Reptilian Love

[shenoma]

Since so many people on here, either hate or just being blind about the reppies, I just wanted to share some info. They do love and very passionately do it for a lifetime, if they so choose. They can care about each other and protect each other until death.

Sex for each species is unique and speical, the body feels differently then the next one. How they express themselves is also special and should not be judge by human standards. Just because is different, does not mean they do not breed and love their mates. Their culture is built and functions on different thoughts and reasons from what humans might understood when we use such terms.

Yes, from the point of veiw of humans, the choices they have made could be called evil, but what about our own collective history? Maybe, we should not be so quick to judge, that is so particular, without, first coming to the most basic understanding of our cousins.

[size_of_light]

It's extremely difficult to show love to something that only wants to hide from you.

And I've tried.

And yes, it was a sheep.

But the point still stands.

[shenoma]

Haha, I hope your message was meant has a joke, right?

It's extremely difficult to show love to something that only wants to hide from you.

And I've tried.

And yes, it was a sheep.

But the point still stands.

[jojo]

i imagine chickens, cows and pigs going through the slaughter system must also think how humans must not have the capacity to love...

so i see what the OP is saying. Humans are not that far removed from the reptillian brain...

[size_of_light]

Haha, I hope your message was meant has a joke, right?

(coughs wool) Of course! :o

:eek:

[croatiancoffee]

OP?

[jojo]

OP?

origional post/er

[octopusrex]

It's extremely difficult to show love to something that only wants to hide from you.

And I've tried.

And yes, it was a sheep.

But the point still stands.

A little zoopihilia before dinner? How charming...

[size_of_light]

A little zoopihilia before dinner? How charming...

Dinner? :eek: I don't know where you're at, but it's way past midnight here, and it's time to get funky.

[merlincove]

By their fruits you shall know them.

Comparing reptilians to reptiles is like comparing humans to simians. Each lineage shares a common genetic base but we can not, and shouldn’t really, view such lineages as being mutually one and the same construct.

We should all accept each other for who we are, accepting one and other on a very individual basis as to what they are to us personally; if someone abuses or hurts you, be they reptilian, human, black or white or whatever, then it best to distance yourself from them, and likewise if we should surround ourselves with those who we feel love and warmth for and who treat us with love, warmth and respect.

100 years ago racial segregation was rife throughout the world, many white people saw themselves as supreme and enslaved other races, typically the black Africans and Caribbean’s – perhaps through fear that the black race may overthrow the white mans authority, TPTB driving the hand of oppression.

Such was done in the name of control, although that control was fueled by Ignorance and Fear. The black man was portrayed as savage and uncivilized, he threatened civilized societies ‘way of life’ - although he was treated with gross unfairness by that very same ‘apparent’ civilized society. Irony, isn’t it brilliant?

We find ourselves in the same situation now with energetic frequencies that we do not fully understand, energetic frequencies that we are told are evil, manipulating, uncaring.

So why do we judge the reptilians as uncaring, incapable of love? If we are to judge them, maybe we need to judge them by their interactions with us on personal levels.

[lightblessins]

Since so many people on here, either hate or just being blind about the reppies, I just wanted to share some info. They do love and very passionately do it for a lifetime, if they so choose. They can care about each other and protect each other until death.

Sex for each species is unique and speical, the body feels differently then the next one. How they express themselves is also special and should not be judge by human standards. Just because is different, does not mean they do not breed and love their mates. Their culture is built and functions on different thoughts and reasons from what humans might understood when we use such terms.

Yes, from the point of veiw of humans, the choices they have made could be called evil, but what about our own collective history? Maybe, we should not be so quick to judge, that is so particular, without, first coming to the most basic understanding of our cousins.

Firstly are you taking about reptiltians as a whole or one peticual race of?
some reptilian species av only one gender, some reptilian species dont practice love at all, its not within their dna, they av passion, lust etc but not love. i dont hate any reptilian species for who they are not even the draconains, after all we are what we are.:)

[tiamet2012]

Well said, on the reptilains deal..........got me to thinking........alot of things
Vibrations of the whole body do you know what this means?
Can a human have a reptilian child?
Love we need to work on ourselves and be a pure heart before we can see the secrets of the world but you can never go back once you know........never

[rhydra]

Humans are very sexually orientated creatures, probably because of adverse environmental conditions and the need to breed early and breed fast. In that way humans do sometime s mix up emotions such as love and lust. Lust is a necessary means of ensuring the survival of a species, during crises such as wars and disasters the birth levels go up, puberty happens earlier, that goes back to the need to start breeding during times of crisis and stress.
For more advanced and species less dependent on adaptation, the need for breeding is not as urgent, lust isn't necessary but emotional bonds are stronger having lifetime mates, fertility dependent on population etc.
it seems that the the sexual fantasies attributed to Reptilians and the Draco are more to do with goings on in the human mind than any interaction.

[size_of_light]

I'll go back to what I said earlier, but frame it more seriously:

If reptilians exist in a physical sense and are on this planet with us, then I have zero respect for them, and couldn't give a rat's ass whether or not they're hurt that we don't feel more affectionately-inclined towards them, until they a) actually make it known - via evidence - that they do fucking exist, and b) pay us the simple courtesy of not hiding in the shadows anymore and instead emerge and engage us as equal beings.

[merlincove]

Thing is Size, the fu(kers who are evil minded, satanic, etc will never bow to that. Just like the 'hippes' and new agers (and before anyone slates me, i fall into both catagories ;-) ) there must be some socially / emotionally / spiritually aware reptilian energies, descendants from the anunaki through bloodline manipulation who are aware of their reptilian DNA who see the reptilian agenda just like we do? They see the reps of the bush admin and nwo / rothchild clans and they loathe them as much - and even if not more so - than we do?

i don't know, i've never met anyone who says that they are reptilian, but it strikes me that we can't paint them all with the same brush.

Yes there are reptilian bastards, purebloods cast from the reigns of the anunaki and interbreeding ever sinse, we know who they are. But when that bloodline is diluted / hybridised with human blood, over the ages then do we see a damping of ego / evilness / satanistic values that is so evident in the nwo's elite - do we see reptilian dna within the human condition dealing with what we percieve as human emotions not on an ego base but on a caring base?

i posted something som time ago, saying that maybe the interaction (and now i'm seeing interbreeding) of reptilians with humans makes them more human.

[croquetplayer12]

why should we like anything that has manipulated us
and has made us a more dense species
any one you were to see is bad soo i say theyre all bad(anyone of them on earth or ever will be)
and they are FUGLY

[croquetplayer12]

Humans are very sexually orientated creatures, probably because of adverse environmental conditions and the need to breed early and breed fast. In that way humans do sometime s mix up emotions such as love and lust. Lust is a necessary means of ensuring the survival of a species, during crises such as wars and disasters the birth levels go up, puberty happens earlier, that goes back to the need to start breeding during times of crisis and stress.
For more advanced and species less dependent on adaptation, the need for breeding is not as urgent, lust isn't necessary but emotional bonds are stronger having lifetime mates, fertility dependent on population etc.
it seems that the the sexual fantasies attributed to Reptilians and the Draco are more to do with goings on in the human mind than any interaction.

Credo mutwa said before they came humans where A sexual and they made us male and female so theyre the reason why were so sexually orientated

[croquetplayer12]

Thing is Size, the fu(kers who are evil minded, satanic, etc will never bow to that. Just like the 'hippes' and new agers (and before anyone slates me, i fall into both catagories ;-) ) there must be some socially / emotionally / spiritually aware reptilian energies, descendants from the anunaki through bloodline manipulation who are aware of their reptilian DNA who see the reptilian agenda just like we do? They see the reps of the bush admin and nwo / rothchild clans and they loathe them as much - and even if not more so - than we do?

i don't know, i've never met anyone who says that they are reptilian, but it strikes me that we can't paint them all with the same brush.

Yes there are reptilian bastards, purebloods cast from the reigns of the anunaki and interbreeding ever sinse, we know who they are. But when that bloodline is diluted / hybridised with human blood, over the ages then do we see a damping of ego / evilness / satanistic values that is so evident in the nwo's elite - do we see reptilian dna within the human condition dealing with what we percieve as human emotions not on an ego base but on a caring base?

i posted something som time ago, saying that maybe the interaction (and now i'm seeing interbreeding) of reptilians with humans makes them more human.

Humans got along just fine before they showed up
we didnt talk vocalbut through our heads and they took that away and seperated us through language so its them who has made us who we are today

[croatiancoffee]

Any person or being who controls is not to be trusted, and it is not the way to go about things. Acting out of fear, rather than love. That is just wrong!

[measle_weasel]

Credo mutwa said before they came humans where A sexual and they made us male and female so theyre the reason why were so sexually orientated

Just because Credo says something, doesnt mean its true. Same with David Icke, and everyone else.

[siphon880di]

They control people through astral sex because they can attach entities to your lower chakras at pre-organism. If someone had reptilian sex and claims reptilians are good, you can't trust them. Their moods, synchronicities (events in life or internet), insights (thoughts that show up) have been altered.

True love beings would not hide information from others. They would want to share the world they have because that is true love. Hiding information from people because we can't "handle" the truth is a lame excuse. They hid the information back at a time when people were easily superstitious as opposed to mundane. We were more curious at that time, even worshipping serpents, so what would they lose if they had told us? Power to manipulate.

Reptilian shapeshifters are probably a whole other story because they're part human. Humans are very capable of love. When people feel emotions, they can feel either very charged or drained, but the area around them have a certain feeling. Like when you walk into a haunted house, some of them feels quite dreadful because the air is so charged. Eg. a girl sees a dog she thinks "ohh it's so cute", and now it's easier for her to love it for what it is. But I think reptilian shapeshifters, unless their responsible for they're experiences, have some of their strings pulled by astral reppies, to break up with others or cause as much drama as possible. The negative energy goes to the true insidious reptilian creed.

Btw, we are capable of taking energy from bad emotions as well. It's just a way of orientating yourself to the charge it would give you. I'm not sure if any emotions can replace chemical energy that we get from food in the long run. If you suck energy from another person, especially emotional energy, your other body will become hooked to it like cocaine. Look up "energy vampirism". You will see that some people actually practiced this and they can't quit. They get near some people and literally just feel the energy (a sort of astral / second-body wind) hit them from people around. Other people gets drained, may notice it, and leave. They're lonely people, the energy vampires. Never start something like this.

Anyways, that just makes me think that reptilians have an origin in another dimension. The vastness of those other dimensions spoiled most of their race. They can peak into this world, and decided they use our energy. They lost their love in most of their collective consciousness, while we are more capable of feeling love because we see the simple things and some times things as they are. The Creator intelligence wants spirits that love things for what they are to evolve rather than cause as much chaos as possible through large distances of dimensions (reptilians are actually in a dimension that isn't too far from ours). Someone can argue love is built into the biological responses (selfish gene in families, and intellectual wonder), but I argue that's for illusionary purposes. Behind your body, there is true love that you can access that lets you tear through the superiority-inferiority complex, status showing, urge to control, etc.

[lordreptoid]

They control people through astral sex because...

Have you stepped it up a notch and ever had sex with anyone in your life before? How can any ever trust the words of someone who's admitted that astral sex is BAD and then goes around doing the dirty in the PHYSICAL ON TOP OF the astral taboo? I for one, based on AGREEMENT with your "logic", shall call you the devil, the great trickster of humanity, due to your sexual manipulation of everyone you've ever slept with, which includes everyone they've ever screwed, and so on and so on... you're absolutely right, sex of any kind should be make illegal - I'm going right to the Pope at the Vatican and sharing your ideas with him and I'm sure he'll agree with your sentiments... but you're also right that I'll never trust you again either because you are no virgin!

[siphon880di]

I'm sorry if I offended you, but physical sex and astral sex are not the same thing. Most people don't have astral sex. And also, reptilians control people through their lower chakras.

[lordreptoid]

I'm sorry if I offended you, but physical sex and astral sex are not the same thing. Most people don't have astral sex. And also, reptilians control people through their lower chakras.

Appology accepted. Just have to be careful about making assumptions (checking over his scaly shoulder to see if those he has on ignore are still going on about his use of $ to replace the letter 's' or not, then continues...) when dragging entire species groups (not even just one species) into the blame game. Question yourself as if you were doing your own investigation... prove to yourself that what you say is actually even true. It's a philosophical exercise to make a point about speaking and listening in a more alert and active state rather than just echoing what others have told you. :) It's fun to do, so don't fear giving new paradigms a good ol' college try. ;) Until then, I've heard what you've said thousands of times from the same group of a thousand people all reading the exact same sentance over and over again and then parroting it perpatually. Just would like to hear something different once in a while. Not saying it's not happened to a few people before, but saying "that's a fact for everyone" is like eating roast beef once a year and then saying "I constantly eat roast beef" because it's a yearly event and is measured every January 1st. "Every time he visits me I ask him when the last tme he ate roast beef was and every january he says oh just the other day actually, so I suppose he eats that stuff CONSTANTLY." See? Depends on the greater picture and the rest of the facts the observer has yet to realize and thus shift their OWN paradigm to what's really going on.

Now, to be VERY BLUNT... "G2" is a rogue group of reptilians and they do not act like the rest of their own kind, let alone the other several types of reptilians. Is that not direct enough or impressive enough to at least open that mind there juuuuuuuuuuust a little wee bit more? *bats his eyes sweetly* If not, read my website - that might help a bit as well.

Happy tails... er, I mean trails.

[shenoma]

I was not afraid of snakes until the first Indian Jones movie came out, and thanks to that, it took me over 20 years not to be afraid of them once again.

Humans can control each other with sex, when the wife refuses to share herself with her husband over a petty argument. Products being sold everywhere with half naked women or sometimes the women themselves being sold for a buck.

Go ahead and judge something we humans do every single day out of the year. The Others are not better or worse then us, just different is all.

[octopusrex]

Dinner? :eek: I don't know where you're at, but it's way past midnight here, and it's time to get funky.

Wait.. Let me call my girlfriend, my wife and my pet goat...

Oh.. I forgot. I have no wife.

[siphon880di]

Guys, you obviously don't know what I was talking about.

I was talking about astral sex, as in the one you get in a suspicious dream or after sleep paralysis. More than likely, it's a rape than consensual. Here's Astral Dreamscape Manipulation by James Bartley: http://www.whale.to/b/bartley4.html

While the author talks about manipulation to change your sexual orientation, which involves your lower and higher chakras because it's trauma-based, astral sex also makes your lower chakras weaker, so that spirits can project thoughts into you. I was focusing on that fact. I hope you guys know what a chakra is? If not then don't respond to me.

There is a picture that was shown a lot on websites. It shows a reptilian "overshadowing" someone through the lower 3 chakras. This is technically either a full or partial possession because the person's lower chakras are weakened astrally through sex when you have a physical body. This is a low vibration thing to do in the astral realm. I tried to look for the picture and couldn't find it.

Edit:

http://xs135.xs.to/xs135/09044/lower3604.jpg
Source: The reptilian race, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp6iJn4y4QI

PHYSICAL SEX on the other hand is when you do it during your waking days. Of course a women can control a man through sex, and vice versa. But the difference is that it doesn't directly weaken the lower chakras, and only weak humans can get under that influence. If you have any respect for yourself, you'd break off the relationship. There's always someone else to love.

I feel very frustrated and disappointed about the misunderstandings, because I mentioned the chakras getting attacked directly AND the manipulation, and the manipulation that can follow telepathically or possession-wise because they're weakened enough. If you're into the whole reptilian thing, at least learn some of the cannons about astral realms. I might actually leave this forum because I feel this isn't a productive way to use my time. Time is short, and we don't have a lot of it now.

Edit: Shenoma, I can't really describe it but every time you post I recognize your energy signature. It's the tense dissociative energy (like that "ckhhahhkkkaaa! ka ka!") that emits from you. Your avatar almost tricked me into thinking I was imagining it. I grounded myself and checked the energy residual again, and it really is. You're either a G2 reptilian sympathizer or a reptilian cohort is in you. But the energy is the strongest of that type that I've sensed on this board, and it just sticks right out at people whenever you make a post. Other people that claim they were draco, like one person, actually felt warm and familiar despite being extraterresterial, and some other member felt he had a smooth aura and was clear headed, but you felt very disruptive. I have sensed you since the first time I read your posts.

Edit edit: No people, I feel this information straight from your username without even trying because everything is energy. I have a certain type of perception advantage over most people.

