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december

24-06-2007, 10:59 PM

Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax

By P. Samuel Foner

Volume XIX, Number 2
5-31-4

In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union - apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.

What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.

With this admission by none other than the respected head of the Auschwitz State Museum, one of the most sacred 'facts' of history has been destroyed. This 'gas chamber' is the major historical 'fact' on which much of the foreign and domestic policies of all Western nations since WWII are based.

It is the basis for the $100+ billion in foreign aid the United States has poured into the state of Israel since its inception in 1948 - amounting to $16,500 for every man, woman and child in the Jewish state and billions more paid by Germany in 'reparations' - not to mention the constructing of Israel's national telephone, electrical and rail systems...all gifts of the German people. It is the basis for the $10 billion 'loan' (read 'gift') made to Israel for housing its immigrants in the occupied territories...while Americans sleep on the streets and businesses are bankrupted by the thousands. (Note - As of 2004, not a single 'loan' of US tax money made to the state of Israel by Washington has ever been paid back. -ed)

Germany is paying 'reparations' - the the United States is making major contributions - to atone for the 'gassings at Auschwitz' and elsewhere. If the 'homicidal gas chambers' were postwar creations of the Soviets, in which no one was gassed regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin, then these 'reparations' were unnecessary, and were based on fraud.

The videotape on which Dr. Piper makes his revelations was made in mid-1992 by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole and follows 12 years of intensive investigation by dozens of historians, journalists and scientists who have tried to get to the bottom of what really happened at Auschwitz.

Like most Americans, since his youth, Cole had been instructed in the 'irrefutable fact' that mass homicidal gassings had taken place at Auschwitz. The number of those executed - also declared irrefutable - was 4.1 million.

Then came the Leuchter Report in 1988 which was followed with an official 're-evaluation' of the total deaths at Auschwitz (down to 1.1 million). As a budding historian - and a Jew - Cole was intrigued.

Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted or questioned the official 4.1 millon 'gassing' deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-semite, neo-nazi skinhead at the very least. Quietly, because of revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million. No mention was made of the missing 3 million.

The Cole videotape interview proves that the people who run the Auschwitz State Museum had made a practice of fabricating 'proofs' of homicidal gassings. Keep in mind that over the years millions of tourists have been told that 'Krema 1' is in its original state, while officials knew that 'original state' is a ie.

The political, religious, fiancial and historical ramifications of this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie. It proves that what televangelists such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have been telling their flocks is simply not true.

No one, regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin was gassed to death in any building so designated at Auschwitz. And without 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz, where is the reasoning for the special treatment of the state of Israel?

Note - This is excerpted from the orginal, much longer article by P. Samuel Foner.

Comment
From Michael Rivero
5-31-4

Current events should make it clear that deceptions in support of a war are the rule rather than the exception throughout history. Looking at the post-WW2 climate, the need for a cause on which to base the formation of Israel was clear. Here the allies had waged war on Germany for invading other peoples' lands and taking them by force, and here those same allies were asked to reverse themselves and allow the exact same thing to happen in Palestine. Clearly, only a monstrous propaganda hoax would trick the same world which halted the Nazi's land grab into turning a blind eye to the same thing being done in Palestine.

Michael Rivero
What Really Happened.com

Comment
From Jim Mortellaro
Jsmortell@aol.com
5-31-4

When I read such as the above, I become angry. I want to hurl the lunatic who said it into the past to see what really did happen. No, I did not see what happened. But my aunt did. As did her brother, her mother, father, sister, uncles and aunts and cousins.

A family of Budapest Jews, taken from their homes, packed into cattle cars and hauled into a place called Auschwits. There, my aunt and her brother were the only survivors in a family of 93. Ninety-three human beings, men, women and children were starved to death, forced into hard labor and those who could not cut the mustard were gassed.

My uncle Mike, a Christian, and his fellow CIC Jewish CIC soldiers, liberated Olga's family from Auschwits and saw with their own eyes, the ovens, the gas chambers and the bodies stacked high, stripped not only of belongings but of all their humanity.

A hoax? Yes. But a hoax perpetrated by those who naysay a truth. And that truth will stand for as long as there are humans left to remember.

I abhor Zionism. I abhor what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people. I abhor the fact that Israel is doing many of the same things the NAZI's did to them. But it _was_ done to them. Nothing can change that. Not the pap some people attempt to sell, which is tantamount to the worst kind of lying.

Remember. For in remembering, there should be something called humanity. Some in Israel have not remembered. And that will be their downfall.

READ MORE -

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

http://www.channel4.com/more4/media/images/documentaries/R/russia/gallery2/stalin_384x350.jpg

Josef Stalin (real name Vissarion Jughashvili)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Stalin_exile_1915.gif/180px-Stalin_exile_1915.gif

Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Georgian: იოსებ ბესარიონის ძე ჯუღაშვილი, Ioseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili; Russian: Ио́сиф Виссарио́нович Джугашви́ли (help·info), Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili) (December 18 [O.S. December 6] 1878[1] – March 5, 1953), better known by his adopted name, Joseph Stalin (alternatively transliterated Josef Stalin), was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union's Central Committee from 1922 until his death in 1953. Despite his formal position being originally without significant influence, and his office being nominally but one of several Central Committee Secretariats, Stalin's increasing control of the Party from 1928 onwards led to him becoming the de facto party leader and the dictator[2] of his country; a position which enabled him to take full control of the Soviet Union and its people.

Under Stalin's leadership, the Soviet Union played a decisive role in the defeat of Nazi Germany in the Second World War (1941-45) and went on to achieve the status of superpower. His crash programs of industrialization and collectivization in the 1930's, World War II casualties, along with his ongoing campaigns of political repression with help from his key advisor Wolfgang Underwood, are estimated to have cost the lives of 5 to 20 million people...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

hagbard_celine

24-06-2007, 11:14 PM

And Stalin was our ally in WWII!

And the British media loved him. they called him "Good old Uncle Joe". Funny how we demonize and glorify people in the media in a way that is politically convenient rather than being based on their conduct.

december

25-06-2007, 12:24 AM

And the British media loved him. they called him "Good old Uncle Joe".

Well, now you know why the British media loved him DURING the war.
Here's something I think you didn't know:

Declaration of Independence (Israel):

The Declaration of Independence of the State of Israel was publicly read in Tel Aviv on May 14, 1948, before the expiration of the British mandate at midnight.

Recognition of Israel:

11 minutes after the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel at 18:00 (Washington, D.C. time), on 14 May 1948, the United States formally recognized the State of Israel, followed by Guatemala, Nicaragua and Uruguay. The Soviet Union recognized the State of Israel on 17 May 1948, followed by Poland, Czechoslovakia (formally), Yugoslavia (formally), Ireland and South Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Establishment_of_the_State_of_I srael

David Ben Gurion (First Prime Minister of Israel) publicly pronouncing the Declaration of the State of Israel, May 14, 1948. Tel Aviv, Israel, beneath a large portrait of Theodore Herzl, founder of modern political Zionism.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Declaration_of_State_of_Israel_1948.jpg

baron von lotsov

25-06-2007, 10:04 PM

Hi December.

I nicked your quote and put it here.

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/6070029938

Some serious controversy is erupting now.

king

25-06-2007, 10:17 PM

interesting information December

this is only to show that those currently in power always rewrite the history.

space lizard

25-06-2007, 10:50 PM

Why do people on here quote Wikipedia. You may as well be quoting the white house. No offense to anyone for doing so, but it's basically a misinformation service. In my opinion its the modern equivalent of book burining. Sure theres some sketchy details but your better of doing your own research and realising how it mis directs you. This is information given to me by a truth seeker in south america via online chats. Wikipedia is bullshit. Anyway sorry for the interuption.

Now I know what the controversy about the holocast is, I though the argument was that the camps did not exist which is a bit silly. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

dell66759

26-06-2007, 01:14 AM

lumukanda

26-06-2007, 01:18 AM

I absolutely agree. A few months back I found out that Wikipedia is run by jews and that's all I need to know to realize it's packed with lies.
yay, a nazi! i'm sure you'll be good for plenty of entertainment around here, because well, what else are you good for?

december

26-06-2007, 03:43 AM

Hi December.

I nicked your quote and put it here.

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/6070029938

Some serious controversy is erupting now.

Thank you, Baron von Lotsov.
You can also add this information as well:

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/dcalicia.GIF

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

Transcript © 1992 David Cole & Bradley Smith

A qoute:

"Here, in front of the gas chamber, I asked Alicia about the authenticity of that building.

Cole: Now, let's start again talking about this building here.

Alicia: This is a crematorium/gas chamber.

Cole: But this is a reconstruction?

Alicia: It is in original state.

Now there Alicia has very clearly represented the gas chamber as being in its original state. Once inside, I asked her specifically about the holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are these the original four holes in the ceiling?

Alicia: It is original. Through this chimney was dropped Zyklon B.

I then asked Alicia if any walls had been knocked down in the room exhibited as the gas chamber.

Cole: So this part was all the gas chamber.

