William Cooper, William Greer & JFK assassination

[kasalt]

I'm sure most of you here have seen William Cooper's videotaped lectures on Google or Youtube in which Cooper plays a poor quality video of the Kennedy assassination and claims that it was actually Kennedy's driver, secret service agent William Greer, who fired the fatal head shot that killed Kennedy. And in fact, in this poor quality video, it does indeed appear that the driver seems to raise a weapon over his right shoulder and aim it at Kennedy at the very instant he was shot. For a while, even I thought it might be true, although I had to wonder why it was that among the throng of spectators lined along the street, apparently no one saw it happen. After all, I had never heard this theory from anyone else before I heard of William Cooper.

Early on in his book, Behold a Pale Horse, Cooper writes:

"On the day that I learned that the Office of Naval Intelligence had participated in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and that it was the Secret Service agent driving the limo that had shot Kennedy in the head, I went AWOL with no intention of ever returning."

Cooper also writes in Behold that some of the information he was exposed to may well have been government disinformation. Well, the disinformation agents must have had a field day when Cooper went AWOL, because any clear examination of the Zapruder film will reveal that it is actually the forehead and hair of the secret service agent sitting in the passenger's seat next to Greer that we are seeing, and not the hand and gun of Greer. The following video gives ample analysis to prove this point (cautionary note, this video contains profanity and abundant rudeness on the part of the young turk who made it):


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


This does not mean that I think that there wasn't any conspiracy to kill Kennedy. I believe that there was a conspiracy based in part on the fact that secret service agents were ordered to stand down from Kennedy's car just minutes before he was assassinated. Here is video proof of the stand-down:

JFK assassination: Secret Service Stand-down
JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown - YouTube

[starchildtesla]

is it possible that william cooper was set up.He was a disinformation agent by the cia to actually keep the attention on the driver .He also claims aliens will invade earth.The nwo last "card " after global warming ? to create a 1 world governement,.Ronald Reagen said that in his speech at the Un :eek:!!!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


Then he was shot by law enforcement either or he has gone underground..

In his video he keeps claiming keep your eyes on the driver.. i think keep your eyes on Gov of Texas he seems to be shooting jfk at point blank range.

There Definately is a conspiracy concerning jfk death his head gets violenty shot backwards , and you can see the reaction to jfks wife in running toward the " shooter "(oswald);)

[ngawaka19]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bNTeQ9ckmD8


Hey kasalt,

Bout 2 years ago I was up super late and caught the end of the most precise and factual doco about the assassination of JFK. I didn't know what it was called and I hunted 6 mths later I found it. Its called "The Men Who Killed JFK". Here's the link and its got 3 segments, the smoking gun, the love affair, and cant remember what the last one's called, but with in these 3 segments are 4 parts (all up 12 sections). This link is the first ep1 seg1 follow your nose for the rest enjoy. It'll blow your mind.
ngawaka

[falseflag]

I remember watching Cooper's lecture years ago, and being conviced it was the driver as well. Its obvious now though that its the passengers forehead, once you get a clear pictureat least. I recall showing it to my friends about 10 years ago, it took them ages to actually see what appears to be the gun.
Saying that, I don't trust the Zapruder film at all.

[chattanova]

Call for rethink on Kennedy shooting

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=MYE4VAGCOYRYTQFIQMFSFF4AVCBQ 0IV0?xml=/news/2007/05/18/wjfk18.xml

''Fresh debate over the assassination of President John F Kennedy has erupted following a research team's claims that bullet analysis used to show that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone was "fundamentally flawed".

The team of experts, which includes a former senior FBI scientist, is challenging the analysis of bullet fragments on which government officials based their conclusion that Oswald alone fired the two bullets that killed the president in 1963, the Washington Post reports.

At the time investigators concluded that the five bullet fragments recovered from the scene came from just two bullets, which were both traced to the same batch of bullets Oswald owned.

But an article in the Annals of Applied Statistics claims that the "evidence used to rule out a second assassin is fundamentally flawed".

The report, by William Tobin, a former FBI laboratory metallurgist, and Cliff Spiegelman and William James, of Texas University, is based on new statistical calculations and a modern chemical analysis of bullets from the batch Oswald purportedly used.

