I think all the reptilian stuff is bollocks

[space lizard]

my views on all of this:

I fall somewhere short of Alex Jones apocalyptic views and hyper sensational texan ranting and almost evangelistic style of panic delivery. I feel he's alienating a lot of people with his poke in the eye approach. However I do appreciate a lot of it is necessary and he's speaking to people who are used to being shouted at. - Just look at any American talk show / interview etc. They love to interrupt and talk over each other.

Anyway, onto David Icke......

I consider myself fairly open minded. David has some weird theories that I'm happy to consider quite possible that other people would scoff at. i.e. - politicians being child killers / the rich and powerful being members of occult sects / the royal families of europe being inbred sadists / etc.

I also understand that when an organization becomes global, it's role is often to perpetuate through manipulation and corruption the very problem that they are supposed to be fixing, i.e. hunger / arms dealing / poverty / disease / etc.

As far as history goes, I know that hitler was into the occult / the british empire is an extension of Babylon thru egypt / rome / etc.

I'm also quite convinced that reality is an illusion. We are each a subjective viewpoint of this universe observing itself. Our universe is one of many. Time and space are constructs of the collective mind. And through interconnectedness everything is one...

BUT

Shapeshifting / 12 foot lizards / etc.
That's where I'm drawing the line.

I've read up on it, thought about it, tried to get my head around it. But I don't go along with it. I'll probably be labeled a disinformer by the nutters in here such as Hi5lordship and ReptileSlayer etc. Probably be castigate by that female moderator who's avatar is of a spooky chic in a purple hooded cape. But that is no consequence to me.

When the queen mum died I wore my trousers at half mast , I didn't think of her shifting species and eating a rat sambo.

[twistedconcept]

I also don't believe in the reptilians. I believe they're simply psychopaths. Humans CAN be this evil.

[space lizard]

I also don't believe in the reptilians. I believe they're simply psychopaths. Humans CAN be this evil.

Very Well Said.

[meksar]

The Devil's greatest trick was to convince people he did not exist.The reptilians do exist and when it comes out and it will, Icke and many others will simply say i told you so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksPtnQmq2dc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfIts4EJtpY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z6NWncM5ys&feature=related

[space lizard]

I also just want to make a point about the word BELIEVE.

I think too much importance is given to the word BELIEVE.

I don't BELIEVE - I THINK.

When I say "I think this or that", I'm not necessarily committing my BELIEFS to my thought process. When I say "I think this or that". All I'm stating is "I have thought about something and based on the current information I have included in my process, my thoughts lead me to conclude the following".

Just because I currently think this or that, it does not permanently seize my opinion beyond the arrival of new information.

When people BELIEVE things they fliter out any information that contradicts their version of it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that since discovering the ability to think critically I no no longer BELIEVE anything.

BELIEVE NOTHING / THINK EVERYTHING.

[hengist]

There is NO proof for any this reptillian stuff, so why does Icke persue it so enthusiastically? All it does is to distract from the real problem, of which there is MOUNTAINS of proof......organized jewry!
Maybe, Davy really IS nuts.

[novymir]

"believe", "think", "proof"????
How bout "KNOW",,,, what IS??? Or does FEAR of the unknown or peer-consequences("he's nuts") restrain you??

Scroll down and read Jonathan/adampants2007's post here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread328667/pg24

"organized jewry", the "real" problem", hahaha! you serve your masters well. All the "illuminati" are mind-controlled slaves of other-dimensional beings, that are slaves of the dark, anti-Love cancer consciousness.

[orbandsceptre27]

Modern science accepts we perceive 10% of the known world through our five senses. 90% of what we know exists today, we cannot physically sense.

So of what we know exists and of what we haven`t already discovered, how much of reality do we actually perceive? - A very tiny amount.

We take this very tiny amount of what we perceive and call it reality. But here`s the important point - Because we`re human, the vast majority of us perceive the same "reality" (as we`re generally hooked up the same way).

Try not to be arrogant in your thinking, that what you perceive is all there is. What you call "shapeshifting" is indeed real. Whether you believe in it or not is irrelevant my friend.

[measle_weasel]

"believe", "think", "proof"????
How bout "KNOW",,,, what IS??? Or does FEAR of the unknown or peer-consequences("he's nuts") restrain you??

Scroll down and read Jonathan/adampants2007's post here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread328667/pg24

"organized jewry", the "real" problem", hahaha! you serve your masters well. All the "illuminati" are mind-controlled slaves of other-dimensional beings, that are slaves of the dark, anti-Love cancer consciousness.

Thought Jonathan, the guy who talks in the fourth link in my sig, was named adampants2008?

Thats his handle in my sig link, not adampants2007

[novymir]

Thought Jonathan, the guy who talks in the fourth link in my sig, was named adampants2008?

Thats his handle in my sig link, not adampants2007

1st he was 2007. He expanded so he could provide more playlists. He took his earlier stuff down, he said to revise it more correctly. He's been gone awhile, taking a break according to the site, but then again, I don't know that to be true.
His earlier stuff can still be found elsewhere.

[measle_weasel]

And this 2007 version seems to act like a prick in his posts. I didnt get that impression from 2008 when listening to his audio series.

[knightbk]

my views on all of this:

I fall somewhere short of Alex Jones apocalyptic views and hyper sensational texan ranting and almost evangelistic style of panic delivery. I feel he's alienating a lot of people with his poke in the eye approach. However I do appreciate a lot of it is necessary and he's speaking to people who are used to being shouted at. - Just look at any American talk show / interview etc. They love to interrupt and talk over each other.

Anyway, onto David Icke......

I consider myself fairly open minded. David has some weird theories that I'm happy to consider quite possible that other people would scoff at. i.e. - politicians being child killers / the rich and powerful being members of occult sects / the royal families of europe being inbred sadists / etc.

I also understand that when an organization becomes global, it's role is often to perpetuate through manipulation and corruption the very problem that they are supposed to be fixing, i.e. hunger / arms dealing / poverty / disease / etc.

As far as history goes, I know that hitler was into the occult / the british empire is an extension of Babylon thru egypt / rome / etc.

I'm also quite convinced that reality is an illusion. We are each a subjective viewpoint of this universe observing itself. Our universe is one of many. Time and space are constructs of the collective mind. And through interconnectedness everything is one...

BUT

Shapeshifting / 12 foot lizards / etc.
That's where I'm drawing the line.

I've read up on it, thought about it, tried to get my head around it. But I don't go along with it. I'll probably be labeled a disinformer by the nutters in here such as Hi5lordship and ReptileSlayer etc. Probably be castigate by that female moderator who's avatar is of a spooky chic in a purple hooded cape. But that is no consequence to me.

When the queen mum died I wore my trousers at half mast , I didn't think of her shifting species and eating a rat sambo.


I share your view on Alex Jones. He is a nut case who takes issues and blows them out of proportion, sort of like Rush Limbaugh and other entertainers.

If we are headed for a Recession, he turns it into a Depression.
If we are headed for a Depression, he turns it into the end of the world.

It is a measure by how disaffected and uninspired people are today that they eat all this shit up without even a hint of speculation.



As for Snake Men, David Icke is smoking pot.

[space lizard]

Try not to be arrogant in your thinking, that what you perceive is all there is.

OK,

POINT 1
I have stated that I understand reality is and illusion and given my thoughts on interconnectedness / oneness / and each of us being separate points of a universe observing itself subjectively. A universe that is one of many.

I fail to see how I can be accused of limiting my thinking to things I can perceive being all there is.


What you call "shapeshifting" is indeed real. Whether you believe in it or not is irrelevant my friend.

POINT 2
I reinstate, I don't BELIEVE or DISBELIEVE, I THINK.

I have thought about shapeshifting and my conclusion is that it's bollocks. I'm not claiming my conclusion is relevant. I'm simple putting my conclusion up here. Despite what you make say, I am entitled to make my own mind up, and based on all the information I can get my hands on, I think public figures shapeshifting through dimensions is highly unlikely and I would appreciate if David Icke's focus shapeshifted onto the meat and potatoes real world stuff so that totally conditioned people can get their heads around the new world order then we can get this information across and society can overthrow the leaches and we can all move on.