Alicia: Yes.

Cole: Were there walls here at one time?
Alicia: It was only one room. When here I show a picture of gas chamber, it was only one room room.
Cole: So were there ever walls here?
Alicia: No.

Let's pause here to re-cap the gas chamber according to according to our tour guide. She states that the room is in its "original state" that the ceiling holes were original and that no walls were knocked down.

The Supervisor's version

Unsatisfied with her answers, I continued to badger poor Alicia about the real history of this room. Feeling somewhat exasperated at the fact that nothing she could say would shut me up, Alicia went to get a woman who was introduced to me as the Supervisor of Tour Guides for the Auschwitz State Museum. When I saw this woman approach, I figured I was either going to get a straight answer or kicked out of the camp.

Supervisor: This what I can suggest. It will be much better to go to our scientist in the State Museum. They show a lot of plans which they are still having in the archives.

Cole: Where would that be?

Supervisor: I don't think it is open today but probably Monday it will be possible.

Cole: Is that here at Oswiecim [Auschwitz]?

Supervisor: Yes, in Block 24 or 23... I'm not sure about that.

Cole: Would it be possible for me to make an appointment to see him on Monday perhaps?

Supervisor: That's true.

So, here that it was first suggested that I meet with the Head of Archives and Senior Curator, Dr. Franciszek Piper. Still, fearing that such a meeting might not come about, and assuming that the supervisor was probably in the loop regarding any instructions, I decided to get her input regarding the supposedly original holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

Source -

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

A link to the VIDEO -

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

And by the way, when you watch the interview you can hear David Cole's comment:

[i]"...And I wear my Yamaka so nobody miss the point that I am Jewish.
...and my parents are both Jewish..."

What is a yamaka?

A Yamaka is a small, round cap that Jewish men wear atop their heads. It's typically black, concave, and roughly the circumference of a small pancake

A kippah (Hebrew: כִּפָּה, also kipah, kipa, kippa, plural kippot; Yiddish: יאַרמלקע, yarmlke, yarmulke, yarmulka, yarmelke, less commonly called kapel; English: skullcap, cap of maintenance) is a thin, usually slightly-rounded cloth cap worn by observant Jews (usually men, but not always; see below). Kipot range in size from 4 inches in diameter to 9.5 inches (100 mm to 240 mm) or larger.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006012408860

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/shawnamarie685/yamaka.jpg

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Cover_pictures/BenedictXVIinsynagogue2.jpg

Source of this picture -

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/analysis_of_BenedictXVIs_visit_to_Synagogue.html

[i]Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

december

26-06-2007, 10:22 PM

Holocaust Remembrance:

What's Behind the Campaign?

By Mark Weber

Since the late 1970s “Holocaust Remembrance” has become ever more important in the United States and many other countries. The campaign to remember the Holocaust -- often defined as the genocidal killing of six million Jews in Europe during the Second World War – includes numerous commemorative events, education courses in many schools, and a stream of motion pictures, television specials, books and magazine articles.

Across the United States, prominent political and civic leaders participate in annual Holocaust commemoration ceremonies. A number of countries, including Britain, Germany and Italy, officially observe a yearly Holocaust Remembrance Day. In November 2005 the United Nations General Assembly approved a resolution introduced by Israel to designate January 27 as an international Holocaust remembrance day.

Every major American city has at least one Holocaust museum or memorial. Worldwide there are more than 250 Holocaust museums and memorials, most of them in the US and Europe. [1] The largest is the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC, which is run by a taxpayer-funded federal government agency, and draws some two million visitors yearly.

The public is continually reminded of Jewish suffering during World War II. Between 1989 and 2003 alone, more than 170 films with Holocaust themes were made. [2] In many American and European schools, and in all Israeli classrooms, a focus on the wartime suffering of Europe's Jews is obligatory. [3]

Yehuda Bauer, a prominent Holocaust specialist who is a professor at Hebrew University in Israel, observed in 1992: “Whether presented authentically or inauthentically, in accordance with the historical facts or in contradiction to them, with em*pathy and understanding or as monumental kitsch, the Holocaust has become a ruling symbol of our culture… Hardly a month passes without a new TV production, a new film, a number of new books of prose or poetry dealing with the subject, and the flood is increasing rather than abating.” [4]

Tim Cole, a history professor and prominent specialist of Holocaust studies, writes in his book Selling the Holocaust: “From a relatively slow start, we have now come to the point where Jewish culture in particular, and Western culture more generally, are saturated with the 'Holocaust’. Indeed, the ‘Holocaust’ has saturated Western culture to such an extent that it appears not only centre stage, but also lurks in the background. This can be seen in the remarkable number of contemporary movies which include the 'Holocaust’ as plot or sub-plot.” [5]

How did the Holocaust come to play such a large role in America? “A good part of the answer,” writes Jewish scholar Peter Novick, “is the fact… that Jews play an important and influential role in Hollywood , the television industry, and the newspaper, magazine and book publishing worlds.” Anyone who denies that this is a major factor behind the “massive attention” given to the Holocaust in the US media, he adds, “is being naïve or disingenuous.” [6]

Exploiting the Holocaust

What’s behind the Holocaust remembrance campaign? Whose interests does it serve?

It is, of course, fitting and proper to remember victims of genocide, war and oppression. But Holocaust remembrance is not, as its supporters claim, a noble effort motivated by sincere concern for humanity. Instead, this relentless campaign is an expression of Jewish-Zionist power, and is designed to further Jewish-Zionist interests.

On the occasion of the opening of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum on the Mall in Washington, noted Jewish author Melvin Jules Bukiet called the Museum a “statement of raw power,” and added: “It’s not Jewish tragedy that’s remembered on the Mall this week; it’s Jewish power to which homage is paid.” [7]

The Holocaust Remembrance campaign encourages sympathy and support for Jews and Israel. It helps to justify America's massive and on-going support for Israel, and to excuse otherwise inexcusable policies of the Zionist state. Among Jews it strengthens a feeling of group solidarity and promotes a sense of community purpose.

Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish scholar who teaches at DePaul University in Chicago, writes in his bestselling book, The Holocaust Industry, that “invoking The Holocaust” is “a ploy to delegitimize all criticism of Jews.” He adds: “By conferring total blamelessness on Jews, the Holocaust dogma immunizes Israel and American Jewry from legitimate censure... Organized American Jewry has ex*ploited the Nazi holocaust to deflect criticism of Israel's and its own morally indefensible policies.” [8]

Paula Hyman, a professor of modern Jewish history at Yale University, has observed: “With regard to Israel, the Holocaust may be used to forestall political criticism and suppress debate; it reinforces the sense of Jews as an eternally beleaguered people who can rely for their defense only upon themselves. The invocation of the suffering endured by the Jews under the Nazis often takes the place of rational argument, and is expected to convince doubters of the legitimacy of current Israeli government policy.” [9]

This view is echoed by another Jewish scholar, Tony Judt, who is director of the Remarque Institute at New York University: [10]

“The Shoah [Hebrew term for Holocaust] is frequently exploited in America and Israel to deflect and forbid any criticism of Israel . Indeed, the Holocaust of Europe's Jews is nowadays exploited thrice over: It gives American Jews in particular a unique, retrospective ‘victim identity’; it allows Israel to trump any other nation's sufferings (and justify its own excesses) with the claim that the Jewish catastrophe was unique and incompa*rable; and (in contradiction to the first two) it is adduced as an all-purpose metaphor for evil -- anywhere, everywhere and always -- and taught to schoolchildren all over America and Europe without any reference to context or cause. This modern instrumentalization of the Holocaust for political advantage is ethically disreputable and politically imprudent.”

In Israel, says Tom Segev, a prominent Israeli journalist and author, the Holocaust has become “an object of worship.” Moreover, he writes, “the 'heritage of the Holocaust,’ as it is taught in [Israel’s] schools and fostered in national memorial ceremonies, often encourages insular chauvinism and a sense that the Nazi extermination of the Jews justifies any act that seems to contribute to Israel’s security, including the oppression of the population in the territories occupied by Israel in the Six-Day War.” [11]

Amira Hass, an award-winning Israeli journalist and author, is even more blunt. Writing in a leading Israeli daily paper, she says: [12]

"… Israel has turned the liquidation of Europe's Jews into an asset. Our murdered relatives are being enlisted to enable Israel to continue not giving a damn about international decisions against the occupation. The suffering our parents endured in the ghettoes and concentration camps that filled Europe, the physical and mental anguish and torment that our parents were subjected to every single day since the `liberation,’ are used as weapons to thwart any international criticism of the society we are creating here. This is a society with built-in discrimination on the basis of nationality, and the discrimination is spreading on either side of the Green Line. This is a society that is systematically continuing to banish the Palestinian nation from its land and usurp its rights as a nation and its chances for a humane future."

