Jordan Maxwell Jan 29 2009 Shocker...

[lynfowars]

Jordan Maxwell was a guest on the Alex Jones Show Jan 29 2009.

Quite unexpected, Jordan claims to have made a connection to some power over humanity for the past few thousand years, and this 'plan' is coming to a final conclusion right here and now.

He claims this is a danger to human survival itself and involves the 'return' of some kind of 'entity'.

He claims the elite were involved, but that even they have lost control of 'this' and it is now too late to stop imminent events.

I have to admit, he did sound fairly upset over it and desperate to get the info out. So much so, he has Alex Jones on a fast-track invite to get his findings into a production asap otherwise he fears he may die taking this knowledge with him.

Some handy links are here:

Pt1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90URCzzJwgw

Pt2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcUTl8ji5LU

Pt3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPkLK4IdI70

Pt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA8Fbbsq2Rg

Pt5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAfto-JuIw

[endlessvista]

I have been thinking about this a lot. The symbol he is refering to is the rising sun. Now what does the rising sun on the horizon look like? A half circle, a dome. The elite have always been obsessed with domes from the Romans and Greeks to the British Empire (madelsons one in London) and the domes all over Washtington DC. The main site of the Katria Ritual was The Superdome were Bush flew over looking down at the victims making satantic hand gestures to his fucked up gods.

I think it has something to do with domes and I think the dome as the rising sun represents a UFO.

That's my crazy talk, but we know the elite are into all this stuff and if I was to look inside their demented minds I would be nclide to think they are going to unveil the Sun Dome or the upsidedown flying saucer.


http://www.heritage.nsw.gov.au/statearms/rising_sun.jpg


Carry On Ceasar
http://static.monolithic.com/thedome/pantheon/pan08x.jpg

A little more orthodox
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Hagia_Sophia_09.JPG


http://www.aoc.gov/images/dome_1.jpg

Interesting how a dome "survived" at heroshima
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/Japan/Hiroshima/AtomicDome/AtomicDomeCloseup.jpg

Dome of the rock
http://www.atlastours.net/holyland/dome_of_the_rock_inside.jpg

http://weblogs.cltv.com/news/local/chicago/KatrinaSuperdome.jpg

Ooh Mandy...
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/80/74880-004-43528F1D.jpg

http://mathildasweirdworldweblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/ufo.jpg

[chris]

Maxwell has been threatened more than anyone...His life has been ruined over this. I think they must have gotten to him somehow to make him discredit himself.

[themime]

Interesting stuff OP, evil is a real and tangible thing.

I have seen it face to face and I have no doubt that spiritual evil and evil "beings" also exist.

However I am also 100% convinced that a greater good also exists and will triumph in the end.

Anyone who has felt the presence of anything such (good or bad), as this in the real world will know what I mean and if they have not they will probably not understand how real it is.

Keep up the good work.:)

[mrmoney]

Almost everyone I've talked to thinks it's the sun. It has to be.

Alex is going to visit Jordan in a few months, and they're going to film and put together a properly-produced documentary where Jordan's going to explain this all. Should be extremely interesting, to say the very least.

[themime]

Found a Maxwell vid:

http://thebigagenda.com/channel.php?id=7&rid=126

[measle_weasel]

I think Jordan Maxwells research is amazing.

[measle_weasel]

Listened to the whole thing just now. Not much more said than whats said in JMs videos, except that he now thinks we are in the endgame. I also didnt know he believed there to be an otherworldly entity guiding the elite here on Earth, and I didnt know the elite believe that entity to be returning soon.

Sounds like it could get epic quite soon.

[yozhik]

Also puts a different perspective on the latest catch phrase spewing forth from the mouths of the government puppets; "a New Dawn ... "

A new dawn occurs at the rising of the sun.

[seercirra]

if you type "jordan maxwell" into piratebay, youll find atleast 10 hours of his vids in one package. i remember i downloaded it 6 months ago because i was moving and would lose my net connection. lol

[michael christopher]

Something to consider, if Maxwell is being honest with how terrified he is of the elite lately, they may have offered him a way out via the spread of information. Anyone in such a position of fear, as he openly admits to be, is letting his fear be known for a reason. I don't know if he is a very trustworthy source at this point, taking his position into consideration.

[fnulnu]

I don't know if he is a very trustworthy source at this point, taking his position into consideration.

He makes so much stuff up anyway,it'd be hard to tell the difference.This could equally be the single time he has been given genuine information to disclose.

[whatistruth]

Forget what JM said, alex said at one point "lets get to the bottom line here, they believe in their own writtings that some 'above human' government is in control of things".

Could alex be alluding to something here?

ive NEVER heard alex talk like this before and he sounded really serious.

[ownedtbh]

Jordan Maxwell is a fraud. he works for them just like benjamin fulford.

there is about 5 documentaries out there all exposing him for who he really is.

i recommend you guys to look into them hes not all that great.

[lynfowars]

The 'entity' thing grabbed my attention. I have felt the top-end of the elite, perhaps the mere few hundred that really run everything else, must have some 'motivation' that goes way beyond money and 'power'.

I am mindful of Geller (and a few others) interacting with 'The Nine' as they were known. These jokers didn't sound especially benign and a lot of these sun symbols have 9 radian arms. That could all be baloney though (The Nine) I'm just pointing out things. It's all up in the air right now (literally?)

Brad Steiger recently mentioned his research buddies having a sense of impending change that involves some entity too. Maybe the answer has been in our face for years, hidden in plain sight...

Interesting times these are.

[lynfowars]

Jordan Maxwell is a fraud. he works for them just like benjamin fulford.

there is about 5 documentaries out there all exposing him for who he really is.

i recommend you guys to look into them hes not all that great.


If they've gone to the bother of making FIVE debunking films, then he must be dangerous. That's why I'll be listening to what he says. There's more people make a living debunking Icke..meaning...???

[ownedtbh]

If they've gone to the bother of making FIVE debunking films, then he must be dangerous. That's why I'll be listening to what he says. There's more people make a living debunking Icke..meaning...???

"they" have not made nothing i only watched 2 of the debunking films and they where made byaverage people like me and you. they show you how he makes things up and changes his words around i used to believe in maxwell but after seeing them 2 videos i know now who he really is.

he is nothing but a fraud

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3119679914965262207

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8856218871691609737&ei=aS2GSaKtI462iALA8IHvCg&q=jordan+maxwell+debunked&dur=3

there is more if you look around.

[thenymph]

he is nothing but a fraud

... here we go again ..!;)

[godspeed]

the entity is ol satan himself....so they found an initiation person who can do pretty much what jesus did..........healing etc....only this one will use it for dark powers....to manifest the return of jesus and fool everyone to worship him...but really its satan they will worship...not so hard to work out but i bet it fools a lot of desperate people waiting for jesus to come and save them instead of saving themselves...god i hate this world...they are everywere...and i mean everywere....im opting out of society it sucks big time....societies are all right if you like shopping and alcohol but if you dont your certainly nor catered for...the hills are calling me home......:D

[whatistruth]

"they" have not made nothing i only watched 2 of the debunking films and they where made byaverage people like me and you. they show you how he makes things up and changes his words around i used to believe in maxwell but after seeing them 2 videos i know now who he really is.

he is nothing but a fraud

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3119679914965262207

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8856218871691609737&ei=aS2GSaKtI462iALA8IHvCg&q=jordan+maxwell+debunked&dur=3

there is more if you look around.

yea and bill drunk crazy ass 'the driver shot kennady' cooper is a reliable dedunker huh?

[ownedtbh]

dont be ignorant and watch DEBUNKING JORDAN MAXWELL - THE MOVIE

then tell me what you think about jordan maxwell.


most of you just dont like to hear the guy you have been listening to for years is a FRAUD.

[lynfowars]

"they" have not made nothing i only watched 2 of the debunking films and they where made byaverage people like me and you. they show you how he makes things up and changes his words around i used to believe in maxwell but after seeing them 2 videos i know now who he really is.

he is nothing but a fraud

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3119679914965262207

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8856218871691609737&ei=aS2GSaKtI462iALA8IHvCg&q=jordan+maxwell+debunked&dur=3

there is more if you look around.


Wow, you're drawing them curtains real tight... I'll listen to what he says first. I follow no-one blindly, but I like to hear what everyone has to say. One thing is 100% certain, if he was really was close to disclosing something fundamental to human existence, then TBPB will stop at nothing to discredit him, including producing umpteen videos by "ordinary people" debunking him... Spooks are "ordinary people" but I wouldn't trust them one iota

[ownedtbh]

Wow, you're drawing them curtains real tight... I'll listen to what he says first. I follow no-one blindly, but I like to hear what everyone has to say.

thats the best way :)

[fnulnu]

dont be ignorant and watch DEBUNKING JORDAN MAXWELL - THE MOVIE

then tell me what you think about jordan maxwell.


most of you just dont like to hear the guy you have been listening to for years is a FRAUD.

