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kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 01:32 PM

I'm split on this...

If there's enough people they can't take everyone down. But on the other hand, there's no point having mass demonstrations of people just venting their spleens and letting out anger, which is all it's gonna be. What do they hope to accomplish?

we're going to reclaim the City, thrusting into the very belly of the beast: the Bank of England.Really? that should be interesting...Let's see how long that lasts. They won't have the numbers to make any difference. Like queenofleon said, they'll just get nicked.

The only good that could come out of this is the cops/security in place go apeshit and kill some people, and it's all caught on tape and makes it to mainstream news. It's sad but true; something terrible needs to happen so people sit up and take note.

'A very English revolution!'

That'll take a bit more than a few hundred/a thousand anti-capitalists.

tootrue

26-03-2009, 01:39 PM

http://www.g-20meltdown.org/

On April 1st, we'll show the G20 what meltdown means.

Lost your home? Lost your job? Lost your savings or your pension? This party is for you!

let me guess
you are trying to associate the David icke forum with violence instigation?

gilly

26-03-2009, 01:39 PM

The only good that could come out of this is the cops/security in place go apeshit and kill some people, and it's all caught on tape and makes it to mainstream news. It's sad but true; something terrible needs to happen so people sit up and take note.

Here's where the 10 years behind bars for filming a police officer comes into play!

orderoutofchaos

26-03-2009, 01:40 PM

Isnt this exactly what they want?

If you take to the streets they will nick you.

simples.

They cant arrest everyone. These people that say we must not take direct action, they never come up with an alternative. Do you think people are just gonna sit back and take this shit?

kde_

26-03-2009, 01:40 PM

Stinks!

orderoutofchaos

26-03-2009, 01:40 PM

Here's where the 10 years behind bars for filming a police officer comes into play!

Exactly.

darryl84

26-03-2009, 01:41 PM

Isnt this exactly what they want?

If you take to the streets they will nick you.

simples.

Untrue, peaceful protest is not breaching the peace, therefore common law has not been broken, and thus if one does not consent to being a 'person' they cannot legally be arrested.

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 01:43 PM

Here's where the 10 years behind bars for filming a police officer comes into play!

Too right. That's one of the most insidious laws they've passed. And the public probably don't even know about it.

drhemp

26-03-2009, 01:43 PM

http://www.g-20meltdown.org/

On April 1st, we'll show the G20 what meltdown means.

Lost your home? Lost your job? Lost your savings or your pension? This party is for you!

Oh well, at least if you get stressed you can have a cigarette indoors.

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 01:44 PM

Untrue, peaceful protest is not breaching the peace, therefore common law has not been broken, and thus if one does not consent to being a 'person' they cannot legally be arrested.

It won't be peaceful though, there'll be a sense of anger running through it that's just ready for the A.P's to set alight. When do these people care about law anyway? if they can't arrest you for something you did, they'll make something up.

kde_

26-03-2009, 01:44 PM

This G20 is in London for the riot is it not? Even going is to play in to their hands imo

tootrue

26-03-2009, 01:45 PM

avaruus

26-03-2009, 01:45 PM

i would only protest if i had a horse.

tootrue

26-03-2009, 01:46 PM

It won't be peaceful though, there'll be a sense of anger running through it that's just ready for the A.P's to set alight. When do these people care about law anyway, if they can't arrest you for something you did, they'll make something up.

They say I'm mad... :rolleyes:

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 01:48 PM

The bloody battle of Genoa
When 200,000 anti-globalisation protesters converged on the Italian city hosting the G8 summit in 2001, all but a handful came to demonstrate peacefully. Instead, many were beaten to a pulp by seemingly out-of-control riot police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/17/italy.g8

batou

26-03-2009, 01:50 PM

Action, awesome. Not just empty words or beer politics.

Good on you guys :D

I think...
unless this is all an elaborate sting operation?

tootrue

26-03-2009, 01:52 PM

'What you fight, you become - http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/20744

alzee

26-03-2009, 01:54 PM

Too right. That's one of the most insidious laws they've passed. And the public probably don't even know about it.

almost every person I tell about this law, hasn't heard if it at all.

darryl84

26-03-2009, 01:56 PM

Too right. That's one of the most insidious laws they've passed. And the public probably don't even know about it.

The government have not passed a law forbidding filming of police officers, they have passed 'an act' or 'statute', that has the 'force of law', it is not law, unless you consent to being a person, agree to giving your name to a police officer, state you 'understand' what they are telling you if they speak to you, because by doing the supra, you agree to represent a legal fiction, 'the person'.

So to wrap up dont agree to give your name to police officers or 'understand' them ('stand under' them), there is no law that requires you to and they cant legally arrest or prevent you from doing what you are doing as a man or woman under the jurisdiction of common law.

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 01:57 PM

almost every person I tell about this law, hasn't heard if it at all.

