Jesus Christ

[thewaycreates]

do you believe that a 'flesh and blood' Jesus Christ really existed?

[shenoma]

Jesus Saves
http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/eyes/stangart/CARDSET/JESUSAVE.JPG

[bigus_dickus]

do you believe that a 'flesh and blood' Jesus Christ really existed?

if we take our beliefs out of the way, "jesus christ" in the greek language means "anointed healer".

an "anointed healer" could have existed many times in some hundred thousand years of human history in all the planets of the universe.

[bigus_dickus]

Jesus Saves

and performs regular back-ups :)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

and performs regular back-ups :)

Is it possible to change jesus around so he can save what you would like him to save, or do I have to call a specialist on this? :p

[ngawaka19]

yes

[synergy777]

yashuah/yosuha ben yosef was his name. he was most probably the essene/nazarite teacher of rightenous, at the qumrum/dead sea scroll. they had to go into a commune, to protect from the roman/jewish authorities. isn't funny how roman/jew have indian roots. beacuse of indo migration into egypt/israel from persia/arabia/india.

he stayed at the dead sea until he was strong enough to go the city, where he rode into jersualem, threw the traders out of the temple, and was then executed, after being betrayed by the clergy, the people and judas. after his execution they started to create the myth of jesus, which they later finalised in 325 ad. they put their mythic mithras clone, with mythic virgin birth, water into wine, and other death cult/solar/wheat symbolism onto the real life personality of yashuah, a teacher, rebel, reformer. so fuck the vatican church and anyother church, all who preach false gospel, are the devils ministers and not the creators. you only have to look at churches to see the evil vibes from them, surrounded by dead people/cemetry. add to this mosques with saturn/venus/ottoman symbols. the star/crescent moon are ottoman symbols, not islams. gargoyle, etc adorning the house of the creator, give me a break. who designed these churches, masons. what the shape of these churhces, solar cross (equinoxes/solitices), domes and spires/minarets. religion is the devils work, imagine that.


so to the goth kids, to wiccans/neo pagan/new age to suitweaing bible bashers, to the crazy muslim imams, you are all on the same side, the losing side, evil. thats why this i'm so spiritual, nature loving wicca, i hate the horrible church, when they can't even work out they are opposames/controlled oppostion from the people they hate and worship the nwo/satan.

[bigus_dickus]

Is it possible to change jesus around so he can save what you would like him to save, or do I have to call a specialist on this? :p

you need to call your network administrator and ask :P

[synergy777]

why ask the admin, when you control the code yourself.

[bigus_dickus]

why ask the admin, when you control the code yourself.

then maybe you should call yourself!

[synergy777]

et phone home, lol

what gets me is that enough peeps write ill about yashuah, and yet post pervy pics outling evil/draco as extremely sexy, soulful things, people find evil attractive/sexy, people desire evil now. look at the art, goth, fantasy shit with satanic, serpent, angels etc shenoma, posted a pic with some sort of fallen angel grabbing some hoes booty, with a poem underneath it, its all good. high school shit, really counter culture, my arse, its elite culture. they promote this shit as cool etc, and yet line up in droves to take shots, playa hate on the yashuah. people are fucked up, weak, and need squashing.

see they can't attack the church, beacuse the church is evil, so what do they expect it to be, its a nwo owned franchise. its theirs, not ours, not the peoples, not the creators. they can' attack yashuah, beacuse he was better than any of the fucks who dare take the piss. see all these 2 bit intellectuals, they attack religion as corrupt, but fail recognise that the ones who created it, created their " anti religion" belief system too, whether be it luicferianism, wicca etc, so put them left wing, new age bullshitters with right wing blind faith religous fanatics, and we see our enemy together for the first time. ignore the left/right divide in politcs, but you fail to recognise it in religion, how convienently stupid of you people.

what teacher in his right mind would give a shit about arrogant, sly, weak, scared forked tongue apes. i say let each person make good their own account, that way no one can complain, they have to have responsibilty for themself, ignoring kids/infirm etc. the rest can take resposibility for their own souls.

