milk and calcium

[rossus]

most people say drinking milk is good for getting normal calcium levels.

a lot of people say drinking milk is bad for calcium levels because little calcium gets
absorbed from it and the processing of milk by the body requires calcium to be used...
so when you drink milk you gain little or even lose calcium.

what's your knowledge about this topic and if you do not drink milk where do you
get your calcium from?

[whitenight639]

Lime is the one to answer this but i read that there is enough calcium in fruit and veg. also regular supermarket milk has growth hormones and other nasties, but no good stuff is left after pasturisation, raw milk on the other hand is better but you run the risk of catching stuff.
also vitamin D is needed to absorb calcium and it can be found in the following;

# Fish liver oils, such as cod liver oil, 1 Tbs. (15 mL) provides 1,360 IU
# Fish, such as:

* Catfish, 3 oz provides 425 IU
* Salmon, cooked, 3.5 oz provides 360 IU
* Mackerel, cooked, 3.5 oz, 345 IU
* Sardines, canned in oil, drained, 1.75 oz, 250 IU
* Tuna, canned in oil, 3 oz, 200 IU
* Eel, cooked, 3.5 oz, 200 IU

# One whole egg, 20 IU
# Shiitake mushrooms, one of a few natural sources of vegan vitamin D (in the form of ergosterol vitamin D2

Calcium can be found in;

These include seaweeds such as kelp, wakame and hijiki; nuts and seeds (like almonds and sesame); blackstrap molasses; beans; oranges; amaranth; collard greens; okra; rutabaga; broccoli; dandelion leaves; kale; sardines; and fortified products such as orange juice and soy milk. The calcium content of most foods can be found in the USDA National Nutrient Database.[3]

Calcium is essential for the normal growth and maintenance of bones and teeth, and calcium requirements must be met throughout life. Long-term calcium deficiency can lead to osteoporosis, in which the bone deteriorates and there is an increased risk of fractures. Calcium has also been found to assist in the production of lymphatic fluids.

[cheeb]

This has ruined every cup of tea for me,
Milk is full of pus,piss,shit and blood.
but it is true due to modern farming methods,
Don,t even start me on Kentuckie Fried Chicken,
POE
PTTP

[whitenight639]

yer milk is for babies full stop.
but i dont like black coffee really.

[cheeb]

If you are not a vegitarian,
But karmically aware,
sometimes,
Meat ,milk and eggs,
Are disgusting,
well to me anyway,
Ive been a vegitarian before,
I think I am heading that way again,
I like meat,
But sometimes I can taste the bad Karma,
It smells like sweat,
And taste like fear,
POE

PttP

[purple is a fruit]

Lime is the one to answer this but i read that there is enough calcium in fruit and veg. also regular supermarket milk has growth hormones and other nasties, but no good stuff is left after pasturisation, raw milk on the other hand is better but you run the risk of catching stuff.
also vitamin D is needed to absorb calcium and it can be found in the following;

# Fish liver oils, such as cod liver oil, 1 Tbs. (15 mL) provides 1,360 IU
# Fish, such as:

* Catfish, 3 oz provides 425 IU
* Salmon, cooked, 3.5 oz provides 360 IU
* Mackerel, cooked, 3.5 oz, 345 IU
* Sardines, canned in oil, drained, 1.75 oz, 250 IU
* Tuna, canned in oil, 3 oz, 200 IU
* Eel, cooked, 3.5 oz, 200 IU

# One whole egg, 20 IU
# Shiitake mushrooms, one of a few natural sources of vegan vitamin D (in the form of ergosterol vitamin D2

Calcium can be found in;

These include seaweeds such as kelp, wakame and hijiki; nuts and seeds (like almonds and sesame); blackstrap molasses; beans; oranges; amaranth; collard greens; okra; rutabaga; broccoli; dandelion leaves; kale; sardines; and fortified products such as orange juice and soy milk. The calcium content of most foods can be found in the USDA National Nutrient Database.[3]

Calcium is essential for the normal growth and maintenance of bones and teeth, and calcium requirements must be met throughout life. Long-term calcium deficiency can lead to osteoporosis, in which the bone deteriorates and there is an increased risk of fractures. Calcium has also been found to assist in the production of lymphatic fluids.


Awesome stuff whitenight, I was about to make a post similar to this so you saved me the job :) Although I feel the food chain is horribly depleted in pretty much everything! Make sure that the fruit and veg is organic where possible, and of course VERY fresh.
Lime is the one who should really add here, she is very in the know on all this stuff...

