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pinkgeranium
13-02-2009, 07:02 AM
Breaking News on sky.....



http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/New-York-State-Plane-Crash-Aircraft-Hits-home-Near-Buffalo-Airport/Article/200902215222291?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15222291_New_York_State_Plane_Crash%3A _Aircraft_Hits_home_Near_Buffalo_Airpo

pinkgeranium
13-02-2009, 07:06 AM
Looks like no survivors.................. Very sad.

sade
13-02-2009, 09:27 AM
Oooh boy. Here we go again!
44 is a satanist number, yada yada!!11++++

pinkgeranium
13-02-2009, 09:30 AM
Oooh boy. Here we go again!
44 is a satanist number, yada yada!!11++++


.......err nope..................... Just very sad that almost 50 people have lost their lives, in what appears to be an awfull, tragic accident.

omegasol
13-02-2009, 09:36 AM
Oooh boy. Here we go again!
44 is a satanist number, yada yada!!11++++

oh really!? a "satanist number"!? care to explain?

squeakamuffin
13-02-2009, 11:36 AM
I wonder if the crash site is close to where that military jet crashed into a family home killing its occupants last year? Ring a bell anyone?

ubiquitous
13-02-2009, 01:35 PM
BEVERLY ECKERT DEAD PASSENGER---- WIDOW of Sean Rooney 911 victim... On the phone with him when "plane crashed." Chairwoman of VOICES of SEPTEMBER 11

ubiquitous
13-02-2009, 01:58 PM
Beverly Eckert, widow of 9/11 victim, was aboard Flight 3407


The usually joyful meet-and-greet area of the Buffalo Niagara International Airport was a corridor of tears and sorrow early this morning as family and friends of those aboard Continental Express Flight 3407 filed in to get official word of their loved ones' fates.

For Sue Bourque, the wait for confirmation regarding her sister, Beverly Eckert, was all too familiar. Eckert is the widow of Sean Rooney, a Buffalo native who lost his life in the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. Eckert was traveling to Buffalo for a weekend celebration of what would have been her husband's 58th birthday. She also had planned to take part in presentation of a scholarship award at Canisius High School that she established in honor of her late husband. Bourque said that while the family had not yet received official confirmation of her sister's fate, the reality was settling in. "We know she was on that plane," Bourque said, "and now she's with him." Eckert, Rooney's high school sweetheart, continued to live in their home in Stamford, Conn., after the terrorists' attacks of 2001. As co-chairwoman of Voices of Sept. 11, she pushed for a formal commission to investigate intelligence failures and for a proper memorial to the victims.

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/578061.html

ubiquitous
13-02-2009, 02:01 PM
Silence cannot be bought
USA Today - December 19, 2003


Silence cannot be bought
USA Today - December 19, 2003

By Beverly Eckert

I've chosen to go to court rather than accept a payoff from the 9/11 victims compensation fund. Instead, I want to know what went so wrong with our intelligence and security systems that a band of religious fanatics was able to turn four U.S passenger jets into an enemy force, attack our cities and kill 3,000 civilians with terrifying ease. I want to know why two 110-story skyscrapers collapsed in less than two hours and why escape and rescue options were so limited.

I am suing because unlike other investigative avenues, including congressional hearings and the 9/11 commission, my lawsuit requires all testimony be given under oath and fully uses powers to compel evidence.

The victims fund was not created in a spirit of compassion. Rather, it was a tacit acknowledgment by Congress that it tampered with our civil justice system in an unprecedented way. Lawmakers capped the liability of the airlines at the behest of lobbyists who descended on Washington while the Sept. 11 fires still smoldered.

And this liability cap protects not just the airlines, but also World Trade Center builders, safety engineers and other defendants.

The caps on liability have consequences for those who want to sue to shed light on the mistakes of 9/11. It means the playing field is tilted steeply in favor of those who need to be held accountable. With the financial consequences other than insurance proceeds removed, there is no incentive for those whose negligence contributed to the death toll to acknowledge their failings or implement reforms. They can afford to deny culpability and play a waiting game.

By suing, I've forfeited the ''$1.8 million average award'' for a death claim I could have collected under the fund. Nor do I have any illusions about winning money in my suit. What I do know is I owe it to my husband, whose death I believe could have been avoided, to see that all of those responsible are held accountable. If we don't get answers to what went wrong, there will be a next time. And instead of 3,000 dead, it will be 10,000. What will Congress do then?

So I say to Congress, big business and everyone who conspired to divert attention from government and private-sector failures: My husband's life was priceless, and I will not let his death be meaningless. My silence cannot be bought.

Beverly Eckert, whose husband died at the World Trade Center, is the founder of Voices of September 11th, a victims advocacy group.

Those responsible for failings of 9/11 should be held accountable.



http://skyscrapersafety.org/html/toeditor_usa20031219.html

hugolast
13-02-2009, 02:09 PM
hmmm :eek:

gilly
13-02-2009, 02:17 PM
If this crash was engineered to silence Beverly, I pray to all the gods that it's perpetrators are found out and brought to justice.

ubiquitous
13-02-2009, 02:26 PM
To be honest we'll probably never know but there's already a lot of noise being made across the net about this 'coincidence'. I'm not quite sure what to make of it all just yet, but is does indeed seem very fishy. I'll post more info as I come across it.

theweetoon
13-02-2009, 03:42 PM
Didnae know that with Beverly...she was a strong woman
(I have watched their documentary). Sad Loss!!
But I did'nt know this either:
Apparently by the Hudson River Plane Crash - among the roughly 150 people on the plane,
which was bound for Charlotte, N.C.,
were some of the top officials from the United States largest bank
and largest financial services company in the World, Bank of America

gilly
13-02-2009, 03:49 PM
Didnae know that with Beverly...she was a strong woman ( I have watched their documentary). Sad Loss!!
But I did'nt know this either:
Hudson River Plane Crash - among the roughly 150 people on the plane, which was bound for Charlotte, N.C.,
were some of the top officials from the United States largest bank.

Yes, I knew & wanted to post that, but couldn't find link when I came to look for it, it had gone.

It was sus how long it took them to find the engines, although I suspected some kind of resonance technology had been used to urge the birds into the plane's filght -path.

1971
13-02-2009, 03:52 PM
I'm not sure if I'm spending too much time on here and reading other stuff but as soon as i heard about the crash I knew that there was something more to it..

theweetoon
13-02-2009, 03:55 PM
The Link was this I think http://waronyou.com/topics/assassination-by-plane-crash%e2%80%99-of-top-american-bankers-fails-in-us/

gilly
13-02-2009, 03:58 PM
The Link was this I think http://waronyou.com/topics/assassination-by-plane-crash%e2%80%99-of-top-american-bankers-fails-in-us/

Thanks - it's not the one I saw, but it does the job!

ubiquitous
13-02-2009, 05:35 PM
The Link was this I think http://waronyou.com/topics/assassination-by-plane-crash%e2%80%99-of-top-american-bankers-fails-in-us/

Thanks for the link. Great website that.

sorath
13-02-2009, 05:58 PM
This is the second plane to crash in New york in so many months. Remember the one that landed in the Hudson river? Maybe it is getting people used to crashes in the area until the one with the nuke "accidentally" crashes.

Just a thought!

steevo
13-02-2009, 06:00 PM
This is the second plane to crash in New york in so many months. Remember the one that landed in the Hudson river? Maybe it is getting people used to crashes in the area until the one with the nuke "accidentally" crashes.

Just a thought!

Yes there are alot of "co-incidences" happening right now :cool:

steevo
13-02-2009, 06:42 PM
9/11 widow AND TRUTHER Beverly Eckert died in Buffalo air disaster :-

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00486/eckert_1_486590a.jpg

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5726826.ece


Friday, December 19, 2003

My Silence Cannot Be Bought
by Beverly Eckert

I've chosen to go to court rather than accept a payoff from the 9/11 victims compensation fund. Instead, I want to know what went so wrong with our intelligence and security systems that a band of religious fanatics was able to turn four U.S passenger jets into an enemy force, attack our cities and kill 3,000 civilians with terrifying ease. I want to know why two 110-story skyscrapers collapsed in less than two hours and why escape and rescue options were so limited.

See full details here :-

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090213154220896

dangermouse
13-02-2009, 06:45 PM
9/11 widow AND TRUTHER Beverly Eckert died in Buffalo air disaster :-

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5726826.ece




See full details here :-

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090213154220896

how convenient :rolleyes:

thenymph
13-02-2009, 08:20 PM
It's a little late after her 2003 lawsuit but perhaps, with things dragging on and those involved knowing that they would, dealing finally with her in this way, if they have, could possibly seem a good time. Where that thought falls down though, I suppose, it that the longer it dragged on, the more she would logically have found out, so why would anyone leave it so long ?

The important thing is to find out who would possibly have benefited from her death and what were her latest activities, apart from meeting Obama a few days before ? Anyone know if it was a private or a public meeting ?

bowtiedaddy
13-02-2009, 09:07 PM
She met with Obama? Well, I think that explains itself then.

I wonder who else was on the plane. I don't think I'll be flying any time soon. There's a plane going down every other day. Air safety is normally very good, rarely planes go down. Now, it seems like it's at least once a week that a plane goes down, and always has key people on it. Geez. They aren't very sneaky, are they?

steevo
13-02-2009, 09:11 PM
She met with Obama? Well, I think that explains itself then.

I wonder who else was on the plane.

Names of the victims have not yet officially been released but 9/11 family activists disclosed that Ms Eckert was on the flight. The campaigner was at the White House to discuss terrorism policy with President Obama last week.

Ms Eckert captured the imagination of Americans in 2001 when she tearfully described how Sean Rooney, her husband and childhood sweetheart, telephoned from the World Trade Center to express his love when there was a loud explosion and the phone went dead.

She later became part of a group of September 11 widows, mothers and children who lobbied successfully to force US politicians to pass sweeping reforms to the intelligence services in 2004.

President Obama described Ms Eckert today as an inspiration.

“Tragic events such as these remind us of the fragility of life, and the value of every single day. One person who understood that well was Beverly Eckert, who was on that flight, and who I met with just a few days ago,” he said in Washington.
Beverly lost her husband on 9/11. And became a tireless advocate for those families whose lives were forever changed on that September day,” he said. “She was an inspiration to me and to so many others, and I pray that her family finds peace and comfort in the hard days ahead."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5726826.ece

steevo
13-02-2009, 10:50 PM
I wonder if Beverly Eckert made a mistake and trusted Obama and told him what her true plans were ? And they decided that she had to die asap ?

jiffy
13-02-2009, 11:12 PM
I have to say as conspiracy theories go I'm on the conservative side, but this stinks.
It would appear that the plane nosed dived straight down, hence only hitting one house. The pilot made no distress call, which in it's self is more than odd.

bowtiedaddy
14-02-2009, 06:37 AM
I have to say as conspiracy theories go I'm on the conservative side, but this stinks.
It would appear that the plane nosed dived straight down, hence only hitting one house. The pilot made no distress call, which in it's self is more than odd.

