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ghostdogg

04-02-2009, 01:25 PM

when there's a courtinvitation , you have to respond to by going to court ... stating the person's name in capitals , lets us say MR CORNILIUS CHICKEN ! when in fact is meant to be for mr cornelius chicken as a person . i would try to make attention to the court that : MISTER CORNELIUS CHICKEN is a way of stating , by the writing in "capitivi diminutio maximus" that mr cornilius chicken is considered as slave or property and there could be sewing by mister cornelius chicken for beiing considered as so ... just wondering :D:D:D peace

yozhik

04-02-2009, 01:39 PM

when there's a courtinvitation , you have to respond to by going to court ...

No you don't.

Like any invitation, you can decline.
There is no invitation that you have an obligation to accept.

debs67gb

04-02-2009, 01:40 PM

yes yoshnik is correct you can decline the "invitation"

ghostdogg

04-02-2009, 01:53 PM

No you don't.

Like any invitation, you can decline.
There is no invitation that you have an obligation to accept.

"decline" meaning not aknowledging or agree that there is one or refusing ? all that english is so new to me ...
peace :D:D:D
o... didn't look very well ! i digg it

outelligent

04-02-2009, 05:27 PM

This is interesting, I was disscussing this in another post:
Then it seems to be a no win situation. If a court is private, and a summons is a offer and, I don't want a contract with the court they deal with it in your absence, (because you are in dishonor for not appearing). what if you show up and refuse to plea can they plea on your behalf?

Although its a invitation if you do not respond they can rule in your absence or issue a warrant for your arrest.
I'm not sure on the best way to responded to a summons, I am interested to know what happens when you don't sign anything, don't plea, don't enter the dock, don't responded to your name etc..

yozhik

04-02-2009, 06:05 PM

Although its a invitation if you do not respond they can rule in your absence or issue a warrant for your arrest.
So why not remain in honour and "decline" the invitation, thus staying out of their corporate office, built to impose their corporate by-laws on you?
Where is their proof of claim that the PERSON the invitation was addressed to is you, a living, breathing, sentient man?
you can not accept an invitation sent to JOHN DOE and appear as JOHN DOE, if you are john: of the doe family.

:)

I'm not sure on the best way to responded to a summons, I am interested to know what happens when you don't sign anything, don't plea, don't enter the dock, don't responded to your name etc..

Again, as explained in many of the Freeman threads, the goal is to NOT walk through the doors of the corporate building for the purpose of answering questions re: a corporate by-law.
The battle - in most instances - will hopefully already be won before it has even begun.

One other piece of advice I have found on my journey of discovery, which I found very helpful ...

Any mail that you receive that has been sent to JOHN DOE ... simply write across the front of the envelope; "incorrectly addressed" and send it back from whence it came.

Not "address unknown" or "return to sender" ... ensure it is "incorrectly addressed".

Well ... it is, isn't it?
How can JOHN DOE open it?
JOHN DOE is a fiction.
JOHN DOE is a dead entity.
JOHN DOE can not open an envelope.
... and given that you are not JOHN DOE, it would be unlawful for you to open its mail - it is not addressed to you.
However, if the sender meant for the letter to be received by john: of the doe family, then the letter has simply been "incorrectly addressed"
... and you would (obviously) happily accept it, and the contents within, if only it had been correctly addressed.

Have fun !

Peace and respect.

number_6

04-02-2009, 06:51 PM

Again, as explained in many of the Freeman threads, the goal is to NOT walk through the doors of the corporate building for the purpose of answering questions re: a corporate by-law.

So what do you do if the Judge issues a warrant for your arrest in your absence and the police come and get you?

yozhik

04-02-2009, 07:17 PM

So what do you do if the Judge issues a warrant for your arrest in your absence and the police come and get you?

As stated in this thread, you will only be charged if you have dishonoured.
You will only be arrested if you have a crime to answer to.