And soy milk is NOT a great alternative to cows milk.
We dont actually need milk at all...... but yes raw whole milk is the best if we must drink it...straight from the cows tit if poss.The less dicked with the milk is, the better. Milk is full of hormones meant for baby cows:o, this explains why many who drink milk in large quantities sweat like hell all the time. After the pasturisation process about all that is left is these hormones.

I follow this rule....If THEY tell us we should have it for whatever reason....the reverse applies.

Purple

[i_am]

If you are not a vegitarian,
But karmically aware,
sometimes,
Meat ,milk and eggs,
Are disgusting,
well to me anyway,
Ive been a vegitarian before,
I think I am heading that way again,
I like meat,
But sometimes I can taste the bad Karma,
It smells like sweat,
And taste like fear,
POE

PttP

I have often commented that I can taste the fear. Kinda turns you off, doesn't it. I too, like meat but try to keep it to a minimum as i can't see how ingesting that fear can be good for anyone.

[father ted]

most people say drinking milk is good for getting normal calcium levels.

a lot of people say drinking milk is bad for calcium levels because little calcium gets
absorbed from it and the processing of milk by the body requires calcium to be used...
so when you drink milk you gain little or even lose calcium.

what's your knowledge about this topic and if you do not drink milk where do you
get your calcium from?

I have stopped drinking milk a while ago and have felt a lot better, a lot less full and stuffed. Go to this link now and take it or leave it:

http://www.expansions.com/QA_Comments.cfm

[i_am]

I have to go out shorthly so don't have the time to look for the particular article but it is the alkaline/acid levels in our body that have an effect. We don't need nore calcium we just need to harmonise our body

I found this one which is along these lines

http://www.ionizers.org/pdf/Alkaline_Acid_SpecialReport.pdf

Acid Alkaline Balance
Excess acidity is a condition that
weakens all body systems.
Excess acidity forces the body to
borrow minerals - including calcium,
sodium, potassium and magnesium -
from vital organs and bones to buffer
(neutralize) the acid and to safely remove
it from the body. As a result, the body can
suffer severe and prolonged
‘corrosion’ due to high acidity - a
condition that may go undetected for
years.
It affects virtually every person in our

[whitenight639]

I have often commented that I can taste the fear. Kinda turns you off, doesn't it. I too, like meat but try to keep it to a minimum as i can't see how ingesting that fear can be good for anyone.

I dont know what you mean I cant taste fear. but if i could it would be natural, as if we were back in the day when we hunted then we'd be chasing cows around for a long time before we killed them so they would be more scared. its the chemicals and anti biotics they feed the cows you can taste. but that said there are changes in the chemical composition of eggs when comparing eggs from battery hens to that of free range there omega 3,6&9 fatty acids are in totally different proportions.

[i_am]

I dont know what you mean I cant taste fear. but if i could it would be natural, as if we were back in the day when we hunted then we'd be chasing cows around for a long time before we killed them so they would be more scared. its the chemicals and anti biotics they feed the cows you can taste. but that said there are changes in the chemical composition of eggs when comparing eggs from battery hens to that of free range there omega 3,6&9 fatty acids are in totally different proportions.

It is hard to explain but it is not the chemicals etc. Actually I eat organic and I know the difference. It is a rank sort of taste and if you research the subject you will find that it is certain chemicals that are released in the body of animals that are slaughtered. When man hunted animals it was a different thing to standing in line waiting to die. Chasing animals would frighten them but not neccesarily be fear.

[cheeb]

A natural enviroment is what it says on the tin,
A slaughterhouse is a death factory
for animals,
Jews and muslims know this,
If meat/animals are not slaughtered
To hallal or kosher laws
The meat is tainted
with fear hormones
adrenalin and seratonin,
this is not good karma,
you should respect the things you eat,
the consumer society we live in has forgotten this
thats why most people are ill,
obesity on a planet where 3000 people a day die of starvation,
you work it out
then tell me I am wrong

Peace on earth

I consume, you starve

[whitenight639]

yer i see what you both mean and its totally possible, but i dont eat alot of meat and it always tastes different, cos its always cooked different but you 2 may be more aware of it so it may taste different. and cheeb i hear ya on the obese and starving people issue it pisses me off too, when we overthrow the illumini we can level the playing field.

