm not 100% sure that the Earth is hollow, but the evidence seems compelling and worth looking in to. In my case I don't think it's necerssary to prove the SS theory wrong first to accept the hollow, holes-at-the-poles model. This is because the SS theory prevails more through paradigm-acceptance than investigation.

[hagbard_celine]

I have a big problem with the hollow earth theory. Lets face it, theres been quite a few people go to the south pole and NONE of them have ever brought back tales of a large hole leading to the inside of the earth there.


None? None at all? What aboput Admiral Byrd and Jan Lamprecht, Willis George Emmerson? People have brought back tales of holes-at-the-poles (and other weird things) in Antractica. I've spoken to one of them!The difference is that these people get written off as nuts while the SS theorists get fellowships and research grants.

[hagbard_celine]

You say the real dock lies East and north east of Ardentinney, well thats exactly where this is. The jetty where they load the weapons is NE of Ardentinney and the whole site itself starts to the east and even south east of Ardentinney. The bit East of Ardentinney and the jetty are all part of the same installation.

Besides this whats shown on Google corresponds to the hand drawn map i posted by the CND peace protestor.

No, the covered dock lies far more ENE. It's almost due east of Ardentinney in fact.

It's about 600 feet long, but the thing is it's not just got to have room for the submarine; it's got to have room for the gantries and cranes and all the equipment mecessary to laod the trident D5 missles aboard the boats. Each boat carries up to 16 of them! Another thing: the gangways connecting the dock to the mainland are very narrow; too narrow to carry a ballistic missile I'd say.

Did you try that thing with the map? Isn't it odd that the whole installation is missing from the Landranger scale map. It's second from the smallest scale. The fake layout is present on the smallest scale; the Google Earth and Ordinence Survey consors must compare notes. So you see ommission from maps does take place. The early explorers used to leave thing off their own maps for the purposes of political secrecy; maybe that still goes on today.

[hagbard_celine]

Let me ask you again Hagbard because you havent answered yet. Why would they go to all the trouble of moving something on google maps thats on AA maps is sign posted on the roads listed in the phone book and has umpteen websites about it with pics from both sides of the fence government and CND etc? Hell the place was on TV for weeks when they moved the weapons in, its about as secret as Blackpool tower. It was never was supposed to be secret its construction was in the media and discussed in public meetings and on TV etc. Sorry mate your barking up the wrong tree.
Dont you think trying to hide it after all these years would be futile? The way we remember things from the past are not always the way they were. When the locals told you its where they store the missiles it is its also where thy fit them its a big place so pointing at one building you might be told its where they store or where they arm because they do both there just in different buildings. They store missiles to the E of Ardentinney and fit them to the NE all the same base but i bet if you ask someone whats that over there and point to the any part of the base some will say it where they store missiles some will say its where they fit missiles regardless of which actual building your pointing at.

I don't know is the honest answer. But the point in relation to this thread's topic is not "why?" but "whether?" Do authroites who control cartography and satelite imagery lie to us? The answer is a definite "yes". Therefore SS theorist can't argue that their model is real on the ground of "But look! It's on all the maps!"

[castle]

So im supposed to disregard all the maps photographs hand drawn maps etc because of what you remember from back when i dont think so. Look as i have said its a large complex and pointing at any part of it and saying whats that you may well get its where they store or where they load the missile depending who you ask and regardless of which actual building you point at. The explosives jetty is where they load the missiles. Do i find it strange that is not on the map you provided well no not really as its on all the maps i did. My nearest neighbors house is not on google maps or google earth ooh whats he building in there?

Still you failed to address my question what would be the point. Everyone knows its there its not supposed to be a secret the show it on TV its sign posted and its on maps. What exactly would be the point of messing around with it on Google maps. You memory is playing tricks on you or some local Just used a general term to describe any building you point at on the base. Are you really surprised they would say that where they load the missiles no matter what you pointed at? Thats what the base does loads and stores the missiles. What would be the point of having the whole base on public view and moving one building on google maps?

When the government and the millitary want a secret base thats what they get its not sign posted its not on tv you dont get anti war protests on the gates week in week out you dont get tv coverage of missiles being deliverd and you dont get to hear read about it.

Have you scanned your pic yet?

[hagbard_celine]

So im supposed to disregard all the maps photographs hand drawn maps etc because of what you remember from back when i dont think so. Look as i have said its a large complex and pointing at any part of it and saying whats that you may well get its where they store or where they load the missile depending who you ask and regardless of which actual building you point at. The explosives jetty is where they load the missiles. Do i find it strange that is not on the map you provided well no not really as its on all the maps i did. My nearest neighbors house is not on google maps or google earth ooh whats he building in there?


I bet your neighbour's house is a lot smaller than the Explosives Handling Wharf.

You don't find it odd and worrying that maps are being published that are not a true and accurate record of the world as it is?:confused: It doesn't matter if the AA map is accurate of Collins is accurate; if just one map is in any way deliberately doctored or censored then it calls into question all of them.

If you look the Rand McNally map of the United States you'll see a lot of stuff is wiped off.

Map censorship goes back centuries and there's never been a time when it's officially ended. Vasco de Gama punished people with a whipping if they were caught dawing a map of the Portugese colonies of the west coast of India; trying to smuggle one out of the country could get you executd! Only official, govt-licensed cartogrphers were allowed to draw maps. Some of the early maps of the Far East contain innacuracies that had to be deliberate. Why shouldn't the same practice be going on today?

[hagbard_celine]

Still you failed to address my question what would be the point. Everyone knows its there its not supposed to be a secret the show it on TV its sign posted and its on maps. What exactly would be the point of messing around with it on Google maps. You memory is playing tricks on you or some local Just used a general term to describe any building you point at on the base. Are you really surprised they would say that where they load the missiles no matter what you pointed at? Thats what the base does loads and stores the missiles. What would be the point of having the whole base on public view and moving one building on google maps?

When the government and the millitary want a secret base thats what they get its not sign posted its not on tv you dont get anti war protests on the gates week in week out you dont get tv coverage of missiles being deliverd and you dont get to hear read about it.

Have you scanned your pic yet?

I've answered the question. I said I don't know why. The reason's why are worth looking into, but for the purposes of this thread's topic it's enough to just say that it does in fact happen whatever the reason.

I can't find the photo; it may be at my dad's house.

[castle]

You say the Explosives Handling Wharf is in the wrong place as you remember it. Well the maps and pictures from many different sources even CND protestors hand drawn maps all disagree with you.

Some maps have things on that others dont its not censorship but the quality and detail of the map. Some cost a quid some cost more. Ive showed you photographs TV images maps, hand drawn maps the lot that all show the Explosives Handling Wharf to be where Google maps and google earth show it to be. All you have provided is well when i was there it was somewhere else. In fact when you said where it was i even showed you it was in fact where you described then you changed your mind.

[hagbard_celine]

You say the Explosives Handling Wharf is in the wrong place as you remember it. Well the maps and pictures from many different sources even CND protestors hand drawn maps all disagree with you.

Some maps have things on that others dont its not censorship but the quality and detail of the map. Some cost a quid some cost more. Ive showed you photographs TV images maps, hand drawn maps the lot that all show the Explosives Handling Wharf to be where Google maps and google earth show it to be. All you have provided is well when i was there it was somewhere else. In fact when you said where it was i even showed you it was in fact where you described then you changed your mind.

No, I said that the wharf was almost due east of Ardentinney; undr the cloud covr on Google Earth. That's not changing my mind.

And what's gained in qulaity and detail when OS lave such a singificant feaure of the Landranger?

[castle]

I don't know is the honest answer. But the point in relation to this thread's topic is not "why?" but "whether?" Do authroites who control cartography and satelite imagery lie to us? The answer is a definite "yes". Therefore SS theorist can't argue that their model is real on the ground of "But look! It's on all the maps!"

Which "authorities" control satellite images? How it a definite yes? Ever piece of information i have provided confirms the building is where it is shown on Google and on maps. Evidence from both sides of the fence cooberates. All you as said have provided is a "well that building was somewhere else as i remember from back when". You said you had a picture to back up your claim this however has gone missing.

So Hagbard when CND handed out there hand drawn maps of the area during the protests did they place the building in the wrong place?

There would be no point moving that building as the place is widely know famous in fact and its not supposed to be secret. In fact it would be beneficial for the military to let people know the exact location as most of the real work actually goes on in America.

What probably happened is you have pointed to the base and said whats that and the person said thats where they load the trident missiles, them talking in general and you pointing at a specific building which for all we know isnt there any longer. Like i said all the pictures and ,maps TV footage etc all show the building to be in the same place.

So untill you have any evidence to the contrary in going to leave it there.

[castle]

No, I said that the wharf was almost due east of Ardentinney; undr the cloud covr on Google Earth. That's not changing my mind.

And what's gained in qulaity and detail when OS lave such a singificant feaure of the Landranger?

I didn't say it would be gained it can be lost also.

Due east theres hardly any cloud on the water, certainly not enough to hide a building bigger as you claim than the one i showed.

Sorry hagbard all the evidence on many different media formats from many different sources points to you being wrong. So like i said unless you can come up with some evidence rather than but i remember, then im going with it being where its showed to be.