While the researchers reached no conclusion about whether more than one gunman was involved in the Dallas shooting, they urged authorities to conduct a completely fresh forensic analysis of the five bullet fragments.

The researchers believe that the bullet fragments could have come from three or more separate bullets. If the five fragments came from three or more bullets, it would mean that a second gunman's bullet would have had to have struck the president, the research team has concluded.

Despite the Warren Commission Report findings that Oswald acted alone, many continue to believe others were involved in the shooting or that it was part of a broader conspiracy which was then the subject of an official cover-up.''

[kasalt]

Yes, but its going to take a little more than that to convince me:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=WTVKSRNE5RIXJQFIQMFSFF4AVCBQ 0IV0?xml=/news/2007/05/13/woswald13.xml

[kasalt]

Did the Limousine driver shoot JFK?

For years people have been fooled by low resolution, inferior copies of the Zapruder film -- finding reflections or shadows that are much more clear in the better copies available of this historic film.

Check the following clips and photos to see what actually happens:

http://www.jfklancer.com/greer.html

[james777]

It's all fun to try to figure out what happened, but the fact remains that he was publicly MURDERED!!! All the side stories and conspiracies are just further fronts to keep us from asking the real questions to the JFK saga......

[irie_dave]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bNTeQ9ckmD8


Hey kasalt,

Bout 2 years ago I was up super late and caught the end of the most precise and factual doco about the assassination of JFK. I didn't know what it was called and I hunted 6 mths later I found it. Its called "The Men Who Killed JFK". Here's the link and its got 3 segments, the smoking gun, the love affair, and cant remember what the last one's called, but with in these 3 segments are 4 parts (all up 12 sections). This link is the first ep1 seg1 follow your nose for the rest enjoy. It'll blow your mind.
ngawaka

Thanks, this is a solid presentation in contrast to Cooper's shoddy piece (I'm a fan of Cooper's work but agree that he was wrong on this)

[thetonic]

is it possible that william cooper was set up.He was a disinformation agent by the cia to actually keep the attention on the driver .He also claims aliens will invade earth.The nwo last "card " after global warming ? to create a 1 world governement,.Ronald Reagen said that in his speech at the Un :eek:!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhUmCthFK0k


Then he was shot by law enforcement either or he has gone underground..

In his video he keeps claiming keep your eyes on the driver.. i think keep your eyes on Gov of Texas he seems to be shooting jfk at point blank range.

There Definately is a conspiracy concerning jfk death his head gets violenty shot backwards , and you can see the reaction to jfks wife in running toward the " shooter "(oswald);)

William Cooper is most likely not a CIA operative...As he blatantly calls out many that are still active in his book.. ON TOP OF THAT - he totally recants and apologizes for ever ensuating that aliens exist.. Because they most defin. don't in the sense of little green men working with are govt. BULLSHIT! and he figured this out later on after he wrote the book.. As far as the assination goes have you seen his final presentation where he uses 3 diff. Zapruder tapes the final one by a Japanese research team wiht very high quality visuals and there is deff something going on with the driver.. Ill see if ican find the link

[thetonic]

Heres his final video piece by Cooper all about the assassination ... Well worth watching..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-815761371376904961&q=william+cooper

:cool: U.F.O's however do exist - We made them! - Actually Nazis made them with the help of Tesla - America inherited the technology after the war

[7forever]

Bill Cooper was right about the driver but got involved in too many other things which assisted in him being attacked by other other ct's who wanted to keep truth from surfacing about the driver.

[thedefender]

I always respected William Cooper. However he did get many things wrong. Greer shooting Kennedy was one of them; although Greer was part of the plot. I will take the work and information of Cooper the same way I take Icke's work, Maxwell, Tsarions, and all the rest as pieces of the puzzle. Cooper had alot of it right.

[rodin]

Only one way I can see a trail like this

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv9/ContrarianThinker/JackiesHands.png?t=1285227652

Bill Cooper recanted the Aliens

He is on record as saying 'Its not the Jews'

Yet he published the entire protocols of Learned Elders of Zion in Behold a Pale Horse

Now Gore Vidal says Jackie is Jewish, and there is a long tradition of female Jewish agents and assassins from Esther thru Popaea (Nero's wife while Christians had horrendous persecution) thru the cliche 'honey trap' agents of the Jewish Communists of Eastern Europe.

