The chemtrailers out in force again today!

[thetruthseeker]

Wednesday 21st January. The chemtrailers are out in force again today over the Manchester area. Clear blue sky this morning by mid afternoon complete cloud cover. Criss cross patterns, long trails, wispy trails, the lot all lingering for hours of course!! like they do, but hey nothing to worry about the government will tell us, it doesn't wash anymore!!. I started to suffer intestinal cramps and headaches today as I have eaten nothing that would have caused these symptoms there is only one explanation, I will let you figure it out.
We shall see if any epidemics occur over the next few days from this spraying. the last time we had an epidemic in 1998/99 winter season there were apparently 8000 deaths from what was officially caused by flu when in fact it was some unknown pathogen in the air(Hmmm!! wonder where it came from?) as flu rarely kills, it's pneumonia that kills. but hey nothing to worry about the government takes care of it's citizens and takes advice from eminent song sheet scientists that are hear to advise and protect us uninformed sheep as if some of us don't know the game.
You bastards:mad:will be defeated and all your evil for committing horrendous crimes to humanity for centuries and throughout the 20th century with eugenics programs, manipulated wars and world wars that killed 200 million people world wide, your time is running out you will be defeated and I am making sure nearly everybody I meet knows the truth about what is really happening and who is responsible. You THE NEW WORLD ORDER are trying to bombard us from every possible angle to dumb us down and stop us from fighting back and learning the truth and spreading the truth, what you fail to realise you will probably take out some of your own kind as well. Your plan is to destroy the world and all that is in it including yourselves, for what aims? to destroy the evidence for what terrible evil you have perpetrated on the human race for thousands of years for any future beings that may survive the holocaust who discover the truth about your plan you wish to impose on the world.
You will be held account for your crimes and will no longer be able to hide behind puppets that do your dirty work for you any longer, you will be exposed and I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire:eek:, and would turn the other cheek if someone linched you and held you to account for all what you have done and perpetrated crimes on humanity. I would definitely not shed any tears for you. If you think I am angry, you would be right, yes I f-----g am!!. Sometimes the truth is too horrific to contemplated and believe, that is why most people will not see it, but I hope they do in time.

[john connor]

Wednesday 21st January. The chemtrailers are out in force again today over the Manchester area. Clear blue sky this morning by mid afternoon complete cloud cover. Criss cross patterns, long trails, wispy trails, the lot all lingering for hours of course!! like they do, but hey nothing to worry about the government will tell us, it doesn't wash anymore!!. I started to suffer intestinal cramps and headaches today as I have eaten nothing that would have caused these symptoms there is only one explanation, I will let you figure it out.
We shall see if any epidemics occur over the next few days from this spraying. the last time we had an epidemic in 1998/99 winter season there were apparently 8000 deaths from what was officially caused by flu when in fact it was some unknown pathogen in the air(Hmmm!! wonder where it came from?) as flu rarely kills, it's pneumonia that kills. but hey nothing to worry about the government takes care of it's citizens and takes advice from eminent song sheet scientists that are hear to advise and protect us uninformed sheep as if some of us don't know the game.
You bastards:mad:will be defeated and all your evil for committing horrendous crimes to humanity for centuries and throughout the 20th century with eugenics programs, manipulated wars and world wars that killed 200 million people world wide, your time is running out you will be defeated and I am making sure nearly everybody I meet knows the truth about what is really happening and who is responsible. You THE NEW WORLD ORDER are trying to bombard us from every possible angle to dumb us down and stop us from fighting back and learning the truth and spreading the truth, what you fail to realise you will probably take out some of your own kind as well. Your plan is to destroy the world and all that is in it including yourselves, for what aims? to destroy the evidence for what terrible evil you have perpetrated on the human race for thousands of years for any future beings that may survive the holocaust who discover the truth about your plan you wish to impose on the world.
You will be held account for your crimes and will no longer be able to hide behind puppets that do your dirty work for you any longer, you will be exposed and I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire:eek:, and would turn the other cheek if someone linched you and held you to account for all what you have done and perpetrated crimes on humanity. I would definitely not shed any tears for you. If you think I am angry, you would be right, yes I f-----g am!!. Sometimes the truth is too horrific to contemplated and believe, that is why most people will not see it, but I hope they do in time.

Bravo well said, the bastards have been out in the East Midlands too, 2nd day running (will post pics later) I have never seen it this bad before, saw yet another Orb, so did 3 of my co workers (that shook them up) when I was telling them to look out the window, I work for local Gov so its hardly truth seeker friendly territory but quite a few are starting to pay attention, esp after todays onslaught. These Orbs are def related to the chemtrails, this is the 6th time I have seen them now in less than 2 months. I'm just as angry as you mate, I would rather die opposing these scumbags than be put down like an old dog, either way their is no place to run. I think were running out of time and think soon we have to choose to make a stand or just accept and do nothing

[kweli]

Wednesday 21st January. The chemtrailers are out in force again today over the Manchester area. Clear blue sky this morning by mid afternoon complete cloud cover. Criss cross patterns, long trails, wispy trails, the lot all lingering for hours of course!! [B]

EXACTLY the same here today. South Yorks

[scatlond]

Glasgow too.

[john connor]

I happen to think this is THE biggest Imediate threat to us all, there seems to be a lot of debate are they are they not on this site, really IMO we need a United front against this shit and maybe a unified site (too many sites, too much choice isnt always a good thing) we have to ACT tho soon, how much time do people think we have to mull and type and contenplate things??...

[realfake]

Clear blue sky this morning by mid afternoon complete cloud cover. Criss cross patterns, long trails, wispy trails, the lot all lingering for hours of course!! They linger for hours and yet the sky was clear this morning.

There's a little clue, right there ;)

[forza nascosta]

Was crazy where I was too.

Never seen this before amongst the clouds. A chembow?

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1284/bowoj9.jpg

[realfake]

Was crazy where I was too.

Never seen this before amongst the clouds. A chembow?

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1284/bowoj9.jpgI've seen these myself on numerous occasions. Whatever is being sprayed clearly has refractive properties.

http://usera.ImageCave.com/realfake/Light-Dispersion.jpg

[cafetimes1991]

I am making sure nearly everybody I meet knows the truth about what is really happening and who is responsible.

WTG, truthseeker!

[astrochicken]

WTG, truthseeker!


Clear morning here in germany.. lots of stars still in the sky around 07.30
by 9:30 it was just a complete chemtrailed mess.

At around 12 the sylphs starting doing their thing.. by 16.00 the sky was clear again.. with amazingly real fluffy clouds.

[realfake]

Clear morning here in germany.. lots of stars still in the sky around 07.30
by 9:30 it was just a complete chemtrailed mess.

At around 12 the sylphs starting doing their thing.. by 16.00 the sky was clear again.. with amazingly real fluffy clouds. Now tell me, what time did the sun rise and set over there in Germany?

[astrochicken]

Now tell me, what time did the sun rise and set over there in Germany?

It was still fairly dark when i took the kids to school around 07:25, ie the sun was still not visible and you could see venus by about 16:00, aldebaran by about 16:45 and cassiopea etc. at around 17:30. (this is all gmt+1)

[astrochicken]

Now tell me, what time did the sun rise and set over there in Germany?

It was still fairly dark when i took the kids to school around 07:25, ie the sun was still not visible and you could see venus by about 16:00, aldebaran by about 16:45 and cassiopea etc. at around 17:30. (this is all gmt+1)

They sprayed solid from about 08:00 untill 15:00. A thick chemtraily mess.


LOL. Cool.. double post.. can someone delete the above????? cheers.

Just checked online for you:

Date: 21 Jan 2009
Sunrise: 08:22
Sunset: 16:42
other stuff: 8h 20m 03s + 3m 03s 12:31 16.7° 147.221

[realfake]

Clear morning here in germany.. lots of stars still in the sky around 07.30
by 9:30 it was just a complete chemtrailed mess.

At around 12 the sylphs starting doing their thing.. by 16.00 the sky was clear again.. with amazingly real fluffy clouds.

It was still fairly dark when i took the kids to school around 07:25, ie the sun was still not visible and you could see venus by about 16:00, aldebaran by about 16:45 and cassiopea etc. at around 17:30. (this is all gmt+1) Now connect the dots.. ;) A piece of the puzzle is staring each and every one of us square in the face.

[astrochicken]

Now connect the dots.. ;) A piece of the puzzle is staring each and every one of us square in the face.

Ok, read through your previous posts.. so you're of the opinion that *they* can't harness the sun yet the whole shebang is about sun worship..and thus they create fake "suns/sons" from which they can harness the energy.. so why spray at nights?

Anyway please induldge me with your detailed theory to ponder rather than pages of cryptic one-liners.

[realfake]

Ok, read through your previous posts.. so you're of the opinion that *they* can't harness the sun yet the whole shebang is about sun worship..and thus they create fake "suns/sons" from which they can harness the energy.. so why spray at nights?

Anyway please induldge me with your detailed theory to ponder rather than pages of cryptic one-liners. Those ideas were merely offered as an alternative to anothers train of thought. I never used the words - fake/sOn and i fail to see how you have managed to blur the lines between my thoughts on worship and this paticular subject?

If you had time to read my previous posts, then you would be more aware of my opinions on this matter.

As for the spraying at night - I have only ever seen this myself during a full moon. I take my own observations over any other. Just as we all should.

[realfake]

At around 12 the sylphs starting doing their thing.. What are sylphs exactly? Do elaborate when time allows.

[astrochicken]

I never used the words - fake/sOn and i fail to see how you have managed to blur the lines between my thoughts on worship and this paticular subject?


Those are my words and i was basically seeing the similarities between mayan sun worship and christian worship of the sOn.


If you had time to read my previous posts, then you would be more aware of my opinions on this matter.


Maybe i didn't delve far enough in to the archive whilst trying to understand the angle in your reply but i only found cryptic one-liners which may have blurred the lines. I did try though.


As for the spraying at night - I have only ever seen this myself during a full moon. I take my own observations over any other. Just as we all should.

So you should. I've been following chemtrails around 4 years and they are spraying as i type and in this part of nothern germany i'd say they spray 80% of all days and around 50% of most nights. As an example this past sunday & monday were the first chemtrail-free days since the 30th of january. I like *gazing* especially and more so since an event i witnessed originating in the pleiades (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33613).

The last chemtrail-free full moon was the lunar eclipse of August 15th.

What are sylphs exactly? Do elaborate when time allows.

I'll give you my take on sylphs but i doubt it's exact.

The other night i was standing outside seeing etheric creatures or "elementarwesen" as rudolf steiner and wilhem reich called them.. ie the things that trevor constable photographed in infrared in the mid-50's.
I could *will* them down from the initial streak of light,twinkly star down through blue plasma balls floating about an arms width away, and watch them turn in to manta-like fish thingies that propelled themselves like squids.


In antiquity some mythological etheric creatures, known as sylphs (sylphids), are described in some detail. For most they are seen as strange cloud formations, often travelling in the opposite of the wind direction and quite often resembling dragons,thunderbirds and the like. If attuned you can actually see them whizzing about most often during the day and less frequently on cloudy and cloudless nights. Basically air elementals.

No, i have never seen fairies nor elves but i do believe that the ethereal plain is teeming with life just as a glass of water would appear to the eye to be devoid of life.


Asides from the obvious factors such as unhealthy populace due to a vitamin D deficiency, then whatever *they*
have in their labs will have a field day with weakened immune systems but i also think that there is a war being
waged on non-malevolent "imaginary" etheric creatures.

[realfake]

Maybe i didn't delve far enough in to the archive whilst trying to understand the angle in your reply but i only found cryptic one-liners which may have blurred the lines. I did try though.

I reckon that the spraying (at least in part) is an attempt to counteract the increasing amount of light that our Sun is putting out.

Why you ask?

Well, light is an electromagnetic wave. The electromagnetic radiation that streams out of our Sun is basically a huge wave of photons. These photons fall upon the Earth and provide the energy that life needs to flourish.

Visible-light photons are by far the most common, but there are other wavelengths that our eyes cannot detect. Light just beyond the violet edge of the visible spectrum is called ultraviolet light and photons at this wavelength carry more energy than the visible variety. Light just beyond the red edge of the visible spectrum is called infrared light and its photons carry less energy than those of visible light. Our hands are better detectors of Infrared light than our eyes, because things that emit in the IR feel warm.

Now, according to the simple Bohr model, an atom consists of a nucleus around which electrons buzz in orbits. Each electron orbit represents a discrete energy level; the lowest energy levels are those closest to the nucleus. It takes energy to move up to a higher level and photons of light are the sole provider of this energy.

Depending on how much energy the photon contains when it is absorbed, an electron might move up one, two, or even many energy levels. Atoms are great at absorbing energy, but not so good at holding on to it. So within a fraction of a second, the electron usually comes bumping back down to a lower level. Each bump is a step from a higher energy orbit to a lower energy one and at each step, the atom must spit out a photon whose energy equals the energy difference between the two levels.

The photons our bodies receive and emit are carriers of information that our brains decode. They are basically like thoughts without a thinker, in between receivers.

My insane theory in a nutshell - The Sun and other celestial objects are increasing in radiance. More light, means a higher concentration of photons showering the Earth. This will cause the entire atomic structure of this planet to increasingly vibrate. And thus the energy difference between 'here' and a higher level will be released in ever increasing amounts for you to decode.. Make of that what you will.

- - - - - - - - - -

Here's just a few of my own observations:

They grid the sky here (UK) however, they often pay special attention to the Sun's position in the sky.

The spraying here always intensifies during the summer months when the sun is obviously higher in the sky.

I can hear the dull drone of jet engines passing over my house and the noise almost always ceases once the sun disappears over the horizon

The only time i have heard them at night is during a full moon.

[cleopatraxxx]

yesterday we had loads of spraying here in West Yorkshire too! i took pictures. i wonder where can i host them to link them to the website and show all the pics i have?

plus,
i had this thought: i know i spend a lot time reading and i am also heavily ill right now, actually lucking some oxigen, and this might be the cause for loads of my tiredness, but i have been lacking strenght to fight the sleepiness in the last days. i even thought, could it have to do with this sparying all the time?
i mean i was tired and thought of havinf an hour or two and went outside to take [pics to post here and while i was sat posting, a HUGE WAVE wiped me off and i just fell asleep.....

but i wonder, does this sleepiness only have to do with me?

anyone else????

[realfake]

yesterday we had loads of spraying here in West Yorkshire too! i took pictures. i wonder where can i host them to link them to the website and show all the pics i have?

plus,
i had this thought: i know i spend a lot time reading and i am also heavily ill right now, actually lucking some oxigen, and this might be the cause for loads of my tiredness, but i have been lacking strenght to fight the sleepiness in the last days. i even thought, could it have to do with this sparying all the time?
i mean i was tired and thought of havinf an hour or two and went outside to take [pics to post here and while i was sat posting, a HUGE WAVE wiped me off and i just fell asleep.....

but i wonder, does this sleepiness only have to do with me?

anyone else????I often feel fatigued too. This truth seeking is hard work :eek: On a serious note, the source of your tiredness could well be attributed to the fallout of whatever is being sprayed. But they put so much rubbish in our food and drink these days, that it could be a combination of many things.

[cleopatraxxx]

I often feel fatigued too. This truth seeking is hard work :eek: On a serious note, the source of your tiredness could well be attributed to the fallout of whatever is being sprayed. But they put so much rubbish in our food and drink these days, that it could be a combination of many things.

i have just uploaded loads of them, but i have many more.
i am finally digging out my old pics from Africa too. i love taking pics and specailly of the Sky whenever it has something different in it, like chemtrails, haarped clouds and else.

lets see...
i will be back with PICS!

[cleopatraxxx]

as promised, here they go:

21 JAN 2009 West Yorkshire
http://usera.ImageCave.com/Cleopatraxxx/21J009-UK-WYork/DSC06848.JPG

http://usera.ImageCave.com/Cleopatraxxx/21J009-UK-WYork/DSC06849.JPG

http://usera.ImageCave.com/Cleopatraxxx/21J009-UK-WYork/DSC06850.JPG

http://usera.ImageCave.com/Cleopatraxxx/21J009-UK-WYork/DSC06851.JPG

http://usera.ImageCave.com/Cleopatraxxx/21J009-UK-WYork/DSC06852.JPG

http://usera.ImageCave.com/Cleopatraxxx/21J009-UK-WYork/DSC06853.JPG

[cleopatraxxx]

if you want to view these huge pics better, i advise to press CTRL+"-" several times untill the pics fit on your monitor.
alternatively, you can save them to your desktop and view on the Windows Preview application.

I promised, i did, it. have many more.
sorry the size, but it really shows loads of detail too , i think :)

[cleopatraxxx]

part II

http://usera.ImageCave.com/Cleopatraxxx/21J009-UK-WYork/DSC06855.JPG
for that day it is all, nest will come the pics of other places in WY where i have randomly collected whenever i had the camera with me, similar pics. some are better than others, but all need to be shown.

the other day i took a pic of a PLane with release of just the CONTRAIL< that lasts a few seconds and vanishes, you can even see it on the pic, of course. when i find it, i will post it.

cleo

[john connor]

yesterday we had loads of spraying here in West Yorkshire too! i took pictures. i wonder where can i host them to link them to the website and show all the pics i have?

plus,
i had this thought: i know i spend a lot time reading and i am also heavily ill right now, actually lucking some oxigen, and this might be the cause for loads of my tiredness, but i have been lacking strenght to fight the sleepiness in the last days. i even thought, could it have to do with this sparying all the time?
i mean i was tired and thought of havinf an hour or two and went outside to take [pics to post here and while i was sat posting, a HUGE WAVE wiped me off and i just fell asleep.....

but i wonder, does this sleepiness only have to do with me?


anyone else????

I feel tired a lot of the time also, had breathing problems for the last 7 weeks which just so coincides with a heavy spray in December

[the worm that turned]

I reckon that the spraying (at least in part) is an attempt to counteract the increasing amount of light that our Sun is putting out.

Why you ask?

Well, light is an electromagnetic wave. The electromagnetic radiation that streams out of our Sun is basically a huge wave of photons. These photons fall upon the Earth and provide the energy that life needs to flourish.

Visible-light photons are by far the most common, but there are other wavelengths that our eyes cannot detect. Light just beyond the violet edge of the visible spectrum is called ultraviolet light and photons at this wavelength carry more energy than the visible variety. Light just beyond the red edge of the visible spectrum is called infrared light and its photons carry less energy than those of visible light. Our hands are better detectors of Infrared light than our eyes, because things that emit in the IR feel warm.

Now, according to the simple Bohr model, an atom consists of a nucleus around which electrons buzz in orbits. Each electron orbit represents a discrete energy level; the lowest energy levels are those closest to the nucleus. It takes energy to move up to a higher level and photons of light are the sole provider of this energy.

Depending on how much energy the photon contains when it is absorbed, an electron might move up one, two, or even many energy levels. Atoms are great at absorbing energy, but not so good at holding on to it. So within a fraction of a second, the electron usually comes bumping back down to a lower level. Each bump is a step from a higher energy orbit to a lower energy one and at each step, the atom must spit out a photon whose energy equals the energy difference between the two levels.

The photons our bodies receive and emit are carriers of information that our brains decode. They are basically like thoughts without a thinker, in between receivers.

My insane theory in a nutshell - The Sun and other celestial objects are increasing in radiance. More light, means a higher concentration of photons showering the Earth. This will cause the entire atomic structure of this planet to increasingly vibrate. And thus the energy difference between 'here' and a higher level will be released in ever increasing amounts for you to decode.. Make of that what you will.

- - - - - - - - - -

Here's just a few of my own observations:

They grid the sky here (UK) however, they often pay special attention to the Sun's position in the sky.

The spraying here always intensifies during the summer months when the sun is obviously higher in the sky.

I can hear the dull drone of jet engines passing over my house and the noise almost always ceases once the sun disappears over the horizon

The only time i have heard them at night is during a full moon.

I think you may be onto something here. There WAS a video on YouTube by a guy called "mannix22mniscs", which showed newly formed tubules on the skin that pass photons of light into the body. THey are thinner than hair and can clearly be seen using a x200 USB microscope. He believed that this was an evolutionary change and we are all capable of receiving our energy from sunlight. The video was cool and he also checked it out on his GP and various other people, all of whom were showing these "nanotubes" as he called them.

His account is now SUSPENDED!

Has anyone got one of these USB microscopes? I might buy one, (Amazon, Ebay, Maplins all sell them) and then post some results of what I find.

[astrochicken]

Cleopatraxxx, thanx for the pics!!
Imageshack and imagehost (goog them) offer free image hosting they also generate and an on-the-fly thumbnail.


I reckon that the spraying (at least in part) is an attempt to counteract the increasing amount of light that our Sun is putting out.

Why you ask?

Well, light is an electromagnetic wave. The electromagnetic radiation that streams out of our Sun is basically a huge wave of photons. These photons fall upon the Earth and provide the energy that life needs to flourish.


I concur.



Now, according to the simple Bohr model, an atom consists of a nucleus around which electrons buzz in orbits. Each electron orbit represents a discrete energy level; the lowest energy levels are those closest to the nucleus. It takes energy to move up to a higher level and photons of light are the sole provider of this energy.

Depending on how much energy the photon contains when it is absorbed, an electron might move up one, two, or even many energy levels. Atoms are great at absorbing energy, but not so good at holding on to it. So within a fraction of a second, the electron usually comes bumping back down to a lower level. Each bump is a step from a higher energy orbit to a lower energy one and at each step, the atom must spit out a photon whose energy equals the energy difference between the two levels.


I remember it well from school physics.