[hagbard_celine]

As you wish, Castle. Thanks for the chat.

If I find that photo I'll post it on this thread.

[adimon]

Sorry it's been a while for me on this thread. Just caught up.

I'm a frayed knot! Bev has invited me along already, but I can't make it. let me know how you get on. I've seen the vid by Gerrish and it makes for explosive, revealling viewing. I'm not surprised to find that the Tavistock Institute is involved in it.

Shame. I will certainly be posting my findings here.

Back on topic: Actually I'm not 100% sure that the Earth is hollow, but the evidence seems compelling and worth looking in to. In my case I don't think it's necerssary to prove the SS theory wrong first to accept the hollow, holes-at-the-poles model. This is because the SS theory prevails more through paradigm-acceptance than investigation.

I agree you don't need to 'disprove' SS, but what is the evidence that you find so compelling? Compelling is an interesting choice of word, because it doesn't claim any strength. This is the point I make below.

None? None at all? What aboput Admiral Byrd and Jan Lamprecht, Willis George Emmerson? People have brought back tales of holes-at-the-poles (and other weird things) in Antractica. I've spoken to one of them!The difference is that these people get written off as nuts while the SS theorists get fellowships and research grants.

Has anyone claimed to dive into these holes and explore them though? Icke and countless others also claim there are beings living in underground networks. There is not one account of anyone having explored these either.

Besides the 'idea' of a hole, which I agree you would have to go in person to confirm/deny, what else is there?

I crossed paths with Oliver Shepard back in the Spring and he talked for a long time about his and Fiennes' polar expeditions. Maybe I will write to him and try to ellicit a response.


I don't know is the honest answer. But the point in relation to this thread's topic is not "why?" but "whether?" Do authroites who control cartography and satelite imagery lie to us? The answer is a definite "yes". Therefore SS theorist can't argue that their model is real on the ground of "But look! It's on all the maps!"

[demiurge]

Originally posted by adimon
Has anyone claimed to dive into these holes and explore them though? Icke and countless others also claim there are beings living in underground networks. There is not one account of anyone having explored these either.

Besides the 'idea' of a hole, which I agree you would have to go in person to confirm/deny, what else is there?

I crossed paths with Oliver Shepard back in the Spring and he talked for a long time about his and Fiennes' polar expeditions. Maybe I will write to him and try to ellicit a response.

there are people who claim they visited it (not on purpouse), mostly ship wrecked sailors, the most famous are olaf jansen and his father although they weren´t ship wrecked, admiral byrd and his crew, not to mention many others who claim visiting it. there is a book about jansen´s travel the smoky god , haven t read it but i will, you can find it here www.ourhollowearth.com/VoyagetoHollowEarth. there are also scaning and readings, some satelite pictures of the openings on other planets and a lot of books that explain the phenomena of the hollow planet nature(not claiming it´s all true, but what is the truth anyway) ;as to why people today can´t enter, people who have gotten into conspiracy thinking don t need to go far tfind the answer, some things the government does not want you to know :) i think it´s all in the information and literature that you read, from the books i ve read even the decoding of the hyeroglyphs in ancient egypt and the sumerian texts there are stories about the titan gods that the kings and the pharaos had a privilege to meat by conducting a voyage through the caves and the underground rivers that had taken them into the cities of the creators; there are also the question about the lack of salinity in the sea at the north and the south pole(the theorists claim they come from the inner earth oceans) and the the question of the creation of the underground rivers.

[adimon]

there are people who claim they visited it (not on purpouse), mostly ship wrecked sailors, the most famous are olaf jansen and his father although they weren´t ship wrecked, admiral byrd and his crew, not to mention many others who claim visiting it. there is a book about jansen´s travel the smoky god , haven t read it but i will, you can find it here www.ourhollowearth.com/VoyagetoHollowEarth.

Yes, all this has been posted before, but no-one claims to have BEEN inside the earth, have they?

The link doesn't work unfortunately. I went to the index and straight away there's someone asking for money, a PayPal symbol, and very little information.

there are also scaning and readings, some satelite pictures of the openings on other planets

What scannings? What readings? Even if the pictures you refer to actually are images of openings that open up inside other planets, that's those planets, no this one. Titan (moon of Saturn) has ice, but's it not related in any way to glaciation on this planet.

and a lot of books that explain the phenomena of the hollow planet nature(not claiming it´s all true, but what is the truth anyway) ;

Books explaining the phenomena? Really?

Why has not one person on this forum been able to offer anything besides some pictures of holes in ice, and pure speculation, then?

What's the truth anyway? That the earth is not hollow.

as to why people today can´t enter, people who have gotten into conspiracy thinking don t need to go far tfind the answer, some things the government does not want you to know :) i think it´s all in the information and literature that you read, from the books i ve read even the decoding of the hyeroglyphs in ancient egypt and the sumerian texts there are stories about the titan gods that the kings and the pharaos had a privilege to meat by conducting a voyage through the caves and the underground rivers that had taken them into the cities of the creators; there are also the question about the lack of salinity in the sea at the north and the south pole(the theorists claim they come from the inner earth oceans) and the the question of the creation of the underground rivers.

Wrongful decodings of hieroglyphics and many other texts are in abundance in this world. If you can write a sufficiently long and dense enough conspiracy text you could come up with something everyone would want to buy.

[demiurge]

adimon, you are a poor example of a occam´s raisor victim, it´s like your not even listening. you cannot say that the earth is not hollow because you ve never been to the center of the earth, as well as i cannot say that the earth is hollow because i ve never benn to the center of it as well, so we re both trying to prove something with evidence of a suspicious caracter. my belief system is allowing me to belive the earth is hollow, but not to claim i know this for a fact, but your belief system is telling you that it cannot be hollow and that you know this as an undiniable fact, therfore you see it only with all those dense layers you learned about, although you have never been to it s center or know anyone who visited it´s core, so bassically all we are handiling here are theories. i can also say the wave readings of the earth s core by other scientists are wrong.as to your claimbing that no one has claimed to have visited it the people we listed through this post claim they have. don t know why your link does not work, it works fine on my computer.you can claim what you want here, freedom of speech allows you this but trust me, you can t know everything :)

[adimon]

adimon, you are a poor example of a occam´s raisor victim, it´s like your not even listening.

And you're a great example of someone who resorts to personal insult when challenged. Its debate, don't get defensive :)

I know what Ockham's Razor is. It suggests the use of evidence. We have sent sound waves into the earth and the results suggest solid and liquid contents. There were no recorded 'pockets' at any depth whereby there might be any hollow. I know that this is not conclusive, but this is me just showing you that I have some evidence.

When I turn the argument around and use Ockham's Razor on you (ooh that sounds nasty :D ) it means that all things being equal, the simplest solution is the truth. It also means that you have to provide evidence for the earth being hollow to substantiate your claims otherwise you don't pass the Razor.

Fair enough there are photographs of holes in ice, and claims that caves exist that go a long way underground. But you are jumping over the Razor rather than confronting it by saying you believe based on this. If someone had been into the hole in the ice, or into the deep, deep caves, and had an account of his experience, then things would be different. You would then have passed the Razor back on me.

you cannot say that the earth is not hollow because you ve never been to the center of the earth, as well as i cannot say that the earth is hollow because i ve never benn to the center of it as well, so we re both trying to prove something with evidence of a suspicious caracter.

What's suspicious about sound waves, geology and oceanography?

my belief system is allowing me to belive the earth is hollow, but not to claim i know this for a fact, but your belief system is telling you that it cannot be hollow and that you know this as an undiniable fact

Undeniable? No. Extremely likely, with no evidence to the contrary, yes.

therfore you see it only with all those dense layers you learned about, although you have never been to it s center or know anyone who visited it´s core, so bassically all we are handiling here are theories.

Ooh this one again! I get this every couple of days now. A forum member pretends they know anything about me, and suggests I've done no research and I've been brainwashed by contemporary science. Wrong.

Emboldened within your text, btw, is one of the strongest points I am making to you, as written by you.

i can also say the wave readings of the earth s core by other scientists are wrong.

Yes, if you have evidence to back it up.

[castle]

As you wish, Castle. Thanks for the chat.

If I find that photo I'll post it on this thread.

Can i ask why it is you think that out of all the maps its on including protesters maps draw by protesters on location and out of all the protesters that used these maps and others when they protest the site no one except for you has mentioned the buildings in the wrong place? Ive looked at loads of maps now from all different sources and they all say your wrong.

Like i said i get the idea you pointed at any part of the base and the local gave you a generalization of what the building was. After the ill informed stuff you posted in the chinese thread im inclined to think you look for conspiracies and disregard any information that disproves them. A lot of people repeat stuff on here that a simple Google proves to be false.

[castle]

The Earth is not hollow science proves it.

Wheres your evidence.

Right here.

Then science is wrong.

Wheres your evidence.

Err i dont have any its my belief system.

[castle]

Admiral Byrd well he certainly flew over the cuckoo's nest.