I'm more that happy to read anything David Icke says, but I like to engage my thoughts / intuition. I've done that with the reptilian stuff and quite simple I'm not going with it.

What anyone else thinks is up to them. I'm not trying to sway anyone away from it. Just stating my opinion.

[novymir]

And this 2007 version seems to act like a prick in his posts. I didnt get that impression from 2008 when listening to his audio series.

No, actually, he's not a prick. He's just telling it like it is. Someone comes up and starts talking about "reality" as if what Jonathan was talking about was fantasy and not credible*.
I know he is credible from experience. Not as deep as his, but deep enough. Fear is the only thing that has held me back, and it's diminishing.


*key word: passive-aggressive

[seanx]

Spacelizard wrote:

Shapeshifting / 12 foot lizards / etc.
That's where I'm drawing the line.

In my opinion, you're getting hung up on 'form'

'Form' can take infinite shapes.

Look at insects on this earth.

It is estimated that there are a million
different types or 'forms' of insects alive on planet earth.

Now if there are infinite dimensions co-existing on the dimsension
we are now living on....God's knows what 'forms' exist on all these
infinite dimensions.

Personally, I don't think this reptitle thing is a big deal.

If it does exist ( I have an open mind on it) it only means that
this frequency of consciousness is taking this 'form' ..a
reptilian 'form' to 'express' itself at this moment in time.

In a century or a million years from now... it may take a completly
different 'form'.

As we will.

[croatiancoffee]

Dinosaurs ruled the earth. Or so the evidence keeps saying.

[novymir]

OK,

POINT 1
I have stated that I understand reality is and illusion and given my thoughts on interconnectedness / oneness / and each of us being separate points of a universe observing itself subjectively. A universe that is one of many.

I fail to see how I can be accused of limiting my thinking to things I can perceive being all there is.




POINT 2
I reinstate, I don't BELIEVE or DISBELIEVE, I THINK.

I have thought about shapeshifting and my conclusion is that it's bollocks. I'm not claiming my conclusion is relevant. I'm simple putting my conclusion up here. Despite what you make say, I am entitled to make my own mind up, and based on all the information I can get my hands on, I think public figures shapeshifting through dimensions is highly unlikely and I would appreciate if David Icke's focus shapeshifted onto the meat and potatoes real world stuff so that totally conditioned people can get their heads around the new world order then we can get this information across and society can overthrow the leaches and we can all move on.

I'm more that happy to read anything David Icke says, but I like to engage my thoughts / intuition. I've done that with the reptilian stuff and quite simple I'm not going with it.

What anyone else thinks is up to them. I'm not trying to sway anyone away from it. Just stating my opinion.

Read the link I provided earlier(and research the author). That is, if you are open to otherwise uncommon knowledge.
This issue is paramount. All springs from it into this plane.

[measle_weasel]

No, actually, he's not a prick. He's just telling it like it is. Someone comes up and starts talking about "reality" as if what Jonathan was talking about was fantasy and not credible.
I know he is credible from experience. Not as deep as his, but deep enough.

The information he provides is not really the point.

This:

Aww poor little guy. Actually, that was dumbed down and off the top of my head. Enjoy your fantasy, okay? Give me a huge Baaaaaaa...you know, like the sheep? Come on, you know you want to. Just one?

Makes him seem like a prick, regardless of how credible he really is. Extremely condescending.

[ownedtbh]

i believe in the reptilians or some kind of entities controlling The Powers That Be. come on they even admit it themselves they worship things above them. you think they do this for fun? who the are they worshiping satan? LOL

all around us are serpent, reptilian like symbols even in the bible satan was the enemy of man and satan is also a reptilian like creature

and i cant see any human wanting to wipe out 90% of his fellow man no matter how powerful or crazy they are. they basically control the world now they have all the power and everything they would ever need an want why would they want to change it? because there masters told them to. there masters want to control the human race for there benefit. there is definitely something above them controling things it might not be reptillians but there sure is something.

[meksar]

I feel that this is the area of the agenda that people do not take seriously enough,as was stated before we can only see matter that reflects light which is only 10% of the matter that exists.Then you research and understand the ancient histories and knowledge and compare it with the modern religions are there are fundamental connections with this whole serpent presence.

It's a fact that these people are all connected by these bloodlines which started in Babylon and moved into Egypt, then Rome and Athens and then into Britain and the rest of Europe,its continues into America and has now spread across the world.You have to look at all the satanism and symbolism to understand this stuff goes very deep,they do not have empathy or remorse for the people they are slaughtering and mercilessly exploiting across this planet.These so called global elite have participated in rituals and cases of horrific abuse against children and in many cases they abuse and raise their children without compassion so that can replace them when their time is up.

All of the secret societies are offshoots of the brotherhood of the snake from Babylon.If you understand the complexity of this whole agenda it is clear that this is a non-human conscience behind it and because we have had to live in a society and world where the few control the masses we cannot see through the divide and conquer and order out of chaos agenda which plays out everyday.

[orbandsceptre27]

OK,

POINT 1
I have stated that I understand reality is and illusion

You have stated a simple contradiction here - An illusion may exist, but it is not real. For example, hell may exist for one individual and not for another. It may not be real yet it exists!

Reality is what "is," it is simple truth. An illusion is a lie, not real.

and given my thoughts on interconnectedness / oneness / and each of us being separate points of a universe observing itself subjectively. A universe that is one of many.

Good, as you said these are thoughts you have picked up from some book, or maybe even created from self, but nothing more. They are not direct experience/ "isness". They are frozen, broken, lifeless thoughtforms which you have attached your-self to.


POINT 2
I reinstate, I don't BELIEVE or DISBELIEVE, I THINK.

You "are" (I am) - I don`t care for your thoughts my friend. They`re static and meaningless.

I have thought about shapeshifting and my conclusion is that it's bollocks.

Good for you.

I'm not claiming my conclusion is relevant. I'm simple putting my conclusion up here.

I know.

Despite what you make say, I am entitled to make my own mind up,

Of course - Namaste :)

[novymir]

The information he provides is not really the point.

This:



Makes him seem like a prick, regardless of how credible he really is. Extremely condescending.

Actually, the information he provides is the point. Yes, it looks "not nice", or extremely not nice, are you perfect, do you never have consescending thoughts or words??? Do you not see the condesending attitude that prompted his reply? Exactly, what kind of damage did he do there?? On an internet forum???????
If you want to blow him off because of that go ahead, but it seems sanctimonious to me for someone to do so.

And also, I think he self-examined himself and saw his error in that regard and I think it was addressed in the link in your sig. Its also unlikely you will grasp the full meaning of it without knowing about his earlier stuff.

[meksar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLhPXbhSe8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyN1O-GwALI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4CpnlopO_E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waB3K_DbwW4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6E42FZqe0Q&feature=related

[space lizard]

orbandsceptre27, - you are way to pedantic for me to continue this discussion

[ipopacific]

hey original poster your 100 percent correct you sound intelligent and you have thought your answer through. however whoever is in control they are evil thats all that matters! race is irrelivent but is it really that hard to believe there could be alien form which can express its form differently from wat we do ?

[novymir]

orbandsceptre27, - you are way to pedantic for me to continue this discussion

"Aware" would be the proper descriptor, not "pedantic".

[orbandsceptre27]

orbandsceptre27, - you are way to pedantic for me to continue this discussion

Space lizard, you literally don`t know what you`re talking about, but unfortunately you think you do. This is quite evident.

Your opening sentence is a massive contradiction and the majority of what you`ve said is flowery rubbish.

I know you think you`re intelligent and that`s the problem, you don`t know it.

Have a good one.

[measle_weasel]

Actually, the information he provides is the point. Yes, it looks "not nice", or extremely not nice, are you perfect, do you never have consescending thoughts or words???

How I post is irrelevant, as my post is not in question.

Do you not see the condesending attitude that prompted his reply?

Yes, I read it. I dont believe condenscension should be met with more and greater condescension. This is the point, not his material.

Exactly, what kind of damage did he do there?? On an internet forum??????? If you want to blow him off because of that go ahead, but it seems sanctimonious to me for someone to do so.