I don't need to watch any debunking videos.I know he's a fraud,but I think he has an appeal for gullible,impressionable people who get too bored in the pursuit of real,hard-fought for knowledge (of their own).

[lynfowars]

I don't need to watch any debunking videos.I know he's a fraud,but I think he has an appeal for gullible,impressionable people who get too bored in the pursuit of real,hard-fought for knowledge (of their own).

Wow, setting your stall out like that so publicly. I am far from gullible I will hear what he has to say.

A well enough done debunking job may be fully 'referenced and researched' and still be bunkum. Examples? Well, look at how the USS Liberty incident still stands fully judged by the MSM as an 'accident' rather than the deliberate murderous false-flag it was. As for 9-11? say no more...

These incidents prove people have to see ALL evidence and make their own minds up for the simple reason that there is more fraud done upon us by counter-intelligence than any individual could achieve.

[gtycoon]

I think this is a symbol he is talking about:
http://www.mypokertube.com/members/viewphoto/4332/Obama_rainbow_sunrise_cult/


http://www.mypokertube.com/files/photos/f2c3b258e9cd8baL.jpeg

Look at it compared to Obamas logo:

http://www.mypokertube.com/files/photos/40cccad2ac57c29L.jpeg

[tien an]

Anyone noticed the Morning Travel Alerts logo from the 'Mayor of London'?

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Big-Brotherstyle-signs-are-a.4932984.jp

PS It's in the Flash advertising.

(oh, and Citibank too...)

[cleopatraxxx]

something to consider, if maxwell is being honest with how terrified he is of the elite lately, they may have offered him a way out via the spread of information. Anyone in such a position of fear, as he openly admits to be, is letting his fear be known for a reason. I don't know if he is a very trustworthy source at this point, taking his position into consideration.

this was exactly my thought as i went on reading the posted info!!!!!!!!!!

[lynfowars]

this was exactly my thought as i went on reading the posted info!!!!!!!!!!

That's a bit unfair? Are you suggesting this old man is going to end his days a coward, shivering in the corner? Rubbish! I heard him talk and I sensed no cowardice. Fear is a warrior's best friend, it does not go hand-in-hand with cowardice.

[scones86]

Brad Steiger recently mentioned his research buddies having a sense of impending change that involves some entity too. Maybe the answer has been in our face for years, hidden in plain sight...

Interesting times these are.

Where did you read that what Brad Steiger mentioned? Who is he anyway?

[cleopatraxxx]

I KEEP ON SAYING:

we are alive, we are aware that Something is changing, something soon will bring a change: that is in the Elite's words/actions everywhere, so THEY KNOW...
WHATEVER it is, my personal opinion, keep yourself as healthy as possible, live your daily life in as much love for the family, friends, neighbours, pets, etc... just keep up the loving vibrations no matter what.

March 2009 is going to be a month of discord. Planets alignmetns aren't very positive, but individually, as far as i see it, as long as we keep optimistic and as healthy as possible, and one without the other suffers consequences, so just be the max optimistic as you can...
do keep the positive vibes and on an individual level that will affect the outside world to a small extent. if we all do it, the dose will increase and will make a bigger difference... don't fear.
death , even if it comes, is just a change of state and all family members and friends, those of similar vibration will reunite in a different environment. if Death is not coming, then the change even if so bad can be overcome. our grandparents survived WWII, WWI, so why wouldn't we???? if this is an electronic war, weather war, whatever it is for sure based on deceiving actions from governments, as far as i see it if one is aware, then nothing(!) will deceive us. FOLLOW YOUR HEART-the 6th Sense -and you will not go "wrong". You will be led where you have to be ;-)

keep as optimistic as possible. everything happens for a reason. of course don't be gullible...

[cleopatraxxx]

That's a bit unfair? Are you suggesting this old man is going to end his days a coward, shivering in the corner? Rubbish! I heard him talk and I sensed no cowardice. Fear is a warrior's best friend, it does not go hand-in-hand with cowardice.

no, no no....
sometimes things just aren't what we want them to be, or not as expected...
i know nothing about the man... i havne't even watched the videos..

all i know, is that everything around is so unsupportive of anything.

he could be saying the truth or simply adding salt to some theories and working for others.

just something to be aware of.
not necessarily the truth.
i hope people are realising that working for the bad side is not the way out.
whatever this man is saying, if it is the truth then of course, i can only applause him for his courage and righteousness!

if he on the other hand is not being truthfull but working for the bad side by making us think he is saying the truth... you know what i am on about...

tnx

Cleo

p.s.: lynfowars, is you SENSE this is truth what he says, then good. it will ressonate with your destiny and hopefully the old man is being true. Then we all benefit from his info. to others he may be saying bulls*it... follow YOUR FEELINGS, my personal opinion.

i am going to listen to him, i will come back with it.

TNX

[gtycoon]

I think this is a symbol he is talking about:
http://www.mypokertube.com/members/viewphoto/4332/Obama_rainbow_sunrise_cult/


http://www.mypokertube.com/files/photos/f2c3b258e9cd8baL.jpeg

Look at it compared to Obamas logo:

http://www.mypokertube.com/files/photos/40cccad2ac57c29L.jpeg



Obama logo on side of Philosophical research society
http://mypokertube.com/files/photos/da6cb383f8f9e58L.jpg

And great seal
http://mypokertube.com/files/photos/f1676935f9304b9L.jpg

[fnulnu]

Wow, setting your stall out like that so publicly.

Is that what I was doing? Sorry,sometimes I think it's still 1975.


A well enough done debunking job may be fully 'referenced and researched' and still be bunkum.

I wasn't referring to any debunking jobs.I have my own background,one which enables me to recognise outright lies and fabrication in certain instances.
I'd agree that we should have all the access to all the information,but equally,there is a plethora of blatant bogus disinfo floating around the net which is then used to create even more documentaries and they are being taken as gospel by plenty of people who don't know any better.

Overall,I do not think it is benign to spread lies.

[realfake]

Almost everyone I've talked to thinks it's the sun. It has to be.Why the need for symbolism if "it" and the Sun are one and the same? If "it" were the Sun, then "it" would already be with us.

[loki]

im sorry to say but alot of you guys are complete fucking idiots ... why the fuck would take some one elses opinions of jordan maxwelll ... are u to brainwashed and stupid to form your own opinion ... he is extreamly correct with the rising sun symbology ... even david icke talks about this symbol

and no ... not god nor anything will come to help us .... do u know why ....

BECAUSE YOUR HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAVE URSELF ...

now is not the time to sit back and critisize people ... we all know some shit is going down soon if u cant feel that then u are still very much asleep

Research things before u open your stupid fucking mouths ... dont take anyone elses opinion other then your own ... if u see something you dont agree with go freaking look it up and see for yourself if it is correct or valid ... dont just watch 1 stupid debunking vid and let it brainwash your opinion .... as someone said earlier if there is 5 debunking vids on him ... something is obviously up why would people go to such an extent to debunk someone like jordan maxwell ...

you guys make me dead set so angry some times ... i was quite a regular on this site a while ago as some people will remeber but some of the close minded shite and stupid brainwashed opinions made me stray away .... some of you people think your awake .... i say your either full of shit or sleep walking

your body is your consciousnessess vehical to navigate this reality ... its not real ... but while your vehical is here put it to some good use and lets take down these asshats at the top ... and whats the worst that happens ?? ... you die ?? ... well you cant die ... you can leave ur vehical in this would yes ... buy to die .... no sorry cant happen .. if you die you return back to ur consciousness state and leave this reality ... the elite are aware of this and know the tricks of the trade ... we dont and thats the way they made it ... we need to stop these guys and do it now and quickly before they really think of a way to screw us over .... to a massive extent in this reality

and ways ive gone way off topic ... super rant over lol ... i could go on forever ....wake up people ... like seriously .... open your eyes

[twistedconcept]

yea and bill drunk crazy ass 'the driver shot kennady' cooper is a reliable dedunker huh?


The same Bill Cooper that paid with his life to spread the truth? The same Bill Cooper that gave great insight into freemasonry and symbology? Bill Cooper was a hero and a patriot.

Also, where do you get the impression he was a "crazy drunk"? Do you have any evidence for these claims?

By your logic, Icke is a nutter because he believes in reptilians.