My insane theory in a nutshell - The Sun and other celestial objects are increasing in radiance. More light, means a higher concentration of photons showering the Earth. This will cause the entire atomic structure of this planet to increasingly vibrate. And thus the energy difference between 'here' and a higher level will be released in ever increasing amounts for you to decode.. Make of that what you will.


I agree, it's fact that the sun is putting out more light.
It's also fact that the earth's vibration, the schumann resonance, is changing.


I was thinking along these lines. I thought that the planet's orbits resembled electron's (planets) whizzing around a nucleus (our sun) and that more photons OR the arrival of an eleptical electron (think nibiru) would cause the earth to jump.

Just like an electron on it's orbit, the earth would excite and jump somewhere else. My thinking was that Mars was once where earth is, and Earth was once where Mars was.. and that the pyramids (on earth and on mars) were there as a kind of energy conduit to release and transport excess energy(photons) from one point in space to the other utilzing the theorys of victor schauberger on vortices. My thinking was that by placing an artificial object (think death star / the moon) in a specific orbit one could counter the effect of a directional wave such as photons emitted from the sun.

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8989/vortloop.gif


It made sense to me when viewed through bohr's model and with directional waves, if you take the plasma model and scalar waves then that theory is out the window..

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY&feature=related

[pleasuredome]

you should have seen the sky over the east midlands about 12ish. i would have taken a pic but there was too much glare from the sun.

[john connor]

I think you may be onto something here. There WAS a video on YouTube by a guy called "mannix22mniscs", which showed newly formed tubules on the skin that pass photons of light into the body. THey are thinner than hair and can clearly be seen using a x200 USB microscope. He believed that this was an evolutionary change and we are all capable of receiving our energy from sunlight. The video was cool and he also checked it out on his GP and various other people, all of whom were showing these "nanotubes" as he called them.

His account is now SUSPENDED!

Has anyone got one of these USB microscopes? I might buy one, (Amazon, Ebay, Maplins all sell them) and then post some results of what I find.

I wouldnt discount any theory at the moment, esp in light of the things I have seen the last year, I had to google tubules, not being a biologist:D..came across this, I hope its not relevent:(

Protein 'tubules' free avian flu virus from immune recognition
A protein found in the virulent avian influenza virus strain called H5N1 forms tiny tubules in which it "hides" the pieces of double-stranded RNA formed during viral infection, which otherwise would prompt an antiviral immune response from infected cells, said Baylor College of Medicine researchers in an online report in the journal Nature.

Two domains or portions of the protein NS1 combine to form tiny tubules where double-stranded RNA is hidden from the immune system, said Dr. B. V. Venkataram Prasad, professor of biochemistry and molecular biology, molecular virology and microbiology at BCM and his student, Dr. Zachary A. Bornholdt (now of the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California).

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-11/bcom-pf110508.php

[john connor]

you should have seen the sky over the east midlands about 12ish. i would have taken a pic but there was too much glare from the sun.

I did mate and took pics, uploaded them to image shack last night and will post on here later so we can all admire the pretty patterns;)

[cleopatraxxx]

astrochicken:
Cleopatraxxx, thanx for the pics!!
Imageshack and imagehost (goog them) offer free image hosting they also generate and an on-the-fly thumbnail.

you are welcome
i subscribed to photobucket, but it seems so long.
will usem all of them eventually, when i run out of space in one, i will jump to another! :)
;)
Cleo

[astrochicken]

Protein 'tubules' free avian flu virus from immune recognition
A protein found in the virulent avian influenza virus strain called H5N1 forms tiny tubules in which it "hides" the pieces of double-stranded RNA formed during viral infection, which otherwise would prompt an antiviral immune response from infected cells, said Baylor College of Medicine researchers in an online report in the journal Nature.

Two domains or portions of the protein NS1 combine to form tiny tubules where double-stranded RNA is hidden from the immune system, said Dr. B. V. Venkataram Prasad, professor of biochemistry and molecular biology, molecular virology and microbiology at BCM and his student, Dr. Zachary A. Bornholdt (now of the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California).

If i recall correctly then that is what the 2 micro-biologists, who were murdered in london about 6 months ago, were investigating.

[john connor]

If i recall correctly then that is what the 2 micro-biologists, who were murdered in london about 6 months ago, were investigating.

I honestly cant remember, Like I say I had to google tubules as it was, so much diff info to try and absorb, I wondered about the so called junk strands of DNA also, why would we have 10 strands we dont use? does anyone know what airports these things are using?..when they spray the East Midlands they are still ascending so I presume they must be taking off locally or maybe I have it wrong, if i am right they can only be using 1 or 2 locations to take off from as they always come from the same direction

[john connor]

Havent found the info on the London 2 yet but found this interesting..what this may have to do with chemtrails is anyones guess

[ED. NOTE: As FTW has begun to investigate serious discussions by legitimate scientists and academics on the possible necessity of reducing the world's population by more than four billion people, no stranger set of circumstances since Sept. 11 adds credibility to this possibility than the suspicious deaths of what may be as many as 14 world-class microbiologists. Following on the heels of our two-part series on the coming world oil crisis, this story by Michael Davidson, a graduate of the Syracuse University School of Journalism, is one which takes on a unique significance. In our original story we incorrectly reported the original date of disappearance of Don Wiley and two other microbiologists. These errors have been corrected and we have updated the story to include new deaths that have occurred since we published an earlier version on Feb. 14. The newest connections to DynCorp, Hadron and PROMIS software are leads an amateur would not miss. How else would any microbiologists threatening an ultra secret government biological weapons program be identified than by secretly scanning their databases to see what they were working on? -- MCR]

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FTW -- Feb. 28, 2002 -- In the four-month period from Nov. 12 through Feb. 11, seven world-class microbiologists in different parts of the world were reported dead. Six died of "unnatural" causes, while the cause of the seventh's death is questionable. Also on Nov. 12, DynCorp, a major government contractor for data processing, military operations and intelligence work, was awarded a $322 million contract to develop, produce and store vaccines for the Department of Defense. DynCorp and Hadron, both defense contractors connected to classified research programs on communicable diseases, have also been linked to a software program known as PROMIS, which may have helped identify and target the victims

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_14_02_microbio.html

[john connor]

Ok I never knew this, sorry still catching up on all the NWO stuff, this is shocking to me and very worrying

What has not been reported in the media properly, if at all, is that between 1996 & 2008 over 80 of the worlds leading scientists in the fields of biological weapons, virology, biotechnology and microbiology among others have all been murdered, met untimely deaths or disappeared. Prior to the death of Bruce Ivins in August 08 the most recent additions to the long list of dead & missing bio -experts were Laurent Bonomo & Gabriel Ferez two of Frances most researchers who were brutally murdered in London, July 2008. Bonomo and Ferez were specialists in infectious disease and environmental engineering. The officers who attended the scene said it was the most horrific sight they had ever witnessed. Both of them had been tied to chairs, tortured, stabbed at least 250 times between them and then set on fire.

source

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58591967

[john connor]

The sun finally comes out...the grey clouds dissapear and Hey presto...guess what...lines and lines and lines

[astrochicken]

Ok I never knew this, sorry still catching up on all the NWO stuff, this is shocking to me and very worrying

That's why it's an uphill struggle.

The masses have a problem with believing that some people could resort to such shocking lengths.. and those starting to question things just get "prison break"ed oder "24"ed ie. "it's for the greater good".

[john connor]

That's why it's an uphill struggle.

The masses have a problem with believing that some people could resort to such shocking lengths.. and those starting to question things just get "prison break"ed oder "24"ed ie. "it's for the greater good".


Spent my lunch hour contenplating the death of 80 scientists, it sure seems a hell of a coincidence..were they would be whistleblowers? or simply someone covering their dirty tracks?..meanwhile its business as usual for the chemtrailers overhead...George Carlin had it down...."go back to sleep there's nothing to worry about"

[realfake]

The other night i was standing outside seeing etheric creatures or "elementarwesen" as rudolf steiner and wilhem reich
called them.. ie the things that trevor constable photographed in infrared in the mid-50's.
I could *will* them down from the initial streak of light,twinkly star down through blue plasma balls floating about an arms width away, and watch them turn in to manta-like fish thingies that propelled themselves like squids.

I would have put this down to your apparent fondness for shrooms, if it were not for observing similar phenomena myself.

I was in my garden on a crisp night a few years back, when i just happened to look up and see what i would describe as a transparent/plasma like jelly fish without tenticles. (Your manta-like description is bang on the money)

It was stationary, no more than 20ft or so above my head when it first caught my eye. It then shot off over the roof of my house, before i had a chance to fully contemplate what i was looking at.

The way it propelled itself was also uncannily simlar to your squid comparison. I couldn't make head nor tale of my sighting at the time, but i always felt that i had witnessed something other than a nuts and bolts 'ufo'

This is the first time i have encountered a very credible explanation for what i saw.

Thanks man!

[astrochicken]

I would have put this down to your apparent fondness for shrooms, if it were not for observing similar phenomena myself.

I was in my garden on a crisp night a few years back, when i just happened to look up and see what i would describe as a transparent/plasma like jelly fish without tenticles. (Your manta-like description is bang on the money)

It was stationary, no more than 20ft or so above my head when it first caught my eye. It then shot off over the roof of my house, before i had a chance to fully contemplate what i was looking at.

The way it propelled itself was also uncannily simlar to your squid comparison. I couldn't make head nor tale of my sighting at the time, but i always felt that i had witnessed something other than a nuts and bolts 'ufo'

This is the first time i have encountered a very credible explanation for what i saw.

Thanks man!


Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I thought i was losing it LOL.. i've been scouring the net for 3 weeks to find anyone with a similar experience.
You won't believe the amount of esoteric wierd forums i've registered at since then.

These 2-dimensional photographs (http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42984) are similar to
the kind off-focus vision one needs to get a glimpse at a 4th dimension. Basically you're just letting your mind wander
and switching off any "active seeing" then the pineal gland just takes control.(*)

*theory of the week #12

[lightgiver]

Chemtrails,cloudy skys and rain,any one would think they are up to something;) i am sure marcrap will be here shortly with its words of BS.

[realfake]

I honestly cant remember, Like I say I had to google tubules as it was, so much diff info to try and absorb, I wondered about the so called junk strands of DNA also, why would we have 10 strands we dont use? does anyone know what airports these things are using?..when they spray the East Midlands they are still ascending so I presume they must be taking off locally or maybe I have it wrong, if i am right they can only be using 1 or 2 locations to take off from as they always come from the same directionAre there any airports/military bases in your vicinity?

This guy makes some good points:
These are not civilian/commercial flights, they do not follow any recognisable flight paths.

I would be quite confident in assuming they are military planes, they fly in echelon formation and often in very tight airspace.

There's no way commercial aircraft would fly in such a manner, I've seen planes stop trailing and then make a 180 degree turn heading back over the Bristol channel Commercial flights take passengers/goods from point A to B and they have flight schedules to adhere to. They don't fly around in circles.

[realfake]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I thought i was losing it LOL.. i've been scouring the net for 3 weeks to find anyone with a similar experience.
You won't believe the amount of esoteric wierd forums i've registered at since then.

These 2-dimensional photographs (http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42984) are similar to
the kind off-focus vision one needs to get a glimpse at a 4th dimension. Basically you're just letting your mind wander
and switching off any "active seeing" then the pineal gland just takes control.(*)

*theory of the week #12 My encounter wasn't quite as profound as your own, but i have seen the creature you described. I have always been stumped when trying to portray how it propelled itself. It pushed through the air with real purpose and made some very abrupt turns to boot. As you said, just like a squid!

Edit: Thanks for the links/thoughts you've posted. I have much to ponder!

[john connor]

Here finally a pic from my office window last wed, shame I didnt get a pic of the bloody orb thing that appeared as well, work interferes with everything;)

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4093/p1000994gk6.jpg

did your 'jellyfish' look anything like this?

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/206/p1000743zg8.jpg

[deafbred]

destroyers of the earth

its just so their damn communication satellites will work and their system of the grid doesn't keep faultering likes its been doing lately

watching news programs... etc.. always communications problems.. in the last few weeks..

yeah... i noticed.. chemtrails starting back up again.

didn't see them for a few months..

all the heavy metals so the fields of communica can travel easier..


one of the toughest medium for it to travel through is air itself.

if they could they'd make one big iron curtain in the sky

[cleopatraxxx]

Here finally a pic from my office window last wed, shame I didnt get a pic of the bloody orb thing that appeared as well, work interferes with everything;)

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4093/p1000994gk6.jpg

did your 'jellyfish' look anything like this?

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/206/p1000743zg8.jpg

THAT is INTEMSE FFS!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[dawnismygoddess]

Do any of you U.K. chaps know how to re-size a picture? :confused::D:p

[anthony65]

I saw my first orb yesterday!

There was massive spraying here yesterday (on Sunday we had nothing but blue skies).

I happened to look out of the window, and flying down the middle of a very wide trail, there was an orb, just as I've seen them on a thousand YouTube videos.

If you search for chemtrails UFO or chemtrails orb in YouTube, you'll see new videos coming in pretty much every day and what they show is very consistent!

The "jelly fish" thing is rather strange! :eek:

[john connor]

I saw my first orb yesterday!

There was massive spraying here yesterday (on Sunday we had nothing but blue skies).

I happened to look out of the window, and flying down the middle of a very wide trail, there was an orb, just as I've seen them on a thousand YouTube videos.

If you search for chemtrails UFO or chemtrails orb in YouTube, you'll see new videos coming in pretty much every day and what they show is very consistent!

The "jelly fish" thing is rather strange! :eek:

Not sure if congrats is in order about the Orb lol...well I'm not suprised you seeing one, Im not that special to have seen 6 in 2 months..what the hell are they? the metallic one I have seen twice had little things coming out of it..I can only assume it was taking samples..this thing turned transparent tho when it came down low...not to the eye but on photo..now the Q I have to ask is do we have that sort of technology? If I have to stick my neck out I would say these Orbs are of an alien nature

[john connor]

Do any of you U.K. chaps know how to re-size a picture? :confused::D:p

do you have Adobe photoshop?

[anthony65]

Not sure if congrats is in order about the Orb lol...well I'm not suprised you seeing one, Im not that special to have seen 6 in 2 months..what the hell are they? the metallic one I have seen twice had little things coming out of it..I can only assume it was taking samples..this thing turned transparent tho when it came down low...not to the eye but on photo..now the Q I have to ask is do we have that sort of technology? If I have to stick my neck out I would say these Orbs are of an alien nature

Hmmm. Congratulations? Well, at least I can see these things at my age without glasses! :D But not good enough perhaps to see the details you mention! :o

What are they?

I don't know.

But I suspect that there loads of things out there that we haven't yet been officially told about...

And until it's official, anybody who claims to have seen it is written off as a loon...

But as soon as it is official, the mainstream just shrug and accept it as given, but still cry loon at anybody who claims something not yet made official! :rolleyes:

And I do expect that we will be getting told officially about more stuff in the near future. The UFO coverage in the mainstream is getting bigger by the day! Summat's up! :cool:

[john connor]

Hmmm. Congratulations? Well, at least I can see these things at my age without glasses! :D But not good enough perhaps to see the details you mention! :o

What are they?

I don't know.

But I suspect that there loads of things out there that we haven't yet been officially told about...

And until it's official, anybody who claims to have seen it is written off as a loon...

But as soon as it is official, the mainstream just shrug and accept it as given, but still cry loon at anybody who claims something not yet made official! :rolleyes:

And I do expect that we will be getting told officially about more stuff in the near future. The UFO coverage in the mainstream is getting bigger by the day! Summat's up! :cool:

I only think they will tell us what they absolutely have to..maybe tho the issue is getting forced on them...they are spraying again today:(..hopefully someone else will get a few pics of these Orbs to post on here....One thought occurred to me...I wonder if the spraying also make it easier for these things to appear / exist here??..I personally think the spraying probably serves more than one purpose..couldnt state one as fact...but think how many millions+ it must cost in fuel alone world wide to get up their to spray

[anthony65]

I only think they will tell us what they absolutely have to..maybe tho the issue is getting forced on them...they are spraying again today:(..hopefully someone else will get a few pics of these Orbs to post on here....One thought occurred to me...I wonder if the spraying also make it easier for these things to appear / exist here??..I personally think the spraying probably serves more than one purpose..couldnt state one as fact...but think how many millions+ it must cost in fuel alone world wide to get up their to spray

I definitely agree with you about a multi-purpose agenda...

When the budget's black, the budget's big..... :cool:

[john connor]

I definitely agree with you about a multi-purpose agenda...

When the budget's black, the budget's big..... :cool:

Well good job they have been having records crops in Afghan then;)..damn clever those farmers getting the goods past 70.000 NATO troops;)

[whiteshadow]

Yesterday, Monday 26th Jan 0900 GMT. Suffolk England.
A bright morning......and a Sky full of trails - this was the first time I had seen anything like this (or noticed)
A plane was still doing it as I watched. I must have counted at least 15 trails.

I am not paranoid by any means, and I have no idea of what the effects may be or how long it takes any of this stuff to interact with the body. but...

I had a really strange day yesterday.
I felt really tired, just had no energy. I normally would have gome for a run in the evening but instead just fell asleep on the sofa.
I felt agressive, anxious and irritable all day, had arguments with my wife over stupid things and just felt really strange.

Maybe I just had an off day. But on the other hand if this was an effect of the chemtrails then Holy Shit!

[lupa]

so this morning 27th of jan i wake up feeling totally zapped of energy couldnt even peel myself of the sofa for to check my mail. i did eventually and came onto here and had a loo to see what postie had put in me box and someone told me to go outside with my camera but i couldnt see a thing. but i could hear them flying around. anyway ive not long gone outside after another mail saying the skys clearing and theres lines everywhere

guess what?

I saw them!! a plane came right over my house thats the first time i've saw them and i have proof!! that stuff is thick i cant belive how much shit they pump out and right over the top of my house god damm it! i'm now typing this i have a sore throat and my teeth are thobbing at the back like A kind of absses throb. ive shrunk the pic down in photoshop and changed the contrast a little to show it up clearer but seeing with my own eyes it was so clear. ba*STArds!! :mad:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/amberlane35/chemtrailovermyhouse.jpg

there you go leicstershire is being sprayed!! now i know

[anthony65]

Yesterday, Monday 26th Jan 0900 GMT. Suffolk England.
A bright morning......and a Sky full of trails - this was the first time I had seen anything like this (or noticed)
A plane was still doing it as I watched. I must have counted at least 15 trails.

I am not paranoid by any means, and I have no idea of what the effects may be or how long it takes any of this stuff to interact with the body. but...

I had a really strange day yesterday.
I felt really tired, just had no energy. I normally would have gome for a run in the evening but instead just fell asleep on the sofa.
I felt agressive, anxious and irritable all day, had arguments with my wife over stupid things and just felt really strange.

Maybe I just had an off day. But on the other hand if this was an effect of the chemtrails then Holy Shit!

It was chemtrails on a new moon day.

Significance of new moon anyone?

[john connor]

Yesterday, Monday 26th Jan 0900 GMT. Suffolk England.
A bright morning......and a Sky full of trails - this was the first time I had seen anything like this (or noticed)
A plane was still doing it as I watched. I must have counted at least 15 trails.

I am not paranoid by any means, and I have no idea of what the effects may be or how long it takes any of this stuff to interact with the body. but...

I had a really strange day yesterday.
I felt really tired, just had no energy. I normally would have gome for a run in the evening but instead just fell asleep on the sofa.
I felt agressive, anxious and irritable all day, had arguments with my wife over stupid things and just felt really strange.



Maybe I just had an off day. But on the other hand if this was an effect of the chemtrails then Holy Shit!

sorry mate your not alone, it seems to be one of the symptoms...feeling lethargic, etc...they are it again here in the East Midlands today..I guess the only good thing is you are yet 1 more person who has realised what they are doing overhead...only another 60 million plus to go

[whiteshadow]

It was chemtrails on a new moon day.

Significance of new moon anyone?

Good question.
I work in the Health Sector and can definitely say that the New Moon has an effect on the state of mind of many people.

Perhaps spraying during a new moon serves to enhance the effect. Maybe you are on to something here.
I know that I have never felt so strange in my life as I did yesterday.

[whiteshadow]

I guess the only good thing is you are yet 1 more person who has realised what they are doing overhead

I suppose I am thankful for that. I am also really shocked that it is going on here. It's hard to take in.

[john connor]

shame all us chemtrail believers on this forum are spread all over..we could probably make quite a little crowd in one place now...even then would the MSM touch it??...I think rather than discuss what they are,who's behind it etc maybe it would be a good idea to focus on how to alert more people and to hopefully wake people up...

[john connor]

I suppose I am thankful for that. I am also really shocked that it is going on here. It's hard to take in.

I know what you mean...somedays I forget all I have learned and realised the last year, then I see them and it reminds me that it IS REAL, wait until you see one of those Orb things...and you will...cos now you have seen them first hand you will start to look up a lot more...its hard not to

[whiteshadow]

there you go leicstershire is being sprayed!! now i know

They must be spraying large areas at a time.

When I saw them yesterday morning I was with my son, waiting in a line to take him into his nursery class. It was eerie to see the sky like that. I was looking all around at the trails, and a little girl behind me said 'Look mummy there's an aeroplane' and pointed up to it.

It's Just bloody tragic.

[whiteshadow]

I know what you mean...somedays I forget all I have learned and realised the last year, then I see them and it reminds me that it IS REAL, wait until you see one of those Orb things...and you will...cos now you have seen them first hand you will start to look up a lot more...its hard not to

I will definitely be looking up a whole lot more.

