View from the Rabbit Hole VIDEO with John White

[john white]

Hi All

I am delighted to present the now completed film of my very first public talk, "The View from the Rabbit Hole", delivered here in Malvern on the 30th May 2007

I sincerely hope you will enjoy my efforts, I'm certainly up for doing more. Talking to each other and sharing what we know and how we see things is the most pro-active thing we can do to all help each other into a better way of life

If you enjoy this, please do spread the link around, and enjoy checking out www.malvernmessages.com where I've put together loads of info so anyone so inspired can delve deeper into topics covered in this film. I did my best to deliver a talk that can communicate to the "un-initiated" as well as interest the experianced truthseeker, and nothing could be better than if you find this film an effective tool to help you as you work to "break the spell" for those around you

So heres the link:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7531242795885482799

And here is how I presented the talk to the audience beforehand:

About John White:

John is a Malvern based philosopher who has self-published on the internet since 2005. He’s involved with several websites, notably www.Illusionsforum.com and www.malvernmessages.com, and has oodles of time to ponder the things most people are too worn out after living busy lives to get round to: reporting back his findings is, as he sees it, his “job”. John started asking awkward questions at a very early age and has never really got the hang of stopping. After a few years, he started to get some interesting answers…. Now in his mid-thirties, John has grown his hair to regulation philosophical length, and appears too far gone for calls of “cut yer ‘air and get a proper Job hippie!” to stand much chance of getting through to him… Still, it’s well worth listening to what he has to say

John’s talk is about:

The View from the Rabbit Hole

John takes us on a whirlwind tour of the “rabbit hole”, where we learn that reality exists only inside our heads, “they” we never in charge: we were, that the problems of the world are its greatest opportunities and there’s never been more reason to believe that, far from being about to wipe itself out, humanity is the closest it has ever been to getting it all very very right, and emerge into an entirely new consciousness that will change life for everyone immeasurably for the better, for ever. The audience will also learn never to look at their mortgage the same way ever again, and discover not only that there’s something they can do to help out, but that they are in fact, the answer

White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all
Go ask Alice
When she's ten feet tall

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall
Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call
Recall Alice
When she was just small

When men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving low
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the doorknob said:
"Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head"


Big props to dondaz for all his fantastic help making this real

[Anders Lindman]

Cool! I have a bit of a problem understanding the accent in the beginning of the talk since English is not my native language. But later on in the talk it gets easier to understand. I will watch the whole video now.

[john white]

Nice one Anders, thanks!

[thirdwave]

very cool John... nice talk!..keep it up.

[danielg]

You're a natural at doing that mate... Good info too, especially the mention of the advertising industry playing on unfulfilled unconscious drives.

Some more info on banking can be found here (excellent website) -
http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/features/articles/manifesto07/mreform1.html :)

[limelady]

Hi John.....great talk! You're a lot younger than I imagined too....
must be all that wisdom that comes out of you huh!! ;)

My only criticism was the sound quality - a lot of reverb, echo, and background noise etc. Made it a little difficult to hear at times....especially with your accent :D I realise the acoustics in most public halls and other facilities for hire can generally be relied upon to be a lot less than ideal, and this can make recording audio a trial.

Other than that, I really liked the way you interacted with your audience and I thought your presentation was excellent.

Keep up the good work John :D

[john white]

Hey thanks everybody! It’s a really positive response!

I'd like to reciprocate by telling you a few things about this project:

Firstly, it was done with no money whatsoever, using a technique known as "cosmic blagging", and has its roots in me doorstepping the head of the arts fringe at a solstice party last year, and getting myself a slot during fringe week to do a talk. And I then started preparing for the talk back in February. So its 100% a demonstration of “Rabbit Hole” principles of manifesting intention!

I patiently waited whilst contemplating ideas for what the talk should be about, and ended up making deliberate choices that defined what you saw on screen

I definitely wanted Holographic universe info, because it is genuinely creating the opportunity for solutions to come forth, so I decided to put that upfront. I then wanted to pop one illusion for whoever watched it. I rejected 9/11 as too complex for the time available, and settled on banking as something that anyone watching the talk would be sure to relate to

And in the last section I wanted to give insight into the world in front of us now. I got the idea for the Bernays/Strauss/Nash combo from Adam Cutis, the BBC documentary maker, because each one was given individual focus in each of his documentary trilogies, “Power of Nightmares”, “Century of the Self”, and “The Trap, what happened to our dreams of freedom?” (All three fully linked on Malvern messages btw). Putting them together in quick succession was like giving a quick scope around the world as is: and then my plan, obviously, was to wrap up by bringing back in the info from the beginning

I also thought carefully about presentation style. I didn’t want to be distant and droning, I wanted to create sparkle, So I settled for the informal chair seated and making full use of my hands. I also decided my talk should be organic and flowing, so it should be more discussing ideas right out of my head than polished and delivered: hence me not choosing to create a PowerPoint slideshow. My hope is that I show my human-ness, but the trade off is less dense hard information coming across. Still, the nature of the talk as a tour of alternate thought meant I was only going to get out so much whatever I did, and I feel it went well, and I have compensated on the info side with all the research presented at Malvern Messages, great for introducing people to the ideas

http://malvernmessages.free-forums.org/malvernmessages-forum-24.html&sid=941e9301b9db004c1bad23c6eaac1a3c

I had loads of help with both a local guy from the fringe and dondaz from this forum bringing cameras, and dondaz has been great doing the editing: by the way dondaz is a committed filmmaker in his own right with some very good material he’s developing

Anyway, I'm really happy people have been enjoying this, everyone’s feedback is really helpful, now I’ve tested my rough ability I'm definitely up for doing more and I’d be happy to consider doing a talk anywhere in the UK, especially the Midlands: just ask!