I love the claim that the locked Admiral Byrd up to stop him telling the world the Earth is hollow. Well what a shitty plan considering he already had. When asked but dont you think they locked him up because he really was mad and said the things he did because of this like people who knew him said? No chance they reply.

In one of the fuel threads i posted that the guy who said he had invented a car that runs on water was a con man. The guys investors and family took him to court and it was proved he had invented nothing of the sort. The reply i got back was the person could not have been a con man because he used to work for NASA and a con man couldn't get a job at NASA. Imagine a CT saying everyone is straight at NASA. I bet the next post was how NASA pulled the biggest con trick in human history lol.
Like i said its pointless discussing anything with CT's its just a laugh. When you provide evidence they pass it off as fake without ever looking into it and their evidence they except as fact without ever looking into it.

[adimon]

You're not saying that you don't believe in any conspiracy theory though are you?

I'm fairly well known here for being more 'skeptical' than most, but I'm of the belief that the Apollo 11 was faked, and that there is certainly more than meets the eye to a lot of official stories.

[popeye11]

I don't know whether the earth is hollow, haven't been there, but from what I have experienced, I am open to just about anything.
I know there are many, many, underground bases and that they go down very far, in other words, there are many levels. I do know this for a fact, but I have no way of proving it, but the chances are that you are sitting on one as we speak.
There are many reptilian beings and people that occupy these bases and with advanced technology, they have no trouble keeping "we the people" out.

[adimon]

I don't know whether the earth is hollow, haven't been there, but from what I have experienced, I am open to just about anything.
I know there are many, many, underground bases and that they go down very far, in other words, there are many levels. I do know this for a fact, but I have no way of proving it, but the chances are that you are sitting on one as we speak.
There are many reptilian beings and people that occupy these bases and with advanced technology, they have no trouble keeping "we the people" out.

What is the source of your information on underground bases? The reason I ask is that many posters have said the same thing and then disappeared when I asked for their sources. I would really love to learn more.

[popeye11]

Hi adiman

I am sorry that I have no way to prove it. There are many books and tv stories on these, but I do not believe anything unless I experience it firsthand. I could say and will say that I have seen and met some of these beings and people, but then what would that prove? Nothing! For all anyone knows, I could just be a computer crackpot. :o

[castle]

You're not saying that you don't believe in any conspiracy theory though are you?

I'm fairly well known here for being more 'skeptical' than most, but I'm of the belief that the Apollo 11 was faked, and that there is certainly more than meets the eye to a lot of official stories.

No doubt you have proof Apollo 11 was faked.

[castle]

Hi adiman

I am sorry that I have no way to prove it. There are many books and tv stories on these, but I do not believe anything unless I experience it firsthand. I could say and will say that I have seen and met some of these beings and people, but then what would that prove? Nothing! For all anyone knows, I could just be a computer crackpot. :o


Lol what did i post earlier?

[adimon]

No doubt you have proof Apollo 11 was faked.

I have strong evidence, which I'll discuss with you on the appropriate thread.

I justs want to know if you believe in any alternative viewpoints? Would be very interested to hear your 9/11 thoughts on the appropriate forum.

[castle]

I have many alternative viewpoints to things raised on here.

Strong evidence ay must be something new. I'm so intrigued i sent you an invite.

[soxism]

the point in relation to this thread's topic is not "why?" but "whether?" Do authroites who control cartography and satelite imagery lie to us? The answer is a definite "yes". Therefore SS theorist can't argue that their model is real on the ground of "But look! It's on all the maps!"

I'd Have to agree, and Back you up on this statement. They DO keep information from us, for political reasons. So untill they provide us with all of thier information, we cant prove, or disprove this theory.

[hagbard_celine]

Sorry it's been a while for me on this thread. Just caught up.



Shame. I will certainly be posting my findings here.



I agree you don't need to 'disprove' SS, but what is the evidence that you find so compelling? Compelling is an interesting choice of word, because it doesn't claim any strength. This is the point I make below.



Has anyone claimed to dive into these holes and explore them though? Icke and countless others also claim there are beings living in underground networks. There is not one account of anyone having explored these either.

Besides the 'idea' of a hole, which I agree you would have to go in person to confirm/deny, what else is there?

I crossed paths with Oliver Shepard back in the Spring and he talked for a long time about his and Fiennes' polar expeditions. Maybe I will write to him and try to ellicit a response.


Hi Ad.

Hope the Gerrish meeting went OK. I've been away for a while to because my own PC is bust and I've been nipping to internet cafes when I can and scribbling briefly. Hopefully my PC will be fixed soon and I can get back to normal.

Contacting Sheppard and Fiennes is a good idea. The Fiennes and Sheppard partnership are the nearest the modern world can get to Admiral Byrd. I'd be interested to hear if they've seen anything to make them doubt the SS theory. However, like most modern polar explorers, they travel mostly by foot or sea. In fact conquering the poles by foot has become part of the act of polar endeavor itself! (Or using another unusual form of transport. The poles have been reached by motorbike and pogo stick. I plan to be the fist person to reach the piece of land the SS theory claims is the "South Pole" pushing a hospital bed!) Byrd's explorations over the polar regions was by air and his means he was in a position to see a lot more and cover a lot more terrotory.

It is because of first-hand testimony, rather than second-hand dedution that I give the Hollow Earth theory such credence. I'm not 100% sure it's true at all; I'm not 100% sure that the SS theory is unture. But if you want m to express it quantitatively I'd say I'm 60% in favor of Hollow Earth, 25% on SS and the remaining 15% split over a number of other models.

[hagbard_celine]

I'd Have to agree, and Back you up on this statement. They DO keep information from us, for political reasons. So untill they provide us with all of thier information, we cant prove, or disprove this theory.

True, and why should we believe the maps? I've proved on this thread that maps are censored and faked, in the present and in history.

[hagbard_celine]

Hi adiman

I am sorry that I have no way to prove it. There are many books and tv stories on these, but I do not believe anything unless I experience it firsthand. I could say and will say that I have seen and met some of these beings and people, but then what would that prove? Nothing! For all anyone knows, I could just be a computer crackpot. :o

It may be possible to design our own polar exploration mission to find the north or south polar orifice. But how would we do it?

the problem is that by using conventional naviation techniques: GPS, star sights, sextant etc, we fall under the spell of a variation of the "Easter Egg Factor". All these techniques involve the virtual; maps are models of a virtual world, the GPS system is a model based on the assumption of the SS theory. Using stars and the sun etc means we still have to apply our observations to a model and all existing models are based on the SS theory. What we'll need to do is find our way be dead-reckoning, avoiding all external navigation stimuli that might distract us. A method I can suggest is line-of-sight markers. this has been used before; I learned about it as a child during my brief affair with the Sea Scouts: You build a mound of snow then walk a few hundred yards in a certain diection and build another. Walk on a few more hundred yards keeping the first two mounds in visual range and then build a thid in line with the first two; then repeat the process. Using this method it's possible to travel in a straight line for anm indefinite distance with no directional aids so long as you dead-reckoning markers are accurately placed.

[adimon]

It may be possible to design our own polar exploration mission to find the north or south polar orifice. But how would we do it?

the problem is that by using conventional naviation techniques: GPS, star sights, sextant etc, we fall under the spell of a variation of the "Easter Egg Factor". All these techniques involve the virtual; maps are models of a virtual world, the GPS system is a model based on the assumption of the SS theory.

The GPS system is not based on SS theory - it's independent of it. With GPS you don't NEED maps!

[demiurge]

i wonder could someone visit agharta in the astral projection state?

[adimon]

Hope the Gerrish meeting went OK.

Gerrish meeting's not until Nov 15th. Will definitely keep ya posted.

Contacting Sheppard and Fiennes is a good idea.

Anyone want to help me organise a presentation by assisting with venue etc.. I haven't done any conferencing for a while and could use the help. :)

(Or using another unusual form of transport. The poles have been reached by motorbike and pogo stick. I plan to be the fist person to reach the piece of land the SS theory claims is the "South Pole" pushing a hospital bed!)

Good luck. It's hard enough on foot! :D

[hagbard_celine]

The GPS system is not based on SS theory - it's independent of it. With GPS you don't NEED maps!


But it was created for a spherical Earth. If the Earth is not spherical then the readings it gives will either not make sense or will be brought into line with the SS model through the Easter Egg Factor. For instance if you're near the part of the land we think of as the north pole then the system's software will either crash or make a false judgement on your position. On the other hand whoever created the system might know that the Earth is hollow and deliberately ccover it up by implanting false readings for certain locations.

Actually it would make no difference for most of the planet because the Earth is pseudo-spherical over most of its surface.

[hagbard_celine]

Anyone want to help me organise a presentation by assisting with venue etc.. I haven't done any conferencing for a while and could use the help. :)



If you don't want to risk them laughing in your face!:D

Well if that bothered me I wouldn't be here!

[chandrakavi]

If you don't want to risk them laughing in your face!:D

Well if that bothered me I wouldn't be here!

sounds interesting!!!!:):D:D

[chandrakavi]

Trere are people wanting to go to Hollow Earth. Anyone have an idea?
Besides the book information. A Map? A real one?
Bet the military have one.