[john connor]

My son is 14 he lives up in the North West with his mom, he is very aware of them now and takes photo's too, he had to go to A&E last year with persistant nosebleeds another symptom apparently...his mum...the only thing she see's is Big Brother and Soaps, she is totally clueless to this. It will really be tragic if not enough people wake up to this...maybe then they will start to see the bigger picture

[whiteshadow]

the only thing she see's is Big Brother and Soaps, she is totally clueless to this. It will really be tragic if not enough people wake up to this...maybe then they will start to see the bigger picture

After I had got back home from taking my son to nursery I wanted to say to my wife 'Look up at the sky honey, the bastards are chemtrailing us'.

But I know that if I had, and even if she saw them she would just see normal aeroplane trails and nothing suspicious.
I know that she too wasn't feeling herself yesterday, but I never disclosed why I thought we were both feeling weird.
She would never believe that there were agents of power capable of doing this, and still regards David Icke as a weirdo.
Kind of frustrating. I am hoping that this will change soon.

[realfake]

I think you may be onto something here. There WAS a video on YouTube by a guy called "mannix22mniscs", which showed newly formed tubules on the skin that pass photons of light into the body. THey are thinner than hair and can clearly be seen using a x200 USB microscope. He believed that this was an evolutionary change and we are all capable of receiving our energy from sunlight. The video was cool and he also checked it out on his GP and various other people, all of whom were showing these "nanotubes" as he called them.

His account is now SUSPENDED!

Has anyone got one of these USB microscopes? I might buy one, (Amazon, Ebay, Maplins all sell them) and then post some results of what I find.

This is a completely new concept to me. I will have to Google tubules for more info' :o Let us know if you find anything.

On the photon front, have a look at this:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/images/cosmicrays/crshower2_nasa_med.jpg

Nov. 19, 2008: An international team of researchers has discovered a puzzling surplus of high-energy electrons bombarding Earth from space. The source of these cosmic rays is unknown, but it must be close to the solar system and it could be made of dark matter. Their results are being reported in the Nov. 20th issue of the journal Nature.

"This is a big discovery," says co-author John Wefel of Louisiana State University. "It's the first time we've seen a discrete source of accelerated cosmic rays standing out from the general galactic background."

Galactic cosmic rays are subatomic particles accelerated to almost light speed by distant supernova explosions and other violent events. They swarm through the Milky Way, forming a haze of high energy particles that enter the solar system from all directions. Cosmic rays consist mostly of protons and heavier atomic nuclei with a dash of electrons and photons spicing the mix.

Full NASA article. (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/19nov_cosmicrays.htm?list41072.)

[realfake]

did your 'jellyfish' look anything like this?

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/206/p1000743zg8.jpg

Hard to say really. What i saw displayed no colour and it was nighttime. It kind of resembled a patch of heat in the sky on a cold, clear night if that makes sense?

Try to imagine a translucent manta-fish. This will probably sound bonkers, but i am sure i was looking at a living organism of some sort and not a UFO.

[realfake]

Does anyone here have the tools required to take detailed images of these planes?

[lupa]

Does anyone here have the tools required to take detailed images of these planes?

what would be needed? like a cannon 1d camera? and super big lens like around a 3 feet long? my ex is a photographer has allsorts of cannons like 20d 30d 1d 4d and 5d also has a funky camcorder like what they use for tv. I know he's been selling alot of he's older gear but could ask him tomorrow as he'll be at work now

[realfake]

what would be needed? like a cannon 1d camera? and super big lens like around a 3 feet long? my ex is a photographer has allsorts of cannons like 20d 30d 1d 4d and 5d also has a funky camcorder like what they use for tv. I know he's been selling alot of he's older gear but could ask him tomorrow as he'll be at work now My knowledge of photography is very limited i'm afraid. Just take the most powerful lens he has! :D

We need images that will make it possible for someone with a knowledge of aviation to identify the aircraft up there. The sheer scale of this spraying operation suggests to me that there could well be some "retired" planes involved (This is merely speculation on my part)

I remember watching a documentary when i was a kid about airplane graveyards in the deserts of The United States. Large numbers of retired aircraft were mothballed (preserved) with an eye toward flying again, should international political conditions warrant.

It would make for some very interesting discussion, if a retired aircraft was imaged taking part it in these operations..

It's a long shot, but worth it, if only for the process of elimination.

[lupa]

My knowledge of photography is very limited i'm afraid. Just take the most powerful lens he has! :D

We need images that will make it possible for someone with a knowledge of aviation to identify the aircraft up there. The sheer scale of this spraying operation suggests to me that there could well be some "retired" planes involved (This is merely speculation on my part)

I remember watching a documentary when i was a kid about airplane graveyards in the deserts of The United States. Large numbers of retired aircraft were mothballed (preserved) with an eye toward flying again, should international political conditions warrant.

It would make for some very interesting discussion, if a retired aircraft was imaged taking part it in these operations..

It's a long shot, but worth it, if only for the process of elimination.

like this? :D:D:D

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/amberlane35/neilscam.jpg

thats one of them. i'm not making any promises as i mentioned he's not doing as much these days, use to take shots of motorbikes at track days for people. i know he's sold alot of his gear so i'll find out tomorrow. what i will mention though is that he knows his birds. he would drive me mad wanting to watch all thos aircrash investigastion type programs and would leap up and run outside when he heard the fighter jets and merlin type engines going over head at home. even took me to eastmids airport once to watch the planes fly over us..i thought i was going out for a nice meal ..charmin! lolz

i've told him about the trails today and he's going to look on the net for himself as he even said he's not feeling well and thinking the clouds were looking strange. if he takes it in you can count on him looking for them and snapping them too.

[pleasuredome]

Here finally a pic from my office window last wed, shame I didnt get a pic of the bloody orb thing that appeared as well, work interferes with everything;)

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4093/p1000994gk6.jpg



good pics john.

the plane that laid the fresh chemtrail changed course just before it got to the bottom left of the pic, and was not spraying until it got to that point. it only had a contrail which disappeared.

[realfake]

like this? :D:D:D

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/amberlane35/neilscam.jpg

thats one of them. i'm not making any promises as i mentioned he's not doing as much these days, use to take shots of motorbikes at track days for people. i know he's sold alot of his gear so i'll find out tomorrow. what i will mention though is that he knows his birds. he would drive me mad wanting to watch all thos aircrash investigastion type programs and would leap up and run outside when he heard the fighter jets and merlin type engines going over head at home. even took me to eastmids airport once to watch the planes fly over us..i thought i was going out for a nice meal ..charmin! lolz

i've told him about the trails today and he's going to look on the net for himself as he even said he's not feeling well and thinking the clouds were looking strange. if he takes it in you can count on him looking for them and snapping them too.

Lol :D That thing looks more like a bazooka! As for the strange clouds, here's a few little facts about Barium for you:

Barium - Ba is a soft metallic alkaline earth metal. Its pure form is never found in nature, due to its reactivity with air. Once exposed to oxygen, this metal oxidizes, producing Barium Oxide - BaO

Barium oxide is a white hygroscopic compound. Hygroscopy is the ability of a substance to attract water molecules from the surrounding environment through either absorption or adsorption. (Natural clouds are formed by condensing water vapor)

As well as being a toxin and irritant, it would appear that Barium would be quite a useful element for creating artificial cloud cover. They dump this shit in the lower atmosphere. It oxidizes on contact with the air and then attracts atmospheric moisture.

This would go along way towards explaining the milky fucking haze that spreads out over a wide area, as these "chemtrails" disperse.

[dawnismygoddess]

do you have Adobe photoshop?

Yes sir.

[whiteshadow]

They dump this shit in the lower atmosphere. It oxidizes on contact with the air and then attracts atmospheric moisture.

This would go along way towards explaining the milky fucking haze that spreads out over a wide area, as these "chemtrails" disperse.

I didn't realise it did that. After the ones I saw yesterday there was exactly that - a milky haze.

[hank_scorpio]

chemtrails are in heavy spraying in niagara falls, buffallo area. We were spared in niagara falls for a few hours when we had the sun out lol. I noticed through all the haze lines aka chemtrails in the sky. Several of them. Every day for the past 3 days now in the morning the sky is full of chemtrails. It's quite easy to spot chemtrails/contrails theres a huge difference. Im going to take pics when I get a camera.

[cleopatraxxx]

Lol :D That thing looks more like a bazooka! As for the strange clouds, here's a few little facts about Barium for you:

Barium - Ba is a soft metallic alkaline earth metal. Its pure form is never found in nature, due to its reactivity with air. Once exposed to oxygen, this metal oxidizes, producing Barium Oxide - BaO

Barium oxide is a white hygroscopic compound. Hygroscopy is the ability of a substance to attract water molecules from the surrounding environment through either absorption or adsorption. (Natural clouds are formed by condensing water vapor)

As well as being a toxin and irritant, it would appear that Barium would be quite a useful element for creating artificial cloud cover. They dump this shit in the lower atmosphere. It oxidizes on contact with the air and then attracts atmospheric moisture.

This would go along way towards explaining the milky fucking haze that spreads out over a wide area, as these "chemtrails" disperse.

incredible info that
THANKS!
EVERYTHING makes perfect sense and to those idiots who blindly continue saying we are all mad, we are all conspiracy idiots, etc, i hope they wake on time. this is absurd not to notice what strange formations hapen above our heads! does this public blindness indicates the leves of ignorance in the majority around us? what is it that people live their lifes for on a daily basis? they are absolutely hypnotised by booz, by TV and spend time gossiping about each others neighbours. is that what life is all about to the majority?!?!?!?!

[whiteshadow]

incredible info that
what is it that people live their lifes for on a daily basis? they are absolutely hypnotised by booz, by TV and spend time gossiping about each others neighbours. is that what life is all about to the majority?!?!?!?!

sums it up perfectly!
we are all insane us conspiracy wierdos:(

[lupa]

I spoke to my ex earlier. he's sold all his camera gear :( however he lives very near to east mids airport, planes are always going over his end. gave him txt after talking to him asking him to look on youtube for don't talk about the weather.

maybe he'll wake up more. he did say though that you can buy binoculars with cameras in them so you'll be able to get a real close look on those birds and take a picture. he has a couple of pairs but not with the camera, he's not an idiot and i know he'll be checking all this out now. shame he's sold that lens as that would have been ideal.

[griswald]

My knowledge of photography is very limited i'm afraid. Just take the most powerful lens he has! :D

We need images that will make it possible for someone with a knowledge of aviation to identify the aircraft up there. The sheer scale of this spraying operation suggests to me that there could well be some "retired" planes involved (This is merely speculation on my part)

I remember watching a documentary when i was a kid about airplane graveyards in the deserts of The United States. Large numbers of retired aircraft were mothballed (preserved) with an eye toward flying again, should international political conditions warrant.

It would make for some very interesting discussion, if a retired aircraft was imaged taking part it in these operations..

It's a long shot, but worth it, if only for the process of elimination.


I took this with a cheap samsung camcorder, and no knowledge at all of digital photography And I reckon its possible for a knowledgeable person to identify the aircraft type. My friend posted it on youtube ,

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=1HK7BT7PgVw&feature=email

griswald

[simplify]

Pleasuredome:
The following quote you posted above...didn't want to repeat the whole post with pic etc. Do you have a theory on why they would be using the Barium to create cloud cover......what are they trying to cover up in the skies:confused:

Barium - Ba is a soft metallic alkaline earth metal. Its pure form is never found in nature, due to its reactivity with air. Once exposed to oxygen, this metal oxidizes, producing Barium Oxide - BaO

Barium oxide is a white hygroscopic compound. Hygroscopy is the ability of a substance to attract water molecules from the surrounding environment through either absorption or adsorption. (Natural clouds are formed by condensing water vapor)

As well as being a toxin and irritant, it would appear that Barium would be quite a useful element for creating artificial cloud cover. They dump this shit in the lower atmosphere. It oxidizes on contact with the air and then attracts atmospheric moisture.

This would go along way towards explaining the milky fucking haze that spreads out over a wide area, as these "chemtrails" disperse.
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[astrochicken]

Do you have a theory on why they would be using the Barium to create cloud cover......what are they trying to cover up in the skies:confused



Here's my take on what chemtrails *may* be about.

1.Intentionally targeting etheric creatures (air elementals/sylphids)
2.Negative effect on our health (population reduction)
3.One giant HD LCD screen for projecting upon {*alien invasion*}
4.A conductor for the waves sent up through harp (scalar weapons)
5.A means to make leylines and the earth grid visible.. ie they're mapping the grid for pin-point accuracy.
4. Covering up something they are either doing or that's coming


take your pick

[lupa]

I took this with a cheap samsung camcorder, and no knowledge at all of digital photography And I reckon its possible for a knowledgeable person to identify the aircraft type. My friend posted it on youtube ,

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=1HK7BT7PgVw&feature=email

griswald

i use to work right next to U.S base where the awacks big dish on birds were. all lined up against the high fencing take the dish off the top and that looks pretty simular to what i was looking at yesterday over my house. the place was called disney so my ex recons but it was north kesteven in linconshire where i had to go to work from time to time..disney what a name lol

http://www.deroeck.co.uk/planes/Boeing-E3A-Sentry-01.html

[sillystringmath]

Here's my take on what chemtrails *may* be about.

1.Intentionally targeting etheric creatures (air elementals/sylphids)
2.Negative effect on our health (population reduction)
3.One giant HD LCD screen for projecting upon {*alien invasion*}
4.A conductor for the waves sent up through harp (scalar weapons)
5.A means to make leylines and the earth grid visible.. ie they're mapping the grid for pin-point accuracy.
4. Covering up something they are either doing or that's coming


take your pick


All of the above I suspect. Really, there is no reason for them *not* to do it. The utility and uses of plasmatising the atmosphere are almost endless. Add communications and stealth detection to the list.

[realfake]

I didn't realise it did that. After the ones I saw yesterday there was exactly that - a milky haze. Always cross reference another's claim against your own observations. And trust the latter when what you read, doesn't match what you see.

incredible info that
THANKS!
EVERYTHING makes perfect sense and to those idiots who blindly continue saying we are all mad, we are all conspiracy idiots, etc, i hope they wake on time. this is absurd not to notice what strange formations hapen above our heads! does this public blindness indicates the leves of ignorance in the majority around us? what is it that people live their lifes for on a daily basis? they are absolutely hypnotised by booz, by TV and spend time gossiping about each others neighbours. is that what life is all about to the majority?!?!?!?!

Here's a little more relevant info' on Barium for you to mull over. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=757621&postcount=8

I would also like to add that Barium is used in the manufacture of televison screens.

Alkali-barium Silicate Glass
Without this type of glass watching TV would be dangerous. A television produces X-rays that must be absorbed, otherwise long term exposure could lead to health problems. The X-rays are absorbed by the glass with minimum amounts of the heavy oxide Barium.

Can you see a constant developing?

[realfake]

The following quote you posted above...didn't want to repeat the whole post with pic etc. Do you have a theory on why they would be using the Barium to create cloud cover......what are they trying to cover up in the skies:confused:I reckon it's an attempt to deflect the increasing amount of energy that our Sun/Galaxy is putting out. But i can't give you a definitive answer, i'm afraid.

[john connor]

most of the above theories sound plausable and i've considered them all, whatever the real reason its definently having an adverse effect on us so we are obviously expendable in whatever they are up to, what do you all make of the Morgellons link to these things?...thats some scary shit...I wonder does anyone know if the US has been getting sprayed longer than us? it may account why they have higher rates of infection...the real Q is what positive action can we take to alert the mass's?..then again maybe posting suggestions on an open forum is forwarning them....

[astrochicken]

most of the above theories sound plausable and i've considered them all, whatever the real reason its definently having an adverse effect on us so we are obviously expendable in whatever they are up to, what do you all make of the Morgellons link to these things?...thats some scary shit...I wonder does anyone know if the US has been getting sprayed longer than us? it may account why they have higher rates of infection...the real Q is what positive action can we take to alert the mass's?..then again maybe posting suggestions on an open forum is forwarning them....

I dunno about morgellons.. judging by the proximity of cases in the US i'd hazzard a guess that it's more food-related.

[lupa]

[QUOTE=john connor;762825] the real Q is what positive action can we take to alert the mass's?..QUOTE]

I thought about this today. even thought about a trip to a print/photocopy shop and have around 500 leaflets made. with links to youtube etc so they can see for themselves. the amount of takeaway leaflets i get through my letter box, i never really look at but the cheap printed black and white things for carpet cleaning window cleaning etc i always tend to look at. just to see what they are flogging. 500 simple printed flyers = around £6.00p

pass them out when out or about in town as your walking along or play postie and pop them through the letter box.

[realfake]

most of the above theories sound plausable and i've considered them all, whatever the real reason its definently having an adverse effect on us so we are obviously expendable in whatever they are up to, what do you all make of the Morgellons link to these things?...thats some scary shit...I wonder does anyone know if the US has been getting sprayed longer than us? it may account why they have higher rates of infection...the real Q is what positive action can we take to alert the mass's?..then again maybe posting suggestions on an open forum is forwarning them....

Alerting the majority is the biggest challenge. You have to consider that what you see on a daily basis is also going on above their heads too, and they are absolutely oblivious to it.

I have often asked myself why i can see what is going on, but others do not?

They see nothing wrong with the world, so they have no reason to entertain 'wild conspiracy theories'

We have a responsibility to alert people regardless of the amount of resistance we encounter. Our theories may differ, but we all agree on one thing - We are not the ones who are going to benefit from the crap being dumped in the lower atmosphere.

[realfake]

I thought about this today. even thought about a trip to a print/photocopy shop and have around 500 leaflets made. with links to youtube etc so they can see for themselves. the amount of takeaway leaflets i get through my letter box, i never really look at but the cheap printed black and white things for carpet cleaning window cleaning etc i always tend to look at. just to see what they are flogging. 500 simple printed flyers = around £6.00p

pass them out when out or about in town as your walking along or play postie and pop them through the letter box. I'm going to look into the cost of getting some large posters printed in preparation for the arrival of summer.

The spraying has intensified greatly during the summer for three consecutive years here (North East England) So i'm hoping to indulge in a spot of flyposting when there are more people spending quality time outdoors to witness this fact.

[always_rebel]

Anybody here tried a chemtrail buster?

Looks easy to build and really works:




http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=763084#post763084

[john connor]

[QUOTE=john connor;762825] the real Q is what positive action can we take to alert the mass's?..QUOTE]

I thought about this today. even thought about a trip to a print/photocopy shop and have around 500 leaflets made. with links to youtube etc so they can see for themselves. the amount of takeaway leaflets i get through my letter box, i never really look at but the cheap printed black and white things for carpet cleaning window cleaning etc i always tend to look at. just to see what they are flogging. 500 simple printed flyers = around £6.00p

pass them out when out or about in town as your walking along or play postie and pop them through the letter box.

Well if your a dab hand at leaflet design and want to get more printed I'll chip in half..or even photocopy them at work..may as well get somthing back from my council tax:)

[lupa]

[QUOTE=lupa;762930]

Well if your a dab hand at leaflet design and want to get more printed I'll chip in half..or even photocopy them at work..may as well get somthing back from my council tax:)

sounds good to me john muhhaahaha!! :D:D

[john connor]

Alerting the majority is the biggest challenge. You have to consider that what you see on a daily basis is also going on above their heads too, and they are absolutely oblivious to it.

I have often asked myself why i can see what is going on, but others do not?

They see nothing wrong with the world, so they have no reason to entertain 'wild conspiracy theories'

We have a responsibility to alert people regardless of the amount of resistance we encounter. Our theories may differ, but we all agree on one thing - We are not the ones who are going to benefit from the crap being dumped in the lower atmosphere.

There must be practical things we can do..IE maybe we could set up a chemtrail community / social group on here and pool resources..as in maybe someone is a graphic designer / artist can produce leaflet/poster designs...maybe one of us has a printer friend? bumper stickers? It frustrates me to do nothing other than tell who I can verbally and make dvd copies...is anyone a member of a dedicated chemtrail site? the only ones I have come accross seem to be US based..it's not in my nature to do nothing or quit regardless of the odd's or the size of the opponent

[lupa]

There must be practical things we can do..IE maybe we could set up a chemtrail community / social group on here and pool resources..as in maybe someone is a graphic designer / artist can produce leaflet/poster designs...maybe one of us has a printer friend? bumper stickers? It frustrates me to do nothing other than tell who I can verbally and make dvd copies...is anyone a member of a dedicated chemtrail site? the only ones I have come accross seem to be US based..it's not in my nature to do nothing or quit regardless of the odd's or the size of the opponent

i can do the design no problem. and i'll get them out there. i'll post every letter box in my area, the web side of things is not my speciality so that would need someone elses imput. it would cost next to nothing to have say white A5 size sheets of paper with good old black font. there's plenty of backstreet printers that are crying out for business where you can get a good deal. if you can word it with links to go to etc i'll get on it.

[john connor]

i can do the design no problem. and i'll get them out there. i'll post every letter box in my area, the web side of things is not my speciality so that would need someone elses imput. it would cost next to nothing to have say white A5 size sheets of paper with good old black font. there's plenty of backstreet printers that are crying out for business where you can get a good deal. if you can word it with links to go to etc i'll get on it.

maybe it should be a simple worded approach? somthing like Open your eyes ..look up...sort of thing and GOOGLE CHEMTRAILS....seen that on the back of a £20 note:) one way of doing it I guess..not exactly legal tho;)..be better with a link to a top search engine rated dedicated web site tho..I dont think there is one in the UK tho..or I havent found one

[lupa]

maybe it should be a simple worded approach? somthing like Open your eyes ..look up...sort of thing and GOOGLE CHEMTRAILS....seen that on the back of a £20 note:) one way of doing it I guess..not exactly legal tho;)..be better with a link to a top search engine rated dedicated web site tho..I dont think there is one in the UK tho..or I havent found one

I did see one before i came here john, flipping cant remember what the site was. kind of data base for times and areas being sprayed. think that WOULD go over the general publics head to be honest. you need hard hitting words basics that say whats going on with links to show this is going on, alot will dismiss it as rubbish but some will see it and start to search, wake up and then should pass the info along. this could it could spread like wild fire

[john connor]

I did see one before i came here john, flipping cant remember what the site was. kind of data base for times and areas being sprayed. think that WOULD go over the general publics head to be honest. you need hard hitting words basics that say whats going on with links to show this is going on, alot will dismiss it as rubbish but some will see it and start to search, wake up and then should pass the info along. this could it could spread like wild fire

ideally...you check the weather...wait till it's forcast 'clear' for a few days then u can pretty much guarantee the buggers will be up their spraying..best time to give leaflets out or post them...maybe some will bother to look up then

[always_rebel]

Anybody here tried a chemtrail buster?