I wonder who lived in the house. Maybe it was a truther, or journalist lol.


Another victim was a University Expert on Rwanda and Genocide...hmmmm

goldman
14-02-2009, 06:51 AM
Stuff connects, connects badly as it always does.

Shortly after its last communication at 10:11 p.m. EST on February 12, 2009 (03:11, February 13 UTC), the plane crashed into a house in the northeast Buffalo suburb of Clarence Center, 6 miles (9.7 km) short of BUF's Runway 23, killing everyone on board. A total of 50 people were killed, including two pilots, two flight attendants, 44 passengers, one off-duty pilot, and one resident of the house. The crew made no emergency declaration before the crash.

Friday the 13th

ENERGY FLOWS TO WHAT YOU PAY ATTENTION TO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_the_13th_(2009_film)

"Buffalo"

In the movie Friday the 13th it goes about: CRYSTAL LAKE.

Origin of Buffalo:

Most popular accounts hold that the name "Buffalo" is a corruption of the French phrase beau fleuve, "beautiful river," a phrase said to have been exclaimed by French explorers.

The movies TAGLINE is: Welcome to Crystal Lake.

Crystal Lake near Buffalo: http://www.hellobuffalo.com/Directions.cfm?country=us&state=NY&city=Buffalo&rid=l947897&type=b

Emergency in 2006 in Buffalo on the same day: http://www.hotbuffalo.com/index.php/2006/10/13/friday-the-13th-and-a-buffalo-state-of-emergency/

Emergency landing in London, (2.13.09): YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

2 hours and 50 minutes before that crash, Southwest Flt 273, made an emergency landing in Las Vegas because of an engine fire. The Continental flight was out of Newark. The Southwest flight was bound for Islip, NY. That plane carried a brother of a 911 victim. See: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

SO 3 Planes were in emergency! what are the odds

R.I.P folks.

--

godspeed
14-02-2009, 08:04 AM
nosedived...remote controls...jfk junior comes to mind...too many dodgey planes out there...this is very sad for this courageous woman to die....rip

gilly
14-02-2009, 10:25 AM
There was more than one truther on board...

Key human rights advocate dies in U.S. plane crash

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By Matthew BiggPosted 2009/02/13 at 6:15 pm EST
ATLANTA, Feb. 13, 2009 (Reuters) — A prominent human rights advocate who documented genocide in Rwanda was among the victims of Thursday's commuter plane crash near Buffalo, associates said on Friday.


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Historian Alison Des Forges was one of the 50 people killed when the plane crashed into a house and burst into flames.

Des Forges, 66, dedicated her life to studying Rwanda and wrote a definitive study of the 1994 genocide in which some 800,000 people from the country's ethnic Tutsi minority as well as Hutu moderates were slaughtered in 100 days.

Des Forges appeared as an expert witness in 11 trials for genocide at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda as well as in trials in Belgium, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Canada, Human Rights Watch said in a statement.

Des Forges worked as a senior advisor to the organization's Africa division and was also an authority on human rights violations in Burundi and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

"Her death is a tremendous loss for the human rights community, for Rwanda and the Great Lakes, which are places that she loved so dearly," said Corinne Dufka, West Africa regional director for Human Rights Watch.

A central thesis of her award-winning book, "Leave None to Tell the Story," was that the genocide was not an uncontrollable explosion of ancient tribal hatreds but a carefully orchestrated by the government which seized control of Rwanda in April, 1994.

Des Forges also argued that the rebel army that defeated the genocide regime and is now in power should also be held accountable for crimes during and just after the genocide.

(Editing by Jim Loney and Alan Elsner)

sukyspook
14-02-2009, 12:19 PM
Beverly Eckert, Sept. 11 Widow, Died in Fiery Buffalo Flight 3407 Crash

Eckert was flying to Buffalo to honor what would have been her husband Sean Rooney's 58th birthday.

She was scheduled to present a Canisius High School student with a scholarship created in his name.

After the 9/11 attacks, Eckert became a passionate voice for all the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.

At the White House today President Obama singled out Eckert after expressing condolences for all the victims. "She was an inspiration to me and so many others," Obama said.

Last week, Eckert met Obama in the White House with other relatives of the victims of Sept. 11 and the bombing of the USS Cole to discuss the new administration's fight against terror.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=6870794&page=1

http://www.canisiushigh.org/

Mission Statement

Canisius High School, located in the city of Buffalo, is a Catholic, Jesuit, independent, college preparatory school serving young men of diverse backgrounds from Western New York. Canisius challenges its students to strive for excellence as critical thinkers and effective communicators who are open to growth, intellectually competent, religiously oriented, loving, and committed to justice.

Canisius promotes the development of students through a comprehensive liberal arts curriculum firmly rooted in the Jesuit tradition of education, spirituality and service.

Faithful to St.Ignatius Loyola’s desire to provide care and concern for the whole person, Canisius affords each member of the school community the opportunity to develop individual talents for the service of others and the greater glory of God.


Look at the logo of the school -

http://www.canisiushigh.org/photos/news/SmCHS%5FSeal%5F%28Blue%5F289%29%5B1%5D%2EJPG

dogs - canines. . .

Sirius, the dog star. . .

Barky - Obama's nickname and think of that puppy again. . .

The Barker - 'nickname' of Anubis, dog headed 'god' aka Thoth; Toutatis; Mercury and HIRAM ABIFF. . ."messenger of the gods"

King Horus, Sirius Rising and the Astro-Gnosticism of the Witch Mountain films:

Enjoy some 'synchro-mysticism' over at:

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2009/01/astronaut-theology-witch-mountain-and.html


...and remember the 'Sirius Star' ship hijacked off Somalia?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=717457#post717457

"Curiouser and curiouser" as Alice in Wonderland stated. . .

hitithard
14-02-2009, 12:43 PM
My condolences go out to the family. This is a very sad loss,

Will we ever find out if this plane was taken down? I doubt it. But again, its something that needs to be looked into, like we are all doing now.

No one has said much about the house the plane crashed into,

I cant find the exact location on the house on google earth. A picture on bbc news website shows the crash site at the clarence centre. located north east of the airpot. If anyone could find the house it would be appreciated.

Take care

http://i43.tinypic.com/28u4pr7.gif

http://i43.tinypic.com/md0g36.png

http://i40.tinypic.com/25kpyds.png

free_soul
14-02-2009, 01:13 PM
Any one notice they cant get the deaths right?

The bloke from the plane company says there were 44 pasengers and 4 crew (2 pilots and 2 flight atendants) and 1 peron died in the house.

The news are saying 50 people died altogether 49 people on the plane and 1 in the house :confused::rolleyes::confused:

goldman
15-02-2009, 04:07 AM
Beverly Eckert, Sept. 11 Widow, Died in Fiery Buffalo Flight 3407 Crash

Eckert was flying to Buffalo to honor what would have been her husband Sean Rooney's 58th birthday.

She was scheduled to present a Canisius High School student with a scholarship created in his name.

After the 9/11 attacks, Eckert became a passionate voice for all the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.

At the White House today President Obama singled out Eckert after expressing condolences for all the victims. "She was an inspiration to me and so many others," Obama said.

Last week, Eckert met Obama in the White House with other relatives of the victims of Sept. 11 and the bombing of the USS Cole to discuss the new administration's fight against terror.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=6870794&page=1

http://www.canisiushigh.org/

Mission Statement

Canisius High School, located in the city of Buffalo, is a Catholic, Jesuit, independent, college preparatory school serving young men of diverse backgrounds from Western New York. Canisius challenges its students to strive for excellence as critical thinkers and effective communicators who are open to growth, intellectually competent, religiously oriented, loving, and committed to justice.

Canisius promotes the development of students through a comprehensive liberal arts curriculum firmly rooted in the Jesuit tradition of education, spirituality and service.

Faithful to St.Ignatius Loyola’s desire to provide care and concern for the whole person, Canisius affords each member of the school community the opportunity to develop individual talents for the service of others and the greater glory of God.


Look at the logo of the school -

http://www.canisiushigh.org/photos/news/SmCHS%5FSeal%5F%28Blue%5F289%29%5B1%5D%2EJPG

dogs - canines. . .

Sirius, the dog star. . .

Barky - Obama's nickname and think of that puppy again. . .

The Barker - 'nickname' of Anubis, dog headed 'god' aka Thoth; Toutatis; Mercury and HIRAM ABIFF. . ."messenger of the gods"

King Horus, Sirius Rising and the Astro-Gnosticism of the Witch Mountain films:

Enjoy some 'synchro-mysticism' over at:

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2009/01/astronaut-theology-witch-mountain-and.html


...and remember the 'Sirius Star' ship hijacked off Somalia?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=717457#post717457

"Curiouser and curiouser" as Alice in Wonderland stated. . .

Excellent info's. amazing how things line up. also, as I posted in page 3: there were 3 planes with enigine fire on that day (friday 13th) two of them within range of newark, both carried a 911 relative. What are the odds? 1 in 50 trillion or something.

jiffy
15-02-2009, 01:31 PM
I wonder who lived in the house. Maybe it was a truther, or journalist lol.


Another victim was a University Expert on Rwanda and Genocide...hmmmm

good point hmmmmm:D

gilly
15-02-2009, 05:02 PM
This article may be irrelevent, but I thought it was interesting - could be voyuers, who might contaminate or remove items of importance - could be a sign that the ptb are afraid of someone seeing something they don't want exposed...


By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Story Created: Feb 14, 2009 at 9:28 PM EST

Story Updated: Feb 14, 2009 at 9:28 PM EST

CLARENCE, N.Y. (AP) - New York State Police say three people have been arrested trying to gain access to the site where a commuter plane crashed in Clarence, killing 50 people.

Nineteen-year-old Thomas Woodman, of Clarence, was charged with trespassing Friday after troopers found him inside the restricted area, hiding behind a home and videotaping the crash site.

Sixty-three-year-old Paul R. Brenton, of Clarence, was arrested after allegedly trying to gain access to the area and then threatening a police officer. Police say he was intoxicated.

Fifty-one-year-old Donald Krawczyk, of Clarence, was charged with drunken driving after approaching a roadblock.

sukyspook
15-02-2009, 05:15 PM
This article may be irrelevent, but I thought it was interesting - could be voyuers, who might contaminate or remove items of importance - could be a sign that the ptb are afraid of someone seeing something they don't want exposed...


