I don't think I believe in reptilians anymore

[siphon880di]

Hey guys

I don't know how I should take in this conspiracy stuff anymore. I'm convinced that the whole grey-reptilian alien thing is fake even though I've seen them before I found out they were aliens and about David Icke.

From what I experienced lately, I've figured that this reptoid thing is just a "mutated meme". A meme is a thought that you come up with after thinking it extensively enough. Then at some point it'd become mutated - then it becomes self-aware. That mutated meme is a self-aware thought-construct that now lives in the astral realm.

I noticed the reptilian experiences started after I believed in the New Age ascended masters which are basically "extraterresterial aliens". It seems because I believed in aliens that the mutated memes went after me. It's through sex and emotions (fear in this case) that feeds these mutated memes. They have to self-sustain themselves.

Think about it. There were scarce accounts of greys in the ancient world, then none of them appeared. Did they find another planet to get biological substances? Then since the Roswell crash, and the UFO craze from the media, they appeared much more frequently. Reptilians, on the other hand, probably appeared since ancient times - being associated with demons from the ground and from the skies. The bible has some stories from the Sumerians. Once the Chinese and other civilizations believed in extraterresterials, they see their own versions of serpent demons and serpent extraterresterials, but they are less of a perfect replicate. So as you've gotten further from Sumerian, the reptilians look more and more different.

The probing I got during sleep paralysis, was part of their mutated memes. It's what people associated that they would do, so they do that. That lets them put small memes in you that controls you even more in a way that sustains themselves. They might be astral or "physical" (a physical artifact that if you open up makes no sense technologically).

They have mutated enough that they became physical. The physical and astral worlds are not too different because you can go between the two and even do magick to influence one world and the other. We believed in aliens being able to interface with the physical world.

Whatever the case is, if they're real or not, they don't cause sleep paralysis for me anymore. I've found the right binaural beats that manipulates the brainwaves before I go to sleep with my ipod on (uncompressed wav format). It seems to block out the usual nightmares and sleep paralysis that's cased by the mutated memes (=self aware memes = thought contructs) of reptilians and greys.

I'm beginning to think that all ghosts, spirits, good or bad, that I've seen, are also thought constructs by those who were superstitious, or caused a lot of emotional charge into the environment (then the ghost isn't themselves). And the white light thing? Who knows - it could be a mutated meme of heaven since christianity is very popular.

As for my psychic awareness that I use to have, that was that. Now my research into how I can change situations in my life must continue. I'm able to effectively change my body temperature, make it feel lighter, or make it feel hotter, and I'm able to attract synchronicities about random stuff that I enjoy. All this has nothing to do with aliens, but the fact that I know I was psychically aware. But I believe I am taking a leave from reptilians.

Last night I had a dream that a reptilian told me I was actually a shapeshifter, then he projected some sort of energy at me, and I shapeshifted into a reptilian form being. This is because I picked up on a meme on this board by being here too long and conversing with shapeshifters. I'm sure they really are shapeshifters if their meme becomes strong enough. By believing in that reptilian, I'd undoubtingly sustain the mutated meme.

Today, while I was meditating as usual (which was how I developed my ability to change my body temperature, etc), I had an enlightened experience that entails this information.

I'll choose not to believe in the NWO or the year 2012 so that the mutated meme will not be strong enough to interface with the physical world. I am going to take advantage of this knowledge that people have created collective mutated memes.

I'm sorry for anyone that I offended. I no longer believe in the NWO or the reptilians. It's time to return to a normal life now.

Take cares.

[twistedconcept]

Hey guys

I don't know how I should take in this conspiracy stuff anymore. I'm convinced that the whole grey-reptilian alien thing is fake even though I've seen them before I found out they were aliens and about David Icke.

From what I experienced lately, I've figured that this reptoid thing is just a "mutated meme". A meme is a thought that you come up with after thinking it extensively enough. Then at some point it'd become mutated - then it becomes self-aware. That mutated meme is a self-aware thought-construct that now lives in the astral realm.

I noticed the reptilian experiences started after I believed in the New Age ascended masters which are basically "extraterresterial aliens". It seems because I believed in aliens that the mutated memes went after me. It's through sex and emotions (fear in this case) that feeds these mutated memes. They have to self-sustain themselves.