[lordreptoid]

Wowsers, I see why you are friends with that murdering xenophobic paranoid NAZI, James Bartley! (That man talked about putting an "end" to the research of John Rhodes with a gun and the FBI got involved whenhe planned a trip that direction - walk that path with words in a public internet location and you should KNOW you are being watched, easily!) Extremists suck! Do you have a little mustache to go with your fearful/hateful postings there, siphon? We get the idea that you CARE about the safety of others, but do NOT become the very dragon that you CLAIM to be "against". Being aware is one thing, but mixing hate/fear into SOME people's experiences and promoting them as "EVERYONE'S" experiences is down right ignorant and the most corrupt any being can possibly be. Extremist hatered is NOT love! You would rather be love, would you not? If you'd rather chose hate/fear then go see Peggy "citizen" Kane and walk the path of the paranoids (medicated or undiagnosed) to your heart's content. All this paranoia and hate/fear is getting to be a real downer and I wonder why so many even tolerate it for an instant here or anywhere. Again pointing this out will probably only get me "in trouble"... just like Icke for poiting out the EXACT SAME THINGS in his books, which this site is BASED ON. (Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about). ;)

Every time I hear "THE REPTILIANS" I also hear "The Jews, The Blacks, The Fags, The Pagans, The Germans, The Indians... etc". Makes me sick thinking I have to live on the same planet as people who even think that way. For anyone reading this site, I sincerely apologize for their fearmongering, and assure you that not all of us think and act this way, even if it seems at times we all do... believe me we all DO NOT. The wise will understand this, just as this same truth exists elsewhere (non-Earth).

Shields up! Someone's playing the fear game - someone may get hurt.

[lordreptoid]

Sumerian text: "Man is born of sadness, for he is of the Blood of the Ancient Ones (One ET race), but has the Spirit of the Elder gods (Another ET race) breathed into him. And his heart goes to the Ancient Ones, but his mind is turned towards the Elder gods, and this is the war which shall be always fought, unto the last generation of man; for the world is unnatural." - ETs have been involved with Earth races since its birth and SOME, not all, fight over control of this living archive of DNA.

Purple Crow: "If you judged all Germans as Nazis then you'd be incorrect in your thinking. If you judged all Americans as supporting their selected officials then you'd also be incorrect. Once this truth is fully understood by many, I wonder why they still have such a difficult time understanding that not all Reptilians or their different species are the same either."

In order to move forwards, we must first review our hidden past and transcend it.
COHRA bridges the gap in mutual understanding through awareness, knowledge and
compassion in preparation for peaceful coexistence and an end to xenophobia and war.

Phase one:

Establish agreed code of conduct for all races. Study how we got to this point in history from the ancient world to the present day and transcend it.

COHRA agreement - All members must uphold and demonstrate these values to be involved.

"I will speak brave and true for what I believe; Seeking and creating new ways of being in the world together; New cultures, human, hybrid and alien; New ways of living, relating, and working; Standing for the transformation of organizations, education, governance... anything and everything... even if I don't know how; Consciously evolving always, ready to take the next step on the journey to Human and Reptilian evolvement and mutual collaboration with other positive beings, entities and life-forms; Embracing grace, wisdom and compassionate understanding as my first choice of working; Developing a new style of co-operative working to achieve unprecedented results; Working energetically to bring out the very best in others and to create the space for others to work together in grace, passionate expression and amazing vitality. It is these values that I uphold and defend with all that I am for the greater good of life everywhere in the living universe."

Phase two:

Prepare platform for open public contact and peaceful coexistance. Continue exopolitical efforts with full awareness and co-operation for the greatest good for all life. IE: GLOBAL CONTACT.

Most of the Rep-Phobia on the internet is due to fearmongering initiated by his fans and not David Icke himself.

Quotes by David Icke from "The biggest secret" (1998):

"As I will keep emphasizing, not all reptilians are of malevolent intent and I have no wish to demonise the reptile stream. We are talking here only of one group of them."

"I think the reptilian genetic stream operates throughout the Universe and they are not all malevolent, far from it. As with humanity, they contain the whole spectrum of attitudes from love to hate, freedom to control. I am identifying a particular group of them, not the whole species - I cannot emphasize that enough."

"It appears from my research that there are different reptilian factions: those who are more positive in their attitude to humanity and those who wish to dominate and control. They both became known as Watchers or angels, the latter as fallen angels."

COHRA - Council On Human-Reptilian Allegiance

The reptilians
A reply from David Icke

Published 1998 - Post "The biggest secret"

There are those who say, apparently, that I am "demonising" reptilians by exposing the background to the global conspiracy and blaming everything on them. That's a point they are entitled to make, but I think it is extremely unfair to say that I am casting them all in the same light or, indeed, that I am saying they are the foundation cause of the global control.

The real cause is billions of people giving their minds away to conditioned "norms" and insisting, at the threat of ridicule or condemnation, that everyone else does the same. Without that, no-one could control the lives of so many people, reptilian or otherwise. We are the real cause and therefore we hold the key to changing the prison to a paradise.

Over the last few days, I have been described as everything from an Illuminati disinformer under mind control to a micro-chipped clone of the Draco reptilians. I have, apparently, become an "issue". How exciting. Little me, an issue. Me dad would have been so proud.

Anyway, first some quotes from The Biggest Secret:

"As I will keep emphasizing, not all reptilians are of malevolent intent and I have no wish to demonise the reptile stream. We are talking here only of one group of them."

"I think the reptilian genetic stream operates throughout the Universe and they are not all malevolent, far from it. As with humanity, they contain the whole spectrum of attitudes from love to hate, freedom to control. I am identifying a particular group of them, not the whole species - I cannot emphasize that enough."

"It appears from my research that there are different reptilian factions: those who are more positive in their attitude to humanity and those who wish to dominate and control. They both became known as Watchers or angels, the latter as fallen angels."

"I would also stress again, before I finish, that when I talk of reptilians I am talking only of those who are seeking to manipulate humanity, not the species as a whole. Many of the reptilian species are trying to help us break the spell and even the manipulating reptilians are possessed by a fifth dimensional force. In the end we're all One, anyway."

I wonder if that really sounds like someone seeking to demonise a whole species. All species and races contain the entire gamut of attitudes and emotions. To expose the Nazis is not to say that every human is a Nazi by implication. If some people don't read these balancing statements and claim that I am saying all reptilians are the same, what can I do about that? How many times am I supposed to repeat the same statement? I hope this makes it clear to people where I am coming from and if anyone has positive reptilian information or experiences to pass on, send the articles and I will post them. No problem. But instead of doing that, some people just sit and moan. It's easier that way, I guess.

I have been staggered in the last few days to have met one researcher and read articles by others who made statements of "fact" about me when they have clearly not read my material, except at a glance, nor ever seen me speak. One accused me of telling people there was no hope (a staggering statement to anyone who has read my books or heard me speak) and then he finished the conversation by saying that the New World Order was going to happen and there was nothing anyone could do about it!! Er, pardon? I am the one, indeed one of the few, conspiracy researchers who is saying we CAN do something about it because, in the end, we are holding up the whole house of cards. Another writer, a Anna Hayes, author of the Voyager Books, admits that she has learned of my work only from "people who told me", but then considers this sufficient research to post an immense tome revealing where I am going wrong, how I am mind controlled, or micro- chipped etc. etc. I trust her books are based on rather more research. You've got to laugh, well I have anyway.

I also hear that I am claiming that the reptilian brain operates the same as lizards and snakes and dinosaurs of millions of years ago. Not at all. I am quoting in the related article on the reptilian brain from conventional scientific sources, not my own conclusions. I am quoting the character traits they say are formed in the ancient reptilian part of the brain, the R-complex as they call it. Of course the reptilian brain will have evolved over millions of years and its human expression will not be a mirror of the way the brain of a lizard or crocodile operates. But there are themes that are the same, themes of ritualistic behaviour, for example. The idea, in the human example, is to balance out those traits with other parts of our brains and minds.

When Credo Mutwa makes the point that you can understand the reptilian-Illuminati bloodlines by studying the behaviour of the reptile and the reptilian brain, he is correct. It will not, as I say, be an exact mirror, of course not, but there are many themes in the behaviour of the Illuminati and the reptile that are very similar. Read what even conventional science says about the reptilian brain and then compare that with the behaviour of the Illuminati.

Love to all,

David Icke, 1998.


Truth, honour, respect, knowledge, awareness, compassion, spirit.

Now if that's not "on topic" regarding Reptilian love and compassion, none of us have eyes in which to see with or a mind attached to those same eyes in which to think clearly with, nor a heart beating inside our chest in which to BALANCE the truth with.

Blessings. Appono Astos!

[measle_weasel]

Anyways, that just makes me think that reptilians have an origin in another dimension. The vastness of those other dimensions spoiled most of their race. They can peak into this world, and decided they use our energy. They lost their love in most of their collective consciousness, while we are more capable of feeling love because we see the simple things and some times things as they are. The Creator intelligence wants spirits that love things for what they are to evolve rather than cause as much chaos as possible through large distances of dimensions (reptilians are actually in a dimension that isn't too far from ours). Someone can argue love is built into the biological responses (selfish gene in families, and intellectual wonder), but I argue that's for illusionary purposes. Behind your body, there is true love that you can access that lets you tear through the superiority-inferiority complex, status showing, urge to control, etc.

Sorry if I missed it, but how and why, did "reptilians" lose their love and/or their ability to give/receive love?

[shenoma]

Well, if something/someone hurts you, forgive it and move on to something else in life. Why choose to hang on hurt? Bad things of been done to me and I choose the higher/harder road of letting go of my pain and still believe in goodness of people and things.

[lordreptoid]

A perfectly well balanced approach. I respect your bravery and balance, shenoma. Wishing you well to be your own very best on this path. :)

"Goodness for goodness sake" (Jon Anderson from Yes and Jon & Vangelis and Tangerine Dream's rare collaboration from Legend "Loved by the sun")

Is your love strong enough?

[johnthejedi24]

A question about reptilians and love. If you read my public profile and go through my previous posts you will find one dealing with my reaction between an encounter between a member here and one Female reptilian. The thing is is the member here was SEVEN YEARS OLD AT THE TIME!:eek:. No matter what the member thinks I would call that a negative experience, wouldn't you? At least in Lordreptoids case he was 13-14 years of age, at that age anything fairly young and female will turn one on, be it a hot blonde or a big lizard(which in some accounts have been called exotic, beautiful looking, better sex than humans,etc.....I will wait until I actually meet/see one to judge), sending telepathic thoughts to your mind.

[fitzroy]

iv'e just found a prayer card to st martha in my house. The front of the card shows st martha slaying a lizard/dragon creature with a cross. was just wondering if anyone could inform me of any background to this? st martha i believe was the "sister" to mary mother of jesus.

[lordreptoid]

Don't get me started on the supposed non-sexuality of anyone under 19 years of age. No one here has ever played "Dr" with their family or friends before I'm sure. Abuse is horrid, yes, I absolutely agree, but to say humans are born non-sexual by "default" is a Freudian denial in the extreme. I won't get graphic here but there's things even babies do that adults do too - and it continues throughout all stages of development. Dr Ruth studied a remote island chain where there's absolutely no sexual fear what so ever, and they are all very healthy and happy families living there - look it up if you doubt her scientific research and public presentations of the facts. All of our sexual neurosis stem from childhood fears and pleasures, just as our joys often do. We danced, laughed, ran around naked and didn't care who saw us doing whatever we wanted, then our parents came along and BEAT US for touchng ourselves when guests were around or just for walking to the bathroom naked sometimes... that kind of trauma has a horrible impact (literally) on a healthy sexual awareness. I suggest that again this is not a black/black situation with any one of us, but a grey area that too few dare discuss without being thought of as "evil" by the fearful and/or phobic. Freud and others have done some great work in sexual studies and the human psyche. Healthy self-awareness should be far more important than fear of what others might do to us or did do (parents, society, etc). Just keep this notion in perspective and think POSITIVE whenever possible. And go watch the movie "Bliss" sometime... listen CAREFULLY to HER words near the end. You may be horrified at the truth of what many Drs have indeed discovered on this subject (that's what inspired the movie about sexual healing).

I won't even get into the effects of highly charged orgone energy with advanced beings and our hypersensitivity to their fields when near them. Sometimes the "sex with aliens" truly is all in our OWN heads. (And yes, *I* actually said this) :)

[octopusrex]

Lord Reptiod, you have a fresh leafy mind on you.

[quetzalcoatl]

:D
Edit: Shenoma, I can't really describe it but every time you post I recognize your energy signature. It's the tense dissociative energy (like that "ckhhahhkkkaaa! ka ka!") that emits from you. Your avatar almost tricked me into thinking I was imagining it. I grounded myself and checked the energy residual again, and it really is. You're either a G2 reptilian sympathizer or a reptilian cohort is in you. But the energy is the strongest of that type that I've sensed on this board, and it just sticks right out at people whenever you make a post. Other people that claim they were draco, like one person, actually felt warm and familiar despite being extraterresterial, and some other member felt he had a smooth aura and was clear headed, but you felt very disruptive. I have sensed you since the first time I read your posts.

Edit edit: No people, I feel this information straight from your username without even trying because everything is energy. I have a certain type of perception advantage over most people.

Hmmm.. Interesting. Tell me more?

What exactly are you sensing tho? Is it someone’s Essences? their being? who/what they really are?? Or is it more their focus/attention & experience? Could it also be possible your senses are being manipulated? :)

[takhisis]

Rep's dont love us they want and have enslaved us , get it through your head they are our enemy , Enemy of humankind! Period , they hate us , and use us as a resource there entire society is built on deceit lies , manipulation they should all be destoryed for what they do and continue to do , i cannot wait until the day we destory every last one of them they are abomoination and should be exteriminated for there pathetic way of life

[lordreptoid]

Rep's dont love us they want and have enslaved us , get it through your head they are our enemy , Enemy of humankind! Period , they hate us , and use us as a resource there entire society is built on deceit lies , manipulation they should all be destoryed for what they do and continue to do , i cannot wait until the day we destory every last one of them they are abomoination and should be exteriminated for there pathetic way of life.

*Pets your nice little Hitler mustache and then gives you a kiss on your forhead and then pets your hair and smiles to you* I forgive and love you, sleeper, it's OK. You'll come around eventually. And by doing this act, since you probably see me as your enemy as a hybrid scaly one, it would seem your logic is flawed after all. Want proof? Remote view me or get a psychic to see how sincere I was when I wrote this message to you before all these witnesses. When you see the love and that not all any race is out to get YOU (believe me, some don't even want to come to Earth with humanity's reputation) remember my words today... I forgive you for you do not yet know the totality of what you speak. When you do, go easy on yourself as I have been on you today.

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quetzalcoatl, nice to see you here. Good words I see also. :) Very nice.

octopusrex, I'm a non-smoker, but thanks just the same. ;) Offer to someone who really needs the mind-opening encounter. Heheheh.

[takhisis]

Humanity's reputation all built , manipulated by reps ;) whatever , reps are the cause of every problem on earth today , the way they have manipulated everyone , banking so dont give me any of that reps love you shit

Ps - I dont care if you forgive me or not and never asked for it

[lordreptoid]

Humanity's reputation all built , manipulated by reps whatever , reps are the cause of every problem on earth today , the way they have manipulated everyone , banking so dont give me any of that reps love you shit

Ps - I dont care if you forgive me or not and never asked for it

Hate filled xenophobe! - Been sharing your names and sentiments with 1000 or so other readers elsewhere, including coast to coast AM radio show hosts, exopolitical researchers and disclosure experts. When we get on the radio again we'll be sure to mention your thoughts and actions and our own professional views on others just like you to the 12 million listening in each night. We all need to know just how some truly speak about others and what's in their hearts. Thanks for making this decision regarding my family's return ever so easy to decide - people like you DO help us make decisions about the future -thank-you for that.

[eshtar]

Me and reptoid right now may have ALOT of differences right now but he does NOT deserve to even be spoken to in that kind of manner takhisis. Nor any of my kind. So you blame an entire species good and bad for what? are you THAT brainwashed? Like alot of others? I reptoid and others who support the species can say the same thing about your human race think of your human history the crusades Witch trials hell puppymills? And you say reptilians are evil? yet you go and abuse animals and what blame that on us to? where does that take you in the end. No matter there could be a mass war later on its from fear based paraniod people like you. Yes this does offend me because I had ENOUGH of that crap. Lord Reptoid keep on fighting as I and others will keep on fighting because this fear based crap has gone too far where racist people like this one will kill a rep hatchling when they see a chance.

[size_of_light]

Me and reptoid right now may have ALOT of differences right now but he does NOT deserve to even be spoken to in that kind of manner takhisis. Nor any of my kind. So you blame an entire species good and bad for what? are you THAT brainwashed? Like alot of others? I reptoid and others who support the species can say the same thing about your human race think of your human history the crusades Witch trials hell puppymills? And you say reptilians are evil? yet you go and abuse animals and what blame that on us to? where does that take you in the end. No matter there could be a mass war later on its from fear based paraniod people like you. Yes this does offend me because I had ENOUGH of that crap. Lord Reptoid keep on fighting as I and others will keep on fighting because this fear based crap has gone too far where racist people like this one will kill a rep hatchling when they see a chance.