Youre jumping to conclusions that were never even hinted at. If I didnt like his material, I wouldnt have some of that material in my sig.

And also, I think he self-examined himself and saw his error in that regard and I think it was addressed in the link in your sig. Its also unlikely you will grasp the full meaning of it without knowing about his earlier stuff.

I understood it quite well, though thank you for your concern.

[size_of_light]

Why is there such an obsession with having a yes or no opinion on this?

Do I think there are shapeshifting entities disguising themselves as humans?

No idea.

I've read the historical and modern day accounts and I'm familiar with the mythology and the theoretical science that supports the potential existence of such beings, and anyone else who's done that too, has got to concede that it's possible they're real (however unlikely you think that is) and by claiming otherwise methinks you're surrendering your right to be taken seriously in any subsequent discussion on the issue.

I don't understand why this tired and simply resolved debate keeps bouncing back and forth forever.

[novymir]

How I post is irrelevant, as my post is not in question.



Yes, I read it. I dont believe condenscension should be met with more and greater condescension. This is the point, not his material.



Youre jumping to conclusions that were never even hinted at. If I didnt like his material, I wouldnt have some of that material in my sig.



I understood it quite well, though thank you for your concern.

Oaky-dokey... But,,, I don't "jump to conclusions". Question marks and the words "if" and "seems" do not a conclusion make.

[space lizard]

Space lizard, you literally don`t know what you`re talking about, but unfortunately you think you do. This is quite evident. Your opening sentence is a massive contradiction and the majority of what you`ve said is flowery rubbish. I know you think you`re intelligent and that`s the problem, you don`t know it. Have a good one.

Apparently "I don't know but I think I do. it's quite evident. I'm not intelligent but I think I am, and it's the problem but I don't know it".

More nonsense.

[lordreptoid]

Looks like your turn to be attacked this evening measle_weasel. Good comments btw. :)

Stay strong and true.

[orbandsceptre27]

Apparently "I don't know but I think I do. it's quite evident. I'm not intelligent but I think I am, and it's the problem but I don't know it".

More nonsense.

One question - how do you know anything?

[space lizard]

Let me guess what your getting at....

"I went to school which had it's curriculum set by the system, which is run by the illuminati, which like the church has set to suppress the truth about the true history of the human race. I've also had the parameters of my ability to imagine what is possible set by a society that ridicules anything that falls outside the understanding of a reality that is limited to things they can perceive through their limited 5 senses. I like many of those ridiculed here as sheep have allowed my reality to be blinkered through preset controls devised by an alien race who wish to continue the suppression through controlling our system of understanding the true nature of reality".

Is that something along the lines of what you are getting at?

[orbandsceptre27]

^ No, don`t be guessing and assuming (and avoiding the question) - How do you know anything?

[fuck_the_nwo]

You must admit m8 that there is something very sinister going on I am not saying that I believe all of what I hear and read but there is something not right we are def being lied to on a mass scale.

We all gota wake up and show love to our peoples ( from all places earth and beyond) it seems the culture of hate and evil is consuming us we have to step out of that and get tuned up to the good forces.


Beaming love all around !!

[space lizard]

^ No, don`t be guessing and assuming (and avoiding the question) - How do you know anything?

Well if you insist on falling down this hole..... there is not much that is "known" I haven't claimed to know anything.

What I'm saying here is "I have thought long and hard, digested the information supplied by David Icke and a few others here, and I have concluded that the reptilian stuff is not something I'm going with".

Also, just so you know. If you look at all the ancient cultures of this planet, there were many Gods in animal form. Birds / Fish / Cows / Insects / etc. All worshiped, revered, sculptured and painted by ancient man. This is one of the many reason I don't go with the shapeshifting reptilian stuff.

I'm quite happy to ingest the information about an alien race infusing their dna with primitive man to create human beings. I do believe that we have been "upgraded" in some way. I also believe the watchers that did this are still here beyond our visible spectrum and these are the focal point of many occult societies. However, I don't adhere to the view point that the queen mother etc. shapeshift into 12 ft lizards in the comforts and privacy of their own homes.

[boneduster]

the devil's greatest trick was to convince people he did not exist.the reptilians do exist and when it comes out and it will, icke and many others will simply say i told you so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksptnqmq2dc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfits4ejtpy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z6nwncm5ys&feature=related

reptilians rule humans = epic fail muhahahahahahaha

[measle_weasel]

Looks like your turn to be attacked this evening measle_weasel. Good comments btw. :)

Stay strong and true.

Thanks!

Happens to me whenever I use logic, and/or ask for evidence that supports someones claim/belief. :)

[lordreptoid]

Happens to me whenever I use logic, and/or ask for evidence that supports someones claim/belief.

MW, I get it from BOTH sides all the time. No worries. :)

[orbandsceptre27]

Well if you insist on falling down this hole.....

...the hole in your head? :)

there is not much that is "known" I haven't claimed to know anything.

You`re lying - and you`re next statement shows this clearly -

What I'm saying here is "I have thought long and hard, digested the information supplied by David Icke and a few others here, and I have concluded that the reptilian stuff is not something I'm going with".

Also, just so you know. If you look at all the ancient cultures of this planet, there were many Gods in animal form. Birds / Fish / Cows / Insects / etc. All worshiped, revered, sculptured and painted by ancient man. This is one of the many reason I don't go with the shapeshifting reptilian stuff.

Ok.

I'm quite happy to ingest the information about an alien race infusing their dna with primitive man to create human beings. I do believe that we have been "upgraded" in some way. I also believe the watchers that did this are still here beyond our visible spectrum and these are the focal point of many occult societies. However, I don't adhere to the view point that the queen mother etc. shapeshift into 12 ft lizards in the comforts and privacy of their own homes.

More beliefs from the thinker - On the first page of the thread you said, "I don`t believe - I think!" Hmm.... I think you`re full of shit my friend!

Lastly I know nothing of the Queen Mother shape-shifting into a 12 foot lizard in the comfort of her own home, or in anyone elses for that matter.

[deca]

I am not in the rep stuff but at least it has stopped MI5 bumping DI off(suicide) or sticking kiddy porn on his pc and calling him a pedo :D

[space lizard]

More beliefs from the thinker - On the first page of the thread you said, "I don`t believe - I think!" Hmm.... I think you`re full of shit my friend!

No end in sight is there?

Lastly I know nothing of the Queen Mother shape-shifting into a 12 foot lizard in the comfort of her own home, or in anyone elses for that matter.

Try reading one or two of David Icke's books. That gets a few mentions.

--------------------

Lets look at this for a minute: This isn't about me.
This isn't about reptilians. This isn't about David Icke.

For some reason you need to vindicate yourself in the virtual world.
And that is that why you are here seeking pointless arguments.

Maybe the closest you've ever been to a fist fight is
deleting someone's profile from your bebo / myspace / facebook page?

You've fired loads of insults my way because I think David Icke is wrong about something that is obviously close to your little heart. If it makes you feel better then I'm happy for you to tell yourself you have scored some kind of small victory. I'm having nothing more to do with talking to you for the simple reason that I can't tell the following. You will never stop. You are the kind of person who is prepared to slag off someone you hope you will never meet for eternity. Safe behind the anonymity of a pixie avatar and a firewall.

Not to worry. I'm sure you'll find someone else with nothing better to do
than disagree for days on end. Good luck with your life.

[lordreptoid]

*Stops to look at someone's photo.... "Is that Fleetwood Mac from my youth I see? Naw, it can't be... I'd remember that photo..." Goes back to work elsewhere, now craving some olf 70's classics he's not heard in YEARS*

[takhisis]

There is NO proof for any this reptillian stuff, so why does Icke persue it so enthusiastically? All it does is to distract from the real problem, of which there is MOUNTAINS of proof......organized jewry!
Maybe, Davy really IS nuts.

IN anicent times before america was discovered there was no proof to those people that the earth was round, one person beleved this theory that the world was round and proved it to the masses

[orbandsceptre27]

No end in sight is there?

I don`t know, is there?

Try reading one or two of David Icke's books. That gets a few mentions.

I have, and I wouldn`t rule anything out.

For some reason you need to vindicate yourself in the virtual world.
And that is that why you are here seeking pointless arguments.