[paganus]

Trere are people wanting to go to Hollow Earth. Anyone have an idea?
Besides the book information. A Map? A real one?
Bet the military have one.there's a Native American myth about an entrance in the desert.Charles Manson belived it to be located in Death Valley,i think it was.you might want to try that avenue.i belive the Hopi nation have a hollow Earth as part of their creation myth.

[chandrakavi]

there's a Native American myth about an entrance in the desert.Charles Manson belived it to be located in Death Valley,i think it was.you might want to try that avenue.i belive the Hopi nation have a hollow Earth as part of their creation myth.


THE HOPIS ARE VERY WISE AND INTERESTING, DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD THAT.
WILL LOOK IT UP PAGANUS. Thanks a lot! Will look it up, see what they have to say,
on The Hollow Earth.

:D :D :D

[hagbard_celine]

Trere are people wanting to go to Hollow Earth. Anyone have an idea?
Besides the book information. A Map? A real one?
Bet the military have one.

Maybe, but I doubt if you're average foot-squaddie has one in his kitbag! There could be maps of the polar orifices and even the actual interior of the Hollow Earth in locked vaults in the Pentagon basement, but they probably don't get them out that often!

[hagbard_celine]

Trere are people wanting to go to Hollow Earth.

I'd like to go there, but as this thread shows, it's not easy. There areseveral people claiming they're planning "Hollow Earth expeditions", but so far none of those have departed.

[chandrakavi]

Maybe, but I doubt if you're average foot-squaddie has one in his kitbag! There could be maps of the polar orifices and even the actual interior of the Hollow Earth in locked vaults in the Pentagon basement, but they probably don't get them out that often!


What wouldn't we give to be able to see that map probably in the Pentagon.
Most probably it would show things as they truly are. Tell me if you get to see it Pal!
hehehe. :D

[hagbard_celine]

What wouldn't we give to be able to see that map probably in the Pentagon.
Most probably it would show things as they truly are. Tell me if you get to see it Pal!
hehehe. :D


Something tells me I'm unlikely to get an invitation!:D

But I've a feeling these maps will show more new things than just the polar orifices and the inner Earth. There may well be places on the outer Earth that the Loomies know about, but leave off ordinary maps. Check out this thread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16708

[2013]

there's a Native American myth about an entrance in the desert.Charles Manson belived it to be located in Death Valley,i think it was.you might want to try that avenue.i belive the Hopi nation have a hollow Earth as part of their creation myth.
http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi.html
Ant People

According to legend, at the destruction of each ages of humanity - the people that were pure of heart went down into the center/heart of the Earth and there remained protected.

In this place lived a group of beings they called the Ant People. Drawings of the Ant People bear a strong similarity to the gray aliens, having large heads, short bodies, long spindly fingers, in some cases 4, 5, or 6 digits. Some of these drawings have the indication of telepathic thought waves coming from the beings' head themselves.

Hopi Prophecy speaks of the return of the Blue Kachina - Star People and Star Knowledge - at the end of this cycle of time.

Strange how when western rulers mess with snake serpent symbolism it is negative but when ancient people have ceremony and legends of the same origins and practices the nit is regarded as wisdom .Im not dissing the Hopi i have read lots of native stuff over theyears and rtecoeved lotos of the same thru meditation but we need to look at these things carefully .Two wheels good four wheels bad kinda thing ? Could be that something corrupted these ancient factions of star peoples in some areas while others remained true to the cause ie those in isolated areas such a sthe hopi gods :DSee chapter 7 serving the dragon :the past inthe children of the matrix , serpents of the americas section for more info on the underground tunnel system there .

[dmessick]

sounds like Saul of the Molemen on adult swim. Pretty funny show.

[3stepsahead]

One of the ideas I have been studying lately, for the human race to survive eventual cataclysmic events, is an idea for us to build underground cities. Something ala what Zion in "The Matrix" trilogy. While exploring this I heard about discoveries of underground cavesystems. While exploring these they found underground cities. My source didnt say wether it was abandonded or not, but who knows? We could have "inter"terrestials in a more literal sense than David Icke tells us.

Seems to be covered up though. Havent been able to find anything about underground places where people might have lived. And if it is covered up...

Other things I think is worth noting. I think I have read about planets that sometimes "evolve" into a sun. I think some planets is close to the state of becoming a sun. So about the "being a sun" inside of Earth being against the laws of physics: Well, the laws of physics are sometimes subject to change. That a planets core is magma is a theory the way I see it. Yes, volcanoes sprout lava, but if we had a sun inside our planet, then wouldnt it be logical that it melts stone and whatever else there is in the Earth. If there is a world inside Earth, it might not be defying the laws of physics. It just defies how we believe planets to be. The way I see it, the "sun" they have in an underground world, would simply be a sun below them, instead of above them, unless they are beings with a very different molecular structure than ours... f.ex. gas based, but I think that would defy the laws of physics... I guess. We are still learning what makes the world turn, and what drives the Universe, as I see it. What we now know is vast, but what is left to learn is probably...vaster :p


sorry to go off topic but:
why do not the elites harvest heat into energy from the lavastreams.
well i cant answer that but i do agree that if they are that short sighted
the truths they tell as facts may be at least as short sometimes.

ok the idea is 20% revenue to me from whoever develops it Xd

[chandrakavi]

[QUOTE=hagbard_celine;277237]Something tells me I'm unlikely to get an invitation!:D

HAGBARD_CELINE YOU ARE INCREDIBLE, A TRUE WIZARD, YOU CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE:D
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[hagbard_celine]

[QUOTE=hagbard_celine;277237]Something tells me I'm unlikely to get an invitation!:D

HAGBARD_CELINE YOU ARE INCREDIBLE, A TRUE WIZARD, YOU CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE:D
:D:D:D

It's my crystal ball! I really should go into business!:D:D:D

[angelicangel]

HC could you read my future for me pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese:D

[chandrakavi]

ANGEL, Celine can by all means, and with love too. :) :D

also on the subject see in youtube:
www.voyagehollowearth.com

[hagbard_celine]

ANGEL, Celine can by all means, and with love too. :) :D

also on the subject see in youtube:
www.voyagehollowearth.com

Who keeps putting this site up!?:rolleyes: Here's a prediction: It will go down a week before the departure date, then come back up a few months later advertizing next year's expedition as if nothing has happened!

[angelicangel]

Thanx Chand I will get you to read my future as well:D:D

[chandrakavi]

Thanx Chand I will get you to read my future as well:D:D


Anytime Angel :D :D :D

[chandrakavi]

Who keeps putting this site up!?:rolleyes: Here's a prediction: It will go down a week before the departure date, then come back up a few months later advertizing next year's expedition as if nothing has happened!

You are right hagbard_celine the page : www.voyagehollowearth.com
comes up every year, ask you for the money and then "something happens that things cannot be done". It is better , if people are interested, to go in a group, not have someone steal your money. Thanks for pointing this out HC.

[chandrakavi]

The Nazis sought to prove that the earth was hollow.
In a book called : MAYA: Reality is an Illusion by Miguel Serrano
I find in the last chapter the following , that is said about the Hollow Earth:

"Three years ago, i received an unexpected visit of a world known writer.
It came from Germany to bring an extraordinary document: a letter written by
a German submariner that said to be "inside the earth", because Rudolph Hess and Haushofer were right: THE EARTH IS HOLLOW.

The handwritten letter, in german dated April 20, 1947 ,
meant to say that these "syncronisms" come to support us, because as the alquimist
says: "If you are doing the job right, unknown friends will come to your help..." and "even if you find yourself alone in your room, your thoughts will be heard thousands of leagues of
distance from where you are"...

TRANSLATION:
April 20, 1947
Dear old comrade:
This letter will be a surprise to you. The submarine U-Boot 209 has made it. The Earth is HOLLOW! Dr. Haushofer and Hess were right. The entire crew finds itself well, but we cannot return. We are not prisioners. I am sure that this message will arrive to you; this is the last contact wiith U-209. We will see each other again comrade..
Signature ILLEGIBLE

Letter from Hans Willi to Howard Emmajean, dated may 8, 1990
Dear howard &Emmajean.

The two briefs received of 7 mai and R.C. Thank you so much!!!

The mission of the U-290 was one of the most fanstastic missions
of the Third Reich. It certainly involved the Occultist influence of
Hitler, Himmler, Heydtrich and Dr. Larl Hauschofer....

The mission of the U-290 was to follow ancient charts, and to enter
a gigantic undersea mountain opening. This was believed to lead to the Center of the Earth!! Yes, it was beleived that in the center lay Agharta!!!

The U-290 did not return, and thus the letter from an old friend
who was aboard the 290. This letter states that the U-290's mission
was completed, that the earth IS HOLLOW, and not only that, also inhabited. The boat was commanded by Heinnrich Brodda.

The mission was entitled ASGARD

The man who wrote me the letter while I was staying with my cousins was
JOSEPH MUNDT. Special appointee of the Reich's mysterious AHNENERBE
bureau under Himler and Heydrich. This is and still is the Ancestral
Bureau of the Nordic Race, which came from the north, and believed that
they came from an opening near the North Polar area ,which led to the Center
of the Earth..........Many old nordic legends claim this as well as
several Native American Legends (Amerindians).