[bigus_dickus]

i've been writing the same things in the old forum since 2005... but people don't want to listen, they prefer beliefs, they are more tempting. and so are the images you are describing, temptations to do something wrong to your fellow human or your body. they feel good for a moment and then you carry their fat for a lifetime.

[viginti tres]

....it is my belief that it is a mistake to hold beliefs....keep the mind open and you never stop learning and evolving....IMHO.....

"Wisdom is knowing how little we know," - Socrates

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[synergy777]

socrates knew, and hence willingly took the cup of posion. although if he knew, which i guess he did about maya/realities/dimensions, he should stayed around. its where next, maybe have one last redit, then get all professional, corporate on their weak game elite arses. the bohemian, grungy, scruffy peroid is getting tiresome, maybe its time to upgrade.

[joy division]

do you believe that a 'flesh and blood' Jesus Christ really existed?

No.

Go watch Life of Brian by Monty Python, that is probably closer to the truth.

[synergy777]

he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. lol,

would make a great polictician/clergy/royal.

[bigus_dickus]

socrates knew, and hence willingly took the cup of posion. although if he knew, which i guess he did about maya/realities/dimensions, he should stayed around. its where next, maybe have one last redit, then get all professional, corporate on their weak game elite arses. the bohemian, grungy, scruffy peroid is getting tiresome, maybe its time to upgrade.

socrates knew that he was ignorant. and because he was a wise man, he also knew that everyone else was ignorant and all he did was prove their ignorance by asking them the right questions. his questions were unique in the way they made the others think for themselves and find their own answers, or ignorance. he believed in god, he was a very moral man and taught a lot to the athenian society about love and compassion and about how to make things work effectively. plato practically built his ideas on socrates' philosophy.

pythia, the famous oracle, has said that there is no man wiser than socrates. he was troubled with this information and thought about it a lot. he was saying that he is neither wise with respect to their wisdom nor ignorant with respect to their ignorance, but both. and about his wisdom, he never claimed to know what they were ignorant about, but he proved their ignorance about what they thought they knew about. he was just different from them in the way he was examining his own life, thoughts and beliefs. he could define justice by not applying injustice, because he didn't even know what justice is, only individual cases could be judged, our current system sucks as you can see. if you asked him what god is and what it is all about, he would say "i don't know", but if someone claimed that he knew, he would prove that he was talking bullshit.

that's why the government prosecuted him and sentenced him to death, because he even proved them ignorant. the case, was a case of profound misunderstanding of his teachings. socrates defending himself in court, said that he has done more good for his people than all of them together ever would. and when they offered him to suggest an alternate punishment (they were always giving the defendant the choice to suggest their own punishment after hearing the court's), he suggested that they all pay him to go for vacations and give him the honor that he deserves!

of course socrates was correct and rational, but the court perceived this as mockery and insult. then he offered a very small amount as penalty, which was also perceived as mockery and then he offered a larger amount. the final verdict was to be put to death.

if socrates had offered a punishment such as to be exiled, he would have lived to be older. but he loved athens and the people and he never wanted to leave his place.

but socrates wasn't afraid of death. because he knew that he didn't know anything about it. during the day, until the evening when he drank the poison, he was in his cell with his friends discussing philosophy.

[synergy777]

bigus, great post mate. socrates taught plato, plato taught aristotle, always remember, spa.

the more you know,the scale of what you don't know, humbles you. its like living in a village. say you live in the vilage all you life, you think know everything about the world, life, then you go out of the viallge see, hear of new lands, you realise there is more. then say you realise there are other planets, you want to know more. then you realise there are other systems, nebulas then you want to know more. then you realise the construct of reality begs the question, are ther layers/dimensions. then you go onto thinking, what if these layers of realites are all in one big construct, like layered existance. what happens if this big construct of layers/dimensions of realities is just one creation, what happens if there many creations of different layered realities. its like a fractual. see we live in layer/bandwidth of the 3d dimension, electromagentic spectrum, we see only the visual spectrum. so whats beyond this, scientists know there more dimensions, and yet we don't even know about other planets in our solar system.

we mankind are a rather simple organism, exploring our enviornment and inner space.i think its frequency/dimension thing. i mean look at life undeneath our feet, insects have cities, division of labour, hierarchy, organisation. look at life at a microscopic level, bugs, bacteria, its all happens, we don not see it. lok at the depths of the ocean. there is so much, and we know so little, so very little.