So loads of Love to everyone,

John

[a fine naked fellow]

I love you thiiiiiiis much for that!

[cheeb]

You are truly inspirational ,John,
From small acorns ,
Mighty oaks do grow,
What an amazing first step you have taken there,
but what a giant leap for mankind.

POE

pttp

[lemonique]

Hi John, Have to say I really enjoyed your talk :D:D The background noise was a bit annoying......I noticed you handled it with diplomacy. ;) The subjects were well chosen.
Good on you!! and good work dondaz !

Lemonique

[tru3]

Hey thanks everybody! It’s a really positive response!

I'd like to reciprocate by telling you a few things about this project:

Firstly, it was done with no money whatsoever, using a technique known as "cosmic blagging", and has its roots in me doorstepping the head of the arts fringe at a solstice party last year, and getting myself a slot during fringe week to do a talk. And I then started preparing for the talk back in February. So its 100% a demonstration of “Rabbit Hole” principles of manifesting intention!

I patiently waited whilst contemplating ideas for what the talk should be about, and ended up making deliberate choices that defined what you saw on screen

I definitely wanted Holographic universe info, because it is genuinely creating the opportunity for solutions to come forth, so I decided to put that upfront. I then wanted to pop one illusion for whoever watched it. I rejected 9/11 as too complex for the time available, and settled on banking as something that anyone watching the talk would be sure to relate to

And in the last section I wanted to give insight into the world in front of us now. I got the idea for the Bernays/Strauss/Nash combo from Adam Cutis, the BBC documentary maker, because each one was given individual focus in each of his documentary trilogies, “Power of Nightmares”, “Century of the Self”, and “The Trap, what happened to our dreams of freedom?” (All three fully linked on Malvern messages btw). Putting them together in quick succession was like giving a quick scope around the world as is: and then my plan, obviously, was to wrap up by bringing back in the info from the beginning

I also thought carefully about presentation style. I didn’t want to be distant and droning, I wanted to create sparkle, So I settled for the informal chair seated and making full use of my hands. I also decided my talk should be organic and flowing, so it should be more discussing ideas right out of my head than polished and delivered: hence me not choosing to create a PowerPoint slideshow. My hope is that I show my human-ness, but the trade off is less dense hard information coming across. Still, the nature of the talk as a tour of alternate thought meant I was only going to get out so much whatever I did, and I feel it went well, and I have compensated on the info side with all the research presented at Malvern Messages, great for introducing people to the ideas

http://malvernmessages.free-forums.org/malvernmessages-forum-24.html&sid=941e9301b9db004c1bad23c6eaac1a3c

I had loads of help with both a local guy from the fringe and dondaz from this forum bringing cameras, and dondaz has been great doing the editing: by the way dondaz is a committed filmmaker in his own right with some very good material he’s developing

Anyway, I'm really happy people have been enjoying this, everyone’s feedback is really helpful, now I’ve tested my rough ability I'm definitely up for doing more and I’d be happy to consider doing a talk anywhere in the UK, especially the Midlands: just ask!

So loads of Love to everyone,

John

i applaud your effort, john. i am enjoying the vid as i type. you will only become even more effective the more you speak in front of people.

i totally agree with you about letting the communication unfold. speak from the Heart, and you can't go wrong. :)

[ashyr]

Hi john,

Havnt had a chance to watch your vid yet. but the introduction is superb for what it is man.

Ive been thinking of doing such things here in my country but have to think of a medium/delivery . which looks like youve found your's and i like it. good stuff.

i was thinking dramatizations of scenes, depictions of reality thru music and incorperating humour into the acting, and present the message in a way were everyone can relate. Im getting really good at talking in LAY MANS terms.

how did you go about organisint the medium foryourself? do u have a crew?

[john white]

Hi john,

Havnt had a chance to watch your vid yet. but the introduction is superb for what it is man.

Ive been thinking of doing such things here in my country but have to think of a medium/delivery . which looks like youve found your's and i like it. good stuff.

i was thinking dramatizations of scenes, depictions of reality thru music and incorperating humour into the acting, and present the message in a way were everyone can relate. Im getting really good at talking in LAY MANS terms.

how did you go about organisint the medium foryourself? do u have a crew?

Hey Ashyr, well no organisation save what I create myself, like Malvern Messages, which is my company I started Nov 05 and the website I started Last Summer. So having created that instrument, I just kept my attention open for ways to manifest with it, and the organisation just happened becuase doing it was where the attention was: 100% creativity crosses all bridges :)

Absolutely go for it and do your thing and express your truth, no better use of being alive

[cf24]

Well done John, i've just watched it...

Wish I could do it, im sort of part the way there, but I just need to be fully confident with the information and tying it all together...

When is the next one fella?

[dondaz]

Hi all, I thought Johns' first time public speaking went down very well, especially as he also had the cameras on him too.

I've been talking to my camera for 12 years and I stutter and splutter all the time. Not an easy task.

I actually turned up late, Public Transport:mad:, sorry John, so I missed the first 2 sections. I rolled up at coffee break and found the last section very interesting and informative.

Nice one John, but now I'm looking forward to taking the Red Pill and filming you Deeper into the Rabbit Hole.:rolleyes:

Good to see you today mate, quite enlightening.

Best

Darren

[john white]

Well done John, i've just watched it...

Wish I could do it, im sort of part the way there, but I just need to be fully confident with the information and tying it all together...

When is the next one fella?

When would you like one? really, if anyone in the UK would like me to come and do a talk for them, just get in touch

I should'nt think it will be too long before there's more Video from Malvern Messages, there's lots of ideas being sifted right now: probably within a couple of months

Hi all, I thought Johns' first time public speaking went down very well, especially as he also had the cameras on him too.