There are many active today as wives and mistresses of famous or powerful people

Do you think a shooter would wait until Jackie was so close to JFK?

Especially when Onassis had already 'booked' Jackie

You have to wonder if her 'affair' with Robert was just another assignment

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...g-to-play.html

Zapruder who was in exactly the right place in Dealy Plaza was of course also Jewish.

Kennedy was taken out for opposing the Jewish run Federal Reserve (Rothschild scam) and the arming of Israel with Nukes

Antisemitic? me? No way. These people are Ashkenazi underworld. Dealy Plaza is Masonic ground and this had all the hallmarks of a ritual called 'The Killing of the King'

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1147589&postcount=8

[kasalt]

Only one way I can see a trail like this


That's not a bullet, it's a piece of shattered bone flying up from the front top of Kennedy's head. Bullets fired from high-powered rifles tend to have that kind of explosive force. Bullets fired from small handguns do not.

[rodin]

That's not a bullet, it's a piece of shattered bone flying up from the front top of Kennedy's head. Bullets fired from high-powered rifles tend to have that kind of explosive force. Bullets fired from small handguns do not.

Why only one predominant fragment? And if it is a piece of bone what direction was the force that caused it to move coming from?

Simple physics of the good old honest Newtonian type will answer this

[kasalt]

Why only one predominant fragment?

Why not? Bone fragments do tend to fly fast when hit by a 6.5 mm 160 gr (10 g). round-nosed fully copper-jacketed bullet fired from a high-powered 6.5 × 52 mm Italian Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle. So one prominent piece of bone flew up when the bullet exited his skull, big deal.

And if it is a piece of bone what direction was the force that caused it to move coming from?

The bullet came from his backside and went through his skull, taking bone fragments out with explosive force along with it.

Simple physics of the good old honest Newtonian type will answer this

Indeed it does...Indeed it does.

[dmessick]

The murder of JFK was clearly an occult ritual sacrifice. Now, I think everyone is forgetting what kind of people we are dealing with. They do not keep secrets from one another, they know exactly what's going on with each other at all times otherwise none of the things they want to accomplish would happen.

So from my point of view everyone inside or outside the car involved is guilty including Jackie O'.

This war is literally all of us verses all of them.

[rodin]

Why not? Bone fragments do tend to fly fast when hit by a 6.5 mm 160 gr (10 g). round-nosed fully copper-jacketed bullet fired from a high-powered 6.5 × 52 mm Italian Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle. So one prominent piece of bone flew up when the bullet exited his skull, big deal.



The bullet came from his backside and went through his skull, taking bone fragments out with explosive force along with it.



Indeed it does...Indeed it does.

The force behind that projectile must come from direcly behind the direction of travel.

That is NOT thru the back of his head

Are you saying the bullet made a right angled turn?

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv9/ContrarianThinker/th_JackiesHands.png?t=1285269891

[kasalt]

The force behind that projectile must come from direcly behind the direction of travel.

That is NOT thru the back of his head

Are you saying the bullet made a right angled turn?

What I'm saying is that a rifle bullet entered the back of Kennedy's skull and exited out of the right front of his head with explosive force. The blood that you see flying out of the front of his head came from the exit wound, not from the entry wound.

[7forever]

The mist appears before before 313 and the shot making it an obvious point of alteration.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkfakeredmistgif.gif
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[kasalt]

The mist appears before before 313 and the shot making it an obvious point of alteration.

Nope. A speeding bullet moves at a much faster rate than blood spray. By the time you start to see the first mist of blood, the bullet had already exited his head.

[7forever]

Show me one video of any adult person being shot in the head where there is this red blood mist. It's never happened and even if it did it can't appear before the shot.

[kasalt]

What makes you think blood appeared before the shot?

[7forever]

You think the shot came from the rear and I say it came from the front so that puts us at great odds but I'll explain it anyway.