This is exactly what you are doing.

Maybe the closest you've ever been to a fist fight is
deleting someone's profile from your bebo / myspace / facebook page?

Haha, so you`re a bit of a tough man? :D Well to be honest, you remind me of the type of guy who`d bring a knife to a gunfight lol.

You've fired loads of insults my way because I think David Icke is wrong about something that is obviously close to your little heart.

I haven`t insulted you even once, we`re all big boys now I hope. And I couldn`t care less what David Icke, you or the Queen Mother thought about shapeshifting. It`s your know it all mentality that puzzles me.

If it makes you feel better then I'm happy for you to tell yourself you have scored some kind of small victory.

I`m only here to highlight that maybe there is truth to the shapeshifting phenomenon. Believe me, talking to you doesn`t make me sad or happy.

I'm having nothing more to do with talking to you

Great, whatever - I won`t have to respond.

You are the kind of person who is prepared to slag off someone you hope you will never meet for eternity.

Mate I couldn`t care less if I met you tomorrow. Water off a ducks back, we`re only having a chat.

Safe behind the anonymity of a pixie avatar and a firewall.

I know.... it`s great isn`t it - protecting me from the tough talking hard man down the line. :D

Good luck with your life.

Good luck to you too mate. Life is too short, Namaste.

[timeisnow]

Don't get me wrong; this is very important! Don't jump to conclusions. - It can lead to the conclusion of all of our lives.

- When I first heard of aliens, I thought they were bull, but as we can see, (do some research... It's the least one can do as a sentient being, especially during these times) they are clearly real, & I would be more than surprised if someone could prove to anyone that we are alone in this galaxy alone, with billions of stars...

I was TOTALLY judged by my use of the word 'believe' on CriticalUnity.org (http://criticalunity.org/) when I had the quote " If the truth can be told as to be understood, it will be believed" and I understand, but when one does THINK, one comes across truth. - If that truth is verified definitely, it is then believed by the individual or group. I have not let it empower me. For example, when a co-worker says 'I'm going to chew gum, and it has ASPARTAME in it! - I simply now reply; 'Okay??? Well, it's your brain mate... you should investigate; Search for ' Sweet misery, a poisoned world (http://criticalunity.org/videos.html?task=videodirectlink&id=31)'

Forget the semantics!

In this case, anyone who comes out & says 'I think': Should be analyzed to find out if what they are saying is true or not.

---> Great reading: A section right here on this site is a great place to start; http://www.davidicke.com/content/category/6/27/83/
Mainly;
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/4114/83/ - Reptilian Experiences
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/2272/83/ - The Underground Empire

Also: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2970930/David-Icke-Reptilian-Research-Archives

and if you find 'the biggest secret' PDF floating around on the net, the minute you start to read it, you will not stop until you are tired of staring at the screen and decide to buy the book, because the accounts & records of our ancestrial ancient civilizations are not the opinion of anyone; They are an experience of events that were seen as common knowledge; what we need NOW!

- I'm not sure if David Icke went over the following, but it is very related.
Scientists have confirmed (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.agoracosmopolitan.com%2Fhome% 2FFrontpage%2F2007%2F01%2F26%2F01340.html&ei=BHqKSfeDD9W5twfZsoShBw&usg=AFQjCNGY4BTpX8FL67Dbiob00d9iH8erQw&sig2=ESRHvOWqZbNyjZPouxtY4A) that we Humans have a highly differing genetic structure compared to the rest of the life on our Planet. In the documentary ' Ring Of Power: Part 1 of 2 - 143min (http://criticalunity.org/videos.html?task=videodirectlink&id=62)', [Part2] (http://criticalunity.org/videos.html?task=videodirectlink&id=63) it is descibed in detail.

I am not asking to be believed , I am seeking to simpy point humanity in the right direction! - Please join my group in the link in my signature, & we can work together on getting the truth out, meaning; Food additives, the federal reserve, etc... - I am not touching the Reptilian issue, for the very reason of ridicule; Yet it is not fear of ridicule... - It is an intelligent way to maintain a neccessary credibility. - I will break the information out in a clever manner, when I make a film.

I also just want to make a point about the word BELIEVE.

I think too much importance is given to the word BELIEVE.

I don't BELIEVE - I THINK.

When I say "I think this or that", I'm not necessarily committing my BELIEFS to my thought process. When I say "I think this or that". All I'm stating is "I have thought about something and based on the current information I have included in my process, my thoughts lead me to conclude the following".

Just because I currently think this or that, it does not permanently seize my opinion beyond the arrival of new information.

When people BELIEVE things they fliter out any information that contradicts their version of it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that since discovering the ability to think critically I no no longer BELIEVE anything.

BELIEVE NOTHING / THINK EVERYTHING.

[lordreptoid]

I am not touching the Reptilian issue, for the very reason of ridicule; Yet it is not fear of ridicule... - It is an intelligent way to maintain a neccessary credibility. - I will break the information out in a clever manner, when I make a film.

Good on ya, mate. :) Oh, they'll still ridicule you anyway, but I for one am looking forward to such research being presented. You got a crew you trust from some company all ready to fnd this thing and so forth? I repect well produced documentaries - watch them all the time (no time for games of any variety). Documentaries are the best way to get the word out, especially to the higher ups who also watch them and learn from others who do the hard work making them. If you want anything from me as a consultant with leads for you to study and interview, let me know privately.

Remember: First they ridicule us, then they fight us tooth and nail every step of the way, then they say "Well, I've always known that." So don't try to "win", they get there on their own one day anyway. ;) Just say it and do it yourself anyway.

[timeisnow]

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they call it ALL just theory...

ARTIFICIALLY LOCKED INTO APATHY,..

REFUSING TO SEE, or even look at the evidence that would set us free... - That's the insanity! - No sensibility...

Blind by design to our true history...
Why do you think it repeats itself?
I despise the act of putting common sense on a shelf... when the verifiable, undeniable facts are our true wealth...

- There is a peaceful solution,
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[timeisnow]

Good on ya, mate. :) Oh, they'll still ridicule you anyway, but I for one am looking forward to such research being presented. You got a crew you trust from some company all ready to fnd this thing and so forth? I repect well produced documentaries - watch them all the time (no time for games of any variety). Documentaries are the best way to get the word out, especially to the higher ups who also watch them and learn from others who do the hard work making them. If you want anything from me as a consultant with leads for you to study and interview, let me know privately.

Remember: First they ridicule us, then they fight us tooth and nail every step of the way, then they say "Well, I've always known that." So don't try to "win", they get there on their own one day anyway. ;) Just say it and do it yourself anyway.

No, I'm letting everyone know; I have set up a social network, so we can all work on things together. Register here: http://criticalunity.org/component/comprofiler/registers.html

[bill23]

space lizard

im with you on this one. the problem is you are on the wrong forum to be debunking david icke. these posts always end in childish squabble, which are more about personal attacks and protecting a belief system. post this one over at ats and have a more balanced debate. using the word bollocks is also going to get peoples backs up.

theories need to be backed up with evidence, even if the evidence is questionable. i think icke uses lizards to make his mediocre books stand out.

[space lizard]

I'm not debunking Icke, and I don't think his books are mediocre.

I'm in agreement with 99% of what he says. I just don't do along with the shapeshifting malarky.

Anyway, like most threads on most forums this has descended into madness. I much prefer a discussion over a pint with real friends, so if you'll all excuse my I bid you all a good day.

ps. to the bloke with the pixie avatar, I didn't read your post.

[tonak]

I beleive most of you are missing the point. David Icke's point. And the point is this. He doesn't write about reptiliains and global control so we the reader will beleive him. He Writes into it so that we will open our minds do our own research, and form our own opinions. Now as far as the reptillians. Whether or not they exist is not the point. It's not his true point. The point is that he beleives they exist. And he is going to speak his mind, hes not going to not say something because he thinks you wont beleive it. He is going to say it because He beleives it. The Idea is to say whatever you beleive despite what rebut you may get for it, despite the criticism, despite all that. You must speak your mind despite what people think of you. People may hear him say this, but i beleive that most truly dont understand it until they hear him talk about reptiles. Which Me i personally have an open mind about it, but the point is it doesnt make a damn bit of difference if reptiles are controlling the conspiracy or my mother. Think of the solution. Live the solution. If you think of the problem. you are giving your energy to the problem.

