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fccool
01-07-2007, 09:25 AM
I think it is a very important real concept that we have to concider above the "astral projection" and "universal conciesness" bulshit. Just a little historical background on the issue. I know it's a bit long, but I promice it will worth it in the end and hopefully will provide the answers that some of you seek.

Of course the "plan" began way back before it, but I'll pick up in 20th century. Do you want to know the real purpose for Hitler and Stalin? You would be surprised... It is the hegimony of the Dollar that we have today. Here's how.

Hitler was raised to power and provoked into war. They needed an idealist who would be insane enough to lead Germany into a world war. They created economic conditions that would provide these results. At the same time they created an antithesis who could appose Hitler and sent Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin) to consolidate power in Russia. Both of the regimes were highly nationalistic and highly idealistic. This was the only way to get millions of people involved in war they don't want to be a part of. Both of my grandfathers went through this war, and one have died. They believed that they were liberating Russia and the world, but they in fact contributed to world enslavement in a way. Why did Hitler attack Russia? The spies were fed incorrect information that stated that Stalin is planning for a massive attack. Hitler decided to invade preemptively (George Bush style). I think if he did not, Stalin would eventually be provoked to start the war.
Natzis hit Ukraine pretty hard. Stalin knew about Hitlers attack, but he did not do much about attack on Ukraine, which was the first one to suffer. I don't know if he was excecuting the scripted plan, or if he was controlled into doing it... I guess it is not important because the results were the same. Tens of millions of Ukrainians have died and you will never hear about this holocaust (both from Stalin forced starvation in 1932 and then Hitler's attack in 1941).
Hitler was doomed to loose, because he was provoked to attack Russia in winter. People simply left into woods, while burning all of the food supplies and then sabotaged the railway convoys by blowing up the bridges. So Russa pushed back all the way back to Berlin leaving yet another path of destruction behind. Russian soldiers were not much better than US soldiers today, or Natzi ones. They raped women and stole cattle and food from people. It was do or die, and people will do the craziest things.

Then USA was provoked into joining the war at the last moment when Europe was at the brink of ruin. England was in ruins. Russia has done most of the damage by the time US entervened and forced Hitler to fight the war on two fronts.

Now let's talk about that. USA is a relatively young nation. It has just been handed over to Banking interests in 1913, which artificially staged the Great Depression in 1929. How convenient and "coincidential". The factories are standing still and people are out of jobs. They can not possibly finance the war. Along comes Japan and is provoked into attacking USA base. It was a desperate attack because US embargo was starving Japan to death. I won't go into details, but you can read these here http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25637

USA drops two nukes on Japan showing the world that they are now the force to be reconed with. Then they come and help Russia and Britain finish Germany which would collapse on itself anyway. The Japan is in Ruins, Europe is in ruins, Russia is in ruins. Everything is in ruins, but United States... they did not fight the war on USA front... and I believe it was planned to be so. Very carefully planned.

So now... we see the causes... let's veview the effects.

Russia (Soviet Union) was driven out of Europe and Was isolated to its eventual collapse.
Germany was to pay reparations for a looong time. Japan is in radiocative mess.
China is still recovering from the mess with Japan.

USA..... is on top with militarized economy and unlimited support of the world for it's "liberation". In fact, what is going on behind the scenes is... the establishment of US dollar as a gloabal floating currency that is "a good as gold". This is the single reason for American prosperety today. After the war the agreements were made to trade the most important commodities in Dollars in exchage for world economic stability. USA naturally took advantage and exported dollars, while enjoying growing service economy domestically. Banks opened up unlimited credit lines to people and economy "boomed". People had no clue. The borders were closed and trade was controlled. Americans like to think that they are working harder than people in other countries and they attribute their national success to this "hard work". I know I'm generalizing, but the majority of this "success" is due to the established Dollar hegimony, which drove the developing countries further into shithole, because now they have to trade at prices "set by the markets". So the local currency is artificially devalued and 1 dollar is worth several thousand of local currency units. People can't afford to buy clothes that they make in sweatshops. They are locked into a perpetual poverty because they believe in a construct we call "Money".