Unfortunately, anyone i've mentioned it to, just says something like "no, i think you're wrong there, course it's not illegal" and that's the end of it. They think just because they don't believe it, it's not happening. I think that's what they call denial!

batou

26-03-2009, 01:57 PM

tl;dr
but you mean like nietzsche "stare into the abyss"?

i disagree..

darryl84

26-03-2009, 01:57 PM

It won't be peaceful though, there'll be a sense of anger running through it that's just ready for the A.P's to set alight. When do these people care about law anyway? if they can't arrest you for something you did, they'll make something up.

Police officers cant legally arrest people if they do not break common law and agree to being a person or understand them. See my last post. :)

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 01:58 PM

The government have not passed a law forbidding filming of police officers, they have passed 'an act' or 'statute', that has the 'force of law', it is not law, unless you consent to being a person, agree to giving your name to a police officer, state you 'understand' what they are telling you if they speak to you, because by doing the supra, you agree to represent a legal fiction, 'the person'.

So to wrap up dont agree to give your name to police officers or 'understand' them ('stand under' them), there is no law that requires you to and they cant legally arrest or prevent you from doing what you are doing as a man or woman under the jurisdiction of common law.

That's all very well, but how many people know what you just said? That freeman on the land stuff is all very well, but no one knows about it. More importantly, most professional photographers don't know about it.tptb know damn well no one understands these things, or has time to study them.

Police officers cant legally arrest people if they do not break common law and agree to being a person or understand them. See my last post. :)

Again, no one out there knows what you're talking about. This is "in theory" correct; in practice a whole different ball game.

Order out of chaos: more chaos ultimately = more order.

gilly

26-03-2009, 01:59 PM

Police officers cant legally arrest people if they do not break common law and agree to being a person or understand them. See my last post. :)

Why don't you watch some of the video clips on other threads, showing police peating the crap out of peaceful protestors - or even, in a one, dislocating & breaking their arms with nanchuks.

Not once did a copper stop in mid truncheon swing to enquire if the victim was a freeman btw.

tootrue

26-03-2009, 02:02 PM

Since we are on a DI forum I will remind you of his words:

'Eternal Conscious in awareness of itself doesn't riot; it is not violent and it doesn't loot. But nor does it ever do, or accept for itself and others, what is not fair, just, loving and kind. Crucially, Consciousness is without fear. When we operate on that level then we can truly claim to be Conscious and not trapped in the illusion called Mind. As Albert Einstein said: 'You cannot solve problems with the same level of consciousness that created them.''

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 02:02 PM

markomac

26-03-2009, 02:02 PM

I would be very, very wary of April the 1st. I just posted this on another thread about project blue beam and some mormon who got a message from Jesus, or something like that. I have a bad feeling about all of this......

I've had a feeling something was going to happen. Maybe even as soon as next week.

I am coming to this conclusion by watching the daily news and plotting where they are trying to take us next.

We have these G20 clowns in town, so they are all in the same place and accounted for. 'hey what conspiracy? We were in London!'.

They love their symbolism, April fools day would be perfect day because theres no need for a terror drill like 9/11 & 7/7, people will see it as a prank or a hoax. The fact that these twats are in town will further add to that.

You've got the mass protests going on. This will add to the confusion and hysteria and a good opportunity to take out a good number of people and get the kill count up.

All the major news networks can get right to the scene in no time.

I keep thinking back to the illuminati card game as well. The image of Big Ben being destroyed. There's a very high chance they will do this eventually.

If it happens we will be all over it like flies on shit trying to find their mistakes and anything else to expose them.

As this will take many months, I think they will kick start another event on the 9th September. 9-9-9 - this will really keep us busy.

This is all just a hunch.

I did have a dream about a plane that crashed in a river and no one got hurt. The hudson happened a month later.

I also dreamt of London being crippled by the worst snow in years... A month later we got that.

I also had a dream I saw a fighter plane firing missiles in the sky in the UK and then there were lots of chinese people everywhere in uniforms. Now this was many months ago and it hasnt happened.

Maybe it's all a co-incidence. But I dont need Jesus to come and tell me theres a big rat in town and I can smell him!

MM

orderoutofchaos

26-03-2009, 02:02 PM

We should all take to the street, in a massive protest - but PEACEFULLY!

And what do you think that will achieve?

tootrue

26-03-2009, 02:06 PM

And what do you think that will achieve?

Everyone will hear the message, and no one would have an excuse to touch us!

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 02:07 PM

Everyone will hear the message, and no one would have an excuse to touch us!

Everyone will here a distorted message after the fact. When all the shit has already gone down.

cinbad

26-03-2009, 02:17 PM

Everyone will hear the message, and no one would have an excuse to touch us!
I'm sure they will have a lot of provocatuers, cops dressed as normal people to start riots like they did in Canada a while back. They were caught out because of the military boots they were wearing. And they were videotaped. So even if you want a peaceful demonstration, they won't let you.

sweety

26-03-2009, 02:22 PM

'What you fight, you become - http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/20744

Truer words have ne'er been spoken!