It was this slow-motion clip that gave me these captures which show the mist forming almost entirely before 313 but starts a little after 312. So, 312 is clean and 313 has the full mist on the right front of Kennedy's face. The alteration was hidden between these 2 critical frames which proves they were trying to hide the front right entrance and give the illusion the right side of his head explodes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_hDakTz2I
Kennedy's head never moves one iota in the second and third captures which are before the shot. Notice his nose in relation to her white glove...nothing has changed except this red mist is forming before the shot.
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Kennedy's head never moves an inch in the second and third pics and the shot has NOT reached his head until the last pic, 313.

[kasalt]

You think the shot came from the rear and I say it came from the front

Blood spray follows the direction of the bullet. If the blood sprays out and to the front, then the bullet came from the back.

Kennedy's head never moves an inch in the second and third pics and the shot has NOT reached his head until the last pic, 313.

Recoil action takes time.

[rodin]

What I'm saying is that a rifle bullet entered the back of Kennedy's skull and exited out of the right front of his head with explosive force. The blood that you see flying out of the front of his head came from the exit wound, not from the entry wound.

So the bullet enters the back of his head and a projectile leaving what for all the world looks like a smoke trail is ejected at right angles to that?

This defies the law of conservation of momentum

[kasalt]

So the bullet enters the back of his head and a projectile leaving what for all the world looks like a smoke trail is ejected at right angles to that?

This defies the law of conservation of momentum

1) Look at the angle of Mrs. Kennedy's right arm:

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv9/ContrarianThinker/th_JackiesHands.png?t=1285269891

Notice how her right forearm is pointing in a downward direction. How do you figure she was able to hold a gun in her right hand with her forearm in that position and fire a shot that angled so far up?

2) That is not a "smoke trail". It is a piece of skull flying up. The "trail" was caused by motion blur.

3) Do you really think a bullet fired from a small-caliber handgun can do that much damage to someone's head?

[rodin]

1) Look at the angle of Mrs. Kennedy's right arm:

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv9/ContrarianThinker/th_JackiesHands.png?t=1285269891

Notice how her right forearm is pointing in a downward direction. How do you figure she was able to hold a gun in her right hand with her forearm in that position and fire a shot that angled so far up?

2) That is not a "smoke trail". It is a piece of skull flying up. The "trail" was caused by motion blur.

3) Do you really think a bullet fired from a small-caliber handgun can do that much damage to someone's head?

The 'trail' indicates the angle of entry of the bullet whatever it is

Simples

Only Jackies' hands are in perfect line with that trail

[triad]

Israeli rifle shoots around corners… Cops test Israeli Rifle that Shoots Around Corners. The Germans had this during WW2: the 9mm Schmeisser that allowed it to shoot around corners. So a custom handgun that shoots backward could be pointed down and shoot up to a Mind Kontrolled wife's president head. BANG!

[rodin]

Israeli rifle shoots around corners… Cops test Israeli Rifle that Shoots Around Corners. The Germans had this during WW2: the 9mm Schmeisser that allowed it to shoot around corners. So a custom handgun that shoots backward could be pointed down and shoot up to a Mind Kontrolled wife's president head. BANG!

I don't think she used a rifle

[kasalt]

I don't think she used a rifle

I don't think she used anything. This whole idea that Mrs. Kennedy shot JFK is nuttier than a fruitcake.

Here is frame 313 from the Zapruder film:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z313.jpg

Notice the woman to the left, who was taking a photograph. Notice also the police officer who was following alongside the limo. Both were in perfect positions to see Jackie fire a gun. How is it that no bystander ever came forward to say they saw this happen? Because it didn't happen, that's why!

[bob_jones]

I'm sure most of you here have seen William Cooper's videotaped lectures on Google or Youtube in which Cooper plays a poor quality video of the Kennedy assassination and claims that it was actually Kennedy's driver, secret service agent William Greer, who fired the fatal head shot that killed Kennedy. And in fact, in this poor quality video, it does indeed appear that the driver seems to raise a weapon over his right shoulder and aim it at Kennedy at the very instant he was shot. For a while, even I thought it might be true, although I had to wonder why it was that among the throng of spectators lined along the street, apparently no one saw it happen. After all, I had never heard this theory from anyone else before I heard of William Cooper.