Love and Peace

[space lizard]

Maybe one day all this will seem obviously true. but right now based on the information / arguments supplied I'm not going along with the shapeshifting.

Not for fear of ridicule or because I have a closed hive mind blah blah blah.

I'm saying it's bollocks purely because it's a theory David Icke is yet to have provided anywhere near enough weight for me to be of the same opinion. In the future Icke may bring forth more, but right now not something I agree with.

not that I consider my opinion of any import. Not that I'm trying to sway anyone else. They are your minds, construct the universe as you see fit....

[bill23]

how about the idea that people are possessed by a race of reptilians as opposed to the repillians physically shape shifting? the Illuminati, possibly been possessed via occult rituals. the reptilian race cant physically control us for environmental reasons, so they try and control us via mind control.

[shane]

I think all the reptilian stuff is bollocks



IAnyway, onto David Icke......

I consider myself fairly open minded. David has some weird theories that I'm happy to consider quite possible that other people would scoff at. i.e. - politicians being child killers / the rich and powerful being members of occult sects / the royal families of europe being inbred sadists / etc.

I'm also quite convinced that reality is an illusion. We are each a subjective viewpoint of this universe observing itself. Our universe is one of many. Time and space are constructs of the collective mind. And through interconnectedness everything is one...

BUT

Shapeshifting / 12 foot lizards / etc.
That's where I'm drawing the line.




Do you even know what theory means? David Icke is simply passing on information that has come up many times from different sources over the course of 20+ years of research.

It's not at all accurate to write all this stuff off as "theories".

That, plus the fact you mention 12 foot lizards, which is the Sun newspaper's favourite catchphrase in relation to David Icke, makes it seem like you don't really know what you're talking about. Especially as DI has never actually used this description for the reptilian entities.

Anyway, if you understand about the illusory nature of reality, then why does shapeshifting seem like such a stretch?

[oiram]

OK here it comes my 5 cents input!
I have two logical explanations!
Can you keep a secret?
Don't get upset with David Icke in my view he is a smart man & he got the truth distributed & he is still a free man. Many have to be very thankful for opening there eyes! Yes of-cause he would not tell anyone the cover-up firstly you don't get your followers upset; secondly what will they do put him in jail for talking about Lizards; the Police would really make fools of them self! :D

Smart! Don't forget he got the real message across to many, many youngsters! Also he believes in the natural logic every human has once you use it nothing can confuse you anymore & you learn how to read between the lines! Good man in my view!

In many cases I even use the description Lizard; so I don't have to call the murdering pigs of humanity by it's real name; or group description "perfect."

Read my comment think about it then come to a logical conclusion!

My honest opinion from the start I believed the lizard part is a smart cover!

Is this not what we use in the Army; code languish to not name it by its real name?

Especially pointing to a specific group being tabu "you know what I mean"

I think this was a smart move! Only people which can read between the lines will get the real message.
That's my view so the lizard part I just ignored from the start!

That's an interesting idea. I had not figured on it. But Bill cooper also started talking about aliens at first and then said he was misled and that it was all disinfo. He did a great job exposing the real evil after that.

Icke may well have done the same but uses it as a cover like you said. I have never ignored the lizard talk. I thought along the lines of what he could possibly be referring to. I have a few ideas...I read a article attacking Icke on antisemitism and that's exactly what they said. The author went on to explain how he means jew for lizard and so on. I figured it was penned by ADL so I didn't give it much thought but that might explain why they shut down his book signings.
If I am correct this was a smart move because millions of youngsters go for stuff like this!
What better way to get there interest going.

Now you just look at his forum they hardly ever talk about the lizard stuff and the real message gets distributed like a fire!

Just read some of his stuff & just try replace the lizard word with Zionist or Jew fits perfectly at least for me!

The same with the UFO stuff if you start your forum on this you will have 60% hitting your forum topic & then you slip in the real message!

Top marketing strategy. Who cares if people believe I am nuts "perfect cover" as long I get my real message across "Right"

Maybe one day David icke will tell us the real reason for his lizard story; I have the feeling I am not far of the mark!
There are others which I think using the same strategy even the elite did not realized this but the real message is right on target!

How could the Government put you in jail for talking about lizards; but using the word Jew three times in the road could get you into trouble especially at the time he was starting his movement!

Anyway this is what I would have done to cover my ass even so I know I don't catch everyones interests!
Just look at the young generation what makes them tick!

To trick the Wolfs you got to be a smarter Wolf!

My Second explanation perfect match also.

This explanation is definitely need in the UFO & Alien section Lizards on two legs!
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http://www.crystalinks.com/reptilianbrain2.jpg (http://www.crystalinks.com/reptilianbrain.html)
The brain stem is the oldest and smallest region in the evolving human brain. It evolved hundreds of millions of years ago and is more like the entire brain of present-day reptiles. For this reason, it is often called the 'reptilian brain'. Various clumps of cells in the brain stem determine the brain's general level of alertness and regulate the vegetative processes of the body such as breathing and heartbeat.

It's similar to the brain possessed by the hardy reptiles that preceded mammals, roughly 200 million years ago. It's 'preverbal', but controls life functions such as autonomic brain, breathing, heart rate and the fight or flight mechanism. Lacking language, its impulses are instinctual and ritualistic. It's concerned with fundamental needs such as survival, physical maintenance, hoarding, dominance, preening and mating. It is also found in lower life forms such as lizards, crocodiles and birds. It is at the base of your skull emerging from your spinal column.

The basic ruling emotions of love, hate, fear, lust, and contentment emanate from this first stage of the brain. Over millions of years of evolution, layers of more sophisticated reasoning have been added upon this foundation.

Our intellectual capacity for complex rational thought which has made us theoretically smarter than the rest of the animal kingdom.

When we are out of control with rage, it is our reptilian brain overriding our rational brain components. If someone says that they reacted with their heart instead of their head. What they really mean is that they conceded to their primative emotions (the reptilian brain based) as opposed to the calculations of the rational part of the brain.
http://www.crystalinks.com/reptilianbrain.html

Now there is a group of specific people about 10% of the worlds population which are bound to use this particular part of there brain permanently!
You may know who they are.

Also this should makes you rethink  what David icke is on about!
But you got to use the right part of you're brain to work it out otherwise you will judge others to be nut cases which they are definitely not.

Look at the red highlights this should reminds you on specific people you see all around you and many are presented on MSM


So do you now understand what a Politician is & who are the Aliens, Reptilian & Lizards?
Which part of the brain are you all using?
You should be able to work it out except if you one of them

So the new term for sheep is Lizard Brains!

So the next time someone tells you that you are a idiot or a conspiracy Nut; have a good look it could be a Lizard Brain you talking to!

So the shapeshifting part could I not just see it in the concept; when people occasionally use there logical Brain but then switching back to there primitive Reptilian Lizard brain!

[novymir]

Consider that D.I. is translating a truth for as wide an audience as possible by metaphor, analogy, or symbolically. To get them to see a otherwise incomprehensible perspective.
What are the principles of the concept, applied beyond a literal understanding?

[bill23]

Consider that D.I. is translating a truth for as wide an audience as possible by metaphor, analogy, or symbolically. To get them to see a otherwise incomprehensible perspective.
What are the principles of the concept, applied beyond a literal understanding?

i do not think icke is using this reptilian theory as a metaphor for something else. he believes in shapeshifting lizards imo.

[space lizard]

Do you even know what theory means? It's not at all accurate to write all this stuff off as "theories".

Yes I do know what a theory is thanks. - A theory is a supposition of ideas intended to explain something.

I didn't write off ALL David Icke's stuff as "theories", I stated he has some weird theories that I do go along with. That said I get your point and have taken it on board.

That, plus the fact you mention 12 foot lizards, which is the Sun newspaper's favourite catchphrase in relation to David Icke, makes it seem like you don't really know what you're talking about. Especially as DI has never actually used this description for the reptilian entities.