I've been talking to my camera for 12 years and I stutter and splutter all the time. Not an easy task.

I actually turned up late, Public Transport, sorry John, so I missed the first 2 sections. I rolled up at coffee break and found the last section very interesting and informative.

Nice one John, but now I'm looking forward to taking the Red Pill and filming you Deeper into the Rabbit Hole.

Good to see you today mate, quite enlightening.


It was great dondaz, and stunning views we enjoyed from the hills too!

[james777]

Hey Big JOHN, I'm sorry but I can't understand what you're saying. Is there any way you can foreward a transcript. I'm interested in this film, but as I've tried to watch it a few different times, my ossicles cannot interpret your dialect of english......

[john white]

Hey Big JOHN, I'm sorry but I can't understand what you're saying. Is there any way you can foreward a transcript. I'm interested in this film, but as I've tried to watch it a few different times, my ossicles cannot interpret your dialect of english......

Sorry about that James, there's no transcript at the moment, if I get the time this week I'll see what I can do

[james777]

Sorry about that James, there's no transcript at the moment, if I get the time this week I'll see what I can do

I appreciate that my friend...

[alexph777]

Hi John,

Congratulations on your research. Well done.

I've only watched half of it and will listen to the other half tomorrow. It was fascinating to listen to. Thanks.

[montag]

A BIG props to you John, public speaking is one of the most difficult things for people to do, let alone with such controversial subject matter..
You kind of remind me of an English Freeman..:D

Good work

Montag

[shenoma]

Sweet man, nice work, you are doing future work now, hehe.

[metatron]

Hi John

I've just finished watching your talk.....absolutely great!
Nice and easy informal style too...I think it really worked...congratulations:)

After watching your talk I have come away from it with a deeper understanding of the stuff thats going on.I was already aware of most of the stuff you talked about but you connected dots between the separate topics that helped me understand and pull into focus the link between banking,Govt policy and reality(or perceived reality).
I realise that this is only scratching the surface of the whole shebang but you have given me a more complete way of approaching all of this subject matter.A kind of template to use if you see what I mean.
I hope I'm making sense here!!

Anyway I look forward to watching more of your talks and I've bookmarked your site too.....plenty of stuff on there to keep me occupied for a while!!

Once again Thanks John.

[john white]

Hi John

I've just finished watching your talk.....absolutely great!
Nice and easy informal style too...I think it really worked...congratulations:)

After watching your talk I have come away from it with a deeper understanding of the stuff thats going on.I was already aware of most of the stuff you talked about but you connected dots between the separate topics that helped me understand and pull into focus the link between banking,Govt policy and reality(or perceived reality).
I realise that this is only scratching the surface of the whole shebang but you have given me a more complete way of approaching all of this subject matter.A kind of template to use if you see what I mean.
I hope I'm making sense here!!

Anyway I look forward to watching more of your talks and I've bookmarked your site too.....plenty of stuff on there to keep me occupied for a while!!

Once again Thanks John.

Thats wonderful mate, thanks for your very kind comments and yes, it seems to me that there has been a total communication of the aim of my talk between us. Thats marvellous!

[john white]

Hi John,

Congratulations on your research. Well done.

I've only watched half of it and will listen to the other half tomorrow. It was fascinating to listen to. Thanks.

Thanks mate: its your research too: truth belongs to all of us

A BIG props to you John, public speaking is one of the most difficult things for people to do, let alone with such controversial subject matter..
You kind of remind me of an English Freeman..

Good work

Montag

You know, I just "know" that I'd vibe totally with Freeman, just like that! Hes wonderful. Its easy to talk with people when we are holding the love vibration

http://www.freemantv.com/

Freeman is his own wealth of knowledge, and thats very fitting, as knowledge is wealth!

Sweet man, nice work, you are doing future work now, hehe

And so are you dear heart

[hagbard_celine]

Hi, John. Well done! I'll watch this with interest.

:)

[hagbard_celine]

John, I see it's a long film; feature length in fact! What an achievement! I expected a ten-minute wonder.

I'm a bit busy now, but I'll hopefully watch it on Friday. I'll look forward to it.

[john white]

John, I see it's a long film; feature length in fact! What an achievement! I expected a ten-minute wonder.

I'm a bit busy now, but I'll hopefully watch it on Friday. I'll look forward to it.

Nice one Hagbard. Knowing you as I do, I know you'll enjoy it! ;)

[montag]

You know, I just "know" that I'd vibe totally with Freeman, just like that! Hes wonderful. Its easy to talk with people when we are holding the love vibration

Freeman is one of my favorites, a man with a good heart and beautiful intention.
The world would be a much richer place with more like him..:)

[the festival spirit]

Hi John,

I did enjoy your film, nice one.

Lightheartedly (please note I am deaf but can make out speech fairly well,) was you referring to the baby when you said at least one person has done the research?

more seriously, may I offer some tips about sound quality and addressing an audience in the room and behind a screen?

Cheers for doing it, its inspirational.

[john white]

Hi John,

I did enjoy your film, nice one.

Lightheartedly (please note I am deaf but can make out speech fairly well,) was you referring to the baby when you said at least one person has done the research?

more seriously, may I offer some tips about sound quality and addressing an audience in the room and behind a screen?

Cheers for doing it, its inspirational.