Early on in his book, Behold a Pale Horse, Cooper writes:

"On the day that I learned that the Office of Naval Intelligence had participated in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and that it was the Secret Service agent driving the limo that had shot Kennedy in the head, I went AWOL with no intention of ever returning."

Cooper also writes in Behold that some of the information he was exposed to may well have been government disinformation. Well, the disinformation agents must have had a field day when Cooper went AWOL, because any clear examination of the Zapruder film will reveal that it is actually the forehead and hair of the secret service agent sitting in the passenger's seat next to Greer that we are seeing, and not the hand and gun of Greer. The following video gives ample analysis to prove this point (cautionary note, this video contains profanity and abundant rudeness on the part of the young turk who made it):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0S44jRRt60


This does not mean that I think that there wasn't any conspiracy to kill Kennedy. I believe that there was a conspiracy based in part on the fact that secret service agents were ordered to stand down from Kennedy's car just minutes before he was assassinated. Here is video proof of the stand-down:

JFK assassination: Secret Service Stand-down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8&mode=related&search=

If my attempt at YouTube TV is anything to go by the digital medium of the internet lends it's self well to editing by hackers.

I mean the video and sound track, it is all digital and all maluable.

It could be the original Bill Cooper cinema film is edited to make people think that the description is not supported by the film?

[7forever]

Blood spray follows the direction of the bullet. If the blood sprays out and to the front, then the bullet came from the back.



Recoil action takes time.

Even if there was such a thing as blood spray it can't be there before the shot and that's exactly what happens in zapruder.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkfakeredmistgif.gif
JFK Assassination Zapruder film headshot slowed down showing head direction movement on impact - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_hDakTz2I

[rodin]

I don't think she used anything. This whole idea that Mrs. Kennedy shot JFK is nuttier than a fruitcake.

Here is frame 313 from the Zapruder film:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z313.jpg

Notice the woman to the left, who was taking a photograph. Notice also the police officer who was following alongside the limo. Both were in perfect positions to see Jackie fire a gun. How is it that no bystander ever came forward to say they saw this happen? Because it didn't happen, that's why!

Actually I'm not sure they could see the gun at all

And if they could they were either in on it or quickly dead

[ladybird]

Actually I'm not sure they could see the gun at all

And if they could they were either in on it or quickly dead




Rodin, you seem to be the most experienced, well-read and convincing user here on this topic,
may I ask you for your opinion on the theories of Dr. Neville Thomas Jones, Ph.D.?

http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

Thanks.

.

[fitafita]

Israeli rifle shoots around corners… Cops test Israeli Rifle that Shoots Around Corners. The Germans had this during WW2: the 9mm Schmeisser that allowed it to shoot around corners. So a custom handgun that shoots backward could be pointed down and shoot up to a Mind Kontrolled wife's president head. BANG!


What are you talking about?

[7forever]

What are you talking about?

Triad's just another trollster.

[7forever]

It's hard to imagine a better comparable to the Kennedy forehead shot. You can see the bullet smoke when it strikes his face which is mirrored by the nix gif showing the bullet strike his right forehead consistent with my work placing the entrance over the right eye and logically exiting the right rear, supported by 40 witnesses including Greer and Jackie Kennedy.
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[sicknote]

Consistent with my work placing the entrance over the right eye and logically exiting the right rear.

BIG fail for Greer.

There is your exit. The bullet ejecting skywards from Jackie's position.

http://www.realityreviewed.com/z313%20adjusted.png

Stare at the top his head. No contradiction between the 2 images.

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfk__GIFSoupcom.gif

Guess what?. No right rear exit, from Greer's position. Nix Gif above PROVES it. The exit is fired skywards.

http://www.realityreviewed.com/z313%20adjusted.png

William Cooper, William Greer, DEBUNKED YA 7 & forever.

[7forever]

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You are an ignorant person posting about a subject you know nothing about.LOL
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[7forever]

The back of jfk's head opens up after 312 but before 313. The impact's in the right front, not the right side.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-exit-slow_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

[7forever]

Everyone can see, even the Kennedy Kooks that Greer's left arm is swiftly jerking over his right shoulder in unison with the headshot. CASE CLOSED, with no challenge from any lone nutter or ct'er like Groden and Marrs.
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