[whatistruth]

The same Bill Cooper that paid with his life to spread the truth? The same Bill Cooper that gave great insight into freemasonry and symbology? Bill Cooper was a hero and a patriot.

Also, where do you get the impression he was a "crazy drunk"? Do you have any evidence for these claims?

By your logic, Icke is a nutter because he believes in reptilians.

Nah bill cooper got shot up by some cops for waving a gun around.

It wasnt an assasination or a hit, it was what happens when you wave a gun in a cops face.
The guy was NUTS.
Ever heard alex jones talk about him?
He was threatening and swearing and demanding stuff.


And he claimed the most BOGUS stuff was real.
When i was watching behold a pale horse i turned it off soon as he said the driver shot kennady.
He was a sensationalist, a crank, a crackpot, a loony, a moonbat.

Was some of the stuff he said true? yup.
Was most of it? Nope.

He also spent most of his time badmouthing JM, alex jones and various other people.
He isnt 'right' by virtue of the fact he's dead.

[helloperator]

And you're not right by virtue of all your derogatory adjectives

[secondsun]

he is nothing but a fraud

watched the `debunking jordan maxwell` one!... well worth the watch!... thanks!

yea and bill drunk crazy ass 'the driver shot kennady' cooper is a reliable dedunker huh?

...true!...maybe he was fooled too!?...we all get fooled from time to time... but it is worth noting that Cooper got shot dead by a sheriff.... and maxwell, so far, has`nt!

[vladmir]

Debunking Jordan Maxwell is quite a pathetic attempt, and dosent accomplish much at all. I have watched all those videos a long time ago, and i wasnt impressed. Jordan isint perfect, he may have got some details off, and he never said that he is infalliable like the Pope..he says do your own research, and i have done enough to clearly see that the basics of the illuminati symbology and jesus being a metaphor for the Sun are said absolutely brilliantly by Jordan.

[onlycrazy]

For those interested in the symbolism
I came across this site....see what you think...

http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.com/

it spooked the crap out of me lol

[mikethepunk]

Cool thanks so much for posting this.
I missed this episode and the podcasts are not downloading.

cheers

[freedomnonfighter]

I have an idea: let's not let words and symbols dictate our Reality for us! :)

Listen to this inspiring music instead and FEEL your own truth. Feeling is knowing, is connection, is intuition :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Q3IqdwikQ

[tesla]

I found the interview very interesting..

[sukyspook]

the entity is ol satan himself....so they found an initiation person who can do pretty much what jesus did..........healing etc....only this one will use it for dark powers....to manifest the return of jesus and fool everyone to worship him...but really its satan they will worship...not so hard to work out but i bet it fools a lot of desperate people waiting for jesus to come and save them instead of saving themselves...god i hate this world...they are everywere...and i mean everywere....im opting out of society it sucks big time....societies are all right if you like shopping and alcohol but if you dont your certainly nor catered for...the hills are calling me home......:D

Indeed and imho, of course, the 'entity' - in one name or another, for there are many - is Satan, the 'god of this world', the original tyrant from whence the title/word comes:

John 8:44 (KJV)
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=liar+&qs_version=9

and those who do his bidding are, like him, of the 'synagogue of satan':


Revelation 2:9
"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=synagogue+of+satan&qs_version=9

Sadly, many don't even believe in God The Creator of all things, let alone Satan - which is one of Satan's most successful tricks!

I still find this series interesting and considering what Jordan is talking about (only seen part 1 so far - thanks for posting OP) - there could very well be a link.

Nibiru Palace Part 1 - SATAN UFO 666

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0NMi3LneiPM

Do have a look at this series whilst considering what Jordan is talking to Alex about. . .

I believe Obama could be the forefunner to 'Antichrist', the person and he could quite well be playing the part of Anubis, 'the opener of the way' - why, his nickname is 'Barky' as Anubis is sometimes known as 'The Barker'. And of course there's all that nonsense about the Obama's new dog. . .

Those who would 'rule the world' do so (imho) by secretly controlling humanity in a cycle to keep us enslaved. Of course now 'they' own and control every access into our minds ie media/film/computer games/UN/central banks/our governments etc etc they believe this major end/beginning of the cycle around 2012 (of course) will be a stroll in the park.

However, they didn't bargain on so many of us being spiritually aware and fully awake to their despotic and satanic agenda which has plagued humanity since at least 9,000BC and probably for aeons prior to that.

Don't you think of going anywhere Godspeed - this planet needs you!!

[chris]

Jordans a clever man...He knows that even if he's in contact with alien superbeings that to say so on the Alex Jones show will look like box-standard disinfo.

So hyperthetically, if this was true; at most he would contact Alex while not on the air. Why even bother at all?

But it sounds a lot like they have managed to get at him somehow, he's already admitted that they already have shut him up...The obvious progression to this is to get him to talk some disinfo...In other words, they've got him by the balls.

Poor guy, I don't hate him for doing this as he's done so much for us already. It's not like he's complete disinfo or a complete sellout. They must be really getting to him.

He sounds very bad, I think this was his way of trying to tell us that there's something very wrong and he doesn't like putting out disinfo but he has to.

[chris]

I'm not saying all his info in the past was perfect, far from it. However, he came from before the internet and the higher level of discernment we have nowadays. I doubt many of us would have been able to connect the dots like he did back in the day.

[lynfowars]

Where did you read that what Brad Steiger mentioned? Who is he anyway?

Who is Brad Steiger?

Holy smoke, you are on the David Icke Forum and you never heard of Steiger?

Hit the floor and gimmee 20 :p

[cleopatraxxx]

Originally Posted by scones86 View Post
Where did you read that what Brad Steiger mentioned? Who is he anyway?Who is Brad Steiger?

Holy smoke, you are on the David Icke Forum and you never heard of Steiger?

Hit the floor and gimmee 20 :p

sorry lynfowars, but i also never heard of Brad Steiger

time to google i guess..

[grachtengordel]

Jordan Maxwell is a fraud. he works for them just like benjamin fulford.

there is about 5 documentaries out there all exposing him for who he really is.

i recommend you guys to look into them hes not all that great.

I am open to the idea , but not convinced. I have watched a few of those 'debunk' Jordan Maxwell vids. They are quite badly done, all the ones i saw based thier arguments on very tenuous points and just kept coming back to reiterate the same one or two things. These 'debunk' vids seem to pick on little ways J M may have contradicted himself, rather than doing any 'debunking' of the material he presents.

[baron von lotsov]

Jordan Maxwell was a guest on the Alex Jones Show Jan 29 2009.

Quite unexpected, Jordan claims to have made a connection to some power over humanity for the past few thousand years, and this 'plan' is coming to a final conclusion right here and now.

He claims this is a danger to human survival itself and involves the 'return' of some kind of 'entity'.

He claims the elite were involved, but that even they have lost control of 'this' and it is now too late to stop imminent events.

I have to admit, he did sound fairly upset over it and desperate to get the info out. So much so, he has Alex Jones on a fast-track invite to get his findings into a production asap otherwise he fears he may die taking this knowledge with him.

Some handy links are here:

Pt1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90URCzzJwgw

Pt2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcUTl8ji5LU

Pt3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPkLK4IdI70

Pt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA8Fbbsq2Rg

Pt5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAfto-JuIw

He is a system agent. You are a fool for believing him and so is Alex Jones. (And Icke for that matter, except Icke did cotton on eventually.)

[grachtengordel]

THIS is what Maxwell is talking about, and the symbol could be a 'sun cult'/'new dawn' type image or it could be the EAGLE, used by all the sick, tyrannical and hellenistic facist groups

Excellent article by 'Celtic Rebel' the most insightful 'blogger' i found ...........

more I cast aside the bullshit notions I was schooled with, and look into real history, the more I see how Michael Tsarion’s tracing of the “sun cult” makes sense. If you follow/trace these “parasites” (via their symbols) from Egypt, to Babylon, to Greece, to Rome, to Germany, to England and it’s colonies (USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia), you’ll see a pattern of intentional destruction of every host culture they left. I’d presume the reason is to wipe out traces of their footsteps. Let’s also not forget: the Greeks were subjugated by the Romans and then [given to] the Ottomans where their culture was [allegedly quite brutally] suppressed (a total period of 1700 years). Thus, much of the history of the Greeks, was written [¿edited?] for them by British historians [see above "route"].

http://celticrebel.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/hammer-and-anvil-iv/

This guy really puts it in perspective, I URGE you to check this article

[grachtengordel]

yea and bill drunk crazy ass 'the driver shot kennady' cooper is a reliable dedunker huh?