Think about it. There were scarce accounts of greys in the ancient world, then none of them appeared. Did they find another planet to get biological substances? Then since the Roswell crash, and the UFO craze from the media, they appeared much more frequently. Reptilians, on the other hand, probably appeared since ancient times - being associated with demons from the ground and from the skies. The bible has some stories from the Sumerians. Once the Chinese and other civilizations believed in extraterresterials, they see their own versions of serpent demons and serpent extraterresterials, but they are less of a perfect replicate. So as you've gotten further from Sumerian, the reptilians look more and more different.

The probing I got during sleep paralysis, was part of their mutated memes. It's what people associated that they would do, so they do that. That lets them put small memes in you that controls you even more in a way that sustains themselves. They might be astral or "physical" (a physical artifact that if you open up makes no sense technologically).

They have mutated enough that they became physical. The physical and astral worlds are not too different because you can go between the two and even do magick to influence one world and the other. We believed in aliens being able to interface with the physical world.

Whatever the case is, if they're real or not, they don't cause sleep paralysis for me anymore. I've found the right binaural beats that manipulates the brainwaves before I go to sleep with my ipod on (uncompressed wav format). It seems to block out the usual nightmares and sleep paralysis that's cased by the mutated memes (=self aware memes = thought contructs) of reptilians and greys.

I'm beginning to think that all ghosts, spirits, good or bad, that I've seen, are also thought constructs by those who were superstitious, or caused a lot of emotional charge into the environment (then the ghost isn't themselves). And the white light thing? Who knows - it could be a mutated meme of heaven since christianity is very popular.

As for my psychic awareness that I use to have, that was that. Now my research into how I can change situations in my life must continue. I'm able to effectively change my body temperature, make it feel lighter, or make it feel hotter, and I'm able to attract synchronicities about random stuff that I enjoy. All this has nothing to do with aliens, but the fact that I know I was psychically aware. But I believe I am taking a leave from reptilians.

Last night I had a dream that a reptilian told me I was actually a shapeshifter, then he projected some sort of energy at me, and I shapeshifted into a reptilian form being. This is because I picked up on a meme on this board by being here too long and conversing with shapeshifters. I'm sure they really are shapeshifters if their meme becomes strong enough. By believing in that reptilian, I'd undoubtingly sustain the mutated meme.

Today, while I was meditating as usual (which was how I developed my ability to change my body temperature, etc), I had an enlightened experience that entails this information.

I'll choose not to believe in the NWO or the year 2012 so that the mutated meme will not be strong enough to interface with the physical world. I am going to take advantage of this knowledge that people have created collective mutated memes.

I'm sorry for anyone that I offended. I no longer believe in the NWO or the reptilians. It's time to return to a normal life now.

Take cares.

What would you define as a "normal" life? Screw accepted standards.

I don't believe in reptilians because I've never seen one. It doesn't mean they don't exist. I know that the New World Order exists, as there's plenty of evidence to prove the agenda.

[croatiancoffee]

Seeing is believing, regards reptiles. But what you see can easily be explained.

I guess it all comes down to belief in the end. ;)


Wish you well.

[rhydra]

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence but you always should do what you want to do, don't be influenced by others, believe what you believe and only do what you feel comfortable doing. Good luck.

[michael christopher]

This is an extremely interesting concept, and it may be the key that bridges the 3D and the 4D. I do think reptilians may be "mutated memes" as you have stated, that have taken on a life of their own. I don't know if they exist on a physical level or not, although I certainly believe it's possible.

I do have a question, however - if you believe these things have taken on the capability to influence the 4D and 3D world, then how could you say that they don't exist, even if human beings have made them up? In a similar way, I think that humans have "invented" Pleidians, but they are real, merely future 5D projections of ourselves. They are real, in the 5D where thought-forms become integrated with original individuals, just the same as reptilians. Perhaps these different archetypes, once embraced, help us to better explain human nature. The same lessons can be learned whether one believes in reptilians/aliens or not, but personally my identification with these archetypal beings has helped me to better understand myself. They may or may not be 3D real, but they are real enough to me.