Yeah I did say that the baby had doen the research, becuase she was very clear about knowing all about Bernays! bit of fun with the audience

Of course, I acknowledge the problems with the audio. The best way to do audio is to have a DAT recorder for the speaker and to tie in that audio with the camerawork afterwards: unfortunately, the DAT recorder I'd "cosmic blagged" fell through a couple of hours before the talk, so it was a matter of speaking as loud as I could without shouting outloud and keeping fingers crossed that the camera mikes would pick it up: regretably that meant that the cameras, being further back the hall, also picked up most of the sounds from the baby! (who i'm personally convinced is a wise soul, she had the most wonderful eyes!). Hopefully the next one will be better in respect to audio

[thewaycreates]

awesome job Johnny Appleseed!

your definitely a natural at speaking.

look forward to more, and ill definitely check out your site.

:)

[john white]

Nice one mate

Thanks to you and everyone else whose given their time and attention to watch this, I certainly appreciate it, and hope you feel you have recieved a fair exchange for what you gave

With 440 views to date, making this film has certainly multiplied the audience considerably! I find that marvellous, and I encourage anyone thinking of getting into film making to do it!

[deca]

Well done john enjoyed that.
I like the fact that the people in the auidance new a few things, and are open to new ways of thinking.
I hope you carry on talking,I am sure you will.

[john white]

Well done john enjoyed that.
I like the fact that the people in the auidance new a few things, and are open to new ways of thinking.
I hope you carry on talking,I am sure you will.

y'know I was both suprised and delighted by that myself (the amount the audience was already "in the know"). It does lead me to consider spreading the info is a lot easier than we let ourselves think: people are certainly open to change!

[thewaycreates]

John, how did people know about this talk? did put up flyers of something?

[edelweiss pirate]

You're pretty good in action John .... I notice you tamed your beard a bit or am I lacking the benefit of a close-up...

Actually, come to think of it, a bit more dynamic camera action would be cool... I guess you had the thing on a fixed tripod or something though...

[john white]

John, how did people know about this talk? did put up flyers of something?

Firstly, it was part of Arts Fringe week so it got publicity in the Fringe programme (not a lot, but some). Secondly, I told everyone I know! (Dowsing group, Interfaith, Unity etc etc). I didnt put up flyers or anything else, it was a small venue anyway. However, now the videos up, its been mass emailed around the Arts Fringe email ring, which means a lot of local people are getting to hear about it and will be fairly likely to check it out. Its definately caught attention, different people are drawn to different apects over the range of the talk. It would be great if the video leads to more local interest in Malvern Messages.

Although I've always seen Malvern Messages as more than a local project, I'm very commited to finding ways to get the info into the local community: after all thats what has to happen before there can be meaningful change. So when I started the web site last summer I deliberately ONLY promoted it locally to see what would happen on the ground. I learned that 1000+ flyers produced 20 or so members who have kept up with reading info off the site but havnt really embraced active posting: again, it would be great if the film helps give that a bump start too

[john white]

You're pretty good in action John .... I notice you tamed your beard a bit or am I lacking the benefit of a close-up...

Actually, come to think of it, a bit more dynamic camera action would be cool... I guess you had the thing on a fixed tripod or something though...

LOL! That beard had a life of its own last year

Hang on, I've got a pic of me, Planetfrog and other members of the scooby gang hanging around somewhere...

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9457/dsc030345lvgi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

So anyway, you recollect fine edelweiss

The camera where on fixed tripods of course, given the shape and size of the room I'd say it would have been dificult to have had them mobile.The talk works fine as audio as well of course (well would do if the audio was better!) All good feedback for the next one

BTW, my shades have finally broken! Alas dear friends, I'd had them ten years and they were cool for everyday...

[barbitone]

Hey John! Very nice work mate. Steppin' it up....

It is a pity you didn't have a better setup like a microphone and such but I can still hear it...

I'm watching it now. Very good topics of interest. Putting the focus in some important places. Wicked.

What strikes me is that, this situation is unheard of in terms of our history. A mere peon with this sort of understanding? Blasphemy!:D We certainly live in a n exciting time if there are people like you doing things like this out there. Inspiring is the least of it.:)

I wish I could do something like this some time. Cool stuff.

[barbitone]

Just finished the vid now. Brilliant effort mate! Nice one. Put some things in perspective for me. I hadn't heard of the smoking part before. Very good section on banking. And you tied it all in at the end like a pro. Looks like you had a good time doing it too.

Lookin' forward to the next installment.:D

[hagbard_celine]

Hi, John.

Well done! I really enjoyed that (or the electrical signals to my brain in the perpex jar made me!) It's a simple lecture, but very wide in its scope. I like your style. In fact I'd recomend this film as a way to introduce friends and family to these esoteric subjects.

I'm glad you mentioned Bernays and John Nash etc. It's funny to think that a lot of the manipulation is not secret! It's simply not promoted in the mainstream media. Why keep things secret when you have a media that is such a powerful distractor?

What you said reminded me of something I read in a book: "If someone took you brain out and connected it to the rest of your nervous system by a wireless relay then you're brainless body could travel to New York while your bodyless brain stayed in London. You wouldn't know the difference between your brain being in your head and being out of your head! But this raises a question: If you're brain is in London and your body is in New York... where are you?"

Let us know if you make another one.

[peter19]

iv got to watch this yet, i watched bit and it crashed. its good you write things down john because if you were anything like me you would talk abit and forget what your talking about and thered be a pause were you wouldnt know what to say lol(what am i doing here??? lol). sometimes that could have good meaning though. still from what iv seen 15 mins in it seems allright, ill check it out an see if i can watch it all.

[john white]

Hey John! Very nice work mate. Steppin' it up....

It is a pity you didn't have a better setup like a microphone and such but I can still hear it...

I'm watching it now. Very good topics of interest. Putting the focus in some important places. Wicked.

What strikes me is that, this situation is unheard of in terms of our history. A mere peon with this sort of understanding? Blasphemy! :D We certainly live in an exciting time if there are people like you doing things like this out there. Inspiring is the least of it.:)

I wish I could do something like this some time. Cool stuff.