So you see, people who rule the world will never reveal themselves untill they can convince the world that they are "gods"... because this is what it seems their ultimate goal is. In the beginning of 20th century this world was very "localized". It would be inconcievable to think that several people can rule the whole world. But if you look at it now... everything is set up for one final move - the collapse of the US economy and subsequently the world economy. This is the reason that son Bush was instituted as a president. To blaim the collapse on the Idiot scape goat. This is the single reason that you receive 10 credit card offers in the mail and you are 150 grand in debt (including your mortgage). Once there will be another depression and the jobs will fall and the banks will grab hold of the assets... you will beg for world government to step in. You really don't know yourself unless you have been through this. And I doubt many of you are ready. So how do you get ready?

1) Clean up your mind. Realize that people who rule this world will never want to be seen, and they will not be seen. They will always create 10 alternatieves and point you in 10 different directions. It is not important to know "Who" and "Where", but it's more important to know "How" and when. So NO, it's not "Jews" it's NOT American Governemnt, it's not IMF, World Bank, Rockofellers, Roschilds. Those are the means to an end, but those are being controlled by somebody much more sinister.

2) Understand that the only way that we are all controlled right now is one thing and one thing only ... and it is "MONEY". From cradle to grave we are shoving and being shoved this non-existing construct. Money is the Matrix and Matrix is the money. The movie Matrix is all about how the monetary system of the world works. Unlearn money... and erase the word from your vocabulary. It is bulshit! I know you realize that it is bulshit, but I don't think you realize how hooked you are by the concept. It is so deeply embedded into us that any alternative seems absurd. But think about it. Why? Why do we need it? It is the one most desired thing in the whole world, but in itself it worth nothing! It does not matter in what form it is... paper, silver or gold. Gold and silver are just shiny metals. If you are stranded in the middle of the desert these are worthless. It even got worse. Now we believe in credit and debit. Which are nothing! Those people really make it clear and we still think it's fine.

Any society that has its economic system based on concept of money is doomed to social injustice, division of classes and eventually a class of rullers with the most money and class of slaves with the least amount of it. What is it that makes you obey your employer's demands? It's money. What is it that makes you obey your government? Concept of money. What starts and stops and wins or looses wars? Money... What makes you you think that you deserve something that other people should not have.... it's the amount of money in your wallet/bank account/stocks. If you are born into the family with no money... you are concidered a piece of shit. If you are born into family with money, you are automatically elevated to the position of the bellybutton of the universe.

So the eventual goal for us, or as we are told, is to make our money work for us while we sit and do nothing (Captain subtext: make other people slave in order to use the money we have). So the goal is to rule other people. If you examine yourself deeply, I think you will come to conclusion that we subcuntiously believe it. We were made to believe that rulling people is an ok concept. It is good to rule people. We want to rule other people through money, and this is our programmed purpose in life. So unless you can see it for what it is... a pure bulshit... this world will not change. And I doubt it will change. I have my reasons to believe so.

So, some of you may ask "WTF? How else are we suppose to get stuff we don't have?". Well, think about it. If you go and work 60 hours per week and you get nothing... just a though that you believe in... a piece of paper. Then you go and exchange that nothing for something because somebody else out there believes that nothing worth more than something (no pun intented :)... Then what makes you think that it would not be perfectly fine to eliminate that "nothing" all together and do things for nothing just as it already is? Then you can eliminate the government all together. You can get rid of the borders (borders are imaginary lines that people are fighting over) and let people really be free and productive. Of course this will not happen unless a certain change of mindet will happen first. And that mindset that has to be changed is a belief that one person somehow is more important than another. In fact, this will not happen unless people will esteem others more important than themselves. Until that happens... there will always be a rulling class and a slave class.

