Who Here is a Freeman??

[aldrin]

Just so that I can understand this 'movement' if you will, can all FMOTL make themselves aware to me and others, so that we can differintiate between thought and experience.

[aldrin]

No-one?? Ok

Sorry if it felt like I was trying to single you out.

[chesterd]

Everyone is they just haven't looked within yet.:)
Peace Chester

[aldrin]

Everyone is they just haven't looked within yet.:)
Peace Chester
I like your mind Chesterd!!

I am also, from within, but i was hoping to get those who have 'officially' freed their beings from slavery

Peace

[rob menard]

ME!

And I am lonely.

Where is everyone?

:D

Rob

[yozhik]

ME!

And I am lonely.

Where is everyone?

:D

Rob

We're all busy doing our homework!!!
You know Teacher Rob ... the homework YOU set us :P

[chesterd]

I'm right here Rob, just had my head in Black's and Bouvier's trying to out fox a solicitor :D
Chester

[aldrin]

Well hello all...

And a big hello to you, Rob...You're like a couple of matchsticks to my heavy eyelids. I am in awe of what you are achieving :)

Can i ask 1 question to you all...How would the FMOTL work for a non-trade skilled husband and father of 3, who sees the sh*t around him but believes he has to stay in this sh*t for the sake of his family (i.e Tax Credits etc)

I'm not asking for 'legal' advice but would like your honest opinions on what options, if i go down this route, would be available to me.

Peace to all

Aldrin

[yozhik]

I'm right here Rob, just had my head in Black's and Bouvier's trying to out fox a solicitor :D
Chester

If you want some REAL entertainment and have some questionable desire to see some REAL legal egos mass-debating, then go and check out swarb.co.uk :D

I would suggest you have never seen as much brazen arrogance and arguments void of all reason (common, not legal) in your life.

Let me quote a snippet from my favourite post so far;
Quote:
They cannot govern (without individual consent) any entity that is greater in status than they are.


why the hell not. What has your consent to do with it?

:eek:

... and that comes from a lawyer????
Frightening ... truly frightening.

[john white]

ME!

And I am lonely.

Where is everyone?

:D

Rob

Right here Rob :)

[john white]

Everyone is they just haven't looked within yet.:)
Peace Chester

Love it :)

[tien an]

Still in training, but preparing myself bit by bit.

As yozhik pointed out, there's so much "homework" to do...so much ground to cover before taking the step that I'd have long taken by now, were I not married and a father.

I hasten to add that even having begun researching this subject has expanded my consciousness in a way nothing has ever done before and it can only be a (short) matter of time before I'm there with the rest of you.

Wishing you and all well,

Tien An.

[chesterd]

If you want some REAL entertainment and have some questionable desire to see some REAL legal egos mass-debating, then go and check out swarb.co.uk :D

I would suggest you have never seen as much brazen arrogance and arguments void of all reason (common, not legal) in your life.

Let me quote a snippet from my favourite post so far;


:eek:

... and that comes from a lawyer????
Frightening ... truly frightening.

I just popped over to that site for the first and last time.I read the 3 pages of posting you mention Yozhik and I have to say, I have never seen a more abhorrent bunch in my life.If that's the kind on knowledge you can expect from paying a lawyer I think I'll go it alone.Good grief I hope one of those so called "experts" comes across someone with half the true knowledge that's floating around on the net.If they came up against someone with anymore than half I have the feeling that after the case they might find themselves without a liability bond , for it would have been liquidated.

Peace Chester

[h2pogo]

my understanding so far is if you claim state benefits you will have problems as a humanbeing claiming your rights.
hence only one uk freeman so far.

its like were accepting bribes :(

[aldrin]

Tbh, when i first took notice of this movement, it wasn't the 'no tax paid' or the 'stock' held in our Birth Certs, but the issue of being fully responsible for my actions - heck with 3 kids i cannot afford not to be responsible :)

As i try to digest everything posted, linked or presented in video it seems my head is just on fast spin like a washing machine.

Should i just start with knowing/learning the statutes/acts or can others recommend another route to travel so this all makes more dende then it does now??

Peace.

[yozhik]

Tbh, when i first took notice of this movement, it wasn't the 'no tax paid' or the 'stock' held in our Birth Certs, but the issue of being fully responsible for my actions - heck with 3 kids i cannot afford not to be responsible :)

As i try to digest everything posted, linked or presented in video it seems my head is just on fast spin like a washing machine.

Should i just start with knowing/learning the statutes/acts or can others recommend another route to travel so this all makes more dende then it does now??

Peace.

I'm reminded of this question; How do you eat an elephant?
Answer: one bite at a time :)

I suggest that, at times, when searching this subject, we have all had our heads jettisoned into the fast spin cycle.
It momentarily (or longer) becomes the unclimbable mountain, the bridge too far, the elephant on our plate ... we focus on the big picture and get lost in its enormity.
Better to when concentrate on smaller parts - and eating them one at a time - it helps the elephant become digestible.