Looks easy to build and really works:



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=763084#post763084

Well, well, I'd thought it would generate loads of interest but none of you "so much concerned" about chemtrails even bothered to comment.

So much for your concern people.

Have a good life with chemtrails!

[lupa]

Well, well, I'd thought it would generate loads of interest but none of you "so much concerned" about chemtrails even bothered to comment.

So much for your concern people.

Have a good life with chemtrails!

dont you need a C.B radio?.. which will need a license and i dont like signing up for anything like that.

[griswald]

Well, well, I'd thought it would generate loads of interest but none of you "so much concerned" about chemtrails even bothered to comment.

So much for your concern people.

Have a good life with chemtrails!

I have seen somewhere on the forum here of some group in Ireland that were trying to organise cloudbusters and gifting of masts ect, but I cant seem to find the thread on it.

I think it was a general comment on another topic. I haven,t tried it myself. But I,d be interested to see how effective it was, as there is some serious chemtrailing apparent now where I live.

griswald

[lupa]

saturday 31st january 11.am

clear blue sky as i took my dog for a walk. in leicestershire the spray planes are out in force. i could see planes all over the place spraying. i've just got back in time is 12:27 and the beautiful blue clear sky has almost disapeared. there is still a patch of blue over my house but no doubt in an hour or so that will have vanished.

edit: time check 12:58pm and that patch of blue over my house is now being covered over.. taken pics and video. will upload to lappy to take a closer look later.

[antinwo]

Yeah that is what I notice every day and if there is any blue sky that peeps through the clouds then a nice chemtrail plane knacks it up again:mad:

[cleopatraxxx]

Bradford, then Leeds, is where we travel from and to, full of chemtrails, all morning till mid day :-(

[lupa]

heres a photo i took from yesterday as i mentioned on my last post on this thread just as i set out with the dog the sky was so blue. but the planes where all over the place spraying.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/amberlane35/DSCF0629.jpg

[rjl9332]

yesterday was a very heavy dose of chemshit over Herts. and having just got back from Chamonix in the Alps I can safely say that being tucked away in the mountains doesnt help either. God damn these pilots that keep going with the agenda.

[antinwo]

They are just dumb people who serve their masters a bit like the military in general

[marpat]

They are just dumb people who serve their masters a bit like the military in general

I suppose they are no different to the truth seekers who claim to know the system and its evils yet financially support it every time they pay their bills and taxes. Who is the worst, those who dont know if they are doing wrong or those who claim to know but wont do anything about it?

[realfake]

Yeah that is what I notice every day and if there is any blue sky that peeps through the clouds then a nice chemtrail plane knacks it up again:mad: An umbrella with holes wouldn't be much use, would it?

http://usera.ImageCave.com/realfake/Sunblock.jpg

When the sun shine
We'll shine together..
..You can stand under my umbrella
You can stand under my umbrella :D

[cleopatraxxx]

Originally Posted by antinwo
They are just dumb people who serve their masters a bit like the military in generalI suppose they are no different to the truth seekers who claim to know the system and its evils yet financially support it every time they pay their bills and taxes. Who is the worst, those who dont know if they are doing wrong or those who claim to know but wont do anything about it?

hello marpat,
i have dscussed the same question you posed. i asked the opinions within a group of aquaitances with whom we were going on about these matters.

i would describe this specific situation as a dual aspect of what this reality is about: good vs bad, real vs unreal, male vs female, etc... .
Regarding the first observation: "truth seekers who claim to know the system and its evils yet financially support it every time they pay their bills and taxes", my question to this is - do the truth seekers have an option within this deeply rooted system where one individual can be slaughtered if he/she don't comply with the system's rules? On a one vs a system fight you can't really win on your own, unless a huge group expresses this wish same wish, then either something gives and changes or the small group still looses. As a consequence, at least an example has been shown and later a bigger group may emerge and express their wish to change the system: a revolution comes into play if nothing else works peacefully.

conclusion: there are of course ways of fighting the system: in the same way as the system tries deceiving us, we can deceive it too. make yourself on an individual level (first) a "friend" of your enemy to defeat it.

to you next question:
"those who dont know if they are doing wrong or those who claim to know but wont do anything about it?"

, my personal view is:
i don't believe there are those who don't know if they are doing wrong: deep down in our minds and hearts we all KNOW (feel that something isn't as it should be) when something is not 100% right. BUT people prefer to go blind, almost consciously and ignore and don't resist the system, to "live" easier. That to me is worst: The Ignorance. They just ignore to a point where they actually believe it is not ignorance, but the correct way to be. it is a choice.
And the feeling of change knocks on the door to all of us at certains points of our existance: we either accept and do something about it, like becoming at least aware, or we don't and keep on supporting the system.

I am not sure marpat, but it looks to me you have changed a bit in your approach to certain issues. am i right? if so, welcome and lets share the thoughts and keep this search for answers ;)

Cleo :-)

[breezinreezin]

I'm new to this chemtrail business, but I did notice for the first time saturday that the clear blue sky had been obliterated with these plane trails. And now we have this sudden weather change. I was just wondering has the link between chemtrails and HAARP been discussed?

[marpat]

hello marpat,
i have dscussed the same question you posed. i asked the opinions within a group of aquaitances with whom we were going on about these matters.

i would describe this specific situation as a dual aspect of what this reality is about: good vs bad, real vs unreal, male vs female, etc... .
Regarding the first observation: "truth seekers who claim to know the system and its evils yet financially support it every time they pay their bills and taxes", my question to this is - do the truth seekers have an option within this deeply rooted system where one individual can be slaughtered if he/she don't comply with the system's rules? On a one vs a system fight you can't really win on your own, unless a huge group expresses this wish same wish, then either something gives and changes or the small group still looses. As a consequence, at least an example has been shown and later a bigger group may emerge and express their wish to change the system: a revolution comes into play if nothing else works peacefully.

conclusion: there are of course ways of fighting the system: in the same way as the system tries deceiving us, we can deceive it too. make yourself on an individual level (first) a "friend" of your enemy to defeat it.

to you next question:
"those who dont know if they are doing wrong or those who claim to know but wont do anything about it?"

, my personal view is:
i don't believe there are those who don't know if they are doing wrong: deep down in our minds and hearts we all KNOW (feel that something isn't as it should be) when something is not 100% right. BUT people prefer to go blind, almost consciously and ignore and don't resist the system, to "live" easier. That to me is worst: The Ignorance. They just ignore to a point where they actually believe it is not ignorance, but the correct way to be. it is a choice.
And the feeling of change knocks on the door to all of us at certains points of our existance: we either accept and do something about it, like becoming at least aware, or we don't and keep on supporting the system.

I am not sure marpat, but it looks to me you have changed a bit in your approach to certain issues. am i right? if so, welcome and lets share the thoughts and keep this search for answers ;)

Cleo :-)

I could not say I have changed my mind because I have not fallen to one side on the issue, just remained unconvinced.

If my doubts were proven completely wrong then I would be happy to come to terms with that and admit it.

[astrochicken]

did your 'jellyfish' look anything like this?


Nope. The *jellyfishness* was only noticeable as it was about 3 feet away from me. Before that it was just a pulsating blue plasmic ball.


now the Q I have to ask is do we have that sort of technology? If I have to stick my neck out I would say these Orbs are of an alien nature


Since i saw these thingies it just HIT ME.. "The sky is teeming with visible and invisible life and that we are not talking "technology" ie. metal plates,nuts & bolts. Think etheric creatures, beings that are alive and shapeshift into the visible spectrum but basically float about up there eating invisble etheric planctonand. (FUCK LOL.. like a rant about reptiles LOL)

Stating that they are alien, is basically saying that they are not of this earth, and i'm more inclined to think they've been here longer than we have, which makes them terrestrial.

My take on this, is that they are not alien machines but terrestrial creatures and chemtrails are a form of etheric genocide (with some intentional sideeffects for us.. such as bad health, respiratory problems, vitamin D deficiency and ultimately death.)
During the day, and from a distance they appear solitary or en masse as orbs or swarms of orbs (when close, an arm's length, kinda jellyfishy) and at night the same swarms appear as moving stars. They Live.. get your sunglasses out ;)


Sounds worse than it is :)

[astrochicken]

Nope. The *jellyfishness* was only noticeable as it was about 3 feet away from me. Before that it was just a pulsating blue plasmic ball.

xSince i saw these thingies it just HIT ME.. "The sky is teeming with visible and invisible life and that we are not talking "technology" ie. metal plates,nuts & bolts. Think etheric creatures, beings that are alive and shapeshift into the visible spectrum but basically float about up there eating invisble etheric planctonand. (FUCK LOL.. like a rant about reptiles LOL)

Stating that they are alien, is basically saying that they are not of this earth, and i'm more inclined to think they've been here longer than we have, which makes them terrestrial.

My take on this, is that they are not alien machines but terrestrial creatures and chemtrails are a form of etheric genocide (with some intentional sideeffects for us.. such as bad health, respiratory problems, vitamin D deficiency and ultimately death.)
During the day, and from a distance they appear solitary or en masse as orbs or swarms of orbs (when close, an arm's length, kinda jellyfishy) and at night the same swarms appear as moving stars. They Live.. get your sunglasses out ;)
Sounds worse than it is :)

I was googling for images to describe what happened as it's impossible to describe accurately what i was seeing.
Here are 2 images, the 2nd of which is absolutely brilliant and depicts perfectly the entire *feel* of what was going on at the time:

The *shooting* stars (@top of 2nd image) would morph into these blue plasmic balls (1st image) which when closer had a jellyfish/manta feel like the bottom of 2nd image)

http://www.cheatuniversum.com/Fantasy%20klein/glow_in_the_dark_v2.jpg

http://www.cco.net/~trufax/catalog/m5.jpg

Just saw this as someone's avatar on the forum, now i'll have to go off on a tangent and read the matrix thread and stuff and on optional reincarnation.


Those living orbs fit right in with what i encountered gazing at the pleiades and the orbs making a sri yantra (repeatedly until i *got* it)

I LOVE THIS FORUM.

[john connor]

Thats really cool Astro...way more intersting to look at than the metallic Orbs I see

[realfake]

I was googling for images to describe what happened as it's impossible to describe accurately what i was seeing.
Here are 2 images, the 2nd of which is absolutely brilliant and depicts perfectly the entire *feel* of what was going on at the time:

The *shooting* stars (@top of 2nd image) would morph into these blue plasmic balls (1st image) which when closer had a jellyfish/manta feel like the bottom of 2nd image)

http://www.cheatuniversum.com/Fantasy%20klein/glow_in_the_dark_v2.jpg

http://www.cco.net/~trufax/catalog/m5.jpg

Just saw this as someone's avatar on the forum, now i'll have to go off on a tangent and read the matrix thread and stuff and on optional reincarnation.


Those living orbs fit right in with what i encountered gazing at the pleiades and the orbs making a sri yantra (repeatedly until i *got* it)

I LOVE THIS FORUM.

Awesome find, seriously!

Remove the tenticles from the creature in that second image and you're pretty much looking at what i saw. It wasn't emitting any light, and it had more of a translucent quality, but that is still uncanny! It's even portrayed stationary (about 20ft) above those peoples heads just like the thing i saw was when it first caught my eye.

I often wonder how long it had been watching me, before i spotted it and what may have happened if i hadn't.. One things for sure, it was inquisitive and i didn't feel threatened in any way, shape, or form.

[astrochicken]

The tentacles threw me off too... as i only saw a single *tail* just like a manta, but i was also standing alone outside at the time, so i'm thinking that there was only one tentacle at that time as the image seems to depict individual *threads* directly influenced by the amount of people. The bottom end though is just like i was trying to explain when i said they morphed from giant soapy blue translucent bubbles to a crystal ball that i could hold in my hand and the next second i was standing inside this blue pulsating fog-machined sphere.

I,also, would just LOVE to talk to the artist of that picture.

It's a fucking crazy old world we're living in!!

I'm kinda freaked (in a good way) as i was never the spiritual type, you know, i'd scoff at hippy wifeys with their crystal-laden blankets at festivals.. FUCK.. i'm turning in to one of them LOL

What i noticed is that it was more a kind of visualising as opposed to seeing. Thinking back, my *eyes* were preoccupied with focusing on something else entirely different so, i suppose, the third eye just fills in the blanks and sees between the lines just like with stereoscopic images. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42984)

[john connor]

As kenneth williams might have said "Spraying Today" X's mark the spot all over this morning:mad:

[realfake]

As kenneth williams might have said "Spraying Today" X's mark the spot all over this morning:mad: Looks like a little target practice is in order!
http://usera.ImageCave.com/realfake/xmarksthespot.jpg

[astrochicken]

Looks like a little target practice is in order!
http://usera.ImageCave.com/realfake/xmarksthespot.jpg


those bloody anarchists again ;)

[lupa]

I was talking to my mum last night. now I've mentioned chem trails to her on many occasion's plus other things but not to sure if she was really taking it in.

anyway! last night she said 'oh i was watching that program whats it called that house program..homes under the hammer, she likes that..she watches some crap lol anyway then she said you know those chemtrails you talk about? well on the program you could see them all over the sky when they were filming outside lol

my mum is waking up :)

[john connor]

I was talking to my mum last night. now I've mentioned chem trails to her on many occasion's plus other things but not to sure if she was really taking it in.

anyway! last night she said 'oh i was watching that program whats it called that house program..homes under the hammer, she likes that..she watches some crap lol anyway then she said you know those chemtrails you talk about? well on the program you could see them all over the sky when they were filming outside lol

my mum is waking up :)

Hi

way to go Lupa...was watching an episode of Heroe's I had downloaded last night...saw them in that too

[lupa]

Hi

way to go Lupa...was watching an episode of Heroe's I had downloaded last night...saw them in that too

tricksy fckers aint they...sneeking it your subconscious like that...very tricksy

[bigjayonline]

Check these bad bad boys out. South Manchester...every time its bright usually but finally managed to catch them when i had a camera handy...missus thinks im mad tho!!!

[john connor]

Check these bad bad boys out. South Manchester...every time its bright usually but finally managed to catch them when i had a camera handy...missus thinks im mad tho!!!

Not mad mate, I wish I was, I wish it was all treatable:) somedays I think I've spent too much time on this forum:D until I see the B******* spraying over head...had a bleedin cough for 9 weeks now, so have lots of people I know, wait till you see a bloody orb, your missus will really think your mad then:D I posted pics of them on here a while back, 6 times in 2 months I have seen them when the sprayers are out, bring back spot the ball I say;)

[cleopatraxxx]

Not mad mate, I wish I was, I wish it was all treatable:) somedays I think I've spent too much time on this forum:D until I see the B******* spraying over head...had a bleedin cough for 9 weeks now, so have lots of people I know, wait till you see a bloody orb, your missus will really think your mad then:D I posted pics of them on here a while back, 6 times in 2 months I have seen them when the sprayers are out, bring back spot the ball I say;)

my husband thought i was mad, untill (ACTUALLY) i showed him all other pics we post here. He knows of my collection i have from Africa on HAARP and now he is not surprised anymore when i open the window of our car to register more chemtrails. this happens daily.

[griswald]

As kenneth williams might have said "Spraying Today" X's mark the spot all over this morning:mad:

X marks the spot in Ireland too. Must be something in the symbolic reason for spraying too:confused:


Chemtrail or Contrail 2. - YouTube
griswald

[lupa]

ok I dont know if this is relevant or not but to cut a long story short. my ex boyfriend whisked me away to his in the early hours this morning due to something that happened the night before involving the M.O.D & someone who works in a cancer lab. im not going to mention that but thats the reason why my ex whisked me away because he was worried about me. it was 4am.

ok so we are driving along and i saw a chemtrail, a really thick one going right through the moon. he's a little dubious still on trails but he saw it. it was as thick as the diameter of the moon and streaked right accross the sky. now heres the odd bit, we stopped the car to have a look and when we were outside the car it had vanished! soon as we got back into the car you could see it so clearly through the car windows. his windows are slightly tinted. i know they are blocking out the sun..but why the moon?? i wish a had my camera with me but did'nt think i would need to at 4 in the morning.

[astrochicken]

i know they are blocking out the sun..but why the moon?? i wish a had my camera with me but did'nt think i would need to at 4 in the morning.

My take is
1. they are targeting etheric entities
2. wierd stuff is happening up there which they don't want us seeing and thus stop us from going *click*. *wierd* stuff most easily seen with constellations etc. as reference points.
3. haarp and mapping the grid to pinpoint accuracy
4. the sideeffects on our health

in that order.

[forza nascosta]

Planes were up early this morning. Saw the beginnings of a noughts and crosses board being made. Had to get to work so wasn't able to get the photo's I would have liked, still here is one.

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/12_02_2009/DSCF8728_2.jpg

BTW, does anyone know why my neighbour would need an aerial that size on his house???

[marpat]

Planes were up early this morning. Saw the beginnings of a noughts and crosses board being made. Had to get to work so wasn't able to get the photo's I would have liked, still here is one.

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/12_02_2009/DSCF8728_2.jpg

BTW, does anyone know why my neighbour would need an aerial that size on his house???


He might be into radios!!!!! when I was younger loads of people were into CB and had antennae all over the place. Looks like a pretty standard yagi array.

[lupa]

i stayed at my ex partners again, picked me up just before 4am again. we did not see the trail through the moon this time but what i forgot to mention last night was on the way to his after we saw the trail through the moon he mentioned a news report in the local paper i think, or it was local news on tv about this wierd stuff found on the grass in the tamworth area. now i've never mentioned to him about the cobweb material falling from the sky. he called it snails snot lol anyway they didnt know what this stuff was, unexplained goo? could that be the cobweb type substance conected to chemtrails? i told him about the cobwebs as soon as he came out with that.

so he works till the early hours and does'nt usually wake up till laround unch so i got up early to feed his pheasants..it was a lovely sunrise and looked like a nice days sun and blue sky to be had..yea right! they had allready started with a couple of big trails in the sky. within an hour the sun had disapeared as usual and back to the milky sky..as usual.

so he finally wakes up and he's having a ciggie outside while he takes the bin outside for the dustmen and you can hear the planes up above, so i say to him can you hear that? they are at it again..and straight away he says; those are fighter jets, as i've mentioned on a previous post, my ex knows his birds. so i say well thats what i can hear all the time over my house when they have been spraying, he replied well they are fighter jets at high altitude.

I dont know if what im writing here is any help to anyone because im in the dark about what they are doing. its obvious they are masking the sky because they are doing something up there that they do not want us seeing, and yes i do believe that it is affecting our health, whether intentional or not, but when did our health ever matter to them anyway, but i tend to listen to my ex when he's talking about planes due to him being abit nerdy about them.

[marpat]

i stayed at my ex partners again, picked me up just before 4am again. we did not see the trail through the moon this time but what i forgot to mention last night was on the way to his after we saw the trail through the moon he mentioned a news report in the local paper i think, or it was local news on tv about this wierd stuff found on the grass in the tamworth area. now i've never mentioned to him about the cobweb material falling from the sky. he called it snails snot lol anyway they didnt know what this stuff was, unexplained goo? could that be the cobweb type substance conected to chemtrails? i told him about the cobwebs as soon as he came out with that.

so he works till the early hours and does'nt usually wake up till laround unch so i got up early to feed his pheasants..it was a lovely sunrise and looked like a nice days sun and blue sky to be had..yea right! they had allready started with a couple of big trails in the sky. within an hour the sun had disapeared as usual and back to the milky sky..as usual.

so he finally wakes up and he's having a ciggie outside while he takes the bin outside for the dustmen and you can hear the planes up above, so i say to him can you hear that? they are at it again..and straight away he says; those are fighter jets, as i've mentioned on a previous post, my ex knows his birds. so i say well thats what i can hear all the time over my house when they have been spraying, he replied well they are fighter jets at high altitude.

I dont know if what im writing here is any help to anyone because im in the dark about what they are doing. its obvious they are masking the sky because they are doing something up there that they do not want us seeing, and yes i do believe that it is affecting our health, whether intentional or not, but when did our health ever matter to them anyway, but i tend to listen to my ex when he's talking about planes due to him being abit nerdy about them.

I doubt you can hear fighter jets at high altitude for the same reason you cant hear passenger jets high up.

A fighter jet is the wrong type of aircraft for a large scale spray job purely because of the limited capacity. Why use a small jet when a big one would do a better job?

Just because your ex is nerdy about planes it does not follow that he knows all the facts. I know aircraft nerds but they still get caught out with things.