Bill cooper said that? interesting, cos he is right, the driver DID shoot kennedy.
I would be inclined to listen to bill coopers words on J M , remember, they did assasinate bill cooper, makes him slightly crtedible, also bill cooper had ideas that alex jones was not entirely benign. Maybe they got rid of bill cooper to make way for thier man on the radio (alex jones) .

it is still possible that alex jones is bill hicks + many burritos, they do have the same eyes.

He sounds very bad, I think this was his way of trying to tell us that there's something very wrong and he doesn't like putting out disinfo but he has to.

I can't see it. thats an interesting idea but i think you are way off.

I' he came from before the internet and the higher level of discernment we have nowadays.

don't kid yourself

[baron von lotsov]

"Originally Posted by chris
He sounds very bad, I think this was his way of trying to tell us that there's something very wrong and he doesn't like putting out disinfo but he has to."

I can't see it. thats an interesting idea but i think you are way off.



don't kid yourself

No, Chris is spot on. He knows!

[drakul]

"they" have not made nothing i only watched 2 of the debunking films and they where made byaverage people like me and you. they show you how he makes things up and changes his words around i used to believe in maxwell but after seeing them 2 videos i know now who he really is.

he is nothing but a fraud

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3119679914965262207

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8856218871691609737&ei=aS2GSaKtI462iALA8IHvCg&q=jordan+maxwell+debunked&dur=3

there is more if you look around.

Thanks for posting these videos about Maxwell. I noticed the same thing in my research - that many of the most influential books written about Christianity being simply a fraudulent sun worship cult were written by high level FREEMASONS. Zeitgeist is nothing but another rendition of these Masonic/sun cult beliefs.

But the worst thing is how they LIE. Maxwell, all of them - claiming that the Egyptian god Horus was CRUCIFIED, that krishna and buddha were crucified, etc etc. Only a fool would believe that stuff without checking.

Maxwell lies in order to fool people into believing that Jesus was just another `mythical sun cult savior god'. If that's true - OK I can deal with it. But don't LIE to me to prove your point. And if ANYONE out there can show me an Egyptian hieroglyphic of a crucified Horus than please do, because Jordan Maxwell certainly doesn't. And why not? Because he CAN'T.

[grachtengordel]

No, Chris is spot on. He knows!

really? How does he know? I am not being sarcastic, i really am interested.

[lynfowars]

Seen what's above the door at Number 10?

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq39/gnashlogin/number10.jpg

[lynfowars]

He is a system agent. You are a fool for believing him and so is Alex Jones. (And Icke for that matter, except Icke did cotton on eventually.)


You are out of order.

No-one here is saying they 'believe him'

They just want to hear what he has found.

Even if I played Devil's Advocate and agree he has guilded the lilly in the past, that does not mean he cannot now redeem himself with a genuine discovery.

Let's wait and see and all stop the needle with each other.

[lynfowars]

Seen what's above the door at Number 10?

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq39/gnashlogin/number10.jpg

Holy smoke....look at the main door to the White House

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq39/gnashlogin/whitehouse.jpg


[edit] okay, what's with the 7 radian arms?
7 arms, like a Tabernacle -which means "residence" ???

[equitibile]

The 'entity' thing grabbed my attention. I have felt the top-end of the elite, perhaps the mere few hundred that really run everything else, must have some 'motivation' that goes way beyond money and 'power'.

The motivation is godhood. It is has always been the principal tenet of every esoteric school, all the way down to the mysteries of the ancient world, that the initiate is a god in the making. Every action taken for the benefit of the Great Work is another step up the ladder of the initiate's ascension to godhood. The one's at the pinnacle are (supposedly) closer than the others, but nevertheless are merely pawns like the rest. The secret society as an institution has been from the very beginning the most ingenious form of mind control. It is a law that the prince of this world must act through men, and the secret society is his carrot on a stick to seduce the most ambitious and capable of men.

[sade]

Get this!

What if nobody is in control?

AAAAAAHHH! NOOOOooooooOOOooooo!!!11111++++++

[lynfowars]

The motivation is godhood. It is has always been the principal tenet of every esoteric school, all the way down to the mysteries of the ancient world, that the initiate is a god in the making. Every action taken for the benefit of the Great Work is another step up the ladder of the initiate's ascension to godhood. The one's at the pinnacle are (supposedly) closer than the others, but nevertheless are merely pawns like the rest. The secret society as an institution has been from the very beginning the most ingenious form of mind control. It is a law that the prince of this world must act through men, and the secret society is his carrot on a stick to seduce the most ambitious and capable of men.

Nice post, thanks.

That does seem grim. I'd always hope if there was some kind of existence afterwards, it didn't involve pecking-orders and dumping on people to progress.

[twistedconcept]

Nah bill cooper got shot up by some cops for waving a gun around.

It wasnt an assasination or a hit, it was what happens when you wave a gun in a cops face.
The guy was NUTS.
Ever heard alex jones talk about him?
He was threatening and swearing and demanding stuff.


And he claimed the most BOGUS stuff was real.
When i was watching behold a pale horse i turned it off soon as he said the driver shot kennady.
He was a sensationalist, a crank, a crackpot, a loony, a moonbat.

Was some of the stuff he said true? yup.
Was most of it? Nope.

He also spent most of his time badmouthing JM, alex jones and various other people.
He isnt 'right' by virtue of the fact he's dead.

So it's true because Alex Jones says it? Cooper isn't here to defend himself.

The bloke was viewed by Clinton as the most dangerous man on radio.

Also, the vast majority of Cooper's claims were completely true. He gave a fantastic insight into freemasonry.

The man served his country and paid with his life. He sent his family away, knowing the dangers that would come.

He'll always be remembered.

[gtycoon]

Holy smoke....look at the main door to the White House

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq39/gnashlogin/whitehouse.jpg


[edit] okay, what's with the 7 radian arms?
7 arms, like a Tabernacle -which means "residence" ???

Those windows are all over the white house. Basically what IMO Jordan is referring to is the Hermetic Order of The Golden Dawn. See link in poster post on last page.

The way this ties into the Freemasons, Eastern Stars, Rotary, and all the other groups/religions is that the AA has their fingers in. Manly was a Freemason and was in the AA.
http://www.arcane-archive.org/faqs/aafaq.php

Take a look at his book here:
http://prs.org/secret.htm
See the sunrise symbol once again.

He founded this organization and you can see obama logo on right:
http://www.prs.org/

This organization is basically in control of all the masonic lodges or at least the Scottish Rites :
Here is Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn

I'm speculating Jordon Maxwell is in the organization too since he admits being good friends with Manly P Hall when he was alive.

This and the masons are tied to Sirius the Dog Star , Eastern Star, Silver Star
etc etc.

Hence Sirius Satellite radio and Dog Star logo.

The Dogon tribe knew about this planet/star and even knew of visitors from their.

Most likely Jordan is preparing us for Aliens coming like William Cooper said that this would happen.

[seercirra]

theres no reason to debunk jordan maxwell. what does the guy have? nothing.
if he's lying the he's been doing so for the last 50 years, fooling many of the smartest researchers around. and gained absolutely nothing for it. far as i know he lives in a single bed flat, by himself.

now, im not saying i believe him 100%.


but i want to have a TEST.. a test of empathy and logic. ;)

if you think he's lying, whats the best thing you could say to him to make him stop.?
if you think he's telling the truth, whats the best thing you could say to him to make him continue and feel appreciated?


this interests me because i sent him an email a couple of days ago and im not 100% sure of his theories, so i thought about this at the time.

let me know :)

[lynfowars]

[snip]
Most likely Jordan is preparing us for Aliens coming like William Cooper said that this would happen.

I agree it could be this, however I would add that 'alien' might well mean a cult of technological seperatists who have been on this planet just as long as we have, but who make public appearances to lord it over us from time to time, for whatever reason. Perhaps when we need a good terrorising and thinning out, like some weeds in a garden.

The idea of the whole 'alien' thing being nothing more than a shy clique of super hi-tech seperatists seems much more plausible to me than real 'aliens'. I also think the Contactee movement of the 50's had an awful lot of genuine accounts, and those so-called 'aliens' looked pretty damned human, if a little 'GM-enhanced' (eg more Aryan than Hitler dared dreamed of, big craniums etc). Indeed the 'alien's bragged about their GM prowess, eg hi-protein potatoes -and this was back in the 50's.

I think this may be the answer.

I have come to feel, that a few thousand years back, a bunch of very clever people got together in an otherwise 'caveman' society. They saw they were leagues smarter than everyone else, and kept themselves to themselves over generations, strictly interbreeding, developing technologies always some step ahead of the 'rest of us'. This technological tracking has been commented on in UFO circles before. What 'alien' (eg bug-eyed greys) creatures have been seen strike me as this advanced group's experiments in cross-species gene experiments, or they could even be 100% cyborg.