[shenoma]

et phone home, lol

what gets me is that enough peeps write ill about yashuah, and yet post pervy pics outling evil/draco as extremely sexy, soulful things, people find evil attractive/sexy, people desire evil now. look at the art, goth, fantasy shit with satanic, serpent, angels etc shenoma, posted a pic with some sort of fallen angel grabbing some hoes booty, with a poem underneath it, its all good. high school shit, really counter culture, my arse, its elite culture. they promote this shit as cool etc, and yet line up in droves to take shots, playa hate on the yashuah. people are fucked up, weak, and need squashing.


You missed the point entirely about my poem. I wrote it in the first place, instead of fearing the Draco we should love them because they are reflections of our deeper parts of ourselves we are mostly afraid to even to look at. The woman is naked to represent the bareness of true love to all, even fear base beings has the Draco. Plus, I just happen to like it a lot.:rolleyes:

[titurel]

Just as there is an Antichrist, there is also Jesus Christ... the only personage with authority to arrest the Reptlian NWO agenda. No mortal man will ever succeed in that. Without Jesus Christ humanity is doomed to dwell in a Reptilian Orwellian world future.

[synergy777]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism

The term "Mithraism" is modern. In antiquity, texts refer to "the mysteries of Mithras", and to its adherents, as "the mysteries of the Persians."[1] This latter epithet is significant, not for whether the Mithraists considered the object of their devotion a Persian divinity, but for the fact that the devotees were convinced that their religion was founded by Zoroaster.[1]

The term 'mysteries' does not imply that the religion was mystical or mysterious, but rather, that members had been formally initiated into the order. As also for other mystery religions, the expression 'mystery' derives from Koine Greek 'ìõóôÞñéá' (mysteria) meaning "initiation", which distinguishes such religions from others where affiliation is a matter of inheritance.

It is not possible to state with certainty when "the mysteries of Mithras" developed. Plutarch[2] suggests that some prototypical form of the Mithraic initiation rites existed among the pirates of Cilicia in 1st century BC. Clauss asserts[3] "the mysteries" were not practiced until a century later. Mithraism reached the apogee of its popularity around the 3rd through 4th centuries, when it was particularly popular among the soldiers of the Roman Empire. Mithraism disappeared from overt practice after the Theodosian decree of 391 banned all pagan rites, and it apparently became extinct thereafter.

Although scholars are in agreement with the classical sources that state that the Romans borrowed the name of Mithras from Avestan[4] Mithra, the origins of the Roman religion itself remain unclear and there is yet no scholarly consensus concerning this issue (for a summary of the various theories, see history, below). Further compounding the problem is the non-academic understanding of what "Persian" means, which, in a classical context is not a specific reference to the Iranian province Pars, but to the Persian (i.e. Achaemenid) Empire and speakers of Iranian languages in general.


A debated legacy
Mithraism is most famous for its mythical and iconographic similarities to Christianity, and the theory that it is the origin of much of today's Christian doctrine.

That Christianity is largely a re-branded version of Mithraism is a controversial claim. Ernest Renan, in The Origins of Christianity, claims that Mithraism was the prime competitor to Christianity in the second through the fourth centuries, although some scholars[attribution needed] feel his claims that the emperors Nero, Commodus, Septimius Severus, Caracalla, and the Tetrarchs were initiates are dubious as there is little evidence that Mithraic worship was accorded official status as a Roman cult.

However there are also strong similarities between core doctrines in Christianity and Mithraism. That Christianity adopted some imagery, icons or festivals is generally accepted (such as the adoption by Christendom of winter solstice or Saturnalia festivals as Christmas) but this doesnt' necessarily reflect basic religious tenets. Similarly, Gnostic cults such as the Marcionites and Valentinians adopted the personage of Jesus or the concept of a Savior, without adopting underlying doctrinal elements held by the Roman Church.