Mundt was not in Argentina, the letter was mailed from there ,Stating that
the U-290 accomplished its mission, but none could return, yet they were NOT prisioners. Most strange and I know that this defies the credibility of RATIONAL THOUGHT though,
but I think there are many things we DO NOT KNOW.

Haushofer, very strange pronouncement on the Obelisk, in Runic Symbols,
Beyond this point lies Agharta, and there are more things IN Heaven and In EARTH
THAT MAN HAS DREAMT.........As stated previously, there was a most profound influence in the Third Reich of the Occult or is Occut sometimes TRUTH that is not yet understood,
or perhaps OLD knowledge that man has lost his way in this world after losing it....

The 629 had her encounter with a flying Disc off Afrika in Mai 1943.
Some place that film still exists. I think it is very likely the very
first photos of a Flying Disc, alter seen by allied and Luftwaffe
pilots over Europe.

A most pleasant sojourn to you both my friends in EUROPA(:::)
An Angel in the front and Angel in the back for your protection and guidance while away.
God bless you both.

Faithfully

WILLIE


Edit:
I personally think that these letters could or could not mean something, but it is worth
looking at the information about the Hollow Earth, and the distance dates between each letter 1947 and 1990. It is for us to decide..
David Icke talks about this in his book THE BIGGEST SECRET.

[chandrakavi]

I remember there was a movie in the 80's called DAS BOOTS,(I remember it was about a submarine)
I never got around to seeing it. I wonder if it was about this
Did anybody see it?

[marpat]

The GPS system is not based on SS theory - it's independent of it. With GPS you don't NEED maps!

I love this thread!! GPS give positions that relate to the relative position of satellites so is not dependent on SS theories as I understand.
It would be amazing if this theory were true but I must admit until something is undeniable evidence then I accept it as an unproven theory only.
I did see some pictures that showed massive black areas covering the poles that some people used to prove the idea of holes but then some later pictures did not show the same black spots. Bad coverage, cover- up, who knows.

[hagbard_celine]

You are right hagbard_celine the page : www.voyagehollowearth.com
comes up every year, ask you for the money and then "something happens that things cannot be done". It is better , if people are interested, to go in a group, not have someone steal your money. Thanks for pointing this out HC.


You're welcome:) It's a great shame that an interesting research source and potentially serious explorers are being belittled in this way. We live in a more and more finite planet; the discovery of the Hollow Earth would be a return the great days of the "New World".

[hagbard_celine]

I love this thread!! GPS give positions that relate to the relative position of satellites so is not dependent on SS theories as I understand.
It would be amazing if this theory were true but I must admit until something is undeniable evidence then I accept it as an unproven theory only.
I did see some pictures that showed massive black areas covering the poles that some people used to prove the idea of holes but then some later pictures did not show the same black spots. Bad coverage, cover- up, who knows.

Did you see that Horizon programme about gravity? it showed the control centre for GPS. It's only in the middle of a sealled military base!:eek:

It's about 20 minues into the programme: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-843994142204928073&q=bbc+horizon+gravity&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 Allow me to quote: "It's from this one room that the whole GPS network is controlled." So if I'm to believe that the SS model is correct based on evidence in the GPS structure then that GPS structure needs to be more accessible and accountable.

[marpat]

Did you see that Horizon programme about gravity? it showed the control centre for GPS. It's only in the middle of a sealled military base!:eek:

It's about 20 minues into the programme: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-843994142204928073&q=bbc+horizon+gravity&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 Allow me to quote: "It's from this one room that the whole GPS network is controlled." So if I'm to believe that the SS model is correct based on evidence in the GPS structure then that GPS structure needs to be more accessible and accountable.

Not suprised by this as GPS was designed for military use. The probably own the satellites that are used for the getting positions. Didn't see that program.

[shellygurrrl]

The minute somebody comes along and says something is impossible, somebody comes along and proves it. Anything is possible. People used to think we had "junk" DNA. When people say this organ is useless, or it's impossible to time travel, the earth is the center of the universe, blah blah blah, we don't know diddly. We're just beginning. Never say never.

Is the earth hollow? I don't know. Doubt it, but don't discount it either. The most seemingly preposterous things can actually be ordinary.

[marpat]

The minute somebody comes along and says something is impossible, somebody comes along and proves it. Anything is possible. People used to think we had "junk" DNA. When people say this organ is useless, or it's impossible to time travel, the earth is the center of the universe, blah blah blah, we don't know diddly. We're just beginning. Never say never.

Is the earth hollow? I don't know. Doubt it, but don't discount it either. The most seemingly preposterous things can actually be ordinary.

I suppose you can put thing down into categores: impossible, possible (there is a chance that it could occur if conditions allow), probable (is a workable idea and may even be manifest but is not obvious), definite.

A lot of the theories that get cirulated would fall into the possible category

[marpat]

Just thinking. It is claimed that there were ancient maps which allowed early voyagers to cross the atlantic and other oceans in full knowledge of where they were heading. I wonder if such maps had anything at the poles or not.

[chandrakavi]

The Nazis sought to prove that the earth was hollow.


"Three years ago, i received an unexpected visit of a world known writer.
It came from Germany to bring an extraordinary document: a letter written by
a German submariner that said to be "inside the earth", because they were right: THE EARTH IS HOLLOW.

The handwritten letter, in german dated April 20, 1947 ,
meant to say that these "syncronisms" come to support us, because as the alquimist
says: "If you are doing the job right, unknown friends will come to your help..." and "even if you find yourself alone in your room, your thoughts will be heard thousands of leagues of
distance from where you are"...

TRANSLATION:
April 20, 1947
Dear old comrade:
This letter will be a surprise to you. The submarine U-Boot 209 has made it. The Earth is HOLLOW! They were right. The entire crew finds itself well, but we cannot return. We are not prisioners. I am sure that this message will arrive to you; this is the last contact wiith U-209. We will see each other again comrade..
Signature ILLEGIBLE



Letter from Hans Willi to Howard Emmajean, dated may 8, 1990
Dear howard &Emmajean.

The two briefs received of 7 mai and R.C. Thank you so much!!!

The mission of the U-290 was one of the most fanstastic missions
of the Third Reich. It certainly involved the Occultist influence of
Hitler, Himmler, Heydtrich and Dr. Larl Hauschofer....

The mission of the U-290 was to follow ancient charts, and to enter
a gigantic undersea mountain opening. This was believed to lead to the Center of the Earth!! Yes, it was beleived that in the center lay Agharta!!!

The U-290 did not return, and thus the letter from an old friend
who was aboard the 290. This letter states that the U-290's mission
was completed, that the earth IS HOLLOW, and not only that, also inhabited. The boat was commanded by Heinnrich Brodda.

The mission was entitled ASGARD

The man who wrote me the letter while I was staying with my cousins was
JOSEPH MUNDT. Special appointee of the Reich's mysterious AHNENERBE
bureau under Himler and Heydrich. This is and still is the Ancestral
Bureau of the Nordic Race, which came from the north, and believed that
they came from an opening near the North Polar area ,which led to the Center
of the Earth..........Many old nordic legends claim this as well as
several Native American Legends (Amerindians).

Mundt was not in Argentina, the letter was mailed from there ,Stating that
the U-290 accomplished its mission, but none could return, yet they were NOT prisioners. Most strange and I know that this defies the credibility of RATIONAL THOUGHT though,
but I think there are many things we DO NOT KNOW.

Haushofer, very strange pronouncement on the Obelisk, in Runic Symbols,
Beyond this point lies Agharta, and there are more things IN Heaven and In EARTH
THAT MAN HAS DREAMT.........As stated previously, there was a most profound influence in the Third Reich of the Occult or is Occut sometimes TRUTH that is not yet understood,
or perhaps OLD knowledge that man has lost his way in this world after losing it....

The 629 had her encounter with a flying Disc off Afrika in Mai 1943.
Some place that film still exists. I think it is very likely the very
first photos of a Flying Disc, alter seen by allied and Luftwaffe
pilots over Europe.

A most pleasant sojourn to you both my friends in EUROPA(::
God bless you both.

Faithfully

WILLIE


Edit:
I personally think that these letters could or could not mean something, but it is worth
looking at the information about the Hollow Earth, and the distance dates between each letter 1947 and 1990. It is for us to decide..
David Icke talks about this in his book THE BIGGEST SECRET.

Interesting letters concerning the German ASGARD MISSION on The Hollow Earth. :D

[hagbard_celine]

Just thinking. It is claimed that there were ancient maps which allowed early voyagers to cross the atlantic and other oceans in full knowledge of where they were heading. I wonder if such maps had anything at the poles or not.

I don't know for sure, but I do know there are maps which show the poles as they would be if they were free of ice. I'm not just talking about the famous Piri Reis map. There'sa another one which has a very accurate representation of what Antarctica would look like with no ice.

Antarctica today looks a bit like an oyster shell with a long peneisula stretching up from the western coast towards South America. In reality a lot of the smaller, western half of the continent is a huge mass of ice lying on the seabed. If it were removed then West Antarctica would really look like a chain of islands streching away from a wide bay in the polar coast of East Antarctica. Well this is exactly what that old map shows! I'll have to try and find it.