Realize that very soon all of your toys will be ussless. If I'm not mistaken, there will be a worldwide depression that will make you miss the shit that you are used to so much that you will yourself propose the world govenment just to get it back ( just like Cypher in Matrix). So good starting point would be realizing that all that shit you have ... 90% of it you don't need. No , you don't need a car, you don't need TV, and you don't need 50 pairs of shoes in your closet. The thing that you need the most is knowledge. Most of the knowledge that exists today revolves around the concept of "making money". Forget it! It's useless. I went through business school and halfway thorugh I realized that it was the biggest bulshit in the world being fed to me on a silver spoon... money for the sake of making money. Growth for the sake of growth.... do you know what it is called in medical field? Cancer! :)

3) PAY OFF YOUR DEBTS, CUT UP CREDIT CARDS. Quit the money game. If you can't physically do it, then start over. Move to a different country... change your name :) use your imagination. Learn how to live on bare minimum. Store up some food at least enough for a year. People may laugh at you... but you are the one that will hear "told you so". I know it sounds idealistic and inconvenient right now, but it will be much more inconvenient later on. It is easily doable if you are single. If you have family and children... it's much harder, it's one of the hooks used unfortunatly.

4) Learn to respect other people for who these are. Instead of going out and watching a useless movie... go out and buy somebody a loaf of bread and some milk... somebody who needs it. Tell them that they are important and that they don't have to believe the bullshit. Share what you've learned and they will listen to you... because you care ( unlike Mormons/JW/Christians knocking on their door).

5) When the economic shit hits the fan... get out of the city. It will be ugly.

john white
01-07-2007, 09:43 AM
Hi fccool, you've hit upon some very important realisations in the above (said the chap whose just recently released a video in which I state that money is a consensual dream). I'm curious as to whether you wrote the above,if not, could you provide a link to the author? Either way, we should discuss the contents

fccool
01-07-2007, 10:05 AM
Yes I did write the above. And it took me a couple years to finally conclude the above written. I mean I always knew how much BS of an abstract concept money was, but I never realised the depth of that concept. Why do we even need it? It seems like people who put it together are the real rulers. Those people that created and are using the concept to achieve their goal. Nevertheless, I'd like to see the video if you have the link. I hope you won't make send me to buy it :)

john white
01-07-2007, 10:22 AM
Yes I did write the above. And it took me a couple years to finally conclude the above written. I mean I always knew how much BS of an abstract concept money was, but I never realised the depth of that concept. Why do we even need it? It seems like people who put it together are the real rulers. Those people that created and are using the concept to achieve their goal. Nevertheless, I'd like to see the video if you have the link. I hope you won't send me to buy it :)

Heck mate I wouldnt do that to you!

Here we go, money is the second topic I cover...

John White, a Malvern based philosopher, gives his first public lecture, The View From The Rabbit Hole.

We learn that reality exists only inside our heads; that money is just a dream; and that taking control of our own perceptions is the route to meaningful global change, for the better, for ever.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7531242795885482799&q=the+view+from+the+rabbit+hole&total=17&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

If you enjoy this talk, do visit www.MalvernMessages.com and explore the Rabbit Hole far more as driven by your own curiosity.


I'm away for the day, but you can rely on me to return to this thread later! :)

melbo
01-07-2007, 11:19 AM
Excellent post. If we could go back to the old barter system things would be worth their proper value. Farmers could afford to live, people would regain lost skills and we would no longer be sheep.