I'm all for a protest... just as long as it's peaceful.

There will definately be certain individuals or even police insiders who will attempt to stir up violence against the police during the protest.... playing right into their hands like sheep.

.... "You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".
Everyone has a choice. Everyone has the power both individually and collectively to topple empires in days....
In my opinon, violence never works, and when it seemingly does, the toppled government/leadership is replaced by another fascist/socialist/communist/dictatorship/etc leader or government due to the violent mindset of the majority.

This never-ending cycle has been repeated one too many times over hundreds of thousands of years.... the SAME cycle, and nothing on a societal collective level has changed one iota.... it's not even funny anymore.

:(

capi777

26-03-2009, 03:00 PM

I guess it comes down to "How fed up are you?". Those with nothing to lose find the only thing left is courage when the fear melts away; courage to stand up and say NO MORE...WE'VE HAD ENOUGH; courage to live freely. We the people have the majority. And those of us who stand in solidarity and in LOVE will find that a Peacful Non Violent Direct Action educational protest will have far reaching results. We need to educate the people who come to watch as well as those who are participating and know not what they are so angry about. I have been involved in Non Violent Direct Action that was on the verge of becoming a mob scene. The only thing that saved us was the constant observation of the protesters by 'watchers' who quelled any agressiveness as soon as it started. This included watching for any 'infiltrators'.

I understand that tptb have ways of disrupting a peaceful protest and making it look as if we weren't peaceful but that is part of the scare tactics.

If we don't stand up and say I RESIST...if we are too scared....then they have already imprisoned us all.

relaxicab

26-03-2009, 03:19 PM

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 03:22 PM

An aquaintence of mine has recieved an email from her employer to say that all employee's must not wear their business clothes to work on these days, but to take the clothes with them and change once in the office. :rolleyes:

Haha, brilliant. They're that programmed they can't even just say, "don't bother with work clothes today". They still have to bring them and change. What a fucking performance.

WE MUST PRESENT NORMALITY, WE MUST PRESENT NORMALITY, WE MUST PRESENT NORMALITY, WE MUST PRESENT NORMALITY...

relaxicab

26-03-2009, 03:28 PM

Haha, brilliant. They're that programmed they can't even just say, "don't bother with work clothes today". They still have to bring them and change. What a fucking performance.

WE MUST PRESENT NORMALITY, WE MUST PRESENT NORMALITY, WE MUST PRESENT NORMALITY, WE MUST PRESENT NORMALITY...

Aye, it's ludicrous on so many levels. :rolleyes:

queenofleon

26-03-2009, 03:34 PM

Untrue, peaceful protest is not breaching the peace, therefore common law has not been broken, and thus if one does not consent to being a 'person' they cannot legally be arrested.

Since when does peaceful protect work?

It can easily turn into chaos. I would love a peaceful process to work I really would but they are so corrupt the shit would hit the fan somehow.

Like if there was a stampede or something, it could cause mayhem and any excuse for them to kick off. That or hit the crowd with bio weapons. Who knows?

Once the lisbon treaty goes through riots and civil unrest will be punishable by the death penalty, so Im staying put.

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 03:50 PM

Stampede is a good one, don't give em ideas! They might ban protests on health and safety grounds :D

keithm

26-03-2009, 04:02 PM

let me guess
you are trying to associate the David icke forum with violence instigation?

this has nothing to do with me,i just came across this website on the web and thought i'd pass it on for others to read.

unfortunatly i have a broken back and am confined to my bed.

gilly

26-03-2009, 04:06 PM

this has nothing to do with me,i just came across this website on the web and thought i'd pass it on for others to read.

unfortunatly i have a broken back and am confined to my bed.

You did right to put it up for debate imo Keithm, it's stuff that's at the forefront of all our minds at the moment.

Hope you're better soon.

keithm

26-03-2009, 04:07 PM

You did right to put it up for debate imo Keithm, it's stuff that's at the forefront of all our minds at the moment.

Hope you're better soon.

thankyou.

capi777

26-03-2009, 04:32 PM

keithm

26-03-2009, 04:47 PM

ive got a strange feeling that something vey serious is going to happen in london.

maybe some sort of false flag chemical or biological event.

it may be best to avoid london,remember those blackjack pictures in the telegraph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Amh7YUbLw

markomac

26-03-2009, 04:50 PM

ive got a strange feeling that something vey serious is goung to happen in london.

maybe some sort of false flag chemical or biological event.

it may be best to avoid london,remember those blackjack pictures in the telegraph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Amh7YUbLw

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING AS WELL!

I need to go to work though, lol. If I disappear you'll know whats happened to me!

tyler

26-03-2009, 05:20 PM

Me? I might head off to the country for a few days. Anyone got a spare room or shed for me and my dog? We're both house trained!

gilly

26-03-2009, 05:31 PM

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING AS WELL!

I need to go to work though, lol. If I disappear you'll know whats happened to me!