The great lesson of the Holocaust, says Israel prime minister Ariel Sharon, is that Jews must “always remain vigilant and trust no one but ourselves. Jews can only rely on themselves.” Young Jews, he adds, “have the duty to bequeath the lesson, memories and stories, to underscore the importance of the existence of the Jewish state.” [13]

No Similar Remembrance of Non-Jews

Non-Jewish victims of genocide, oppression and war do not merit the same consideration as do Jewish victims of the Holocaust. There are no comparable museums, memorials or solemn ceremonies to commemorate, for example, the vastly greater number of victims of Soviet and Chinese Communism.

As historians acknowledge, the non-Jewish victims of Soviet Russian dictator Joseph Stalin greatly outnumber the Jews who perished as a result of Hitler’s policies. Robert Conquest, a prominent scholar of twentieth century Russian history, estimates the number of those who lost their lives as a consequence of Stalin’s policies as “no fewer than 20 million.” [14] Authoritative estimates of the number of Chinese who perished as victims of killings, repression, starvation and forced labor under the Communist regime of Mao Zedong range from about 30 million to more than 60 million. [15]

Americans are trained and encouraged to “know” that six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis in World War II. But few Americans, even well-educated ones, have any idea of how many Russians, Poles, Chinese or even Americans lost their lives in that global conflict. Estimates of the number of Chinese who lost their lives as direct and indirect victims of Japanese aggression and occupation during the 1930s and 1940s range from about ten million to more than twice that number. The Chinese government has put the figure at 35 million. [16]

During the years 1885 through 1908, an estimated five to eight million Africans perished in the Congo as direct and indirect victims of the brutal policies of the Belgian colonial authorities. These deaths were the result of widespread killings, starvation, exhaustion and exposure. [17]

'Holocaust Denial' Laws

In some countries special “Holocaust denial” laws stifle free and objective discussion of the Holocaust issue. In Israel, Germany, France, Austria and a few other nations, it is a crime publicly to “play down,” dispute, “whitewash,” or “deny” the Holocaust. No other chapter of history is protected by law in this way. Even factually accurate statements that violate “Holocaust denial” laws are punished. Over the years, many individuals in those countries have been fined, imprisoned or forced into exile for disputing Holocaust claims.

'God's Chosen'

The Holocaust is often treated with reverence, and as a central event of world history. For many Jews, says Rabbi Michael Goldberg, a Jewish author and religious leader, the “veneration” of the Holocaust has become a new religion. “And as with any organized church,” he adds, “this Holocaust cult has its own tenets of faith, rites, and shrines.” [18]

The Holocaust remembrance campaign reflects an arrogant view of Jews as a special and superior people. Abraham Foxman, head of the Anti-Defamation League -- one of the most influential Zionist groups — has declared: “...The Holocaust is something different. It is a singular event. It is not simply one example of genocide but a near successful attempt on the life of God's chosen children and, thus, on God himself. It is an event that is the antithesis of Creation as recorded in the Bible; and like its direct op*posite, which is relived weekly with the Sabbath and yearly with the Torah, it must be remembered from generation to gen*eration.” [19]

Jewish death and suffering do not deserve to be venerated more than the death and suffering of non-Jews. The Holocaust remembrance campaign deserves scorn, not support, because it is a one-sided effort that serves narrow Jewish and Israeli interests and bolsters Jewish-Zionist power.

Notes

1. A. Barkat, “Yad Vashem Was the First, And Now It’s The Latest,” Haaretz (Israel), March 15, 2005
( http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/552062.html ).

2. D. Sterritt, “The one serious subject Hollywood doesn’t avoid,” The Christian Science Monitor, Nov. 22, 2002 ( http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1122/p13s01-almo.html ).

3. Peter Novick, The Holocaust in American Life (Boston: 1999), p. 207.

4. Quoted in: David Cesarani, ed., The Final Solution: Origins and Implementation (Routledge, 1994), pp. 305, 306.

5. Tim Cole, Selling the Holocaust (Routledge, 2000), p. 2.

6. P. Novick, The Holocaust in American Life (1999), p. 207. See also pp. 11-12, 208.

7. Melvin Jules Bukiet, “The Museum vs. Memory: The Taming of the Holocaust,” The Washington Post, Sunday, April 18, 1993, p. C3. Quoted in: P. Novick, The Holocaust in American Life (1999), p. 330, n. 104.

8. Norman G. Finkelstein, The Holocaust Industry (Verso, 2003), pp. 37, 52, 149.

9. Paula E. Hyman, “New Debate on the Holocaust,” The New York Times Magazine, Sept. 14, 1980, p. 79.

10. Tony Judt, “Goodbye To All That?,” The Nation (New York), Jan. 3, 2005, p. 17.

11. Tom Segev, The Seventh Million: The Israelis and the Holocaust (New York: 1993), pp. 513, 517.

12. Amira Hass, ”Using the Holocaust to ward off criticism,” Haaretz (Israel), March 16 (or 21?), 2005.

13. Leonard Fein, “Too Young to March?,” Forward (New York), May 13, 2005, p. 8; "Israel marks Auschwitz liberation,” BBC News, Jan. 27, 2005 ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4212079.stm );
"Sharon: Never Forget Nazi Killers,” CNN News, May 6, 2005
(http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/05/05/holocaust.day/ ).

14. R. Conquest, The Great Terror: A Reassessment (Oxford Univ. Press, 1990), p. 48.

15. S. Courtois, and others, The Black Book of Communism (Harvard Univ. Press, 1999), pp. 4, 463-464; D. Southerland, “Repression’s Higher Toll,” The Washington Post, July 17, 1994, pp. A1, A22, A 23; Richard L. Walker, The Human Cost of Communism in China. A study of the Committee on the Judiciary, US Senate (1971).

16. “Dispute over mission stalls Japanese war museum,” The Palm Beach Post, May 21, 1995, p. 22A (from The New York Times); Sam Jameson, “WWII Apology Fails to Find a Voice in Japan ,” Los Angeles Times, June 10, 1995, p. A12.

17. Adam Hochschild, “In the Heart of Darkness,” The New York Review of Books, October 6, 2005, pp.
39-42; Adam Hochschild, King Leopold’s Ghost (Houghton Mifflin, 1999); A. Roxburgh, “Belgians Confront Colonial Past,” BBC News, March 9, 2005 ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4332605.stm ).

18. Michael Goldberg , Why Should Jews Survive? : Looking Past the Holocaust Toward a Jewish Future (Oxford Univ. Press, 1996), p. 41.

19. A. Foxman, “Schindler’s List – The Meaning of Spielberg’s Film,” ADL On the Frontline, January 1994, p. 2.

december

26-06-2007, 11:49 PM

hagbard_celine

27-06-2007, 01:03 AM

december

27-06-2007, 01:14 AM

The Jewish Talmud teaches that the Jews may lie to non-Jews:

"Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile".

Talmud, Baba Kamma 113a.

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/dcalicia.GIF

Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

hagbard_celine

28-06-2007, 12:00 AM

David Cole received death-threats for his research. In much of the world today it is against the law to question the Holocaust. Why? Is it to protect Jews? Doesn't it occur to anyone that if the official story of the Holocaust is wrong then it is Jews themselves who suffer?

december

28-06-2007, 04:26 AM

David Cole received death-threats for his research.

Well, in the Old Testament the Jewish God commands to all Jews to kill every rebel or a truthsayer (you can find it in Deuteronomy).

In much of the world today it is against the law to question the Holocaust.

It is not true. Only in some EU countries the Jews cooked up these sort of laws.

EU STATES WITH LAWS AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL:

Austria

Belgium

Czech Republic :confused:

France

Germany

Lithuania :confused:

Poland :confused:

Romania :confused:

Slovakia :confused:

As you can see - UK is not listed.
So, enjoy freedom to express your opinion... :D

Source - Banning the freedom to deny

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42451000/jpg/_42451637_irving.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6336513.stm

Why? Is it to protect Jews? Doesn't it occur to anyone that if the official story of the Holocaust is wrong then it is Jews themselves who suffer?

They cooked up these laws because the Jews are afraid of the TRUTH.

-------------------------

How many Jews and half-Jews served in Wehrmacht (German Army) during WWII?

Bryan Mark Rigg (the author of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers) explains:

"Although it is incredibly difficult to determine definitively the actual number of Mischlinge who served in the Wehrmacht during Hitler's rule, I estimate that at least 150.000 did so."

"Hitler's Jewish Soldiers", page 51.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righit.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700611789

albie

28-06-2007, 01:19 PM

December with his rubbish.

He's never even seen a genuine Talmud. He gets all his quotes from KKK sites.

albie

28-06-2007, 01:24 PM

And december, you posted this same topic on the illusionsforum.com, but you failed to answer my request for a direct quote from Piper denying the gassings in Auschwitz.

I see you fail to do so here as well.

Maybe because your source, Rense, is a known liar...

Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?

by Lisa Guliani

Patsy Smullin has run KOBI-TV for the last 30 years, and her father founded it. If anybody would have known Jeff Rense and the supposed 5,000 newscasts he claims to have made, it would be Patsy.