That is such a sweet comment Barbitone, because that is exactly how I feel to. We live in a time our predecessors (also us!) would never have believed.
The knowledge is there, it suffuses our very existence, in fact we can pluck it from the ether, and no control matrix can do a thing about it. All that is required is the choice

I'm going to have to do some dowsing soon and get that on Vid! (Did anyone catch the dowsing rods montage that Dondaz made for me in the opening credits?)

[john white]

Hi all

A few people have said they are having trouble viewing the talk on googlevideo becuase it cuts out after 15 mins, not everyone, mostly its fine, but for a few

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v727514Tfh98hwQ

The talk is up on Veoh on the above link; please consider this an alternate source

There is a downside though: it only gives 5 mins and then asks you to download it: and its the uncompressed version
( 954 MB ) (sound seems a little better)

I will try and get it hosted in a third place. Thanks for all the support! I'm so happy that this film has been enjoyed by so many people

[informationx]

You remind me of Alan Watts :)

[john white]

You remind me of Alan Watts :)

LOL! Dunno what matrixcutter will make of that!

Thanks for watching

[john white]

I thought I'd mention, there are threads for my other talks here:

JW Talk's about becoming your own Storyteller VID

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12497

Hi all

Following on from my recent talk about "story and community", Malvern Greenpeace invited me along to expand on the theme of "becoming your own Storyteller", where I look at taking charge of ones own perceptions to become effective in life in bringing about growth and change

In addition to the main talk, this film also captures the after talk conversation, where lots of interesting insights came out! Very lively and active people, Malvern Greenpeace members!

Personaly, I think its the best talk I've done so far this year

This film is hosted on Veoh: (I'm having problems with googlevideo at the moment) and can either be directly downloaded or you can download the "Veoh TV" software and watch it streaming. Sorry about that: a googlevid version will be available as soon as possible and I will add the link. The Veoh TV software is very good though and theres a lot of material of Veoh well worth downloading the browser for

Anyway, here we go: enjoy!

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v13544078wxckrjQ

And here:

JW Talks about Storey and Community VID

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11948


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...43266906659792

Recently I had an invite to talk for an hour to Malvern Arts Fringe during the Folk Music weekend (which was wicked, google Babar Luck!), and this is the result, where I look back into the origins of community and consider the role of story in shaping our sense of reality. I also contrast the stories of civilisation with those of the tribe, where we learn some suprising things, and start to expand on the role of story in the future...

So enjoy! And as always, come and join us at www.malvernmessages.com

John White

Strictly speaking the "Story and Community" talk comes before the "Becoming your own Storyteller" talk, but between you and me, the "Story teller" talk is better ;)

[sunyatta60]

Hi John
I was impressed by your talk you seem to lean towards Locke where I am more of a Plato philosopher myself. When you said seeing is believing right at the start of the film I laughed, that is the paradigm you have been force fed down the years. It is in fact the other way around what you believe you will see, over time.
We see this in for example Cosmology, a theoretical physicist Hawkings is sitting there twiddling away with his thoughts and creating his equations and lo and behold he dreams up the idea that in Space there are Black Holes. He informs the Scientific world and Cosmologist / Astronomers start to search for said Black holes, time passes and guess what Black holes appear to be part of reality lo and behold.
That is because Consciousness is creating our reality, that is what the Anthropic principle is all about and it is the one theory that really shakes both the Atheist and the Material Scientist!!! Don't take my word for it though here is Hoyle confirming it:


Nothing has shaken my Atheism as much as this discovery.
Professor Fred Hoyle talking about The Anthropic Principle.

Ok back to your film while I munch on my toast :)


If the body came into being because of consciousness that is a wonder, but if
consciousness came in to being because of the body this is a wonder of wonders.
Jesus Christ The Gospel of Thomas


Consciousness is the ground of all being
Amit Goswami

[sunyatta60]

Hi John
The Brain this is the big one the conundrum that seems to have stumped Neuroscientist. The question is Where does Consciousness come from. The traditional view taken by those engaged in the study of consciousness is that Consciousness arises in the brain, however, I see no evidence of this myself. It is simply scientific dogma. The view put forward by Rupert Sheldrake and others seems to be more accurate and certainly goes some way to resolving Chalmers Hard problem of Consciousness.
Sheldrake et al call it the 'Theory of Cellular Memory', the idea is simple, thoughts do not come from the brain, they come Through the brain. What I find amusing is how many scientists use the words Brain and Mind synonomously the two are clearly not the same thing. Brain is tangible Mind clearly is not.
And while I am on this subject Scientist cannot make any distinction between the Dreaming Brain and The Waking Brain. Something Jung hypothesised many years ago.


The more knowledgeable we become about the universe; less and less it looks like a great machine and more and more it looks like a great thought.
Sir James Jeans

[sunyatta60]

Is Your Brain Really Necessary?

By Richard Milton
AlternativeScience.com

Do you really have to have a brain? The reason for my apparently absurd question is the remarkable research conducted at the University of Sheffield by neurology professor John Lorber.

When Sheffield's campus doctor was treating one of the mathematics students for a minor ailment, he noticed that the student's head was a little larger than normal. The doctor referred the student to professor Lorber for further examination.

The student in question was academically bright, had a reported IQ of 126 and was expected to graduate. When he was examined by CAT-scan, however, Lorber discovered that he had virtually no brain at all.

Instead of two hemispheres filling the cranial cavity, some 4.5 centimetres deep, the student had less than 1 millimetre of cerebral tissue covering the top of his spinal column.