Ring in sick Markomac. Do it!

venividivici2311

26-03-2009, 05:39 PM

A van parkes in front of parlement.
On it,a word:NUKE.
Everybody panics,theres nowhere to run.
The doors pop open,
A banner rolls out.
WITH BIG RED WORDS:

APRIL FOOLS!!!!!

whizzer

26-03-2009, 05:49 PM

I can plainly see that some (and only some) on this thread seem to think that the Freeman concept is going to ..in some way ..come into play and that stating your position ie statute law versus common law , I am a human NOT a person etc will some how help us in this situation ..and it definately would if we were all using the same rule book, HOWEVER and read this carefully..we are NOW living in a country clearly run by criminals (Gov) and when it comes to the crunch the police will be instructed to shoot first and they will think of an excuse later. We are now living in a dictatorship.
I would be the first to say DON'T riot but I would be wasting my breath because people have had enough and when your back is to the wall..when you have lost your house and life savings and your rights, when you see everything that you spent your whole life to work for just disappear people will riot and many will get seriously hurt or even killed. But has the government left the people any choice?
I agree that it would be bliss if we could quite simply hold a peaceful protest but dictatorships will not allow that so if the people can't protest peacefully what do you think the outcome will be? Whatever happens there will be change but who knows what that changes will be, one thing for sure it won't be change for the better IMHO.I hope I'm wrong.

scooby85

26-03-2009, 06:21 PM

the thing about the british general public is that they are basically mugs, theyll get shafted but wont make a fuss about it and just accept it like some sort of docile sheep.. we in england are going to be hit the hardest out of all the countries in europe yet most of us just talk and dont actually do anything, i dont talk about revolution cos i know im not guna do anything..jus yet. look at europe and how they stand up againsts their govts if they go out of line.

people on this forum are like 'yeah the nwo will not succeed we'll bring it down'.. how? it aint guna do jack if u waste all your time writing about wat 99% of people on here already know..
wat im trying to say is that we need action, weve done more than enough talking, wen will this action start or are we just guna keep sayin we need action til its too late?? at this rate we'll all be in a camp somewhere, microchipped still shouting 'the nwo will fail' bollox.

wat we need is a figurehead/leader who nos wat they are doing and ALL of us need to follow him else itll never work...

a good starting point would be to get everyone to stop paying taxes startin from a certain date. tv licences, insurance etc that way we will see the start of their demise

tyler

26-03-2009, 06:28 PM

the nine

26-03-2009, 06:36 PM

I'm sure they will have a lot of provocatuers, cops dressed as normal people to start riots like they did in Canada a while back. They were caught out because of the military boots they were wearing. And they were videotaped. So even if you want a peaceful demonstration, they won't let you.

they did it here in manchester last year..police dressed as civilians rioting with rangers football fans, kicking it all off initially..
its always the same, its an age old trick.

nirvana

26-03-2009, 07:12 PM

They cant arrest everyone. These people that say we must not take direct action, they never come up with an alternative. Do you think people are just gonna sit back and take this shit?

Very true I would like to see more like reclaim the street partys.

http://rts.gn.apc.org/

By sitting back and just being passive is like burying your head in the sand.

Peace:)

nirvana

26-03-2009, 07:15 PM

nirvana

26-03-2009, 07:17 PM

'What you fight, you become - http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/20744

And what you dont fight will dominate and control you.

Peace:)

capi777

26-03-2009, 07:22 PM

I have made a design that I had printed through Cafe Press and I have people asking me about it constantly so I made it available to everyone.

Here is the Cafe Press link where you can actually buy one.

No NWO (http://www.cafepress.com/FreeDreams/6426136)

I am not trying to make any money just spreading the message. The prices you see are what Cafe Press charges a shop owner initially before any markup.

If you have the means to print these yourself then here is the link to the artwork for free...make sure you download the highest resolution for a good print :D

No NWO artwork (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79663856@N00/3236757002/)

fekdemasons

26-03-2009, 07:27 PM

I'm split on this...

If there's enough people they can't take everyone down. But on the other hand, there's no point having mass demonstrations of people just venting their spleens and letting out anger, which is all it's gonna be. What do they hope to accomplish?

Really? that should be interesting...Let's see how long that lasts. They won't have the numbers to make any difference. Like queenofleon said, they'll just get nicked.

The only good that could come out of this is the cops/security in place go apeshit and kill some people, and it's all caught on tape and makes it to mainstream news. It's sad but true; something terrible needs to happen so people sit up and take note.

That'll take a bit more than a few hundred/a thousand anti-capitalists.

Someone dying from a copper going ape is not a good thing. Death is bad ok.

Please reassess...

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 07:28 PM

Someone dying from a copper going ape is not a good thing. Death is bad ok.

Please reassess...

Thanks for that pearl of wisdom :D

Death is not bad it's natural.