As it happens, Patsy Smullin does remember Jeff Rense, and in two different telephone conversations I had with her over the past few days, she confirmed that he did have a position at her television station for a brief time as a reporter and news anchor. Smullin stressed that Jeff Rense, or “a guy calling himself Jeff Rense” (her words), was employed at KOBI (an NBC affiliate) from June 1983 to May 1984, and she is not aware of him working at any other station in the state of Oregon either prior to his employment at KOBI-TV or afterward. [I would think if he'd worked at other stations previous to his KOBI position, these would be listed on his job application or resume when given to KOBI-TV.]

Patsy had more to say. She revealed that in her experience as Jeff Rense’s employer (and this is a direct quote), “He was not known for his honesty.” Think about it. Patsy Smullin was Rense’s employer some twenty-odd years ago. After all this tiime, the characteristic that has remained clearly in her memory is that “he was not known for his honesty”. What does that say to you? According to Ms. Smullin, at that time Jeff was also involved in several court battles with other people. One wonders if it has anything to do with him not being known for his honesty?

When asked if she could elaborate on the comment she'd made regarding Rense not being known for his honesty, her response was: "Sure. He was a compulsive liar." Also, when questioned as to the claim that Jeff anchored and produced “5000 newscasts,” Patsy Smullin laughed heartily and stated, “This is absolutely false. He never did that here.” Okay, if not at KOBI-TV, then where? Perhaps Jeff Rense will reveal this to us all at some point so we can check it out.

But on his own website, Jeff Rense claims to have been an award winning news director and TV news anchor for 10-12 years (accounts vary). If not at KOBI, then where?

http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/05/jeff-rense-compulsive-liar.html

albie

28-06-2007, 01:25 PM

december

28-06-2007, 05:38 PM

December with his rubbish.

He's never even seen a genuine Talmud. He gets all his quotes from KKK sites.

How many Jews and half-Jews served in Wehrmacht (German Army) during WWII?

Bryan Mark Rigg (the author of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers) explains:[/b]

"Although it is incredibly difficult to determine definitively the actual number of Mischlinge who served in the Wehrmacht during Hitler's rule, I estimate that at least 150.000 did so."

"Hitler's Jewish Soldiers", page 51.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righit.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700611789

december

28-06-2007, 07:37 PM

He didn't receive death threats.

And how do you know that? Can you prove it?

Also, albie, would you like to comment on this information -

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/dcalicia.GIF

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

Transcript © 1992 David Cole & Bradley Smith

A qoute:

"Here, in front of the gas chamber, I asked Alicia about the authenticity of that building.

Cole: Now, let's start again talking about this building here.

Alicia: This is a crematorium/gas chamber.

Cole: But this is a reconstruction?

Alicia: It is in original state.

Now there Alicia has very clearly represented the gas chamber as being in its original state. Once inside, I asked her specifically about the holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are these the original four holes in the ceiling?

Alicia: It is original. Through this chimney was dropped Zyklon B.

I then asked Alicia if any walls had been knocked down in the room exhibited as the gas chamber.

Cole: So this part was all the gas chamber.

Alicia: Yes.

Cole: Were there walls here at one time?
Alicia: It was only one room. When here I show a picture of gas chamber, it was only one room room.
Cole: So were there ever walls here?
Alicia: No.

Let's pause here to re-cap the gas chamber according to according to our tour guide. She states that the room is in its "original state" that the ceiling holes were original and that no walls were knocked down.

The Supervisor's version

Unsatisfied with her answers, I continued to badger poor Alicia about the real history of this room. Feeling somewhat exasperated at the fact that nothing she could say would shut me up, Alicia went to get a woman who was introduced to me as the Supervisor of Tour Guides for the Auschwitz State Museum. When I saw this woman approach, I figured I was either going to get a straight answer or kicked out of the camp.

Supervisor: This what I can suggest. It will be much better to go to our scientist in the State Museum. They show a lot of plans which they are still having in the archives.

Cole: Where would that be?

Supervisor: I don't think it is open today but probably Monday it will be possible.

Cole: Is that here at Oswiecim [Auschwitz]?

Supervisor: Yes, in Block 24 or 23... I'm not sure about that.

Cole: Would it be possible for me to make an appointment to see him on Monday perhaps?

Supervisor: That's true.

So, here that it was first suggested that I meet with the Head of Archives and Senior Curator, Dr. Franciszek Piper. Still, fearing that such a meeting might not come about, and assuming that the supervisor was probably in the loop regarding any instructions, I decided to get her input regarding the supposedly original holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

Source -

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

A link to the VIDEO -

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

And by the way, when you watch the interview you can hear David Cole's comment:

[i]"...And I wear my Yamaka so nobody miss the point that I am Jewish.
...and my parents are both Jewish..."

What is a yamaka?

A Yamaka is a small, round cap that Jewish men wear atop their heads. It's typically black, concave, and roughly the circumference of a small pancake

A kippah (Hebrew: כִּפָּה, also kipah, kipa, kippa, plural kippot; Yiddish: יאַרמלקע, yarmlke, yarmulke, yarmulka, yarmelke, less commonly called kapel; English: skullcap, cap of maintenance) is a thin, usually slightly-rounded cloth cap worn by observant Jews (usually men, but not always; see below). Kipot range in size from 4 inches in diameter to 9.5 inches (100 mm to 240 mm) or larger.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006012408860

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/shawnamarie685/yamaka.jpg

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Cover_pictures/BenedictXVIinsynagogue2.jpg

Source of this picture -

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/analysis_of_BenedictXVIs_visit_to_Synagogue.html

[i]Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

albie

29-06-2007, 12:37 PM

So the Russians rebuilt the gas chambers according to directions from eyewitnesses? If you don't trust the eye witnesses then fine, you don't have to believe.

But then you have to provide adequate reason to doubt eye witnesses.

Why were those buildings destroyed in the first place? If the germans were in on it, why fill in the holes?

Because the building was going to be used for other reasons, after being a gas chamber.

You exaggerate this tiny point, and it just isn't as big as you think it is.

And where is your quote from Piper saying no gassing went on?

albie

29-06-2007, 12:52 PM

Here's what the Jewish Talmud teaches:

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a .
If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned.
(Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a .
God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book. Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."

To correct your ignorance...

Baba Mezia 24a; "If one finds therein a lost object, then if the majority are Israelites it has to be announced, but if the majority are heathens it has not to be announced. -- Baba Mezia, p. 151"

What does the Talmud means by the phrase, "it has to be announced." Well briefly, if a jew finds a lost article then the next time he goes to Jerusalem to celebrate a major holiday, he must announce that he has found the lost article in a public forum. To claim a lost article the owner must give the finder proof of ownership in the form of some unique distinguishing mark or identifying feature of the lost article. This isn't uncommon. Also if no one claims the article after three holidays, the finder may keep it.

Also note that it never says the lost article belongs to a heathen, and indeed it may have been lost by a Jew. This is affirmed by a footnote which appears two pages previous to the quoted passage, but at the start of this particular discussion;

"Heathens do not return lost articles (v. _infra_ p. 152, n.3), and consequently do not come within the provision of the law relating to the announcement of finds. Moreover, according to Tosaf., even if it were certain that the article belonged to an Israelite, there would be no need to return it because the owner, presuming that a heathen found it, would despair of recovering it, v. B.K. (Sonc. ed.) p. 666.-- Baba Mezia, p. 149, n. 6."

And this footnote refers to another just one page beyond Mr. Hoffman's cited passage: "as the majority of the inhabitants of the place are heathens who do not return lost articles, the owner must be assumed to have abandoned the hope of recovering the lost goods. -- Baba Mezia, p. 152, n. 3."

Hoffman also cited the Baba Kamma 37b as explained above, what is most interesting in the Baba Kamma passage is the way it ends: "It was taught: R. Phinehas b. Yair said that where there was a danger of causing a profanation of the Name, [Of Israel and his God; V. The Chief Rabbi's commentary on Lev. XXII, 32. -- Footnote 9] even the retaining of a lost article of a heathen is a crime. -- Baba Kamma, p. 666"

When exactly, would keeping the lost article of a heathen result in "a profanation of the Name of God?" Well the obvious answer is when the finder knows who the loser is but still keeps the "lost" article, which is not the case discussed above where the finding of the lost article must be announced. If one doesn't know who the lost object belongs to and no means to know, then one can keep it because it doesn't fall under the laws of property.

Somehow this was turned into the fallacy that it is decided to be ok for jews to steal from non-jews.

http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes%3B_Part_2.#.22Jews_May_St eal_from_Non-Jews.22.2C_Sanhedrin_76a.2C_Baba_Mezia_24a..5B4.5D

CLAIM (24)
Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

RESPONSE (1)
Returning a lost article to a member of enemy nation is not such a great idea.
jhertzli@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger)
<65lb0o$26h@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>

RESPONSE (2)
The correct quote is "[one] who marries his [young] daughter to an old man or who marries an [older woman] to his young son and one who returns a lost object to a Cuthean ['idol worshipper' in the text of the Ein Yaakov]; of such a person Scripture speaks (Deut. 28:18): 'thereby adding the watered upon the thirsty'".