I do totally understand what you are saying, and I do think that perhaps reptilian energy is in fact, entirely human and merely distorted/masked. I think reptilians are the extreme dark aspect of humanity, although I am not saying evil. There are plenty of benevolent reptilian entities (supposedly) who understand the importance of darkness as a teacher. Are these multiple personalities existing within the collective consciousness of humanity, that possess human bodies? Or do we make them up as individuals, and let these new personalities control us? Who can say. I think you have had a great insight, even if I don't agree with your decision to act as though none of it matters. Your realization that the power of thought can create reality to such an extent that things like this become "real" in a sense is quite a shocking revelation, I don't know why you would want to return to the "normal" world knowing the power of your own mind.

[lordzoma]

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence but you always should do what you want to do, don't be influenced by others, believe what you believe and only do what you feel comfortable doing. Good luck.

That's the smartest thing you've said on this forum.

[rhydra]

Thank you. :)

[astrochicken]

I'm beginning to think that all ghosts, spirits, good or bad, that I've seen, are also thought constructs by those who were superstitious, or caused a lot of emotional charge into the environment (then the ghost isn't themselves). And the white light thing? Who knows - it could be a mutated meme of heaven since christianity is very popular.


Superstition, scary movies, horror splatter flicks all go to developing a nice big negative buffet and results in a feeding frenzy for whatever you wish to appear.

[siphon880di]

Michael and astrochicken, thanks for understanding what I wrote. I was worried people were not flexible enough to understand my experience or that I was not explaining it well.

Whether or not reptilians are archetypes or actual entities possessing people, I believe they are working harder around this time so that they can sustain themselves because less and less people are believing in them.

And who knows, 2012 might be the time some aspects of the astral realm merges with the physical world. If that's the case, the more people believe them, the more real they will become, and the more doomed we are. Or 2012 could be another meme. It depends on whether it was culture-generated or an actual prediction.

I notice that reptilians are just memes I'm feeding anyways, so I don't give them a thought to them. They might seem very real because we had a long history of focusing on them, and they've become so powerful that they might interface with the physical world (it's too bad people attribute aliens as being physical), but to me I have to believe they're fake because eventually people will mature enough to realize that they have the power to create astral programmes. Also, one person can really trickle down his beliefs to other people who trickle down to others, etc, and that is bad for human awareness in the long-run, so I'm not going to post about them as real threats.

[michael christopher]

Michael and astrochicken, thanks for understanding what I wrote. I was worried people were not flexible enough to understand my experience or that I was not explaining it well.

Whether or not reptilians are archetypes or actual entities possessing people, I believe they are working harder around this time so that they can sustain themselves because less and less people are believing in them.

And who knows, 2012 might be the time some aspects of the astral realm merges with the physical world. If that's the case, the more people believe them, the more real they will become, and the more doomed we are. Or 2012 could be another meme. It depends on whether it was culture-generated or an actual prediction.

I notice that reptilians are just memes I'm feeding anyways, so I don't give them a thought to them. They might seem very real because we had a long history of focusing on them, and they've become so powerful that they might interface with the physical world (it's too bad people attribute aliens as being physical), but to me I have to believe they're fake because eventually people will mature enough to realize that they have the power to create astral programmes. Also, one person can really trickle down his beliefs to other people who trickle down to others, etc, and that is bad for human awareness in the long-run, so I'm not going to post about them as real threats.

I respect your view entirely, I think you certainly have an elevated view of what's going on in proportion to what most people understand about the multi-dimension. However, I would say to you that I don't believe all or even most reptilian entities are negative, David Icke would say this as well. I believe many have a tradition of sharing divine knowledge through spiritual history. Anyway, as for 2012 being a meme, perhaps it is, but what is the difference between a self-aware creation and something that is "real" anyway? We are bringing these things to life by creating them, just as we were brought to life as part of another creation. We are simply learning just how powerful we are, and that we are literally creating the entire universe around us. We can control these things just like we have always believed they can control us. If we can channel our energy we can use these archetypes to teach the entire world. They are harmless in and of themselves. It is how the individual applies the various different ideas that is dangerous - which is where free will comes into play.

Are they real? Are they just completely made-up in the traditional sense? Who knows. I wish I could say for sure.