It was a bit of a cold remark though and I see your point. I still stand by mine as well, which was that without something terrible happening no one will notice what's gone on, and the nature of these things - along with the help of agents - there will more than likely be some serious incidents which need capturing on camera and releasing.

Yes was there alot of the more radicals turned out to be under cover police.

Peace:)

Yep, that's kind of my point.

the nine

26-03-2009, 07:40 PM

Very true I would like to see more like reclaim the street partys.

http://rts.gn.apc.org/

By sitting back and just being passive is like burying your head in the sand.

Peace:)

me too, i hope they bring out the cycle powered decks rig, along with the old school and acid techno..happy days :D

and justice for all

26-03-2009, 07:44 PM

And what you dont fight will dominate and control you.

Peace:)

Very true.
But people prefer the: “What you fight, you become” because it gives them the excuse TO DO NOTHING.

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 07:46 PM

Very true.
But people prefer the: “What you fight, you become” because it gives them the excuse TO DO NOTHING.

The truth is nobody's right or wrong, it's all subjective...There's positives/negatives to both arguments.

deem

26-03-2009, 07:48 PM

Telling a policeman who is hell bent on arresting you, that you "dont understand" will i imagine make no difference at all. Its your word against his, and as many of his collegues as he can dig up to corrobarate his version of avents.

fekdemasons

26-03-2009, 07:52 PM

Thanks for that pearl of wisdom :D

Death is not bad it's natural.

It was a bit of a cold remark though and I see your point. I still stand by mine as well, which was that without something terrible happening no one will notice what's gone on, and the nature of these things - along with the help of agents - there will more than likely be some serious incidents which need capturing on camera and releasing.

Yep, that's kind of my point.

I agree death is natural , Premature death via serious brain tauma is not natural , its avoidable.

However , what about a million people converging to this thing ? That would send a message ? There may be a few skirmnishes but the police would be totally outnumbered.

Trouble is there is no leader , No public figure of reputation to lead this protest. Where the F*ck are bono , sting , geldof and all those hypocrites.

Wheres the concert to raise money for struggling families and the unemployed.

They'll be safely tucked up in thier mansions , holiday homes I presume..

and justice for all

26-03-2009, 07:57 PM

The truth is nobody's ever right or wrong, it's all subjective...There's positives/negatives to both arguments.

That just an argument people make not to offend anybody (because of vanity - loosing popularity) and to feel better about themselves.
Truth, Right and wrong aren't "subjective".

deem

26-03-2009, 07:58 PM

Fuck me! Capi, you charge enough four your t.shirts mate.

cleft_asunder

26-03-2009, 08:03 PM

http://www.g-20meltdown.org/

On April 1st, we'll show the G20 what meltdown means.

Lost your home? Lost your job? Lost your savings or your pension? This party is for you!

Fail this will be.

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 08:06 PM

That just an argument people make not to offend anybody (because of vanity - loosing popularity) and to feel better about themselves.
Truth, Right and wrong aren't "subjective".

Of course they. That's just arrogance talking because you believe yourself to be right and anyone who disagrees is wrong. There are certain issues that most people agree on, but for the majority of time, one person's version of right differs from the next man's.

cleft_asunder

26-03-2009, 08:07 PM

capi777

26-03-2009, 08:11 PM

That is exactly the idea I had in mind....Celebration of Life!

This is exactly what we need ....the opposite of what they think we'll do.

In my past life I used to frequent a Grateful Dead concert every once in a while. This usually took place in a major metrpolitan area over a few days that always had a huge police presence.
The first day they (police) would be on guard and giving people shit. But we only showed them love by whatever means...By the second day spontaneous smiles would break across the faces of fascism and they would catch themselves initiating real conversation with the concert goers. By the third day you would have the state police the sheriffs and the local police all wearing tie dies with their badges on necklaces around their necks...grinning from ear to ear...telling all of us to have a great show.

I think the reason this happened is that love and good vibes are contagious. But not only that. We policed ourselves. When you can have 50,000 people get together and not 1 fight breaks out or any other unruly behaviour happens...then I think we are doing something right.

I know you're saying "But that is a concert and a fun atmosphere"
I say yes it was. But the same result could be achieved through Non Violent Dancing Action...oops I mean Direct Action.

I say that we don't need a leader we need a focal point. The idea of the non leader (Ken Keasy and Robert Heinlen's Stranger in a Strange Land) is one that resonates heavily with me. By having a focal point and a no leader will make us all leaders by default. Cut off the head and the rest will die. If there is no head (Leader) there will be life and continuity.

I don't know why but I feel I need to put in here something I remember from R. Buckminster Fuller. He said something to the effect that a species that specializes in one particular thing is soon to be an extinct species. Others that have diversified their existence will ensure evolutionary progession..

gilly

26-03-2009, 08:14 PM

Very true.
But people prefer the: “What you fight, you become” because it gives them the excuse TO DO NOTHING.