[lightgiver]

ok I dont know if this is relevant or not but to cut a long story short. my ex boyfriend whisked me away to his in the early hours this morning due to something that happened the night before involving the M.O.D & someone who works in a cancer lab. im not going to mention that but thats the reason why my ex whisked me away because he was worried about me. it was 4am.

ok so we are driving along and i saw a chemtrail, a really thick one going right through the moon. he's a little dubious still on trails but he saw it. it was as thick as the diameter of the moon and streaked right accross the sky. now heres the odd bit, we stopped the car to have a look and when we were outside the car it had vanished! soon as we got back into the car you could see it so clearly through the car windows. his windows are slightly tinted. i know they are blocking out the sun..but why the moon?? i wish a had my camera with me but did'nt think i would need to at 4 in the morning.


I to have witnessed this on many occasions also.

Planes side by side also doing it.

[lupa]

I doubt you can hear fighter jets at high altitude for the same reason you cant hear passenger jets high up.

A fighter jet is the wrong type of aircraft for a large scale spray job purely because of the limited capacity. Why use a small jet when a big one would do a better job?

Just because your ex is nerdy about planes it does not follow that he knows all the facts. I know aircraft nerds but they still get caught out with things.

Ive seen and heard the big planes when they are spraying ..have photographic and video proof. the sound of the planes are different once the sky turns milky. i typed high altitude because he said they were high up. i assumed they were very high.

no he does not know all the facts, nor do you & neighter do I..was just trying to help thats all ..

[lightgiver]

Ive seen and heard the big planes when they are spraying ..have photographic and video proof. the sound of the planes are different once the sky turns milky. i typed high altitude because he said they were high up. i assumed they were very high.

no he does not know all the facts, nor do you & neighter do I..was just trying to help thats all ..

Thats the spirit :) The more that expose this the better.

[marpat]

I to have witnessed this on many occasions also.

Planes side by side also doing it.

Wow, you dont think that military jets might actually fly in formation do you?

[lightgiver]

The chemtrailers out in force again today!

and everyday on here.

Disinformation agents are people working for the organized stalking and electronic harassment perpetrators whose job it is to prevent the truth from getting out and discrediting other posters.

I am surprised they get the time.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. 1 video posted keeps doing the disappearing act?

STRANGE DAYS STRANGE SKIES
YOU ARE NOW BREATHING ETHYLENE DIBROMIDE, NANO-PARTICULATES OF ALUMINUM AND BARIUM AND CATIONIC POLYMER FIBERS WITH UNIDENTIFIED BIOACTIVE MATERIAL: "We the people have not been warned, advised or consulted but are certainly vulnerable to the outcomes." Lightwatcher.com "Biologic components have been reported in airborne samples that include: modified molds, desiccated red blood cells and exotic strains of bacteria" Additionally, award winning investigative reporter, Will Thomas, has reported findings of over 300 types of virally mutated fungi in the chemtrail fall out. The Idaho Observer has reported findings of 26 metals including barium, aluminum and uranium, a variety of infectious pathogens and chemicals and drugs including sedatives in chemtrail fallout. Dr.R. Michael Castle reports the finding of cationic polymer fibers. Others have reported findings of tiny parasitic nematode eggs of some type encased in the fibers. Researcher Clifford Carnicom has reported finding chemtrails fibers that are an exact match with the bizarre fibers found in those suffering from Morgellons Disease. Welcome to the brave new world of toxic barium skies, weather control, mind control and population control through the use of chemtrails modulated with electromagnetic frequencies generated by HAARP. Our health is under attack as evidenced by the skyrocketing rates of chemtrail induced lung cancer, asthma and pulmonary/respiratory problems as well as the emergence of a new plague, Morgellons Disease, an infection with a new and unknown pathogen that is seriously disabling and disfiguring. Over 12,000 families in the U.S. are now infected with Morgellons. I am one of the infected. Our skies are increasingly hazed over with fake barium/ aluminum particulate, ethylene dibromide chemtrail clouds. Whether in the atmosphere or in the Ocean this added particulate matter is a hazard to the health of every living thing on this planet. My health and the health of my family has already been drastically affected. There is a main-stream media blackout on this subject so the only way to get the word out is by word of mouth. People are already dying because of the chemtrails. Life expectancy is down. This situation presents an immediate and serious threat to you, your family and loved ones. We must join together to stop this insane program of chemtrail spraying now. Please do what you can to help.

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies

1 of many tactics employed by agents of deception,

Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

and another tactic used,

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

[marpat]

So can you identify any metalic taste in your mouth if you are breathing this stuff in? that means the evidence must be absolutely everywhere, have you collected any for presentation to court or perhaps to some medical examiner?

Lets see it then, where is the evidence that you claim to be breathing in? have you been to the doctors for a blood test? you might even show up on a metal detector or be attracted to magnets.

[lightgiver]

chemtrail agents

'CONTRAILS' are the normal trails of jets and comprise of ice crystals formed from moisture emitted in the engine exhaust and usually evaporate within a few minutes of appearing. Contrails are usually only made and observed at fairly high altitudes, in most cases, in temperate regions, above 25,000 feet. Contrails are ICE.


'CHEMTRAILS' are laid down in a similar way to normal contrails, but do not evaporate; instead they linger in the air, disperse widely and form a greyish, streaky cloud-like cover which can last all day. They are not made of ice crystals, but of solid, very fine, particulate matter. And will therefore land on the ground, water, sea, and in our lungs, as widely dispersed, but nevertheless, SOLID physical matter.

HEALTH: There appear to be serious consequences to the health of human, animal and vegetable life onto which the spray falls. There are reports of Chemtrail spraying going back to 1991. Around 1993, many countries began to experience a large increase in illness of many types, especially connected with respiratory conditions. Also: pneumonia, influenza, viruses, allergies, etc. From around 1998, there seems to have been an increase in Chemtrail spraying, and likewise, an increase in illness in humans and animals, and abnormalities to vegetation.

Greetings.
It has been eight long years since phantom spray planes first appeared in the skies above our heads. This was in summer of 1998. Since then, there has been a ongoing high level campaign of discreditidation and ridicule directed at anyone who points out the strange anomalies occurring above.

Today, chemtrails are still being sprayed into the atmosphere world wide. The media and scientific poobahs continue to ignore the facts and eagerly assist in covering up the evidence. As a result we continue to suffer from the deleterious effects of global atmospheric modification.

I do find it interesting, however, that the Lightwatcher's H.O.S. site continues to generate more and more hits (up to 14,000 per day) - greater than any of LW.com's other sibling sites. This is an indicator that the topic is far from dead and buried.

You wake up dead tired. You feel like you've been hit by a truck. Sleep becomes sporadic, if at all. When sound sleep occurs, the restoration of energy is minimal causing you to meticulously save your energy like a miser hoards gold. If you force yourself into activities beyond the scope of your normal daily chores, you pay a heavy price. A possible consequence is being bedridden for days. You have trouble concentrating. Short-term memory losses make you feel like you're trapped in a brain fog. You have unexplained muscle aches and joint pains like a never-ending flu. Your spouse and family don't understand this new metamorphic change in you, going from active and bubbly to sick and decrepit in the prime of your life almost overnight. Your social life has disintegrated and once close friends are slowly drifting away because the monotonous explanation that you're too tired to see a movie or go out to dinner has waned thin. Your taking an abundance of sick time and your boss is starting to question your sanity. Nobody understands. Nobody believes. Nobody offers help. Well, almost nobody.

http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/hos.html

also agents of deception

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

BRITAIN: Chemtrails are badly effecting the British Isles. On many days you will notice the trails of planes linger in the sky for many hours, forming a wispy, dispersed 'cloud' cover, obscuring the sky above and reducing sunlight. A large increase in illness occurred in the British Isles around 1993/94 (The two very first reports I have seen for 'Chemtrail' spraying were for 1992 and 1993, around west and mid-west of USA. The spray ingredients would have been dispersed worldwide within a few weeks of their release). In recent years, there has been a large increase in the incidence of asthma. Also, colds, nagging coughs, flus, and viruses which are very severe and never seem to clear up.

[marpat]

How can they be covering up the evidence when nobody is providing any?

You claim that we breath this stuff in yet has anybody in here produced evidence of this? all we get is few vids on youtube and people are expected to believe them as factual.

Why deliver stuff into the atmosphere when they could put it into water and then cover that up? surely it would get into people a lot quicker and how many people test their water for such contamination? it would be easier to cover up as there would be no trails in the sky to look at as well.

[lightgiver]

BRITAIN: Chemtrails are badly effecting the British Isles. On many days you will notice the trails of planes linger in the sky for many hours, forming a wispy, dispersed 'cloud' cover, obscuring the sky above and reducing sunlight. A large increase in illness occurred in the British Isles around 1993/94 (The two very first reports I have seen for 'Chemtrail' spraying were for 1992 and 1993, around west and mid-west of USA. The spray ingredients would have been dispersed worldwide within a few weeks of their release). In recent years, there has been a large increase in the incidence of asthma. Also, colds, nagging coughs, flus, and viruses which are very severe and never seem to clear up.

also agents of deception

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

Aerosol Attack - YouTube

1 video posted,keeps doing the disappearing act.?

Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

how do they get the time and hold down a job at the same time :confused::D and never come up for breath.

[leviathanstaar]

Why not put it in the atmosphere?
Why not use all available resources to you?

I am now starting to see the ins and outs of debunking issues that while not totally proven, have shown large amounts of evidence and are highly probable.

The small city I live in is in Ontario Can and this is happening there as well.

The likelyhood that this is military Jet contrails is very slim.
Aircraft can be viewed in the sky leaving regular contrails sometimes, and the other trails simply are very very unlikely to be a regular contrail of any type.

This is not about this IS whats happening, or ISNT.

It is about one theory (we are being sprayed) vs another (we're all simply wrong and the lines sky has always looked like a wide angle sets of clouds in the shape of falling paper that take a long time to dissipate, and form checkerboards)

The fact is no one knows. Oh and evidence samples?
Try bringing said evidence to anywhere with the 'recognized' scientific knowhow to decipher results, and you will receive the same answer you get when ask any question about something you're not suppose to know.

[lightgiver]

Why not put it in the atmosphere?
Why not use all available resources to you?

I am now starting to see the ins and outs of debunking issues that while not totally proven, have shown large amounts of evidence and are highly probable.

The small city I live in is in Ontario Can and this is happening there as well.

The likelyhood that this is military Jet contrails is very slim.
Aircraft can be viewed in the sky leaving regular contrails sometimes, and the other trails simply are very very unlikely to be a regular contrail of any type.

This is not about this IS whats happening, or ISNT.

It is about one theory (we are being sprayed) vs another (we're all simply wrong and the lines sky has always looked like a wide angle sets of clouds in the shape of falling paper that take a long time to dissipate, and form checkerboards)

The fact is no one knows. Oh and evidence samples?
Try bringing said evidence to anywhere with the 'recognized' scientific knowhow to decipher results, and you will receive the same answer you get when ask any question about something you're not suppose to know.

If you do the research there are people who have collected samples,try reading through these posts or just simply google it tons of info,you do not have to be Einstein.

[forza nascosta]

He might be into radios!!!!! when I was younger loads of people were into CB and had antennae all over the place. Looks like a pretty standard yagi array.

Cheers for that. Thought it was a bit over top for tv! It is a beast of an aerial.

[lightgiver]

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.:rolleyes:

I suppose thousands of people are wrong and a couple of people on this forum are correct :rolleyes:

FFS.

[rhiannon]

Since 20th January they have been spraying my way (south london/surrey) They were spraying all day that day and have been out most days since.

They start about 9am.... go on for a big part of the day, then come back at night.

Today there was a huge black helicopter hovvering round for ages. I have heard this at night loads of times but only saw it for the first time today. I am going to start photographing.

It seems there is a big UK wide campaign that's been massively stepped up since that date.

Tell me if you think I'm being para but could this be linked in with the New US presidency and people foretelling of Marshall Law being declared in US and UK?

Could there be a link or do I need to get out more LOL

[metacomet]

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by


Hmmm yes. Never get's old does it ;)

The cute thing is they think they are slowing our progress by asking endless stupid questions and demanding proof.

[naturalcanvas]

Since 20th January they have been spraying my way (south london/surrey) They were spraying all day that day and have been out most days since.

They start about 9am.... go on for a big part of the day, then come back at night.

Today there was a huge black helicopter hovvering round for ages. I have heard this at night loads of times but only saw it for the first time today. I am going to start photographing.

It seems there is a big UK wide campaign that's been massively stepped up since that date.

Tell me if you think I'm being para but could this be linked in with the New US presidency and people foretelling of Marshall Law being declared in US and UK?

Could there be a link or do I need to get out more LOL

[QUOTE=rhiannon;800468]Since 20th January they have been spraying my way (south london/surrey) They were spraying all day that day and have been out most days since.

They start about 9am.... go on for a big part of the day, then come back at night.

Today there was a huge black helicopter hovvering round for ages. I have heard this at night loads of times but only saw it for the first time today. I am going to start photographing.

It seems there is a big UK wide campaign that's been massively stepped up since that date.


Trails all over oxford on the 12th feb 7.30-8am. Was a clear blue sky with criss cross grid of thick white trails. Didnt have batts for camera!!! they were as far as the eye could see. by 9.30 the sky was a fine white mist. And i also agree that the snow this month was not like it normally is. When you picked up a chunk it wasn't really that cold??? and just felt wrong?? it froze solid too for days.. very strange indeed.

[john connor]

Hmmm yes. Never get's old does it ;)

The cute thing is they think they are slowing our progress by asking endless stupid questions and demanding proof.

To be honest I wont even debate / argue with people who STILL deny the chemtrail agenda, it's a waste of good energy which I dont have a lot of anymore, like a lot of others I feel constantly tired / lethargic. The sprayers are BUSY here again in the East Midlands today. I have to hold my hands up and say that it has only been the last week that I have started to really look into the Codex agenda, it wouldnt suprise me to find out Monsanto are behind the crap they are spraying, then again I will admit to being biased in my dislike for everything that Evil Company stands for.

[lupa]

they are very busy today arnt they john. i'm the same now with debunkers, they either have complete brain freeze or they have picked their side and are sticking to it. good luck fckers your gonna need it. there has been quite a few choppers flying very low past my place lately. already counted 3 this morning and they are not the police copter.

[boots]

How can they be covering up the evidence when nobody is providing any?

You claim that we breath this stuff in yet has anybody in here produced evidence of this? all we get is few vids on youtube and people are expected to believe them as factual.

Why deliver stuff into the atmosphere when they could put it into water and then cover that up? surely it would get into people a lot quicker and how many people test their water for such contamination? it would be easier to cover up as there would be no trails in the sky to look at as well.


Oh dear marpat I produced this link for you before yet you did not reply again to that thread. I wonder why?

So here it is again.

http://www.chemtrails911.com/intro_to_chem.htm


SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
There is information that has not been placed on this page yet and is still on the home page (http://www.chemtrails911.com/index.htm)

As head of the Armed Services oversight committee, CongressmanDennis Kucinich is acquainted with chemtrail projects. He introduced the Space Preservation Act 2001 (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/spacepreservationact2001.html) to prohibit certain "space-based weapons" of the United States, including chemtrails. In Sec.7(2)(B)(ii) of the bill, it states "The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following…" and "Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as…chemtrails".

Unfortunately, the bill was rejected as is and was extremely watered down into
the Space Preservation Act 2002 (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/spacepreservationact2002.html) in which the term "chemtrails" was
completely removed from the text, along with other important language,
so as to allow the chemical spraying to continue.

Read more on this... 1 (http://www.tetrahedron.org/news/NR020114.html), 2 (http://www.columbusalive.com/2002/20020328/032802/03280205.html), 3 (http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/06/2698.php)

Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming:
Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Base (http://www.nap.edu/books/0309043867/html/)
This is a massive research study from 1992 and sponsored by the
National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, and
Institute of Medicine. This study was approved and funded by congess and
is the textbook on greenhouse gasses, global warming, policy decisions, and mitigation. Several of the suggestions for mitigation are under "Sunlight Screening (http://print.nap.edu/pdf/0309043867/pdf_image/59.pdf)" and include "Low Stratospheric Dust" ("Use aircraft to maintain a cloud of
dust in the low stratosphere to reflect sunlight"), "Low Stratospheric
Soot", and "Cloud Stimulation". Along with these is an "Ocean Biomass
Stimulation" suggestion to "place iron in the oceans to stimulate generation
of CO2-absorbing phytoplankton".
By looking at CNN's January 23, 2001 report (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/CNN_com%20-%20Nature%20-%20Ocean%20fertilization%20yields%20hope,%20uncert ainty%20for%20global%20warming%20-%20January%2023,%202001.htm)
on Moss Landing Marine Laboratories and Greensea Venture Inc. dumping iron into the ocean, one can see that these are not just 'theories' that are taken lightly. Some of these theories are in actual practice, including the sunscreen concept. But the sunscreen theory is absolutely foolish and riddled with contradictions. Particles in the air actually keep heat trapped close to the planet and therefore increase the earth's temperatures. If they really cared about global warming, why are they systematically relaxing clean air regulations and standards? If they are in fact spraying to create a sunscreen, don't be fooled for a second into thinking that it's for our own good. Common sense says that nothing could be further from the truth. These spray operations are a crime and a danger to every living creature.
---
In 1976 the UN Convention on the Prohibition of Military or any Other Hostile
Use of Environmental Modification Techniques - ENMOD Treaty (http://www.chemtrails911.com/EnmodTreaty.htm)
List of PARTICIPANTS (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/TREATY%20I-XXVI--1.htm) in ENMOD
---------------------------
The Chemtrail Smoking Gun (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/The%20Chemtrail%20Smoking%20Gun%20-%20Geoengineering.htm)
(http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/smoking_gun.html)Proof of global atmospheric geoengineering
Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025 (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/OwningTheWeather2025.pdf)
An Air Force research paper in which the goal is for US aerospace forces to
"own the weather" by 2025 for military purposes. They even state that "one major
advantage of using simulated weather to achieve a desired effect is that unlike
other approaches, it makes what are otherwise the results of deliberate actions
appear to be the consequences of natural weather phenomena. In addition, it is potentially relatively inexpensive to do."
Read summary (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/2025sum.html)
Global Warming and Ice Ages (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/scatteringEdTellerwithnotes.pdf)
"Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change" by Edward Teller.
This is a report sponsored by the United States Government in which it is
discussed how it would be cheaper to slow global warming by creating a
suncreen through "stratospheric deployment of oxide particulates" than to
actually slow down greenhouse gases connected with fossil- fired energy
production. I guess money's more important than the public's health or safety.
Now our school children are even being taught about the
aerial 'sunscreen' concept! (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/Centre%20Pointe%20Learning,%20Inc.htm)
In the Level 1 Science book, "Essential Interactions" (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/Centre%20Pointe%20Learning,%20Inc.htm) by Centre Point Learning, Inc. (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/Centre%20Pointe%20Learning,corporate.htm),
a photo of a jet is titled "Particle Air" and is followed with: "Could we deliberately
add patrticles to the atmosphere? Jet engines running on richer fuel would add particles to the atmosphere to create a sunscreen". This is in the section titled "Solutions for Global Warming". The textbook also shows a helicopter dumping
iron into the ocean to stimulate growth of carbon-dioxide eating phytoplankton,
which we know is also already being done (see "Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming" link above). Our children are taught this in our schools yet adults are still
in denial and being told that no such concept or practice exists. Ironically, your child
may know more about chemtrails than you do.
A concerned parents writes about the expierence of finding out what their
child is learning at school. (http://www.chemtrails911.com/science_book.htm)


"...Small particles released during a military exercise." (http://www.chemtrails911.com/military_weather.htm)
The following notice was posted on a Santa Cruz weather website on April 16, 2004.
It doesn't get much more blatant than this. Here we are being directly informed that they are spraying "small particles" over populated areas and yet we are being told this in a manner as if it were just as natural of an occurance as the falling rain itself.
http://www.chemtrails911.com/images/weathersiteclose.jpg (http://www.chemtrails911.com/military_weather.htm)
The Methodic Demise of Natural Earth (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/-%202007/Methodic%20Demise%20-%202007%20edit.pdf)
-Dr. R. Michael Castle, edited 2007
Two Patents filed and issued (http://www.chemtrails911.com/patents.htm)
for "atmospheric spraying with aluminum oxide"
and for "light scattering pigment powder particles" which are
"dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator"
List Of Patents (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/Aerosol%20Programs%20Patently%20Obvious.htm)

[metacomet]

To be honest I wont even debate / argue with people who STILL deny the chemtrail agenda, it's a waste of good energy

I fully agree. I have realized the difference between skeptics and lost-causes ... was a hard lesson to learn. There are far more lost causes and people afraid of the truth in the world than true skeptics.

[john connor]

they are very busy today arnt they john. i'm the same now with debunkers, they either have complete brain freeze or they have picked their side and are sticking to it. good luck fckers your gonna need it. there has been quite a few choppers flying very low past my place lately. already counted 3 this morning and they are not the police copter.

Hi Lupa...yeah they are busy today..wonder what the choppers are about?

[john connor]

I fully agree. I have realized the difference between skeptics and lost-causes ... was a hard lesson to learn. There are far more lost causes and people afraid of the truth in the world than true skeptics.

Hardly suprising they are afraid of the truth, I sit open mouthed at some of the things I have learned about Codex and Monsanto in particular this last week. There are SO many pieces of this TRUTH puzzle - that without the box cover to work from, I find it difficult sometimes to know what area to focus on next..I seem to tend to go with what grabs my interest and attention..This chemtrail issue really pi55es me off as its so blatent..Monsanto are way up their too, I just dont have the hours to learn more about Ancient history and other issues that interest me.