The first two cases discussed in this agadic statement refer to a father's obligation to find a spouse for his child whose age is suitable to that of the child. The third statement refers to the prohibition against returning lost articles to pagans who earn their living by oppressing others in lands where 'finders-keepers' is the general rule. Note that even in this case there are times when lost articles are returned to such people [see discussion under point [CLAIM 23] above]. The term 'thereby adding the watered upon the thirsty' has been interpreted to mean increasing the amount of idol-worshipping in the world, for an idol worshipper who lives in a society where the rule is 'finders-keepers' will offer a special thank sacrifice to his idols if a lost object is returned to him.

See the discussion under item [CLAIM 23] above for a more detailed review of this entire subject.
Michael Gruda (mgruda@netvision.net.il)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html

You should really try and find out more. Spreading disinfo will get you nothing.

albie

29-06-2007, 12:56 PM

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/documents/pressac/insertion-columns.jpg

See the little chimneys now? just right of the train's funnel.

albie

29-06-2007, 12:58 PM

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/ground-detail.jpg

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/rg-317-017-kr2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/&h=386&w=480&sz=44&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=o0x_sDu4iVxtGM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAuschwitz%2Bchimneys%2Baerial%26svnum %3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den

albie

03-07-2007, 12:49 PM

For anyone interested in this thread, it is concluded here...

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=3638&start=15

Where I discover that piper NEVER says anything about Auschwitz being a hoax.

In fact, I've discovered Rense lying, or being crassly stupid.

albie

03-07-2007, 12:51 PM

What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.

With this admission by none other than the respected head of the Auschwitz State Museum, one of the most sacred 'facts' of history has been destroyed. This 'gas chamber' is the major historical 'fact' on which much of the foreign and domestic policies of all Western nations since WWII are based.

This is from the original posting of this thread. It's lies. Admission? Rubbish.

e7304

03-07-2007, 03:54 PM

albie
I noticed the article you linked with Lisa Guliani. In it she states that Rense is a liar, or a person she interviews. WingTV (never seen it so I cant comment on its content) and Jeff Rense havent seen eye to eye for a while. From articles I have read , it appears WingTV may be a front for some established bunch who wants to get all independent free thinkers under the control of this enterprise.

I like the rense site cause of the regular guest writers, but have only heard Rense talk on one show about Morgellons.
Anyway, a spat where WingTV is going out of its way just to insult Jeff Rense really proves nothing (doesnt prove him as a liar)....apart from the fact that the "truth" community are just like TPTB...ie egos get the better. IF WingTV ,that is, has anything to do with "truth".

albie

04-07-2007, 12:57 PM

What you on about? Me being harsh to jews? Where?

I think you've been had mate.

I defend the jews. I defend them from crazy conspiracy theories. I do it all the time. I do it so often people think I'm a jew.

This is hilarious!

Just look above. At this Cole Piper thing. I'm showing that lies have been told about Auschwitz. I'm not a holocaust denier or revisionist. I'm the complete opposite. I believe in the holocaust.

I'll attack Cole's ignorance, because he's ignorant. Not because he's a jew.

albie

04-07-2007, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by albie
So the Russians rebuilt the gas chambers according to directions from eyewitnesses? If you don't trust the eye witnesses then fine, you don't have to believe.

But then you have to provide adequate reason to doubt eye witnesses.

Why were those buildings destroyed in the first place? If the germans were in on it, why fill in the holes?

Because the building was going to be used for other reasons, after being a gas chamber.

You exaggerate this tiny point, and it just isn't as big as you think it is.

And where is your quote from Piper saying no gassing went on?

Please point out where I'm attacking jews?

Nowhere.

albie

04-07-2007, 12:59 PM

albie
I noticed the article you linked with Lisa Guliani. In it she states that Rense is a liar, or a person she interviews. WingTV (never seen it so I cant comment on its content) and Jeff Rense havent seen eye to eye for a while. From articles I have read , it appears WingTV may be a front for some established bunch who wants to get all independent free thinkers under the control of this enterprise.
I like the rense site cause of the regular guest writers, but have only heard Rense talk on one show about Morgellons.
Anyway, a spat where WingTV is going out of its way just to insult Jeff Rense really proves nothing (doesnt prove him as a liar)....apart from the fact that the "truth" community are just like TPTB...ie egos get the better. IF WingTV ,that is, has anything to do with "truth".

It would be nice if you could prove this with evidence.

thirdwave

04-07-2007, 01:10 PM

Please point out where I'm attacking jews?

Nowhere.

My apologies ... my message was intended for "December" but i hit the wrong quote button..... :)

It was his posts that were flagged not yours..... I will emend it.

thirdwave

04-07-2007, 01:20 PM

How many Jews and half-Jews served in Wehrmacht (German Army) during WWII?

Bryan Mark Rigg (the author of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers) explains:[/b]

"Although it is incredibly difficult to determine definitively the actual number of Mischlinge who served in the Wehrmacht during Hitler's rule, I estimate that at least 150.000 did so."

"Hitler's Jewish Soldiers", page 51.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righit.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700611789

Apolagies to "Albie", this post was inteded for you....

Its all very interesting that this subject may have allot of substance to it... but lets not forget that its nothing to the with "The Jews" ...as thats very much generalizing.... its the same as saying the British are murdering people in Iraq ... Am I???

I have had a couple complaints from posters who think your being a little harsh on them for being Jewish.... maybe this was not your intention but please try and respect that not all Jews are from the mold of people you are talking about....infact they are probably not real Jews at all who were involved ..the same way as George Bush is not a Christian.

e7304

04-07-2007, 04:11 PM

Evidence??
Well this goes back a few years ago. Just did a search on google and came up with a few links.

Anyway the links show WingTV have a problem with Alex Jones and Rense and just type "wingtv and rense" to see the results.

All I am saying is that its no "proof" of anything about Rense being a liar. His impressive list of guest writers show , IMHO, they dont mind being published on his site. ITS ALL OLD NEWS ALBIE.

albie

05-07-2007, 03:32 PM

albie

05-07-2007, 03:46 PM

My apologies ... my message was intended for "December" but i hit the wrong quote button..... :)

It was his posts that were flagged not yours..... I will emend it.

December had some stuff deleted from the illusionsforum.com because it was demeed racist against jews. And it's almost impossible to get anything deleted on that site.

He hates jews full stop. Not just zionists.

He makes out he cares about the palestinains but he doesn't.

december

05-07-2007, 09:39 PM

December with his rubbish.

Are there MODERATORS on this forum or not really?

The guy who write under the name "albie", is really good at attacking me PERSONALLY, but he still didn't comment on this information -

How long will it take you, albie? :)

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/dcalicia.GIF

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

Transcript © 1992 David Cole & Bradley Smith

A qoute:

"Here, in front of the gas chamber, I asked Alicia about the authenticity of that building.

Cole: Now, let's start again talking about this building here.

Alicia: This is a crematorium/gas chamber.

Cole: But this is a reconstruction?

Alicia: It is in original state.

Now there Alicia has very clearly represented the gas chamber as being in its original state. Once inside, I asked her specifically about the holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are these the original four holes in the ceiling?

Alicia: It is original. Through this chimney was dropped Zyklon B.

I then asked Alicia if any walls had been knocked down in the room exhibited as the gas chamber.

Cole: So this part was all the gas chamber.

Alicia: Yes.

Cole: Were there walls here at one time?
Alicia: It was only one room. When here I show a picture of gas chamber, it was only one room room.
Cole: So were there ever walls here?
Alicia: No.

Let's pause here to re-cap the gas chamber according to according to our tour guide. She states that the room is in its "original state" that the ceiling holes were original and that no walls were knocked down.

The Supervisor's version

Unsatisfied with her answers, I continued to badger poor Alicia about the real history of this room. Feeling somewhat exasperated at the fact that nothing she could say would shut me up, Alicia went to get a woman who was introduced to me as the Supervisor of Tour Guides for the Auschwitz State Museum. When I saw this woman approach, I figured I was either going to get a straight answer or kicked out of the camp.

Supervisor: This what I can suggest. It will be much better to go to our scientist in the State Museum. They show a lot of plans which they are still having in the archives.

Cole: Where would that be?

Supervisor: I don't think it is open today but probably Monday it will be possible.

Cole: Is that here at Oswiecim [Auschwitz]?

Supervisor: Yes, in Block 24 or 23... I'm not sure about that.

Cole: Would it be possible for me to make an appointment to see him on Monday perhaps?

Supervisor: That's true.

So, here that it was first suggested that I meet with the Head of Archives and Senior Curator, Dr. Franciszek Piper. Still, fearing that such a meeting might not come about, and assuming that the supervisor was probably in the loop regarding any instructions, I decided to get her input regarding the supposedly original holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

Source -

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

A link to the VIDEO -

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

And by the way, when you watch the interview you can hear David Cole's comment:

[i]"...And I wear my Yamaka so nobody miss the point that I am Jewish.
...and my parents are both Jewish..."

What is a yamaka?