David quotes Arizona Wilder in the biggest secret. In that she stated that the queen mother shapeshifts into reptilian form and when she does she is a big as any of the reptilians - huge. Also when David writes about shapeshifting he states some of they reptilian entities are up to 12 foot tall.

Anyway, if you understand about the illusory nature of reality, then why does shapeshifting seem like such a stretch?

That's a good point. As stated before, as and up to this point the argument to prove it has not satisfied me. David Icke himself states he's never see anyone shapeshift.

When I read Davids Books and he speaks about "reptilian" I consider George Carlins interpretation.

QUOTE: "When you get right down to it human beings are nothing more than ordinary jungle beasts. Savages. No different from the Cro Magnon people who lived twenty five thousand years ago. No different. Our DNA hasn't changed substantially in a hundred thousand years. We're still operating out of the lower brain. The reptilian brain. Fight of flight. Kill or be killed. We like to think we've evolved and advanced because we can build a computer, fly an airplane, travel underwater, we can write a sonet, paint a painting, compose an opera. But you know something? We're barely out of the jungle on this planet. Barely out of the fucking jungle. What we are, is semi-civilized beasts, with baseball caps and automatic weapons".

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Anyway, I appreciate your civilized communication on this which is something many people online refuse to attempt.

[lordreptoid]

i do not think icke is using this reptilian theory as a metaphor for something else. he believes in shapeshifting lizards imo.

He's got much of his data from several, if not HUNDREDS of witnesses and researchers. Icke is the "editor" of several books based on other people's accounts. Icke is the "server" if you will of the entire "internet" of data that's given to him for US (you and me) to use as we wish. The only problem with this lovely plan is he remains the "editor" of this data... meaning some of the data I and others gave him DID NOT end up in his books. Keep looking... there's more to his "stories".

PS: Hyperdimensional space-time physics holds the keys to what's going on, not the "physical reality" we call "3D". 19.5 60 degrees double tetrahedron rotation etc.

[pumma]

BUT

Shapeshifting / 12 foot lizards / etc.
That's where I'm drawing the line.

I've read up on it, thought about it, tried to get my head around it. But I don't go along with it. I'll probably be labeled a disinformer by the nutters in here such as Hi5lordship and ReptileSlayer etc. Probably be castigate by that female moderator who's avatar is of a spooky chic in a purple hooded cape. But that is no consequence to me.

When the queen mum died I wore my trousers at half mast , I didn't think of her shifting species and eating a rat sambo.

No one is pushing you to accept anything.

Ice-cream anyone? :D

[space lizard]

No one is pushing you to accept anything.

Ice-cream anyone? :D


Thanks, I realise that no one is pushing me to accept anything.

Except my computer which is pushing me to use American spellings, Z instead of s etcetera .

[thelyran]

Thanks, I realise that no one is pushing me to accept anything.

Except my computer which is pushing me to use American spellings, Z instead of s etcetera .


"The girls can't stand it when you do it right"
Kick Out The Jams-Mc5... Greta band...sorry,off topic.Just not to many are aware to them or The Stooges,very underground in my time.

[space lizard]

Thanks

you should have a listen to a band called The Monks, they only released one album Black Monk Time. Great Sound.

Other than that, Captain Beefheart is the center of the universe.

[bowtiedaddy]

I agree. I think The reptilian thing is absolute crap. I think it was a figurative vision that Icke got, that he took literally. Reptilian, in the way that maybe they use their reptilian brain more often, cold, not feeling...or that their meditative practices get them to revert to the reptilian brain state in order to rid themselves of their conscience.

[enddivision]

I am a witness myself, so I can't agree with you personally, although there are humans who fit the figurative reptilian pattern. But you are entitled to your own opinions, and I won't chastise or ostracise you, guys and gals! :)

[lordreptoid]

I think The reptilian thing is absolute crap.

Some people still think the Earth is flat and it's all a trick of gravity waves against light. A big flat block in space that when you walk off one side it plants you right on the other again, for seamless walking (or sailing) about. What if they are right? Then we'd also have to imagine that all the evidence for reptoids and ETs in the universe, the UFO recordings and multiple witnesses and even the metal fragments beyond our scientific capabilities are also ALL TRICKS played on us.. which then has me rather upset at WHOEVER or WHATEVER set us up inside this extremely limited petri-dish and what their damned problem is as a "god". I dunno... looking back I tend to prefer the more expansive universe with the god that's not a limited thinking prick. Just my opinion though... the flat-Earthers have a right to see whatever they want in this universe and complain about it every step of the way or deny anything they want to deny to their heart's content. Must be a pretty sad, lonely, frightened existence though. Wouldn't want to be one myself. I prefer sharing what I've experienced openly and don't give a crap what anyone else thinks of that - they weren't there, so what could they know anyway? They're just guessing and pulling the blankets up over their heads at night ("I see no stars, I see no stars, I see no stars...Stupid Galileo.")

[bill23]

PS: Hyperdimensional space-time physics holds the keys to what's going on, not the "physical reality" we call "3D". 19.5 60 degrees double tetrahedron rotation etc.


i agree that if there is any truth in it then it must go beyond our 3d reality. have you watched hoaglands 'The Hyper-Dimensional Election of Barack Obama and 2012', interesting that obama was born in hawaii, 19.5 degrees.

[lightblessins]

:):)as u learn u expand, your minds will open up, 5yrs ago i thought draco stuff was pure bs, now i know they r really here, right here!:):)

[space lizard]

I suppose I titled this thread incorrectly.

I should have said "I think all this shapeshifting stuff is bollocks"

Reptilian stuff has a basis in the reptile like behavior of human beings obsessed with territorial pissing, aggression, war, structure, etc.

However Shapeshifting, I require further evidence / weight behind the argument. Having said that I'm not debunking David Icke. I'm patiently observing his work and the world / universe.

Who knows what the future holds. (If we allow the construct of space / time into the debate that is, as is known. they are both constructs of perception).

I think I see the bottom of the rabbit hole from here.

[shane]

David quotes Arizona Wilder in the biggest secret. In that she stated that the queen mother shapeshifts into reptilian form and when she does she is a big as any of the reptilians - huge. Also when David writes about shapeshifting he states some of they reptilian entities are up to 12 foot tall.



Fair enough, I didn't know that Icke had used that description himself. I just get fed up of it being latched onto by bright young "journalists" like Jon Ronson, and used to undermine the subject of shapeshifting.

For example, something I notice is that whenever there are articles about Icke in the red-top newspapers, or conspiracy programmes on TV hosted by Danny Wallace, or anything like that, they always make a point of saying that "David Icke believes that The Queen Mother, George Bush, Henry Kissinger and Kris Kristofferson are blood-drinking 12 foot lizards."

They use buzz words and phrases to make it all sound as random and weird as possible.

[space lizard]

"David Icke believes that The Queen Mother, George Bush, Henry Kissinger and Kris Kristofferson are blood-drinking 12 foot lizards." They use buzz words and phrases to make it all sound as random and weird as possible.


- As opposed to using non buzz words and scientific language that makes it sound normal and plausible?

Remember your talking about shite "newspapers" printed by shitbags and read by arseholes. Scientific debate and questioning the true nature of reality are not the order of the day.

As I said before, you made a valid point, I did use the language of the gutter press. But that does not change the fact that it has been in Davids books.

As for Jon Ronson, I've read THEM and watched "The Lizards and The Jews" on youtube. As first I thought the youtube clip was a piss take so I watched it and David comes off looking quite a good bloke to the uninitiated, also in the book THEM I don't think Jon Ronson does Icke any harm. In fact he goes a long way to clearing up all this anti semitism bollocks, not just for Icke, but for Alex Jones also.

[siphon880di]

I can see you made a valid point that the journalists reported what David Icke taughts. But they did not explain his reasoning, and by giving out too much in one sentence, people will just be turned off.

- As opposed to using non buzz words and scientific language that makes it sound normal and plausible?

Remember your talking about shite "newspapers" printed by shitbags and read by arseholes. Scientific debate and questioning the true nature of reality are not the order of the day.

As I said before, you made a valid point, I did use the language of the gutter press. But that does not change the fact that it has been in Davids books.