[lupa]

Hardly suprising they are afraid of the truth, I sit open mouthed at some of the things I have learned about Codex and Monsanto in particular this last week. There are SO many pieces of this TRUTH puzzle - that without the box cover to work from, I find it difficult sometimes to know what area to focus on next..I seem to tend to go with what grabs my interest and attention..This chemtrail issue really pi55es me off as its so blatent..Monsanto are way up their too, I just dont have the hours to learn more about Ancient history and other issues that interest me.

have no idea what the choppers are doing but theres been loads of them lately going past. as with codex i'm hording like a loon as many suplements as i can get my hands on now. the trails are killing the bees i have no doubt on that. foods will be replaced by GM crops i have no doubt on that either and the eradication of our supply of vits,minerals etc to fight off illness is deffinatly part of their goal.

[john connor]

have no idea what the choppers are doing but theres been loads of them lately going past. as with codex i'm hording like a loon as many suplements as i can get my hands on now. the trails are killing the bees i have no doubt on that. foods will be replaced by GM crops i have no doubt on that either and the eradication of our supply of vits,minerals etc to fight off illness is deffinatly part of their goal.


Yeah noticed the lack of bees the last year or so and like you am going to stockpile any Vits I use...I would like to inject those Monsanto's with some of the crap they inject in the animals

[marpat]

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.:rolleyes:

I suppose thousands of people are wrong and a couple of people on this forum are correct :rolleyes:

FFS.


Truth in the minority of one is still the truth. I guess this means that you take the word of the majority as truth.

How is it impossible to come by this stuff when you post information that says we are breathing it in?????????????????????????????????????? that is absurd.

How many times are counter theories offered but the believers refuse to even consider them?

[marpat]

Hmmm yes. Never get's old does it ;)

The cute thing is they think they are slowing our progress by asking endless stupid questions and demanding proof.

Oh how terrible that people want you to prove what you claim. I guess in the ideal world proof would not be a requirement, just having a certain amount of believer would suffice.

[marpat]

they are very busy today arnt they john. i'm the same now with debunkers, they either have complete brain freeze or they have picked their side and are sticking to it. good luck fckers your gonna need it. there has been quite a few choppers flying very low past my place lately. already counted 3 this morning and they are not the police copter.

Watch out they might be going to abduct you and put a chip in your head.

It is not only the police who use helicopters you know :rolleyes:

[lightgiver]

I know some one who as got a chip in their head being programmed by TPTB


Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

Marpat quote
Truth in the minority of one is still the truth.

Well its a pity TPTB do not follow this ideology.

Marpat quote,
How is it impossible to come by this stuff when you post information that says we are breathing it in?????????????????????????????????????? that is absurd.

HHMM same maybe goes for all that traffic pollution,yes how absurd with such a silly comment.

When does this person ever come up for breath???????????????????????????????????????????? ????????

Minute particles scattered cannot be seen by the naked eye,my goodness does the BS ever stop,no one can be so deluded.


POLLUTION IN EUROPE
The Invisible Danger

Fine particulate materials are microscopically small, omnipresent and dangerous. And the danger just got worse for the German government and auto industry. Decision makers underestimated and even ignored the risks. But now, lawsuits are pending as citizens exercise their new right to sue cities over bad air.


You need help matey. http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,349918,00.html

and the same goes for Chemtrails.when does this guys BS ever stop.??

Health Effects of Ozone and Particle Pollution http://lungaction.org/reports/sota06_heffects.html

STOP trying to deceive people because if people have any common sense they will know .

another reminder for new comers,

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

[john connor]

Truth in the minority of one is still the truth. I guess this means that you take the word of the majority as truth.

How is it impossible to come by this stuff when you post information that says we are breathing it in?????????????????????????????????????? that is absurd.
How many times are counter theories offered but the believers refuse to even consider them?

Well your obviously ONE of the lucky ones who hasnt had some kind of persistant cough, SOB breathing problems lately. Just why do you spend so much time on threads you dont believe in? actually I'm not interested I have no time for arguing are they real , better things to do in the time we have left.

[lupa]

Watch out they might be going to abduct you and put a chip in your head.

It is not only the police who use helicopters you know :rolleyes:

one tends to believe that maybe it is you that has the chip deeply implanted :D

two words spring to the fore

freeze & brain.

strap yourself in and pin back your lug holes..AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!

chemtrails aerosol crimes carnicom - YouTube

[marpat]

Well your obviously ONE of the lucky ones who hasnt had some kind of persistant cough, SOB breathing problems lately. Just why do you spend so much time on threads you dont believe in? actually I'm not interested I have no time for arguing are they real , better things to do in the time we have left.


Perhaps I am not a hypochondriac. I actually know very few people who are poorly at the moment so what does that say???????

Is it wrong to debate? are people only allowed into threads where they will not ask questions? I live in the same world as you so why should I not have an opinion on what you are saying?

[marpat]

I know some one who as got a chip in their head being programmed by TPTB

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

So are you talking about the conspiracy theorists here as what you say does seem to apply to their way of thinking.

[lightgiver]

Oh dear marpat I produced this link for you before yet you did not reply again to that thread. I wonder why?

So here it is again.

http://www.chemtrails911.com/intro_to_chem.htm


SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
There is information that has not been placed on this page yet and is still on the home page (http://www.chemtrails911.com/index.htm)

As head of the Armed Services oversight committee, CongressmanDennis Kucinich is acquainted with chemtrail projects. He introduced the Space Preservation Act 2001 (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/spacepreservationact2001.html) to prohibit certain "space-based weapons" of the United States, including chemtrails. In Sec.7(2)(B)(ii) of the bill, it states "The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following…" and "Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as…chemtrails".

Unfortunately, the bill was rejected as is and was extremely watered down into
the Space Preservation Act 2002 (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/spacepreservationact2002.html) in which the term "chemtrails" was
completely removed from the text, along with other important language,
so as to allow the chemical spraying to continue.

Read more on this... 1 (http://www.tetrahedron.org/news/NR020114.html), 2 (http://www.columbusalive.com/2002/20020328/032802/03280205.html), 3 (http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/06/2698.php)

Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming:
Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Base (http://www.nap.edu/books/0309043867/html/)
This is a massive research study from 1992 and sponsored by the
National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, and
Institute of Medicine. This study was approved and funded by congess and
is the textbook on greenhouse gasses, global warming, policy decisions, and mitigation. Several of the suggestions for mitigation are under "Sunlight Screening (http://print.nap.edu/pdf/0309043867/pdf_image/59.pdf)" and include "Low Stratospheric Dust" ("Use aircraft to maintain a cloud of
dust in the low stratosphere to reflect sunlight"), "Low Stratospheric
Soot", and "Cloud Stimulation". Along with these is an "Ocean Biomass
Stimulation" suggestion to "place iron in the oceans to stimulate generation
of CO2-absorbing phytoplankton".
By looking at CNN's January 23, 2001 report (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/CNN_com%20-%20Nature%20-%20Ocean%20fertilization%20yields%20hope,%20uncert ainty%20for%20global%20warming%20-%20January%2023,%202001.htm)
on Moss Landing Marine Laboratories and Greensea Venture Inc. dumping iron into the ocean, one can see that these are not just 'theories' that are taken lightly. Some of these theories are in actual practice, including the sunscreen concept. But the sunscreen theory is absolutely foolish and riddled with contradictions. Particles in the air actually keep heat trapped close to the planet and therefore increase the earth's temperatures. If they really cared about global warming, why are they systematically relaxing clean air regulations and standards? If they are in fact spraying to create a sunscreen, don't be fooled for a second into thinking that it's for our own good. Common sense says that nothing could be further from the truth. These spray operations are a crime and a danger to every living creature.
---
In 1976 the UN Convention on the Prohibition of Military or any Other Hostile
Use of Environmental Modification Techniques - ENMOD Treaty (http://www.chemtrails911.com/EnmodTreaty.htm)
List of PARTICIPANTS (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/TREATY%20I-XXVI--1.htm) in ENMOD
---------------------------
The Chemtrail Smoking Gun (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/The%20Chemtrail%20Smoking%20Gun%20-%20Geoengineering.htm)
(http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/smoking_gun.html)Proof of global atmospheric geoengineering
Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025 (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/OwningTheWeather2025.pdf)
An Air Force research paper in which the goal is for US aerospace forces to
"own the weather" by 2025 for military purposes. They even state that "one major
advantage of using simulated weather to achieve a desired effect is that unlike
other approaches, it makes what are otherwise the results of deliberate actions
appear to be the consequences of natural weather phenomena. In addition, it is potentially relatively inexpensive to do."
Read summary (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/2025sum.html)
Global Warming and Ice Ages (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/scatteringEdTellerwithnotes.pdf)
"Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change" by Edward Teller.
This is a report sponsored by the United States Government in which it is
discussed how it would be cheaper to slow global warming by creating a
suncreen through "stratospheric deployment of oxide particulates" than to
actually slow down greenhouse gases connected with fossil- fired energy
production. I guess money's more important than the public's health or safety.
Now our school children are even being taught about the
aerial 'sunscreen' concept! (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/Centre%20Pointe%20Learning,%20Inc.htm)
In the Level 1 Science book, "Essential Interactions" (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/Centre%20Pointe%20Learning,%20Inc.htm) by Centre Point Learning, Inc. (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/Centre%20Pointe%20Learning,corporate.htm),
a photo of a jet is titled "Particle Air" and is followed with: "Could we deliberately
add patrticles to the atmosphere? Jet engines running on richer fuel would add particles to the atmosphere to create a sunscreen". This is in the section titled "Solutions for Global Warming". The textbook also shows a helicopter dumping
iron into the ocean to stimulate growth of carbon-dioxide eating phytoplankton,
which we know is also already being done (see "Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming" link above). Our children are taught this in our schools yet adults are still
in denial and being told that no such concept or practice exists. Ironically, your child
may know more about chemtrails than you do.
A concerned parents writes about the expierence of finding out what their
child is learning at school. (http://www.chemtrails911.com/science_book.htm)


"...Small particles released during a military exercise." (http://www.chemtrails911.com/military_weather.htm)
The following notice was posted on a Santa Cruz weather website on April 16, 2004.
It doesn't get much more blatant than this. Here we are being directly informed that they are spraying "small particles" over populated areas and yet we are being told this in a manner as if it were just as natural of an occurance as the falling rain itself.
http://www.chemtrails911.com/images/weathersiteclose.jpg (http://www.chemtrails911.com/military_weather.htm)
The Methodic Demise of Natural Earth (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/-%202007/Methodic%20Demise%20-%202007%20edit.pdf)
-Dr. R. Michael Castle, edited 2007
Two Patents filed and issued (http://www.chemtrails911.com/patents.htm)
for "atmospheric spraying with aluminum oxide"
and for "light scattering pigment powder particles" which are
"dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator"
List Of Patents (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/Aerosol%20Programs%20Patently%20Obvious.htm)


Good post boots,one wonders why this person is allowed to disrupt this forum and allowed to get away with it,because the said person never brings any proof only disruption and is allowed to ruin this forum.??:mad::mad:

[marpat]

Good post boots,one wonders why this person is allowed to disrupt this forum and allowed to get away with it,because the said person never brings any proof only disruption and is allowed to ruin this forum.??:mad::mad:

You angry again? must be the barium getting into your system.

[marpat]

Boots, with regard to that huge piece of cut and paste, what do you expect from me?

Lets discuss that website. It says HAARP is used for weather manipulation but can you explain how this is done? I know it is used to heat the ionosphere but that is a pretty limited effect. Why dont you show me in technical terms how HAARp is used as a weather weapon to create earthquakes, etc.

Weather manipulation. It is only a matter of time before people try and control the weather for many obvious reasons. So what if some of those articles indicate the creation of clouds, etc. This does not mean that this is what is going on in the skies, these so called chemtrails.

Taken from that webiste:

(a) Prohibited activities

The Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by contract)--
(1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent
or biological agent on a civilian population; or
(2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent on
human subjects.

(b) Exceptions

Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e) of this section, the
prohibition in subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a test
or experiment carried out for any of the following purposes:
(1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical,
therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research
activity.
(2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against
toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents.
(3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related
to riot control.

(c) Informed consent required

The Secretary of Defense may conduct a test or experiment described
in subsection (b) of this section only if informed consent to the
testing was obtained from each human subject in advance of the testing
on that subject.

(e) ``Biological agent'' defined

In this section, the term ``biological agent'' means any micro-
organism (including bacteria, viruses, fungi, rickettsiac, or protozoa),
pathogen, or infectious substance, and any naturally occurring,
bioengineered, or synthesized component of any such micro-organism,
pathogen, or infectious substance, whatever its origin or method of
production, that is capable of causing--
(1) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a human,
an animal, a plant, or another living organism;
(2) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or
materials of any kind; or
(3) deleterious alteration of the environment.


If they wanted to just chemtrail people and cover it up why would they bother creating any rules and regulations?


Asthma may be on the increase but this could be due to vehicle air pollution or even some types of stress.

[lupa]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

every earthquake around the world in one month occured at 6.21 miles underground ..a little suspicious?

[marpat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz_YUNtbNBY

every earthquake around the world in one month occured at 6.21 miles underground ..a little suspicious?

Suspicious? how? are you an expert in such subjects to know if it is odd or not? maybe that is the thickness of the crust and it moved.

If you think HAARP done it then lets see some real explanations of how a radio transmitter can do this. I work with such things so you cant dupe me.

[lightgiver]

The Rabbit Hole

Chemtrail government run and paid deniers ,

[By Bob Fitrakis, Centre for Research on Globalisation | Wednesday, 6 March, 2002.]
The debate surrounding the federal government's alleged weather modification experiments has landed in the U.S. Capitol, thanks to Cleveland Democrat Dennis Kucinich. Representative Kucinich introduced the Space Preservation Act of 2001 on October 2 last year, seeking a "permanent ban on [the] basing of weapons in space." The bill, H.R. 2977, specifically outlaws a variety of weapons detailed in the December 6, 2001, Columbus Alive article "Stormy Weather," which exposed allegations of secret government aerial spraying activities. Kucinich's bill explicitly outlaws "chemtrails."

Alive asked Kucinich why he would introduce a bill banning so-called chemtrails when the U.S. government routinely denies such things exist and the U.S. Air Force has routinely called chemtrail sightings "a hoax." "The truth is there's an entire program in the Department of Defense, 'Vision for 2020,' that's developing these weapons," Kucinich responded. Kucinich says he plans to reintroduce a broader version of the bill later this month. "Plasma, electromagnetics, sonic or ultrasonic weapons [and] laser weapons systems" were among those banned by H.R. 2977.

Two scientists working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base informed Alive of the ongoing secret experiments, one involving weather modification and the other involving the creation of an aerial antenna using a barium stearate chemical trail. The scientists referred to the work of legendary inventor Nikola Tesla. Before Ronald Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative (or "Star Wars"), there was Tesla's vision of high-tech space-based warfare and weather modification. According to Tesla biographer Margaret Cheney, federal agents seized Tesla's papers after his death in 1943. "[At] least one set of Tesla's papers had reached Wright Field [now Wright Patterson Air Force Base]," Cheney wrote. The Aeronautic Systems Division at Wright Patterson admitted it had the Tesla papers but claim they were "destroyed."

[lizzy]

Ten Years Into The
Chemtrail-Wars
The Breakdown Of The Immune System

http://rense.com/general84/tenyrs.htm

[lizzy]

I work with such things so you cant dupe me.

I know your not that stupid ..TESLA ??? 100yrs ago???......and look what the Scherff- Bushes did to him.....

According to Otto Skorzeny, pictured is the Scherff family and a few friends (circa 1938). Holding “Mother" Scherff’s hand at left is Martin Bormann. In front is Reinhardt Gehlen. In back is Joseph Mengele and to his right is Skorzeny as a young man. At center right (in the German navy uniform) is George H. Scherff, Jr. and his father George H. Scherff, Sr. Bormann became Hitler’s second in command. Reinhardt Gehlen was a chief SS officer and assassin who was smuggled out of Germany under Operation Paperclip. Skorzeny was Hitler's bodyguard and SS spy/assassin who came to the U.S. after the war under Project Paperclip. Skorzeny and GHW Bush were instrumental in merging Nazi (SS) intelligence with the OSI to form the CIA with "Wild Bill" Donovan and Allen Dulles. These guys were also part of CIA mind control experiments such as MK-ULTRA. SS officer and physician Joseph Mengele, the notoriously sadistic “Angel of Death” of Auschwitz, escaped Germany to South America after the war. George H. Scherff, Jr., became the 41st President of the United States as GHW Bush and George H. Scherff, Sr., was Nicola Tesla’s “trusted assistant.”
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

[lightgiver]

I know your not that stupid ..TESLA ??? 100yrs ago???......and look what the Scherff- Bushes did to him.....

According to Otto Skorzeny, pictured is the Scherff family and a few friends (circa 1938). Holding “Mother" Scherff’s hand at left is Martin Bormann. In front is Reinhardt Gehlen. In back is Joseph Mengele and to his right is Skorzeny as a young man. At center right (in the German navy uniform) is George H. Scherff, Jr. and his father George H. Scherff, Sr. Bormann became Hitler’s second in command. Reinhardt Gehlen was a chief SS officer and assassin who was smuggled out of Germany under Operation Paperclip. Skorzeny was Hitler's bodyguard and SS spy/assassin who came to the U.S. after the war under Project Paperclip. Skorzeny and GHW Bush were instrumental in merging Nazi (SS) intelligence with the OSI to form the CIA with "Wild Bill" Donovan and Allen Dulles. These guys were also part of CIA mind control experiments such as MK-ULTRA. SS officer and physician Joseph Mengele, the notoriously sadistic “Angel of Death” of Auschwitz, escaped Germany to South America after the war. George H. Scherff, Jr., became the 41st President of the United States as GHW Bush and George H. Scherff, Sr., was Nicola Tesla’s “trusted assistant.”
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

Originally Posted by marpat View Post
I work with such things so you cant dupe me.Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,441 so many posts and works for the military but not at weekends :confused:

when i worked for the military it was 24>7,like all real military personnel.

so called works with such things like in the military,but spends all their time on here :confused::confused:

i for one will not fall for that one,proof usually helps.

Like i proved when i put the posts on anyone been to war,and that was to much info for my liking,after all there are lots of crazies on this forum :eek: and i do not fancy being taken out just yet ;) :D

Peace lizzy.:)

[marpat]

I know your not that stupid ..TESLA ??? 100yrs ago???......and look what the Scherff- Bushes did to him.....

According to Otto Skorzeny, pictured is the Scherff family and a few friends (circa 1938). Holding “Mother" Scherff’s hand at left is Martin Bormann. In front is Reinhardt Gehlen. In back is Joseph Mengele and to his right is Skorzeny as a young man. At center right (in the German navy uniform) is George H. Scherff, Jr. and his father George H. Scherff, Sr. Bormann became Hitler’s second in command. Reinhardt Gehlen was a chief SS officer and assassin who was smuggled out of Germany under Operation Paperclip. Skorzeny was Hitler's bodyguard and SS spy/assassin who came to the U.S. after the war under Project Paperclip. Skorzeny and GHW Bush were instrumental in merging Nazi (SS) intelligence with the OSI to form the CIA with "Wild Bill" Donovan and Allen Dulles. These guys were also part of CIA mind control experiments such as MK-ULTRA. SS officer and physician Joseph Mengele, the notoriously sadistic “Angel of Death” of Auschwitz, escaped Germany to South America after the war. George H. Scherff, Jr., became the 41st President of the United States as GHW Bush and George H. Scherff, Sr., was Nicola Tesla’s “trusted assistant.”
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

Many people quote tesla but do they know what they are talking about?

I would say that most people in here have been told what to think about tesla rather than studying his work themselves. Unless people can state hard facts about how such stuff is upposed to work then I will have to think they are just speculating.

Otto Skorzeny eh. Interesting person. Part of the team who rescued Mussolini from the Gran Sasso.

[marpat]

Originally Posted by marpat View Post
I work with such things so you cant dupe me.Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,441 so many posts and works for the military but not at weekends :confused:

when i worked for the military it was 24>7,like all real military personnel.

so called works with such things like in the military,but spends all their time on here :confused::confused:

i for one will not fall for that one,proof usually helps.

Like i proved when i put the posts on anyone been to war,and that was to much info for my liking,after all there are lots of crazies on this forum :eek: and i do not fancy being taken out just yet ;) :D

Peace lizzy.:)


You were more your cannon fodder type whereas I am not.

Soon I will be spending almost no time beating your arguements as I a due to go abroad this year. Such hardships.

The only thing you proved in that thread is that you pretended to by a mental health nurse whereas in fact you spent time as a patient.

[john connor]

Suspicious? how? are you an expert in such subjects to know if it is odd or not? maybe that is the thickness of the crust and it moved.

If you think HAARP done it then lets see some real explanations of how a radio transmitter can do this. I work with such things so you cant dupe me.

Yes you do, Millitary are you not? as for being an hypochondriac, I work in Social Services, I see the bloody mountain of new referrals first hand, you would hardly be ill would you, Im sure you have had the appropriate shots, by the way how does it feel knowing your fellow sqaudies are glorified mercanaries? I mean whats your take on Afghanistan? record opium crops under NATO, hows that possible? 70,000 US and Nato and the 'stupid' farmers can not only grow record crops but manage to get it to the West as well, brilliant.."SOCA 92% of the white herion comes from Afghan". I have a stepson who is US marines special forces - anti terrorist fleet no less..BUT his loyalty his first and formost to his family, he enlisted for educational reasons and gets out in a year, NOT to be a puppet of the Elite. The PTB well they really do think they are somthing special, they at least have that excuse, the scum who knowingly serve them are equally if not more damned in my book, I will sooner die on my feet than serve on my knees. End of.