A Yamaka is a small, round cap that Jewish men wear atop their heads. It's typically black, concave, and roughly the circumference of a small pancake

A kippah (Hebrew: כִּפָּה, also kipah, kipa, kippa, plural kippot; Yiddish: יאַרמלקע, yarmlke, yarmulke, yarmulka, yarmelke, less commonly called kapel; English: skullcap, cap of maintenance) is a thin, usually slightly-rounded cloth cap worn by observant Jews (usually men, but not always; see below). Kipot range in size from 4 inches in diameter to 9.5 inches (100 mm to 240 mm) or larger.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006012408860

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/shawnamarie685/yamaka.jpg

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Cover_pictures/BenedictXVIinsynagogue2.jpg

Source of this picture -

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/analysis_of_BenedictXVIs_visit_to_Synagogue.html

[i]Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

thirdwave

06-07-2007, 02:00 AM

We are here but like I say.... its quite upsetting for people to be judged by their nationality or religion, and it will stir up heat... there could be some decent people who are Jewish reading your posts.

We must remember that all these things are and have allways been influenced by a group of people who are not american.... not jews.... and not christians....

the only fact there is is that we are all human and all do what we have to do to uphold our selfs.... the injustice does not come from the people it comes from the sytem which is controlled by people who could ot give a monkies about jews...christians... muslims... or who ever else.... they care about them selfs and maniplauting everyone to make sure their power is up held...

no war is right, as if there is a looser then there is no positive outcome.

december

06-07-2007, 03:14 AM

We are here but like I say.... its quite upsetting for people to be judged by their nationality or religion, and it will stir up heat... there could be some decent people who are Jewish reading your posts.

Thirdwave, I am surprised that you don't know what sort of man this guy is.

Well... OK.

:)

You can go to the very first page and see for yourself what I posted...
First, I posted the article "Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax" with the link to the source of information to rense.com

Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax

By P. Samuel Foner

Volume XIX, Number 2
5-31-4

In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union - apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.

What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.

READ MORE -

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

And then I posted the David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum, also with the link to the source of information:

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/dcalicia.GIF

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

Transcript © 1992 David Cole & Bradley Smith

A qoute:

"Here, in front of the gas chamber, I asked Alicia about the authenticity of that building.

Cole: Now, let's start again talking about this building here.

Alicia: This is a crematorium/gas chamber.

Cole: But this is a reconstruction?

Alicia: It is in original state.

Now there Alicia has very clearly represented the gas chamber as being in its original state. Once inside, I asked her specifically about the holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are these the original four holes in the ceiling?

Alicia: It is original. Through this chimney was dropped Zyklon B.

I then asked Alicia if any walls had been knocked down in the room exhibited as the gas chamber.

Cole: So this part was all the gas chamber.

Alicia: Yes.

...

Supervisor

Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

Source -

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

A link to the VIDEO -

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

And by the way, when you watch the interview you can hear David Cole's comment:

[i]"...And I wear my Yamaka so nobody miss the point that I am Jewish.
...and my parents are both Jewish..."

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5324

So, what seems to be the problem?
Is he attacking me just because he is afraid of the truth or the information I present? This is what he does.
In fact, he does it all the time. Here's one example from forum "Illusions":

Darkovic posted the thread - "REUTERS - Ahmadinejad sees Israel's end soon. (June 3rd)"
And albie insulted him right away:

"Bullshit. The squinty eyed anal prancer with the crap tweed jacket can fuck off.

Israel could smash them all today.

I hope they finish the job off this time.

Right, who votes for Darkovic being gay?
http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/images/smiles/icon_gay.gif

Darkovic:
How old are you Albie?

albie:
"You should ask why sensimillia is gaying you up."

December:
Darkovic, he just wants to change the subject...

albie:
Change the subject? what subject?

Dinner jacket going on about his bullshit is not a subject.

You russian cocker.

Source -
http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=3479&sid=5a97d64148a77bf4e2a0dcc6f4d1f2e1

Now you can see, Thirdwave, WHO is actually upsetting people and judging them by their nationality or religion.

SO....

IF ALBIE DESIRES TO CHALLENGE ME BY PROVIDING HIS OWN INFORMATION WHICH CAN SUPPORT HIS POINT OF VIEW ON THE EVENTS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR, THEN I'D BE GLAD TO HEAR IT, BUT I AM NOT GOING TO ANSWER TO HIS PROVOCATIONS.

HE CAN FIND SOME OTHER MESSAGE BOARD TO INSULT PEOPLE.

:)

albie

06-07-2007, 07:06 PM

Are there MODERATORS on this forum or not really?

The guy who write under the name "albie", is really good at attacking me PERSONALLY, but he still didn't comment on this information -

How long will it take you, albie? :)

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/dcalicia.GIF

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

Transcript © 1992 David Cole & Bradley Smith

A qoute:

"Here, in front of the gas chamber, I asked Alicia about the authenticity of that building.

Cole: Now, let's start again talking about this building here.

Alicia: This is a crematorium/gas chamber.

Cole: But this is a reconstruction?

Alicia: It is in original state.

Now there Alicia has very clearly represented the gas chamber as being in its original state. Once inside, I asked her specifically about the holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are these the original four holes in the ceiling?

Alicia: It is original. Through this chimney was dropped Zyklon B.

I then asked Alicia if any walls had been knocked down in the room exhibited as the gas chamber.

Cole: So this part was all the gas chamber.

Alicia: Yes.

Cole: Were there walls here at one time?
Alicia: It was only one room. When here I show a picture of gas chamber, it was only one room room.
Cole: So were there ever walls here?
Alicia: No.

Let's pause here to re-cap the gas chamber according to according to our tour guide. She states that the room is in its "original state" that the ceiling holes were original and that no walls were knocked down.

The Supervisor's version

Unsatisfied with her answers, I continued to badger poor Alicia about the real history of this room. Feeling somewhat exasperated at the fact that nothing she could say would shut me up, Alicia went to get a woman who was introduced to me as the Supervisor of Tour Guides for the Auschwitz State Museum. When I saw this woman approach, I figured I was either going to get a straight answer or kicked out of the camp.

Supervisor: This what I can suggest. It will be much better to go to our scientist in the State Museum. They show a lot of plans which they are still having in the archives.

Cole: Where would that be?

Supervisor: I don't think it is open today but probably Monday it will be possible.

Cole: Is that here at Oswiecim [Auschwitz]?

Supervisor: Yes, in Block 24 or 23... I'm not sure about that.

Cole: Would it be possible for me to make an appointment to see him on Monday perhaps?

Supervisor: That's true.

So, here that it was first suggested that I meet with the Head of Archives and Senior Curator, Dr. Franciszek Piper. Still, fearing that such a meeting might not come about, and assuming that the supervisor was probably in the loop regarding any instructions, I decided to get her input regarding the supposedly original holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

Source -

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

A link to the VIDEO -

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

And by the way, when you watch the interview you can hear David Cole's comment:

[i]"...And I wear my Yamaka so nobody miss the point that I am Jewish.
...and my parents are both Jewish..."

What is a yamaka?

A Yamaka is a small, round cap that Jewish men wear atop their heads. It's typically black, concave, and roughly the circumference of a small pancake

A kippah (Hebrew: כִּפָּה, also kipah, kipa, kippa, plural kippot; Yiddish: יאַרמלקע, yarmlke, yarmulke, yarmulka, yarmelke, less commonly called kapel; English: skullcap, cap of maintenance) is a thin, usually slightly-rounded cloth cap worn by observant Jews (usually men, but not always; see below). Kipot range in size from 4 inches in diameter to 9.5 inches (100 mm to 240 mm) or larger.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006012408860

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/shawnamarie685/yamaka.jpg

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Cover_pictures/BenedictXVIinsynagogue2.jpg

Source of this picture -

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/analysis_of_BenedictXVIs_visit_to_Synagogue.html

[i]Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

I'VE ALREADY ANSWERED ALL THAT. AND SMASHED IT. LOOK ON THE ILLUSIONSFOUM THREAD OF THE SAME DISCUSSION.

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=3638&start=15

THE ONE YOU HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO EVEN THOUGH I SENT YOU A PERSONAL MESSAGE FOUR DAYS AGO TELLING YOU I'D RESPONDED.

AND DON'T LIE AND SAY YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BACK TO THAT SITE TO CHECK YOUR MESSAGES.

LIAR.

albie

06-07-2007, 07:07 PM

trying to make it look like i haven't responded? what a wally.

albie

06-07-2007, 07:08 PM

This is my response from here...

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=3638&start=15

You fool December. Piper isn’t saying there were no gassings at all. He never says it. Rense is a liar and you are a fool for not knowing enough about this subject to spot the lie.

The part of the video in question I already dealt with last week or so. Here…

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=1911&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90

Cole asks why there was little staining in krema 1 and 2 and so much in the delousing rooms.

Piper’s response to Cole sounds like he’s saying there was only one gassing a day. He’s not saying that. He’s saying that the total amount of contact in a 24 hour period between the walls and the gas amounts to around 10-20 minutes. Whereas the delousing rooms had more prolonged contact. Zyklon b is a very slow acting poison for lice. It can take anything from 6- 32 HOURS to kill a single louse. Plus they used a stronger level of Zyklon B and MORE OF IT. Hence the massive staining on the walls.