I await Jordan's finding with interest.

[grachtengordel]

this guy has some interesting ideas regarding symbols, watch this series of vids, 'winged discs', pyramids and domes. all to do with planet x?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0NMi3LneiPM

[michael christopher]

The idea of the whole 'alien' thing being nothing more than a shy clique of super hi-tech seperatists seems much more plausible to me than real 'aliens'.

I just have to ask, what makes your scenario of highly-advanced human separatist elitists anymore plausible than aliens? I mean, if they are so incredibly technologically advanced that they can shift through dimensions and travel into outer space, doesn't that make aliens at the very least equally likely? Where did they get this technology from, and if they can create space-warping technology from scratch using their own brains (which seems doubtful, since most of them are f-ing idiots), don't you think aliens on other planets may have developed the same technology?

I don't see how people have enough information to make a supposition one way or the other, and to assume seems somewhat dangerous. What if the reason the aliens looked human is because the aliens created humans? I mean, there are so many angles to think about here, all equally as likely as the next, I don't get why people make up their minds on this.

[paolo]

There's a lot of assumption and presumption on what JM is referring to, based on AJ's response to him.
I don't see that JM actually admits to the nature of the "entity" or the power of the symbol, other than what AJ is pushing him to admit
Too many researchers push out half baked ideas too early. The wise man keeps his peace until the time is ripe.
Maybe Jordan will turn up something other than rising sun symbolism
Perhaps explain it in deeper terms than we so far understand
Perhaps not time to gainsay until we know what he's on about
In any case, I think we know the darkness is unfolding at this point

[fnulnu]

In any case, I think we know the darkness is unfolding at this point

Absolutely.

[michael christopher]

Too many researchers push out half baked ideas too early. The wise man keeps his peace until the time is ripe.

Actually, the wise man speaketh not. ;)

[thirdwave]

The same Bill Cooper that paid with his life to spread the truth? The same Bill Cooper that gave great insight into freemasonry and symbology? Bill Cooper was a hero and a patriot.

Also, where do you get the impression he was a "crazy drunk"? Do you have any evidence for these claims?

By your logic, Icke is a nutter because he believes in reptilians.

You cant just believe someone because they died....

with that then we can look and Phil Schneider who in the end would contradict some of Coopers info regarding UFOs and ETEs.., yet he also "died pushing info out"

take your pick.

[twistedconcept]

You cant just believe someone because they died....

with that then we can look and Phil Schneider who in the end would contradict some of Coopers info regarding UFOs and ETEs.., yet he also "died pushing info out"

take your pick.

Who's doing that?

[thirdwave]

I am not sure if AJ is bang on the mark with everything but he is certainly clued up and well worth checking out..

I have no time for those debunking video's and have never seen one that proves anything tangible... they are simply a waste of time on all sides if you ask me. If you cant read something your self and then use your own logic or research then you should go back to watching EastEnders for your education... as the "debunk" videos offer you no more...

not seen all those JM debunk vids... and not even going to bother.. I will check him out for my self.

He is certainly correct in allot of things I have heard..

I am also open to the idea that at times these people are supported by the elite , yes this may be the case... fed info....funded... so on, knowingly or unknowingly, or course this does not always mean they are not talking truth... I believe some truth is now permitted to come out for various reasons, for those intelligent enough to read it... this is why sometimes its hard to prove something as fact in stuff they go into compared to main stream info... but it may come from secret societies that know the truth... that's why allot of the stuff makes so much sense even if some of the stuff may seem like its cherry picked from thin air... but we all know it makes sense and a good bit of in depth research with the help of other authors digging up older authors research does tie allot of it together..

[thirdwave]

Who's doing that?


I was under the impression you where implying his death supported the fact he was telling the truth.

[fnulnu]

I believe some truth is now permitted to come out for various reasons

That's correct,but you also need to be mindful of the fact that the whole distraction of the body of the works is leading you to a bad place to be,mentally.Aside from all else.

[twistedconcept]

I was under the impression you where implying his death supported the fact he was telling the truth.

I didn't. Somebody else may have. I simply highlighted the fact that he paid with his life and was willing to do so, in order to get the message out.

I love Jones' show and think the bloke his genuine, but he messed up on that Y2K show and was rightly bashed by Cooper. I put it down to him being young and being fed false information.

Also, I couldn't care less who's genuine and who's not. It's worth listening to everybody and coming to your own conclusions.

[thirdwave]

That's correct,but you also need to be mindful of the fact that the whole distraction of the body of the works is leading you to a bad place to be,mentally.Aside from all else.


But I can only see that being relevant if you are do not really think for your self... and simply believe what others do....

I will use my judgement on things... and use my research...

that's all one can do and if that's not good enough then we are doomed anyway...

So I refer to a saying i like.. "if the problem can be fixed, why worry?... if the problem cant be fixed, why worry?"

people seem to have the ruck sack on there back called "belief" and they are always looking for a place they can pull it off their back and throw it down too.... I believe we should learn to keep it on our backs... and only put it down when we want to pout something in it or take something out..

I would feel foolish thinking that JM is the bringer of truth and I should eat everything he says... But I would also feel foolish to claim he is a fraud.

What I will say is I have heard nothing that has come from his lips that has appeared damaging at all.... except of course if you are an insecure Christian who is addicted to their faith.

[minista zin uru]

Can someone please post a link for the interview? The original past is not linking right now

I'll post the links if i find them

1

Zin

[minista zin uru]

ok here we go

pt 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k-3H3BiiaU

pt 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx6A4E9lHjY&feature=related

pt 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBR-gHFfhiw&feature=related

pt 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKWBEitk5vY&feature=related

[baron von lotsov]

really? How does he know? I am not being sarcastic, i really am interested.


Because he is intelligent and he's been around here for a long time-that's all. Some people have got the hang of it and others haven’t. I'm not going through this man's history again, I have said it so many times that I'll leave it up to the rest of you to do your own research. You shouldn't need to be spoon-fed the facts.

[baron von lotsov]

Also notice you people have wasted 9 pages of your time on a disinfo agent. This is intentional; this is how the PTB stop any real action. It's all a diversion.

[lynfowars]

I just have to ask, what makes your scenario of highly-advanced human separatist elitists anymore plausible than aliens? I mean, if they are so incredibly technologically advanced that they can shift through dimensions and travel into outer space, doesn't that make aliens at the very least equally likely? Where did they get this technology from, and if they can create space-warping technology from scratch using their own brains (which seems doubtful, since most of them are f-ing idiots), don't you think aliens on other planets may have developed the same technology?

I don't see how people have enough information to make a supposition one way or the other, and to assume seems somewhat dangerous. What if the reason the aliens looked human is because the aliens created humans? I mean, there are so many angles to think about here, all equally as likely as the next, I don't get why people make up their minds on this.

Hey don't read me wrong, I am open to the 'real' aliens-were-here thing. However, I believe that the first reports of the initial Contactee's (1950's) were mostly honest, and they were pretty consistent with these findings:

1. The 'aliens' were almost completely 'human' looking, apart from a tendency to show enlarged craniums, many were very tall and almost too 'Aryan' to be accident -I think they were showing they were into gene manipulation and/or eugenics to get like that.

2. Further to my belief about gene manipulation, they often discussed the superiority of their GM crops, and the hi-protein potatoes were the first example that came off my memory (again this was in the ‘50’s)

3. There was no 'bug-eyed grey' with them. This leads me to believe the bug-eyed greys are a new thing, and possibly a hybrid or even a drone cyborg made by these 'seperatists'.

To buttress my beliefs, it is notable that we (us humans) are on the verge of some pretty amazing, often questionable, experiments with gene manipulation. Once again, 'technology tracking' as I mentioned earlier -these 'separatists' as I label them, had tech 50-60 years before we did. Although proof is tenuous just now, I also think 'we' now have anti-gravity (used by black triangles) which again is at least becoming more obvious 50-odd years' later once again.

The reason I bang the drum about keeping an open mind on this, is that if I am right, the whole 'alien' thing was a colossal ruse, which suggests 'they' whoever they turn to be, are devious and possibly malignant towards 'us'. We need to be on our guard, that’s all.

[thirdwave]

You shouldn't need to be spoon-fed the facts.

until you decide to tell him who speaks sense and who does not?

[thirdwave]

Also notice you people have wasted 9 pages of your time on a disinfo agent. This is intentional; this is how the PTB stop any real action. It's all a diversion.

when you post stuff like that You do not come across as a very good practising Christian because you do not follow all the 10 commandments...