[marpat]

Yes you do, Millitary are you not? as for being an hypochondriac, I work in Social Services, I see the bloody mountain of new referrals first hand, you would hardly be ill would you, Im sure you have had the appropriate shots, by the way how does it feel knowing your fellow sqaudies are glorified mercanaries? I mean whats your take on Afghanistan? record opium crops under NATO, hows that possible? 70,000 US and Nato and the 'stupid' farmers can not only grow record crops but manage to get it to the West as well, brilliant.."SOCA 92% of the white herion comes from Afghan". I have a stepson who is US marines special forces - anti terrorist fleet no less..BUT his loyalty his first and formost to his family, he enlisted for educational reasons and gets out in a year, NOT to be a puppet of the Elite. The PTB well they really do think they are somthing special, they at least have that excuse, the scum who knowingly serve them are equally if not more damned in my book, I will sooner die on my feet than serve on my knees. End of.


I am military, so what? my wife is a nurse and has never made any such claim. How would somebody in social services be seeing casualties from spraying? if people are ill they go to hospital or see a doctor not a social worker. You claims sounds a bit false. I find it a bit odd that a person with such a strange mind set would actively work for a government agency, then make claim about seeing the victims of chemtrails.

What are the appropriate shots? I rejected the anthrax jab because I was given the choice. My family do not get any 'special' jabs and they are not always ill.

Your stepson will have been highly indoctrinated into 'their' way of thinking. the US training methods are based on breaking a person then remoulding them. This is even more so for elite units. I am a little bit dubious about this stepson claim. Can you name these USMC special forces? I have a good idea what they are. What is an anti-terrorist fleet? sounds like bullshit.

Glorified mercinaries? try reading a dictionary and you may find they dont come under this category. Again, your stepson must also stand accused.

[lightgiver]

You were more your cannon fodder type whereas I am not.

Soon I will be spending almost no time beating your arguements as I a due to go abroad this year. Such hardships.

The only thing you proved in that thread is that you pretended to by a mental health nurse whereas in fact you spent time as a patient.

You have NO Proof whatsoever that you have ever worked in the military and i have given proof that i have,and when you are backed into a corner you resort to personnel cheap comments and all you do is put most people on this forum down especially new comers a great tactic to stop people coming on this forum.
and how you get away with it is beyond belief i suppose i will have to go back to my posts to keep up with the insults.

some one must behaving a laugh at my expense :(

and your avatar is also degrading mr icke,it is absolutely disgusting you need locking up and the key throwing away.

[marpat]

You have NO Proof whatsoever that you have ever worked in the military and i have given proof that i do,and when you are backed into a corner you resort to personnel cheap comments and all you do is put most people on this forum down especially new comers a great tactic to stop people coming on this forum.
and how you get away with it is beyond belief i suppose i will have to go back to my posts to keep up with the insults.

some one must behaving a laugh at my expense :(

and your avatar is also degrading to mr icke,it is absolutely disgusting you need locking up and the key throwing away.

My job is a matter of fact and is not dependent upon belief. I could give you plenty of details but if you are ex-military then you ought to know that such revelations carry risks.

Being locked up for my avatar. Heil Hitler, Is your red armband getting tight? there are people in here who think he is the messiah so I dont think everybody will be upset. Next you will be crying to the mods.

[lightgiver]

My job is a matter of fact and is not dependent upon belief. I could give you plenty of details but if you are ex-military then you ought to know that such revelations carry risks.

Being locked up for my avatar. Heil Hitler, Is your red armband getting tight? there are people in here who think he is the messiah so I dont think everybody will be upset. Next you will be crying to the mods.

Proof? post your picture. You just cannot stop insulting.

[marpat]

Proof? post your picture. You just cannot stop insulting.

Are you joking? how would that prove anything. I could find a pic on the internet and pass that off as myself and you would never know. Maybe I should scan my ID card an post it on the tinterweb so you can check of its authentic :rolleyes:

This is exactly why you are incapable of proving anything. The material you use is taken straight from the internet and there is no attempt to actually do anything about it so that all people are left with is believing something they have seen on the internet. The fact that you think a photo of somebody you dont know is in some way proof of their identity just shows how easy it is to deceive you.

There are a class of solar demons that you would fit well with, the accusers/ the litigation.

[john connor]

I am military, so what? my wife is a nurse and has never made any such claim. How would somebody in social services be seeing casualties from spraying? if people are ill they go to hospital or see a doctor not a social worker. You claims sounds a bit false. I find it a bit odd that a person with such a strange mind set would actively work for a government agency, then make claim about seeing the victims of chemtrails.

What are the appropriate shots? I rejected the anthrax jab because I was given the choice. My family do not get any 'special' jabs and they are not always ill.

Your stepson will have been highly indoctrinated into 'their' way of thinking. the US training methods are based on breaking a person then remoulding them. This is even more so for elite units. I am a little bit dubious about this stepson claim. Can you name these USMC special forces? I have a good idea what they are. What is an anti-terrorist fleet? sounds like bullshit.

Glorified mercinaries? try reading a dictionary and you may find they dont come under this category. Again, your stepson must also stand accused.


I'm not naming anything about my stepson on this forum or any other public domain. you make a lot of assumptions -as for mind set just what is that? do you think I'm a wishy washy CND liberal, sterotype Social services? I do what I do as I work with people who are good people a job that tries to help people in need,wasnt a career choice tho. what does your job do? provide security for the likes of Blair and Brown? your not protecting us are you...from who?? dont see any fighters jets scrambled to shoot the bastards spraying us down, dont see any anti A/C batteries shooting at them, so who are you serving? didnt answer the Opium Q did you, do you deny all the other wars have been false too? brilliant I G Farben make the chems for the Nazis, now we have Codex and chems, you have a family? and just what the hell world do you want them to grow up in? for what it's worth I dont have a political alleigence to anyone, not do I believe in God, I treat people decently regardless of their own beliefs in religion, I would love to know what it is you believe in. As for my stepson, I've told my wife he may as well have Exxon on his sleeve and he may well be too far gone now, so that would make him another casualty of your paymasters.

[lightgiver]

Are you joking? how would that prove anything. I could find a pic on the internet and pass that off as myself and you would never know. Maybe I should scan my ID card an post it on the tinterweb so you can check of its authentic :rolleyes:

This is exactly why you are incapable of proving anything. The material you use is taken straight from the internet and there is no attempt to actually do anything about it so that all people are left with is believing something they have seen on the internet. The fact that you think a photo of somebody you dont know is in some way proof of their identity just shows how easy it is to deceive you.

There are a class of solar demons that you would fit well with, the accusers/ the litigation.

Just excuses marpat,alright which regiment? what service?,what role?,we have been waiting for 10 months some obviously believe you on here but you do not give one shred of evidence to back up your claims,what about all the military personnel what we see day in day out.

You must have the brains to blank the face out ,like i did when i proved i have served,i just tilted the camera from my face.
You give no evidence whatsoever to your claims and all you do is continually insult people on this forum and deny anything is wrong with the world and the corruption and lies that are pervading all our lives.

So put your proof where your mouth is and then people may have more credibility in what you type.

"By the power of truth.

[john connor]

One last thing Marpat, just what the hell are the Orb type things that I have taken pics of on 3 different occassions and have been witnessed by numerous people at the same time - all around your 'normal' contrail activity - thats normal isnt it? oh and I'm not an Icke follower either, I came here to listen to peoples experiences, ideas, to maybe look at things from another point of view, not to stir up trouble, basically insult and call people liars, there is nothing wrong with my eyesight, I dont blindly obey or follow anyone and I can live and die with the things I have done - can you say the same?

[metacomet]

Proof? post your picture. You just cannot stop insulting.

Marpat is full of shit :)

Don't worry, you're not the only one who notices.

Don't let him get to you. He isn't on this forum to help progression in any way.

Just another tool. An obstruction to be ignored.

[lightgiver]

Marpat is full of shit :)

Don't worry, you're not the only one who notices.

Don't let him get to you. He isn't on this forum to help progression in any way.

Just another tool. An obstruction to be ignored.

Hi metacomet,

he does not get to me,people like him are ten a penny.

what gets to me,how the hell he gets away with insulting so many people on this forum:(

[metacomet]

Hi metacomet,

he does not get to me,people like him are ten a penny.

what gets to me,how the hell he gets away with insulting so many people on this forum:(

His insults are vague and disguised most often... like most truth-fighters he knows how to provoke and talk shit just on the verge of confrontation.

He waltzes into every thread asking stupid questions and trying to trip people up...

when confronted with this he throws his hands up "What? What, I can't ask questions? I can't demand proof?"

:rolleyes: Such an obvious shit-stirrer. Easy to identify and ignore, like the kid in class who would say things just to get a rise out of people.

You're right... they are a dime a dozen.

[lightgiver]

His insults are vague and disguised most often... like most truth-fighters he knows how to provoke and talk shit just on the verge of confrontation.

He waltzes into every thread asking stupid questions and trying to trip people up...

when confronted with this he throws his hands up "What? What, I can't ask questions? I can't demand proof?"

:rolleyes: Such an obvious shit-stirrer. Easy to identify and ignore, like the kid in class who would say things just to get a rise out of people.

You're right... they are a dime a dozen.

Yes,

i do not mind a couple of insults,but continual ones like i have had since i came on this forum is beyond a joke,

There are limits,Hard to ignore when your posts get continually hijacked by the same people day in day out,in work places they have a term for it,serious harassment and can lead to getting the sack, for half of what i have been on the receiving end of.

and a bit of proof would be nice.:)

[marpat]

Just excuses marpat,alright which regiment? what service?,what role?,we have been waiting for 10 months some obviously believe you on here but you do not give one shred of evidence to back up your claims,what about all the military personnel what we see day in day out.

You must have the brains to blank the face out ,like i did when i proved i have served,i just tilted the camera from my face.
You give no evidence whatsoever to your claims and all you do is continually insult people on this forum and deny anything is wrong with the world and the corruption and lies that are pervading all our lives.

So put your proof where your mouth is and then people may have more credibility in what you type.

"By the power of truth.

Why bother even telling you? not only is it a security risk but I could just make it up and you would never know.

Like I said I could easily get a pic and blank the face out as well but that does not mean it has to be me. A civvy could do that and how would you know? you wouldnt. This must be why you were cannon fodder and I am not.

I dont think you really understand what undeniable proof is. You wont find it on the internet.

[marpat]

Hi metacomet,

he does not get to me,people like him are ten a penny.

what gets to me,how the hell he gets away with insulting so many people on this forum:(

Must be why you keep resorting to swearing at me in other threads. Oh and dindt you actually try threatening me earlier this evening. :D Obviously I didnt get to you.

[metacomet]

Hmm yes. I see his handiwork in other threads.

He is like a doorstop... eager the thrust himself under the foot of any conversation and stop people from fully opening a door.

I believe I discussed this with seercirra in chat... some people aren't aware that they are working for the side of ignorance and darkness etc.... it's simply in their nature to obstruct others in the search for truth or knowledge.

after all, marpat is too intelligent for all this conspiracy stuff. he already has it all figured out, and is only here to poke fun at us. what a great guy :p

[john connor]

And I feel annoyed at myself for wasting energy and time replying especially after telling others not to - for what its worth Lightgiver and Metacomet I have read some of your posts with a lot of interest

[lightgiver]

Must be why you keep resorting to swearing at me in other threads. Oh and dindt you actually try threatening me earlier this evening. :D Obviously I didnt get to you.

Oh no do not try and pull that one i have been attacked by about 5 onto one,and no getting out of it,where is the proof that you are in the military.

i have swore a couple of times and it was not directed at anyone,do not come over as the victim it will not work

we want proof that you are in the military.

you are not saying chemtrails do not exist when we all see them everyday in our faces,

Psychopaths run this world, and we want them out of the closet,and we want some proof that you are in the military,put your money where you mouth is.

[metacomet]

Must be why you keep resorting to swearing at me in other threads. Oh and dindt you actually try threatening me earlier this evening. :D Obviously I didnt get to you.

Such obvious provocation.

Sad really. Especially considering that you are an adult and not a 14 year old...

I suppose not everyone progresses past their juvenile nature. Hence your un-ending assault on every topic outside your dogma and perception of reality.

As we said... you are a dime a dozen.

[metacomet]

we want proof that you are in the military.

I'm sorry but I already have proof that he's in the military.

Look at him.

Look at how he fights anyone trying to get outside the box.

Look how he uses his intellect to bully and domineer others...

It's obvious that marpat is a product of the system. Military or otherwise.

;)

[marpat]

I'm not naming anything about my stepson on this forum or any other public domain. you make a lot of assumptions -as for mind set just what is that? do you think I'm a wishy washy CND liberal, sterotype Social services? I do what I do as I work with people who are good people a job that tries to help people in need,wasnt a career choice tho. what does your job do? provide security for the likes of Blair and Brown? your not protecting us are you...from who?? dont see any fighters jets scrambled to shoot the bastards spraying us down, dont see any anti A/C batteries shooting at them, so who are you serving? didnt answer the Opium Q did you, do you deny all the other wars have been false too? brilliant I G Farben make the chems for the Nazis, now we have Codex and chems, you have a family? and just what the hell world do you want them to grow up in? for what it's worth I dont have a political alleigence to anyone, not do I believe in God, I treat people decently regardless of their own beliefs in religion, I would love to know what it is you believe in. As for my stepson, I've told my wife he may as well have Exxon on his sleeve and he may well be too far gone now, so that would make him another casualty of your paymasters.


My paymaster? I am British not some far out yank.

I think you have me all wrong. Although I have a military job that does not mean I am pro government. If I thought a lot of these theries were true then I would be doing my bit to raise awareness of the issue but until people can convince me then I will ask questions and expect some form of real proof. I dont count youtube vids as evidence.

I am religious in a way although I do not offer loyalty to any faith in particular. I think all religions are limited expressions of consciousness, each containing only a porting of truth but not the full truth.

[marpat]

Such obvious provocation.

Sad really. Especially considering that you are an adult and not a 14 year old...

I suppose not everyone progresses past their juvenile nature. Hence your un-ending assault on every topic outside your dogma and perception of reality.

As we said... you are a dime a dozen.


I forgot, you actually threatened me recently as well. Couldnt handle a bit of adult debate and lost your rag.

[marpat]

I'm sorry but I already have proof that he's in the military.

Look at him.

Look at how he fights anyone trying to get outside the box.

Look how he uses his intellect to bully and domineer others...

It's obvious that marpat is a product of the system. Military or otherwise.

;)


Fights anybody trying to get outsie of the box? as a person who has studied religions and magic for many years that is exactly what I want people to do.

The system is a convenient tool for me at the moment.:cool:

[lightgiver]

I'm sorry but I already have proof that he's in the military.

Look at him.

Look at how he fights anyone trying to get outside the box.

Look how he uses his intellect to bully and domineer others...

It's obvious that marpat is a product of the system. Military or otherwise.

;)

That does not mean he is in the military he may be in the O.T.O.

Proof is in the pudding.

They need to back up the claims they vehemently defend.

[marpat]

That does not mean he is in the military he may be in the O.T.O.

I am in both but your post is really odd. What has the OTO got to do with anything?

[marpat]

That does not mean he is in the military he may be in the O.T.O.

Proof is in the pudding.

They need to back up the claims they vehemently defend.

????

Who is defending what claim

[lupa]

marpat... your fishing lol as i call it. you keep casting your line and waiting for the next person to bite, he is deliberatly holding us here taunting. while everyone keeps biting at his bait trying to get him to see the truth(he knows the bloody truth.. evil one) he's a distraction, while we fart about with him we are not getting the info outside to the main stream.

marpat does not exist. his words fall silent. ignore the fucktard and he will bugger off eventually. like all fishermen.. if the pool holds no fish ..they move on to another pool or they give up fishing.

marpat ..this is funny.. but i see you in my minds eye as this little garden gnome sat on a toadstool with a big grin casting your line lol waiting for the next dip of the float

[lightgiver]

????

Who is defending what claim

No chemtrails and your military experience.

[metacomet]

I forgot, you actually threatened me recently as well. Couldnt handle a bit of adult debate and lost your rag.

You're kidding right?

I am constantly pointing your bullshit out to others... I'll admit that.

Never once did I call you out or threaten you.

:rolleyes:

Please dude, put down the stick, stop trying to poke people into submission.

You are like a shrill, screaching alley cat outside our window while we try to have an adult conversation. Nobody is listening to you, nobody is taking you seriously... yet you croon on and on in an effort to stifle discussion.

Shoo cat. Shoo.

[lightgiver]

I am in both but your post is really odd. What has the OTO got to do with anything?

It would be odd :rolleyes:

Prove you are in the military and that chem trails are a figment of everyone's imagination,and on the O.T.O Your worshipful master who you are fond of.,

O.T .O

Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) (Order of the Temple of the East, or the Order of Oriental Templars) is an international fraternal and religious organization founded at the beginning of the 20th century. Originally it was intended to be modelled after and associated with Freemasonry, but under the leadership of Aleister Crowley was reorganized based on the Law of Thelema as its central religious principle.

Vi veri universum vivus vici (also written as "Vi veri veniversum vivus vici") is a Latin phrase meaning: "By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe"

I have never hijacked your threads and give so many insulting comments.

and coming from some one who claims to have conquered the universe,well it does make one think.

[marpat]

No chemtrails and your military experience.

Can you read? I did say that I am open to chemtrail theories if the proof is sufficient.

[metacomet]

marpat... your fishing lol as i call it. you keep casting your line and waiting for the next person to bite, he is deliberatly holding us here taunting. while everyone keeps biting at his bait trying to get him to see the truth(he knows the bloody truth.. evil one) he's a distraction,

Thank you. :)

You see it too.

Yep. Just another occult TOOL sitting about lighting his own farts in hopes that it will distract people from the very knowledge he failed to obtain.

[marpat]

You're kidding right?

I am constantly pointing your bullshit out to others... I'll admit that.

Never once did I call you out or threaten you.

:rolleyes:

Please dude, put down the stick, stop trying to poke people into submission.

You are like a shrill, screaching alley cat outside our window while we try to have an adult conversation. Nobody is listening to you, nobody is taking you seriously... yet you croon on and on in an effort to stifle discussion.

Shoo cat. Shoo.


Did you not recently say that if you were in a room with me you would set upon me in a flash. Read the thread about the Israeli using a kid as a target. I know the OP posted the thread into two different places but you said something along that line in one of them.


Looks like you are listening.:D

[marpat]

Thank you. :)

You see it too.

Yep. Just another occult TOOL sitting about lighting his own farts in hopes that it will distract people from the very knowledge he failed to obtain.

:D

If you say so

[lightgiver]

Can you read? I did say that I am open to chemtrail theories if the proof is sufficient.

Prove you are in the military and that chem trails are a figment of everyone's imagination,and on the O.T.O Your worshipful master who you are fond of.,

O.T .O

Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) (Order of the Temple of the East, or the Order of Oriental Templars) is an international fraternal and religious organization founded at the beginning of the 20th century. Originally it was intended to be modelled after and associated with Freemasonry, but under the leadership of Aleister Crowley was reorganized based on the Law of Thelema as its central religious principle.

Vi veri universum vivus vici (also written as "Vi veri veniversum vivus vici") is a Latin phrase meaning: "By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe"

I have never hijacked your threads and give so many insulting comments.

and coming from some one who claims to have conquered the universe,well it does make one think.

You insult and abuse everyone on this forum and D Icke and you have the audacity to use his forum to do it.

That could only come from a Member of the O.T.O.

If chemtrails do not exist to you, why do you Haarp so much on about it?

[john connor]

My paymaster? I am British not some far out yank.

I think you have me all wrong. Although I have a military job that does not mean I am pro government. If I thought a lot of these theries were true then I would be doing my bit to raise awareness of the issue but until people can convince me then I will ask questions and expect some form of real proof. I dont count youtube vids as evidence.

I am religious in a way although I do not offer loyalty to any faith in particular. I think all religions are limited expressions of consciousness, each containing only a porting of truth but not the full truth.


I cant believe I'm replying again..British, American, Swiss what difference does that really make? its way past the time for differences of nationality, race, religion been their done it- saw that underneath we are all the same..all trying to live the best we can - we all have a common enemy an enemy thats trying to destroy most of us. You keep going on about proof are you going to say that American money funding the Nazis was a lie? fabricated? if you accept that the NWO is real, that WW2 was not fought for the reasons my dad served in the Army for - freedom - then the conclusion I came too was not only did WW2 serve to make the Elite even richer and to re define the political map of Europe, it was probably a bloody trial run for whats to come, lets see how obedient our millitary can be " I was just following orders"
no need for social services then..wont be any old or disabled, anyone who is of no use - well Im sure I dont have to draw a picture, people who think nothing of killing have no qualms about mass murder, Nutricide (codex) chemtrails etc, I dont personally believe the spraying is soley to kill people off, more like a " oh well they are expendable" I think it probably serves more than one reason, and NO I dont know what that reason is - this thread was supposedly about what the majority on here believe to be somthing that affects us all - namely Chemtrails you have turned it into a sideshow.

[marpat]

Prove you are in the military and that chem trails are a figment of everyone's imagination,and on the O.T.O Your worshipful master who you are fond of.,

O.T .O

Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) (Order of the Temple of the East, or the Order of Oriental Templars) is an international fraternal and religious organization founded at the beginning of the 20th century. Originally it was intended to be modelled after and associated with Freemasonry, but under the leadership of Aleister Crowley was reorganized based on the Law of Thelema as its central religious principle.

Vi veri universum vivus vici (also written as "Vi veri veniversum vivus vici") is a Latin phrase meaning: "By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe"

I have never hijacked your threads and give so many insulting comments.

and coming from some one who claims to have conquered the universe,well it does make one think.

You insult and abuse everyone on this forum and D Icke and you have the audacity to use his forum to do it.


Pro wiki user.

I dont abuse everybody. I can think of at least two people who I have not upset.