Key similarities
Mithras was born from a virgin on the December 25, a date later co-opted by Christians as Christ's birthday in 320 AD. A traveling teacher and master, Mithras also performed miracles. He had twelve companions as Jesus had twelve disciples. Mithras died for man’s sins and was resurrected on the following Sunday. The crucifix, water baptism and the breaking of bread and wine are also shared by both religions.[14]

Bull and cave themes are found in Christian shrines dedicated to the archangel Michael, who, after the legalization of Christianity, became the patron Saint of soldiers. Many of those shrines were converted Mithraea, for instance the sacred cavern at Monte Gargano in Apulia, refounded in 493. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that Mithraism was transferred to the previously unvenerated archangel.

Bull and crypt are linked in the Catholic saint Saturnin (frequently "Sernin" or "Saturninus") of Toulouse, France. The Mithraeum is retained as a crypt under his earliest church, evocatively named "Notre-Dame du Taur."

"The resemblances between the two hostile churches were so striking as to impress even the minds of antiquity."[15] Like Origen (an early Christian writer and in this respect a peculiarity among the other patristic writers), Mithraism held that all souls pre-existed in the ethereal regions with God, and inhabited a body upon birth. Similar to Pythagorean, Jewish, and Pauline theology, life then becomes the great struggle between good and evil, spirit and body, ending in judgment, with the elect being saved. "They both admitted to the existence of a heaven inhabited by beautiful ones ... and a hell peopled by demons situate in the bowels of earth."[15].

Both religions used the rite of baptism, and each participated in an outwardly similar type of sacrament, bread and wine. Both Mithra and Christ were supposedly visited by shepherds and Magi. It has been claimed that both Mithraism and Christianity considered Sunday their holy day, though for different reasons, although the evidence that Mithraists practiced weekly worship, any more than any other pagan religion of the time, is lacking. Many[attribution needed] have noted that the title of "Pope" (father) is found in Mithraic doctrine and seemingly prohibited in Christian doctrine. The words "Peter" (rock) and "mass" (sacrament) have significance in Mithraism.

Mithraism and early Christianity considered abstinence, celibacy, and self-control to be among their highest virtues. Both had similar beliefs about the world, destiny, heaven and hell, and the immortality of the soul. Their conceptions of the battles between good and evil were similar (though Mithraism was more dualistic[16]), including a great and final battle at the end of times, similar to Zoroastrianism. Mithraism's flood at the beginning of history was deemed necessary because what began in water would end in fire, according to Mithraic eschatology. Both religions believed in revelation as key to their doctrine. Both awaited the last judgment and resurrection of the dead.

"When inducted into the degree of Leo, he was purified with honey, and baptised, not with water, but with fire, as John the Baptist declared that his successor would baptise. After this second baptism, initiates were considered 'participants,' and they received the sacrament of bread and wine commemorating Mithra's banquet at the conclusion of his labors."[17]

Both Christianity and Mithraism were popular amongst soldiers. Mithraism was largely a soldiers' cult, and under emperors like Julian and Commodus, Mithra became the patron of Roman armies.[citation needed] Christianity also developed a huge following in the military, and even civilian Christians began to refer to themselves as milites ("soldiers"), in reference to the disciplined life they felt called to, while those less disciplined outside the faith were called pagani, borrowing the Roman military slang for "civilians".

Mithras had no mother, but was miraculously born of a rock, or the petra genetix.[18] His worshipers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with a cross.[citation needed] This was one of seven Mithraic ritual meals.[citation needed]

Some writers have said that a mithraeum on the Vatican Hill was seized by Christians in 376 AD. Among them John Holland Smith wrote that "Gracchus suppressed the worship of Mithras at the cave on the Vatican hill,"[19] however he cites no evidence. No Mithraeum is known on the Vatican hill[20] and the actions of Furius Maenius Gracchus are described only by Jerome,[21] who does not mention the location, which suggests it was a private shrine instead.

