About Newgrange

[pedsi]

Does anybody have any ideas about the reasons for the construction of newgrange in the boyne valley in southern Ireland... I visited the site last year after having read about it in a book called uriels machine by robert lomas and christopher knight the authors of the hiram key books.

In the book they suggest that the mound at newgrange may have been built as a way of tracking the movements of venus across the heavens and also claim that this may be the place where enoch the masonic bible character was taken by the angels to meet god and was told of the impending great flood,apparently enoch was noahs grandfather..

The explanation you are given by the guides when you go there is that this is some sort of ancient buriel chamber although they admit this is pure speculation.
bearing in mind that this place is older than the pyramids in egypt and was built before metal tools were in use it seems to be a lot of bother to go to just to use as a buriel chamber.

for anyone who isn't aware of this remarkable site you can have a look here

http://www.knowth.com/newgrange.htm

Newgrange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[eternal_spirit]

It's also aligned to the soltices been stuff on Tv. Old bones found inside.

[pedsi]

thats right ES...Not only is it aligned with the winter solstice which allows the sunlight on that day to light up the internal chamber but also once every 8yrs when venus appears before sunrise as the bright morning star the chamber also becomes illuminated...Ive never heard about that on any of the documentries ive seen????

As we know the pentagram is probably the most well known of all the occult symbols and originated from following the movements of venus across the sun.This suggests to me that newgrange is a very special place indeed as far as the understanding of ancient knowledge is concerned even more so than the more popular(mainstream)attractions like stone henge and the pyramids.
the fact that they found some old bones in there seems like a rather convenient cover story to me.

[pedsi]

Hi mods could you move this thread to the mysteries/symbolism section please

[hagbard_celine]

I read a great book once called "Ireland- Land of the Pharaohs" which cpoke of Newgrange as part of a global network of monuments that includes the Pyramids. Apparently it's lined up to the winter solstice sunrise, but this unrise cahnges over a 26,000 year cycle because of precession; but the effect takes this into account and is built so that the winter solstice sunrise shines into the chamber throughout the cycle. This means it's builders knew about precession! They had to have been master astronomers.

[mcmenek1]

Hi callybhoy,

The Boyne valley is the location of many of Irelands megalithic monuments so the spirit and the energy of this place was held in high regard by ancient people who built them .............. Because of this I have always wondered about the true reasons for the Battle of the Boyne............was the Battle of the Boyne engineered by “The Powers That Be” to have a negative effect on the spirit and the energy of this sacred place........I have always been suspicious why this particular site was chosen for the Battle........

I hope to visit Newgrange one day it looks like an amazing place thanks for the links.......:)


Love
&
Peace

[hagbard_celine]

... Because of this I have always wondered about the true reasons for the Battle of the Boyne............was the Battle of the Boyne engineered by “The Powers That Be” to have a negative effect on the spirit and the energy of this sacred place........I have always been suspicious why this particular site was chosen for the Battle........



You'd love the book I mentioned above!

According to its author Andrew Power, a member of the Orange Order, the whole thing was a solar ritual. It achieved very little in military terms and to this day, metal detector-hunters are surprised at how little cannoballs, bullets and other wreakage is dug up on the site. The two protagonists represented Horus and the Unicorn and they timed the battle to start exactly when Mars was rising. It's too much to explain here.

[mcmenek1]

You'd love the book I mentioned above!

According to its author Andrew Power, a member of the Orange Order, the whole thing was a solar ritual. It achieved very little in military terms and to this day, metal detector-hunters are surprised at how little cannoballs, bullets and other wreakage is dug up on the site. The two protagonists represented Horus and the Unicorn and they timed the battle to start exactly when Mars was rising. It's too much to explain here.

Hi hagbard_celine,

That sounds really interesting........what you say confirms my suspicions about the true reasons for this battle taking place where it did.......I will look out for that book....thanks:)

Love
&
Peace

[synergy777]

http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancientsites/tara/

The Hill of Tara, known as Temair in gaeilge, was once the ancient seat of power in Ireland – 142 kings are said to have reigned there in prehistoric and historic times. In ancient Irish religion and mythology Temair was the sacred place of dwelling for the gods, and was the entrance to the otherworld. Saint Patrick is said to have come to Tara to confront the ancient religion of the pagans at its most powerful site.

One interpretation of the name Tara says that it means a "place of great prospect" and indeed on a clear day it is claimed that features in half the counties of Ireland can be seen from atop Tara. In the distance to the northwest can be seen the brilliant white quartz front of Newgrange and further north lies the Hill of Slane, where according to legend St. Patrick lit his Pascal fire prior to his visit to Tara in 433 AD.