The walls in the gas chambers would have been washed too. People shitting and pissing themselves etc etc. And I do believe the rooms were used a shelter at the end. You can imagine they would have washed the walls for safety reasons.

Next Cole tries to make out Piper is contradicting himself about the number of people being gassed a day. Cole has already mistakenly inferred that the chamber was only used for ten minutes a day. So when Piper talks about many people dying a day it adds up as impossible to Cole. Of course Piper IS’NT contradicting himself, because he never said there was only one gassing a day in the first place.

This is really such a laughable mistake on Cole’s part for not knowing what Piper was talking about.

What a shoddy piece of crap and a waste of my time. This is nothing but fodder for biased low intellect conspiracy junkies. You can’t even hear a word Piper is saying. No wonder nobody has a full transcript. Cole could put any words he wants into his mouth, or misquote and take out of context anything he wants.

As for Krema 1 not being in it’s original state. What a pile of crap. Cole is very manipulative. It’s clear the first guide he talks to has very bad English. She could easily have meant that the camp now looks like it originally was. That doesn’t constitute a deception at all. Only in the mind of Cole, who is clearly suffering from the same mental distortions that most conspiracy theorists suffer from.
As for the signs of walls. So what? What does that prove? At some point walls were added and taken away. Only a conspiracy theorist would find that suspicious.

Seriously bad bit of evidence this. Some of the most amateur I’ve seen. And that’s not me being a twat, that’s a fact. It’s shoddily manufactured and Cole presents nothing damning.

Even though he thinks he does. Typical of conspiracy syndrome sufferers.

An aerial photo not showing people being gassed? It takes a second to take a photo. In one second nobody was seen being gassed?

What a pile of crap. Just the sort of wobbly rubbish you thrive on.

december

07-07-2007, 02:42 AM

december

07-07-2007, 02:51 AM

Albie, why do you hate Russian people so much?
Did you know that it was actually Russian Soldiers who liberated Auschwitz prisoners in 1945?

Quote:

"Realized that they were prisoners and not workers so I called out, "You are free, come out!"
– Vasily Gromadsky, Russian officer, 60th Army, liberating Auschwitz

As the Soviet army approached and the end of the war came closer the vast majority of Auschwitz prisoners were marched west by the Nazis, into Germany. Those few thousand remaining were thought too ill to travel, and were left behind to be shot by the SS. In the confusion that followed the abandonment of the camp, the SS left them alive. The prisoners were found by Soviet forces when they liberated Auschwitz on January 27, 1945.

Vasily Gromadsky, a Russian officer with the 60th Army liberating Auschwitz recalls what happened.

"They [the prisoners] began rushing towards us, in a big crowd. They were weeping, embracing us and kissing us. I felt a grievance on behalf of mankind that these fascists had made such a mockery of us. It roused me and all the soldiers to go and quickly destroy them and send them to hell."

http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/liberation

http://energo.vstu.vinnica.ua/photo_of_war/1941/1941_98.jpg

http://energo.vstu.vinnica.ua/photo_of_war/1942/1942_1c.jpg

http://energo.vstu.vinnica.ua/photo_of_war/1943/1943_4.jpg

thirdwave

07-07-2007, 02:51 AM

Thirdwave, I am surprised that you don't know what sort of man this guy is.

Well... OK.

:)

You can go to the very first page and see for yourself what I posted...
First, I posted the article "Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax" with the link to the source of information to rense.com

And then I posted the David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum, also with the link to the source of information:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5324

So, what seems to be the problem?
Is he attacking me just because he is afraid of the truth or the information I present? This is what he does.
In fact, he does it all the time. Here's one example from forum "Illusions":

Darkovic posted the thread - "REUTERS - Ahmadinejad sees Israel's end soon. (June 3rd)"
And albie insulted him right away:

"Bullshit. The squinty eyed anal prancer with the crap tweed jacket can fuck off.

Israel could smash them all today.

I hope they finish the job off this time.

Right, who votes for Darkovic being gay?
http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/images/smiles/icon_gay.gif

Darkovic:
How old are you Albie?

albie:
"You should ask why sensimillia is gaying you up."

December:
Darkovic, he just wants to change the subject...

albie:
Change the subject? what subject?

Dinner jacket going on about his bullshit is not a subject.

You russian cocker.

Source -
http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=3479&sid=5a97d64148a77bf4e2a0dcc6f4d1f2e1

Now you can see, Thirdwave, WHO is actually upsetting people and judging them by their nationality or religion.

SO....

IF ALBIE DESIRES TO CHALLENGE ME BY PROVIDING HIS OWN INFORMATION WHICH CAN SUPPORT HIS POINT OF VIEW ON THE EVENTS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR, THEN I'D BE GLAD TO HEAR IT, BUT I AM NOT GOING TO ANSWER TO HIS PROVOCATIONS.

HE CAN FIND SOME OTHER MESSAGE BOARD TO INSULT PEOPLE.

:)

I have not commented on your debate with Albie .... it was that you were accusing "The Jews" as being the evil party here and this was flagged by other posters....so I'm saying please be more respectful to Jewish people who might be chatting here and have nothing to do with what happened in WW2 ...so on...

it can be upsetting an offensive to generalize people within subjects like this.... what ever the truth .. it involves a tiny group of people who share a much different agenda than any of us...what ever race we are...

just keep that in mind....

december

07-07-2007, 04:43 AM

I have not commented on your debate with Albie .... as being the evil party here and this was flagged by other posters....
just keep that in mind....

I am sorry, but I am not quite sure what do you mean by "your debate with Albie".

Where did you see a DEBATE? :) So far there was nothing but insults from him.

I posted information but he started attacking me personally and he called this info "crap".

A link to the VIDEO -

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

Did you, thirdwave, read this thread or not?

I think I PROVED to you and everyone else that this guy simply HATES other people, and when someone posts INFORMATION which he doesn't like, he attacks people personally.

Did you notice this quote from forum "Illusions", which shows how he talks to people:

Darkovic posted the thread - "REUTERS - Ahmadinejad sees Israel's end soon. (June 3rd)"
And albie insulted him right away:

"Bullshit. The squinty eyed anal prancer with the crap tweed jacket can fuck off.

Israel could smash them all today.

I hope they finish the job off this time.

Right, who votes for Darkovic being gay?
http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/images/smiles/icon_gay.gif

Darkovic:
How old are you Albie?

albie:
"You should ask why sensimillia is gaying you up."

December:
Darkovic, he just wants to change the subject...

albie:
Change the subject? what subject?

Dinner jacket going on about his bullshit is not a subject.

You russian cocker.

Source -

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=3479&sid=5a97d64148a77bf4e2a0dcc6f4d1f2e1

Here's another strange thing about this man - he really hates Russian people, the very same people who liberated Auschwitz.

Does Albie have some mental illness that we don't know about?

http://energo.vstu.vinnica.ua/photo_of_war/1943/1943_31.jpg

"Realized that they were prisoners and not workers so I called out, "You are free, come out!"
– Vasily Gromadsky, Russian officer, 60th Army, liberating Auschwitz

As the Soviet army approached and the end of the war came closer the vast majority of Auschwitz prisoners were marched west by the Nazis, into Germany. Those few thousand remaining were thought too ill to travel, and were left behind to be shot by the SS. In the confusion that followed the abandonment of the camp, the SS left them alive. The prisoners were found by Soviet forces when they liberated Auschwitz on January 27, 1945.

Vasily Gromadsky, a Russian officer with the 60th Army liberating Auschwitz recalls what happened.

"They [the prisoners] began rushing towards us, in a big crowd. They were weeping, embracing us and kissing us. I felt a grievance on behalf of mankind that these fascists had made such a mockery of us. It roused me and all the soldiers to go and quickly destroy them and send them to hell."

http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/liberation

december

07-07-2007, 04:57 AM

so I'm saying please be more respectful to Jewish people who might be chatting here and have nothing to do with what happened in WW2 ...so on...

it can be upsetting an offensive to generalize people within subjects like this.... what ever the truth .. it involves a tiny group of people who share a much different agenda than any of us...what ever race we are...
...it was that you were accusing "The Jews"...

I don't really follow your logic here, thirdwave.
Where was I disrespectful? Again - did you read the thread or not? It was albie who was rude but you tell me to be more respectful.

Wow!

What a logic!!!

For the third time - I posted information. So what are you telling me?

Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

A link to the VIDEO -

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

[b]You just make vague statments. Be more specific, please, thirdwave.

:)

december

07-07-2007, 04:58 AM

You see, Thirdwave, I have relatives who were prisoners in Nazi camps...
Many of them died... they didn't get to see the Victory Day...
But they NEVER told me about some gas chambers....

So, what's the story?...

e7304

07-07-2007, 11:39 AM

Phew. I'm not a jew hater after all. I do sleep walk.