That sounds like emotional blackmail to goad people into doing something that might be against their better judgment. People need to weigh up the pros & cons carefully, and do what they feel is right, without that type of pressure.

and justice for all

26-03-2009, 08:19 PM

...There are certain issues that most people agree on, but for the majority of time, one person's version of right differs from the next man's.

You’re only describing the fallibility (imperfection) of man, (duh!) and their disagreements amongst themselves.
Truth and Right (Good) are perfect essences that do remain unchanged and unperturbed by men flawed and ignorant judgments. Hence they’re not subjective.

and justice for all

26-03-2009, 08:24 PM

That sounds like emotional blackmail to goad people into doing something [...]

lol, sore spot! uh :D

I seriously thought that “doing nothing” was the number one pass time in the UK... after drinking themselves senseless and throwing up on the streets that is...

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 08:25 PM

You’re only describing the fallibility (imperfection) of man, (duh!) and their disagreements amongst themselves.
Truth and Right (Good) are perfect essences that do remain unchanged and unperturbed by men flawed and ignorant judgments. Hence they’re not subjective.

Utter rubbish.

Who or what is the source of these "perfect essences" that "do remain unchanged"? Who determines them?

"flawed man"..."their disagreement"..."themselves"... Take it you don't count yourself with us "flawed" ones then?? Sounds like freemasonic bullshit to me...

I seriously thought that “doing nothing” was the number one pass time in the UK... after drinking themselves senseless and throwing up on the streets that is... :rolleyes::rolleyes: Haven't you got a lodge to attend this evening? Or an owl to worship?

grenadene

26-03-2009, 08:29 PM

I don't know what to think about this stay indoors attitude. A lot of people are bound to be arrested...it happens in times of impending economic doom I'm not advocating rioting and with a bit of luck enough legit protesters (and I credit them with some sense) will be fully aware of the agent provocateurs and will shun them accordingly. I might be a bit naive but i think we should be the first people to support anyone's right to peacefully protest. A whole new way of living isn't just going to peacefully pop up overnight, some people will try using violence, on both sides...I'm not saying this is right and I personally have no intention of hitting anyone with a spade unless absolutely necessary.

But, if we fear taking to the streets and saying NO then they have won... game over! We are the public they are our fucking streets. There will be no gradual awakening because it's too late for that, we never had the time to commentate at our leisure and the pivotal time is nearly here. The ptb throw out so many webs of deceit that it drives us half crazy and scares us into inactivity. So the noose gets tighter because they don't have to 'totalitarian tiptoe' They never have to stand back from public opinion because there is no public opinion, the public are currently out buying Jade Goody supplements... these governmentalists are stampeding at us!

and justice for all

26-03-2009, 08:36 PM

Haven't you got a lodge to attend this evening? Or an owl to worship?

Says the guy with huge skull on his avatar. LOL! :D (Off to my lodge then!) Hilarious!

... "flawed man"..."their disagreement"..."themselves"... Take it you don't count yourself with us "flawed" ones then?? Sounds like freemasonic bullshit to me...

And I take it you’re just looking for an argument (are you bored? nothing better to do? maybe throwing that television way wasn‘t such a good idea after all...) for the sake of arguing.
Sorry I pass, not interested in that.

PS: Don't insist it ain't happening. But I bet we all know what you're gonna do next.....:rolleyes:

capi777

26-03-2009, 08:41 PM

Fuck me! Capi, you charge enough four your t.shirts mate.

The NWO shirts are at the price that Cafe Press charges to us that have shops. Also all prices are in US dollars. I do agree that the prices are a little steep to begin with but I guess they justify that with the service they provide. I am making no profit on these. If you looked at some of the other shirts out there they do not reflect accurate pricing. I was messing with the mark up (profit) and didn't change it back to what it was. The original markup on the other shirts is $3. This is in no way a business for me. I put up this shop as an easy way for my friends who frequently request artwork from me and don't have the means to print them.

EDIT: I also provided a link to the artwork for no charge at all. Feel free to use it.

kingmonkey

26-03-2009, 08:46 PM

PS: Don't insist it ain't happening. But I bet we all know what you're gonna do next.....:rolleyes:

Sorry? Don't follow...

hellosatellites

26-03-2009, 08:47 PM

[QUOTE=fekdemasons;887411]

Trouble is there is no leader , No public figure of reputation to lead this protest. Where the F*ck are bono , sting , geldof and all those hypocrites.

Wheres the concert to raise money for struggling families and the unemployed.

They'll be safely tucked up in thier mansions , holiday homes I presume..QUOTE]

Hello Robbie Williams :) This would be a wonderful time for you to shine your stuff, darling :)

gilly

26-03-2009, 09:34 PM

lol, sore spot! uh :D

I seriously thought that “doing nothing” was the number one pass time in the UK... after drinking themselves senseless and throwing up on the streets that is...

A bit of an ignorant comment, even if it is followed by a laughing smiley!