Remain in honour ... continue with negotiation with the other party ... and make sure that if you DO have to go to court, you appear as the prosecution - not the defendant. Get them to default to your notices.

... then, when arriving in the court, make sure you sit on the prosecutor's side of the court !! Then wait for the look on the attorney's face when he sees you sitting in "his" seat :D :D :D

... in fact, even if he has arrived before you, go and sit beside him. When the judge questions why you are sitting on that side or the attorney makes some theatrical motions re: you sitting on the wrong side, politely ask the judge to refer to the paperwork (which you will have correctly submitted prior to appearance) to witness that it was THEM that were in default, that you had filed notice correctly and default notice ... that you had remained in honour - they had dishonoured ... and as such, you were appearing as the prosecutor in honour awaiting judgement on them, the defenedant in dishonour. Then, in your best Good Will Hunting voice, whisper to the attorney, "how'd you like THEM apples ..."

:D

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number_6

04-02-2009, 07:39 PM

As stated in this thread, you will only be charged if you have dishonoured.
You will only be arrested if you have a crime to answer to.

Remain in honour ... continue with negotiation with the other party ... and make sure that if you DO have to go to court, you appear as the prosecution - not the defendant. Get them to default to your notices.

... then, when arriving in the court, make sure you sit on the prosecutor's side of the court !! Then wait for the look on the attorney's face when he sees you sitting in "his" seat :D :D :D

... in fact, even if he has arrived before you, go and sit beside him. When the judge questions why you are sitting on that side or the attorney makes some theatrical motions re: you sitting on the wrong side, politely ask the judge to refer to the paperwork (which you will have correctly submitted prior to appearance) to witness that it was THEM that were in default, that you had filed notice correctly and default notice ... that you had remained in honour - they had dishonoured ... and as such, you were appearing as the prosecutor in honour awaiting judgement on them, the defenedant in dishonour. Then, in your best Good Will Hunting voice, whisper to the attorney, "how'd you like THEM apples ..."

:D

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Obviously you have never had to appear in Court in the UK

yozhik

04-02-2009, 08:57 PM

Obviously you have never had to appear in Court in the UK

You're right - I have never had to appear in a UK court room.
Does that prove or disprove that which I have posted? :rolleyes:

Which part in particular do you find most unreasonable?

ghostdogg

04-02-2009, 09:04 PM

i must give a big THANKYOU to all of the responders ... So much to learn and with some help from any freemanwizards on this forum , we'll get there !!! i have seen the light ... Peace and applepie :p:p:p

number_6

04-02-2009, 10:25 PM

You're right - I have never had to appear in a UK court room.
Does that prove or disprove that which I have posted? :rolleyes:

Which part in particular do you find most unreasonable?

When you have had the experience as I have of being locked up in that tiny cell, you might then consider your earlier reply as pure fantasy.

number_6

04-02-2009, 10:34 PM

Which part in particular do you find most unreasonable?

I find it ridiculous that you say go and sit on the wrong side of Court. A bit difficult when you are brought up handcuffed to a big fuck-off policeman.

yozhik

05-02-2009, 01:07 AM

I find it ridiculous that you say go and sit on the wrong side of Court. A bit difficult when you are brought up handcuffed to a big fuck-off policeman.

Sorry - my "fantasy" was based on a summons as opposed to a hearing in handcuffs.

If I'm wrong ... I'm wrong.
It's about breaking the illusion.
Why do we always accept that we have to walk into court as the defendant?
If we have done nothing wrong, we have the correct paperwork, they have breached the rules and are in dishonour ... then I still stand by the statement that we are the plaintiff in honour and they are there to defend their dishonour.

If we automatically and instinctively assume the role of defendent and sit (as you say) in the "right seat" - the one they have preplanned for us - then we are submitting to their rules again.

... I may be wrong ... however, if I ever "experience" it, I'll be testing it.