Prove to the forum that you're reptilian or stop insulting our intelligence by assuming that we're all so stupid that we wouldn't require proof.

If you can't do that, and/or you don't understand why that might be a fundamental necessity for us, then you deserve nothing but contempt for claiming to represent another species. It's really that simple and no amount of verbal gymnastics can get you around that single issue that you must address as a priority.

And please don't respond with a version of: "I'm not talking to you anymore!" unless you want those words to provide all the proof that's required.

[eshtar]

whats proof going to do? pics can be altered vids can be altered so thats one very very stupid demand. PLUS did I say all humans were stupid no I did not. I am sick of being kicked around like dirt by ones like you who think they darn know everything about reptilians. Lord reptoid is sick of being kicked around like hes dam nothing as well. and I never claimed the whole dam human race was stupid I have human friends. So your all against the reptilian race why are you STILL Blaming ALL reptilians when most of your race can do things far worse. you think you know everything look into your dam history. And by the way who ever you are I really do not care what you think I am.

[size_of_light]

whats proof going to do? pics can be altered vids can be altered so thats one very very stupid demand.

Pics and vids will be fine. Don't worry if we think they're altered. Got any? A few snapshots of you in full reptilian mode will shut me up in an instant. Since you didn't invoke the 'reptilian taboo clause' whereby it's forbidden to show yourselves to humanity, it's too late to invoke it now or later. Photos please. We're all waiting...


PLUS did I say all humans were stupid no I did not. I am sick of being kicked around like dirt by ones like you who think they darn know everything about reptilians. Lord reptoid is sick of being kicked around like hes dam nothing as well. and I never claimed the whole dam human race was stupid I have human friends. So your all against the reptilian race why are you STILL Blaming ALL reptilians when most of your race can do things far worse. you think you know everything look into your dam history. And by the way who ever you are I really do not care what you think I am.

Still waiting.

[eshtar]

look no I don't so weather you beleive me or not I DON'T care. You think I'll be that stupid to just show to someone my full body? I have a human form to you know. I am not going to just show myself to people I don't even know and defeintly NOT in public. So go on and insult me because that just prooves that your the one not accepting others for who they are.

[eshtar]

o yes and by the way I demand you prove to me your human and I'll see if I beleive you. (now how do you feel)

[size_of_light]

look no I don't so weather you beleive me or not I DON'T care. You think I'll be that stupid to just show to someone my full body? I have a human form to you know. I am not going to just show myself to people I don't even know and defeintly NOT in public. So go on and insult me because that just prooves that your the one not accepting others for who they are.

Look, I'm not trying to insult you. I'm just tired of people who enjoy fantasising at other people's expense.

Why don't you think about rejoining the forum as yourself?

We're a nice bunch, us fellow humans. :)

[eshtar]

hmm maybe because I am being myself? ever think of that? It is not some fantacy to be played with. So yes you are insulting me try saying that to other non human starseeds.

[size_of_light]

hmm maybe because I am being myself? ever think of that? It is not some fantacy to be played with. So yes you are insulting me try saying that to other non human starseeds.

Well, your kind don't seem to be shy about insulting us.

Why should we even consider being respectful to you when you and your kind on this forum only denigrate and mock us as inferior to you for the way we behave, and at the very same time behave exactly the same way towards us?

Do you guys lack irony glands and humour receptors over there in whatever quadrant of the galaxy you came from?

If so, I really think you should head back over that way. You're all very tedious to us.

Or...chill out, be nicer, stop being so fucking arrogant and condescending to us dumb monkeys and stop telling us why we're so 'wrong', when you yourselves seem to have no comprehension of what it means to be 'right'.

[eshtar]

oo for peeps sakes I was only defending my kidn from fearmongers like that person who blames all reps for wrongs that a few made is that right? did I ever degrade the WHOLE human race no I did NOT. Where am I insulting ALL humans? I am trying to be nice but how can I when you keep insulting back. Now agree to disagree please because I told you before I had enough of this crap.

[size_of_light]

oo for peeps sakes I was only defending my kidn from fearmongers like that person who blames all reps for wrongs that a few made is that right? did I ever degrade the WHOLE human race no I did NOT. Where am I insulting ALL humans? I am trying to be nice but how can I when you keep insulting back. Now agree to disagree please because I told you before I had enough of this crap.

I agree to disagree.

[eshtar]

Thank you. We may not share the same veiws and think the same, I am not trying to insult you. Like I said I have friends who are human and I adore them alot. I have a human form to and a rep form. Right now I have to have a human form I have a job (low paying job) I have a family ect.. I am NOT forcing anyone to agree with me. I just cannot stand people who blame an entire race be they human, grey, Pleadian it don't matter. So thanks for just agreeing to disagree.

[size_of_light]

Thank you. We may not share the same veiws and think the same, I am not trying to insult you. Like I said I have friends who are human and I adore them alot. I have a human form to and a rep form. Right now I have to have a human form I have a job (low paying job) I have a family ect.. I am NOT forcing anyone to agree with me. I just cannot stand people who blame an entire race be they human, grey, Pleadian it don't matter. So thanks for just agreeing to disagree.

You're welcome.

[diky]

whats proof going to do? pics can be altered vids can be altered so thats one very very stupid demand. PLUS did I say all humans were stupid no I did not. I am sick of being kicked around like dirt by ones like you who think they darn know everything about reptilians. Lord reptoid is sick of being kicked around like hes dam nothing as well. and I never claimed the whole dam human race was stupid I have human friends. So your all against the reptilian race why are you STILL Blaming ALL reptilians when most of your race can do things far worse. you think you know everything look into your dam history. And by the way who ever you are I really do not care what you think I am.

clearly you are talking utter bollocks

[shenoma]

This was about love, let's make love (sex), ok.

[size_of_light]

This was about love, let's make love (sex), ok.

Your place or mine? ;)

[takhisis]

Thank you. We may not share the same veiws and think the same, I am not trying to insult you. Like I said I have friends who are human and I adore them alot. I have a human form to and a rep form. Right now I have to have a human form I have a job (low paying job) I have a family ect.. I am NOT forcing anyone to agree with me. I just cannot stand people who blame an entire race be they human, grey, Pleadian it don't matter. So thanks for just agreeing to disagree.

Throughtout history reps have manipulated our leaders , enslaved our race no i dont hate you or your kind , I am pissed, thing is human kind doesnt want you here go back to Orion, but no i dont hate you or your kind , just want your influance and morals to leave us be , specially when your race wishes to do nothing but manipulate ,supress and control us, that is not love

[eshtar]

ook one I am not from Orian and 2 I do not go around doing what you claim ALL reptilians do. I acualy do NOT agree with the bad apples that do what you claim they do. we all have FREE WILL. so you claim you don't hate yet your saying what you are?

[diky]

so who actually believes there are reptillians that post on the David Icke forum??:confused: or is this some sort of role-play/compulsive lying

[takhisis]

ook one I am not from Orian and 2 I do not go around doing what you claim ALL reptilians do. I acualy do NOT agree with the bad apples that do what you claim they do. we all have FREE WILL. so you claim you don't hate yet your saying what you are?

I never claimed anything in fact you did Labeled me something i am not in a previous post , And i have free will to NOT Like creatures that enslave humans , and manipulate our world

[eshtar]

sorry but how many times am I saying now not ALL are even doing that. maybe you should acualy get to know a being then to say o I don't like you because your bad apples do what they do even though you could be a good person. *sighs but hey not worth trying to convince you on that.

[pinkfreud]

oooo sol, you little piece of sh*t :D



hey shenoma,

i know this thread's all about love, but when you're faced with their hostility when certain questions are asked, i think it's only fair to raise a few points. i've been intending to do so myself after seeing reptoid's and eshtar's posts.

one common objection often raised by those claiming to be reptilians, is that a significant population within the human race is close minded, xenophobic, and judgmental. i don't refute that; what i have a problem with, is i have read a couple of lord reptoid's posts today, which look like this: (please bear with me, because i'll have to break it down, post by post to make a point here)


(this is from the now closed 'reptilians'- who resembles one' thread)


size of light: Instead of mocking us, why not give us something of value and post evidence that the species you claim to represent actually exists?

Let me guess, you're forbidden to do so because of...etc...etc...zzzzzzzz....

lordreptoid: WOW, passive-aggression from a total stranger who's never met me before and his mind is already completely closed up and he's already thrown monkey-poop at me. Impressive... so advanced... surely you'd make a great alpha male leader of your people to inspire such continued positivity into your growing non-xenophobic culture pre-global contact in peaceful mutual co-habitation.

See, here's how this goes... YOU demonstrate high honour and respect and you MAY be able to attract that same kindness and courtesy into your life... but all you've done so far is throw your "past issues" at me with personal attacks. Not wise at all. Most disapointing.

My choice, and it's always my choice in a free will multiverse, just like yours (clearly), is to no longer engage you at all after this reply because somehow I think it'll take more than some internet chatter to awaken you to the bigger picture here, even if I (chuckles) partly agree with your sentiment...


...and so on....



in response to another of sol's posts, reptoid's closing sentence in post #568 on that same thread was:

"Size of light, we're done, it's that simple. *waves* I have others who are far more respectful and clean spoken who deserve my valuable time and compassion - they've earned it :)"




now on the same thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5509&page=29, lord reptoid pasted material from another source (without acknowledgement or mention of the same), which was then spotted by thelyran. he did point it out, after which reptoid went into a tirade (also whining about bad grammar, when he had made one himself; misspelling the word 'apology' here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50573&page=2 in post #24)

his response to thelyran's comment is post # 570. please read it for yourself because it's lengthy.


...after which the convo went like this:

pinkfreud: oh reptoid... stop beating around the bush and have the decency to admit you did plagiarise content, like thelyran found out.

i don't give a fig if you're a reptoid, orion or sirian. because that does not make you superior. if you've read the matrix series you'll know what i'm talking about.

(and sol's post too)

lordreptoid: Uncalled for personal attacks against the TOS of this website I'm sure. Am I allowed to respond to their attacks and have fair representation at least? Site owners and moderators may judge accordingly who's attacking whom here and show the rest of the readers their honour and right from wrong, if they should so chose.

Is this any way for posters to speak about other posters? "these reptilian fuckers. I really think we can take 'em." I think humans are showing their true colours here as usual - fear is such an addiction and hard habit to break for many.

__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________


i think it's high time for both eshtar and lordreptoid to know a couple of things:

1. firstly, our reservations and questions as to whether who you'll are really who you'll claim to be is not unfounded. neither is it meant to insult/offend anybody. i think it's fair and rational, because after all this forum is visited by many, and we are all sitting behind those screens, typing fervently on our keyboards. we don't know each other personally, we don't know who's lying and who's not- and let's face it, 'conspiracy' sites do attract a lot of individuals who take advantage of the members' open-mindedness and tolerance.

no one is pointing fingers, but when lord reptoid states or claims that he is a hybrid, has scales etc., i'm sure the least he can do is give us something concrete here. and the same goes with eshtar. and as for that rather silly statement- 'can you prove you're human?' well, of course we can- you're after all living on a planet where the populace IS mostly human.

so i still ask- evidence please?



2. i think it is highly hypocritical of reptoid to call a poster a xenophobe, or slap a label on those who do not believe him on every point he makes; i see that people who question him or disagree with him are given the very same treatment he often looks down upon as a trait of dumbed down humans; if you do believe in love, tolerance and understanding- live by it. please practice what you preach. don't be temperamental just because some members are angry with the 'negative' energies most reptilians have brought about on earth.

yeah i know, it's the dracos that are lowering the vibrational frequencies of human beings; i also know that there are kind, loving reptilians.

but i'm sorry to say, your posts simply do not reflect an attitude of peace and a mature understanding of human emotions. again, i will say this:

-you still have not admitted to plagiarising content; after which thelyran simply pointed it out, and you went off on how you're not 'allowed to voice yourself'.

i'm saying this very politely- please, cut the crap and just admit it. it's not a big deal when you copy paste stuff, but it's bigger when you choose to evade the matter at large.

-just because someone disagrees with you, or does not conform to your thought process, does not mean they are intolerant. that's sheer narrow mindedness, and a refusal to acknowledge other people's point of view.



3. having said all that, i do agree everyone needs to stop pigeonholing one another; whether it's the 'bad' reptilians, the 'stupid' humans, the 'brainwashed' muslims... it doesn't really tie in with the notion of love does it? for that matter, i have noticed that reptoid and eshtar have more or less made condescending remarks about the posters here. it doesn't work that way; if you want to be respected and loved, you need to love and respect too.


and lastly,


4. no race is superior to another. i've said it before, and i'll say it again. human beings are in fact, capable of a whole lot of love- something that may not be as developed in other races (say the matrix volumes). but that doesn't take away from the fact that reppies can't love either; i'm sure they do, they're spiritually inclined if they wish to be (unlike the dracos) and so are the orions + sirians.
also, making statements like 'I have others who are far more respectful and clean spoken who deserve my valuable time and compassion - they've earned it' simply smacks of an ego boost. firstly, i'm sure we can do without 'earning' respect by merely taking every word you say as gospel truth. it's very healthy to disagree and debate, and 'accepting' those who only agree with you makes me think YOU have a lot of learning to do as well, along with the rest of us.



that's what i wanted to say, and i hope my post is not misunderstood; co-operation and understanding- works both ways. you can't expect that from us, if you fail to practice it yourself.


peace and much love ;)

pf.


p.s: i personally will have my doubts about the veracity of both your 'we are reptilians' claims- till we are shown some proof. any denial of such will not help us believe you. we are not stupid. period.




edit:
so who actually believes there are reptillians that post on the David Icke forum??:confused: or is this some sort of role-play/compulsive lying

sadly, i veer towards the latter; i do know there's one reptilian member here who is genuine; as for lordreptoid- i hope he understands that asking for evidence is not a ploy to insult him.

eshtar- sorry bud, but nope. your arguments as to why you shouldn't support your claims with proof (which isn't much to ask, really) are weak, to put it mildly.

and i also wonder what lordreptoid would make of your grammatical errors, since it does irk him no?

[takhisis]

sorry but how many times am I saying now not ALL are even doing that. maybe you should acualy get to know a being then to say o I don't like you because your bad apples do what they do even though you could be a good person. *sighs but hey not worth trying to convince you on that.

How can i get to know that being when there deceptive , hiding from us ?
Respect is earned as well as trust, how would you feel in human's shoes if humans mind contolled your masses , manipulated your life , culture , wars , bled your planet dry ,ate your babies. Maybe you should get to know why humans react the way they do , before you label us all as hate mongers

[eshtar]

I really do not care personaly if my typing irks people I type how I type. As for evidence why should I? I told you before I am not stupid enough to go show someone my human and other form. I don't know who is out there and it's NOT O I am not allowed to do so bit. I am not trying to attack people I wish this whole claim of attacking would just stop. Maybe I should not have come here after all because it appears some still like to kick around others while others here are good people. And yes we ALL live on this earth but what ever happened to we are ALL connected.

[johnthejedi24]

Reptoidlord/Eshtar. I no longer believe you both are 12 foot lizards from another dimension with an ego and attitude problem. You are HUMANS with an ego/attitude problem claiming to be 12 foot lizards from another dimension. There may be some REAL ones somewhere on this board but I have not met any yet. Look, I think that you are both cool and are probably outstanding members of society and your COHRA website is the right idea, but please.....cut the shit.:confused:

If you both are 12 foot lizards from another dimension, your posting history seems to support the idea that many Reptilians have a HUGE ego and even if some of you are supporting/will support humanity in these times of need, you don't always think that highly of us and that may get in the way of helping us out with our shit. Not that I always think you SHOULD help us out....were a fucked up species as it is, but this era is just another stage in our development to being better people.

[takhisis]

Reptoidlord/Eshtar. I no longer believe you both are 12 foot lizards from another dimension with an ego and attitude problem. You are HUMANS with an ego/attitude problem claiming to be 12 foot lizards from another dimension. There may be some REAL ones somewhere on this board but I have not met any yet. Look, I think that you are both cool and are probably outstanding members of society and your COHRA website is the right idea, but please.....cut the shit.:confused:

i'd have to agree :) in fact i am not even sure if they exist at all , but i have a theory myself if they do exist : we are there creators , from our negative thoughts , since i do have a feeling like a knowing that humankind is God we create reality from our thoughts collectively, relegion is just a form of control imo

[measle_weasel]

i'd have to agree :) in fact i am not even sure if they exist at all , but i have a theory myself if they do exist : we are there creators , from our negative thoughts , since i do have a feeling like a knowing that humankind is God we create reality from our thoughts collectively, relegion is just a form of control imo

Humanity is God... lol. Talk about ego.