Can you highlight any post I have written in which I claim chemtrails are a figment of imagination. I know there are persistent and non-persistant contrails.

[marpat]

I cant believe I'm replying again..British, American, Swiss what difference does that really make? its way past the time for differences of nationality, race, religion been their done it- saw that underneath we are all the same..all trying to live the best we can - we all have a common enemy an enemy thats trying to destroy most of us. You keep going on about proof are you going to say that American money funding the Nazis was a lie? fabricated? if you accept that the NWO is real, that WW2 was not fought for the reasons my dad served in the Army for - freedom - then the conclusion I came too was not only did WW2 serve to make the Elite even richer and to re define the political map of Europe, it was probably a bloody trial run for whats to come, lets see how obedient our millitary can be " I was just following orders"
no need for social services then..wont be any old or disabled, anyone who is of no use - well Im sure I dont have to draw a picture, people who think nothing of killing have no qualms about mass murder, Nutricide (codex) chemtrails etc, I dont personally believe the spraying is soley to kill people off, more like a " oh well they are expendable" I think it probably serves more than one reason, and NO I dont know what that reason is - this thread was supposedly about what the majority on here believe to be somthing that affects us all - namely Chemtrails you have turned it into a sideshow.

This is about chemtrails not WWII. You are getting off the subject.

[lightgiver]

Pro wiki user.

I dont abuse everybody. I can think of at least two people who I have not upset.

Can you highlight any post I have written in which I claim chemtrails are a figment of imagination. I know there are persistent and non-persistant contrails.

Is that all you can do is insult?

Prove that you are in the military and stop avoiding the question.

Like i say if they(chemtrails) do not exist to you why are you so bothered and continually degrade people on this issue?and continually hijack my threads and posts with your chums.

[marpat]

Is that all you can do is insult?

Prove that you are in the military and stop avoiding the question.

Like i say if they(chemtrails) do not exist to you why are you so bothered and continually degrade people on this issue?


I thought we were debating about how real the evidence is not whether we believe in them or not.

[lizzy]

His insults are vague and disguised most often... like most truth-fighters he knows how to provoke and talk shit just on the verge of confrontation.

He waltzes into every thread asking stupid questions and trying to trip people up...

when confronted with this he throws his hands up "What? What, I can't ask questions? I can't demand proof?"

:rolleyes: Such an obvious shit-stirrer. Easy to identify and ignore, like the kid in class who would say things just to get a rise out of people.

You're right... they are a dime a dozen.

well said metacomet .......SOoo TRUE.......:eek::eek::D

[lightgiver]

I thought we were debating about how real the evidence is not whether we believe in them or not.

Prove you are in the military.Stop avoiding the question.

Marpat you do not debate you insult,and hijack and derail my threads and posts with your chums.

[marpat]

Prove you are in the military.Stop avoiding the question.

Marpat you do not debate you insult,and hijack and derail my threads and posts with your chums.


What proof would you like?

[lightgiver]

What proof would you like?

Evidence on this forum that you are in the military and that there are no such things as chemtrails as you keep insulting everyone with this great know ledge you have.

[marpat]

Evidence on this forum that you are in the military and that there are no such things as chemtrails as you keep insulting everyone with this great know ledge you have.


Like I said before it is too easy to fabricate, as is much of this supposed 'chemtrail' proof.

Thanks for confessing that I have great knowledge. I knew you would realise it in the end.

[lightgiver]

Like I said before it is too easy to fabricate, as is much of this supposed 'chemtrail' proof.

Thanks for confessing that I have great knowledge. I knew you would realise it in the end.

Marpet ,Military proof.

There's nothing new here, for those who have been paying attention. In the 1970s, Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, bluntly stated in his book Between Two Ages, "Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need to be appraised. [T]echniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm."

[marpat]

Military proof.

You could turn that into a mantra :D although it sounds more like a broken record.

[lightgiver]

You could turn that into a mantra :D although it sounds more like a broken record.

Yes but you are giving no proof of your broken record military experience and still you hijack my threads.

and you give no eveidence that chemtrails do not exist,especially when people are seing them with their own eysw and colecting samples.

The proof of chem trails out weighs the proof that there are none,in a court of law the verdict would be GUILTY as CHARGED,your honour.

[marpat]

Marpet ,Military proof.

There's nothing new here, for those who have been paying attention. In the 1970s, Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, bluntly stated in his book Between Two Ages, "Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need to be appraised. [T]echniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm."


Yes but that statement does not say for use against their own populations. It talks of weather modification but people think chemtrailers are about poisoning people or HAARP or other weird subjects.

That statement is not proof of chemtrails.

[marpat]

Yes but you are giving no proof of your broken record military experience and still you hijack my threads.


Debating is the word

[lightgiver]

Debating is the word

But marpet you do not debate you insult criticise and make personnel insultive comments,now where is the proof that you serve in this military unit you claim to do.

[metacomet]

Yes but you are giving no proof of your broken record military experience and still you hijack my threads.

and you give no eveidence that chemtrails do not exist,especially when people are seing them with their own eysw and colecting samples.

The proof of chem trails out weighs the proof that there are none,in a court of law the verdict would be GUILTY as CHARGED,your honour.

Anyone without an agenda would see and agree with your point here lightgiver...

marpat has an agenda (of some sort)... he is never going to recognize the validity of anything outside his own experience or dogma :)

Do yourself a favor mate... click his name and put him on ignore. He will sniff out other people to bother soon enough.

[lightgiver]

Anyone without an agenda would see and agree with your point here lightgiver...

marpat has an agenda (of some sort)... he is never going to recognize the validity of anything outside his own experience or dogma :)

Do yourself a favor mate... click his name and put him on ignore. He will sniff out other people to bother soon enough.

Metacomet with due respect,i have had 10 months of this on this forum,and i am having no more.
I want proof that he is in the military,because he keeps telling everybody he is and thats where is know ledge of chem trails comes from,so lets have it once and for all,because i am taking no more abuse of this fellow and not witnessing other forum members getting the same abuse including new comers.

I forgot about the ignore list,rushes to it immediately.

No more insults eh marpat.

[marpat]

Anyone without an agenda would see and agree with your point here lightgiver...

marpat has an agenda (of some sort)... he is never going to recognize the validity of anything outside his own experience or dogma :)

Do yourself a favor mate... click his name and put him on ignore. He will sniff out other people to bother soon enough.

So what is my agenda?

There are a lot of people who get annoyed when proof is asked for but that just looks like a dodge to me.

[marpat]

Metacomet with due respect,i have had 10 months of this on this forum,and i am having no more.
I want proof that he is in the military,because he keeps telling everybody he is and thats where is know ledge of chem trails comes from,so lets have it once and for all,because i am taking no more abuse of this fellow and not witnessing other forum members getting the same abuse including new comers.

I forgot about the ignore list,rushes to it immediately.

No more insults eh marpat.


I could provide you with detail but why? not only would I be putting myself at risk but any information I provide could easily be false and fabricated. How would you know if it was true or not? I have stated this many times but I think you are incapable of actually seeing how easy it would be to just put false details on the forum. At the end of the day it would be a matter of belief as I could put 20 pages of material in here then you could just say that you dont believe it. So I ask you, why bother?

[marpat]

Yes but you are giving no proof of your broken record military experience and still you hijack my threads.

and you give no eveidence that chemtrails do not exist,especially when people are seing them with their own eysw and colecting samples.

The proof of chem trails out weighs the proof that there are none,in a court of law the verdict would be GUILTY as CHARGED,your honour.

This post is very interesting. I would love to see somebody take all of this material to court. If you have enough evidence to convince a court then why are you not doing anything about it? talking about it in a forum is not helping the average person on the street.

So why is this subject not going to court with all of the evidence? if people actually had the grapes to make such challenges then I might actually start taking you seriously but if the entire fight against the NWO is nothing more than posting in a forum then I have got to think that people have nothing to go on.

If 100 people in here claims they have evidence of such chemtrails then let those 100 people make a legal challenge. Lets see some action for once.

[boots]

Boots, with regard to that huge piece of cut and paste, what do you expect from me?

Lets discuss that website. It says HAARP is used for weather manipulation but can you explain how this is done? I know it is used to heat the ionosphere but that is a pretty limited effect. Why dont you show me in technical terms how HAARp is used as a weather weapon to create earthquakes, etc.

Weather manipulation. It is only a matter of time before people try and control the weather for many obvious reasons. So what if some of those articles indicate the creation of clouds, etc. This does not mean that this is what is going on in the skies, these so called chemtrails.

Taken from that webiste:

(a) Prohibited activities

The Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by contract)--
(1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent
or biological agent on a civilian population; or
(2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent on
human subjects.

(b) Exceptions

Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e) of this section, the
prohibition in subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a test
or experiment carried out for any of the following purposes:
(1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical,
therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research
activity.
(2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against
toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents.
(3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related
to riot control.

(c) Informed consent required

The Secretary of Defense may conduct a test or experiment described
in subsection (b) of this section only if informed consent to the
testing was obtained from each human subject in advance of the testing
on that subject.

(e) ``Biological agent'' defined

In this section, the term ``biological agent'' means any micro-
organism (including bacteria, viruses, fungi, rickettsiac, or protozoa),
pathogen, or infectious substance, and any naturally occurring,
bioengineered, or synthesized component of any such micro-organism,
pathogen, or infectious substance, whatever its origin or method of
production, that is capable of causing--
(1) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a human,
an animal, a plant, or another living organism;
(2) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or
materials of any kind; or
(3) deleterious alteration of the environment.


If they wanted to just chemtrail people and cover it up why would they bother creating any rules and regulations?


Asthma may be on the increase but this could be due to vehicle air pollution or even some types of stress.


The Nazi were very good at keeping document's on ALL of their activities.


It was there in plain site.

It's a law marpat.

[boots]

Weather manipulation. It is only a matter of time before people try and control the weather for many obvious reasons. So what if some of those articles indicate the creation of clouds, etc. This does not mean that this is what is going on in the skies, these so called chemtrails.


Yes it is marpat.

U.S. Patents
List Of Patents (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/Aerosol%20Programs%20Patently%20Obvious.htm)
They have to patent the devices used to conduct the chemtrail activity.
Here is a partial list of such patents with the dates included.
-------
The first following U.S. patent is to "the United States Of America as represented by the Secratary of the Navy" for a "contrail generation apparatus" in which "light scattering pigment powder particles" are "dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator as seperate single particles to produce a powder contrail having maximum visibility or radiation scattering ability for a given weight material".
http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/us%20patent%20for%20us%20navy/us%20patent%20for%20us%20navy.jpg
Read the full text at Rense.com (http://www.rense.com/general2/pat.htm)
Throughout the text they use the word "contrail" yet in the Summary
they add that "the term 'contrail' was adopted for convenience in
identifying the visible powder trail of this invention".


Contrails are water vapor putting out a powder into the atmosphere is a chemtrail.


Do you agree with this statement. Marpat????

[lightgiver]

More spraying today at dusk,shed loads i have took pictures as soon as i have got them all on computer i will print them,and lo and behold clouds have started to form.:(

[marpat]

The Nazi were very good at keeping document's on ALL of their activities.


It was there in plain site.

It's a law marpat.


So they create laws that would possibly incriminate themselves and which would require them to break. Sounds really sensible that.

[marpat]

Yes it is marpat.

U.S. Patents
List Of Patents (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/Aerosol%20Programs%20Patently%20Obvious.htm)
They have to patent the devices used to conduct the chemtrail activity.
Here is a partial list of such patents with the dates included.
-------
The first following U.S. patent is to "the United States Of America as represented by the Secratary of the Navy" for a "contrail generation apparatus" in which "light scattering pigment powder particles" are "dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator as seperate single particles to produce a powder contrail having maximum visibility or radiation scattering ability for a given weight material".
http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/us%20patent%20for%20us%20navy/us%20patent%20for%20us%20navy.jpg
Read the full text at Rense.com (http://www.rense.com/general2/pat.htm)
Throughout the text they use the word "contrail" yet in the Summary
they add that "the term 'contrail' was adopted for convenience in
identifying the visible powder trail of this invention".


Contrails are water vapor putting out a powder into the atmosphere is a chemtrail.


Do you agree with this statement. Marpat????


I am not saying that such a thing cannot be done but what I am saying is that there is no proof what people are claiming is anything like this. Can you categorically state that what people are seeing are exactly such things and if so why are you not making legal challenges. If it is officilally documented and you can make the connections then how can you fail?

What you state is a very specific application. It mentions a jet mill when many of the pics people take show the contrail comming from the back of the engine. They can form on wingtips as well depending on atmospheric conditions.

[boots]

I am not saying that such a thing cannot be done but what I am saying is that there is no proof what people are claiming is anything like this. Can you categorically state that what people are seeing are exactly such things and if so why are you not making legal challenges. If it is officilally documented and you can make the connections then how can you fail?

What you state is a very specific application. It mentions a jet mill when many of the pics people take show the contrail comming from the back of the engine. They can form on wingtips as well depending on atmospheric conditions.

For those in power it would have to be done on a large scale for this to be effective. I would have to say that it is being added to the fuel, as well as specific spraying in certain area's.


May 12, 2008


Monterey Court Judge finds
California Department of Food and Agriculture - CDFA
Gulity for Aerial Spraying People with a biochemical!

Clifford Carnicom (http://www.carnicom.com/morelink.htm) will be speaking at the
2008 CONSPIRACY CON (http://www.conspiracycon.com/index1.html)

July 23, 2008
We rarely go off topic but this is too important.
Dennis Kucinich brings impeachment charges against GW Bush.
The < B>< B>Impeachment< /B>< /B>< /B> Hearings will be heard this Friday.
Tell your congressmember to suportDennis Kucinich this Friday (http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt) and
demand the media covers the hearings



Dennis Kucinich (http://www.chemtrails911.com/dennis.htm) has always spoken against aerosol operations.










There are many people trying to take the government to court or the military industrial complex.

[bigjayonline]

You could easily prove you are Military without showing your mod90. Why not tell us something nice and simple that a civvie wouldn't know. I personally dont think that being in the Army/Navy/RAF would mean you would know any more than the avarage person anyway as i really think the circle would be very small etc and even officers upto LT Col would be in the dark ......you are obviously a keyboard warrior and when pushed keep changing the subject.

[marpat]

Marprick you are boring me to tears please disapear. You could easily prove you are Military without showing your mod90. Why not tell us something nice and simple that a civvie wouldn't know. I personally dont think that being in the Army/Navy/RAF would mean you would know any more than the avarage person anyway as i really think the circle would be very small etc and even officers upto LT Col would be in the dark ......you are obviously a keyboard warrior and when pushed keep changing the subject.


So nodody in the system would know, but you do?

Lets see you make a legal challenge then.

Why should I prove what job I do. I dont care if you believe me or not. It is LG who keeps asking for proof and I keep telling him its too easy to fabricate. Just because you work as a civvy on a camp does not mean you know anything.

[marpat]

For those in power it would have to be done on a large scale for this to be effective. I would have to say that it is being added to the fuel, as well as specific spraying in certain area's.


May 12, 2008


Monterey Court Judge finds
California Department of Food and Agriculture - CDFA
Gulity for Aerial Spraying People with a biochemical!

Clifford Carnicom (http://www.carnicom.com/morelink.htm) will be speaking at the
2008 CONSPIRACY CON (http://www.conspiracycon.com/index1.html)

July 23, 2008
We rarely go off topic but this is too important.
Dennis Kucinich brings impeachment charges against GW Bush.
The < B>< B>Impeachment< /B>< /B>< /B> Hearings will be heard this Friday.
Tell your congressmember to suportDennis Kucinich this Friday (http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt) and
demand the media covers the hearings



Dennis Kucinich (http://www.chemtrails911.com/dennis.htm) has always spoken against aerosol operations.










There are many people trying to take the government to court or the military industrial complex.


So if all this stuff gets added to the fuel then does it not cause engine damage? dont you think people might think it is odd that something is be damaging the engines? try putting some substances in your car engines and see what happens. What if the extreme temperature of the engine exhaust completely toasted whatever comes out of the back and made it of no use?

Well I would be very interested to see the outcome of such a legal challenge. LG is conviced that the evidence is there and that a court would have to say its true. I sit not just a case of filing a complaint or something then developing from there? do you have any information on people doing this? I know that German weatherman tried but I think what happened to his radar can be easily explained.

Can I ask what you think the purpose of thse trails are? LG states that we are breathing this stuff in all the time, as many people in here claim. My response to these claims would be to ask if people are walking around with respirators on!?! If people are so convinced that such crap is in our air and they are having all sorts of health problems through breathing it in then are they countering this by wearing respirators? if they do not then why not!!!!do they lack the courage of their convictions?

[boots]

So if all this stuff gets added to the fuel then does it not cause engine damage? dont you think people might think it is odd that something is be damaging the engines? try putting some substances in your car engines and see what happens. What if the extreme temperature of the engine exhaust completely toasted whatever comes out of the back and made it of no use?

Well, you dont know much about engines, Ill give you that much.

Mechanics have an old trick to clean out carburetors, by putting brake fluid into it. Creates a hell of a lot of smoke and smells like brake fluid and does not effect performance.


Well I would be very interested to see the outcome of such a legal challenge. LG is conviced that the evidence is there and that a court would have to say its true. I sit not just a case of filing a complaint or something then developing from there? do you have any information on people doing this? I know that German weatherman tried but I think what happened to his radar can be easily explained.

Read the post Above in which have quoted
May 12, 2008


Monterey Court Judge finds
California Department of Food and Agriculture - CDFA
Gulity for Aerial Spraying People with a biochemical!

Remember there is a patent for this. So TPTB think they have a legal right by the nature of their own laws, same as the Nazi's did. Do you seriously think that the military industrial complex dont have a ream of expert lawyers to work for them? Not to mention the loads of cash. to back and pay off anyone?


Can I ask what you think the purpose of thse trails are? LG states that we are breathing this stuff in all the time, as many people in here claim. My response to these claims would be to ask if people are walking around with respirators on!?! If people are so convinced that such crap is in our air and they are having all sorts of health problems through breathing it in then are they countering this by wearing respirators? if they do not then why not!!!!do they lack the courage of their convictions?

Many reasons from creating a "sunscreen" to affecting health.


Shocking Phoenix Air Quality Test Results (http://www.rense.com/general82/chemit.htm) (Backup file)
cadmium is 126x the toxic limit,
chromium is 282x the toxic limit and
nickel is 169x the toxic limit.
aluminum is a stagg 6,400x the toxic limit,
iron is 28,000x the toxic limit,
magnesium is 5.3x the toxic limit,
potassium is 793x the toxic limit and
sodium is 15.9x the toxic limit
barium is 278x the toxic limit,
copper is 98x the toxic limit,
manganese is a staggering
5,820x the toxic limit
zinc is 593x the toxic limit
"Allergies on the Rise-" (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/World%20Allergy%20Day,%20July%208,%202005%20-%20Allergies%20on%20the%20Rise.htm)
Thursday 30 June 2005 Barium and Chemtrails (http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/bariumhealth.htm)
and the health effects thereof
Health effects of Aluminum
(http://cisat1.isciii.es/tfacts22.pdf)which has been found in Chemtrail samples(need Acrobat Reader (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html) to view)

Chronic barium intoxication disrupts sulphated proteoglycan synthesis (http://purplehaze.4mg.com/health.html):
a hypothesis for the origins of multiple sclerosis.


This equals BIG money for the medical industry as well as reducing populations, a cornerstone of the UN's agenda 21 policy.

.

[grachtengordel]

I personally dont think that being in the Army/Navy/RAF would mean you would know any more than the avarage person

it's true. in fact they know a lot LESS, they are conditioned to 'believe without knowing and to know without believing'

[fuzzylogic]

Shocking Phoenix Air Quality Test Results (http://www.rense.com/general82/chemit.htm) (Backup file)
cadmium is 126x the toxic limit,
chromium is 282x the toxic limit and
nickel is 169x the toxic limit.
aluminum is a stagg 6,400x the toxic limit,
iron is 28,000x the toxic limit,
magnesium is 5.3x the toxic limit,
potassium is 793x the toxic limit and
sodium is 15.9x the toxic limit
barium is 278x the toxic limit,
copper is 98x the toxic limit,
manganese is a staggering
5,820x the toxic limit
zinc is 593x the toxic limit
So we must question Marpat's claims to be in the military, but we must blindly follow a report that for all intents and purposes could have been made up?

The hypocrisy is amazing.

If you are not willing to believe Marpat then there is no reason to believe that report.

The problem is that people will believe whatever suits them.

[grachtengordel]

So we must question Marpat's claims to be in the military, but we must blindly follow a report that for all intents and purposes could have been made up?.

which report are you talking about? I read a lot of individual anecdotes in this thread but i skipped the quoted info as it mostly seems to be about WHAT are chemtrails rather than WHY chemtrails. I 'm interested in how these trails could be utilised rather than what is in them. I don't think the trails are poison, much easier to put it in the water/food, they spray that shit because they want it to STAY up there, not fall down to earth. they want that shit in the sky, not in our lungs.
I am not scared of being poisoned by them, but what are they for? gotta be some HAARP stuff, some ENERGY stuff, they are propagating the sky with this shit, not administering it to our bodies

And the reasons I doubt 'muppet' is are that he posts no info, uses all the classic disinfo tactics, quotes a peadophile satanist sodomist pervert in his signature. if it walks like an fake and it quacks like an fake, it probably is an fake.

If you are not willing to believe Marpat then there is no reason to believe that report.

"that report" hasn't spent the last 12 months making a complete arse of itself all over the forum

[fuzzylogic]

"that report" hasn't spent the last 12 months making a complete arse of itself all over the forum
Well no, it's only 8 months old.

[lupa]

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