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boots

05-02-2009, 05:47 AM

Although a summons is an invitation to appear. This does not mean that you dont show up.

Show up to defend your strawman. Dont notify the registrar that you are appearing.... ( if you are in hand cuffs then your fucked anyway, How did you get into this predicament in the first place??).... You must say IMO. I am here by special appearance, with a real interest in the matter, Your honour.

Stay on the side of the private (spiritual being) not the public (strawman)

Do not get trapped by any of the tricks, ie giving your date of birth, or testifying. Freeman dont testify. All ways ask questions, act dumb. It's a game. Break presumptions that you are a strawman. You are a child of "god" not the corporations.

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ghostdogg

05-02-2009, 08:45 AM

try not to look at the whole thing as i'm wrong or right ... just consider yourself as a man ... don't get triggerd by how the court in general sees you ... how they see you is their matter ... just stand and don't care about your image ... when you speak to 30 people , you will have 30 reputations ... focus on the matter ... winning and loosing is an illusion ... defend only that what you believe in ...
peace :):):)

boots

05-02-2009, 09:00 AM

number_6

05-02-2009, 09:29 AM

I remember many years ago when I was at Cambridge of a case that got into the local paper. A man was arrested for (I think) urinating in public but refused to speak to the arresting officer. More police arrived, he didn't resist, and was carted off to the cells. He continued his silence so they were not even aware of his name. He was brought up before the Court for refusing to assist and sat silent in the Court still refusing to speak. He was told if he didn't give the Court his name he would be in contempt, and he was still silent. He was then committed to prison for six months for contempt, and according to the paper during his six months in Bedford prison he never uttered a word to anybody. When he was released they still had no idea who he was. Although this left him without a criminal record, he had to endure six month imprisonment, if he had complied with the police he would have only had a caution.
Has anybody on this forum in the UK actually tried these freeman ideas when appearing in Court, not magistrates, but Crown Court, where you appear in front of a Judge, if so please post up exact details, Court name, date of hearing etc.

outelligent

05-02-2009, 05:27 PM

Has anybody on this forum in the UK actually tried these freeman ideas when appearing in Court, not magistrates, but Crown Court, where you appear in front of a Judge, if so please post up exact details, Court name, date of hearing etc.

Ignoring questions is rude why would you do that? Just ask your own questions back. Here is a interesting post about a woman who got arrested for breech of peace, she asked her own questions remain in honor got let off.
http://www.tpuc.org/nod/390
(magistrates court)

number_6

05-02-2009, 10:12 PM

Ignoring questions is rude why would you do that? Just ask your own questions back. Here is a interesting post about a woman who got arrested for breech of peace, she asked her own questions remain in honor got let off.
http://www.tpuc.org/nod/390
(magistrates court)

But that is a magistrates Court. Magistrates are not legally trained and are just members of the local community. I asked has anybody actually been in front of a Judge, in a Crown Court where the law is strictly applied.

somethinganonymous

05-02-2009, 11:50 PM

It's like breaking the programming.;)

We tend to get all scared when faced with a cop or court. Thats their game. To make you fearful and them superior, because they know the law, and you don't. Well it only takes a little bit of knowledge and comprehending your power, to stand up against their statues and acts.

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It is my understanding and experience that I know more of both the Law and the law, than the local police do...

Now, if you've commited a "crime" i.e. a breech of a statute, and you've gone thru all the necessary paperwork, you are still in honor, yet the police and the prosecution has already dishonoured your paperwork, and you've gotten the paper from the court already, and replied, and you never hear from them again...? How are you to interpret this... The reason I am asking, is because I am in this situation at current. My person hasn't been found guilty, nor has He been acquitted (sp?)... but I don't hear anything from the police or court anymore... no more correspondence, no more paperworl, no nothing, and it's been months... Can I now sue the police for being in dishonour, and claim my fee schedule? If so, how do I go about doing this? Thanks

yozhik

06-02-2009, 12:55 AM

It is my understanding and experience that I know more of both the Law and the law, than the local police do...