You have no evidence at all that he is a disinfo Agent.... you simply do not agree with his works or find them to be on the mark.... as others do.

Yet you have no problem labelling him (and many others) this way.

all you have is a video made up of him with no facts presented ... just nit picking at his works....

you could quite easily be accusing someone of something horrid and getting it totally wrong, though you do not seem in the slightest bit bothered by this.

Would you care to comment on my comments regarding the possibility of secret society letting certain info out ... as it is not exactly done in a way that hits the masses at the heart.

You seem to cut off from so many possibilities just because you seem to treasure this one possibility which supports your dogmatic faith.

in what way do you think JM is damaging people?

[tesla]

Back to the Videos in question..

JM said he as TB of data on the subject.

I wouldn't mind sifting through that..

[lynfowars]

Agreed, I bet working with AJ this upcoming video will rock 'n roll

[thirdwave]

Back to the Videos in question..

JM said he as TB of data on the subject.

I wouldn't mind sifting through that..

TB?

[tesla]

Terabytes

[novymir]

This is not about Jordan Maxwell. It matters not the source of the information, all that matters is whether there is truth to it.
And there is. He's just beginning to fully grasp the other-dimensional aspect(which is what is really scaring him). Actually both he and Jones(check the part where he says religious people are not worshipping what they think they are worshipping) impressed me with their progress compared to the last time I paid any attention to them, it's been a couple years. Though Jones still adds his qualifiers about the "supernatural", for those more closed-minded or fearful. The "supernatural"? Haha, It IS what IS, and it's everywhere.

If you wanna get clued in to the "cosmic proportions" Maxwell is talking about(but may not fully understand yet), check this post by jonathan/adampants2007:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread328667/pg24

[thirdwave]

Terabytes

ahh ok :)

[thirdwave]

This is not about Jordan Maxwell. It matters not the source of the information, all that matters is whether there is truth to it.
And there is. He's just beginning to fully grasp the other-dimensional aspect(which is what is really scaring him). Actually both he and Jones(check the part where he says religious people are not worshipping what they think they are worshipping) impressed me with their progress compared to the last time I paid any attention to them, it's been a couple years. Though Jones still adds his qualifiers about the "supernatural", for those more closed-minded or fearful. The "supernatural"? Haha, It IS what IS, and it's everywhere.

If you wanna get clued in to the "cosmic proportions" Maxwell is talking about(but may not fully understand yet), check this post by jonathan/adampants2007:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread328667/pg24

well i know many think AJ is an "Agent" ..and so on... but at least he is a Christian that although can still be limited in what he can intake he is at least understands the religion needs to be looked at closer, even if he does have his faith..

[baron von lotsov]

This is not about Jordan Maxwell. It matters not the source of the information.


It does when it comes from a convicted fraudster.

[thirdwave]

It does when it comes from a convicted fraudster.

And God has just ticked another sin box in his Baron book.

[novymir]

It does when it comes from a convicted fraudster.

Pot calling the kettle black alert!
Your post quote of me and your response is dishonest and misleading.

If you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater go ahead, it's your choice. I will state it again, "It matters not the source of the information, all that matters is whether there is truth to it."
You avoid dealing with the info and instead focus on the person, that's the same modus-operandi as the enemies of Truth. Standard political hogwash, side-stepping, ad-hominin.

[drakul]

Maybe Maxwell just realized who he has been serving all this time with his lies about all savior gods being the same. but he's too afraid to really come out and say it.

And or maybe Maxwell is just desperate for attention -`Guess what people I just found out this terrible shocking news - we're all gonna DIE'.

Yes Maxwell you're right...

[baron von lotsov]

Maybe Maxwell just realized who he has been serving all this time with his lies about all savior gods being the same. but he's too afraid to really come out and say it.

And or maybe Maxwell is just desperate for attention -`Guess what people I just found out this terrible shocking news - we're all gonna DIE'.

Yes Maxwell you're right...


He knows that if he screws up the NWO won't continue to employ him. Like Tsarion he is obviously feeling a bit of a chill wind now.

[drakul]

He knows that if he screws up the NWO won't continue to employ him. Like Tsarion he is obviously feeling a bit of a chill wind now.

Exactly right - his Masters will dump Maxwell.

Bit of a chill wind? What do you mean by that?

[thirdwave]

people have been saying this for years, and I have just seen Tsarion come out with his bes video yet... and Maxwell looks more to be making a come back more than a exit... there are so many dunbunk vids because of the progress they make.... they would not be there unless they were making good waves... And I offer them all my support and will advise their works to my friends and family.

of course those living in the land of ignorance will think they are feeling the chill.

what makes me laugh and what highlights the pure monty python style comedy of it all.

Is you people will make the elite to be the most powerful and controlling people in the universe, there is no stone un turned where you will find their control....

Yet when it comes to history and religion then all of a sudden there is this gospel truth and picture of clarity. So much so that this all powerful elite have to rely on researchers who have managed to kick off a vibe on the underground internet... and have only even had the slightest inpacked in the last 5 - 10 years....

Why was this "False" knowledge not been passed on through the mighty institutions of the elite long ago?

and its quite clear to see how religion works on people, when their one faith has lead them to believe that every researcher that doubts the truth of their god, every one of them that table many different perspectives of truth for people to conclude them selves, are in fact branded as evil people, and this is all based on their beloved old scriptures that they where simply introduced to by the very institutions they claim to warn people about...... I think that speaks for its self.

Can anyone here tell us what damage Tsarion or Maxwell does to people.... or what they do to none Christians?

[drakul]

TW - you speak of `FALSE KNOWLEDGE'. Tsarion, Acharya, Maxwell etc all claim that the Egyptian god HORUS was `CRUCIFIED'. Where is the evidence? Where is the proof of that? Maxwell et al certainly don't bother to provide any. And yet the Egyptians left MILLIONS of artifacts, but not one picture of a crucified Horus??? If that were true it should be all over their religious art, just like Christ on the cross is all over ours.

And this is just one example of the FALSE KNOWLEDGE which your chosen elite actively promote via their clumsy propaganda films such as Zeitgeist.

[thirdwave]

TW - you speak of `FALSE KNOWLEDGE'. Tsarion, Acharya, Maxwell etc all claim that the Egyptian god HORUS was `CRUCIFIED'. Where is the evidence? Where is the proof of that?

what would be needed to be good enough evidence for you?


first of all, all of those people you have mentioned did not come up with that theory... they simply researched it from other researchers from down the years.....Godfrey Higgins (1771-1834), Gerald Massey (1828-1907) and Alvin Boyd Kuhn (1880-1963)... ones whom at the time where completely ignored and very much underground.... people who researched the texts and hylogryphics and came to different conclusions than those who done so and rubber stamped their truth and passed it on to the education systems which taught you what the "truth" was...

The people you have mentioned have simply supported the theory and you people call them liars and crooks because of it :rolleyes:

You have to look at what you are doing... there is clearly an official story which you are in love with and would fight tooth and nail to uphold...

Now, is it not kind of obvious that anyone who come out with the claim that Horus was nailed to a tree as Jesus was is not useing the official "knowledge" and there for it is very easy to google through official sources and say "see look", its not true"

Its simply ignorance at the idea...

If these authors are so corrupt and apart of the "agenda" then why have they been so silenced and ignored for so many years??... why where these authors not given huge coverage and attention?.... its not as if they would not have had the stepping stones if they are working for the elite!

for me I have read there stuff and simply feel there is truth there, it does not seem far fetched to me or logical.. and I see no harm in it WHAT SO EVER.... other than people like you not wanting others to doubt your messiah..... if if perfectly happy people do so.



Maxwell et al certainly don't bother to provide any. And yet the Egyptians left MILLIONS of artifacts, but not one picture of a crucified Horus???

How do you know?? the vast magorty of them were destoryed... along with all the other ancient stuff.... and any new discovery within Egyptolagy was covered up and then permitted....

Why ask me why we are supposed to think that no artefacts exist to support any of this... have a read here and see the suspicions brought up

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7726378/The-Companion-Guide-to-Zeitgeist-eBook

again I ask, if the elite are so damn powerful then why is it is as you would put it, so hard to prove this stuff... if they really wanted everyone to believe this would they not be able to orchestrate something a bit more effective?


If that were true it should be all over their religious art, just like Christ on the cross is all over ours.

lol, so now there is no attempt to cover up Christ?... its way out in the open... funny how when Christ shines through every institution its the power of Christ.... when something else's raises its head... its the evil elite trying to cause trouble....