As for Jon Ronson, I've read THEM and watched "The Lizards and The Jews" on youtube. As first I thought the youtube clip was a piss take so I watched it and David comes off looking quite a good bloke to the uninitiated, also in the book THEM I don't think Jon Ronson does Icke any harm. In fact he goes a long way to clearing up all this anti semitism bollocks, not just for Icke, but for Alex Jones also.

[tiamet2012]

they may be weird theorys but they will save the universe believe it or not GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

[measle_weasel]

they may be weird theorys but they will save the universe believe it or not GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

Is the universe in peril?

[space lizard]

depends which way you look at it.

[siphon880di]

Educated people use to believe that the world was flat. We believe that reptilians cannot be possible. But we think antimatter is also real.

[measle_weasel]

Educated people use to believe that the world was flat. We believe that reptilians cannot be possible. But we think antimatter is also real.

Anti matter has been produced

[siphon880di]

Anti matter has been produced

My point is still valid since the average people without the tools can't see it.

[measle_weasel]

My point is still valid since the average people without the tools can't see it.

Your point being that most people just believe what they are told without asking for proof? I would agree with that.

[octopusrex]

my views on all of this:

I fall somewhere short of Alex Jones apocalyptic views and hyper sensational texan ranting and almost evangelistic style of panic delivery. I feel he's alienating a lot of people with his poke in the eye approach. However I do appreciate a lot of it is necessary and he's speaking to people who are used to being shouted at. - Just look at any American talk show / interview etc. They love to interrupt and talk over each other.

Anyway, onto David Icke......

I consider myself fairly open minded. David has some weird theories that I'm happy to consider quite possible that other people would scoff at. i.e. - politicians being child killers / the rich and powerful being members of occult sects / the royal families of europe being inbred sadists / etc.

I also understand that when an organization becomes global, it's role is often to perpetuate through manipulation and corruption the very problem that they are supposed to be fixing, i.e. hunger / arms dealing / poverty / disease / etc.

As far as history goes, I know that hitler was into the occult / the british empire is an extension of Babylon thru egypt / rome / etc.

I'm also quite convinced that reality is an illusion. We are each a subjective viewpoint of this universe observing itself. Our universe is one of many. Time and space are constructs of the collective mind. And through interconnectedness everything is one...

BUT

Shapeshifting / 12 foot lizards / etc.
That's where I'm drawing the line.

I've read up on it, thought about it, tried to get my head around it. But I don't go along with it. I'll probably be labeled a disinformer by the nutters in here such as Hi5lordship and ReptileSlayer etc. Probably be castigate by that female moderator who's avatar is of a spooky chic in a purple hooded cape. But that is no consequence to me.

When the queen mum died I wore my trousers at half mast , I didn't think of her shifting species and eating a rat sambo.

What I would ask you... Does it matter if it's bollocks? It would make for great entertainment on the big screen.

[shane]

I can see you made a valid point that the journalists reported what David Icke taughts. But they did not explain his reasoning, and by giving out too much in one sentence, people will just be turned off.



Exactly, that's what I was attempting to say...

[nwoexposer]

If 100% meant that I was absolutely certain that the reptilian stuff is true and 0% meant that I was absolutely certain that the reptilian stuff is crap, I'd say 55%.

There's no direct evidence that I know about that reptilians have been witnessed but also there's a lot of cases where people globally have reported to see shapeshifting lizards.

I personally believe that it's really not important either way. Either way these few are controlling the world, whether or not they are reptiles. People should not get caught up too much in the whole lizard thing whilst totalitarianism is further advancing ever faster in these times.

Mind you this stuff is still important, but no where near as important as resisting the upcoming tyranny. The Elite are probably laughing at us while we're debating whether they're reptilian or not.

[keenly]

the reptilian stuff is absolute bollocks

NO TRUTH whatsoever

The so called bloodlines that icke talks about are mere puppets anyway so why would et reptilians mate with them to create hybrids?

If et reptilians wanted to control the earth they could do it in a day; they WOULD NOT creat bloodlines to spend thousands of years doing it.

DISINFO

[warren peece]

I also just want to make a point about the word BELIEVE.

I think too much importance is given to the word BELIEVE.

I don't BELIEVE - I THINK.

When I say "I think this or that", I'm not necessarily committing my BELIEFS to my thought process. When I say "I think this or that". All I'm stating is "I have thought about something and based on the current information I have included in my process, my thoughts lead me to conclude the following".

Just because I currently think this or that, it does not permanently seize my opinion beyond the arrival of new information.

When people BELIEVE things they fliter out any information that contradicts their version of it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that since discovering the ability to think critically I no no longer BELIEVE anything.

BELIEVE NOTHING / THINK EVERYTHING.


I couldn't of said it any better.


What's interesting though, is Darwinism. In order for a race to efficiently evolve, it must dominate other races and prevent their capabilities. I think the people that are becoming consciously aware are the people that are flourishing and atleast almost preventing this disease from spreading. If that makes sense.

We have the characteristics as Chimpanzees. Very similiar. Emotions are many times spur of the moment. Tantrums are thrown. When excited, begin to clap (like at football games) The thing is the society around us amplifies these emotions we have, keeping us in a primitive state. Influencing egocentrism, greed, (that's mainly based around the monetary system we live under, not to mention the concepts that television spreads) People that arise above the bullshit aren't as primitive..stimulating their mind instead of senses.

Anyways, I thought to myself, if a reptile evolved into an intelligent intellectual organism..what same character traits would it take?? I mean..Chamillions can blend into the environment. Snakes , Lizards, Crocs, are sneaky. Shady. Secretive. It's a anaconda vs. monkey with this haha. Iono this is just an IDEA though. I came to that conclusion the other day. Something I THINK, not BELIEVE.

[oiram]

BELIEVE NOTHING / THINK EVERYTHING.
Thanks God for this one!
I lost all hope that this day will come that others understand this.
Now this is me & my life & did my wife hate me for being this way!

[warren peece]

Thanks God for this one!
I lost all hope that this day will come that others understand this.
Now this is me & my life & did my wife hate me for being this way!

I'm a hip hop head..hang out with a lot of PEOPLE..haha once I got into this shit, it was the point of no return..now either im labeled as "intelligent" or "crazy" there's a thin line between the two though.

[lordreptoid]

DISINFO

*Chuckles, scratches his scales... yes, the real life PHYSICAL hybrid ones... sorry no tail... just a childhood scar. Smirks and nods in agreement that it's all "disinfo" and quickly tries to cover-up the COHRA website and all it's data, especially the genetic research and personal accounts data... all 50 some-odd articles worth... then quickly tries to tear the pages of data out of David Icke's books, sees more of his own research and just tosses it into the fire... nods some more, blushing a bit. Rips apart the book of genesis, then buries the Sumerian texts, deletes the google-earth data around the Dogon tribe and other such regions of past contact, tells the Hopi tribes to remain silent as well as other tribes around the world - takes a breath, stops to nod as he listens "keenly" to a random stranger*

You might be on to something there, mate. Could all be disinfo, sure... you may be right - I man really! Where's the evidence?! Come on! *smiles like a used-car salesman and puts his arm around his shoulder and walks him to a.... safer... area... away from the reptoid-zone.* I like your logic. Let's do lunch.

[lordreptoid]

In order for a race to efficiently evolve, it must dominate other races and prevent their capabilities.

Wolves and Ravens hunt together as both benefit. Bacteria inside the bellies of termites allow them to digest wood. Bacteria inside your own body work for your benfit also. The common dog works willingly, loving alongside humans as both benefit. Examples number in the millions everywhere against this notion of "kill or be killed" thinking ("Survival of the fittest"). Not even nature works that way all the time, obviously not all humans do either. Some humans obviously prefer the negative domination (destructive) model because there's something inside themselves which prefers this notion. Perhaps they have something in common with other humans who pollute the world into self-termination... very counter-productive and obviously rather self-destructive. DEAD END science. Species like that would never end up getting far off their respective planets.

[oiram]

Not even nature works that way all the time, obviously not all humans do either. Some humans obviously prefer the negative domination (destructive) model because there's something inside themselves which prefers this notion.Oh yes!
They have something in common alright! The word is ....