[eshtar]

omg I am not even that tall for one thing I am only 5'2" and 2 you can beleive all you want about us. you can think we are human, hybrid, other what ever floats your boat but like many are saying to us, though I never even tried to attack anyone, don't go insulting us saying your right the rest are wrong. because then tell that to the Otherkin communies, tell that to the Indigo and starseed communities. I am not pretending, lying how ever you want to put it. but I am not forcing you to beleive different eather but please don't go insulting others for their beleifs. saying cut the shit this and that is really kind of insulting. this part of the forums is about reptilian discussions can not starseeds and other beings take part in it to without fear of being flamed and bashed? yes some here are rude but not all. I wanted to come here and at least explain with being me about how reps are not all satanic baby eating beings yet I am bashed for my own beleifs? I never went and insulted ALL humans yet I am kicked around like dirt and treated like shit. thats NOT what this forum is about. is everyone here bashed for their own beleifs even hinting they may be Other gets them bashed. Not everyone here does it, but so far alot have. so you think I am attacking you? think of how I feel about getting bashed kicked and pushed around. Think of how others feel. Lord Reptoid tried and still is working his tail off to say the truth yet now he is getting bashed to? he attacked back because what else can you do? this forum is not for bashing and flame wars. I made some good friends here like Rhydra and few others and I am hoping to acualy make more. But I don't want to get bashed, kicked, beat, and punched for what I and others beleive in. This is a deeply spiritual thing to me I love the Goddess and what she has done in my life I love the earth does that make me evil? and I never said I even reached 12 feet tall (though I wish I was that tall because I hate being short) just please stop this bashing.

[konnster]

the elite ruling families (Illuminati) have a different agenda then the full blooded reptiles I think.

But seriously reptilians enjoy to torture humans, divide and rule them... I dont think most people enjoy torturing animals.

[johnthejedi24]

Takahisis, I do not agree with you AT ALL. You have a huge ego also, thinking that humanity is god. There is no god as we know him/her/it in the religious sense. I don't think that all the Reptilians are out to get us, only some of the the Elite white scaled Draco faction. Don't be such a Xenophobic fear mongering hatist.

[eshtar]

umm I don't enjoy anything like that never did. And if some humans did not enjoy torturing animals then why do they still do it? What about puppy mills ect? I espessaly looove and ador cats and no not to torture and eat the cute little fur balls. I agree that alot of the Elite most likely do this things but does that make us ALL evil. And weather you beleive I am a rep or not, I am a rep thats in the middle class that is trying to get by in life. I am NOT a 12 foot tall lizard even in that form I'm not that big I am still the same height. I am short and hate it. And if I loved to torture animals, then well I guess time to get rid of our little cute dog Lady then.

[eshtar]

umm I do not beleive ALL the white Draco are involved eather. there is good and bad in every race. Yes some are involved in these horrific events but so are some humans as well. (Like I said I do not claim ALL humans are the same)

[takhisis]

Takahisis, I do not agree with you AT ALL. You have a huge ego also, thinking that humanity is god. There is no god as we know him/her/it in the religious sense. I don't think that all the Reptilians are out to get us, only some of the the Elite white scaled Draco faction. Don't be such a Xenophobic fear mongering hatist.

ok well beleve what you want , my open mind doesnt make me have a huge ego i am not here bashing you like you bashed me calling me a hatist cause of my viewpoints like i said i dont hate , But i do hate the Fact my race has been controlled and enslaved by the reps, if your to blind to see it, and yes WE are collectivelly the god we all are seeking ! we created everything with our thoughts do some research

[measle_weasel]

ok well beleve what you want , my open mind doesnt make me have a huge ego i am not here bashing you like you bashed me calling me a hatist cause of my viewpoints like i said i dont hate , But i do hate the Fact my race has been controlled and enslaved by the reps, if your to blind to see it, and yes WE are collectivelly the god we all are seeking ! we created everything with our thoughts do some research

How do you know for certain? Where is the evidence?

[eshtar]

(Measle your AV pic is sooo cute btw) as Measle said where is the proof that all reps do these things? did ALL humans create how this world is now? If they created everything with their thoughts then maybe humans can create peace in this world to? Peace, Unity, Love, Tolerance, Patients, Trust, and more? if this can be done sooo fast then please do it. Get rid of the hate, fear, war, abuse and much more that goes on in this world for reps, humans, and Other beings even Greys.

[darryl84]

Since so many people on here, either hate or just being blind about the reppies, I just wanted to share some info. They do love and very passionately do it for a lifetime, if they so choose. They can care about each other and protect each other until death.

Sex for each species is unique and speical, the body feels differently then the next one. How they express themselves is also special and should not be judge by human standards. Just because is different, does not mean they do not breed and love their mates. Their culture is built and functions on different thoughts and reasons from what humans might understood when we use such terms.

Yes, from the point of veiw of humans, the choices they have made could be called evil, but what about our own collective history? Maybe, we should not be so quick to judge, that is so particular, without, first coming to the most basic understanding of our cousins.


How do you know this?

If reptilians exist, which i lean towards, i would agree that there is compassion from that species, although i believe that for most of them the amount is very little, but there maybe more from others.

[lordreptoid]

so who actually believes there are reptillians that post on the David Icke forum?? or is this some sort of role-play/compulsive lying

Read my website. ;) Spy on me, "dig deeper", interview my friends and former sex partners, and LEARN! - For God's sake don't take only my word for it... and if you want, come meet me in person and pet my scales... many have, and some have run off never to answer my phone calls again.. but that's FEAR for you. LOL

"Oh my God... they are like little diamonds! Wholly ****!" (after scratching/shedding a few off into the palm of his hand)

Still, if you get off on doubting more than facts, by all means, doubt away. :)

[measle_weasel]

Thanks Esh!

[lordreptoid]

Ummmm... She is NOT me in the sense you are portraying in text form here, John the JEDI! ;) A Jedi master huh? Aweesome... so you know how to speak in public with honour and grace as their "official religion" states. I have their code of conduct right here. I know a few who also call themselves "Jedi" as you do. Did I get that right? Or are you more into that Star Wars movie trillogy? (Don't get me started on the three follow-ups... hmmm... questionable "blending" of prequil matter into a former reality) But I digress... Eshtar is her OWN being with her OWN history and soul path, oh, and genetics of course. :) I am me. I shall keep this simple and "down to Earth" and not enter the new age fluffy talk here on this point as that'll just confuse everyone far too easily.

In quantum science there are many dimensions of physical reality... this is why in your famous, to coin a phrase, "UFO sightings" they can "vanish" and "rematerialize" and so forth. They are not really "vanishing" at all, they are still there just out of your limited human degrees of perception. If you judged me as the body you "see" before you and NOTHING ELSE then you'd also judge others by the car they drive and not the body/soul INSIDE these "vehicles". Do you see now? It's so very simple once one opens their mind a tad. Science is a most fascinating subject that few can keep up with at times, so I don't mind re-explaining these things sometimes because it's fun to share.

Does anyone need more time to really ponder that or shall I jump right into light creating matter and will power of the spirit manifesting DNA as both creation and "evolution" and when souls separate they encounter their "other selves" and then DNA folding into hybrid "interventionism" through "alien contact" and so on throughour space-time? Believe me, I don't share everything at once or I'm afraid the bandwidth of more than just the DI forum would crash. :D

If anyone else has any quantum mechanics questions or hyperdimensional space-time threads they'd like to start up with a chimera hybrid soul such as I, be my guest - you all know how to approach in peace and ask with sincerity so that I will respond to your questions. Don't feel you have to at all though, just enjoy the ride whatever you will choses as I do the very same and do as I wish also.

Peace.


Reptoidlord/Eshtar. I no longer believe you both are 12 foot lizards from another dimension with an ego and attitude problem. You are HUMANS with an ego/attitude problem claiming to be 12 foot lizards from another dimension. There may be some REAL ones somewhere on this board but I have not met any yet. Look, I think that you are both cool and are probably outstanding members of society and your COHRA website is the right idea, but please.....cut the shit.

If you both are 12 foot lizards from another dimension, your posting history seems to support the idea that many Reptilians have a HUGE ego and even if some of you are supporting/will support humanity in these times of need, you don't always think that highly of us and that may get in the way of helping us out with our shit. Not that I always think you SHOULD help us out....were a fucked up species as it is, but this era is just another stage in our development to being better people.

[lordreptoid]

But seriously reptilians enjoy to torture humans, divide and rule them... I dont think most people enjoy torturing animals.

Ever been to a human/animal slaughter house? Do you eat meat/death? Hunt for sport? Do you rescue animals from abusive "owners" and nurse them back to health? Are you a vegetarian? Humans have different views on how to treat other creatures, yet they STILL ASSume that all reptoids are "meat eaters" or "death machines". It's absolutely amazing how many forget David Icke's OWN WORDS... and so very pitiful.

Shall anyone dare to look upon the actual statistical numbers of meat-eating humans to vegetarians? Ahhh, but the few brave shall make this connection/comparison and actually "get it". As above, so below, mammals. I can only do so much for any of you - karma's a bitch. Enjoy.

[takhisis]

How do you know for certain? Where is the evidence?

i dont know for certain , but inside yourself sometimes you have a gut feeling or instinct to whats right and wrong, but whos to say the bible a book from 10000+ years ago is right ? i mean what proof is there any of that but a book could of been a fairy tale , or like nassim Haramein thinks of the old testiment of a description of anicent technology" actually the reptalian story is more beleveable then the Anicent bible and relegions of the world imo

As for Human/Animal thing , ethier way you look at both does not make any of it morally right, Rep's do the same to human as Humans do to animals , unfortunatly thats the truth,does it make it right no, but as a Advanced race as the reps beleve they are they should deffenatly know better that it is wrong , and a infringement on our free will as humans

[lordreptoid]

I have to say, Eshtar... it is very nice to read your strong determination throughout this thread to show them the other side of the coin, so to speak. Keep holding that mirror up to your attackers and let them punch themselves as often as they like... perhaps it's their nature after all and maybe they really like it. :) Well done. Doing your very best is all anyone can do - give them time to mature... barring their new paradign shift there's little else that can ever reach them, and 2012 is moments away. I truly with them luck when their own fears manifest INSTANTLY and forever more outside of time. Man, that's not going to be much fun for them living inside their own created and respective Hells unable to se outside their "universes", like many dead people before them, wandering psychoticly depressed ranting ghosts experiencing their own reality as their free will dictates, to which GOd always replies "YES! Of course you may have what you will/create, because I love you."

[measle_weasel]

i dont know for certain , but inside yourself sometimes you have a gut feeling or instinct to whats right and wrong, but whos to say the bible a book from 10000+ years ago is right ? i mean what proof is there any of that but a book could of been a fairy tale , or like nassim Haramein thinks of the old testiment of a description of anicent technology" actually the reptalian story is more beleveable then the Anicent bible and relegions of the world imo

You are correct. No one can know anything with absolute certainty, with the exception of that rule itself. As long as you are not impinging on anyone elses free will, believe what you want, and be what you want, regardless of whatever anyone else says you are, where you are going, or what you should be.

The world would be such a better place if people stopped trying to force their beliefs on others. That goes for ALL people, including those of the new-age, dare I say, religion.

[eshtar]

and I won't stop until at least some understand that side of the coin. I am not attacking all humans nor am I degrading all humans. Like I said, I have some humans friends to. This paranioa and fear needs to stop because to blame and entire race no matter w3hat form, is wrong.

[takhisis]

(Measle your AV pic is sooo cute btw) as Measle said where is the proof that all reps do these things? did ALL humans create how this world is now? If they created everything with their thoughts then maybe humans can create peace in this world to? Peace, Unity, Love, Tolerance, Patients, Trust, and more? if this can be done sooo fast then please do it. Get rid of the hate, fear, war, abuse and much more that goes on in this world for reps, humans, and Other beings even Greys.

Kind of funny how you say that on the icke forum , which icke himself clearly states that Rep's are controlling humans manipulating maybe just maybe if your kind stopped interfering with us , (infringment on human free will when you control us btw) , we could have peace

[eshtar]

read his WORDS again then because he clearly states that NOT all reptilians are doing this that only a specific group of reps are involved. He NEVER said the whole entire race. And thanks again Lord reptoid for your words. I do have a strong motivation then I did some time ago.

[lordreptoid]

*A noble nod to Eshtar* She is different than I yet we agree that xenophobia (fear of other races in general) is a sickness, a "phobia", a needless fear, and MUST be countered with love, compassion and TRUTHSEEKING, not echoing/parroting the fears of others like some mob mentality. That's what we're both in total agreement with and obviously many others on this DI forum. I, just like David Icke, cannot repeat the facts enough it seems and those who are highly addicted to fear will forever be in their black/black one sided flat Earth reality and that's that for them. Perhaps we should simply have a mutual consensus and as a group of liberal, open-minded, free-thinking individuals who KNOW that thre's many aspects to this entire paradigm (not ONE) and al agree to place on "Ignore" these fearmonger nay-sayers and be done with responding to them what so ever, because they really are wasting everyone's time. They are playing the role of "lowest common DOMINATOR" by having us constantly repeat positive things to them and clearly it's not going to help them at all, so perhaps we'd best leave them to it and let them drown in their own darkness.... Or is that "too cruel" of us? I'm tired of years of speaking about my honest to goodness encounters and collecting so many of us togther in peace just to let some fearmongers get all out energy and SIPHON off us with their games, increasing our respective frustrations. When I first spoke up there was no "internet" and now thanks to copy-paste style "reporting and investigations" it's literally ruined any serious research into all kinds of formerly very serious phenomena. All the best researchers never rely on 2 books and several internet blogs in order to become a biased asshole to everyone they happen to disagree with. So I honestly think it's best we have an all out "Ignore fest" on any fearmongers as we wish and refuse them any more attention what so ever. Let them scream and yell like children all they want and let the moderators handle them by banning them from all forums or whatever they chose to do - IE: Let them hang themselves and all we need to do is provide them with enough rope. ;) (Ignoring them completely all the while posting to our heart's content about serious evidence and stories on each thread accordingly... like this one... REPTILIAN LOVE) Who's with me? Don't reply, just get that Ignore option working in solidarity for peace here and everywhere.

If you can't decide, perhaps this model can assist: If any poster becomes personal: "You're just a stupid blah blah" (Control pannel / Ignore member) "You clearly know nothing about blah blah" (Control pannel / Ignore member) "You are a mind controlled blah blah" (Control pannel / Ignore member) ...and other such words/actions that allign with "Ugly, hate, fear..." and all things related that are thrown at you as an individual rather than at your presented data itself. :)

[measle_weasel]

Kind of funny how you say that on the icke forum , which icke himself clearly states that Rep's are controlling humans manipulating maybe just maybe if your kind stopped interfering with us , (infringment on human free will when you control us btw) , we could have peace

1: David Icke is not the voice of objective reason and knowledge.

2: These "reptilians" are said to be controling things from the shadows, or from mostly the astral, or another dimension that is adjacent to this one. They are also considered to be evil, and said to be able to take control of a human mind. The thing is though, evil will not take root in an environment that is not conducive to its growth. It would be utterly futile to do so, and even harmful to the evil entity. Those humans who have been "taken over", are not, and probably were never, of the saint-like variety. Those humans were well on there way with evil intent as it stood, without the assistance of so called reptilians.

Does a water lily grow in the sands of a desert? Not that I have seen. Nor does evil grow in a heart that has chosen to tend towards good.

Saying that without "reptilians" there would be utopia, is unlikely, to say the least. A paradigm shift needs to occur in humans, where service to others takes precedance over service to self, if even by just a sliver. THEN there will be peace on Earth.

[eshtar]

I'll stand by you and will till the end (though I dought that will come along) and guide and teach as I have been. I am one hell of a determined draco. And I don't care if thats beleived or not beleived it will not hinder what i am doing. And I know it will not hinder you eather. And thanks measle *smiles*

[lordreptoid]

Well said measle_weasel. :) (Still admiring your weasle photo)

[eshtar]

lol yup aint it cuuuuute? I love it myself.

[measle_weasel]

*A noble nod to Eshtar* She is different than I yet we agree that xenophobia (fear of other races in general) is a sickness, a "phobia", a needless fear, and MUST be countered with love, compassion and TRUTHSEEKING, not echoing/parroting the fears of others like some mob mentality. That's what we're both in total agreement with and obviously many others on this DI forum. I, just like David Icke, cannot repeat the facts enough it seems and those who are highly addicted to fear will forever be in their black/black one sided flat Earth reality and that's that for them. Perhaps we should simply have a mutual consensus and as a group of liberal, open-minded, free-thinking individuals who KNOW that thre's many aspects to this entire paradigm (not ONE) and al agree to place on "Ignore" these fearmonger nay-sayers and be done with responding to them what so ever, because they really are wasting everyone's time. They are playing the role of "lowest common DOMINATOR" by having us constantly repeat positive things to them and clearly it's not going to help them at all, so perhaps we'd best leave them to it and let them drown in their own darkness.... Or is that "too cruel" of us? I'm tired of years of speaking about my honest to goodness encounters and collecting so many of us togther in peace just to let some fearmongers get all out energy and SIPHON off us with their games, increasing our respective frustrations. When I first spoke up there was no "internet" and now thanks to copy-paste style "reporting and investigations" it's literally ruined any serious research into all kinds of formerly very serious phenomena. All the best researchers never rely on 2 books and several internet blogs in order to become a biased asshole to everyone they happen to disagree with. So I honestly think it's best we have an all out "Ignore fest" on any fearmongers as we wish and refuse them any more attention what so ever. Let them scream and yell like children all they want and let the moderators handle them by banning them from all forums or whatever they chose to do - IE: Let them hang themselves and all we need to do is provide them with enough rope. ;) (Ignoring them completely all the while posting to our heart's content about serious evidence and stories on each thread accordingly... like this one... REPTILIAN LOVE) Who's with me? Don't reply, just get that Ignore option working in solidarity for peace here and everywhere.