If you've decided to do something rash, go for it. Or are you looking for a crowd to hide behind? :p

darryl84

26-03-2009, 10:22 PM

That's all very well, but how many people know what you just said? That freeman on the land stuff is all very well, but no one knows about it. More importantly, most professional photographers don't know about it.tptb know damn well no one understands these things, or has time to study them.

Again, no one out there knows what you're talking about. This is "in theory" correct; in practice a whole different ball game.

Order out of chaos: more chaos ultimately = more order.

Then you educate the police officer, tell him to refer to his higher rank, and he will find out what is being told to him is indeed factual. If your light hearted with the officer, this knowledge will be communicated better, and open his mind a bit.

darryl84

26-03-2009, 10:27 PM

Why don't you watch some of the video clips on other threads, showing police peating the crap out of peaceful protestors - or even, in a one, dislocating & breaking their arms with nanchuks.

Not once did a copper stop in mid truncheon swing to enquire if the victim was a freeman btw.

It's all about how you communicate yourself, video clips can be deceiving, what happened before those beatings, etc? Avoiding situations where violence is instigated by people (possibly agents, or through ignorance) or leave those places as soon as it looks like some people are trying to stir shit up.

Violence breeds violence, is that really a surprise to anyone? Does anyone truly expect violence to manifest peace some how? What kind of logic is that?

Peace for peace! Ghandi, wise man, once said many great things, one being, "an eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind". :)

darryl84

26-03-2009, 10:33 PM

Since when does peaceful protect work?

It can easily turn into chaos. I would love a peaceful process to work I really would but they are so corrupt the shit would hit the fan somehow.

Like if there was a stampede or something, it could cause mayhem and any excuse for them to kick off. That or hit the crowd with bio weapons. Who knows?

Once the lisbon treaty goes through riots and civil unrest will be punishable by the death penalty, so Im staying put.

Why could peaceful protests not work?

Why can a peaceful protest easily turn into chaos? Presuming there are not any agent provocateurs (state workers?), or ignorance manifesting. Who is so corrupt? the state? Who in the state? the police officers? every police officer? they are human beings to, they can be communicated to, peaceul action and intention results in peaceful responses, presuming the above does not happen, and then the areas in question can be abandoned as soon as shit fanning looks likely.

Why would there be a stampede? I guess the answer comes from the above information i wrote. What bio weapons have police been given legal jurisdiction to use?

Where are you getting this information about a death penalty for being caught up in a riot?

Not having a go! Just curious as to where your informaton is coming from. Peace! :)

cleft_asunder

26-03-2009, 11:15 PM

What does it matter if they allow a peaceful protest? The best they ever do is little effects, and nothing lasting. Usually, they produce nothing. As Icke says, the only true protest is the one where we as a nation or species refuse to comply to the authority systems. And that will only happen when fear ends. And fear ends only when the body/mind isn't taken as real. People who believe that they will die are a people in fear. That's why this conspiracy has not ended after 300,000+ years.

informationtransit

26-03-2009, 11:48 PM

I think it would be amusing if nobody did turn up... i mean it was quoted earlier on the bbc that they have spent 7million on security, and that police from all boroughs of london and outside i.e sussex and essex are being drafted in. And i feel sure members of the eu police will also be along.

This is a huge operation for them which they have been planning for sometime i suspect. They have been telling us rioting will happen over the last month or so.
Could you imagine all of them just standing there? with people just going about their business, they would think what the fuck is going on here!

Remember that they decide when people are allowed to protest or not and i think it would be funny if people turn round and say "actually i don't feel like it today, but thanks for the offer anyway".
Would doing nothing achieve anything? Would doing something achieve anything?
If they were all armed and geared up, ready and waiting, and nobody showed up, it would further emphasize just how extreme the policing of the "people" really is.

Also it's funny that the anarchists, who advocate operating outside the law and it's society are the first one's to jump at the chance of protesting when the authorities allow them to.

I am in complete disagreement with their "hang a banker" slogans, it is almost as though they are the establishments anti establishment team, somehow working in tandem.

Of course i know that people will turn up and the whole operation will go ahead as planned, and it may even set the precedent for how the future protests they are planning will go.

guuna

27-03-2009, 01:27 AM

An aquaintence of mine has recieved an email from her employer to say that all employee's must not wear their business clothes to work on these days, but to take the clothes with them and change once in the office. :rolleyes:

I hope for their sakes that the rioters don't then target everyone with bags, knowing thier likely city workers with a change of clothes.

guuna

27-03-2009, 01:34 AM

the government have some very powerful weapons to stop any rioting dead in it's tracks. 1)Eastenders 2)Corrie 3)Premiership football.

:rolleyes:

fekdemasons

27-03-2009, 01:35 AM

You can bet your backside that any cctv footage wont come to light if it does kick off.

