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darkseid
08-02-2009, 11:38 AM
Can the bible and darwin both be right about evolution ? i anit to sure so have your say and help me out
freedom_thoughts
08-02-2009, 11:52 AM
Can the bible and darwin both be right about evolution ? i anit to sure so have your say and help me out
Neither can be proven to be correct and infact nothing about evolution can be proven to be correct until we dismantle our current society and create a new one.
Even then we cannot go back in time to see for ourselves, so really I don't think a theory of evolution could ever be proven right or wrong.
Unless of course beings from another planet turn up one day and show us other wise, or we invent a time machine......
swethirte
08-02-2009, 11:52 AM
Can the bible and darwin both be right about evolution ? i anit to sure so have your say and help me out
No. They flatly contradict each other. But then this is not surprising since the Bible is the work of patriarchal priests who had distorted the truth beyond all recognition, in pursuit of worldly power.
themime
08-02-2009, 12:05 PM
Can the bible and darwin both be right about evolution ? i anit to sure so have your say and help me out
St Augustine said it best:
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, this is a disgraceful and dangerous things for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumable giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these subjects; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of the Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. (De Genesi ad litteram, Book I, Chapter 19)
kiwimaj
08-02-2009, 12:21 PM
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Interesting website..
Firstly, as far as I am aware, Darwin DID NOT say that we evolved from apes, there was this original life form, (ape/human) some stayed on the ground, (humans) some then went into the trees (apes)...so to say we evolved from apes is a nonsense, aas much as you may say the apes evolved from us...this one teency weency little piece of Darwinian discovery that seems to have been distorted..oh, I wonder why, to maybe discredit the rest of his findings in the sheeples minds, keep them religion-based evolution bound....???
..just ONE observation...I will have a read of the rest..
phildee3
08-02-2009, 12:22 PM
No. They flatly contradict each other. But then this is not surprising since the Bible is the work of patriarchal priests who had distorted the truth beyond all recognition, in pursuit of worldly power.
This may be true as far as the way the question here is phrased,
however, creationism vs evolutionism is another matter.
I have always seen them as being totally compatible,
evolution being part of the process by which "creation" is attained.
the itinerant shrubber
08-02-2009, 12:34 PM
Evolution versus talking snakes... Mmm... They both sound so credible...
informationx
08-02-2009, 12:43 PM
Its evolution all the way for me.
I'm atheistic about the scriptures. But if we can remove the idea of god away from the so called holy books for a minute, a kind of supreme intelligence - then I have to be agnostic about that idea, because I dont think there is anyway I can know.
dragond
08-02-2009, 03:05 PM
Can the bible and darwin both be right about evolution ? i anit to sure so have your say and help me out
They are both Bullshit and thats my honest opinion..
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dragond
08-02-2009, 03:10 PM
Evolution versus talking snakes... Mmm... They both sound so credible...
nah its walking monkeys versus talking snakes versus virgin prostutes should be correct... hmmm i think something is missing from this equation...
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endlessvista
08-02-2009, 03:14 PM
Can the bible and darwin both be right about evolution ? i anit to sure so have your say and help me out
Yes, and they can both be wrong.
Keep thinking for yourself and researching - you are on the right path.
miranda
08-02-2009, 03:49 PM
I don't 'believe' in evolution of humans from apes. Genetic tinkering all around, yep.
I don't see, though, why, if you believe in Creationism, there couldn't be a middle ground - God created the Earth, and in doing so, created the ongoing 'evolution' of species within it ... including the evolution of humans from Adam and Eve to modern day computer users - sort of giant factory-planet, bubbling and heaving with life ... I know that doesn't sound v satisfactory, and misses out a few major points(!)
Personally, I find the Annunaki idea more compatible with the bible - 'God' coming down from a cloud with shining face and all that, but who knows?
Yeah there is a lot of darwin bashing
I don`t like this, I came across some material and I see were this is going
A) if we did not evolve but were created then we might be considered "property"
B) also it tried to disconnect our conscious mind from or body, also applying that our conscious was not ours but belonged to the creator ?
so we are "property" and we will be "controlled" serve our creator?
worrying
Also understand the mambo jumbo that covers this kind of ideology in new age religions?
themime
08-02-2009, 04:18 PM
B) also it tried to disconnect our conscious mind from or body, also applying that our conscious was not ours but belonged to the creator ?
Maybe, but what if the universe exists in two states at the same time.
One contains the physical world while the other which is overlayed but still separate contains the mind and the information that we perceive.
Not saying it is but there may be theories to support such a hypothesis.
look I not buying into this mambo jumbo and be blinded by science and end up losing my rights and end up being a slave, just because the wool is pulled over peoples eyes....by some theory devised in a lab ? from the holes in the last theory sorry....
Hmmm what else do they use Science evidence to change law and behaviour ect....
hmmm global warming , Eugenics need I say more?????
themime
08-02-2009, 06:33 PM
Hmmm what else do they use Science evidence to change law and behaviour ect....
hmmm global warming , Eugenics need I say more?????
You missed out Darwinism.
Can the bible and darwin both be right about evolution ? i anit to sure so have your say and help me out
Darwinistic evolution is an economical postulate and has informed imperialist or western governments and people to believe, accept and live according to the false axioms, false truths of "survival of the fittest" and "competition" where originally indegenous peoples and more true-based societies (which these daysd are now oppressed or vanquished ... and hence the nwo came alot earlier for them then for 'us') never did so, and know to be false.
hence, i would say, from the evidence i have seen, darwinistic evolution is untrue, and there is evidence against it on so many levels (but repressed), and even darwin himself turned against his own thesis and believed that the influencials at the time misrepresented what he was trying to say.
agneau
09-02-2009, 02:25 PM
Care to back any of that nonsense up, ie11? Examples perhaps of the 'eveidence' you have seen? And source of your contention that Darwin 'turned against his own thesis'?
There is no credible alternative to the Theory of Natural Selection that fits the avaialable evidence. Religion is delusion.
bendoon
09-02-2009, 02:35 PM
Evolution is just an excuse for rebellion against the Creator, you wanna be a billionaire and rule the world ? have everyone as your slaves ? first you have to convice them there is no higher power than you.
agneau
09-02-2009, 02:53 PM
Not sure how one would actually rebel against an imaginary being?
And if I wanted to be a billionaire and rule the world, I rather think either business, politics, or war-mongering might be a slightly more direct route cf delevoping and gaining acceptance of a scientific theory.
phildee3
09-02-2009, 03:14 PM
Not sure how one would actually rebel against an imaginary being?
Simple.
Imagine a rebellion.
brio313
09-02-2009, 04:47 PM
Can the bible and darwin both be right about evolution ? i anit to sure so have your say and help me out
Well i don't know how Darwin would explain the discovery of 300 million years old human bones for a start. But i know the finds are in thread with vedic archeologists world view. The Vedas localizes human civilization back atleast 300 millions in other ages or yugas.
Other people may want to believe they descend from apes. I know i don't:D
Do your own research, find the evidence which is out there, connect the dots.
You may want to check out Michael Cremo and his exceptional work if you are up for a real eye opener. Hope it works out for you!
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/17258/Forbiden_Archeology___A_Vedic_Perspective/