[siphon880di]

I respect your view entirely, I think you certainly have an elevated view of what's going on in proportion to what most people understand about the multi-dimension. However, I would say to you that I don't believe all or even most reptilian entities are negative, David Icke would say this as well. I believe many have a tradition of sharing divine knowledge through spiritual history. Anyway, as for 2012 being a meme, perhaps it is, but what is the difference between a self-aware creation and something that is "real" anyway? We are bringing these things to life by creating them, just as we were brought to life as part of another creation. We are simply learning just how powerful we are, and that we are literally creating the entire universe around us. We can control these things just like we have always believed they can control us. If we can channel our energy we can use these archetypes to teach the entire world. They are harmless in and of themselves. It is how the individual applies the various different ideas that is dangerous - which is where free will comes into play.

Are they real? Are they just completely made-up in the traditional sense? Who knows. I wish I could say for sure.

Fair enough about not all reptilians being bad. Some ancients refer to them with great respect for the knowledge and technology they gave. Because at that time more people believed in something external as being greater than themselves, the meme was this: good and wise reptilians offering knowledge. So you have good reptilians as well.

I use to believe that the majority of reptilians that we experience are bad reptilians. But now that I had a clear experience of memes in my meditation, I believe it is up to the individual. This does not account for experiences of bad reptilians manifesting because they were created collectively by people.

[measle_weasel]

Very interesting. So, a mutated meme, is like a renegade servitor?

[siphon880di]

Very interesting. So, a mutated meme, is like a renegade servitor?

Yep. It use to be a servitor of the imaginations of people. But when it becomes more concrete in the astral realm, it mutated to become self-aware, and goes on its independent path. I believe they hang around people who have the same beliefs to charge their memes; when they're around others, they induce feelings in hope that the people will adapt those beliefs; and, they collect energy relevant to their meme (bad reptilians collect the fear that ancient people had in imagining/storytelling about the serpents -- for example: that's why good reptilians don't need fear, they're less of a perfect replica and people did not feel fear about this concept). But universal to all memes, a sex act can charge them. That explains the sleep paralysis sex and some wet dreams they can only affect on people with strong ties to the particular memes, and the whole sex magick technique.

[michael christopher]

siphon, I made this post in my thread "the multi-dimension" in the general forum, but I think it applies to what you are saying here.

Another random thought...

I know that the imagination is the translation tool of our brains. Creativity is truly the key to understanding. Another thing I think I am starting to realize is that while the other dimensions are real, they are only "real" in the sense that they belong to another facet of reality or dimension. So these 4D beings, and 5D beings - while being able to make themselves visible at times - do not really exist in the sense that we consider them to exist. They are in another dimension. They can only communicate to us through our creative receptors, which is why channeling is so completely unreliable. Another reason channeling might be unreliable is that most people channel for the wrong reasons. They want to get a heads up, or answers to questions they haven't made any real attempt to answer themselves, and these negative initial intentions, however positive the channeler believes them to be, attracts negative entities that think it's hilarious to make us make fools of ourselves, or to give us incorrect information for potentially a more insidious reason. But these things cannot effect us unless we pull them into our reality - this is why they need our energy, so they can become "real" here. If we just think they don't exist - which humans have been trying to do for at least a century or two - they lose their power. So our awareness of them now makes them "real" again, it gives them incentive to manifest here. This has probably been done on purpose. But because they can only communicate through our imagination, they are only a part of our imagination. Once we take this power back, and once again make these creations or potentially real entities not real here in 3D (since they shouldn't be in the first place), they completely lose their power. They can't effect us unless we give them the energy to do it - and we can manifest better things for ourselves with that energy.

So extradimensional entities aren't real here in 3D. They are only part of our imagination, unless we give them the energy to pull them into this dimension temporarily. It's very simple not to do that. I think humanity is going to go collectively insane, if these extradimensional beings are paid much more attention to. Insanity is what occurs when people let these beings which are imaginary in 3D become real to them. The only way 4D+ beings could actually do anything here on earth is if we started worshiping them again.

Just a thought!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50905&page=8

I honestly think your post about the mutated-meme idea sparked a realization within me about this whole thing. It's like you posted the missing pieces for me, the bridge between the dueling ideas I had about whether or not any of this was possible. You are really onto something and I think that your thinking with your initial post is pretty ahead of the curb! It all makes a lot more sense to me now after I see your take on the whole thing.