[cheeb]

yer i see what you both mean and its totally possible, but i dont eat alot of meat and it always tastes different, cos its always cooked different but you 2 may be more aware of it so it may taste different. and cheeb i hear ya on the obese and starving people issue it pisses me off too, when we overthrow the illumini we can level the playing field.
cool
i hear you

[limelady]

Hello.....I'm a bit late to the party here, but I see there has already been some great advice posted. Anyways, here's my rant if anyones interested.

In the old days when the milk people drank was fresh milk from the cow they had just milked (which had been grazing on clean, green non-polluted pasture and no grain treated with pesticides), milk and other dairy products (cream, butter etc) were not a problem for humans health. However, these days the milk we get in a plastic bottles from the supermarket is basically crud that could be more likened to a chemical. They try to fool us into thinking milks good by making bold claims to having fortified with added vitamins and minerals some of the different varieties now available in supermarket chillers, but the reality is you are still drinking crud. :cool:

This is why so many people have become lactose intolerant - the enzymes normally present in fresh un-pasteurized milk (required to help you digest the milk properly) and other vital ingredients milk SHOULD contain in its natural state, have been stripped away by high-heat processing and other handling. In addition to that, a lot of 'gunge' remains in the milk, including hormones and trace amounts of pesticides and other chemical residues left behind from cleaning dairy equipment both at the point of collection (the farm) and from haulage (the truck that picks it up and takes it to the factory) and the equipment/vats/milk lines etc at the processing facilities themselves. Then there's the xenoestrogens (fake hormones) that leach from the plastic bottles we end up with in our fridge. :eek:

However, I believe little or no harm will come to anybody from eating/drinking a modest amount of organic, unpasteurized dairy, providing, you have not already become lactose intolerant. But even that can be overcome if you give you body a chance to heal and stay 'dairy free' for a few months before gradually reintroducing a small amount of organic dairy back into the diet. Lets remember that prior to the industrial revolution, many people relied heavily on milk and dairy products, and they we all a lot healthier (heart and bone-wise) than we are nowadays.

However, because cows milk IS hormonally structured for feeding calves (who gain weight rapidly in the first months of their lives), milk does contain a lot of bovine growth hormones which are NOT necessarily very good for humans due to the differences between humans and cows. :p So moderation is the key here. Adults don't require foods designed for nurturing the off spring of another species, but providing you only use dairy in modest amounts, your body can effectively deal with this. However, keeping teens from over-indulging in milk drinking seems prudent, as studies (particularly on pubescent boys) who often drink large amounts of milk daily (iced coffes, milkshakes, etc), have shown that the bovine growth hormones in the cows milk can lead to some aggressive 'teenage' behaviours. This is believed to be due to the changing hormones during these teen years.....too many bovine hormones can interfere with this process.

With regard to bone health, MOST people who eat a reasonably well-balanced diet usually get enough calcium to sustain their bones. But taking heaps of calcium is not always the answer to our bone health problems, in that what is almost always BADLY lacking in our diet these days (due to many factors I won't go into here) is MAGNESIUM and without a good amount of magnesium, a lot of the calcium we ingest cannot do its job, and is therefore wasted or dumped in the soft tissue of the body. Because magnesium is in such chronic short supply in our food-chain nowadays (along with folic acid....which is another story in itself), I advise everybody to ensure they are getting enough by supplementing. Eating mega amounts of raw organic almonds is a good way, too and there are good amounts in dark leafy greens, but tablets may be better if you are already chronically deficient....which in my experience is MOST people. Don't swallow tables whole as they don't digest properly....ALWAYS chew up hard-packed calcium and magnesium tables before swallowing.

Actually, it is more likely to be a lack of magnesium, vitamin D and vitamin K combined which can lead to osteoporosis. Optimum amounts of Vitamin K can be obtained by eating an abundant amount of organic green leafy vegies every day (preferably as a concentrated juice), but it can also be consumed in smaller amounts from cauliflour wheat bran, organ meats (yuk!!!) cereals, certain fruits, organic meats, organic dairy products, and organic eggs.

Those living in colder climates (less daily sunlight) are likely to suffer from a vitamin D deficiency. Cod liver oil supplements are the best way to get vitamin D, but if that makes you go "eeek", then synthetic D supplements are available, but in my opinion are not as good.

These the most obvious 'deficiency culprits' the lack of which begins the down-hill spiral towards osteoporosis. But other factors play an important role in our lack of bone density as we age too. Mucked up hormones caused by environmental xenoestrogens is now a really BIG concern!