Early in the 20th century a group of Israelites came to Tara with the conviction that the Arc of the Covenant was buried in on the famous hill. They dug the Mound of the Synods in search of the Arc but found only some Roman coins. Official excavation in the 1950s revealed circles of post holes, indicating the construction of substantial buildings here. A new theory suggests Tara was the ancient capital of the lost kingdom of Atlantis. The mythical land of Atlantis was Ireland, according to a new book.

There are a large number of monuments and earthen structures on the Hill of Tara. The earliest settlement at the site was in the Neolithic, and the Mound of the Hostages was constructed in or around 2500BC. There are over thirty monuments which are visible, and probably as many again which have no visible remains on the surface but which have been detected using special non-intrusive archaeological techniques and aerial photography. A huge temple measuring 170 metres and made of over 300 wooden posts, was discovered recently at Tara. Only two monuments at Tara have been excavated - The Mound of the Hostages in the 1950s, and the Rath of the Synods at the turn of the 19th-20th Centuries. Click here to see a comprehensive map of the monuments on Tara. Click here for the

Sitting on top of the King's Seat (Forradh) of Temair is the most famous of Tara's monuments - Ireland's ancient coronation stone - the Lia Fail or "Stone of Destiny", which was brought here according to mythology by the godlike people, the Tuatha Dé Danann, as one of their sacred objects. It was said to roar when touched by the rightful king of Tara.


WHICH STONE?

Formerly located just north of the Mound of the Hostages (see map), it was moved to its current site after the Battle of Tara during the Irish revolution of 1798 to mark the graves of 400 rebels who died here. Some say the true Stone of Destiny was formerly the Pillow of Jacob from the Old Testament. They also claim it was flat and that it was moved from Tara by King Fergus of Scotland and was named the Stone of Scone which then became the coronation stone of British kings at Westminster Cathedral. Many historians accept that the present granite pillar at Tara is the true Stone of Destiny, but a number of people have argued that the Stone of Scone is in fact the real thing. One legend states that it was only one of four stones positioned at the cardinal directions on Tara - and it is interesting to note that the Hall of Tara, the ancient political centre of Ireland, is aligned North-South.

The following verse is from the Dindshenchas story about how Tara got its name:

Cathair Crofhind ('twas not amiss), was its name under the Tuatha De Danand, till there came Tea, never unjust, the wife of Erimon lofty of mien.
Round her house was built a rampart, by Tea daughter of Lugaid;
she was buried beyond the wall without, so that from her is Temair named.
The Seat of the Kings was its name: the kingly line of the Milesians reigned in it: five names accordingly were given it from the time when it was Fordruim till it was Temair. Read the rest here.

The Mound of the Hostages
The "Mound of the Hostages" is a megalithic 'passage tomb' and is the oldest monument on the hill of Tara, dating to about 2,500BC. The name "Mound of the Hostages" derives from the custom of overkings like those at Tara retaining important personages from subject kingdoms to ensure their submission.

One of the legendary kings of Tara was named Niall of the Nine Hostages in recognition of the fact that he held hostages from all the provinces of Ireland and from Britain.

more at the link. this is the place that just remains like stuck record in my head about eire/arya. apparently a king will return and free eire.

[synergy777]

http://www.wotmania.com/faqtopic.asp?ID=173

Hill of Tara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.heritageireland.ie/en/HistoricSites/East/HillofTaraMeath/

http://www.hilloftara.info/
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[synergy777]

Tuatha Dé Danann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/tuatha_de_danann.html

http://www.shee-eire.com/Magic&Mythology/Races/Tuatha-De-Danann/Page1.htm

[synergy777]

Qumran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

could people from here have gone to eire?

[hagbard_celine]

Actually it's good time to mention this:

A newly discovered ancient monument on the hill of Tara is under threat! The proposed route of the new M3 motorway will destroy it!

There's a pettion you can sign and a letter to Michael Gormley, the Irish environment minister. With enough public pressure maybe they won't "pave paradise to put up a parking lot".

[hagbard_celine]

Hi hagbard_celine,

That sounds really interesting........what you say confirms my suspicions about the true reasons for this battle taking place where it did.......I will look out for that book....thanks:)

Love
&
Peace

Hi, Mcmenek.

Here you go:http://www.breakfornews.com/returntotara/homepage.htm

Also, listen to the radio interview with the author (click the link in the box on the page). I guarentee it will blow your mind!