You also nit pick at the little things are are not addressed as "official" info... but there is so much more info out there that is perfectly tangible... those this is just branded as trickery by Satan... or you all of a sudden admit that the bible has been fucked with... and of course the story of Horus is as clear as the day light sky... :rolleyes:

And this is just one example of the FALSE KNOWLEDGE which your chosen elite actively promote via their clumsy propaganda films such as Zeitgeist.

Well if the elite can only cunger these people up then we got nothing to worry about right? ... its not like Obama is going to have Tsarion as his no2!

[comawhite015]

OK so what did he actually say on the inverview? I'm speedcapped right now and can't watch any YouTube videos -_-.

Something going to happen in February or March or something?

[baron von lotsov]

Exactly right - his Masters will dump Maxwell.

Bit of a chill wind? What do you mean by that?

The public's reaction to bullshit.

[thirdwave]

The public's reaction to bullshit.

Is that why Jesus Christ is in most comedy scripts now ?

[drakul]

Is that why Jesus Christ is in most comedy scripts now ?

If true, (I don't think it is), that's because the media/hollywood/entertainers are OWNED by the PTB. (as you already know of course)

[thirdwave]

If true, (I don't think it is), that's because the media/hollywood/entertainers are OWNED by the PTB. (as you already know of course)


But here we see your limited perception... you don't know who is and who is not owned by the PTB.... we know that most of them people are manipualted by them and many involved with them.... but you dont know what all of their agendas or personal lives are, but you seem to have a judgment based on that lack of knowledge.

and if they are all owed then they would have also been owned 20-40-80 years ago...so on.... where it would have been a big no no to make a joke out of Jesus on TV or Radio... what's changed?

ahhh, people.

[csiwembley]

Jordan Maxwell Collection [CSI][h33t] (http://www.h33t.com/details.php?id=076656b766007c7931f9d9e9a6392e525ba e3c2a) :D

[drakul]

But here we see your limited perception... you don't know who is and who is not owned by the PTB.... we know that most of them people are manipualted by them and many involved with them.... but you dont know what all of their agendas or personal lives are, but you seem to have a judgment based on that lack of knowledge.

and if they are all owed then they would have also been owned 20-40-80 years ago...so on.... where it would have been a big no no to make a joke out of Jesus on TV or Radio... what's changed?

ahhh, people.

Particularly during the last 20 years, the media has become almost totally controlled and biased.

[endlessvista]

The only newspapers I bother with are the free local ones. There is real news in them which the national and international ones do not have. Did I mention they are FREE!

The local free one around my way the unsold small ads had 'infowars.com' and 'davidicke.com' in them rather than blank spaces. I guess the typesetter or ad editor is into this stuff. Was amazed to see that. You won't find that in the Irish Times!

[father ted]

Great interview,
I think Alex Jones has become a VERY good interviewer, I stayed off him for a long while untill one of Icke's appearances last year. He used to be very christian orientated.

Jordan didn't actually say much, but Alex made the best of it.

[lightgiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTrL2-ocqKc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEy9V50Lgcw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we0P0sDC-Yc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNpIDqF3e88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9-6RTwM1tM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lER0TLXuoNk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGHsTbvI0ZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF_5NEsLQzY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i9j27UtgKU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LggUDiozJB0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBI8-bDxqSk

back in the day over 15 years ago this man told the world some things that did not stir well in some cases.. for others, the age of awakening could not begin any sooner.. we can now relate to some "happenings" throughout the world since this was taped..please take the time to watch.. good info. :)

[kingmob]

So is there any update on what JM was trying to show Alex Jones? Did he ever pass that power point presentation?

[father ted]

So is there any update on what JM was trying to show Alex Jones? Did he ever pass that power point presentation?

I think he's a bit distracted: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72923

Here's the link: http://spacebound2012.blogspot.com/2009/07/jordan-maxwell-update.html

[kingmob]

I think he's a bit distracted: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72923

Here's the link: http://spacebound2012.blogspot.com/2009/07/jordan-maxwell-update.html

Thanks. That doesn't look good.

[karol2020]

Yeah, I have been curious about his developments on this matter he made in january, he seemed really worried. But is it true his website has been highjacked? and what is this of his brother kidnapped?


A bad thing of maxwell is that he doenst maintain his site updated, he seems to disappear for a big time, without giving news, so we dont know what he is up too. Icke, for the other hand, has this good point of keep his site updated all days...

[mrhumble]

Tho I have been a member of this forum for over a year this is my first post, as I have spent the last year just reading reading and reading lol.

I have been listening to Jordan Maxwell, M Tsarion, David Icke,AJ and Bill Cooper for over 12 years or so. Majority of the information are related to the same topic, it is just the way they each present it.

I think Thirdwave is right on about some people think JM is a liar because most of what he says challenge the average person belief.

Heres what i think, if he is a liar then all the symbolims exposed by him are also lies , which by the way have been backed up by ICKE, Cooper, AJ etc. If he is also a disinfo agent then IMO Icke,Cooper and they all are considering that they all speak about Religion, Freemasonry etc.

Also people here say that Bill Cooper lashed out at JM and a few others. If this is true (which i am not saying its not) then i think you guys should listen to Bill Cooper interviewing Jordan Maxwell. And according to this interview Bill Copper sounds to actually RESPECT JM. Also Bill Cooper said JM research have paralleled his research. So if you believe Bill Cooper and not believe JM then IMO it may be personal and your choosing you just dont like JM.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5315286351751507601&ei=X6KiSu7rCpbWrQLUlrzvBA&q=bill+cooper+and+jordan+maxwell#

thats the link to the interview by the way and you can hear Cooper agreeing to what JM is saying and confirming what he is saying.

Now i am not saying that everything this man says is 100%, and the same with all of them. But he ALWAYS ALWAYS advise to "Do your homework". Do your own research. I have watched a few of the debunking videos, and most of the folks that do these videos are christians and of other religious beliefs. And you CANNOT see things fairly for what they are if you include religion.

All i am saying is, for those of you that have never watched a JM video you need to do so BEFORE you criticize the man as he is saying some of the same things others are saying, just a bit longer. And you cannot watch a video of him on youtube and think you have seen a JM video. Everyone is also entitled to their opinions and i wont argue but i am just presenting a logical standpoint for others to look at. You all have a great day.

[xx_black_sage_xx]

I've listened to a LITTLE bit of Maxwell and Tsarion. I've also listened a lot and read a lot of WIlliam COoper. I read Coopers book "Behold a Pale Horse". Very good stuff.

I think all this points to E.T.'s though. I'm definitely convinced there are E.T.'s, and they've been visiting our planet for some time now.

Look back at your history. I don't even think the Ancient Mayans were even human. They were way more advanced than us. Mayan rulers wore a crown or headdress that covered their heads, which also could have disguised a coneheaded shaped skull. Same way with the Pharaohs.

http://www.thetruthishere.com/sitebuilder/images/mayan-jedi-581x1149.jpg

Here is an Illustration of the Atef crown worn by Egyptian Pharoahs, and a picture of the cone-headed shaped skull that may have also been disguised.

http://www.thetruthishere.com/sitebuilder/images/conehead-profile-229x249.jpg

http://www.thetruthishere.com/sitebuilder/images/atef-208x249.jpg

If E.T.'s are trying to enslave us ( history repeats itself ), then it should be part of a divine plan. They do much evil, to balance things out..because it will only help us to spiritually..I believe spirituality is very real. You can never die, your part of a universal mind, and your soul/consciousness/awareness is infinite..it's energy. Spirituality has been kept hidden and/or discredited. Anybody read that Hidden_Hand post on abovetopsecret, "Window of Opportunity"?

If the plane concept is real ( 7 layers of astral planes ), then the Entities that do the evil must be like 6th or 7th density beings coming here to do evil, to help us spiritually.

This here is the Hidden_Hand thread. Very interesting and makes a lot of sense. There are no coincidences, everything, happens for a reason. It's not the money and power that they want...they have plenty of it.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1

I'm not saying i believe that blindly, I just have an open mind, and it is interesting.

But whatever happens, just know you are infinite, and you cannot die. They use fear of death to manipulate and control us. I say that because the next couple of years look very dark and cold.

[firstlook]

Project Camelot has recently filmed a three hour video of Maxwell. Apparently he talks about his new information in this interview. Should be available within the next week.


peace

[fekdemasons]

"and most of the folks that do these videos are christians and of other religious beliefs. And you CANNOT see things fairly for what they are if you include religion. "

Never a truer word spoken. Great post !! :)

[funkyjesus]

Project Camelot has recently filmed a three hour video of Maxwell. Apparently he talks about his new information in this interview. Should be available within the next week.


peace

I hope so. I've not found ANYTHING since he said he'd make a DVD with Alex Jones.