If you can't decide, perhaps this model can assist: If any poster becomes personal: "You're just a stupid blah blah" (Control pannel / Ignore member) "You clearly know nothing about blah blah" (Control pannel / Ignore member) "You are a mind controlled blah blah" (Control pannel / Ignore member) ...and other such words/actions that allign with "Ugly, hate, fear..." and all things related that are thrown at you as an individual rather than at your presented data itself. :)

It is important that all sides of an argument be presented and recognized, so that a persons relative position in a debate can be identified, and not forgotten over time. Shutting out other people who disagree with a certain mindset, would be like throwing out the second and third reference points when trying to triangulate a position in the woods.

ed- The point being, it is good to have other points of view, if only to continually remember where you yourself stand.

[lordreptoid]

It is important that all sides of an argument be presented and recognized, so that a persons relative position in a debate can be identified, and not forgotten over time. Shutting out other people who disagree with a certain mindset, would be like throwing out the second and third reference points when trying to triangulate a position in the woods.

A good point, but I no longer navagate the multiverse based on the fears of others as a reference point. I suggest others use positivity as their guide also instead.

[kingmob]

how did this thread get 10 pages of replies?:eek:

[measle_weasel]

Well said measle_weasel. :) (Still admiring your weasle photo)

Lol, thanks! I am adorable, arent I? ;)

[eshtar]

awww yes you are. *gives wittle weasle a pet on his head*

[measle_weasel]

how did this thread get 10 pages of replies?:eek:

Only page 3 for me.

Dont people know they can expand the size of a page in their user controls? I cant stand 10 post page sizes.

[eshtar]

lol I like it just the way it is. I am used to the whole alot of pages thing.

[siphon880di]

You know, it doesn't matter if you're a reptilian starseed or have a reptilian soul, you are still human. If G2 (assuming that there's even multiple fractions of good and bad reptiles on earth...) wages war everywhere, they will treat you all the same.

You have human attitudes, beliefs, feelings, thought patterns, and nothing more. There might be some psychic perception, but who doesn't have it.

You're not helping people by spreading the "reptilian love" because right now right here the reptilians in control are bad. That's the problem we need to focus on.

[rhydra]

Humans have this responsibility transference thing where they blame someone or something else for their actions, society, education, social situation, Reptilians. A being which is responsible for it's destiny and is capable of acknowledging it's own mistakes and faults is capable of self determination. To be capable of acknowledging faults and that those faults stem from the individual rather than outside forces prevents endless repetitions of mistakes and flawed behaviour. Beings which are not capable of self determination are put behind barriers to keep them safe, in one place and easily access able for maintenance and collection. Humans need to be able to move beyond the barriers of their own making to truly become sentient.

[eshtar]

what you DON"T get is reptilians do have FEELINGS and emotions. Look at the corc and her hatchlings in nature and a species of snake who protects her eggs and when they hatch. Thats called Compassion. So your saying only humans and humaniods have feelings and no reptilian does? That is very wrong. (not you Rhyrdra lol this post was made after you posted lol)

[merlincove]

what you DON"T get is reptilians do have FEELINGS and emotions. Look at the corc and her hatchlings in nature and a species of snake who protects her eggs and when they hatch. Thats called Compassion. So your saying only humans and humaniods have feelings and no reptilian does? That is very wrong. (not you Rhyrdra lol this post was made after you posted lol)

i thought that reptlies (snakes / crocs etc) nurtured their young for a sole reason of propergation of species? admitedly i find the whole croc thing pretty amazing, that they look after their young so well and even create cheche's for the hatchlings.

i posted on another thread someplace, comparing reptiles with reptilians is like comparing simians / apes with humans. There is a core base genetic thing going on, but the similarity between the base genetic make up and the evolution of species is so wide you could drop the atlantic into the rift between where a species began and where it has evolved to?

correct me if i am wrong.

i'm seeing a different side to this now, reptilian starseeds - i will think on that one. i see the earth as a melting pot of physically conscious energies from all over the universe, that this small blue planet is home to many cultures from the stars - just like england is home to celts, anglo saxons, picts, romans, vikings etc, the world is home to sirians, plaideans, orions, etc. But we are all, essentially earthlings.

All species with a consciousness of awareness of life and death will have to face a progression through ego, reptilians and humans alike. Ego is our biggest enemy, fu(k the nwo, the illuminati and all that, our ego is our downfall, no matter which species we feel that we belong to.

And within each species we will have the evilness of individuals to balance the equation with the love of beautiful people. For every Hitler there will be a Christ, for every Bush their will be a Ghandi. Each species, rep and human will hyave their good and bad apples and we should not condemn the entirety of being for the actions of a minority.

Are all American's stupid bungling war crazes idiots like bush? Of course they are not.

Are all reptilians stupid bungling war crazed idiots like Bush? Of course they are not.

By their fruits thou shalt know them.

i, personally, respect all living beings who have shown me no pain or hurt. If an individual hurts me or abuses me then i walk away from that. i think that that is a good credence to live by.

Peace.

[octopusrex]

Dont' be in a rush to judge Bush or Hitler until you have lived a year in their shoes.

[eternal_spirit]

Dont' be in a rush to judge Bush or Hitler until you have lived a year in their shoes.

Very true.

Those guys are usually the scapegoats judged by others who don't know half the truth.

[siphon880di]

All I know is that Hitler had the power to stop the genocide.

[eternal_spirit]

You know, it doesn't matter if you're a reptilian starseed or have a reptilian soul, you are still human. If G2 (assuming that there's even multiple fractions of good and bad reptiles on earth...) wages war everywhere, they will treat you all the same.

You have human attitudes, beliefs, feelings, thought patterns, and nothing more. There might be some psychic perception, but who doesn't have it.

You're not helping people by spreading the "reptilian love" because right now right here the reptilians in control are bad. That's the problem we need to focus on.

I've not been involved much with these debates but have read all the topics not on here but over the years books/Internet. Heard it all before.

But have noticed the reps here have this superiority complex and play the victim role and try project the concept it's the humans fault.

[merlincove]

Dont' be in a rush to judge Bush or Hitler until you have lived a year in their shoes.

like i say time and time again, by their fruits you shal know them.

Bush and Hitler are responsable for some of the greatest war attrocities of our time. You can not dispute that. I don't care whether they were puppets in an agenda or not, we all have a choice to make in how we coinduct ourselves through life. Invading countries and killing / wiping out peacefull populations is oppresive behaviour. Both Hitler and Bush are guilty of that.

We can argue that one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist all day long, but the fact remains that these people are responsable for untold deaths and butchery.

Opposing that kind of regime is Christ and Gandhi consciousness, i know who's shoes i'd rather walk in and they'd probably be sandals.

My point is; would it be fair if an overlord race of aliens / ET's came to earth and judged mankind on the actions of Bush or Hitler or Genghis Khan? If they chose to subjugate the whole of humanity on a few snapshots from our combined history that would be a great injustice to the human race. And likewise to judge all 'reptilians' on the percieved control bought about by the shapeshifting illuminati is just the same xenophobic view that keeps us in a lower dimensional mindstate.

[pinkfreud]

lordreptoid, i'd be grateful if you could respond to my post (post #63).

also, i find it highly ironical that you point out grammatical mistakes in others' posts and talk at length about it- but haven't done so in eshtar's case.

just an observation.


as for eshtar- no one's asking you to 'reveal' yourself, but do remember that you're the one making claims of being a reptile, in a forum (and a world) that is predominantly 'human'. there is no need for you to be on the defensive here, and also no question about people 'being inconsiderate about your feelings'. i see no wrong in people asking for such proof, and till you do- most of us will presume you are just another guy with an overactive, vivid imagination.


this is not an expression of hostility. if anything i'm just being practical; this does deserve an adequate reply/replies. i see there's yet been no effort to respond objectively to sol's and my requests (as in post #63).



peace.

[thelyran]

I've not been involved much with these debates but have read all the topics not on here but over the years books/Internet. Heard it all before.

But have noticed the reps here have this superiority complex and play the victim role and try project the concept it's the humans fault.

...this is art,this is beautiful,this is true...I could not have phrased it better
myself...give this man a cigar(or equivalent)...did you ever consider a career in psychology,pays the rent a little better than busking onstage:D
...well done sir!...at least WE humans acknowledge our faults and try to address them.

[eshtar]

hmm maybe because my time zone is different. Anyway i have tried to respeond many times. I already said NO to just showing myself outright yet no one is getting it. 2 yes ourkind are scapegoats because you ALWAYS blame us. I made the same mistake 2 years Ago I admit it. O and thelyran if you admit all your faults and correct them, why are you still blaming a whole species?

[lordreptoid]

You know, it doesn't matter if you're a reptilian starseed or have a reptilian soul, you are still human. If G2 (assuming that there's even multiple fractions of good and bad reptiles on earth...) wages war everywhere, they will treat you all the same.

You have human attitudes, beliefs, feelings, thought patterns, and nothing more. There might be some psychic perception, but who doesn't have it.

You're not helping people by spreading the "reptilian love" because right now right here the reptilians in control are bad. That's the problem we need to focus on.


Start a thread on that very theme and enjoy. This one's about reptilian love. Of course since there's cross over here, prepare for plent there as well. :)

If "it doesn't matter" where a soul comes from or it's past lives or connections to this CONTINUING lifetime, then why read any of Icke's books or come to a forum where so few think that way anymore at all? Some more research is in order, as I keep saying.

"You have human.. etc etc" <--- Projection onto others from limited awareness. Open your mind more and learn.

And try to relax more about this subject, especially on this thread.

[lordreptoid]

Humans have this responsibility transference thing where they blame someone or something else for their actions, society, education, social situation, Reptilians. A being which is responsible for it's destiny and is capable of acknowledging it's own mistakes and faults is capable of self determination. To be capable of acknowledging faults and that those faults stem from the individual rather than outside forces prevents endless repetitions of mistakes and flawed behaviour. Beings which are not capable of self determination are put behind barriers to keep them safe, in one place and easily access able for maintenance and collection. Humans need to be able to move beyond the barriers of their own making to truly become sentient.

Rhydra, you deserve your own forum. :) Such great wisdom... Reminds me of this text: "Be ye as wise as serpents"

[eshtar]

yes she also know what she is talking about. And she also fights for what she beleives in.

[lordreptoid]

But have noticed the reps here have this superiority complex and play the victim role and try project the concept it's the humans fault.

I speak only for those I know and trust.. YES we DO enjoy ourselves rather openly, which draws the weaker natures out of those who are not as liberated or are in fear of liberation of the senses. For whatever reason, and you can delve into the assorted Atlantian and Lemurian histories about this to your heart's content as it's a good example, humanity has a rather strong aversion to standing along side strong characters of any position... they just don't trust ANYONE who apprears (what they THINK of as) better than themselves. It's a problem with jealousy leading to a great tendency to sabotage others "who got there first" - Don't believe the ancient evidence? Then try "sports" or "Reality TV shows", it's the same everywhere with that whole "I'm #1" but "never trust authority" crap. They just can't stand anyone else having what they feel they deserve, so they fight for the "#1" position and then get overthrown... it's almost funny, like a dog pile game that kids play... sqirming out of the bottom and jumping on top, then getting jumped on and squished to the bottom again, complaining the whole way, until they manage to escape again. :) Jealousy becomes something not worth catering to anymore after a while and those still stuck in that game se anyone outside of that game as "negative, selfish, untrusted, rebelious, mysterious, etc". You can't win by playing "dogpile" or by NOT playing "dogpile" due to the opinions of those still addicted to "dogpile" screaming "Get back in the game you outlaw criminal coward!"

I'm rather different, obviously. I admire honour and nobility. I respect leaders who have clearly earned their place in society. They are not "all bad people". I agree with voting (when it's done on paper locally). I agree with leaders having their time in power and making decisions. I even relate to Patrick Stewart after meeting him as to why he's not only a great Shakespearian actor but also did the Picard character with such EASE - it's HIS NATURE... and there was nothing but admiraton eminating from me when we spoke (it was a sci-fi convention and we got him in town for our event in the 90's - he loves our roller-coaster here, says it's the best one he's ever been on, but I digress...) Patrick is a natural dominant, and that's nature for some, but he shared some horrid stories from jealous types who DISPISE this great man purely due to his strong character - that's plain old jealousy... and I see it everywhere around naturally strong beings, and that's where much of this whole "I see reptilian souls as this or that thing" comes from... fear of strength of character rather than admiration of same, or better yet, imitation through learning how it's done and BEING better than they were previously... IE: Peasants becoming "Gentlemen" and recognized as such in society. Does any of this make sense to others or just the Ladies and Gentlemen in the audience tonight? :>

Much of this whole war is about both sides getting a bit carried away, humans and reptilians of those directly involved (not ALL races, breeds, clans, families). However, humans say ONE THING and the "bad-ass reps" (sighs) say another... perpective is everything. So as the good ones amongst us go about their smirking detatchment from the wars of others but keep in touch with a few here and there, they get dragged into the blame game by humanity and become even more detatched from the lies spread about "ALL reptoids" and so forth and will occasionally respond with some rather strong words at their ignorant intolerance. Make sense? I sure hope so. Sometimes we do feel a lot happier on our own without taking any side what so ever and just shaking our heads as the entire lot of you (and you).

We are happy with who we are and proud of our heritage in many ways... now if that's "bad", perhaps it is merely your own fears and projections of a heritage which is lacking some history in which to remember and draw from. Find some strength in your own people, history, family, whatever ficticious character if you must, and IMITATE that hero you admire so much and enjoy what you do have and balance it out with wisdom and awareness. You'll relate better to the proud if you are also proud and secure in your traditions and customs. Too many families have NO HEROS and NO CUSTOMS or TRADITIONS and thus their children are without a moral compass in which to stop and ponder before they over-react to any beLIEved "threat" from other nations, peoples, races and RACES. ;)

[rhydra]

Thanks I'm glad you appreciated it, though I'm not much good with more than a couple of paragraphs as I tend to lose concentration! :o

[element]

I also agree with what Jojo said. Many here cry out for loud that there are reppies after us, but keep supporting massive slaughter.
When will humans start to look at themselves..:confused:, only few do.


This thread is quite nice, it adds some colour to the usual, useless and pointless ramble, whether these reppies are true in what they say or not.
I would also like to see some evidence, only a vid or picture of a shapeshifted hand would do, and evidence of good quality, not the usual crappy altered vids.

Cheers 'reppies',bring some more colour to this depressed place!;)


http://lifeboat.com/images/chameleon.jpg

[size_of_light]

I would also like to see some evidence, only a vid or picture of a shapeshifted hand would do, and evidence of good quality, not the usual crappy altered vids.


..holding a copy of today's newspaper. Thanks.

[pinkfreud]

..holding a copy of today's newspaper. Thanks.


i'll be looking forward to that too. and i notice lordreptoid has not responded to my post. i wish he would, because honestly i think he's deliberately fielding my persistent questions.

and there was nothing but admiraton eminating from me when we spoke

For whatever reason, and you can delve into the assorted Atlantian and Lemurian histories about this to your heart's content as it's a good example

...sqirming out of the bottom and jumping on top, then getting jumped on and squished to the bottom again, complaining the whole way, until they manage to escape again. :)

..and those still stuck in that game se anyone outside of that game as "negative, selfish, untrusted, rebelious, mysterious, etc".

but he shared some horrid stories from jealous types who DISPISE this great man purely due to his strong character"


Too many families have NO HEROS and NO CUSTOMS or TRADITIONS


1. admiration
2. emanating
3. Atlantean
4. squirming
5. rebellious
6. despise
7. heroes


i don't care about grammar, but seeing that you do with regards to other people's posts- well, i just had to. ;)



well- even though, this thread is very interesting.

i just want to say one thing here: do remember, that though humans have deteriorated spiritually over the ages, largely because of their own doing, it is NOT solely us who is responsible for the state we are currently in.

please realise, that the evil/negative forces that are at work today have been constantly suppressing humanity because humans have the ability to progress further on the spiritual plane, more so than reptilians. the advancement of human incarnations is speedier, as opposed to the other races (not just reptilians). humans, as compared to reptilians, are capable of much more love- but that is not to say reptilians can't love either.

the misery perpetuated by our actions is pulling is in a deeper pit, but do ask yourself- who dug that pit? who served as the catalyst for blinding us to our true selves?

if we, as a race need to acknowledge our wrong doings, the dracos will need to be much more apologetic, for it is they who have sought to obstruct our journey back to where we belong.

no amount of preaching, or posts about loving our reptilian friends will make me believe humans are solely responsible for their condition today. if we have brought about so much grievance in this world, you can well imagine the magnitude of the dark energy the dracos- or the 'bad' reptilians who currently occupy positions of power, have initiated over the millenia.

stop blaming ONLY humans for the sh*t this earth is going through. and at the same time, i'd say not all reptilians are goons.

i cannot help but think the recent 'reptilian' threads of late have tried to lead us into believing the reptilians are not the primary cause of our collective 'loss'. it's very ironic, because these same people have pointed fingers at us saying 'humans have a very hostile attitude towards reptilians' etc etc.. while conveniently overlooking the spiritual torture the draco race has sought to put us through.

sure. but we already know that.