By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Story Created: Feb 14, 2009 at 9:28 PM EST

Story Updated: Feb 14, 2009 at 9:28 PM EST

CLARENCE, N.Y. (AP) - New York State Police say three people have been arrested trying to gain access to the site where a commuter plane crashed in Clarence, killing 50 people.

Nineteen-year-old Thomas Woodman, of Clarence, was charged with trespassing Friday after troopers found him inside the restricted area, hiding behind a home and videotaping the crash site.

Sixty-three-year-old Paul R. Brenton, of Clarence, was arrested after allegedly trying to gain access to the area and then threatening a police officer. Police say he was intoxicated.

Fifty-one-year-old Donald Krawczyk, of Clarence, was charged with drunken driving after approaching a roadblock.

My 'gut reaction' to those 'charged and arrested' - conspiracy investigators (like us) trying to get some pictures of the crime scene...of course, anyone who doesn't back 'the story' is ridiculed; set up or even killed. . .

I'm just listening to last night's 'Space' mp3 which I highly recommend:

TOPIC: the stimulus package, the Flight 3407 crash, Obama & Lincoln, George Lucas & Altamont, NASA STS-119, Lamech, Bishop Valentinus, the beheading in Buffalo NY, emotionless relatives on Larry King & Flight 3407's passenger list, Beverly Eckhart, Aon Corporation, Burma & Cyclone Nargis, the world economy/middle east/war on terror, the movie The International, G7 & G8, prophecy in Revelation, the EU, the elite, the UN...


TIME: 2:27:52


SIZE: 25.4 MB


DOWNLOAD LINKS: http://www.mediafire.com/?qjnn22myjze
OR
http://rapidshare.com/files/198285373/2009-02-14-space.mp3.html


STREAM LINK: zSHARE -

pri01
15-02-2009, 05:29 PM
A little of topic, but the pilot who glided his plane to land safely on the Hudson river saving all on board is hailed a hero, treated like a celebrity on US television and given the keys to New York city. The pilot who safely glided his stricken jet to land at Heathrow airport in January 2007 saving all on board recieved no such accolade. I don,t understand that?

sukyspook
15-02-2009, 05:40 PM
A little of topic, but the pilot who glided his plane to land safely on the Hudson river saving all on board is hailed a hero, treated like a celebrity on US television and given the keys to New York city. The pilot who safely glided his stricken jet to land at Heathrow airport in January 2007 saving all on board recieved no such accolade. I don,t understand that?

'Sully', the pilot of the plane downed in the Hudson is mentioned in Space's mp3 just above your post....occult ritual, including Friday 13th Templars; Lincoln and Darwin birthdays on 12th Feb; one plane downed in water, the other destroyed by fire...it's all in there and it would appear that we're living is someone's version of 'reality' in which 'they' have to keep repeating ritual to retain control and of course, these 'deaths' - ESPECIALLY BY FIRE AKA HOLOCAUSTS, are sacrifices to their 'gods' principally El/Baal/Apollo/Hermes-Mercury etc etc - that's my take anyway.

All their 'gods' represent a 'pantheon' worshipped by a Satanic elite who wish to enslave humanity principally via money which gives them the power to control everything.

I also recommend

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/

regarding these things - check back throughout Feb/Jan 2009 for starters...

pri01
15-02-2009, 07:53 PM
'Sully', the pilot of the plane downed in the Hudson is mentioned in Space's mp3 just above your post....occult ritual, including Friday 13th Templars; Lincoln and Darwin birthdays on 12th Feb; one plane downed in water, the other destroyed by fire...it's all in there and it would appear that we're living is someone's version of 'reality' in which 'they' have to keep repeating ritual to retain control and of course, these 'deaths' - ESPECIALLY BY FIRE AKA HOLOCAUSTS, are sacrifices to their 'gods' principally El/Baal/Apollo/Hermes-Mercury etc etc - that's my take anyway.

All their 'gods' represent a 'pantheon' worshipped by a Satanic elite who wish to enslave humanity principally via money which gives them the power to control everything.

I also recommend

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/

regarding these things - check back throughout Feb/Jan 2009 for starters...

Thanks for this I am interested in learning all about their ritualistic behaviour. I kind of think that the Heathrow ritual went wrong for them as I don't think that they anticipated the pilot saving the plane and landing safely.

gilly
15-02-2009, 08:01 PM
Thanks for this I am interested in learning all about their ritualistic behaviour. I kind of think that the Heathrow ritual went wrong for them as I don't think that they anticipated the pilot saving the plane and landing safely.

I've been trying to find out who was on that plane & drawn a blank (other than someone posting on here there was a relative of a 9/11 victim on each of the 3 planes).

I'll bet it would be significant.

ubiquitous
15-02-2009, 08:05 PM
Plane that crashed near Buffalo was on autopilot
Feb 15, 1:33 PM EST

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) -- A federal aviation official says the plane that crashed into a house near Buffalo, killing 50 people, was on autopilot when it went down, a possible violation of airline policy in icy weather.

Steve Chealander of the National Transportation Safety Board says Colgan Air recommends pilots fly manually in icy conditions. Pilots are required to do so in severe ice.

Pilots of the doomed plane discussed "significant" ice buildup on their wings and windshield just before crashing Thursday night.

Colgan Air operates a fleet of 51 regional turboprops including Continental Connection, United Express and US Airways Express.

Chealander says the preliminary investigation indicates the autopilot was still on when the plane crashed.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PLANE_INTO_HOME?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

ubiquitous
15-02-2009, 08:12 PM
So if it was a build up of ice which really caused the crash (as its being suggested in the MSM) then why wasn't the plane being flown manually as is recommended? Hmmmm.

yellow jacket
15-02-2009, 08:18 PM
I've been trying to find out who was on that plane & drawn a blank (other than someone posting on here there was a relative of a 9/11 victim on each of the 3 planes).

I'll bet it would be significant.

You can find their names on facebook rememberence groups...They were just regular people. It's very sad. I live 15 minutes from where it happened and know a lot of people who knew some of the victims

coco
15-02-2009, 08:21 PM
Regarding post #9:

While I thought it was a horrible irony that the one lady victim was a 911 widow rumored to have been on her way to a celebration of what would have been her husband's birthday when this awful thing happen, I wondered, for some dumb reason, if there was some sort of connection. I wrote the silly thought off, thinking there I go again.

Realistically, I do think it was a horrible random tragedy only but the irony is so striking.

coco
15-02-2009, 08:23 PM
Yes there are alot of "co-incidences" happening right now :cool:

There is an unpopular stimulus bill before Congress right now. The Republicans hate it.

Just throwing it out there.

coco
15-02-2009, 08:29 PM
Just this morning on the news I heard experts are now claiming the plane did not nose dive but rather fell flat. :confused:

rhydra
15-02-2009, 09:07 PM
Were there any pilots in the plane? How can it be known that the messages from the crew actually came from the plane?

sithnemesis
15-02-2009, 10:00 PM
Any one notice they cant get the deaths right?

The bloke from the plane company says there were 44 pasengers and 4 crew (2 pilots and 2 flight atendants) and 1 peron died in the house.

The news are saying 50 people died altogether 49 people on the plane and 1 in the house :confused::rolleyes::confused:

Yep, they're confused as to the number of people who actually died in that crash: 49 + 1, 44+4, 44+4+1, simply 50... :confused: :rolleyes: :)

gribz
16-02-2009, 03:04 AM
As soon as i saw this on the news i had a instant feeling there was something fishy about this one.

yellow jacket
16-02-2009, 06:08 AM
Off all the planes that have crashed throughout the existance of commercial Airline travel why is this one "fishy" or "suspicious"?

Because YOU WANT IT TO BE

People are trying to make connections that are not there.
1/3 of these people are not employees of bank of America. It was just a tragic accident...not everything has a conspiracy theory around it not everything is orchestrated by the powers that be

EDIT* I took the names of the victims out of my post because I don't want anyone making loose connections with any ridiculous theories and insulting their memories

barnowl
16-02-2009, 07:12 AM
Off all the planes that have crashed throughout the existance of commercial Airline travel why is this one "fishy" or "suspicious"?

Because YOU WANT IT TO BE



.
Sure. We just create mayhem because we "WANT IT TO BE".

Get a grip. There happens to be some questionable things about this particular crash that don't add up. There has been many airline crashes ... that just happen to look like a hit.

People are just sayin'.

:cool:

yellow jacket
16-02-2009, 07:30 AM
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Sure. We just create mayhem because we "WANT IT TO BE".

Get a grip. There happens to be some questionable things about this particular crash that don't add up.

You want there to be some grand conspiracy behind it

Oh jeez it only happened a few days ago and you expect all the answers right away. I happen to have family working at the crash site trying to get it figured out...maybe give them a day or two to put it together before you start following "loose ends"

gilly
16-02-2009, 08:10 AM
You can find their names on facebook rememberence groups...They were just regular people. It's very sad. I live 15 minutes from where it happened and know a lot of people who knew some of the victims

No, sorry, I meant who ws on the one in London that the pilot manaaged to land without deaths. :)

gilly
16-02-2009, 08:16 AM
You want there to be some grand conspiracy behind it

Oh jeez it only happened a few days ago and you expect all the answers right away. I happen to have family working at the crash site trying to get it figured out...maybe give them a day or two to put it together before you start following "loose ends"


I find the accusation that we want it to be a conspiracy quite odd.

Please don't make accusations. How do you know what anybody wants.

There's something suspicious re the crash, and many logical reasons for that suspicion have been given in this thread.

You may well have family working at the site - that doesn't make you an expert, does it.

dangermouse
16-02-2009, 08:32 AM
I find it strange that the on board audio did not have any signs that anything was wrong , as far as they were concerned they were following a normal INS landing procedure. And as soon as they tried to engage the flaps for landing then everything went pear shaped... No idea why :o , ice build up on the wings were mentioned but apparently thats a common problem that is dealt with by the on board de-icer.

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 08:42 AM
I've been trying to find out who was on that plane & drawn a blank (other than someone posting on here there was a relative of a 9/11 victim on each of the 3 planes).

I'll bet it would be significant.