fccool
01-07-2007, 07:13 PM
Thanks, but I'm not even speaking about barter here. What society conditioned people to do for money is to find the Job that makes the most money. Just remember who you wanted to be when you were a small kid? Who did you want to be? Have you later learned that who you want to be is impossible to be given this world's constraints? Or mabe perhaps you really followed through with what you want to be and you are enjoying what you are doing right now.
There's a qote I once saw , ironically on the door of the bank, " Find a job that you enjoy and you will never work a single day of your life". I thought it was more than true, because what I am doing today I don't even concider work :). I concider it my hobby! Something I really enjoy doing. So think about it. If you enjoy doing something so much, the absolutely opposite would be true also... you would enjoy doing it for free. But what keeps you from doing it for free? YOu know the answer. You need money to sustain your life. But if we can trust the concept of money, then why can't we trust in people's abilities to provide our needs as they enjoy what they are doing for free. I know that the idea sounds so ludicrous, but it is because we are condition to believe that it is ludicrous.
No economists would say... it is way too idealistic. Can't happen. But there are societies that operate very close to this principle... Take Amish for example. Although they reject the modern means of production, the principle is still there. If you enjoy doing what you doing and other people appreciate your abilities and product and services that you provide to them for free... what kind of selfish bastard would not return the favor? Only a brainwashed delussional one that believes that a piece of paper worth more than true freedom.
Here's our problem. We are taught from cradle to grave do distrust people. My fiance is a great example of it. She lives in a extremely wealthy neighbourhood. Her father is a doctor. I've never heard of any break ins or car jackings in that area. Yet when we get to the driveway... the first thing out of her lips : " Lock the car". Why? Well, somebody might be crazy enough to steal it. Either that, or we are crazy enough to believe that. Now, I drive a $4000 used Pontiac Grand prix. I've promiced myself that I would never pay more than 5k for a car. I perceive car as a peice of metal that gets me from one place to another. If somebody really needs my car enough to risk their life in prison, then heck they probably really need a car.... I mean they really need a car badly, or they are so dillusional that they value their personal freedom less than a peice of shaped metal.
So if you really think about it... our distrust is what being created and used to isolate us from each other. We are discoraged from asking such questions like "Why?". Why would somebody blow themselves up? Why would somebody kill another human being for a peice of paper? Does he/she really need paper... or is it something else? Paper is only means to other things. Crime is a direct result of such system. Bigger government is a direct result of such system. Fence, locks, barb wired borders, gun ownership, police, IRS and many others are direct results of this system.

But you might say, "How do you control an economy that has no money?" The economy does not need to be controlled. We have this idea embedded into our minds that something has to be controlled, or else it will get out of controll eventually. If everything is free and you are enjoying what you are doing, then there is no need for any restraints or control. Why would you want to steal if it is free? So stupid :). Why would you want to hurt somebody who provides you with clothing, food, shelter, education, entertainment.... all for free! I'm not talking about government here which redistributes wealth for the price of controlling you, it's people directly. You would not want to do that. You would want to return the favour. If you did hurt somebody, then the people would be up in arms against you. Why? You just took out a valuable member of the society that they appreciate. But why would you want to do it? If you trully love and appreciate them... then you would not hurt them. So you see, the only think that keeps us operating in such fascion is the construct that is created for us from the moment that we are born. We are conditioned that we don't know anything, and that people above us should be paid essentially in our labor to tell us how to live and what to do.

Take for example the heathcare systems of British and Americans. I'm deeply envolved with a family of healthcare professionals through marriage :). I know. I spent a couple of days in the office, and it was enough for me to think: "This is bulshit!". A guy came in and wanted a regular skin check up. He did not have insurance, so he agreed on the phone prior to visit to pay cash. He spent about 10 minutes in doctor's office and he was asked to pay $180. Well, he was a smart fellow, and said " You know, I don't have any money and I don't use credit cards... here's my address... just send me the bill". Of couse he did not pay. In Britain it would be free. Well, you pay taxes for government to pay doctors to make it free for you. So essencially, you pay taxes to pay government to pay doctors to pay for whatever they need so you can get healthcare for "free". If doctors could get whatever they need for free, then they would provide the healcare for free.