Start with what interests you the most.
This will give you confidence and motivation.
Keep eating small bites.
The jigsaw has many pieces - start with the corners and the edges ... then the middle becomes easier to complete.

[girlgye]

They're all busy in Commercial Redemption.:rolleyes:
oh Roberrrto can you mail me please. I'm sure you can't face the thousands of pm s
girlgye@yahoo.co.uk

[ipopacific]

im a freeman and ive thrown myself in the deep end the best way to learn is the sink or swim method and there aint no chance im sinking.... its true though freedom is within if u have conviction in your beliefs no fiction can ever rule over you! dont fall for the illusions and they are quickly schooled over how little power they have over u ..... u

[ipopacific]

im a freeman and ive thrown myself in the deep end the best way to learn is the sink or swim method and there aint no chance im sinking.... its true though freedom is within if u have conviction in your beliefs no fiction can ever rule over you! dont fall for the illusions and they are quickly schooled over how little power they have over u .....

[litmus]

Just so that I can understand this 'movement' if you will, can all FMOTL make themselves aware to me and others, so that we can differintiate between thought and experience.
Hey..
I'm working on it. There's a group of us here in Ipswich (UK) meeting up in pubs (remember them?!) to discuss and share the principles. I've done slides based on Rob's and John's (Harris) stuff - plus some research of my own - which I'm sharing with others and encouraging them to join the process.
So far:
1. I'm part way through discharging notices with the local council about a fixed penalty parking ticket (notice)
2. I've returned my vehicle license notice with "this is not me" written in red through the capitalised name.
3. I've just had my council tax bill for the coming year which I'm about to return in similar fashion
4. Next week I'm reporting Tony Blair and his mob at my local police station for conspiracy to commit genocide (see www.makewarshistory.org.uk)
5. I'm part way through copyrighting my capitalised name with a £1 million pound sterling silver coin bond against its use
6. I've been into a couple of old second hand book shops and bought some excellent old law books for use in my research. Make sure you buy old ones cos the buggers change the more recent versions (its like 1984 - rewritting history!)

So basically the ball is rolling - we just got to try these things and see what works best

If anyone is in Ipswich (uk) area and wants to come to next meet up (beer available!!) drop me an email - litmus@spontinmusic.com

Cheers, love and peace
Litmus

Big up to given names Robert, Arthur family name Menard!

[litmus]

my understanding so far is if you claim state benefits you will have problems as a humanbeing claiming your rights.
hence only one uk freeman so far.

its like were accepting bribes :(
Not at all mate - the other thing I've done is written to the tax mob asking for a statement of how much tax and national insurance I've paid to date (I'm now 45!)
Once you know this figure you can then take off the amount you've cost (school, hossie, police, benefits etc) and if you do this you will find you're well in credit even without the value of your stock held in trust by the treasury.
And on that point I recon an average uk equal share right now is worth a minimum of £276k if you assume land value is equal to the net worth of UNITED KINGDOM LTD
I'm now trying to work out the land value (cos no one has this figure)
Then you have the value of your ability to be taxed/fined etc over your lifetime which of course is your income stream under your legal fiction to the corporation
So I wouldn't worry about losing benefits - they OWE YOU MONEY which ever way you look at it!
"...I know someday I will be everything that I dreamed I'd be and when I live the life I please then I will be a freeman..." (The Levellers)
Litmus

[yozhik]

And on that point I recon an average uk equal share right now is worth a minimum of £276k if you assume land value is equal to the net worth of UNITED KINGDOM LTD
I'm now trying to work out the land value (cos no one has this figure)
Then you have the value of your ability to be taxed/fined etc over your lifetime which of course is your income stream under your legal fiction to the corporation


I worry when I see things like this because even though this theory as thrown around with gay abandon, no-one has ever been able to show proof of it.

There is also as much anecdotal evidence for the theory that the Crown owns all the land - and by the Crown, it is meant the owners of the City of London.

I've read the commercial redemption websites, I've viewed the videos and participated in the forum threads.

I'm not convinced.

[litmus]

I worry when I see things like this because even though this theory as thrown around with gay abandon, no-one has ever been able to show proof of it.

There is also as much anecdotal evidence for the theory that the Crown owns all the land - and by the Crown, it is meant the owners of the City of London.

I've read the commercial redemption websites, I've viewed the videos and participated in the forum threads.

I'm not convinced.
I guess proof will be the outcome of the correspondance?
I respect your scepticism but can I ask if you have tried to gain 1st lien over your NAME? Or are the rules different in Hungary?
Cheers
Litmus

[yozhik]

I guess proof will be the outcome of the correspondance?
I respect your scepticism but can I ask if you have tried to gain 1st lien over your NAME? Or are the rules different in Hungary?
Cheers
Litmus

No - I have not tried.
The concept seems incomplete to me.
I can't actively partake in a concept I do not theoretically support.