[hagbard_celine]

Interesting letters concerning the German ASGARD MISSION on The Hollow Earth. :D

Blimey!:eek: Where did you find that!?

[hagbard_celine]

I suppose you can put thing down into categores: impossible, possible (there is a chance that it could occur if conditions allow), probable (is a workable idea and may even be manifest but is not obvious), definite.

A lot of the theories that get cirulated would fall into the possible category

I think the Hollow Earth is definitely in the realms of the possible. I'd say it's about equal with the chances of the SS model being true.

[chandrakavi]

Blimey!:eek: Where did you find that!?

Browsing last year in a book store found this small 40 page book, which did not pay attention at the moment. The book in spanish is called, MAYA: Reality is an Illusion
by living Nazi Miguel Serrano. In the last pages he shows photocopies of these letters,
the 1947 one is in german, translated to spanish,(which i wrote in the post, and the 1990
letter is written directly in english. Miguel serrano is alive, a chilean Nazi,written a lot of esoteric stuff,the nazi occult, and most probably has inteligentsia stuff of those years, i pressume. The Occult the Reich went into etc.

Later I will see if i can place those letters here. At any rate, they say exactly what i placed on the post. I bet those letters and all the Nazi intelligentsia papers are now in the Pentagon, who have more than just 2 letters....:D :D

[shellygurrrl]

Just thinking. It is claimed that there were ancient maps which allowed early voyagers to cross the atlantic and other oceans in full knowledge of where they were heading. I wonder if such maps had anything at the poles or not.
Curious.

[paganus]

ive always found it curious that 'space' is refered to as 'outer space'. that would imply there is an 'inner space' but its never refered to.is it because some in power know of the hollow Earth and refer to it that way among themselves?maybe the term 'outer space' got used inadvertantly thus giving the game away!

[chandrakavi]

ive always found it curious that 'space' is refered to as 'outer space'. that would imply there is an 'inner space' but its never refered to.is it because some in power know of the hollow Earth and refer to it that way among themselves?maybe the term 'outer space' got used inadvertantly thus giving the game away!

YOU GOTTA POINT THERE PAGANUS

[hagbard_celine]

ive always found it curious that 'space' is refered to as 'outer space'. that would imply there is an 'inner space' but its never refered to.is it because some in power know of the hollow Earth and refer to it that way among themselves?maybe the term 'outer space' got used inadvertantly thus giving the game away!

Yes indeed! There's a lot of info buried in the origins of languages and their words and expressions.

The interior of the Earth would consist mostly of space, if we assume the atmosphere is the same thickness inside as outside. It should be because the gravity will be the same and the air between the two surfaces will be exchanged in windflows.

[pri01]

The minute somebody comes along and says something is impossible, somebody comes along and proves it. Anything is possible. People used to think we had "junk" DNA. When people say this organ is useless, or it's impossible to time travel, the earth is the center of the universe, blah blah blah, we don't know diddly. We're just beginning. Never say never.

Is the earth hollow? I don't know. Doubt it, but don't discount it either. The most seemingly preposterous things can actually be ordinary.


When referring to junk DNA, is this reference to the lack of knowledge of its origin? I only ask because, my current understanding is that the lack of knowledge from the medical world does not take into account that our DNA has had a helping hand.

[cleopatraxxx]

The inside of the earth is extremely hot. The planet is in fact cooling. This heat makes the surface temperature possible. If we didn't have it we would have a cold surface like some other planets in our solar system which do not have a "living" core.
...

with all due respect,

there is barely 100% sureness about this little "blue" Planet's inner cores, how the hecks can one even affirm WHAT OTHER PLANETS HAVE OR NOT in THIS SOLAR or any other planetary/ universal SYSTEM(s)??????

SORRY BUT I CANT STOP LAUGHING....

Humans have been looking for answers for ages, but instead of looking for answers within, they look for answers outside.

who said this planet has to have boiling magma and nothing else inside it? in the same way that "apparently" solar system planets keep rotating around the Sun without touching each other, the surface of the earth could revolve around an "inner "Sun" having "nothing / space / another SKY (may be)?" between them. maybe is correct to imagine a whole "inner" life inside this EARTH.
Doesn't our skin have hair on one side of its surface and on the inner side , blood and all that has been taught to us in biology? but that is to the naked eye. Under the microscope, zooming millions of times into the human body, don't we see similar "solar" systems???

MICRO and MACRO are simply a matter of scaling systems...
a wise man once said: EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE!"

[hagbard_celine]

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who said this planet has to have boiling magma and nothing else inside it? in the same way that "apparently" solar system planets keep rotating around the Sun without touching each other, the surface of the earth could revolve around an "inner "Sun" having "nothing / space / another SKY (may be)?" between them. maybe is correct to imagine a whole "inner" life inside this EARTH.
Doesn't our skin have hair on one side of its surface and on the inner side , blood and all that has been taught to us in biology? but that is to the naked eye. Under the microscope, zooming millions of times into the human body, don't we see similar "solar" systems???

MICRO and MACRO are simply a matter of scaling systems...
a wise man once said: EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE!"

People will often say: "We know that the Earth is solid because of how much it weighs and how powerful its gravitational field is." Well that's just based on the assumtion that we know how dense rock we've never seen is. It doesn't back up the SS model any more than you can judge the weight of an Easter egg by hefting it in your hand. The egg is hollow, but if you don't know that you might conclude that chocolate is a far lighter material than it actually is.

[mr_pixie]

I was under the impression Byrd says he flew in alone. Either way Byrd was a s mad as a hatter.
I like mad people. :D

[hagbard_celine]

I like mad people. :D

Yeah, it's when they call you "sane", "normal" and a "good citizen" you've got to worry!:D

See here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=299007#post299007

[marpat]

Have a look at Antarctica in google earth. There is a huge area that has been blanked or covered. If you look closely there seems to be a huge gash in the landscape. If you zoom right out a black dot appears at the centre.

Why should any satellite have trouble mapping this region? I will bet military satellites can see exactly what is here with no distortion.

There is a similar effect in the Arctic region. If you look at the rcitc region there also seems to be the impression of a circular depression under this fuzzy zone.

[hagbard_celine]

Have a look at Antarctica in google earth. There is a huge area that has been blanked or covered. If you look closely there seems to be a huge gash in the landscape. If you zoom right out a black dot appears at the centre.

Why should any satellite have trouble mapping this region? I will bet military satellites can see exactly what is here with no distortion.

There is a similar effect in the Arctic region. If you look at the rcitc region there also seems to be the impression of a circular depression under this fuzzy zone.

Exactly!:) What are they hiding? why should we believe that there's just solid land there if they won't show us!?

Can anyone do a favour for me?: Who here has Microsoft Flight Simulator? if you have can you repeat an experiment: Take off from Hammerfest airport in Norway, the most northerly in the world, and fly due north. Now... what happens when you get near the pole?

[adzboarder]

Hagbard did you notice that the Wikipedia home page pays homage to the hollow earth?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/2/2a/Nohat-logo-nowords-bgwhite-200px.jpg

[hagbard_celine]

Hagbard did you notice that the Wikipedia home page pays homage to the hollow earth?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/2/2a/Nohat-logo-nowords-bgwhite-200px.jpg

Fookin' Ell!:eek: Yes! Well spotted!:)

[adzboarder]

The rabbit hole goes so deep on this one, a fascinating topic as I am finding out...

[chandrakavi]

Hagbard did you notice that the Wikipedia home page pays homage to the hollow earth?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/2/2a/Nohat-logo-nowords-bgwhite-200px.jpg


Good Find adzboarder!! :D

[adzboarder]

Cheers ! Haha :D

[nickatnoon61]

Yes indeed. I ask people just to be introspective for a moment and ask themselves exactly how they came about the information that the world is a solid sphere? The answer I give is this: I've seen it on maps and in school atlases, on TV pictures supposedly filmed in space. I've never seen the solidity and spherical propeties of the Earth itself. I've been deep below ground in a Welsh slate mine, but how do I know that the solid rock under my feet went down all the way to the Earth's core? I've flown at 40,000 in an aeroplane, but the Earth looked just as flat from up there as it does from the surface. If I were to claim that the Earth is a solid sphere then I would be basing my claim on no direct experience at all. I would be basing it on the convention viewpoint that I've absorbed since my birth; what I've been told by teachers and parents and peers that hold that viewpoint on the very same ground: because that's what they've absorbed. The "It just is" and "That's just the way things are" factor.Haggy, if one goes up in a very tall structure, on a clear day you can see the Earth's curve. I saw it in the CN Tower , in Toronto,years ago.

[nickatnoon61]

Probably got a big water distiller in the hollow earth :D :D :D :D

[nickatnoon61]

At the end of the day there is far more evidence to say that the earth is hollow, then there is to say it is not.
The overwhelming evidence for me is...that if mainstream says it is NOT....then it MUST be!

[mynameis]

If the Earth has an 800 mile deep solid crust with a hollow interior where does the lava come from when a volcano erupts?