The Mithraic festival of Epiphany, marking the arrival of sun-priests ("Magi") at the Savior's birthplace, was adopted by the Christian church only as late as 813 CE.[22]

Christianity may have emphasized common features that attracted Mithras followers. Perhaps the crucifix appealed to those Mithras followers who had crosses already branded on their foreheads.[citation needed] In art, Mithras, a sun god, was normally depicted with a halo representing the sun.[citation needed]

Justin Martyr (100-165), in a discussion with the Jewish apologist Trypho, wrote: "'And when those who record the mysteries of Mithras say that he was begotten of a rock, and call the place where those who believe in him are initiated a cave, do I not perceive here that the utterance of Daniel, that a stone without hands was cut out of a great mountain, has been imitated by them, and that they have attempted likewise to imitate the whole of Isaiah's words? For they contrived that the words of righteousness be quoted also by them. ... And when I hear, Trypho,' said I, 'that Perseus was begotten of a virgin, I understand that the deceiving serpent counterfeited also this.'" (Dialogue with Trypho, LXXVIII). Tertullian gives a similar account.

According to Martin A. Larson, in The Story of Christian Origins (1977), the first example of the mythological concept of the savior god which is present in many faiths including Christianity and Mithraism is Osiris. Larson concluded that the general concept of savior must have originated from the savior cult of Osiris. He also believed that the Essenes were Jewish Pythagoreans, whose members not only gave birth to Christianity as Essenes, but were directly influenced by Zoroastrian doctrine as Pythagoreans.[23] Mithraism, in Larson's view, was an established but exclusive sect devoted to social justice, and was assimilated by state-sponsored Christianity before being disposed of in name.

J. R. R. Tolkien explained the fact that there are some Mithraistic beliefs which predate similar/identical Christian ones by arguing that the similarities between the Christ story and pagan myths, such as Mithraism, can be explained by portraying the myths as imperfect reflections of divine truth.[24]


yashuah ben yosef was the real one. jesus is mixture of mithras/sol invictus by the vatican to hide the real anti elite, anti clergy yashuah. as there is no j in hebrew, well that should be a big give away. also pope leo i think stated, "this myth of christ/christos has been a profitable one". now test the vatican by their fruits/actions, you detest the vatican but believe their texts/myths, why?

shenoma, my bad, what about the pic, links/source?

[titurel]

Key similaritiesMithras was born from a virgin on the December 25, a date later co-opted by Christians as Christ's birthday in 320 AD.Of course the architects of organised religions worship Mithras but Mithras worship is condemned in the Bible, which is why the architects of organised religions (the illuminati) hate the Bible and Jesus Christ. The Bible also doesn't even say that Jesus Christ was born on December 25th!!!

[synergy777]

the bible ie edited by who. historic yahsuah not bible jesus, you say you know him, whats his name, his message, his colour. whats happening to his people in palestine, whose helping them. thats the real test. there are those who said they know me, they know me not. at least we stick with issa/yashuah, and not the trinity rubbish. we live, die for him, we are loyal to him.

[titurel]

Jesus Christ is the one who'll be able to defeat the Reptilian agenda. No man will succeed because men always end up arguing amongst themselves and don't the Reptilians thrive on a disunited mankind! Divide and rule!

[synergy777]

the cross is a satanic/solar symbol, the annual 4 postions of the usn. 2 equinoxes/2 solitices of the sun.

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/7902/samhainokku4.jpg


http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3095/solsticea10dd8.gif

http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Clas...ls/equinox.html (http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Classroom/Lessons/Sundials/equinox.html)

The Sun in the sky during the Spring and Fall Equinox in the Northern hemisphere

The Sun is at its lowest path in the sky on the Winter Solstice. After that day the Sun follows a higher and higher path through the sky each day until it is in the sky for exactly 12 hours. On the Spring Equinox the Sun rises exactly in the east travels through the sky for 12 hours and sets exactly in the west. On the Equinox this is the motion of the Sun through the sky for everyone on earth. Every place on earth experiences a 12 hours day twice a year on the Spring and Fall Equinox.