'Space', aka Gary 'The Spaceman' Bell discusses the passenger ;list - there were several from Northrup Grumman - scroogle Betty Northrup and Jack Parsons (JPL - Nasa, you knew that right?)...and sex magick

Here's one random link:

Jack Parsons and the Fall of Babalon

http://www.excludedmiddle.com/jack_parsons.htm


I'm posting the following info and link again as it's well worth listening to re the above and other significant dates, times, numbers and 'famous' people:


TOPIC: the stimulus package, the Flight 3407 crash, Obama & Lincoln, George Lucas & Altamont, NASA STS-119, Lamech, Bishop Valentinus, the beheading in Buffalo NY, emotionless relatives on Larry King & Flight 3407's passenger list, Beverly Eckhart, Aon Corporation, Burma & Cyclone Nargis, the world economy/middle east/war on terror, the movie The International, G7 & G8, prophecy in Revelation, the EU, the elite, the UN...


TIME: 2:27:52


SIZE: 25.4 MB


DOWNLOAD LINKS: http://www.mediafire.com/?qjnn22myjze
OR
http://rapidshare.com/files/19828537...space.mp3.html


STREAM LINK: zSHARE -


Someone wrote earlier that the dates etc only 'link' or 'resonate' because we will them too. Imho there IS a certain amount of this but look at it another way: 'they' want us to create chaos here so 'they' can create their total lockdown fascist new world order which will allow 'them' to remain in control.

I agree that we do create our own reality and 'they' could/do actually make us do this - easy when you own all the accesses/doorways to our minds ie TV, film, games, culture etc.

However, once you are able to READ what 'they' are doing then you can avoid falling into their traps, specifically set to ensnare us.

Of course, the best defence is to be absolutely spiritually awake and aware and to know who the real enemy is, who works for 'him' and the bottom line is to save your own soul and alert as many people as possible to this sick and ongoing 'game' which 'they' wish to continue to control on behalf of their 'god'.

It's not just about what happens here on Earth 'now' don't forget. . .

ritchs
16-02-2009, 08:47 AM
Didnae know that with Beverly...she was a strong woman
(I have watched their documentary). Sad Loss!!
But I did'nt know this either:
Apparently by the Hudson River Plane Crash - among the roughly 150 people on the plane,
which was bound for Charlotte, N.C.,
were some of the top officials from the United States largest bank
and largest financial services company in the World, Bank of America

No only that (sorry don't have a link) but these Bank of A honchos had just finished negotiations with the government for bailout money and were headed home!

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 09:15 AM
No only that (sorry don't have a link) but these Bank of A honchos had just finished negotiations with the government for bailout money and were headed home!

I heard that the Bank of America is a Jesuit bank:

VATICAN BANK SUED FOR ALLEGED WAR CRIMES

by Sherman H. Skolnick

Note: case is Emil Alperin et al. vs. Vatican Bank et al., No. 99 C 4941, U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, filed 11/15/99.

snip

Headquartered there is the Bank of America, owned jointly by the Vatican, the Jesuits, and the Rothschilds. The parent holding company, Bank America, has been reportedly largely bought out by the Japanese mafia, the Yakuza. Most every bank in California is reportedly owned by the Yakuza. Seldom mentioned by the news fakers: the Yakuza is the main force in West Coast dope trafficking.

snip

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/vaticanbank.html

According to another site, the J's own 51% of the shares of BofA

gilly
16-02-2009, 09:20 AM
I heard that the Bank of America is a Jesuit bank:

VATICAN BANK SUED FOR ALLEGED WAR CRIMES

by Sherman H. Skolnick

Note: case is Emil Alperin et al. vs. Vatican Bank et al., No. 99 C 4941, U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, filed 11/15/99.

snip

Headquartered there is the Bank of America, owned jointly by the Vatican, the Jesuits, and the Rothschilds. The parent holding company, Bank America, has been reportedly largely bought out by the Japanese mafia, the Yakuza. Most every bank in California is reportedly owned by the Yakuza. Seldom mentioned by the news fakers: the Yakuza is the main force in West Coast dope trafficking.

snip

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/vaticanbank.html

According to another site, the J's own 51% of the shares of BofA

Just when I thought nothing could surprise me any more!

gilly
16-02-2009, 10:50 AM
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/16/content_10828551.htm

This latest reports states "Final motions of the aircraft were so "drastic" that the plane's autopilot automatically disengaged and warnings sounded, Chealander said, citing information from the plane's flight data and cockpit voice recorders."

Didn't a previous report assert that the plane was found to still be on auto-pilot, in possible breach of normal procedure?

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 11:02 AM
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/16/content_10828551.htm

This latest reports states "Final motions of the aircraft were so "drastic" that the plane's autopilot automatically disengaged and warnings sounded, Chealander said, citing information from the plane's flight data and cockpit voice recorders."

Didn't a previous report assert that the plane was found to still be on auto-pilot, in possible breach of normal procedure?

I was dozily watching the "news" overnight where the use of auto-pilot was being discussed by an ATSB op - he said it isn't unusual to have auto-pilot on when approaching a landing and it appeared as though the plane was on auto when it 'crashed' or 'fell' onto the house...

Being a bit of a conspiricist (understatement) - 'they' are trying to cover something up with the most convincing storyline...

gilly
16-02-2009, 11:07 AM
How convincing do they think they are when they contradict themselves like this? Do they seriously think the public are completely thick?

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 11:11 AM
How convincing do they think they are when they contradict themselves like this? Do they seriously think the public are completely thick?

'Cognitive dissonance' - aka 'rabbit in the headlight syndrome'.

Your head will be so swimming with this or that that eventually you will walk away...that's what 'they' hope - imho, of course. It seems to be one of 'their' favourite tactics.

ThierryHenry
16-02-2009, 02:06 PM
I'm not sure what the bare-bones are of what happened with this one, although im sure time will tell.

One thing for definate:

planes don't just fall out of sky
(i have flown solo a few times and can honestly say a plane is miles safer than a car in terms of the odds of something going wrong)

So to 'yellowjacket': it is a conspiracy. You know it.

also, when this first happened it came on UK news as 49 people dead (not sure if they were only counting the passengers or if they didn't know about the resident at the time). As soon as I heard that the number 13 came to my head. This is probably a ritual.

gilly
16-02-2009, 05:41 PM
http://www.newser.com/story/50967/plane-plummeted-20-times-faster-than-normal.html
I've read before that the plane plummeted 800 feet in 5 seconds, but hadn't realised that this was (as this article states) 20 x faster than the normal dropping speed.

I want to understand this information, & I'm not sure that I do.

There's been no mention of the engine cutting out before impact, so, as it reportedly nose-dived, did it not, in fact, simply fly straight down those 800 feet in 5 secs?

gilly
16-02-2009, 06:58 PM
I've re-read an earlier report where it was stated the plane didn't nose-dive after all - it was the original eye-witnesses who saw it nose-dive.

What a lot of contradictions already for such a limited amount of detail that's been gathered!

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 07:24 PM
I've re-read an earlier report where it was stated the plane didn't nose-dive after all - it was the original eye-witnesses who saw it nose-dive.

What a lot of contradictions already for such a limited amount of detail that's been gathered!

I know I keep promoting it but I highly recommend the 'Spaceman' mp3 in my original post. He talks about the plane 'dropping' out of the sky and the occult numerology surrounding such an event.

I haven't yet managed to get half way through the mp3 since I downloaded it 24 hours ago - although I've listened to the first half 3 times - but I will.

I wonder if we'll ever discover who lived in the house where the plane dropped? ? ?

ThierryHenry
16-02-2009, 07:27 PM
dropping 800ft in 5 seconds sounds like a nose dive


and I CANT believe they're shifting the blame towards ice!

Fuckin ridiculous

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 07:36 PM
dropping 800ft in 5 seconds sounds like a nose dive


and I CANT believe they're shifting the blame towards ice!

Fuckin ridiculous

Ice/snow. . .death by water. Sully aka Chesley Sullenburger and the airplane crash into the Hudson - were those people supposed to die by water???

911, Oklahoma, Waco, Oz fires, Holocaust ('burnt offering') - death by fire. . .

shankara
16-02-2009, 07:54 PM
I live in the suburbs of Buffalo and in our newspaper today the front page story shows how even up to 1 minute before the crash the flight data showed that everything was normal. It was only in the final 26 seconds that anything went wrong. Now granted, I know nothing about planes, but if the cause was icing, wouldn't it be a more gradual problem? And how could ice cause the plane to be descending normally, then out of nowhere make an abrupt pitch 31 degrees (far steeper than normal during take-off), then dip down to a 45 degree angle while turning onto it's side at 105 degrees, then rolling backwards, away from the airport (where flight data is missing in the last 5 seconds)? It sounds strange to me the icing could cause such that. Also, if the engine died, would even that cause the plane to spin and go up and down like that, rather than just fall? Maybe it would, I guess someone with more knowledge on planes could answer that question.

The newspaper reports that the plane hit flat, but on television the witnesses were saying that it nosedived. The paper also says that the weather was not bad here, so how could it have been caused by icing, especially when other planes had no problems? This was also a new plane, just having been put into use in 2008. This is just so sad.

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 08:06 PM
I live in the suburbs of Buffalo and in our newspaper today the front page story shows how even up to 1 minute before the crash the flight data showed that everything was normal. It was only in the final 26 seconds that anything went wrong. Now granted, I know nothing about planes, but if the cause was icing, wouldn't it be a more gradual problem? And how could ice cause the plane to be descending normally, then out of nowhere make an abrupt pitch 31 degrees (far steeper than normal during take-off), then dip down to a 45 degree angle while turning onto it's side at 105 degrees, then rolling backwards, away from the airport (where flight data is missing in the last 5 seconds)? It sounds strange to me the icing could cause such that. Also, if the engine died, would even that cause the plane to spin and go up and down like that, rather than just fall? Maybe it would, I guess someone with more knowledge on planes could answer that question.

The newspaper reports that the plane hit flat, but on television the witnesses were saying that it nosedived. The paper also says that the weather was not bad here, so how could it have been caused by icing, especially when other planes had no problems? This was also a new plane, just having been put into use in 2008. This is just so sad.


For me, Shankara, the answer lies within this text which I posted earlier ie Eckert and Jesuits. . .

snip

Beverly Eckert, Sept. 11 Widow, Died in Fiery Buffalo Flight 3407 Crash

Eckert was flying to Buffalo to honor what would have been her husband Sean Rooney's 58th birthday.

She was scheduled to present a Canisius High School student with a scholarship created in his name.

After the 9/11 attacks, Eckert became a passionate voice for all the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.

At the White House today President Obama singled out Eckert after expressing condolences for all the victims. "She was an inspiration to me and so many others," Obama said.