Aye.

[truthseeker1980]

The overwhelming evidence for me is...that if mainstream says it is NOT....then it MUST be!

Mainstream science up until the 1920's considered this as a sane bonefide theory, so much so they patented the idea. Then suddenly all research stopped and the official story without any real evidence of anything against (as they haven't officially dug a hole to see) states that it's solid, even though there is scientific evidence against this official theory. (smells fishy)

[hagbard_celine]

Haggy, if one goes up in a very tall structure, on a clear day you can see the Earth's curve. I saw it in the CN Tower , in Toronto,years ago.

Nick, I'm sure the Earth is curved, I just doubt that it is a solid, unbroken sphere

[jamesk]

I don't know if the earth is hollow or solid.

Over the last twenty plus years, I've read a lot about the earth being hollow, and there is a lot evidence to support the hollow earth. The general consensus (the earth is solid, with a hot, molten core), is not based on any solid science - just assumptions.

We'll know for sure if we can ever go there or the presumed technologically advanced hollow earth people come out!

[hagbard_celine]

I don't know if the earth is hollow or solid.

Over the last twenty plus years, I've read a lot about the earth being hollow, and there is a lot evidence to support the hollow earth. The general consensus (the earth is solid, with a hot, molten core), is not based on any solid science - just assumptions.

We'll know for sure if we can ever go there or the presumed technologically advanced hollow earth people come out!


It's ironic that if people live there they're only eight hundred to 1000 miles away... beneath our feet! If we could drive a car straight down we could get there in a day or two.

[abaddon]

If we could drive a car straight down we could get there in a day or two.

Keen as mustard :p

[umbrex]

ok..

if the earth was hollow we wouldnøt have a magnetic field!

it is generated when the liquid layer spins faster than the harder upper crust. electromagnetics - wauw. its insane that this crap has gotten so many replies.

massive cave systems, sure ...a hollow earth, use your brain.

or did someone/something put it there to test your faith ?

[adzboarder]

ok..

if the earth was hollow we wouldnøt have a magnetic field!

it is generated when the liquid layer spins faster than the harder upper crust. electromagnetics - wauw. its insane that this crap has gotten so many replies.

massive cave systems, sure ...a hollow earth, use your brain.

or did someone/something put it there to test your faith ?

if the earth was SOLID we wouldn't have a magnetic field!

massive cave systems, sure ...a SOLID earth, use your brain.

or did someone/something put it there to test YOUR faith ?

Works both ways mate.

[umbrex]

if the earth was SOLID we wouldn't have a magnetic field!

massive cave systems, sure ...a SOLID earth, use your brain.

or did someone/something put it there to test YOUR faith ?

Works both ways mate.

u forgot to base yours on science... ass

but yeah, in kindergarden the children often just reverses the argument. this is also a common case for people without a solid argument and a feeble mind

[damagedbrainn]

if the earth was SOLID we wouldn't have a magnetic field!

massive cave systems, sure ...a SOLID earth, use your brain.

or did someone/something put it there to test YOUR faith ?

Works both ways mate.

That reversal didn't make any sense.

[damagedbrainn]

I don't know if the earth is hollow or solid.

Over the last twenty plus years, I've read a lot about the earth being hollow, and there is a lot evidence to support the hollow earth. The general consensus (the earth is solid, with a hot, molten core), is not based on any solid science - just assumptions.

We'll know for sure if we can ever go there or the presumed technologically advanced hollow earth people come out!

Actually, the scientific assumption is that the Earth's core is solid metal (mostly iron), surrounded by a molten outer core.

[mynameis]

Actually, the scientific assumption is that the Earth's core is solid metal (mostly iron), surrounded by a molten outer core.

I thought it was liquid?

[umbrex]

Actually, the scientific assumption is that the Earth's core is solid metal (mostly iron), surrounded by a molten outer core.

:)

it's solid per say, since its contained. but the principles still stands. the difference in the movement of the 2 crusts/layers act like a generator. tesla build some of his principles on it.

[umbrex]

"There are fresh water rivers which flow out of of the Inner Earth
carrying vegetation and pollen, freezes, so forming the fresh water icebergs in an area of apparently only salt water.. There are books that reveal the detailed evidence, I can recommend THE HOLLOW EARTH by Dr. Raymond Bernard."-- David Icke, THE BIGGEST SECRET

so..

either there is a fresh water river flowing, or....

.....


.....


.....


icebergs are huge chips from the main block which is made by years and years and years of snow and rain. when water evaporates (here it comes) salt doesn't go with it. the basic principle of distillation. when you add salt to water, you lower the freezing point by a few degrees, which is why they salt the roads in the winter, another argument for icebergs being made from snow and rain, not some freshwaterstream from the hollow earth...

BACHELOR IN SCIENCE

LOL!

[hagbard_celine]

ok..

if the earth was hollow we wouldnøt have a magnetic field!

it is generated when the liquid layer spins faster than the harder upper crust. electromagnetics - wauw. its insane that this crap has gotten so many replies.

massive cave systems, sure ...a hollow earth, use your brain.

or did someone/something put it there to test your faith ?

Very drole!:D:rolleyes:

Why couldn't movement of magma layers inside the crustal shell generate the Earth's magnetic field? Also there's more to the magetosphere than we currently know; like every 200,000 years it weakens for about two milliennia then flips! Why?

[hagbard_celine]

u forgot to base yours on science... ass

but yeah, in kindergarden the children often just reverses the argument. this is also a common case for people without a solid argument and a feeble mind


I find that people without a solid arguement tend to be the rudest and most aggressive ones; they do things like calling others "ass".;)

[hagbard_celine]

so..

icebergs are huge chips from the main block which is made by years and years and years of snow and rain. when water evaporates (here it comes) salt doesn't go with it. the basic principle of distillation. when you add salt to water, you lower the freezing point by a few degrees, which is why they salt the roads in the winter, another argument for icebergs being made from snow and rain, not some freshwaterstream from the hollow earth...



LOL!

So where do the embedded leaves shrubes and pollen come from? they don't fall out of the sky like the rain (Well I know there are reports that such things occasionally happen, but it's usually frogs or fish that fall.)

[adzboarder]

u forgot to base yours on science... ass

but yeah, in kindergarden the children often just reverses the argument. this is also a common case for people without a solid argument and a feeble mind

I havent got a solid argument, but a hollow one.

That reversal didn't make any sense.

That's not what my comment was for. All I am saying is that you guys state things with utmost certainty when in fact you have absolutely NO proof and none of us know one way or the other as to whether the earth is hollow or solid. All of this thread is speculative ideas, we do not know for sure and we will probably never know. What we do know is that time and time again conventional science and "laws" of physics can and will be broken, it's just a matter of time and some open thinking.

You would be one of those guys who argued the case for a flat earth for years only for your theory to be obliterated in due course.

Those without a solid argument and a feeble mind would resort to calling others "ass" as you have nicely shown so cheers for that, I love you too, and I really mean that Umbrex. Peace be with you and please do laugh in my face when you can actually prove your solid earth "theory".

Thanks.

[umbrex]

Very drole!:D:rolleyes:

Why couldn't movement of magma layers inside the crustal shell generate the Earth's magnetic field?

not enough mass for gravity. assuming this would imply that there would be an antire layer of magma covering the inner shell (lol), hovering on the ceiling. it would make for some magnetic ressonance, but again - u must see how rediculous this sounds.

Also there's more to the magetosphere than we currently know; like every 200,000 years it weakens for about two milliennia then flips! Why?

honestly, i can't tell ya m8.


I find that people without a solid arguement tend to be the rudest and most aggressive ones; they do things like calling others "ass".

implying that i don't have the solid argument (just to set things straight), totally leaving out consideration about the guy i posted it to, who made a BS post, leaving out the argument, which made it make sense, rendering his post to be nonsense - to which i made the claim that he was an ass. fair enough in my book.

So where do the embedded leaves shrubes and pollen come from? they don't fall out of the sky like the rain (Well I know there are reports that such things occasionally happen, but it's usually frogs or fish that fall.)

Pollen can be carried that far it seems, at least to the northern cap. again, not enough info to make the argument.
but lets say there was an underwater freshwater stream:

for this to work, the hollow earth would have either an infinite source of water, allowing it to stream continuously - or the inside is more or less all salt from the influx of saltwater, which then returns to the upper layer as freshwater. either way, no way. And give me one pick about the streets being filled with froggies, not some link on the internet where u read it.

[umbrex]

I havent got a solid argument, but a hollow one.

grasping for straws

That's not what my comment was for. All I am saying is that you guys state things with utmost certainty when in fact you have absolutely NO proof and none of us know one way or the other as to whether the earth is hollow or solid. All of this thread is speculative ideas, we do not know for sure and we will probably never know. What we do know is that time and time again conventional science and "laws" of physics can and will be broken, it's just a matter of time and some open thinking.

so you shoouldn't speculate ?


You would be one of those guys who argued the case for a flat earth for years only for your theory to be obliterated in due course.

doing some speculationg of your own (making you quite the hypocrite). i wouldn't be one of them, as i can think for myself. i use my rationality, intelligence and knowledge (esoteric and ordinary), trying not to be caught up in whatever paradigm, wether it be icke'ism or whatever religious dogma.