[shenoma]

Does it matter any way you can slice it? I think not, in the end of things.

so who actually believes there are reptillians that post on the David Icke forum??:confused: or is this some sort of role-play/compulsive lying

[shenoma]

It is not us vs. them, the truth is that they are us and we are them. We are all one, and just need to stop pointing fingers and seek forgiveness for ourselves and for everyone everywhere.
i'll be looking forward to that too. and i notice lordreptoid has not responded to my post. i wish he would, because honestly i think he's deliberately fielding my persistent questions.

1. admiration
2. emanating
3. Atlantean
4. squirming
5. rebellious
6. despise
7. heroes


i don't care about grammar, but seeing that you do with regards to other people's posts- well, i just had to. ;)



well- even though, this thread is very interesting.

i just want to say one thing here: do remember, that though humans have deteriorated spiritually over the ages, largely because of their own doing, it is NOT solely us who is responsible for the state we are currently in.

please realise, that the evil/negative forces that are at work today have been constantly suppressing humanity because humans have the ability to progress further on the spiritual plane, more so than reptilians. the advancement of human incarnations is speedier, as opposed to the other races (not just reptilians). humans, as compared to reptilians, are capable of much more love- but that is not to say reptilians can't love either.

the misery perpetuated by our actions is pulling is in a deeper pit, but do ask yourself- who dug that pit? who served as the catalyst for blinding us to our true selves?

if we, as a race need to acknowledge our wrong doings, the dracos will need to be much more apologetic, for it is they who have sought to obstruct our journey back to where we belong.

no amount of preaching, or posts about loving our reptilian friends will make me believe humans are solely responsible for their condition today. if we have brought about so much grievance in this world, you can well imagine the magnitude of the dark energy the dracos- or the 'bad' reptilians who currently occupy positions of power, have initiated over the millenia.

stop blaming ONLY humans for the sh*t this earth is going through. and at the same time, i'd say not all reptilians are goons.

i cannot help but think the recent 'reptilian' threads of late have tried to lead us into believing the reptilians are not the primary cause of our collective 'loss'. it's very ironic, because these same people have pointed fingers at us saying 'humans have a very hostile attitude towards reptilians' etc etc.. while conveniently overlooking the spiritual torture the draco race has sought to put us through.

sure. but we already know that.

[merlincove]

It is not us vs. them, the truth is that they are us and we are them. We are all one, and just need to stop pointing fingers and seek forgiveness for ourselves and for everyone everywhere.

beautiful sentiments shenoma

:D

[diky]

Does it matter any way you can slice it? I think not, in the end of things.

wise words

maybe we should all try and be a bit more apathetic and indifferent

[shenoma]

Thanks, I guess, you know you should take care of your self and let the rest of the world see to it self. Why drive your self crazy trying to fix the entire planet when your own life needs work?
wise words

maybe we should all try and be a bit more apathetic and indifferent

[measle_weasel]

...this is art,this is beautiful,this is true...I could not have phrased it better
myself...give this man a cigar(or equivalent)...did you ever consider a career in psychology,pays the rent a little better than busking onstage:D
...well done sir!...at least WE humans acknowledge our faults and try to address them.

...lol? Humanity is notorious for passing the buck when its time to accept responsibility for their actions. Its always someone elses fault... the government, the diety you believe in, the aliens, the "reptilians"... when it EVER the fault of the HUMANS?

[diky]

Thanks, I guess, you know you should take care of your self and let the rest of the world see to it self. Why drive your self crazy trying to fix the entire planet when your own life needs work?

i was being sarcastic :)

[thelyran]

...lol? Humanity is notorious for passing the buck when its time to accept responsibility for their actions. Its always someone elses fault... the government, the diety you believe in, the aliens, the "reptilians"... when it EVER the fault of the HUMANS?


...anyone here who has read my post,remarks about the line"the change begins with the self first"...that I always have stated this position.Would you like me to bump some threads,just to prove it....I was going to ignore you at first,1000 post in a month...you got very little else,have you.No partner,no-one to hold...I have always admitted my failings,have been quite open about it.

[rhydra]

...lol? Humanity is notorious for passing the buck when its time to accept responsibility for their actions. Its always someone elses fault... the government, the diety you believe in, the aliens, the "reptilians"... when it EVER the fault of the HUMANS?

If they can't justify the unjustfiable they just blame it on the Devil, demons or Reptilians, whatever the bogyman is at the time, that's why they keep making the same mistakes again and again.

[element]

If they can't justify the unjustfiable they just blame it on the Devil, demons or Reptilians, whatever the bogyman is at the time, that's why they keep making the same mistakes again and again.
Exactly. ;)

[lordreptoid]

Do we only "exist" if you say we do? Isn't that a bit ignorant of anyone to ASSume? ;) I supoose, if I agreed with you, and yes "evidence" sure does help, I wholeheartedly agree, then where's your evidence of the negative, for one, and secondly you deny the soul and past lives as well as soul GROUPS (friends who travel in teams and are here only for one life for a "mission" of assistance answering the CALL of so many here crying out in agony), so that would mean YOU TOO have no past lives and might not even have a soul (as you suggest others do not either). So you have no evidence of negative reptoid encounters what so ever and claim that even if they did exist there's no soul travel what so ever... so... where do all the NEW humans come from exactly? Oops, sorry, I was supposed to be agreeing with you, I forgot. Damn it's so difficult for me to stay limited for very long... must be my lack of meat eating or something lower-vibration like that, hmm. OK, so this is a short post (for me) :D

[measle_weasel]

...anyone here who has read my post,remarks about the line"the change begins with the self first"...that I always have stated this position.Would you like me to bump some threads,just to prove it....I was going to ignore you at first,1000 post in a month...you got very little else,have you.No partner,no-one to hold...I have always admitted my failings,have been quite open about it.

Whoa, a personal attack without provocation within the first reply to a point made! There must be some, if not a lot of truth in my post that you wish to deny if you feel the need to lash out at me in such a way, instead of rationally and civilly debate a point. :rolleyes:

I guess such a reaction would be expected though.

[lordreptoid]

...at least WE humans acknowledge our faults and try to address them.

Some do, most do NOT. Get to the percentages from this website alone... 90% MEMES and 10% "new data" or "controvery"... And that "we humans" thing is the same as saying "the reptoids" as for speaking/writing/presenting... The words "At least we..." is known as passive-aggression. It's a "one-up-manship" method of trying to look better than another race/group. IE: Nya nya nya nya nya. :) Perhaps you really don't mean it that way, but that's how it's been analysed by everyone from psychiatrists to psychologists. Self-awareness is a beautiful thing... self-mastery even more delightful to encounter, and best of all to BE. Facts speak for themselves. Never slander entire races when you don't even have ONE as a personal friend and have never even seen one before in your entire life (generally speaking to any and all who still play xenophobe in a dying age of ignorance). "Reptoids, the 'new n1ggers' in tha hood." - A fun parody: :D "Call me one of the Black Panther leaders and you'll know what's commin' if there ain't more chillin' going on with the mammals. We gots rights too and we's goin' nowhere off our shared planet. Yoh!" (I know, I'm way too white to pull off being a 'brudda' LOL - Wrote a nice 4 line rap on my paranormal list yesterday though. :) )

[lordreptoid]

I can't see postings from the "Ignored" on this server... need I remind anyone whom I cannot see that others are telling me about. So that passive-aggressive game ends right here through TRUTH. Gotcha! ;)

[thelyran]

Whoa, a personal attack without provocation within the first reply to a point made! There must be some, if not a lot of truth in my post that you wish to deny if you feel the need to lash out at me in such a way, instead of rationally and civilly debate a point. :rolleyes:

I guess such a reaction would be expected though.

...if you are so wise and above all,you would ignore my post,like I do others.
This reptile love and despise all human fad has gone to far.Ok,Weasel,I apologise for the personal attack.That was wrong of me to embark on that tactic.What I am tired of hearing is the same arguement repeated Ad Nauseam.Michael Tsarion offers some of the best solutions and theories for
the human condition,due to the splicing of human DNA along with the alien
attributes.Everyone here argues one position,offers no solutions.
Again,it was wrong for me to adopt a personal attack against you,as you have complimented this forum with good post.Some others here have done the opposite...they are currently under the micro-scope,their time is short here...

[measle_weasel]

Thank you, lyran. It is appreciated.

[measle_weasel]

Everyone here argues one position,offers no solutions

Ive always believed the paradigm of service to self needs to be changed, with a bias towards service to others. Greed is the root of the condition of the planet we are living on right now. If service to others was even just slightly greater than service to self, then the world would stop deteriorating, and start regenerating, physically, emotionally, spiritually, etc.

But each person needs to make that decision for themselves, as we all have free will to choose our own destiny. Service to self, up to this point, has not worked out very well. What makes people think that it will someday work better than it is now?

And its not about being part of a collective, or being "one" with everything... its just about compassion for others, and treating others as you would want to be treated. It pains me to think of how easy it would be to change the world. Its just a choice, nothing more.

[thelyran]

Thank you, lyran. It is appreciated.

...appreciating my apology reveals to me and others you have very good qualities,you done yourself a good turn.I like that alot.Thankyou very much for not taking the advantage of staging a counter attack,as so many others would.I do admit,I share very little love for the Reptilians,not a failing,I'm very well acquainted with a reptilian inbred occult family,who share no love for their own,let alone others.You take care weasel,regards J.

[thelyran]

Ive always believed the paradigm of service to self needs to be changed, with a bias towards service to others. Greed is the root of the condition of the planet we are living on right now. If service to others was even just slightly greater than service to self, then the world would stop deteriorating, and start regenerating, physically, emotionally, spiritually, etc.

But each person needs to make that decision for themselves, as we all have free will to choose our own destiny. Service to self, up to this point, has not worked out very well. What makes people think that it will someday work better than it is now?

And its not about being part of a collective, or being "one" with everything... its just about compassion for others, and treating others as you would want to be treated. It pains me to think of how easy it would be to change the world. Its just a choice, nothing more.

I have written this before,not so elegantly...but agree whole-heartedly.

[lordreptoid]

OK, seems I can see quotes of other's quotes of the Ignored.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thelyran View Post
Everyone here argues one position,offers no solutions

"Everyone" - "One position" - "No solutions". Now who's being self-restricting there and completely ignoring all the data presented at a certain website including some sharing at this forum? Who wishes to be LED rather than figure it out for themselves? Why limit the data through self-editing (As David Icke calls it)? Come on... you can do this! I know you can. :)

[size_of_light]

*(cough)...one too many Star Trek conventions....(cough)*

[pinkfreud]

It is not us vs. them, the truth is that they are us and we are them. We are all one, and just need to stop pointing fingers and seek forgiveness for ourselves and for everyone everywhere.


shenoma, i am not trying to propagate an 'us vs. them' mindset here. if anything, i have said whatever i did, from an objective standpoint and not merely because a lightsider/darksider leaning.

please realise that.

like i said, my problem is that of late, there have been threads cropping up which do push the 'humanity is majorly responsible / to blame for the situation it is in' mindset. i am against it, because as mentioned- if we have consciously, or subconsciously accepted what is being done to us, the draco race have simply been catalysts to place us in the spiritual turmoil we are, and have been in.

i am all for love- in fact, i love love. but, do not lose yourself in loving someone else. if we need to extend an olive branch, we also need to be very practical and know- that humans, having the sole ability to incarnate simultaneously (and thus, become once with the source much quicker than other races) have been hindered in doing so by other beings who do not have the same characteristic as we do, and hence seek shortcuts.

please go here http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43831&highlight=matrix and i also suggest you check out www.trufax.org (http://www.trufax.org)

again, i'm ok with love. forgiveness- well, a little doubtful; simply because i think we can become wiser and stronger without absolving others' wrongdoings.

and my other 'problem' in that post, was about the two supposed reptilian members here. only because i think they aren't who they claim they are; i could be wrong, and sorry if i am- but until then, i stand my ground.

also, lordreptoid is a hypocrite; that is a plain fact, and not just a pointless statement i'm making. he needs to grow up, because i've noticed he shuts out people who criticise him. this is not reflective of a tolerant, understanding being- everyone here needs to know that.

practice what you preach, and the universe will be a better place.





much love,

pf.

[thelyran]

shenoma, i am not trying to propagate an 'us vs. them' mindset here. if anything, i have said whatever i did, from an objective standpoint and not merely because a lightsider/darksider leaning.

please realise that.

like i said, my problem is that of late, there have been threads cropping up which do push the 'humanity is majorly responsible / to blame for the situation it is in' mindset. i am against it, because as mentioned- if we have consciously, or subconsciously accepted what is being done to us, the draco race have simply been catalysts to place us in the spiritual turmoil we are, and have been in.

i am all for love- in fact, i love love. but, do not lose yourself in loving someone else. if we need to extend an olive branch, we also need to be very practical and know- that humans, having the sole ability to incarnate simultaneously (and thus, become once with the source much quicker than other races) have been hindered in doing so by other beings who do not have the same characteristic as we do, and hence seek shortcuts.

please go here http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43831&highlight=matrix and i also suggest you check out www.trufax.org (http://www.trufax.org)

again, i'm ok with love. forgiveness- well, a little doubtful; simply because i think we can become wiser and stronger without absolving others' wrongdoings.

and my other 'problem' in that post, was about the two supposed reptilian members here. only because i think they aren't who they claim they are; i could be wrong, and sorry if i am- but until then, i stand my ground.

also, lordreptoid is a hypocrite; that is a plain fact, and not just a pointless statement i'm making. he needs to grow up, because i've noticed he shuts out people who criticise him. this is not reflective of a tolerant, understanding being- everyone here needs to know that.

practice what you preach, and the universe will be a better place.





much love,

pf.

...wise and cute...

[lordreptoid]

Since I cannot read the last three posts as all three of them are on my ignore list for being insensitive and irritating, I'm sure my friends will inform me if there's anything of significance to comment on. :) I don't mind the calm quiet being viewed from my home office.

[pinkfreud]

Since I cannot read the last three posts as all three of them are on my ignore list for being insensitive and irritating, I'm sure my friends will inform me if there's anything of significance to comment on. :) I don't mind the calm quiet being viewed from my home office.

boo hoo.

this post is for those engaged on this thread and others, and not this guy in question, so i'm glad he can't see this (or so he claims- since he spotted and replied to SOL's post when he apparently was on 'ignore')


i could not care less, whether this man has me or others on his ignore list. because this only convinces me of his fake persona, his inability to have a mature, healthy discussion with people having varied viewpoints, answer our questions/ lay our doubts to rest, and last but not least- his fear, of being exposed as an individual who is merely pretending to be a being from another realm.

my posts have been anything but insensitive and irritating. same with thelyran. in fact, i have pointed out the obvious 'sore thumbs' in your posts, which you have constantly failed to respond to.

your admission to having the people, who have asked for evidence and questioned you all too often, on ignore has served not as a cold shoulder- but as a confirmation of my longstanding doubts with regards to you.

i will hence not question you any further, because if you were really the being you claim to be- you wouldn't be so hesitant, intolerant and defensive. i know that now.

so thank you for proving my point lord'reptoid'.

i wish you the very best in your (phony) endeavours.

and at the same time i'd urge people here- his messages may give us something to think about, but please do not for a second, let your guard down.




much love,

pf.

[shenoma]

That is good advice.
but please do not for a second, let your guard down.




much love,

pf.

[lordreptoid]

Re: "matrix 5" - "mankinds problems are all draco initiated".