Last week, Eckert met Obama in the White House with other relatives of the victims of Sept. 11 and the bombing of the USS Cole to discuss the new administration's fight against terror.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=6870794&page=1

http://www.canisiushigh.org/

Mission Statement

Canisius High School, located in the city of Buffalo, is a Catholic, Jesuit, independent, college preparatory school serving young men of diverse backgrounds from Western New York. Canisius challenges its students to strive for excellence as critical thinkers and effective communicators who are open to growth, intellectually competent, religiously oriented, loving, and committed to justice.

snip

Having seen the pictures of the area you live ie Buffalo I think it looks like a lovely place to live and I envy you, as I live in England which over the years has been murdered by the new world order, physically, mentally and spiritually.

Those who fought in wars to defend our freedoms must be turning in their graves if they can see what we've allowed to happen and what those we trusted have done to us.

Is there any news about the house and occupant upon which the plane fell yet? I have a feeling that it might be someone like Beverley Eckert who 'knew' something is very, very rotten in Denmark, as they say.

ranran
16-02-2009, 08:17 PM
How convincing do they think they are when they contradict themselves like this? Do they seriously think the public are completely thick?

Actually, I think they are past the point of caring if the public notice anything or even say anything. The WTC "attack" was nearly 8 years ago. We've had groups complaining loudly about the holes in the "official" crap. What has changed so far as the govt's response to public outcry?

NOTHING!!!!!!


They have long stopped listening or caring about the public. The will do as they wish.

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 08:26 PM
Actually, I think they are past the point of caring if the public notice anything or even say anything. The WTC "attack" was nearly 8 years ago. We've had groups complaining loudly about the holes in the "official" crap. What has changed so far as the govt's response to public outcry?

NOTHING!!!!!!


They have long stopped listening or caring about the public. The will do as they wish.

I'm very sad to say ranran but I completely, totally and utterly agree with you.

Our so called 'governments' have only contempt for us and subsequently, so too the police, military and local government employees too who have all forgotten that they are supposed to work for us as opposed to the banksters.

The 'system' is dead.

If it helps - and I'm not sure if you live in the UK or not, there's a movement in here called 'lawful rebellion'. You can watch ordinary but extraordinary English people exposing what people like you and me already know here:

http://www.tpuc.org/

Watch Brian Gerrish; John Harris and Albert Burgess expose those we're referring to

ranran
16-02-2009, 08:38 PM
so too the police, military and local government employees too who have all forgotten that they are supposed to work for us as opposed to the banksters.

True, maybe they will remember that before it's too late. Maybe they will remember that when the "system" turns on them.

I live in the USA, a subsidiary of the United Kingdom - via "the Virginia Company" and both are owned by the Pope.:mad::eek:

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 08:49 PM
True, maybe they will remember that before it's too late. Maybe they will remember that when the "system" turns on them.

I live in the USA, a subsidiary of the United Kingdom - via "the Virginia Company" and both are owned by the Pope.:mad::eek:

I think - and I have to believe - that everything that happens wakes all of us up at some point and on some level.

As said previously, this is an individual spiritual journey that we must all take alone but the 'system' has you believe that you can't be 'alone' and that you are a loner/outcast if you're happy that way.

Personally, even though I have 3 grown up children I love being alone with my thoughts/in peace which has helped me 'see' through the illusion of 'the system' and how it seeks to control and 'milk' everyone.

You're absolutely correct imho, that the 'Virginia company' aka the British East India Company/The Crown still controls the US, UK and virtually the rest of the world - all part of the illusion we're supposed to believe we live in.

The more true light that's shed upon the dirt of 'the system', the more will walk away from the illusion and regain their sovereign, responsible and independent way of life. I very much live in REAL/TRUE hope, not that sold by Obama and his corporate/fascist/zionist/vatican bankster backers.

ranran
16-02-2009, 09:17 PM
http://www.mayanmajix.com/lab_F1.html

The above link is from a website about the Mayan Calendar. Interesting is the fact that through each "period" or step of the pyramid you see hope. Let me explain -

Each cycle begins AND ends on a "day" and therefore you have 2 positive periods occurring back-to-back. This site as well as others dealing with 2012 have the same recurring idea. That is that "Love, Creation, God" will not let us all be left high and dry. I only hope I live to see it.

There is a talk or two on google video by Ian in which he breaks things down to small bites and is easy to understand. Ian converted the Mayan calendar dates to our format.

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 09:50 PM
http://www.mayanmajix.com/lab_F1.html

The above link is from a website about the Mayan Calendar. Interesting is the fact that through each "period" or step of the pyramid you see hope. Let me explain -

Each cycle begins AND ends on a "day" and therefore you have 2 positive periods occurring back-to-back. This site as well as others dealing with 2012 have the same recurring idea. That is that "Love, Creation, God" will not let us all be left high and dry. I only hope I live to see it.

There is a talk or two on google video by Ian in which he breaks things down to small bites and is easy to understand. Ian converted the Mayan calendar dates to our format.

Hey thanks for the link ranran - I've seen Ian Lundgold and Dr Calleman before - and have seen a few vids on 2012 which were fascinating. I haven't actually seen the site/link you sent which seems to be more simply explained.

Like Planet X (groan) I've steered clear of 2012 in general but having listened and seen Rik Clay's work on ZION/2102 at redicecreations.com I've become more interested in how 'they' are using the date rather than what we should be doing.

I'll investigate the site/link further and thanks again.

arten
16-02-2009, 09:54 PM
Apparently the Plane was flying on auto pilot when it went down, and you have those people I call them Idiots, saying that the planes used in 9/11 could not be taken over by remote control or put on auto pilot before they hit the towers.:rolleyes:

gilly
16-02-2009, 10:08 PM
Apparently the Plane was flying on auto pilot when it went down, and you have those people I call them Idiots, saying that the planes used in 9/11 could not be taken over by remote control or put on auto pilot before they hit the towers.:rolleyes:


Just a reminder of a contradiction in claims .....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...t_10828551.htm

This latest reports states "Final motions of the aircraft were so "drastic" that the plane's autopilot automatically disengaged and warnings sounded, Chealander said, citing information from the plane's flight data and cockpit voice recorders."

Didn't a previous report assert that the plane was found to still be on auto-pilot, in possible breach of normal procedure?

sukyspook
16-02-2009, 10:11 PM
Apparently the Plane was flying on auto pilot when it went down, and you have those people I call them Idiots, saying that the planes used in 9/11 could not be taken over by remote control or put on auto pilot before they hit the towers.:rolleyes:

I've read several times that ALL Boeing, and hence, presumably it's possible with other planes, can be taken over remotely anywhere in the world:


# [Updated 07/22/06 - 1AM EST]
HawksCAFE @ ARG
Assassins on autopilot for Iridium 66?

I have analyzed the expert maneuvers executed by four novice pilots - all first-time flyers of Boeing passenger jets - and their 'al-Q' assassination teams on 9/11.

I conclude the four hijacked planes were flown through waypoints uploaded to automatic pilots through the Boeing-operated Iridium 66 satellite communications network.
www.dvagroup.com/Audio%20...r%20V4.htm
www.mdacorporation.com/ne...50301.html

On 9/11, Iridium 66 was in the custody of the CAI Private Equity Group - an alleged front for the C.I.A. - which handles investments for private individuals, including Geneva-based members of the Os b Laden and Saddam Hussein families.
www.caifunds.com/ourinvestors.html

For the purposes of 9/11, Boeing passenger jets appear to have been pre-modified by the Iridium 66 ground crews to participate in the bogus "Global Guardian" war games with ...

"... additional engineering of the aircraft data system, the capability of real-time monitoring of cockpit audio and flight data expanded"

"[Modified] on-aircraft data acquisition .. to transmit flight data when critical flight parameters out of preset boundaries"

"[Modified] on-aircraft data transmission to sample flight data at a lower rate and transmit less information during nominal performance situations or certain phases of the [war games]"

"[Integrated] Iridium communications capability into a larger hybrid network of combined ground-based and satellite-based communications to support the full [9/11 war-game scenario].

"[Addition] of two-way communications between the ground and cockpit .. to [faciliate 9/11 attacks]. These include the capability to access the aircraft autopilot from the ground to place the aircraft [into its target and avoid interception]. In addition .. provide still images from the interior of the aircraft .. [for real-time war game command and control].

snip - rest at:

http://www.hawkscafe.com/042806.html

Main articles page - some very interesting stuff here:

http://www.hawkscafe.com/

What was the name of one of those satellites that 'crashed' last week? Oh that's right, Iridium...hmmmm:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Iridium Satellite LLC said Thursday it had no advance warning of an impending collision between one of its communications satellites and a defunct Russian military satellite above Siberia.

Amid questions of liability, negligence and possible lawsuits, the closely held company rejected suggestions that it might have come to disregard "conjunction reports" -- potential accident alerts -- routinely relayed by the U.S. military.

snip

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090212/ts_nm/us_space_collision_usa

So could a satellite have brought down the plane in Buffalo?? I would imagine it would be a little less complicated than steering passenger jets remotely into buildings over NY eh!

Did you ever wonder about that spate of sports hall collapes around the world??? Me too...

shankara
16-02-2009, 11:25 PM
For me, Shankara, the answer lies within this text which I posted earlier ie Eckert and Jesuits. . .

snip

Beverly Eckert, Sept. 11 Widow, Died in Fiery Buffalo Flight 3407 Crash

Eckert was flying to Buffalo to honor what would have been her husband Sean Rooney's 58th birthday.

She was scheduled to present a Canisius High School student with a scholarship created in his name.

After the 9/11 attacks, Eckert became a passionate voice for all the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.

At the White House today President Obama singled out Eckert after expressing condolences for all the victims. "She was an inspiration to me and so many others," Obama said.

Last week, Eckert met Obama in the White House with other relatives of the victims of Sept. 11 and the bombing of the USS Cole to discuss the new administration's fight against terror.

Yeah, I definitely agree with this.

Canisius High School, located in the city of Buffalo, is a Catholic, Jesuit, independent, college preparatory school serving young men of diverse backgrounds from Western New York. Canisius challenges its students to strive for excellence as critical thinkers and effective communicators who are open to growth, intellectually competent, religiously oriented, loving, and committed to justice.

I think this high school is where journalist and Meet the Press anchor Tim Russert graduated from.


Having seen the pictures of the area you live ie Buffalo I think it looks like a lovely place to live and I envy you, as I live in England which over the years has been murdered by the new world order, physically, mentally and spiritually.

Really? In the U.S. Buffalo is not considered a desirable place to live. It's part of the "rust belt" with most of the manufacturing jobs now gone. It's a blue collar town, the economy is bad (well, it is everywhere now) and we have bad winters, a lot of snow, cloudy, really cold weather. The suburbs aren't too bad though. I've always just thought it had had stagnant energy. However, I just got back from 2 weeks in southern California, and though I thought I would love it, it actually made me appreciate Buffalo. For me, the most valuable thing is a tranquil, peaceful environment, and where I live (about 20 miles south of the city), it's easy to get to nature where there isn't a million people and gated communities and BMW's everywhere. California was just too busy and crowded (and expensive) for me. I've always wanted to visit England, maybe date a British guy. Those accents are hot!