Now, if you've commited a "crime" i.e. a breech of a statute, and you've gone thru all the necessary paperwork, you are still in honor, yet the police and the prosecution has already dishonoured your paperwork, and you've gotten the paper from the court already, and replied, and you never hear from them again...? How are you to interpret this... The reason I am asking, is because I am in this situation at current. My person hasn't been found guilty, nor has He been acquitted (sp?)... but I don't hear anything from the police or court anymore... no more correspondence, no more paperworl, no nothing, and it's been months... Can I now sue the police for being in dishonour, and claim my fee schedule? If so, how do I go about doing this? Thanks

I do not have knowledge; let me state that up front :)

Why not send them a bill?
If your fee schedule is a claim based on fact of estoppal by acquiescence, then the bill will be valid.

Send it and if it remains unpaid after the specified number of days (14 is adequate), then serve notice of warning of late payment - again with time to satisfy the debt. If this still goes ignored, then serve default notice and proceed with court papers. :)

Your fee schedule is fact.
Your bill is valid.
Your notice is valid.
Your notice of overdue payment is valid.
Your notice of default is valid.
The police are in dishonour and default of payment.

As stated - I do not have knowledge, but the logical step to me would be to treat it as a debt that is owed, which a bill needs to be sent for and then actioned accordingly.

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number_6

06-02-2009, 10:42 AM

somethinganonymous

06-02-2009, 02:44 PM

Just because you have heard nothing does not mean that they have closed the matter. The paperwork you say you received from the Court, did it give a date for a court appearance, and if so how long ago did that pass?

no, it just stated a time, as in 9.30PM, but no date:) Well, I'm still waiting...

somethinganonymous

06-02-2009, 02:44 PM

I do not have knowledge; let me state that up front :)

Why not send them a bill?
If your fee schedule is a claim based on fact of estoppal by acquiescence, then the bill will be valid.

Send it and if it remains unpaid after the specified number of days (14 is adequate), then serve notice of warning of late payment - again with time to satisfy the debt. If this still goes ignored, then serve default notice and proceed with court papers. :)

Your fee schedule is fact.
Your bill is valid.
Your notice is valid.
Your notice of overdue payment is valid.
Your notice of default is valid.
The police are in dishonour and default of payment.

As stated - I do not have knowledge, but the logical step to me would be to treat it as a debt that is owed, which a bill needs to be sent for and then actioned accordingly.

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I have a problem though, I do not know the names of the officers to send the bill to. The superintendant (is it?) of the police here refuses to give out their NAMES... Any idea how to proceed?

number_6

06-02-2009, 07:28 PM

no, it just stated a time, as in 9.30PM, but no date:) Well, I'm still waiting...

Don't you mean 9.30 am? I assume this is in the UK? I would be very interested to see a Court Summons that shows no date for the hearing. Could you post it up, washed of anything that identifies you?

somethinganonymous

06-02-2009, 08:25 PM

Don't you mean 9.30 am? I assume this is in the UK? I would be very interested to see a Court Summons that shows no date for the hearing. Could you post it up, washed of anything that identifies you?

yeah am, pm, 10.30, 9.30, whatever... it was just an example... can't remember the time on the paper... It was a summons for a pre-trial negotiation between the injured part and the defendant... The time for the hearing was set, yet it didn't specify a date, lol...

i could post it up here, but it isn't in English, so I think it's value would be somewhat miniscure.

number_6

06-02-2009, 09:22 PM

yeah am, pm, 10.30, 9.30, whatever... it was just an example... can't remember the time on the paper... It was a summons for a pre-trial negotiation between the injured part and the defendant... The time for the hearing was set, yet it didn't specify a date, lol...

i could post it up here, but it isn't in English, so I think it's value would be somewhat miniscure.

So this was a civil case, as opposed to a criminal case?