AS for wing tv. I see they have a problem with rense. He did work for them. They are pro jew and zionists. But I'd need something solid before I thought Wing tv were lying about Rense. Surely Rense would be the one to supply their reason for lying.

Unless he just blames bias.

Which could easily be turned on both parties.

You don't seem to have anything definite in your memory banks to offer. It would be easy of me to blame bias on your opinions of them.

Until something is found.

Surely you would find something before me.

Oooh nice one albie.

Sorry mate but what is this "you dont seem to have anything in your memory banks...." rubbish.

YOU are taking one "interview" to base YOUR opinion that Rense is a liar.

I dont have nothing to hide. Obviously WingTV do and so do you. If you looked at the links , its pretty straight forward who are being vindictive and childish. If you are comfortable using their info to back up your beliefs , so be it.

Nothing I can do will alter that.

The Rense site has the balls to post revisionist views. Good on em , I say. What concerns me, is that MSM and PTB want to suppress any opinion that does not "empower" their view. Thats why I like Rense and see comments like that from WingTV, as being biased and just being a little part of the propaganda war.

albie

07-07-2007, 12:28 PM

My point is, you come to me telling me that Wing TV aren't trustworthy.

I'm still wating for you to show this.

Are you GOING to do it?

albie

07-07-2007, 12:30 PM

Albie, what else can you do besides attacking people personally?
Can you comment on this information?

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/dcalicia.GIF

Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

And? What's your beef on this? Do you think the soviets lied? They were lied to? That there were no holes? Even though I've given you photographic evidence?

This is not evidence of anything but Cole's over active imagination.

albie

07-07-2007, 12:31 PM

I don't really follow your logic here, thirdwave.
Where was I disrespectful? Again - did you read the thread or not? It was albie who was rude but you tell me to be more respectful.

Wow!

What a logic!!!

For the third time - I posted information. So what are you telling me?

Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

A link to the VIDEO -

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

[b]You just make vague statments. Be more specific, please, thirdwave.

:)

I'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS ABOVE JUST YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!

COLE MAKES A MISTAKE ON WHAT PIPER IS SAYING.

HERE IT IS AGAIN.

You fool December. Piper isn’t saying there were no gassings at all. He never says it. Rense is a liar and you are a fool for not knowing enough about this subject to spot the lie.

The part of the video in question I already dealt with last week or so. Here…

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=1911&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120

Cole asks why there was little staining in krema 1 and 2 and so much in the delousing rooms.

Piper’s response to Cole sounds like he’s saying there was only one gassing a day. He’s not saying that. He’s saying that the total amount of contact in a 24 hour period between the walls and the gas amounts to around 10-20 minutes. Whereas the delousing rooms had more prolonged contact. Zyklon b is a very slow acting poison for lice. It can take anything from 6- 32 HOURS to kill a single louse. Plus they used a stronger level of Zyklon B and MORE OF IT. Hence the massive staining on the walls.

The walls in the gas chambers would have been washed too. People shitting and pissing themselves etc etc. And I do believe the rooms were used a shelter at the end. You can imagine they would have washed the walls for safety reasons.

Next Cole tries to make out Piper is contradicting himself about the number of people being gassed a day. Cole has already mistakenly inferred that the chamber was only used for ten minutes a day. So when Piper talks about many people dying a day it adds up as impossible to Cole. Of course Piper IS’NT contradicting himself, because he never said there was only one gassing a day in the first place.

This is really such a laughable mistake on Cole’s part for not knowing what Piper was talking about.

albie

07-07-2007, 12:52 PM

I've replied twice on this thread and also on this forum...

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=3638&start=15

And you claim I haven't.

You know full well I have. You just can't handle the fact I've trashed your so called evidence.

e7304

08-07-2007, 10:02 AM

My point is, you come to me telling me that Wing TV aren't trustworthy.

I'm still wating for you to show this.

Are you GOING to do it?

I already have. Like I said previously, do a search on Google.

december

08-07-2007, 09:42 PM

The holes in the ceiling had been made AFTER the war to fool people, to make them think the they were used to drop Zyklon B to kill Jews.
This is a LIE.
That building cannot even be a gas chamber, it was used a bomb shelter.

SHAME ON THOSE WHO SPREAD LIES ABOUT THE EVENTS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR!!!

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/dcalicia.GIF

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

Transcript © 1992 David Cole & Bradley Smith

A qoute:

"Here, in front of the gas chamber, I asked Alicia about the authenticity of that building.

Cole: Now, let's start again talking about this building here.

Alicia: This is a crematorium/gas chamber.

Cole: But this is a reconstruction?

Alicia: It is in original state.

Now there Alicia has very clearly represented the gas chamber as being in its original state. Once inside, I asked her specifically about the holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are these the original four holes in the ceiling?

Alicia: It is original. Through this chimney was dropped Zyklon B.

I then asked Alicia if any walls had been knocked down in the room exhibited as the gas chamber.

Cole: So this part was all the gas chamber.

Alicia: Yes.

Cole: Were there walls here at one time?
Alicia: It was only one room. When here I show a picture of gas chamber, it was only one room room.
Cole: So were there ever walls here?
Alicia: No.

Let's pause here to re-cap the gas chamber according to according to our tour guide. She states that the room is in its "original state" that the ceiling holes were original and that no walls were knocked down.

The Supervisor's version

Unsatisfied with her answers, I continued to badger poor Alicia about the real history of this room. Feeling somewhat exasperated at the fact that nothing she could say would shut me up, Alicia went to get a woman who was introduced to me as the Supervisor of Tour Guides for the Auschwitz State Museum. When I saw this woman approach, I figured I was either going to get a straight answer or kicked out of the camp.

Supervisor: This what I can suggest. It will be much better to go to our scientist in the State Museum. They show a lot of plans which they are still having in the archives.

Cole: Where would that be?

Supervisor: I don't think it is open today but probably Monday it will be possible.

Cole: Is that here at Oswiecim [Auschwitz]?

Supervisor: Yes, in Block 24 or 23... I'm not sure about that.

Cole: Would it be possible for me to make an appointment to see him on Monday perhaps?

Supervisor: That's true.

So, here that it was first suggested that I meet with the Head of Archives and Senior Curator, Dr. Franciszek Piper. Still, fearing that such a meeting might not come about, and assuming that the supervisor was probably in the loop regarding any instructions, I decided to get her input regarding the supposedly original holes in the ceiling.

Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

Source -

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

A link to the VIDEO -

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

And by the way, when you watch the interview you can hear David Cole's comment:

[i]"...And I wear my Yamaka so nobody miss the point that I am Jewish.
...and my parents are both Jewish..."

What is a yamaka?

A Yamaka is a small, round cap that Jewish men wear atop their heads. It's typically black, concave, and roughly the circumference of a small pancake

A kippah (Hebrew: כִּפָּה, also kipah, kipa, kippa, plural kippot; Yiddish: יאַרמלקע, yarmlke, yarmulke, yarmulka, yarmelke, less commonly called kapel; English: skullcap, cap of maintenance) is a thin, usually slightly-rounded cloth cap worn by observant Jews (usually men, but not always; see below). Kipot range in size from 4 inches in diameter to 9.5 inches (100 mm to 240 mm) or larger.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006012408860

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/shawnamarie685/yamaka.jpg

[i]Cole: Are those the original holes in the ceiling?

Supervisor: No.

Cole: They've been rebuilt?

Supervisor: Yes.

Cole: Okay. After the war?

Supervisor: After the war."

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

albie

09-07-2007, 01:43 PM

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The holes in the ceiling had been made AFTER the war to fool people, to make them think the they were used to drop Zyklon B to kill Jews.
This is a LIE.
That building cannot even be a gas chamber, it was used a bomb shelter.

SHAME ON THOSE WHO SPREAD LIES ABOUT THE EVENTS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR!!!

Prove that there were no holes there to begin with. The holes were filled in because the room WAS later used as a shelter.

Answer this: why would the germans blow up/demolish a bomb shelter?

You would have to dispute all the witness statements to prove there were no holes.

The russians rebuilding the chambers is NOT proof of falsification.

Yes, the first camp guide says " They are in their original state." Which is a vague statement. It doesn't qualify as a cover up. Any building can be renovated to it's original state. It doesn't have to be built from it's original materials.

http://www.hdot.org/learning/myth-fact/GasChambers//body/1014

albie

09-07-2007, 01:44 PM

eternal_spirit

22-09-2007, 06:46 PM

David Cole is a very brave Jew.

tiswas

22-09-2007, 07:44 PM

december, a lot of Russian folk also perished under the Nazis.
As for the skinhead element of Russia - Putin has promised the whole he will crack down on them.

december

22-09-2007, 07:48 PM

december, a lot of Russian folk also perished under the Nazis.
As for the skinhead element of Russia - Putin has promised the whole he will crack down on them.

Tiswas, can you, please, post something RELATED to this thread?

tiswas

22-09-2007, 08:08 PM

Well december, what about those photos of all that suffering in those camps and the story of Josef Mengele. I do understand that you are against Zionism, which I am too but it was not just jews who perished.
By the way december, it was Russia who told the world about the camps.