I haven't heard much about the occupant of the house that was hit. Only that his wife and daughter were in another part of the house and escaped. There is actually a lot of houses in that area. It's a miracle (or was it planned?) that only one was hit.

samiam
17-02-2009, 02:36 AM
I'm so bothered by this. They aren't even hiding it, it's so obvious someoone was involved in making this plane crash. To most likely send a message to other September 11th widows? or those in the 9/11 truth campaign?

Recently on the news today they showed a plane with a huge bird (looked like an eagle, but can't be sure)that flew into the window of it and broke the glass. The plane had to do an emergency landing. I think their trying to send messages through plane crashes. THE EAGLE signifies America...and it died on impact.

sukyspook
17-02-2009, 07:51 AM
I'm so bothered by this. They aren't even hiding it, it's so obvious someoone was involved in making this plane crash. To most likely send a message to other September 11th widows? or those in the 9/11 truth campaign?

Recently on the news today they showed a plane with a huge bird (looked like an eagle, but can't be sure)that flew into the window of it and broke the glass. The plane had to do an emergency landing. I think their trying to send messages through plane crashes. THE EAGLE signifies America...and it died on impact.

I am convinced and I know there is much speculation that the symbol of the 'eagle' began its existance as a phoenix which of course self-immolates and is re-born again....and again....and again.

It's also my belief that the offspring or remnants of the same 'entities' who were the fallen angels and hence manifested as the bloodline of Cain have been in control since well B.C. (before Christ - I still use that term) and were: the Phoenicians (named after the phoenix maybe?) who eventually probably morphed into the Venetians and hence - banksters and they were also the Babylonians and hece the lion symbol.

'They' infiltrated and hence took over every civilization since, down to the huge scam/publicity stunt of Christopher Columbus 'finding' the 'new world' and they worship a pantheon of 'gods' headed by satan, the 'god' of this world and who represents pure materialism and everything 'heavy' and dark (see Persephone, goddess of the underworld atop Capitol Hill - named after Capitoline Hill in Rome, one of the 'seven hills' in The Bible. What's the pagan 'goddess of the underworld' doing over a "government" supposed to be 'one nation under God' - which 'god' is that then?

'They' were/are still the moneylenders in the temple which Christ overturned the tables of and THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO RETAIN AND CONSOLIDATE THEIR CONTROL over the entire planet.

You will find them anywhere the money is and by the colour red; the cross (as in St George - thereby hangs another tale imho); the lion (of babylon) and all the other astrological symbols/planetary symbols, hexagrams, pentagrams etc etc.

You see, there is nothing that I can show to anyone to prove the existence of a Creator but I 'know' (for myself, of course). However, everything else is controlled by the satanic bloodline (and willing lackies) which comprises the usual suspects connected to the creation of the 'Federal Reserve' - which is neither and the 'Bank of England' - which it isn't...

Many believe that the 'eagle' represents Horus - another 'incarnation' of satan or maybe just a possessed individual? And of course the Obama 'winged disk' has been quite prominent of late, no?

'They' have an agenda that is not in the best interests of you and me.

We have armed and paid for all their weaponry through our taxes etc that they use on and against us.

I therefore believe that strengthening our spiritual selves is the first thing we should do to defeat 'them'. From spiritual strength springs bravery which defeats any fear we may have.

'They' can only rule us if we live in fear.

Of course, this plane crash, as all the other 'conspiracies' may well just be that - conspiracies and just plain accidents/terror attacks.

I don't believe that for one minute so I'll continue to join the dots, watch, wait and speak of what I 'see' in the hope that others will 'see' too.

Eagle, smeagle! Never mind symbols. It's what's in our own hearts that matters.

Today Obama signs the new 'stimulus' bill in DENVER - you know, the place with the fascist murals all over the walls of the airport.

Like the Buffalo plane crash - is it another sign to us? I think so.

Imho, 'they' are trying to instill the 'crash' of the current system through the various satellites/planes/bird strikes and that you should just put your faith in 'their' man/marionette Obama and everything will be well.

However, it's not working as 'they' planned. . .

And Shankara - would that be the Tim Russert who asked Bush and Kerry about their membership of 'the pirates' aka Skull and Bones?? I believe this might have been why he was 'taken out' - or did he just die. . .will we ever know. Would 'they' do such a thing?? Is the Pope supposed to be Catholic? lol!!

Believe me, Buffalo, even though it's probably covered daily in Chemtrails, looks a whole lot better than most UK cities do. England, when the sun shines and when it's in its natural state, is beautiful. However 'the builders' have created a shanty town out of every city here.

I hope we get to know who the unfortunate householder was who had a few people 'drop in' last Friday the 13th. . .

pri01
17-02-2009, 08:04 AM
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I am convinced and I know there is much speculation that the symbol of the 'eagle' began its existance as a phoenix which of course self-immolates and is re-born again....and again....and again.

It's also my belief that the offspring or remnants of the same 'entities' who were the fallen angels and hence manifested as the bloodline of Cain have been in control since well B.C. (before Christ - I still use that term) and were: the Phoenicians (named after the phoenix maybe?) who eventually probably morphed into the Venetians and hence - banksters and they were also the Babylonians and hece the lion symbol.

'They' infiltrated and hence took over every civilization since, down to the huge scam/publicity stunt of Christopher Columbus 'finding' the 'new world' and they worship a pantheon of 'gods' headed by satan, the 'god' of this world and who represents pure materialism and everything 'heavy' and dark (see Persephone, goddess of the underworld atop Capitol Hill - named after Capitoline Hill in Rome, one of the 'seven hills' in The Bible. What's the pagan 'goddess of the underworld' doing over a "government" supposed to be 'one nation under God' - which 'god' is that then?

'They' were/are still the moneylenders in the temple which Christ overturned the tables of and THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO RETAIN AND CONSOLIDATE THEIR CONTROL over the entire planet.

You will find them anywhere the money is and by the colour red; the cross (as in St George - thereby hangs another tale imho); the lion (of babylon) and all the other astrological symbols/planetary symbols, hexagrams, pentagrams etc etc.

You see, there is nothing that I can show to anyone to prove the existence of a Creator but I 'know' (for myself, of course). However, everything else is controlled by the satanic bloodline (and willing lackies) which comprises the usual suspects connected to the creation of the 'Federal Reserve' - which is neither and the 'Bank of England' - which it isn't...

Many believe that the 'eagle' represents Horus - another 'incarnation' of satan or maybe just a possessed individual? And of course the Obama 'winged disk' has been quite prominent of late, no?

'They' have an agenda that is not in the best interests of you and me.

We have armed and paid for all their weaponry through our taxes etc that they use on and against us.

I therefore believe that strengthening our spiritual selves is the first thing we should do to defeat 'them'. From spiritual strength springs bravery which defeats any fear we may have.

'They' can only rule us if we live in fear.

Of course, this plane crash, as all the other 'conspiracies' may well just be that - conspiracies and just plain accidents/terror attacks.

I don't believe that for one minute so I'll continue to join the dots, watch, wait and speak of what I 'see' in the hope that others will 'see' too.

Eagle, smeagle! Never mind symbols. It's what's in our own hearts that matters.

Today Obama signs the new 'stimulus' bill in DENVER - you know, the place with the fascist murals all over the walls of the airport.

Like the Buffalo plane crash - is it another sign to us? I think so.

Imho, 'they' are trying to instill the 'crash' of the current system through the various satellites/planes/bird strikes and that you should just put your faith in 'their' man/marionette Obama and everything will be well.

However, it's not working as 'they' planned.
Very good post.

ritchs
17-02-2009, 08:12 AM
Actually, I think they are past the point of caring if the public notice anything or even say anything. The WTC "attack" was nearly 8 years ago. We've had groups complaining loudly about the holes in the "official" crap. What has changed so far as the govt's response to public outcry?

NOTHING!!!!!!


They have long stopped listening or caring about the public. The will do as they wish.


Not only all this, but they add insult to injury by labeling all the 'truthers' as crackpots. The main stream media talk bullies like Hannity, O'Reilly, and Beltway Boys etc. When someone offers an alternate opinion of anything but the party line, they just shout them down, viscously, till the veins in their necks are standing out

… We should never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories. ...
George W. Bush

I can't remember the last time when there was genuine intelligent debate on TV. It's been that long ago. I've long given up watching television. It's a noise machine, blaring out the mantras of what they want us to believe, as if repeating over and over a lie until they think it somehow morphs into the truth. Newspapers and magazines are also state propaganda instruments.
With little exaggeration, we have finally reached the point where George Winston sits at his cubby, rewriting 'facts' to fit the current situation at the Ministry of Truth. This forum and others like it, are like remote outposts, a vestibule of a former life.

sukyspook
17-02-2009, 08:36 AM
Not only all this, but they add insult to injury by labeling all the 'truthers' as crackpots. The main stream media talk bullies like Hannity, O'Reilly, and Beltway Boys etc. When someone offers an alternate opinion of anything but the party line, they just shout them down, viscously, till the veins in their necks are standing out

… We should never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories. ...
George W. Bush

I can't remember the last time when there was genuine intelligent debate on TV. It's been that long ago. I've long given up watching television. It's a noise machine, blaring out the mantras of what they want us to believe, as if repeating over and over a lie until they think it somehow morphs into the truth. Newspapers and magazines are also state propaganda instruments.
With little exaggeration, we have finally reached the point where George Winston sits at his cubby, rewriting 'facts' to fit the current situation at the Ministry of Truth. This forum and others like it, are like remote outposts, a vestibule of a former life.



I completely agree.

Apart from a spiritual perspective, the next piece of armour we need is information - any and all. Only through discovering the real Truth for ourselves can we realise what Shakespeare (whoever he really was) said that:

"All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players"....until we 'see' the players and walk away.

anahata
17-02-2009, 10:15 AM
I'm so bothered by this. They aren't even hiding it, it's so obvious someoone was involved in making this plane crash.

Oh really?

Sorry guys I'm just not feeling this one. Anyone made a mistake in the last week or had an accident? Well they happen to pilots and aeroplanes too! Are they actually expected to be invincible or something? :confused:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/safety/pf/pf_howsafe.html

According to dated stats* from 2000, "...the world's commercial jet airlines carried approximately 1.09 billion people on 18 million flights" (that year) That figure divided by 365 days per year is 49,315 flights per day and being 2007, it's probably more.