Nevertheless, such system will not exist unless our mindset is transformed to filter out cow excrement from our brains. The people up there realize that everybody can not all live like they do. If we all had, then this planet would be raped and ravegen in matter of years to sustain our lifestyles. The system what I'm talking about would equalize the society naturally. People who have much shit would not naturally want it, because they thing that they deserve things because they have had their money working hard for them all these years. So the solution is NOT forceful dismanteling of what these people have. Let them have it. But if the system would be peacefully and collectively changed... these people would realize that their lifestyles are unsustainable (they know it now). This is one of the reasons for the power structure we have now. Why would you want to help clean a 20 rooms of a person who does not even live in these. So naturally these people would be out of control and be forced non-violently to find something positive to do. So you would not live beyond want you need, but some would have alot more than they have. Some would obviously have less ussless crap lying around the house they don't even use. But it would be a sustainable system. No , I'm not a communist or a socialist or a capitalist for that matter, I'm not an ism. Isms are created in order to create distrust. I am a human being. I'm not talking about forced stuff under a barrel of a gun here ( pretty much the world operates right now)... I'm talking about voluntary stuff. If you have any reasons for not being a part of such system, please let me know. And no, there would not be politics, or presidents. Why do you need these? What purpose would these serve? To protect imagenary borders? The protection of our borders... really means Protection of our Money. If everything is free... why would you need money. You are trully in control of what you are doing. If you are enjoying doing it, then you would naturally move to a place where your ability is needed and appreciated. People around you would create an environment that is convinient to you, because they need you to be a part of their community. Everybody thinks that anarchy is something of chaos and destruction, but this concept is pretty much embraces anarchy in a positive manner.

But I know what you are thinking. How about the lazy ones out there? If I don't have to pay for anything, then why do I have to work? Well, first of all, this person would be "encouraged" to find something that they like to do. Most of the people we call "lazy", are simply refusing to do things they don't enjoy doing. Secondly, would you want to trade this kind of system for the system of perpetual slavery just because a small percentage of population would take advantage of it? People are taking advantage of wealfare today.

And once again, it is extremely important to change our mindset first before attempting to change the world. The real change starts within our own selves. Right now we are being isolated from each other and isolation is incouraged by distrust. We seldomly interact with people on intellectual and logical levels. People think that the ideas are impossible, because they have been told so. They are not encouraged to check things out. So the solution is getting back with people and start talking. Show that you mean things. Invite them for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Don't differentiate between a bum on the street and a lawyer driving Lexus. Try to help people according to their need. If you do, the world will slowly begin to change for the better. There's no other solution other than appreciating others more than self. This concept is called selflessness... And this is the only way to true Love. You can't love somebody if you are selfish. Loving somebody because they have something you want... that's called prostitution and that's business. Loving somebody because they simply are... This is THE ONLY way that the world can operate safely. I know it sounds idealistic, but not unrealistic.

Nevertheless, I'm just throwing the idea out there. If anybody would like to expand on it... be my guest. It's free :) hehe

john white
02-07-2007, 04:46 AM
Hey, I just remembered this thread I made on banking a little while ago

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3144&highlight=john+white

Theres some good stuff on there, I'd value your thoughts fccool

fccool
02-07-2007, 03:23 PM
John,

I'm from a former Soviet Union block country. When I left it in 1997, you could buy a flat in the center of the city for $8-10k (American) max. Now, that the credit is now freely avaliable (it was not in 1997 and even 2003) the prices spiked to 70 grand for a flat! The flats are not any better today than these were in the past, in fact they shoud decrease in value like any other products. Houses should not increase in value overtime. But you see, economically there's only one way to rapidly "expand" economy over very short period of time --- mortgages. People borrow astounding amount of money over very short period of time. The banks use these as assets to lend out more money (fractional reserve... monst people know :)). And away we go. This trend is happening all around the world. They are making sure that the economies of the world will collapse. Once you get people hooked on this "drug" of consumerism and drug of "convinience".... it is really hard to get out cold turkey. In fact, I think in the midst of this the new "righteous" leaders will emmerge and will institute one world religion that will sound really good on the surface :). But it's an educated speculation on my part.

mada88
03-07-2007, 05:47 PM
I like the idea of working for someone to get a good/item like for example working a few hours for a farmer to get some milk or eggs.

cruise4
17-07-2007, 06:53 AM
It may have been DI, but someone said if we were free to really do what we wanted then supply and demand would naturally balance. And remember the phrase 'giving is better than receiving', which is true.

Be nice if it worked. I think it could after certain shorter term issues were resolved.