[pedsi]

Hi callybhoy,

The Boyne valley is the location of many of Irelands megalithic monuments so the spirit and the energy of this place was held in high regard by ancient people who built them .............. Because of this I have always wondered about the true reasons for the Battle of the Boyne............was the Battle of the Boyne engineered by “The Powers That Be” to have a negative effect on the spirit and the energy of this sacred place........I have always been suspicious why this particular site was chosen for the Battle........

I hope to visit Newgrange one day it looks like an amazing place thanks for the links.......:)


Love
&
Peace

hi there mcmenek
something that struck me when i visited newgrange was the cruciform shape of the chamber inside that is light up by the sun...the sun(son) on the cross.
Allso the connections with the movements of venus which when observed can be used to corrolate time over a 40yr period to within a couple of seconds.This could be why the number 40 features so much in the bible ie 40 days and 40 nights, fasted for 40 days etc and allso the saying life begins at 40.
A good book to read before you go if you haven't already is uriels machine that I mentioned earlier,they give possible explanations to the meaning of the art and symbols which adorn the chamber and some of the stones outside,one things for sure im sure you'll leave with more questions than answers.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.windows.ucar.edu/the_universe/uts/images/newgrange_big.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link%3D/the_universe/uts/images/newgrange_big_jpg_image.html&h=436&w=611&sz=59&hl=en&start=32&tbnid=k9Z4bd-iW3psYM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnewgrange%26start%3D20%26gbv%3D2%26nd sp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

[pedsi]

I read a great book once called "Ireland- Land of the Pharaohs" which cpoke of Newgrange as part of a global network of monuments that includes the Pyramids. Apparently it's lined up to the winter solstice sunrise, but this unrise cahnges over a 26,000 year cycle because of precession; but the effect takes this into account and is built so that the winter solstice sunrise shines into the chamber throughout the cycle. This means it's builders knew about precession! They had to have been master astronomers.

Hi hagbard

any ideas where i could get hold of that book,I clicked on the link on your other post but it seems to be out of print............

cheers ...callybhoy

[hagbard_celine]

Hi hagbard

any ideas where i could get hold of that book,I clicked on the link on your other post but it seems to be out of print............

cheers ...callybhoy

Damn! I can't believe it's already out of print; it's only about a year old! Try contacting the author. Also Michael Tsarion will have a copy or two.

I'd lend you my own copy if someone hadn't already borrowed it. When I get it back I'll pass it on to you.

Anyway, what did you think of the radio show and website?

[pedsi]

Wasn't able to listen to the interview..im on an older pc,my other ones in hospital..............
I'll see what I can do about getting hold of the book it looks really interesting.Ive had this ancient ireland sun worship stuff in my head for a while now could be just the ticket....

cheers mate

[mcmenek1]

Hi, Mcmenek.

Here you go:http://www.breakfornews.com/returntotara/homepage.htm

Also, listen to the radio interview with the author (click the link in the box on the page). I guarentee it will blow your mind!

Hi hagbard_celine,

I’ve just listened to the radio interview........Wow!!......what amazing information very interesting indeed...........with all the symbolism represented by the battle and even the symbolism of the Orange order parades today........it just goes to show that main events both past and present quite often have a symbolic significance that most of us are totally unaware of, and these events have been totally staged managed by “The Powers That Be” into taking place........like the author says he has only scratched the surface of this with his book........our true history tells a very different story to the one we are lead to believe......

I’m looking forward to getting a copy of the book when it’s back in print

Thanks for the link hagbard_celine great stuff...........:)

Love
&
Peace

[hagbard_celine]

Hi hagbard_celine,

I’ve just listened to the radio interview........Wow!!......what amazing information very interesting indeed...........with all the symbolism represented by the battle and even the symbolism of the Orange order parades today........it just goes to show that main events both past and present quite often have a symbolic significance that most of us are totally unaware of, and these events have been totally staged managed by “The Powers That Be” into taking place........like the author says he has only scratched the surface of this with his book........our true history tells a very different story to the one we are lead to believe......

I’m looking forward to getting a copy of the book when it’s back in print

Thanks for the link hagbard_celine great stuff...........:)

Love
&
Peace

You're welcome.
:)

Check out Michael Tsarion in the meantime. He's a friend of Andrew Power and a fellow Ulsterman. He's gone a bit deeper than the surface.

[hagbard_celine]

Wasn't able to listen to the interview..im on an older pc,my other ones in hospital..............
I'll see what I can do about getting hold of the book it looks really interesting.Ive had this ancient ireland sun worship stuff in my head for a while now could be just the ticket....

cheers mate

It's really worth listening to when you get you new PC back. I'll also let you know if a new ediction of the book comes out. Keep a look out in case Power publishes any other titles.