After the Spring Equinox, the Sun still continues to follow a higher and higher path through the sky, with the days growing longer and longer, until it reaches it highest point in the sky on the Summer Solstice.


http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Clas...als/summer.html (http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Classroom/Lessons/Sundials/summer.html)

The Sun in the sky during the Summer in the Northern hemisphere

On the Summer Solstice, which occurs on June 21, the Sun is at its highest path through the sky and the day is the longest. Because the day is so long the Sun does not rise exactly in the east, but rises to the north of east and sets to the north of west allowing it to be in the sky for a longer period of time.
After the summer solstice the Sun follows a lower and lower path through the sky each day until it reaches the point where it is in the sky for exactly 12 hours again. This is the Fall Equinox. Just like the Spring Equinox, the Sun will rise exactly east and set exactly west on this day and everyone in the world will experience a 12 hour day.

After the Fall Equinox the Sun will continue to follow a lower and lower path through the sky and the days will grow shorter and shorter until it reaches its lowest path and then we are back at the Winter Solstice where we started

titurel, one love. but we need to have our game tight, that means being armed with the truth, or as close as we can to get it. after data is corrupted, perception/evaluation will be biased, no matter how objective we aim to be, its the factor of human error/limitation

[titurel]

The Cross should not be worshipped and it's not a Christian symbol. A Cross was, after all, used to murder Jesus Christ. It's illuminati inspired Christendom that brainwashed people into believing that the Cross is a Christian symbol - don't fall for the illuminati mind control...

[bigus_dickus]

the cross is a satanic/solar symbol, the annual 4 postions of the usn. 2 equinoxes/2 solitices of the sun.

what is the correlation you are making between the sun and satan? who says that the sun is evil and why? and if the sun is evil then what is good?

[synergy777]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5391&page=3

this page is pretty cool

[titurel]

Quetzalcoatl is part of the serpentine Reptilian conspiracy against Jesus Christ, IMO...

[synergy777]

the sun is not evil, its giver of life. i am saying the cross i based on the four points of the sun, hence could also be derived form the swastika, minus the edges. basically as it based on the sun and not the son, it has real significance/connection to yashuah. the sun is not evil, but the elite use it as symbol for their own use. i remember akhenaton in egypt, when he tried to remove the pantheon of gods, and install the creator. he chose the sun, to be symbolic, it gives life, as does the creator. the priesthood then plotted his downfall and went back to many gods, more money/power.

bigus, i should explain better, my bad. also people wearing the murder weapon of yashuah, its morbid. personally the serpent/tree/staff, is the yashuah/crucifix, no symbols should be used, just his message, 1love. see pac, my avatar, he's wearing the deathrow/electric chair record label logo, a little joke. if yashuah died today on the electric chair, would we wear electric chair logos around our necks in remberance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Nebo_(Jordan)

http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html

http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/2876/?letter=A&spage=3

[synergy777]

he will transform himself into an angel of light, light = knowledge, angel = from greek angelos = messenger. these ancient gods, featherd serpents, eg prometheus etc, came to educate men? all cultures have serpent gods, these are satan/lucifer/fallen etc. all serpent gods, dragons, etc have sacrifices, pyramids, from south america to asia, africa and europe. they are imposters, giing man power/knowledge for their souls. satan is a globalist after all, lol

remember one creator, one people, one love.

[bigus_dickus]

bigus, i should explain better, my bad. also people wearing the murder weapon of yashuah, its morbid. personally the serpent/tree/staff, is the yashuah/crucifix, no symbols should be used, just his message, 1love. see pac, my avatar, he's wearing the deathrow/electric chair record label logo, a little joke. if yashuah died today on the electric chair, would we wear electric chair logos around our necks in remberance?

it's not exactly like that, it must be different for every person and everyone sees this subject of symbolism with different perspective and different knowledge about it.

so, for example, for someone that it would symbolize the death of jesus on the cross, then he would perceive it as a symbol of crime, maybe.

some one else may think that jesus resurrected and this is the whole point of the doctrine. no faith without resurrection, no hope, no comeback without resurrection. this is evident: if jesus did not resurrect from the dead, he wouldn't be jesus of spirit that continues to live performing the ultimate miracle of life, to disappear with the body.

well, to me, to wear that cross is like to believe that miracles are possible, but only because of love.