THe only interviews will be with stooges or police

scooby85

27-03-2009, 01:37 AM

Righto, Scooby. What are YOU doing? Will you be at the G20 demo? Have you stopped paying taxes?
Do you buy Israeli products?
Are you boycotting MacDonalds?
Are you wearing a T-shirt with a Stop the NWO message on it?
Are you active locally?
How do you spread the message?
Have you informed anybody today about what fluoride does to them?
Have you posted any links to the Obama Deception video?
Are you stockpiling cans of food?

What else are you doing?

i cant say everything im doing/planning to do on here but i dont pay any taxes put it that way..
i try and avoid isreali products
nope no tshirt but have explained the nwo to alot of people
not active locally yet but im spreading info thru facebook, my local mosque (im a muslim)
iv informed my friends and family about flouride so far
yes i have linked the obama deception on my fb
and no i havnt started stockpiling food yet as i dont think theres an immediate need for that.

uv got to remember that my religion has warned me about these group of people and it is every muslims duty to fight these bastids, even to death if necessary. so i aint worried man, i no we the people will overcome them, not saying its guna be easy but its gods promise... when the shit hits the fan all the muslims will unite and hopefully others will unite with us to defeat the common enemy

fekdemasons

27-03-2009, 01:41 AM

i cant say everything im doing/planning to do on here but i dont pay any taxes put it that way..
i try and avoid isreali products
nope no tshirt but have explained the nwo to alot of people
not active locally yet but im spreading info thru facebook, my local mosque (im a muslim)
iv informed my friends and family about flouride so far
yes i have linked the obama deception on my fb
and no i havnt started stockpiling food yet as i dont think theres an immediate need for that.

uv got to remember that my religion has warned me about these group of people and it is every muslims duty to fight these bastids, even to death if necessary. so i aint worried man, when the shit hits the fan all the muslims will unite and hopefully others will unite with us to defeat the common enemy

That would be cool if it happened. All religions and races together in a common cause. This is the very reason we are bombarded with crap in the papers. TO cause division , while we point fingers at each other over cultural differences etc we are taking our eyes off the ball.

the nine

27-03-2009, 02:46 AM

the nine

27-03-2009, 02:57 AM

It's all about how you communicate yourself, video clips can be deceiving, what happened before those beatings, etc? Avoiding situations where violence is instigated by people (possibly agents, or through ignorance) or leave those places as soon as it looks like some people are trying to stir shit up.

Violence breeds violence, is that really a surprise to anyone? Does anyone truly expect violence to manifest peace some how? What kind of logic is that?

Peace for peace! Ghandi, wise man, once said many great things, one being, "an eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind". :)

that is exactly what I would say if I was out numbered..:D

the nine

27-03-2009, 03:07 AM

Why could peaceful protests not work?

Why can a peaceful protest easily turn into chaos? Presuming there are not any agent provocateurs (state workers?), or ignorance manifesting. Who is so corrupt? the state? Who in the state? the police officers? every police officer? they are human beings to, they can be communicated to, peaceul action and intention results in peaceful responses, presuming the above does not happen, and then the areas in question can be abandoned as soon as shit fanning looks likely.

Why would there be a stampede? I guess the answer comes from the above information i wrote. What bio weapons have police been given legal jurisdiction to use?

Where are you getting this information about a death penalty for being caught up in a riot?

Not having a go! Just curious as to where your informaton is coming from. Peace! :)

I think the only way for a peaceful protest, is for the protesters to silence the trouble makers within the groups whilst protesting.. an unconscious provocateur carries no sway with the crowd!

also, I know your heart is right, but those police on these marches are hand picked, well paid and very motivated.. you really need experience before posting on this issue man.. its a totally new situation to you, honest!

would any high rankers choose good souls to carry out their illegal works against peaceful citizens voicing their concerns, if they wanted to achieve a specific result?

your heart and your logic are all you need to decide what action to take and who is acting immorally, in these deceitful times!

peace + love :D

the nine

27-03-2009, 03:12 AM

the government have some very powerful weapons to stop any rioting dead in it's tracks. 1)Eastenders 2)Corrie 3)Premiership football.

:rolleyes:

lol
old faithful.. they have been providing peace and stability for years, the can even sway voters to decide a rigged election..:D

darryl84

27-03-2009, 11:26 AM

I think the only way for a peaceful protest, is for the protesters to silence the trouble makers within the groups whilst protesting.. an unconscious provocateur carries no sway with the crowd!

also, I know your heart is right, but those police on these marches are hand picked, well paid and very motivated.. you really need experience before posting on this issue man.. its a totally new situation to you, honest!

would any high rankers choose good souls to carry out their illegal works against peaceful citizens voicing their concerns, if they wanted to achieve a specific result?

your heart and your logic are all you need to decide what action to take and who is acting immorally, in these deceitful times!

peace + love :D

This, like life is not a complicated matter, peace is the way to peace! All we need to do is love each other and everything else will come from that. That might sound airy fairy, and so be it, a lot of parts of one consciousness are deluding themselves they are not part of the one, love is what communicates and then manifests truth to those parts and reminds them of their true relationship to everything.