If anyone were to believe that many or all incarnations happen at once, then they would have to conclude they are not the only ones doing this, therefore any "others" one meets could very well be themselves, literally... therefore "karma" between the two would balance out mathematically no matter what transpired between them. IE: Spirit 1 does "bad things" to spirit 2 = no return as this is already "balance" as it's the same person, so "no harm done". IE2: You cannot owe yourself money or pay yourself back. Additionally the "law of attraction" always takes the easiest path, just like lightning or water, therefore your OWN SELVES would be performing most of the "karmic ties" anyway. Also, following this logic, other lives could be in/on other worlds and dimensions, therefore anything a "Draco/Reptoid" does to you could very well exist PURELY because you are only using your right arm to beat up your left... so stop being so silly and quit blaming everything on "someone else who really really bad and the cause of all your woes"! :) It just makes you look stupid and quite contradictory/hypocritical in your beLIEf systems.

Re: "i could not care less, whether this man has me or others on his ignore list. because this only convinces me of his fake persona, his inability to have a mature, healthy discussion with people having varied viewpoints, answer our questions/ lay our doubts to rest, and last but not least- his fear, of being exposed as an individual who is merely pretending to be a being from another realm."

Why are you on my ignore list (yet friends send me multiple copies to warn me about PERSONAL ATTACKS from asholes)? See your own comments listed here, pink. Do you truly need this explained to you? LOL

Re: "your admission to having the people, who have asked for evidence and questioned you all too often, on ignore has served not as a cold shoulder- but as a confirmation of my longstanding doubts with regards to you."

Please, doubt me as much as humanly possible... maybe you'll shut up and go away now, finally, so we can get back to the TOPIC and have all your inflamatory personal attacks removed from this server. :)

Re: "i will hence not question you any further, because if you were really the being you claim to be- you wouldn't be so hesitant, intolerant and defensive. i know that know."

With me, antagonistic "baiting" gets you nowhere... watch and learn.

Re: "and at the same time i'd urge people here- his messages may give us something to think about, but please do not for a second, let your guard down."

Fearmongering as a "PS" truly does suit you and all others like you, pink. Happy fearing! Now walk it off somewhere else and let this thread get back to a more adult level of free communication without the antagonistic PERSONAL ATTACKS from screaming children.

Caution: Be careful around anyone who signs off with "much love" but DOES the opposite every chance they get near a keyboard. Know them by their fruits.

[sabre1]

It's a self-fulfilling conflict.

Humans vs. Dracos\Reptillians
Dracos\Reptillians vs. Humans

All of the infighting is killing the ability for the masses of Earth(Human or not) to effectively end the New World Order and the plan of the the Imperialist Extraterrestrial agenda.

Regardless of species, race, color, creed, religion, nationality, etc., I'm sure we all believe that a one-world tyrannical government is being put in place and the masses that can stand together as friends and family are able to stop it.

It should be...

Good Humans\Dracos\Reptillians\Free Exterran Races vs. New World Order\Imperialistic Exterran Races

The arguing isn't helping the understanding of Dracos\Reptillians.

Heck, I think Dracos and Reptillians are pretty cool. (Just as long as they don't cause any harm to me ;) )

[lordreptoid]

This is reptilian love and compassion: (on topic)

It's a self-fulfilling conflict.

Humans vs. Dracos\Reptillians
Dracos\Reptillians vs. Humans

All of the infighting is killing the ability for the masses of Earth(Human or not) to effectively end the New World Order and the plan of the the Imperialist Extraterrestrial agenda.

Regardless of species, race, color, creed, religion, nationality, etc., I'm sure we all believe that a one-world tyrannical government is being put in place and the masses that can stand together as friends and family are able to stop it.

It should be...

Good Humans\Dracos\Reptillians\Free Exterran Races vs. New World Order\Imperialistic Exterran Races

The arguing isn't helping the understanding of Dracos\Reptillians.

Heck, I think Dracos and Reptillians are pretty cool. (Just as long as they don't cause any harm to me )

And thank-you for the love and compassionate understanding, sabre1. :) You "get it", that's awesome to witness here. Thank-you greatly for being brave enough to stand up and speak out for what's relaly going on here. Even David Icke mentions there are rogue groups of reptoids actually HELPING to free humanity from the illusion the bad-asses have imposed over the weaker minds of humans. *Smiles all innocent and scratches a few scales*

I follow this thought up with a question... Who benefits if sabotage exists during a time of presented peace between the species? Those who don't know any better and don't even care, those who DO but are limited in their actions for peace, or those who are already in power and refuse to let their exiting power go? Think about that a while, everyone. Who benefits when nay-sayers want nothing but battles against reptilians at every level from the ridiculous to the most dire? Who would be against peace? Surely the answer shall become very clear as to who they work for and you shall know them by their fruits. Who speaks of peace and who speaks of perpetuating xenophobia at every opportunity? It's so very simple to se once the eyes are fully opened. Always ask "Who benefits?"

Blesings to all.

[shenoma]

It doesn't matter what you are, just what you want. I would like for no more homeless kids being beating up both of their parents, that is thing to truly hate, and :mad:not some reptilians.

[octopusrex]

Change the word reptilian for Jew or Dutch and you begin to see the problem we have on David Icke.

[shenoma]

True, I see the a major problem with people getting upset with the spooky NWO or what not. How many of these people try to help anyone else in real life? I don't do much myself, but other then to treat people kindly.

I ain't blaming all of the world's ills on a handful of people either, when it's everyone's collective fault.

Change the word reptilian for Jew or Dutch and you begin to see the problem we have on David Icke.

[size_of_light]

Change the word reptilian for Jew or Dutch and you begin to see the problem we have on David Icke.

Change the words 'you humans' for 'Jew' or 'Dutch' and you begin to see the problem I have with Lord Reptoid.

[johnthejedi24]

These people are not attacking you personally Lordreptoid. Hell, I am not attacking you personally, I would just like to see some evidence that you are what you claim to be, until I see some of that evidence I am going to be VERY SCEPTICAL. I still think you are probably a great guy, and I think you have great ideas and a great website that supports your ideas.:)

[thelyran]

Why are you on my ignore list (yet friends send me multiple copies to warn me about PERSONAL ATTACKS from asholes)?

...Be careful how you address other users here Reptoid.Other friends here?Quite obvious you joined this forum with an entourage to back your propaganda and perverted point of view.Now you got a webmaster here,a psychic vampire awaiting clearance to join and a handful of followers.
Even one who has mastered the rudimentary basics of mathematical thought,knows you are attempting to form your own reptile forum,go by all means.
You'll take very little from here,why don't you try Infinite Love forums with the other disgruntled Icke posters...maybe they won't be complimentary,maybe they will.
Oh,this treasured exclusive knowledge that you feel so cheated by Icke for credit,please illuminate we who live so darkly...pages,paragraphs,quotes..
from Children Of The Matrix...please enthral we,who live so vile, without the majesty of your light.

[lordreptoid]

These people are not attacking you personally Lordreptoid.

Many have if you look back and read their words yourself... or perhaps you just don't see it because it's "normal" in today's society to belittle everyone around them without thinking of how they impact other people's lives... it is the "me generation" after all. *shrugs*

Hell, I am not attacking you personally,

I tend to agree, yes, you are fairly balanced so far.

I would just like to see some evidence that you are what you claim to be

Fly to Victoria BC Canada and I'll meet you in person at the airport. I can get you a limo, no charge to you but you're paying your own air-fare and hotel expenses. If that's not good enough then you're just not trying hard enough to seek the truth to which I am offering you directly, first hand (or claw). ;) I'll let you pet my scales IF you are totally respectful to me at all times. I have no time for troublemakers.

until I see some of that evidence I am going to be VERY SCEPTICAL.

So be it, it's your life and you're welcome to paint it any colour to wish to see. Chose whatever you wish to experience first hand,but don't say I didn't make the offer of a LIFETIME directly to you, first hand. :D

I still think you are probably a great guy, and I think you have great ideas and a great website that supports your ideas.

Fair enough.

OK, well, my offer sits on your end of the table... the rest is up to you. I can't do any better than that and I won't spend $800 air fare and $150 a night to "convince" someone something to which I already am and am VERY happy with. :) Sorry, I can only do so much for critics who don't leave their livingroom chairs and make demands of everyone to impress them. You seem like an inteligent fellow who can use their logic to see ALL SIDES of a situation, and perhaps you have some skills in the area of being psychic and knowing a whole number of psychics whom you can consult on such a curious question of such a personal nature about who and what "Purple Crow rally is". I could not stop psychics from reading this truth, nor would I want to do so because I relaly don't care who knows about my bloodline or my astral connections, past lives and so on and so forth, I really don't. It's up to the doubters to MAKE the effort and not up to those who already know to force their opinions and truthes onto anyone else. For me to do so would be pontless because no matter what I do someone comes along and tears it all apart like a band of wild frantic apes and usually they are dead wrong, but they love to mock anything they don't yet understand... and it's just "not my scene" anymore. People can believe whatever the Hell they want to believe and I relaly don't care... as David Icke says, "Not my place to tell them they can't have an opinion, no matter how stupid they want to be, they're welcome to it, they're only creating their own limited view of reality and they get what they have invested into it - a made to order manifestation of their own limited views. They won't, or can't see beyond their own creation, and that's fine for them. Won't stop the rest of us from moving forward, will it mate?" :) (or words to that effect at his lectures, of which I've attended several after meeting him and discussing COHRA back in 1998)

Now if you want some "reptilian love" from me as per this thread which I'd really prefer to keep on topic, I don't think you're my type that way, but I could be wrong... you have my website and private e-mail if you wish to share more on that level - I'm open to your ideas, even if I always reserve the right to say "no, not interested in you that way." I'm still hopeful for more positive reptoid encounter stories from others as per this subject thread, but sure, if it comes down to a nice one on one meeting with someone who's just interested in meeting me and "petting me" to "prove that I'm real" then fine. Might be a fun story to tell others over the years like others I've shared before. :D Just be warned, if you run off screaming, don't blame me for allowing you to come meet me, gods almighty that gets so boring and predictable. ;) Thi has to be YOUR choice and effort.

Blessings.

PS: I used to have a vid on YouTube showing off my scales but the slander from anti-reptoid xenophobic fearmongers became too annoying as the failure of YT systems in my being able to ban/block hate crimes was no longer worth the effort. Millions of hits later, I pulled it from the "airwaves". *shrugs* Now you're stuck with meeting in person, heheheh.

[eshtar]

I swear all these attacks on veiws, beleifs, ect is really pissing me off. One person comes on here mentioning he/she is reptilian and they get attacked. What do you all here (excluding the supporters of course) what is the problem? Did any reptilian person once attack ALL humans NO. What is with this o I want proof I want this I want that if you don't your a fake. Without even getting to know the person. what the hell does it matter? I have not seen one person who attacks someone with a differtent beleif even get to know one of us and acualy talk to us all we got is your fake your a lyer seeking attention this and that. Of course we are going to talk back. We are NOT that different at all from all of you we feel, love, hate get angry ect. I already say howq you hated it when you felt attacked but have you ONCE thought about how we felt to? I am so SICK of these fighting threads and who is fake and who is not and flaming and bashing. I am sure Icke himself would be appalled by all of this. This reminds me of the crusades and who was Christian and who was not. I personly don't care if you even see this or not but this is the truth. I LIKE alot of humans not attacking every single darn human out there because we are NOT any better then the next person or being. We are ALL One and Connected. But what do I know ha? Comming from someone you think is some attention seeking kid. (and the friends of me and others who acualy understand thank you. *hugs to all*)

[pinkfreud]

Re: "matrix 5" - "mankinds problems are all draco initiated".

If anyone were to believe that many or all incarnations happen at once, then they would have to conclude they are not the only ones doing this, therefore any "others" one meets could very well be themselves, literally... therefore "karma" between the two would balance out mathematically no matter what transpired between them. IE: Spirit 1 does "bad things" to spirit 2 = no return as this is already "balance" as it's the same person, so "no harm done". IE2: You cannot owe yourself money or pay yourself back. Additionally the "law of attraction" always takes the easiest path, just like lightning or water, therefore your OWN SELVES would be performing most of the "karmic ties" anyway. Also, following this logic, other lives could be in/on other worlds and dimensions, therefore anything a "Draco/Reptoid" does to you could very well exist PURELY because you are only using your right arm to beat up your left... so stop being so silly and quit blaming everything on "someone else who really really bad and the cause of all your woes"! :) It just makes you look stupid and quite contradictory/hypocritical in your beLIEf systems.

Re: "i could not care less, whether this man has me or others on his ignore list. because this only convinces me of his fake persona, his inability to have a mature, healthy discussion with people having varied viewpoints, answer our questions/ lay our doubts to rest, and last but not least- his fear, of being exposed as an individual who is merely pretending to be a being from another realm."

Why are you on my ignore list (yet friends send me multiple copies to warn me about PERSONAL ATTACKS from asholes)? See your own comments listed here, pink. Do you truly need this explained to you? LOL

Re: "your admission to having the people, who have asked for evidence and questioned you all too often, on ignore has served not as a cold shoulder- but as a confirmation of my longstanding doubts with regards to you."

Please, doubt me as much as humanly possible... maybe you'll shut up and go away now, finally, so we can get back to the TOPIC and have all your inflamatory personal attacks removed from this server. :)

Re: "i will hence not question you any further, because if you were really the being you claim to be- you wouldn't be so hesitant, intolerant and defensive. i know that know."

With me, antagonistic "baiting" gets you nowhere... watch and learn.

Re: "and at the same time i'd urge people here- his messages may give us something to think about, but please do not for a second, let your guard down."

Fearmongering as a "PS" truly does suit you and all others like you, pink. Happy fearing! Now walk it off somewhere else and let this thread get back to a more adult level of free communication without the antagonistic PERSONAL ATTACKS from screaming children.

Caution: Be careful around anyone who signs off with "much love" but DOES the opposite every chance they get near a keyboard. Know them by their fruits.

people here know me long enough, to judge whether i'm an individual who loves and does not go about 'preaching' about love and doing the opposite, which is what you're doing.

it's funny you've related your last sentence to me, because those were the very words i'd said before- practice what you preach; it would be nice if you looked back on my posts, and point out where i've been unreasonable. do not try and make this thread a battlefield by proclaiming your friends are around to save your behind; i can safely say, that i have (many more) lovely people here who will support me as well. i just don't want to stoop to that level, just because you are diverting from my main point which i have constantly repeated. it's also so very convenient for you, to state that 'doubters' need to make the effort to check for proof.

LOL. wtf?

do you apply the same line of thinking while going through research or checking the credibility of materials?

have you wondered why people like icke etc always make it a point to cite references, name their sources, get quotes, make videos and go through so much trouble to make sure their work is not questioned and deemed 'bullshit'?

it's because evidence simply doesn't lie. and yet, you expect us to come down there (not to mention you assume everyone here lives in the uk) just to assure ourselves of your truthfulness?

really... i just have to keep myself from laughing now.

also handy that your supposed youtube video was bumped off.

well apart from that- i don't need a random person, such as yourself, to tell me whether i'm fearful or not. i think your sense of comprehension is failing here, because 'not letting one's guard down' and 'fear' have two very, very different meanings. i was, am and i still will, ask the members to be on their guard.

as for you telling me to 'shut up' and go away- again, this reflects your rather closed, intolerant mindset.

who's the screaming child now?

it seems you don't realise that you are hammering the nail in your own coffin :rolleyes: this is not your thread, and as such you got no right in asking me to buzz off, to try to get me off your back just because you have a problem with my posts.

if you do not wish to argue with what i've said so far, you should go back to ignoring me and give yourself some mental peace, instead of pretending to ignore me and try and put me down later.

i wish everyone here much peace and love, and i know i probably mean, and live by it more than you do.


so...

love to all :cool:


...Be careful how you address other users here Reptoid.Other friends here?Quite obvious you joined this forum with an entourage to back your propaganda and perverted point of view.Now you got a webmaster here,a psychic vampire awaiting clearance to join and a handful of followers.
Even one who has mastered the rudimentary basics of mathematical thought,knows you are attempting to form your own reptile forum,go by all means.
You'll take very little from here,why don't you try Infinite Love forums with the other disgruntled Icke posters...maybe they won't be complimentary,maybe they will.
Oh,this treasured exclusive knowledge that you feel so cheated by Icke for credit,please illuminate we who live so darkly...pages,paragraphs,quotes..
from Children Of The Matrix...please enthral we,who live so vile, without the majesty of your light.

good points raised there J :) love you much.



edit: oh, and eshtar- sorry, but it does matter. no matter how many times you attempt to spin a tale of hatred and hostility brought about by us (apparently) through our posts- the fact is, we are not against any 'race'. we are just being objective. and i'm not the only one who's pointed this out.

yeah, and your hug is appreciated.


p.s: also, i thought i'd say this- lord'reptoid' does not know the difference between a reptilian and a grey- as displayed in the 'who believes reptilians post here' thread. please have a look.