Sooooo don't you think somthing might just go wrong every now and again?

sukyspook
17-02-2009, 10:21 AM
Oh really?

Sorry guys I'm just not feeling this one. Anyone made a mistake in the last week or had an accident? Well they happen to pilots and aeroplanes too! Are they actually expected to be invincible or something? :confused:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/safety/pf/pf_howsafe.html

According to dated stats* from 2000, "...the world's commercial jet airlines carried approximately 1.09 billion people on 18 million flights" (that year) That figure divided by 365 days per year is 49,315 flights per day and being 2007, it's probably more.

Sooooo don't you think somthing might just go wrong every now and again?


Of course, accidents do happen - like satellites falling out of the sky, submarine's crashing, planes landing on the Hudson and planes dropping onto a house with no prior warning and that's just over the past few weeks. . .

Incidentally, the Buffalo plane wasn't a jet.

entrangermercenary
17-02-2009, 12:17 PM
Oh really?

Sorry guys I'm just not feeling this one. Anyone made a mistake in the last week or had an accident? Well they happen to pilots and aeroplanes too! Are they actually expected to be invincible or something? :confused:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/safety/pf/pf_howsafe.html

According to dated stats* from 2000, "...the world's commercial jet airlines carried approximately 1.09 billion people on 18 million flights" (that year) That figure divided by 365 days per year is 49,315 flights per day and being 2007, it's probably more.

Sooooo don't you think somthing might just go wrong every now and again?

Sensible post :)

anahata
17-02-2009, 01:07 PM
Of course, accidents do happen - like satellites falling out of the sky, submarine's crashing, planes landing on the Hudson and planes dropping onto a house with no prior warning and that's just over the past few weeks. . .

Incidentally, the Buffalo plane wasn't a jet.

I'll admit, submarine collisions are a bit too much of a fuck up to happen naturally but lets not get silly you can't blame every incident on government agenda.

loki
17-02-2009, 01:31 PM
You want there to be some grand conspiracy behind it

Oh jeez it only happened a few days ago and you expect all the answers right away. I happen to have family working at the crash site trying to get it figured out...maybe give them a day or two to put it together before you start following "loose ends"


alot of us have been at this a long time and have a certain ability to know when something dosnt add up ... the real truth is there is no such thing as a coincidence people like 911 activists and humans rights activist just dont happen to be on a plane that crashed with no distress signal and no warning from the pilots at all esspecially over suburban areas ... i think its you who is tarnishing the name of the survivors for letting the lie about there deaths continue

gilly
17-02-2009, 02:00 PM
I'll admit, submarine collisions are a bit too much of a fuck up to happen naturally but lets not get silly you can't blame every incident on government agenda.

You're perfectly at liberty to make of it what you will, but kindly don't start making comments like, "Let's not get silly".

There's nothing silly about me, the other posters, or this thread at all.

The circumstances were highly suspicious even before the small amount of evidence the investigators have so far released proved to be full of self contradictions.

sukyspook
17-02-2009, 02:13 PM
You're perfectly at liberty to make of it what you will, but kindly don't start making comments like, "Let's not get silly".

There's nothing silly about me, the other posters, or this thread at all.

The circumstances were highly suspicious even before the small amount of evidence the investigators have so far released proved to be full of self contradictions.

Well said gilly.

If there's a thread I don't like or can't 'buy' - I leave that thread to those who want to speculate and hence further understand the world we are 'living' in.

I don't waft in and 'diss' those swapping ideas - I have too much respect for other people.

For the record, I have seen an increase in 'thread killing' over the past few months on this forum. . .sometimes the 'killers' work in a 3 x person 'pack' it would appear - or am I being paranoid lol!

The wonderful Dr John Coleman explains the real meaning of 'paranoid' at 2' 16":

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

anahata
17-02-2009, 04:33 PM
Ey eye ey what's with the defensive remarks? Before wafting off, I'm not intentionally doing the dis. I'm here to discuss the crash as much as you, my initial assumption may be different but still a valid point. FFS some friends of mine died a few months ago in a small plane which lost all power and dropped from the sky killing them. I’m pretty sure that was an accident.

gilly
17-02-2009, 04:38 PM
Ey eye ey what's with the defensive remarks? Before wafting off, I'm not intentionally doing the dis. I'm here to discuss the crash as much as you, my initial assumption may be different but still a valid point. FFS some friends of mine died a few months ago in a small plane which lost all power and dropped from the sky killing them. I’m pretty sure that was an accident.

As already made clear, you're welcome to your opinion, but don't expect to get away with implying people who disagree are silly.

I'm sorry your friends died in a plane crash, and offer my sincere condolences - but (and not wishing this to cause offence), it's irrelevant to this discussion.

ranran
17-02-2009, 05:34 PM
Ey eye ey what's with the defensive remarks? Before wafting off, I'm not intentionally doing the dis. I'm here to discuss the crash as much as you, my initial assumption may be different but still a valid point. FFS some friends of mine died a few months ago in a small plane which lost all power and dropped from the sky killing them. I’m pretty sure that was an accident.

If I may,

I think all of us do know that "shit happens." Honestly it does. However, we will be better able to discern truth once the "authorities" tell us what happened. If the story changes several times then we know for sure that it was no accident.

Also, reports that the plane basically "dropped" out of the sky is a bit odd.:confused:

Wonder if they will be able yo find the "black boxes."

ritchs
17-02-2009, 08:28 PM
We have become, and rightly so, very cynical in our interpretation of events. We have lost our spiritual virginity after being raped in the debacle of outrageous 9/11 lies. We now prefer to error on the side of comspiracy than be 'had' again in newer and less bolder hoodwinkery and staged accidents that appear in the structured and controlled media. We will never be the same again. This started with JFK, when the government we had our total undivided trust and betrayed us. If people think I should wear a tin foil hat (and many would) I would be proud. Better to be a conspiracy theorist than a conincidence theorist. You can never go back once the veil has been lifted.

… We should never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories. ...
George W. Bush

sukyspook
17-02-2009, 08:56 PM
[QUOTE=ritchs;812243]We have become, and rightly so, very cynical in our interpretation of events. We have lost our spiritual virginity after being raped in the debacle of outrageous 9/11 lies. We now prefer to error on the side of comspiracy than be 'had' again in newer and less bolder hoodwinkery and staged accidents that appear in the structured and controlled media. We will never be the same again. This started with JFK, when the government we had our total undivided trust and betrayed us. If people think I should wear a tin foil hat (and many would) I would be proud. Better to be a conspiracy theorist than a conincidence theorist. You can never go back once the veil has been lifted.

Very well said ritchs - and especially:

You can never go back once the veil has been lifted.

...and I, for one, would never, EVER want to go back.

horus13
17-02-2009, 09:09 PM
i see this thread has degenerated into people who actually know what's going on defending themselves against people attacking them for knowing what's going on, when they obviously have no idea what's happening themselves. this is what's basically wrong with this forum....why come on a conspiracy based forum that's hosted from a website of a man who believes reptilians are controlling the world and say deflamatory things about people who are uncovering the truth? the world was once flat you know. i think the detractors need to know that the universe is an intelligent thing and things do happen that may appear to be accidents but upon further investigation you'll find a deeply entrenched semiotics and numbers game going on. are you seriously believing that a plane designed for flight in arctic conditions came down due to "frosting" on the wings?

gilly
17-02-2009, 09:19 PM
i see this thread has degenerated into people who actually know what's going on defending themselves against people attacking them for knowing what's going on, when they obviously have no idea what's happening themselves. this is what's basically wrong with this forum....why come on a conspiracy based forum that's hosted from a website of a man who believes reptilians are controlling the world and say deflamatory things about people who are uncovering the truth? the world was once flat you know. i think the detractors need to know that the universe is an intelligent thing and things do happen that may appear to be accidents but upon further investigation you'll find a deeply entrenched semiotics and numbers game going on. are you seriously believing that a plane designed for flight in arctic conditions came down due to "frosting" on the wings?

Bear in mind also that another plane of the same type, did the same journey & landed safely at it's destination 27 minutes after this one crashed with light icing noted on its wings.

horus13
17-02-2009, 09:28 PM
i seriously think "they" are laughing at the general population most of the time, or just hoping that we're so ignorant we won't question things. i've flown on bombardiers in desert regions and the pilot explained to me how it was enabled for operation at extreme climates such as the arctic, the tropics or (luckily) the desert. which is why it's so popular with the airlines that fly it. there's no way a bit of cold weather (which i believe is the official line) in new york brought the plane down. i also love how the governor of new york is actually legally blind. you couldn't make this stuff up.

steevo
17-02-2009, 09:53 PM
The state of New York isnt having much luck these days, with all the aircraft crashing there. Wierd!

Mind you, there are a hell of alot of 911 "first responders" (firemen etc) and truthers who live there, who witnessed the events of 911 first hand. So maybe THAT could explain why there are so many of these so called "accidents" happening there all the time. There are alot of them to get rid of.

sukyspook
17-02-2009, 10:05 PM
Bear in mind also that another plane of the same type, did the same journey & landed safely at it's destination 27 minutes after this one crashed with light icing noted on its wings.

I didn't know that gilly - interesting. . .

A bit of trivia - I love your new avatar kitty and ducky - awwww.

i see this thread has degenerated into people who actually know what's going on defending themselves against people attacking them for knowing what's going on, when they obviously have no idea what's happening themselves. this is what's basically wrong with this forum....why come on a conspiracy based forum that's hosted from a website of a man who believes reptilians are controlling the world and say deflamatory things about people who are uncovering the truth? the world was once flat you know. i think the detractors need to know that the universe is an intelligent thing and things do happen that may appear to be accidents but upon further investigation you'll find a deeply entrenched semiotics and numbers game going on. are you seriously believing that a plane designed for flight in arctic conditions came down due to "frosting" on the wings?

An excellent statement Horus - as I said somewhere earlier today, there a quite a few 'thread killers' of late on this forum - and sometimes more than one working together seemingly. However, the Truth WILL out so we mustn't be intimidated.
And I am well aware that mere accidents DO happen.....sometimes.

The state of New York isnt having much luck these days, with all the aircraft crashing there. Wierd!

Mind you, there are a hell of alot of 911 "first responders" (firemen etc) and truthers who live there, who witnessed the events of 911 first hand. So maybe THAT could explain why there are so many of these so called "accidents" happening there all the time. There are alot of them to get rid of.

Isn't it awful that we have to think like this Steevo - but sadly, we do. . .

I'm still interested in who the owner of the house was...