The student was suffering from hydrocephalus, the condition in which the cerebrospinal fluid, instead of circulating around the brain and entering the bloodstream, becomes dammed up inside the brain.

Normally, the condition is fatal in the first months of childhood. Even where an individual survives he or she is usually seriously handicapped. Somehow, though, the Sheffield student had lived a perfectly normal life and went on to gain an honours degree in mathematics.

This case is by no means as rare as it seems. In 1970, a New Yorker died at the age of 35. He had left school with no academic achievements, but had worked at manual jobs such as building janitor, and was a popular figure in his neighbourhood. Tenants of the building where he worked described him as passing the days performing his routine chores, such as tending the boiler, and reading the tabloid newspapers. When an autopsy was performed to determine the cause of his premature death he, too, was found to have practically no brain at all.

Professor Lorber has identified several hundred people who have very small cerebral hemispheres but who appear to be normal intelligent individuals. Some of them he describes as having 'no detectable brain', yet they have scored up to 120 on IQ tests.

No-one knows how people with 'no detectable brain' are able to function at all, let alone to graduate in mathematics, but there are a couple theories. One idea is that there is such a high level of redundancy of function in the normal brain that what little remains is able to learn to deputise for the missing hemispheres. Another, similar, suggestion is the old idea that we only use a small percentage of our brains anyway -- perhaps as little a 10 per cent. The trouble with these ideas is that more recent research seems to contradict them. The functions of the brain have been mapped comprehensively and although there is some redundancy there is also a high degree of specialisation -- the motor area and the visual cortex being highly specific for instance. Similarly, the idea that we 'only use 10 per cent of our brain' is a misunderstanding dating from research in the 1930s in which the functions of large areas of the cortex could not be determined and were dubbed 'silent', when in fact they are linked with important functions like speech and abstract thinking.

The other interesting thing about Lorber's findings is that they remind us of the mystery of memory. At first it was thought that memory would have some physical substrate in the brain, like the memory chips in a PC. But extensive investigation of the brain has turned up the surprising fact that memory is not located in any one area or in a specific substrate. As one eminent neurologist put it, 'memory is everywhere in the brain and nowhere.'

But if the brain is not a mechanism for classifying and storing experiences and analysing them to enable us to live our lives then what on earth is the brain for? And where is the seat of human intelligence? Where is the mind?

The only biologist to propose a radically novel approach to these questions is Dr Rupert Sheldrake. In his book A New Science of Life Sheldrake rejected the idea that the brain is a warehouse for memories and suggested it is more like a radio receiver for tuning into the past. Memory is not a recording process in which a medium is altered to store records, but a journey that the mind makes into the past via the process of morphic resonance.

But, of course, such a crazy idea couldn't possibly be true, could it?

Source: AlternativeScience.com

[john white]

Hi John
I was impressed by your talk you seem to lean towards Locke where I am more of a Plato philosopher myself. When you said seeing is believing right at the start of the film I laughed, that is the paradigm you have been force fed down the years. It is in fact the other way around what you believe you will see, over time.
We see this in for example Cosmology, a theoretical physicist Hawkings is sitting there twiddling away with his thoughts and creating his equations and lo and behold he dreams up the idea that in Space there are Black Holes. He informs the Scientific world and Cosmologist / Astronomers start to search for said Black holes, time passes and guess what Black holes appear to be part of reality lo and behold.
That is because Consciousness is creating our reality, that is what the Anthropic principle is all about and it is the one theory that really shakes both the Atheist and the Material Scientist!!! Don't take my word for it though here is Hoyle confirming it:


Nothing has shaken my Atheism as much as this discovery.
Professor Fred Hoyle talking about The Anthropic Principle.

Ok back to your film while I munch on my toast :)


If the body came into being because of consciousness that is a wonder, but if
consciousness came in to being because of the body this is a wonder of wonders.
Jesus Christ The Gospel of Thomas


Consciousness is the ground of all being
Amit Goswami

Hey there

Thanks for checking out the film

When I said "seeing is believing", I was doing so from the POV of agreeing with you... a conversation has to start somewhere.... and indeed it certainly does all take place inside our heads. I certainly hold to the theme that what we "see" (think,feel) is totally filtered through the construct we have to see it with: of course this is a key understanding as we approach the knowledge that our minds are not us

I enjoyed the article on "is the brain nessacary?": have to admit its staying on the backburner for me... I woudl'nt want to scoop mine out to find out. I did reference that POV briefly in the first half hour of the rabbit hole talk as "difficult to get ones head round" (which of course... it kind of is!)

Anyways, thanks for your thoughts and feedback, much appreciated

[sunyatta60]

When Astronomers Fall
Into A Black Hole
By Michael Goodspeed
Thunderbolts.info
11-3-7