According to research conducted by Dr Jerilyn Prior (Professor of Endocrinology at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, BC, Canada....see my link below for more info), Natural progesterone is the ONLY know substance that can actually rebuild bone once it has disintegrated, but your doctor is likely to tell you fibs about this and try and get you to take foximax which is a very poor 'bandaid' treatment for loss of bone integrity.....while it might prevent further mineral leaching from your bones, it will not rebuild new bone, nor will it help your body 'delete' some of the many artificial hormoes we have all been contaminated with via our environment....and like many patented pharmaceutical drugs, it comes with a barrel-full-of monkey problems of its own.

Note: Natural Progesterone is a natural molecule and not one of the many synthetic class of hormone drugs known jointly as Progestins.....there are many very 'bad monkeys' associated with these drugs, so stay well clear is my advice!!! :rolleyes:

I have included here a few links for those who are interested further....you'll find some GREAT info amongst this lot. :)

The Weston Price Website (http://www.westonaprice.org/) (wise food traditions)

Raw Milk Vs. Pasteurized Milk (http://www.realmilk.com/rawvpasteur.html)

Why you don't want to drink pasteurized milk (http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/26/pasteurized_milk.htm)

Magnesium and Bone Health (http://www.usc.edu/hsc/info/pr/1vol7/728/bones.html)

Almonds (http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=20)

Vitamin K and bone health (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11684396&dopt=Abstract)

Natural Progesterone (http://www.johnleemd.com/)

[ashyr]

i heard it leeches calcium also.

btw

no ones touched on the HOMOGINISING of milk
actually changing the fat particles.
its so bad for you!

[megafish33]

Milk foods are a relatively new food group, like grains, so some people may not be able to handle them well in large quantities and processed or prepared (or not) in certain ways. I also don't know why many people are raving up and down about hormones in milk. Just buy the one without hormones, all stores around here have them, you have to look for the symbol that says it has been treated with any of that junk. I usually get milk that hasn't been homogenized because of some problems that can occur and make the fats unhealthful to consume in my opinion. Also, I get milk that is either low heat pasteurized or raw (I have a trusted source/can by it in stores as well in my state) because I have reason to believe the proteins are more bio available in our bodies. That and the cows are grass fed near the ocean so it's very nutritious and has a really sweet fragrant taste and smell. Ultra flash pasteurized and homogenized milk from grain fed cows gives me allergies and causes me to faint. I usually buy whole or 2% since you can't absorb the calcium and other needed nutrients in the milk that will actually put that calcium to work in your bones if you get non-fat milk. I see this problem with many of my mother's old girlfriends, they drink nonfat milk that tastes like crap to save calories yet they have all the bone diseases known to man.

Of course, man can not live on dairy (and grains) alone, the base of everybody's personal food pyramid should be vegetation and seeded fruit, especially leafy greens. These are a TOP source of not only calcium, but natural vitamin K, which among other things, is vital for bone and heart health. Of course, like vitamins A, E, and D, you need fat to absorb it. Try to consume a salad with leafy greens and oils in it to get the biggest bang for your buck. Small amounts of whole fat cheese on top of it wouldn't hurt either. Think nutrient synergy.

[gordonfreeman]

I have often commented that I can taste the fear. Kinda turns you off, doesn't it. I too, like meat but try to keep it to a minimum as i can't see how ingesting that fear can be good for anyone.

Because those animals that died, showed fear when they are slaughtered to death including the artificial crap they put on them. I usually try to avoid certain types of dangerous meat.

Milk? I used to drink lots of that corrupted fluid from the negative farm industrial hellholes for livestock animals when I was a little child, but now I avoid that awful white corrupted piss.

[smariot]

Vitamin D: The big glowing orb in the sky.
Calcium: Green leafy things.
Vitamin B12: The bacteria growing on the green leafy things, assuming they're still there after the pesticides and washing.
Omega Whatever: Beans, nuts, vegetable oils.

Blackstrap molasses has tons of calcium. Combine it with, water, oil, flour, bran, baking powder, walnuts, shredded coconut, shredded carrot, raisins, and a mashed banana, and make yourself some muffins. The amounts are a mystery, I just add stuff until it looks right. Cooking is an art, not an exercise in engineering. Bake at 1000000°F for 0.44 seconds.

[unitydivided]

I am young but no longer naive. even at this tender age i have learned that what most say is usually not a good thing. in fact, 15% of the population is all it took to start the American Revolution. The other 85% were loyal to the King of England.