[siphon880di]

Hey that is so cool: what you said about applying energy matches my ideas. I didn't know someone had similar lines of thoughts before I made this thread.

But it gets complex...

There are people who said they prayed to God for the truth, and they saw reptilians. Now I know of two people who said that. Here's one of them:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=764681

You'll have to read the thread on that page.

The other person I interviewed privately. He sounded very convincing and wasn't making money out of it.

[sabre1]

There are people who said they prayed to God for the truth, and they saw reptilians.

I can't remember where this is in the bible but Jesus said when he appeared to the disciples on the third day, "Blessed are those who have not seen but believed."

The truth is going to come out very soon, whether the Illuminati like it or not.

[michael christopher]

Hey that is so cool: what you said about applying energy matches my ideas. I didn't know someone had similar lines of thoughts before I made this thread.

But it gets complex...

There are people who said they prayed to God for the truth, and they saw reptilians. Now I know of two people who said that. Here's one of them:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=764681

You'll have to read the thread on that page.

The other person I interviewed privately. He sounded very convincing and wasn't making money out of it.

I believe that the negative reptilians were originally created by the Catholic Church and are actually representatives of it, although the Church would demonize them in public. Because the Catholic Church does not really worship God but merely the demi-urge or perhaps merely itself, when people pray to God and think of Christianity or another dark religion, they aren't really praying to God. They can't be praying to God because they think the false doctrine religions are representative of a loving God and they are (clearly) not. They are praying and giving energy to demonic 4D archetypes, and these archetypes have only one interest: sustaining themselves via energy vampirism. They have to use our energy to stay alive, because they are fabrications in the first place, although many become self-aware. Perhaps the dark religions do worship the demi-urge, and perhaps it is still nothing more than a 4D archetype. I believe people become possessed by these archetypes and act out their will, and this is what we call going insane. The archetypes not only need us, but in some respect they want to be us. When they get our energy, they are merely possessing our bodies or synching with us and feeling exactly what we are feeling. I suspect these creations are everywhere, in the form of ghosts, reptilians, extradimensional entities, channels, angels, etc.

[lordreptoid]

Without a "devil", how would fearmongers attract more followers into their fold?

"Satan is the Christian church's greatest asset" (Someone rather anti-Christian)

Does this pattern play out today on another more "modern" level?

[michael christopher]

Without a "devil", how would fearmongers attract more followers into their fold?

"Satan is the Christian church's greatest asset" (Someone rather anti-Christian)

Does this pattern play out today on another more "modern" level?

Of course it does, on this forum I think reptilians have simply replaced demons. It's just a symptom of simplification - some people really don't have very complex thoughts at all.

I should clarify, I think there is a difference between actual reptilians and these false archetypal creations. The self-aware creations are energy vampires because they have no idea how to create their own energy - which is the obstacle that keeps them from becoming "real." I believe that real 4D reptilians exist as well and are not necessarily energy vampires. I think the reptilian energetic force is a great teacher, extremely ancient and wise. The gross over-simplification of it on this forum is kind of bizarre, I see people understand the problems with Christianity, but simply transfer them to new belief systems without realizing it.

Regarding "the devil" - I think people created this 4D archetype because it allows them to reflect on evil without seeing their own faces. "Satan" is within each one of us, just as "God" is.

[lordreptoid]

Very wise posting/sharing with us, Michael.

I believe that real 4D reptilians exist as well and are not necessarily energy vampires. I think the reptilian energetic force is a great teacher, extremely ancient and wise.

On that thought I shall add that both are very real as far as I can see/experience. Some are, some are not... whatever the expression. Too diverse to wrap most minds around, like the actual range of whale hearing, larger than any human range from far lower to far higher... that's what happens with being so ancient dating back to the first creations ever expressed. :) (Yes, I know it seems odd for me to say that, but I've only spoken about balance, never one side alone, even when it seems otherwise. I conclude as much as possible that there's all kinds out there and how to approach them with heart/balance and protect one's self if one wishes to escape one of them who offends the viewer. - That fact even got me "banned" from Pam Stonebrooke's book - That there's more than one expression of reptoids out there and yes some are down-right nasty in attitude while others are angelic saint activists to assist us all in some way)

Just to make things "worse" there are obviously human thought-form creations as well. Nice and confusing, isn't it? Heh heh. :)