I've wanted to find out more because over all these many, many years, Jordan Maxwell is not a man to hype something up without reason and from what he said on Alex Jones - he seems to have some big information.

[thirdwave]

I don't get how he tells us that there is an entity coming to earth that the elite are anticipating... well how does he know this?

I know he is meant to be a bit skint... i wonder if its just a bit of publicity..

:confused:

[killuminatiday]

it amazes me how gullible and downright pathetic some of you really are. JM is a vague evasive weasel. anyone who presents real truth for your sake would never and should never use the holy than thou tone he uses. its disgustingly obvious to me that this guy is an attention whore. every interview I have ever listened to with him the interviewer will ask a question and all JM ever says is "I dont want to get into that now" or "we will get into that off air". he likes to stroke his ego by pretending that people out there want him dead and likes to act like he should be scared puuuhlease get fuckin real. guess what you life nits if someone is walking around talking true bad shit about nwo or illuminati or tptb then they will get rid of him one way or another u can believe that. it would not be hard at all for tptb to give him cancer or an accident a long time ago before he became as big as people like to give him credit for, only reason he still alive is because tptb know he is full of shit and prolly doing them a favor by putting people on the wrong track. before you squirrely lil buggers start thinkin im an agent or disinfo or whatever some of u crackpots would call it u should just realize Im not for obvious reasons and that Im tired of lies from terds like jordan aka pizza the hut maxwell. end rant

[firstlook]

it amazes me how gullible and downright pathetic some of you really are. JM is a vague evasive weasel. anyone who presents real truth for your sake would never and should never use the holy than thou tone he uses. its disgustingly obvious to me that this guy is an attention whore. every interview I have ever listened to with him the interviewer will ask a question and all JM ever says is "I dont want to get into that now" or "we will get into that off air". he likes to stroke his ego by pretending that people out there want him dead and likes to act like he should be scared puuuhlease get fuckin real. guess what you life nits if someone is walking around talking true bad shit about nwo or illuminati or tptb then they will get rid of him one way or another u can believe that. it would not be hard at all for tptb to give him cancer or an accident a long time ago before he became as big as people like to give him credit for, only reason he still alive is because tptb know he is full of shit and prolly doing them a favor by putting people on the wrong track. before you squirrely lil buggers start thinkin im an agent or disinfo or whatever some of u crackpots would call it u should just realize Im not for obvious reasons and that Im tired of lies from terds like jordan aka pizza the hut maxwell. end rant

I guess we all deal with this situation in different ways. The best thing you can do in life at this point in history, is to wish the best for people.

"The pain we carry through life is equal to the love were afraid to express." -Alex Collier

[thirdwave]

it amazes me how gullible and downright pathetic some of you really are. JM is a vague evasive weasel. anyone who presents real truth for your sake would never and should never use the holy than thou tone he uses. its disgustingly obvious to me that this guy is an attention whore. every interview I have ever listened to with him the interviewer will ask a question and all JM ever says is "I dont want to get into that now" or "we will get into that off air". he likes to stroke his ego by pretending that people out there want him dead and likes to act like he should be scared puuuhlease get fuckin real. guess what you life nits if someone is walking around talking true bad shit about nwo or illuminati or tptb then they will get rid of him one way or another u can believe that. it would not be hard at all for tptb to give him cancer or an accident a long time ago before he became as big as people like to give him credit for, only reason he still alive is because tptb know he is full of shit and prolly doing them a favor by putting people on the wrong track. before you squirrely lil buggers start thinkin im an agent or disinfo or whatever some of u crackpots would call it u should just realize Im not for obvious reasons and that Im tired of lies from terds like jordan aka pizza the hut maxwell. end rant

While I agree he is coming out with odd stuff, there could be a number of explanations, You condemning him like this is no different to his claims.

[firstlook]

I have just finished watching Jordan in his interview with Kerry, Bill, and David.
I love this man. That said, his final statement in the interview, the very final words, is why we gather in these forums, read these topics, and reach into ourselves.

If a Fight is comming, I think more people, then ever in history, are equipped with the knowledge and inspiration for Love to make a stand that is more powerful then we all might know yet. Intuition and Self trust are our weapons. Thats what the other side doesnt have and are scared of us using.

Thats about all I have to say about that.

peace

PS. Jordan is a Highly Intelligent and practiced mentor.

[funkyjesus]

The Jordan Maxwell interview with Project Camelot is one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life. It's brutal in its open and honest approach.

His blunt honesty in that we've gone too far and we are totally fucked is a refreshing approach from a man who pretty much gave birth to all of this.

You know he is right too, he says it himself - we are a niche area of humanity. We aren't even a percentage of the population nevermind a large percentage.

I sincerely hope I am wrong and that Jordan is too but - be honest, does anyone see any improvements or signs of hope over the last several years?

There are none because we can't be saved. "The light at the end of the tunnel is a train" sums it up perfectly.

[kappy0405]

I sincerely hope I am wrong and that Jordan is too but - be honest, does anyone see any improvements or signs of hope over the last several years?

unfortunately, no... but that's because the truth movement as a whole is extremely lazy. We prefer to sit online and bicker all day instead of passing out leaflets and organizing massive street demonstrations that will actually wake up people. We are screwed unless we all come together and make a dedicated effort to spread the word. There's still hope, but it's fading quickly.

[cruise4]

Incredible stuff. Thanks Jordon and Project camelot. :D

[funkyjesus]

unfortunately, no... but that's because the truth movement as a whole is extremely lazy. We prefer to sit online and bicker all day instead of passing out leaflets and organizing massive street demonstrations that will actually wake up people. We are screwed unless we all come together and make a dedicated effort to spread the word. There's still hope, but it's fading quickly.

None of that will do anything. We had worldwide marches with literally millions of people against the Iraq War - nothing happened.

I walk past people in the street who try to give me leaflets - that certainly won't help.

We've had major celebrities come out with 9/11 and general conspiracy comments - that hasn't helped.

NOTHING is working, people do not want to wake up because they quite like the world. This is what Jordan Maxwell is saying, people are CHOOSING ignorance and stupidity and we have lost the fight.

All we can hope for is a quick, painless death or an alien rapture to take all awakened people to a nicer world, lol. I say lol but it really isn't funny.

[thirdwave]

The Jordan Maxwell interview with Project Camelot is one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life. It's brutal in its open and honest approach.

His blunt honesty in that we've gone too far and we are totally fucked is a refreshing approach from a man who pretty much gave birth to all of this.

You know he is right too, he says it himself - we are a niche area of humanity. We aren't even a percentage of the population nevermind a large percentage.

I sincerely hope I am wrong and that Jordan is too but - be honest, does anyone see any improvements or signs of hope over the last several years?

There are none because we can't be saved. "The light at the end of the tunnel is a train" sums it up perfectly.


That was a good speech he gave..

I am waiting for the onslaught of attacks though after his closing comment..

"for those who go around telling everyone is a Jewish conspiracy and its all the Jews.... your wrong... its all the Vatican, the Vatican is where it is"

something like that...

[funkyjesus]

He isn't taking blame away from individual Jewish people - he just doesn't feel it is a grand Jewish conspiracy that is run solely by them, for them.

I happen to agree with him but many people on this forum are not inclined to think that way.

[kappy0405]

None of that will do anything...

I walk past people in the street who try to give me leaflets - that certainly won't help.

We've had major celebrities come out with 9/11 and general conspiracy comments - that hasn't helped.

NOTHING is working, people do not want to wake up because they quite like the world. This is what Jordan Maxwell is saying, people are CHOOSING ignorance and stupidity and we have lost the fight.

that's because we aren't out there actually trying to wake people up. They still like the world because they aren't aware of the manipulation behind it. I would wager that no more than 1% of the active posters on this forum actually attend demonstrations/protests and routinely pass out leaflets. I agree with you and JM that people don't want the truth, but that's a direct result of our inactivity imo. And those million-people protests against the Iraq War made a huge impact! Support for the war went from majority to minority in a matter of a few months. If we had a dedicated collective movement to spreading this information, the NWO wouldn't have a chance.

[funkyjesus]

You make a good post but I feel this leaflet fetish people in this movement have has to stop.

If someone stops you in town and tries to give you a leaflet - you walk past them 9 times of out 10 and the other time you run past them. Why would anyone stop for a leaflet from someone who, to someone who is not aware of all of this, is a raving paranoid loony?

We need a more effective and frankly, less expensive method of expression than leaflets or handing out DVD's that will go straight in the bin. God knows what though.

*EDIT - I have video of an anti-war rally I went on posted on my YouTube channel so ha, I am so marchy in the towny :-p*