The German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer once said, "The discovery of truth is prevented more effectively, not by the false appearance things present and which mislead into error, not directly by weakness of the reasoning powers, but by preconceived opinion, by prejudice." The most fundamental "prejudice" that has directed the space sciences for decades is the belief that, across cosmic distances, space is electrically inert. Throughout the Space Age, every new discovery has been interpreted through a lens that views gravity alone as the force that shapes the heavens.
This model of the cosmos also underpins our view of the Sun and our solar system. Ironically, as 20th century astronomers codified this perspective, the leading pioneers of plasma science were observing stupendous electric forces in space, and documenting the analogs in laboratory discharge phenomena. Through systematic observation and experiment, Hannes Alfven, the father of modern plasma science, came to a viewpoint contrary to that of mainstream astronomy. In his acceptance speech for the Nobel Prize, he warned astronomers that the study of plasma behavior requires attention to experimental plasma dynamics. But Alfven's warning went unheeded, allowing the cosmos to become, in Alfven's words, "...the playground of theoreticians who have never seen a plasma in a laboratory. Many of them still believe in formulae which we know from laboratory experiments to be wrong."
In the 21st century, mainstream astronomy faces a crisis of revolutionary proportions. Pervasive electrical phenomena observed in space confound astronomers who have insufficient training in experimental plasma science, and electrodynamics. In fact, with increasing (and inevitable) regularity, the language of the electrical theorists has entered the lexicon of mainstream astronomy, but in a manner that can only lead to greater confusion, both for the scientists and the general public.
The Newtonian vision of the cosmic theater imagines isolated bodies turning gear-like in a vacuum. The Electric Universe envisions electrical circuits embedded in a conducting medium whose components drive each other and may be in resonance. The differences between the two viewpoints is readily illustrated in a recent report from the New Scientist news service entitled, "Magnetic cocoons power energetic cosmic rays." (
http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn12818-magnetic-
cocoons-power-energetic-cosmic-rays.html)
The article discusses a theoretical solution for the "mystery" of ultra-high-energy cosmic rays. Standard theory has never succeeded in explaining the rays, which are thought to originate from far beyond our galaxy yet somehow make it all the way to Earth. Two scientists have proposed that the rays are "powered" by "magnetised cocoons of plasma" that were formed by jets of high-speed particles supposedly emitted by a "supermassive black hole."
The scientists suggest that over billions of years, the "magnetic fields" inside these "cocoons" induce electric fields, and "These electric fields are strong enough to accelerate cosmic rays to ultra-high energies."
And the astronomical community seems intrigued by the proposal. A Stanford University scientist quoted in the New Scientist piece referred to the theory as "the LEAST IMPLAUSIBLE explanation of ultra-high-energy cosmic rays."[Emphasis added]
A layman reading the New Scientist article faces the arduous task of distinguishing fact from theory, since the author makes little or no attempt to do so. What, for example, are we to think of the author's suggestion that the rays might be "produced near the Milky Way by the decay of super-heavy dark matter particles or by defects in space time"? Since scientists don't know what "dark matter" is (and even many standard cosmologists now question its existence), how can one meaningfully speculate on the existence of SUPER-HEAVY dark matter? And what practical significance could there be to a "defect in space-time," other than a neat plot twist to a Star Trek episode?
The author refers to "black holes" and "dark matter" as if they are FACTS, rather than speculative hypotheses. He refers to the "big bang" in a similar manner, even asserting that "every cubic centimetre of space contains about 400 relic photons from the BIG BANG FIREBALL."[Emphasis added] But when one examines the "explanation" for ultra-high-energy cosmic rays offered by the two scientists cited in the piece, every link in the chain of logic is based on assumptions that have no support in observation or experiment.
The first assumption is that black holes are real, and a black hole exists at the center of every galaxy. In fact, this assumption is so common that most science writers no longer bother to maintain any pretense of journalistic dispassion -- they simply assert that black holes exist and demand that the layman accept it as true. But no one has ever seen a black hole -- it is a mathematical concept invented to account for phenomena at the hearts of galaxies that are "too energetic" in a universe dominated by the pitifully weak force of gravity. The idea that a "nearly infinite compression" of matter (a black hole) can occur ANYWHERE has no experimental support whatever.
Furthermore, the black hole theory has had an embarrassing to non-existent PREDICTIVE record -- it has been and continues to be tweaked, modified, and overhauled to account for unexpected observations. For example, in its original formulation, magnetic fields had no role at all. But as astronomers with new instruments began to detect pervasive magnetic fields in space, the theorists were forced to redefine the envisioned "black hole activity" to account for them. All the while, they continue to ignore the electric currents on which magnetic fields depend.
The second assumption is that black holes (which we have no valid reason to believe exist) emit jets of high-speed particles. Since we were told for years that the gravitational force of black holes was too great for ANYTHING to escape, even LIGHT, this idea is particularly ironic. In fact, galaxies have been seen emitting high-energy X-rays and stupendous, filamentary jets across THOUSANDS of light years (requiring no small adjustment to black hole theory!).
In the case of the galaxy cluster Abell 400, a composite X-ray image revealed "radio jets immersed in a vast cloud of multimillion degree X-ray emitting gas that pervades the cluster." Astronomers claimed that the jets emanated from "two supermassive black holes" that were provoking the "merging" of two large galaxies.
But as was pointed out in a Picture of the Day on Thunderbolts.info: "Any substance with a temperature of 'multimillion' degrees cannot possibly be a gas: It will be a completely ionized plasma....(T)he X-rays in such cases are almost exclusively synchrotron radiation, not thermal radiation. That means the X-rays are emitted by very fast electrons spiraling in a strong magnetic field. The Abell 400 galaxies are under EXTREME ELECTRICAL STRESS.
"To generate the observed levels of energy seen in Abell 400 -- using nothing but the puny force of gravity -- more matter would have to be squeezed into a galaxy than a galaxy could hold. But the theorists are mathematicians, and they work with equations, not with real objects. This permits them to ignore empirical limits on density and let the amount of matter per unit volume increase without limit: The 'neutron stars' and 'black holes' conjured through this mathematical license can be placed wherever needed to explain away the stunning and potentially embarrassing energy excesses." (For an electrical interpretation of Abell 400, see
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060501twoblackholes.htm)
The third assumption is that the jets of high-speed particles supposedly emitted by conjectured black holes can create "magnetic cocoons". These "giant magnetiszed cocoons of plasma," decaying over BILLIONS OF YEARS, finally produce electric fields strong enough to accelerate the cosmic rays. Here, the scientists are repeating precisely the error that Alfven so adamantly warned them against in his later career: they are presuming that magnetic fields are "frozen" into neutral plasma with no contribution from electric currents. Magnetic fields, Alfven insisted, are only part of the story. The electric currents that CREATE magnetic fields must not be overlooked, and contemporary attempts to model space plasma in the absence of electric currents will set astronomy and astrophysics on a course toward crisis, he said.
It isn't that the "cocoons" do not exist -- in fact it was plasma cosmologists who have identified the structure and dynamic of vast cellular forms in space. They are Langmuir sheaths, named after Irving Langmuir, who gave space plasma its name based on its "lifelike" qualities similar to those of blood plasma. Langmuir sheaths are seen at all scales of electrical activity in plasma. They signify regions of different charge separated by a cellular boundary. Across the walls of that sheath, an electric field exists. This electric field cannot have been produced by some "generator" inside the sheath; it must be due to larger regions of electric potential, however these regions are to be explained.
In an electric universe, galaxies are born from high-energy, electrical events whose signature can now be seen in space. Take a moment and consider the image above of the Radio Galaxy 3C31 (also called NGC 383). This galaxy is a MINISCULE object, little more than a dust mote, when seen against an immense display of highly energetic charged particles. Electrons in twin polar jets, accelerated to near the speed of light are the witnesses to the most intense electrical discharge activity known to science. Our instruments detect this activity through its synchrotron radiation and through the twin lobes of high-energy radio signals. So how is this huge region of electrical activity to be interpreted? In standard models, an electrically-neutral galaxy is asked to generate electrical activity across volumes of space THOUSANDS of times greater than the volume of the galaxy. But simple electrodynamics says this is impossible! How does a galactic-size, neutral object produce a vast domain of electrical activity around it? A plasma cosmologist looking at this image will see electric currents incomparably larger than the galaxy, being focused down by a plasma "pinch," at energy levels capable of lighting and organizing stars into the observed galactic structure. (For background, see Plasma Galaxies:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060602plasma-galaxy.htm)
The researchers cited in the New Scientist piece DO recognize an electrical-effect behind the "mysterious" cosmic rays, but in order to achieve this theoretical effect, they require a chain of bizarre events that have no analog in nature as we know it. We see in full display the crisis of which Alfven had forewarned -- "gravity-only" space scientists have no choice but to call on weird, untestable, unproven mechanics to achieve the "hard way" (or, in the words of one scientist, the "least implausible" way) what electricity does routinely, as demonstrated through decades of plasma experiments.
From an electrical perspective, the ultra-high-energy cosmic rays are not the result of a series of strange and unprovable events in deep space. They almost certainly originate in our own cosmic neighborhood, within the Milky Way, as a result of electrical discharge events well-modeled by plasma cosmologists. In other words, the rays do not need to travel across the Universe, overcoming the impedance of particles along the way. What plasma scientists call "z-pinches" in electric currents are nature's most efficient particle accelerators -- a phenomenon dominating much of plasma and "pulsed power" research today. The production of "relativistic speeds" (approaching the speed of light) does not require anything more than an electrically active galaxy. Both the galactic core and other focal points of electric discharge activity (such as planetary nebulae) are the logical places to investigate as the source of ultra-high-energy cosmic rays.
Image Credit: NRAO/AUI 2006
For a highly acclaimed introduction to the Electric Universe, the hour-long documentary Thunderbolts of the Gods may be viewed on Google video:

[john white]

For a highly acclaimed introduction to the Electric Universe, the hour-long documentary Thunderbolts of the Gods may be viewed on Google video

Cracking film that is, I've got a fair bit of info on a thread here:

http://malvernmessages.free-forums.org/malvernmessages-about752.html

And heres the film on google:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&q=Thunderbolts+of+the+Gods&total=19&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Anyway I'm bumping this thread to update it with a link for the thread covering my latest talk, "Facing the Fear of confronting the Real"


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26001

Heres the Video of my recent talk on the environment, "Facing the Fear of Confronting the Real"

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3842406891195904729&hl=en-GB

"John shares his views on the environmental situation,he looks at the ways that attitudes have been blocked on effective change of both personal and societal levels and then he share ways that we could develop as a civilisation if only we can face the challenges from within"

Sound quality is a little rough at first but soon improves

To give an idea where I head to with this talk, heres a snippett from my notes

Global Warming, CO2, Going Green, Climate Change

These words are being thrown around in society more and more these days, and inevitably these words are being understood in different ways and leading to polairsed opinions

Nigel Lawson calls Climate Change a Cult, a dangerous cult, an irrational set of beliefs that will harm our society and advantasge our economic oponents: he tells us this in his confidence to make an assesment based on his role as Energy Minister in the Thatcher Government

James Lovelock calls climate change the inevitable reality that will lay waste to human civilisation and lead to the 21st century seeing pain and suffering on a scale never imagined before as the chaos in the climate makes itself felt in all human affairs, coupled with the massive consequecnes of human behaviour

Some say climate change is nothing to do with CO2's and caused by increased radiation from the sun. Some say global warming isnt happening and cite the lack in temperature rise the last 7 years as proof of this. Others say this pause in temperature rise is part of the overall adjustment cycle and that changes elsewhere are delaying the heating effect which nevertheless will soon come. Others say that no, the globe will become massively cooler as the effects of human pollution continues to make itself felt

I say all of this contains truth, but in itself is also irrelevant: at least in that it fails to make the true point:

We are undoing the very matrix of life on this planet: we are unmaking the very essence of ourselves, the foundation of our own bodies, our own life, our own existance, by being slaved to our desires and oblivious to our true needs

Our addiction to a world of take, make and throw away is nothing more than prolongated mass suicide: that is the real cult threatening our society. And it lies not in some shadowy organisation or sinister philosophy, but inside our own ignorance of ourselves