Those without a solid argument and a feeble mind would resort to calling others "ass" as you have nicely shown so cheers for that,

i called you an ass, because you deconstructed my post, robbed it of meaning, reversed it to make a pretty lame point. a point you have just failed to live up to yourself. thank you for that.

I love you too, and I really mean that Umbrex. Peace be with you and please do laugh in my face when you can actually prove your solid earth "theory".

no, you don't love me, you're being passive aggressive - envigorated/aroused by the fact that hagbard is "on your" side, hoping that i would be annoyed, and that's malevolenct, and kinda knocks you off the piedestal you are trying to put yourself on to (2nd time in 1 post).

and if you really really really love me, then you don't have a clue about what love is.

[mynameis]

Let's re-evaluate. Why would the core be a sun-like?

http://www.geology.wisc.edu/courses/g112/Images/Earth_structure.JPG

The picture helps solidify the concept of the metal inner and outer layers where the magnetic affect happens. Somebody suggested Tesla based his concepts on this effect. What would be the source if any for allowing the other concepts to flourish?

http://www.robotpegasys.com/alienswfs/abcfiles/inner-earth-map.gif

This shape would be like having an egg shell with two sides that doesn't connect with the pieces in the center. If this is the case the volcanic eruptions in the middle layer won't take place due to the lack of friction with the inner iron layer. Which is a false dichotomy because I cannot observe or disprove the existence of said layers. This is magical thinking at its finest, which I won't hope to place stock as its not scientific nor reasonable.

[damagedbrainn]

I havent got a solid argument, but a hollow one.



That's not what my comment was for. All I am saying is that you guys state things with utmost certainty when in fact you have absolutely NO proof and none of us know one way or the other as to whether the earth is hollow or solid. All of this thread is speculative ideas, we do not know for sure and we will probably never know. What we do know is that time and time again conventional science and "laws" of physics can and will be broken, it's just a matter of time and some open thinking.

You would be one of those guys who argued the case for a flat earth for years only for your theory to be obliterated in due course.

Those without a solid argument and a feeble mind would resort to calling others "ass" as you have nicely shown so cheers for that, I love you too, and I really mean that Umbrex. Peace be with you and please do laugh in my face when you can actually prove your solid earth "theory".

Thanks.

Scientists don't know every single last detail concerning planetary bodies, but they know enough to be certain that a hollow earth is friggin' impossible. Unless you wanna claim that the entire concept of gravity is a conspiracy...but if you do, then you need to provide an alternative explanation as to how we manage to walk on the surface of the Earth, and how the supposed inhabitants of the hollow earth manage to walk on its surface upside down (from our perspective) at the same time.

You'll also have to explain the existence of things like magma, coal, crystals, diamonds....things which are created by intense pressure. And explain how the pressure at the bottom of the ocean can be so intense, and then this pressure suddenly stops at the point in which the earth becomes "hollow". And how does the sun burn? How could an "interior sun" even exist within the earth and how do the inhabitants manage to not fall into it?

Point being: The theories that Scientists currently have actually answer questions. The hollow earth theory only raises hundreds of them, which kinda defeats the purpose of a theory.

[adzboarder]

http://www.robotpegasys.com/alienswfs/abcfiles/inner-earth-map.gif

^ Look at this clear evidence Umbrex!

If that's not clear enough for you I don't know what else you need to believe this theory, this is definitive PROOF - they've got Spaceship bases there and a rainbow city and EVERYTHING!

Wake up!

Haha, don't take it all so seriously mate. You think one thing, I think another. No point going to war. :)

[umbrex]

No point going to war. :)

and yet more passive aggressiveness:

^ Look at this clear evidence Umbrex!

If that's not clear enough for you I don't know what else you need to believe this theory, this is definitive PROOF - they've got Spaceship bases there and a rainbow city and EVERYTHING!

Wake up!

do u think before you write, or do u just spray ?

[kblood]

Scientists don't know every single last detail concerning planetary bodies, but they know enough to be certain that a hollow earth is friggin' impossible. Unless you wanna claim that the entire concept of gravity is a conspiracy...but if you do, then you need to provide an alternative explanation as to how we manage to walk on the surface of the Earth, and how the supposed inhabitants of the hollow earth manage to walk on its surface upside down (from our perspective) at the same time.

You'll also have to explain the existence of things like magma, coal, crystals, diamonds....things which are created by intense pressure. And explain how the pressure at the bottom of the ocean can be so intense, and then this pressure suddenly stops at the point in which the earth becomes "hollow". And how does the sun burn? How could an "interior sun" even exist within the earth and how do the inhabitants manage to not fall into it?

Point being: The theories that Scientists currently have actually answer questions. The hollow earth theory only raises hundreds of them, which kinda defeats the purpose of a theory.

Not as much as you claim. Gravity is made by matter. Ever played Super Mario Galaxy? It shows quite well how gravity works in some levels, although I have to admit its probably not the best example.

But gravity is that we are simply pulled to where the most matter is, and on the inside of the planet the centrifugal power would also cause gravity. So saying it raises that many questions isnt true. How a sun could exist at the center does raise a question, but the "surface" of the planet would be in that suns EM field, and the inner sun would be in the planets zero point. Some planets actually become suns, so what if the center of a planet is naturally a sun?

Scientists never said that the center of the planet is what pulls us down to Earth, that is my point. I am a bit amazed about how many thinks that is what science says gravity is. Gravity is a mass of matter attracting other masses of matter.

[kblood]

Oh, the picture even shows where the center of gravity is :)

[adzboarder]

I think the Hollow Earth theories would make a great film, something akin to Jurassic Park or King Kong.

Perhaps take an Indiana Jones take on the idea with the forces of darkness (nazi's) trying to locate the hollow earth while our epic adventurers try to stop them. Along the way after almost freezing to death at the top of the globe they enter a world where there are primeval animals roaming who avoided the last ice-age by heading north and ending up in hollow earth. Mammoths, sabre tooth tigers, perhaps some revelation about Dodos not actually being extinct. Perhaps there could be an ancient tribe oblivious to us surface dwellers. Perhaps they don't believe that there could possibly be people living on the planets exterior!

I love the lost world, ancient tribe type films, theres something cool about discovery. Could the hollow earth be the last great discovery?

Thanks all for your input in this, its a very interesting concept and sparks my imagination. Exactly what a forum thread should do. I better get writing the screenplay...

[shadowworks]

I believe the Earth has expanded but I also believe the earth is a magnetic body, and it is not gravity that holds everything together, but electromagnetism.

If you know anything about the Plasma Universe and how 99% of everything is a plasma it predicts expansion, all the planets have changes size as has the Sun.

[mynameis]

I believe the Earth has expanded but I also believe the earth is a magnetic body, and it is not gravity that holds everything together, but electromagnetism.

If you know anything about the Plasma Universe and how 99% of everything is a plasma it predicts expansion, all the planets have changes size as has the Sun.

Gravity exists because gravity does not repel forces unlike electromagnets. Gravitational force is a constant and requires no energy input.

Gravity is the other common force. Newton was the first person to study it seriously, and he came up with the law of universal gravitation:

Each particle of matter attracts every other particle with a force which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

The standard formula for gravity is:

Gravitational force = (G * m1 * m2) / (d2)

where G is the gravitational constant, m1 and m2 are the masses of the two objects for which you are calculating the force, and d is the distance between the centers of gravity of the two masses.
diver pool

We experience gravity and magnetism every day.

G has the value of 6.67 x 10E-8 dyne * cm2/gm2. That means that if you put two 1-gram objects 1 centimeter apart from one another, they will attract each other with the force of 6.67 x 10E-8 dyne. A dyne is equal to about 0.001 gram weight, meaning that if you have a dyne of force available, it can lift 0.001 grams in Earth's gravitational field. So 6.67 x 10E-8 dyne is a miniscule force. When you deal with massive bodies like the Earth, however, which has a mass of 6E+24 kilograms (see this Question of the Day), it adds up to a rather powerful force. It is also interesting to think about the fact that every atom attracts every other atom in the universe in some small way!

If certain assumptions and simplifications are made, Einstein's equations handle Newtonian gravity as a subset.

The question of why atoms attract one another is still not understood. The goal is to combine gravity, electromagnetism and strong and weak nuclear forces into a single unified theory. (Check out this page on quantum gravity string theory.)

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I agree that Hollow Earth is in many ways something that doesnt seem natural, unless todays science has misunderstood and failed to understand what makes up our planet.

I do believe we have vast underground cavesystems though, and I dont think hollow earth theory is impossible. With a topside surface, and a inside surface, it makes for many more ways for mountains, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions to occur. Still it doesnt seem like the natural state of a planet, but why is it we the center of the made of magma then? What causes all this heat? If hollow earth is true but not a natural state, then it could be because Earth is an experiment, and a somewhat artifical planet, created to experiment and learn about the creation of life and all the aspects of it. Many have had the idea that Earth is just that, and certainly would help explain many of the other conspiracy theories around.