911 changed everything - initially for the worst but eventually and now more than ever, for the best for everyone who took their emotions by the scruff of the neck and put them to good use to find the Truth of everything.

steevo
17-02-2009, 11:18 PM
Isn't it awful that we have to think like this Steevo - but sadly, we do. . .

I'm still interested in who the owner of the house was...

911 changed everything - initially for the worst but eventually and now more than ever, for the best for everyone who took their emotions by the scruff of the neck and put them to good use to find the Truth of everything.

Yes Suky it IS awful how we have to think this way, but we DO have to, and it's extremely important that we talk about it and get others talking/thinking about it too. Most people (even on a forum like this) just would not even contemplate that the PTB would be so evil, because they just could handle it. This sort of thing HAS to be discussed (tactfully though) to get it out in the open, no matter how horrific it is, otherwise it will continue to happen.

3stepsahead
17-02-2009, 11:56 PM
they want to scare people not to fly

steevo
17-02-2009, 11:58 PM
they want to scare people not to fly

What just in New York ?

adbasque
18-02-2009, 12:11 AM
BEVERLY ECKERT DEAD PASSENGER---- WIDOW of Sean Rooney 911 victim... On the phone with him when "plane crashed." Chairwoman of VOICES of SEPTEMBER 11

If Someone like this was onboard, than it was no accident, it's clear
like the two congressmen, who were killed in plane crahses, seperately, both were questioning the government about the 9/11 weeks before they were killed.

Apparently, they have sophisticated devices, where they can confuse all of the plane's computer system, and jam the autopilot from the ground.

They can even take over the autopilot and remotely crash the plane, it's not fiction, the technology already exist

darryl84
18-02-2009, 12:36 AM
but (and not wishing this to cause offence), it's irrelevant to this discussion.

Not really, anahata, was suggesting that this plane crash could be an innocent accident, and told her story, because it is an example of another, probably innocent accident, to demonstrate that innocent accidents do occur sometimes.

ritchs
18-02-2009, 01:11 AM
i see this thread has degenerated into people who actually know what's going on defending themselves against people attacking them for knowing what's going on, when they obviously have no idea what's happening themselves. this is what's basically wrong with this forum....why come on a conspiracy based forum that's hosted from a website of a man who believes reptilians are controlling the world and say deflamatory things about people who are uncovering the truth? the world was once flat you know. i think the detractors need to know that the universe is an intelligent thing and things do happen that may appear to be accidents but upon further investigation you'll find a deeply entrenched semiotics and numbers game going on. are you seriously believing that a plane designed for flight in arctic conditions came down due to "frosting" on the wings?

Unfortunately this forum, and all the subtopics, have been, imo, under the attack of trolls. Trolls aren't always blatant, many are subtle and they'll agree with you and then voice some 'concerns' with one thing or another. Anything to derail the thread. On the other hand, I don't think any of us want a forum where we all agree with each other all the time, geez, wouldn't that be moronic, closeminded and boring. And all of us enjoy the spirit of debate. But there definitely are trolls visiting these forums and they can be very disruptive. Myself, I have drifted off topic many times and apologize for that. I would like to mention a feature that you can access in the User Control Panel (User CP) You can block viewing the comments of designated users. I presently have three individuals there, that I cannot see their comments when viewing threads. These three are the most obviously argumentive and disruptive in all the forums. I just flatly refuse to aggravate myself with their clever baiting and detracting. The absence of their contentious comments has contributed greatly to my enjoyment the threads! :D

shankara
18-02-2009, 01:16 AM
Here on the local Buffalo news they are reporting that the police are arresting anyone taking pictures of the crash site. I guess one man was seen taking a video recording from his roof and then he went into the house. The police entered the house without a search warrant and went through his property before confiscating the camera. They claimed that there was a 13 year old boy on the roof that they were concerned about, but a helicopter flying overhead was filming the scene of the man on the roof and the footage showed no boy there. Maybe the police are just trying to protect the victim's families from someone publishing footage, but it seems suspicious to me.

sukyspook
18-02-2009, 01:18 AM
Unfortunately this forum, and all the subtopics, have been, imo, under the attack of trolls. Trolls aren't always blatant, many are subtle and they'll agree with you and then voice some 'concerns' with one thing or another. Anything to derail the thread. On the other hand, I don't think any of us want a forum where we all agree with each other all the time, geez, wouldn't that be moronic, closeminded and boring. And all of us enjoy the spirit of debate. But there definitely are trolls visiting these forums and they can be very disruptive. Myself, I have drifted off topic many times and apologize for that. I would like to mention a feature that you can access in the User Control Panel (User CP) You can block viewing the comments of designated users. I presently have three individuals there, that I cannot see their comments when viewing threads. These three are the most obviously argumentive and disruptive in all the forums. I just flatly refuse to aggravate myself with their clever baiting and detracting. The absence of their contentious comments has contributed greatly to my enjoyment the threads! :D

That sounds an interesting plan ritchs - I get really hacked off with these 'trolling types'.
It's a bit late now but I'll definately try to block my 'suspects' as you recommend.
Thanks for the tip.

G'night all, I'm done.

Suke

the nine
18-02-2009, 01:18 AM
Unfortunately this forum, and all the subtopics, have been, imo, under the attack of trolls. Trolls aren't always blatant, many are subtle and they'll agree with you and then voice some 'concerns' with one thing or another. Anything to derail the thread. On the other hand, I don't think any of us want a forum where we all agree with each other all the time, geez, wouldn't that be moronic, closeminded and boring. And all of us enjoy the spirit of debate. But there definitely are trolls visiting these forums and they can be very disruptive. Myself, I have drifted off topic many times and apologize for that. I would like to mention a feature that you can access in the User Control Panel (User CP) You can block viewing the comments of designated users. I presently have three individuals there, that I cannot see their comments when viewing threads. These three are the most obviously argumentive and disruptive in all the forums. I just flatly refuse to aggravate myself with their clever baiting and detracting. The absence of their contentious comments has contributed greatly to my enjoyment the threads! :D



I to appologise for that..:o

In my defence, I drift off subject with people I am Talking FACE to FACE with :D

also if you can see my post I know I am not on your ignore list, however if you dont acknowledge my post, I will thus asume I am on your ignore list and that you think I am a troll..which I most definately am NOT!!!

good appropriate saying now (peter levenda)
"if you are not paranoid, then you dont know all the facts" :)

ritchs
18-02-2009, 01:30 AM
Actually nobody in this thread is on my 'do not view' list. I do not put anyone on that personal list of mine unless they are beyond the pale. I love hearing differing points of view, it keeps you 'real' and grounded and not full of yourself. It's the extreme jokers we get sick of, and I think the forum designers had that feature in mind for that! :)

the nine
18-02-2009, 01:32 AM
Actually nobody in this thread is on my 'do not view' list. I do not put anyone on that personal list of mine unless they are beyond the pale. I love hearing differing points of view, it keeps you 'real' and grounded and not full of yourself. It's the extreme jokers we get sick of, and I think the forum designers had that feature in mind for that! :)

oh thank goodness..I cant think of any worse title than a troll or shill..:D
there is scum and then there is troll scum..

thanks richts!

adbasque
18-02-2009, 03:28 AM
Actually nobody in this thread is on my 'do not view' list. I do not put anyone on that personal list of mine unless they are beyond the pale. I love hearing differing points of view, it keeps you 'real' and grounded and not full of yourself. It's the extreme jokers we get sick of, and I think the forum designers had that feature in mind for that! :)

Unless someone is very rude, and uses foul language, show no respect, I can't see why ignore people?

If I don't like someone's post I simply move on, and read the next one.
Anyway this my view, everyone is entitled to his/her view

And if I am in the list it doesn't bother me either lol :D

sukyspook
18-02-2009, 08:27 AM
Here on the local Buffalo news they are reporting that the police are arresting anyone taking pictures of the crash site. I guess one man was seen taking a video recording from his roof and then he went into the house. The police entered the house without a search warrant and went through his property before confiscating the camera. They claimed that there was a 13 year old boy on the roof that they were concerned about, but a helicopter flying overhead was filming the scene of the man on the roof and the footage showed no boy there. Maybe the police are just trying to protect the victim's families from someone publishing footage, but it seems suspicious to me.

Wooooah, that's VERY suspicious Shankara. . .

If someone is on their own property no one can stop them filming/photographing...and if someone tried to take my camera I'd have to ask for a warrant - but of course, in a global police state and with the excuse of 'anti-terror laws', 'they' can do whatever they like, for now...and of course, when we're put 'on the spot' it's very difficult to remember how to avoid all the traps set for us in 'the system':

Did you see this bunch who are standing up to a ban on police being photo'd in the UK:

Photographers Protest Against Police Anti-Terror Laws

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/Feb2009/crowd-aim_1296821i.jpg

An Englishman defends his right to film on his own property:

Common Law / Civil Law Jurisdictions - YouTube

I consider myself to be part of the 'Freeman' movement, although I haven't yet had the courage to send off for my birth certificate from the new Sec of the Treasury in the US (i'm in UK).

Also, to see how the movement is gaining momentum, if you're not already aware, I highly recommend these videos at this page:

http://www.tpuc.org/

No one's going to free us - we have to do it for ourselves. I live in hope that many more police and military people will realise they're being used to create a global gulag - and they won't escape it either!

gilly
18-02-2009, 09:27 AM
Not really, anahata, was suggesting that this plane crash could be an innocent accident, and told her story, because it is an example of another, probably innocent accident, to demonstrate that innocent accidents do occur sometimes.

My perception of her relating that people she knew died in a crash & she didn't think that was a conspiracy is...

1). completely irrelevant to this plane crash.

2). a definite insinuation that others on this forum are delusional in believing that all plane crashes must be part of some conspiracy - hence an inaccurate and insulting remark.

gilly
18-02-2009, 09:55 AM
I agree that there are trolls - I didn't know of that blocking facility Ritchs, but I prefer to see what people are saying so that I can repudiate their comments if I want to.

I see nothing wrong in going off topic, because it is like a face to face discussion, where one thing can lead to another. Anyone can join in anyway to direct the debate back if they choose to, so no harm done in my eyes.

I've just been trawling through the news sites about the crash investigation, because something's been on my mind that I read yesterday, but I can't find it now.

There was a description of rubber bladders sited across the wings, which expand & contract to disrupt ice build up. I distinctly remember reading that they were looking for them.

(They've found 5 of 6 deicing valves - are they a different thing - i think they probably are, but I'm not sure.)

And while trying to get to sleep last night, the thought came into my head...why are they looking for anything made of rubber? Wouldn't they have melted? They couldn't even start their investigative work for a good while, because of the intensity of the heat of the craft.

It's probably nothing important, but little things like that just niggle at me.