Fear
Fear to speak there minds
Fear to not be accepted by the sheep
Fear to stand on you're own two feet
Fear to be called names
Fear of rejection
Fear to lose false friends
Fear to see the truth
Fear to be you're self

Fearful scary little hypocritical big mouth Zombies lying to them self's!

To compensate for there weakness they join in numbers believing this way they are someone but never them self's.

By knowing this deep down in you're hard you start to hate your self for who you really are!

Then the hate you start to transfer to others because of you're inner self hate.
That's what I call the bottomless pit!
Always on edge, always on fire, always on the run, always on the defense toward truth & which makes logical sense!

Most of these individuals are on some sort of drugs to kill there inner pain & self hate.

Happiness is there dream but all they got is Fear & self destructive hate which gets distributed to all others.
A never ending circle in there own circles!

Yes to fight for the truth you have to be in love with the truth & hate you're own inner fear to stand up for you're self to be somebody which is alive.

Once you overcome this inner fear that's when you are alive the first time.

You like proof of this; well I am Human & I been there & found the way out of the Bottomless pit & now I am a free person alive & give the Zombies the shits; in hope they one day start to run out of there self created Bottomless Pit!

Don't you hate me; for telling you; you're mirror image! .... "That's Good because I love it"

Don't hate me just hate you're fear & this will set you free!

Don't believe me, don't show me you're fear because it's all about you not others!

[drc_]

Saying it's ALL bollocks is bollocks in my opinion..

The evidence of serpent worship is found ALL OVER THE WORLD, you simply cannot deny that! Unless you're an idiot of course :p

But I do agree that the shapeshifting stuff is pretty hard to swallow..

Although I believe David and many others are pretty much right about the Reptillian story. It makes a lot of sense to me in many, many ways.

We'll see if it ever comes out. Would be fun! :D

[lordreptoid]

Let's look at the term a moment: Shape-shift... to change shapes. OK...

Where have we seen this before? Ghosts. Do they ever change shape? In some cases, yes. Misty forms turning into a person and vise-versa, materialize and dematerialize... OK... UFOs. Do they ever change shapes? In some cases, yes. Two become one, one becomes two, radar size/blip mass anomalies... OK then... so by definition they also "shape-shift"... so what is shape-shifting in regards to the paranormal? It is a term to attempt to "explain the unexplainable" and nothing more. It is a term to attempt to describe something that makes no sense at all to the participant of the occurrence. Once someone tries to DEFINE shape-shift as "this is how it's done" then others ASSume that all "shape-shifting" (use of the term) refers to this NEW singular description of "what's going on". This is untrue and evidence of a meme. There are many words which have more than one definition... In conclusion I suggst the evidence of this for the phrase "shape-shift" is also true.

Thank-you, and good day. *dematerializing from the stage for a laugh* :)

[keenly]

Let's look at the term a moment: Shape-shift... to change shapes. OK...

Where have we seen this before? Ghosts. Do they ever change shape? In some cases, yes. Misty forms turning into a person and vise-versa, materialize and dematerialize... OK... UFOs. Do they ever change shapes? In some cases, yes. Two become one, one becomes two, radar size/blip mass anomalies... OK then... so by definition they also "shape-shift"... so what is shape-shifting in regards to the paranormal? It is a term to attempt to "explain the unexplainable" and nothing more. It is a term to attempt to describe something that makes no sense at all to the participant of the occurrence. Once someone tries to DEFINE shape-shift as "this is how it's done" then others ASSume that all "shape-shifting" (use of the term) refers to this NEW singular description of "what's going on". This is untrue and evidence of a meme. There are many words which have more than one definition... In conclusion I suggst the evidence of this for the phrase "shape-shift" is also true.

Thank-you, and good day. *dematerializing from the stage for a laugh* :)


reptilians do not rule the planet

wake up

[lostwonderer]

In response to the title of this thread, so do i.

[fromthatshow]

I think all this human stuff is bollocks.

[twistedconcept]

Saying it's ALL bollocks is bollocks in my opinion..

The evidence of serpent worship is found ALL OVER THE WORLD, you simply cannot deny that! Unless you're an idiot of course :p

But I do agree that the shapeshifting stuff is pretty hard to swallow..

Although I believe David and many others are pretty much right about the Reptillian story. It makes a lot of sense to me in many, many ways.

We'll see if it ever comes out. Would be fun! :D


There is symbolism of many things in the ancient world. It doesn't mean we're ruled by reptilians. It's possibly allegory.

[lordreptoid]

I think all this human stuff is bollocks.

LMAO, yes! That's the spirit - show 'em what it's like and how silly they look. ;)

[lordreptoid]

reptilians do not rule the planet

wake up

Go back to sleep, dreamer! Take your hate and fear elsewhere.

["keenly has not made any friends yet" - *Nods, knows how unappealing fear and hate are to others.]

[space lizard]

Saying it's ALL bollocks is bollocks in my opinion..

The evidence of serpent worship is found ALL OVER THE WORLD, you simply cannot deny that! Unless you're an idiot of course :p


Try reading through the thread and look at the part where I state my reasons for saying it's bollocks before insinuation that I'm an idiot in future.

Your argument is based on evidence of serpent worship being found all over the world.

My argument is, that birds, horses, insects, cattle, thunder, stars, cats, lions, etc. have all been worshipped all over the world also.

[killuminati18]

Go back to sleep, dreamer! Take your hate and fear elsewhere.

["keenly has not made any friends yet" - *Nods, knows how unappealing fear and hate are to others.]


Everybody that doesnt believe in reptilians have hate and fear?



:rolleyes:

[warren peece]

Anyways as far as this shapeshifting shit goes..I wonder where that concept originated from . Because I remember the bible saying the devil takes different forms. And the greatest trick he ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Just curious what kind've entity (not saying it's something else) could have come up with some of this stuff because much of it pertains to the world we percieve to day. Especially how the "mark of the beast" is seen on numerous products and mainstream. I personally don't believe in that kind of God nor person that is posed to save us. I do find it it quite interesting.. :)

[lordreptoid]

reptilians do not rule the planet. wake up

Unprofessional, rude, obnoxious, inflammatory, negative attack on readers, etc...

Everybody that doesn't believe in reptilians have hate and fear?

No. You are being too simple about this. Take a look at the bigger picture taking place here, and elsewhere.

[drc_]

Try reading through the thread and look at the part where I state my reasons for saying it's bollocks before insinuation that I'm an idiot in future.

Your argument is based on evidence of serpent worship being found all over the world.

My argument is, that birds, horses, insects, cattle, thunder, stars, cats, lions, etc. have all been worshipped all over the world also.

Christ mate.. how old are you? Take a chill-pill, smoke some weed, whatever. Don't get all offended, I used a frikkin' smiley for God's sake! :rolleyes:

See? I did it again! :p

And again..

I didn't insinuate that you were an idiot. You took that personally. Is that my problem? Don't think so.

Maybe I wasn't clear before. Serpent worship is found everywhere around the world. Many old cultures claim they're descendants of these serpents/reptiles. This is not absolute evidence, this isn't conclusive proof, this isn't the whole truth and nothing but it. What it is is clues that support the theory. Nothing more. Of course there's other animals and things that people have been worshipping. I'm not denying that. All I'm simply saying is that there's enough evidence of serpent worship that support the theory.

And to deny this evidence, yeah that would make a person an idiot in my opinion.

Again, not saying or insinuating that YOU are an idiot. *JOKE ALERT* But based on your response I'm starting to think otherwise... :p *END OF JOKE ALERT*

( And wow, there's that smiley again! ;) )

[tonak]

Ice-cream anyone? :D

sounds amazing! :D

[bill23]

Unprofessional, rude, obnoxious, inflammatory, negative attack on readers, etc...



No. You are being too simple about this. Take a look at the bigger picture taking place here, and elsewhere.

how many reptilians have you seen?

[lordreptoid]

how many reptilians have you seen?

Is that a link in my signature there? COHRA. Try it.

[meksar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfIts4EJtpY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLhPXbhSe8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0aFplGQ7NU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHJtMey38Jg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4CpnlopO_E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6E42FZqe0Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bXkmybfBiM