[shenoma]

You have no idea what I had to put up back in the olden days of the past forum. I was cursed at, belittle because of my sex, and even got one or two death threats. The times I fired back only served to give them attention and lower my self to their level. I got mad, but in the end it taught me not to respond in childish ways when people mistreat you.

I learn to start my own threads, keep to them, and not bothering no one else. In time people came to rally around, sort of, and some even bother to defend me. I didn't have to ask for support from anyone, I let people judge me and other's by our actions. Life is not fair and the bad guys get away with stuff, you can't take things so personal in life.

I was better served by letting go of dumb shit, and enjoyed the old friendships I made back in those days. I even inspired one woman for being so open about my past lives, and putting up with the crap without complaining about it. It is something to think is all I am saying.

[pinkfreud]

You have no idea what I had to put up back in the olden days of the past forum. I was cursed at, belittle because of my sex, and even got one or two death threats. The times I fired back only served to give them attention and lower my self to their level. I got mad, but in the end it taught me not to respond in childish ways when people mistreat you.

I learn to start my own threads, keep to them, and not bothering no one else. In time people came to rally around, sort of, and some even bother to defend me. I didn't have to ask for support from anyone, I let people judge me and other's by our actions. Life is not fair and the bad guys get away with stuff, you can't take things so personal in life.

I was better served by letting go of dumb shit, and enjoyed the old friendships I made back in those days. I even inspired one woman for being so open about my past lives, and putting up with the crap without complaining about it. It is something to think is all I am saying.


so who is your post directed at exactly? i'm not really getting it.

i don't think it's enough to be a silent spectator (or put up with crap, like you said) and strive not to 'complain'... i think something needs to be done, by taking an initiative and going forward with it, instead of being mute and excessively tolerant.

[shenoma]

No one but Mr. Lordreptoid, I didn't want to say this but here it goes. Grow a pair and get over self. I am for ever a lone and for ever lonely in this life. I'm not dissing you at all, just some helpful advice, I believe.

Anyways, I wasn't silent, I talked about what I was going through and believed at the time. I made friends and we learned from each other, we have so little time in life. I would rather enjoy it then worry about some losers calling me bad names on interweb forum. I didn't let other people keep my mute, but I didn't allow them to drag me down to their level either.

I honestly don't care what other people think of me, and there for I gain more power over myself. I don't have to worry about other people so much, and I am learning to make myself a better person in my own life.

so who is your post directed at exactly? i'm not really getting it.

i don't think it's enough to be a silent spectator (or put up with crap, like you said) and strive not to 'complain'... i think something needs to be done, by taking an initiative and going forward with it, instead of being mute and excessively tolerant.

[pinkfreud]

No one in mind.

I wasn't silent, I talked about what I was going through and believed at the time. I made friends and we learned from each other, we have so little time in life. I would rather enjoy it then worry about some losers calling me bad names on interweb forum. I didn't let other people keep my mute, but I didn't allow them to drag me down to their level either.

I honestly don't care what other people think of me, and there for I gain more power over myself. I don't have to worry about other people so much, and I am learning to make myself a better person in my own life.


that's all good. and healthy too. you have a wise outlook on life shenoma, BUT...

my sole problem (and i never have problems with people here) is when individuals pretend to be someone they aren't; or, if not that- make no effort whatsoever to cooperate in some way, instead using their 'persona' as a weapon to put others down and also- not following your own ideals which you always talk about over and over.

this has been my only grouse so far. perhaps it's because i've always had a problem with liars and hypocrites, or those who look down upon others who don't agree with the points he/she makes.

the thing is- even though i'm willing to learn and not waste my time/energy on silly arguments and bickering, i find it repulsive that someone would come on this forum and use it as a tool to take advantage of people's open-mindedness, take things for granted and not have a decent discussion with people who have different, and varying thought processes.

but you do have a point. i have realised that when angry, a lot of my energy gets drained. we need to enjoy ourselves more, and just basically make love not war :cool: i'm all for it.



but my eye does start twitching when i come across those who are 'questionable'.

oh, and btw- i like your av =]

[shenoma]

Yeah, but it has taken my 30 years to get to this. I ain't no saint or what not, I am just being me. I know what you mean when someone is rude to you, the first response is anger but you shouldn't ever lose control over self. Don't play their games, let them play your's.

I do love my avatar, because I wise I could be big and fat and pregnant, but since every male on this planet is not what I want. I will always be alone and devote my life to something else.

that's all good. and healthy too. you have a wise outlook on life shenoma, BUT...

my sole problem (and i never have problems with people here) is when individuals pretend to be someone they aren't; or, if not that- make no effort whatsoever to cooperate in some way, instead using their 'persona' as a weapon to put others down and also- not following your own ideals which you always talk about over and over.

this has been my only grouse so far. perhaps it's because i've always had a problem with liars and hypocrites, or those who look down upon others who don't agree with the points he/she makes.

the thing is- even though i'm willing to learn and not waste my time/energy on silly arguments and bickering, i find it repulsive that someone would come on this forum and use it as a tool to take advantage of people's open-mindedness, take things for granted and not have a decent discussion with people who have different, and varying thought processes.

but you do have a point. i have realised that when angry, a lot of my energy gets drained. we need to enjoy ourselves more, and just basically make love not war :cool: i'm all for it.



but my eye does start twitching when i come across those who are 'questionable'.

oh, and btw- i like your av =]

[skunksmash]

Many have if you look back and read their words yourself... or perhaps you just don't see it because it's "normal" in today's society to belittle everyone around them without thinking of how they impact other people's lives... it is the "me generation" after all. *shrugs*



I tend to agree, yes, you are fairly balanced so far.



Fly to Victoria BC Canada and I'll meet you in person at the airport. I can get you a limo, no charge to you but you're paying your own air-fare and hotel expenses. If that's not good enough then you're just not trying hard enough to seek the truth to which I am offering you directly, first hand (or claw). ;) I'll let you pet my scales IF you are totally respectful to me at all times. I have no time for troublemakers.



So be it, it's your life and you're welcome to paint it any colour to wish to see. Chose whatever you wish to experience first hand,but don't say I didn't make the offer of a LIFETIME directly to you, first hand. :D



Fair enough.

OK, well, my offer sits on your end of the table... the rest is up to you. I can't do any better than that and I won't spend $800 air fare and $150 a night to "convince" someone something to which I already am and am VERY happy with. :) Sorry, I can only do so much for critics who don't leave their livingroom chairs and make demands of everyone to impress them. You seem like an inteligent fellow who can use their logic to see ALL SIDES of a situation, and perhaps you have some skills in the area of being psychic and knowing a whole number of psychics whom you can consult on such a curious question of such a personal nature about who and what "Purple Crow rally is". I could not stop psychics from reading this truth, nor would I want to do so because I relaly don't care who knows about my bloodline or my astral connections, past lives and so on and so forth, I really don't. It's up to the doubters to MAKE the effort and not up to those who already know to force their opinions and truthes onto anyone else. For me to do so would be pontless because no matter what I do someone comes along and tears it all apart like a band of wild frantic apes and usually they are dead wrong, but they love to mock anything they don't yet understand... and it's just "not my scene" anymore. People can believe whatever the Hell they want to believe and I relaly don't care... as David Icke says, "Not my place to tell them they can't have an opinion, no matter how stupid they want to be, they're welcome to it, they're only creating their own limited view of reality and they get what they have invested into it - a made to order manifestation of their own limited views. They won't, or can't see beyond their own creation, and that's fine for them. Won't stop the rest of us from moving forward, will it mate?" :) (or words to that effect at his lectures, of which I've attended several after meeting him and discussing COHRA back in 1998)

Now if you want some "reptilian love" from me as per this thread which I'd really prefer to keep on topic, I don't think you're my type that way, but I could be wrong... you have my website and private e-mail if you wish to share more on that level - I'm open to your ideas, even if I always reserve the right to say "no, not interested in you that way." I'm still hopeful for more positive reptoid encounter stories from others as per this subject thread, but sure, if it comes down to a nice one on one meeting with someone who's just interested in meeting me and "petting me" to "prove that I'm real" then fine. Might be a fun story to tell others over the years like others I've shared before. :D Just be warned, if you run off screaming, don't blame me for allowing you to come meet me, gods almighty that gets so boring and predictable. ;) Thi has to be YOUR choice and effort.

Blessings.

PS: I used to have a vid on YouTube showing off my scales but the slander from anti-reptoid xenophobic fearmongers became too annoying as the failure of YT systems in my being able to ban/block hate crimes was no longer worth the effort. Millions of hits later, I pulled it from the "airwaves". *shrugs* Now you're stuck with meeting in person, heheheh.


well.... this is something you dont read every day....:rolleyes:

how about me & a few friends pay for your travel & accommodation to the UK, ALL EXPENSES COVERED, just think of it as a holiday..... we will pick you up from the airport on the Friday evening & take you back for your return flight on Monday morning, we'll put you up in a 4 star hotel in London & you can shop or whatever it is you reppy's do..

me & a few others would LOVE fist hand evidence of this.....

(oh BTW, if you get here & it turns out your not reptilian we'll kill ya..;))




:)SK

[pinkfreud]

Yeah, but it has taken my 30 years to get to this. I ain't no saint or what not, I am just being me. I know what you mean when someone is rude to you, the first response is anger but you shouldn't ever lose control over self. Don't play their games, let them play your's.

advice duly noted. thanks much.

I do love my avatar, because I wise I could be big and fat and pregnant, but since every male on this planet is not what I want. I will always be alone and devote my life to something else.

yeah ok, for all your wisdom you're a thorough pessimist :rolleyes: sure, men do suck (sometimes) but i've found it's good to be alone, have you all to yourself and loneliness isn't the bad thing it's often made out to be.

that said though, i hope some stud comes your way. soon.

and makes you big, fat and pregnant :D


cheers :cool:

[element]

well.... this is something you dont read every day....:rolleyes:

how about me & a few friends pay for your travel & accommodation to the UK, ALL EXPENSES COVERED, just think of it as a holiday..... we will pick you up from the airport on the Friday evening & take you back for your return flight on Monday morning, we'll put you up in a 4 star hotel in London & you can shop or whatever it is you reppy's do..

me & a few others would LOVE fist hand evidence of this.....

(oh BTW, if you get here & it turns out your not reptilian we'll kill ya..;))




:)SK

You're just making fun of the situation. :rolleyes:
There's no way someone would do all of that for someone they don't know, or someone who says he is another race...

[octopusrex]

Change the words 'you humans' for 'Jew' or 'Dutch' and you begin to see the problem I have with Lord Reptoid.

I am not a big fan of mankind either. I find that the human animal is the most innoble of all.

[skunksmash]

You're just making fun of the situation. :rolleyes:
There's no way someone would do all of that for someone they don't know, or someone who says he is another race...


mate..... im not making fun at all, I WANT TO BELIEVE as do many others, but without hard ''first hand'' evidence we cant...:(

i would spend no end of money for the truth....


:)SK

[siphon880di]

Your real parents are calling you from an UFO right now. :p

[merlincove]

but you do have a point. i have realised that when angry, a lot of my energy gets drained. we need to enjoy ourselves more, and just basically make love not war :cool: i'm all for it.


this is so true, we can all spend so much time arguing between ourselves, when all we need to do is agree to disagree.

is having the anger and upset and frustration spilling wildly around from one corner to another worthy of a differance of opinion / belief?

The concept of evolution, skunkmash mentioned that he (?) felt it was bullshit, and i tend to agree. i was going to post yesterday, although i couldn't find the words to fit around that, my usual wordiness escapes me at times...

is it plausable that the seperate members of species can evolve simultaniously into bi-ped species, ie reptilian, humans, lionoids. I am kinda reserved on the whole grey thing, as i believe that the race of greys is a genetic 'pet' (no offence ment to anyone) or perhaps a genetic inteligent being created as a slave for certain reptilian / alien races, who themselves may be bi-peds.

The whole bi-ped thing seems very prominant that is all and i think that it is worthy of discussion, perhaps in a new thread?

But back on thread.

Has it been discussed, beyond the concept of a reptilian feeling love, which i am sure that they can, in the same way that humans feel emotive responses to each other and perhaps simians have a lesser response, likewise reptiles (snakes, lizards etc) reflect admiration of a kind that could be likened to the emotions collated within apes etc? - but has the concept of reptilian human relationships been discussed?

shenoma said
but since every male on this planet is not what I want. I will always be alone and devote my life to something else.

and i am sorry shenoma, but i am not up to speed on the where's and why's of that, but i am wondering can and indeed does a cross - species (H/R)relationship work? The mechanics of finding someone on 'our own' wavelength can be difficult enough an experience for anyone let alone for someone with a smaller percentage of none-human species consciousness to link with?

Does then that none-human consciousness /understanding attract and tune into other such consciousnesses, ie draco's would naturaly atune to and attract other draco's? Is there a conscious or unconcious thing that comes into play there, on a psychic level, or 'simply' a knowing?

Respect

[siphon880di]

Evolution is not bs, at least on earth it isn't. Look at actual data before you slander against it.

Every single organism on earth, from the most macro to the most micro organism ever breathing, evolved from bacteria. It's true. There's convergent evolution: Bats and birds share a common ancestor but evolved wings at different times. But DNA changes (specifically rRNA) is at a linear fashion. From the bacteria to the archaeans, to the eukaryotes, to the multi-celluluar eukaryotes, fishes, reptiles, dinosaurs, mammalians, sentient beings like modern humans: their DNA all changed in a linear fashion. If you take a more related relative of mammalians, like reptiles, there is just as much DNA changes as you would expect! And if you take humans and bacteria, which you can easily do by adding up all the relative DNA changes, you'll see that it takes as much DNA changes as you would expect. The rRNA part of DNA does not converge like the wings, but happens at a slow or fast pace relative to each species, and the changes show a ladder with several pitstops to different species that go on new ladders, but no matter which ladder you choose, the amount of DNA changes you compare between a species, and a species of a parallel ladder, or an ancient bacteria, are predictable.

Don't tell me about big foot or aliens (extraterresterial). We don't have their DNA, so you can't slander Darwin just yet. Blasphemy!

[merlincove]

Evolution is not bs, at least on earth it isn't. Look at actual data before you slander against it.

Evolution perse isn't bullshit, no, of course not, i'm just asking whether the theory as taught is bullshit and whether it is possable that more than one species could evolve simultaniously from a quadraped into a biped?

Apes just didn't get up and walk out of the swamp as biped's, and indeed a lot of simian species, although technically biped walk on four legs.

So way back when, when we trace the lineages and genetics back, is it possable that two or more species evolved side by side into one similar biped stock, each inheriting traits of their own generic base construct, ie scales and hair?

And then again, to take it one step further, can we ask if the human race has undergone genetic manipulation, could the homo-erectus / homo-sapien core have been genetically altered by two different species giving two (or more) similar lineages with slightly different characteristics?

just throwing ideas about, that is all :D

[merlincove]

And by bullshit, i am not saying that Darwin was wrong, but that perhaps his 'theory' - and that, despite being commonly accepted is what it is - has been manipulated itself to fit the agenda of keeping us in the dark? Those who win the battles write the history books.

Bits of the theory may have been removed for our own safety. 'Warning: Darwin's Theory of evolution does not come with safety belts.' hehe

[siphon880di]

It seems possible that more than one quad-ped species can simultaneously evolve into bi-peds. Maybe they share the same ecology that encourages this, or maybe because of the global temperature change that there were more batchy food sources than before.

I recommend reading about primate evolution. You can see how different primate species in different enviroments and having derived different traits, were evolving to become bi-peds, but never got there.

But so far we only know about humans because apes have creative minds that made them more incline to expand beyond their horizons, taking lifestyle risks. Consequently, natural selection responds stronger to them. Because lifestyle risks evolved hunting and terresterial migration, sentient beings tend to develop bipedalism.

That was the old theory. Right now the universities are split on this issue.

They've recently found primates that evolved bipedal features before brain expansion. So perhaps they didn't have the brain size to take lifestyle risks. Then what was natural selection responding to? Or is it some sort of mutation phenomenon when you reach a certain point, and the trait just happens to let you outcompete non-bipedals, and then you pass on your genes more successful to future generations? We'll know in time.

[shenoma]

The few men I could had been with was not in the right frame of mind, neither was I truth be told. Yes, we are connected and spot each other out in a public. That is how I found most of them, or wanted to get my freak on with my own kind (mindset) and a few days or weeks later I always got what I wanted. Once I did, I felt they weren't good enough for me and toss them back.

I am sure there has been men that has felt the same way about me, and that is fine. I know what I want and desire and I am not going to settle for less, just out of my own weakness.



Does then that none-human consciousness /understanding attract and tune into other such consciousnesses, ie draco's would naturaly atune to and attract other draco's? Is there a conscious or unconcious thing that comes into play there, on a psychic level, or 'simply' a knowing?

Respect

[skunksmash]

what evidence...?? all they have is a set of ''similar'' bones, so hey they must have evolved, there is 0 evidence to support this theory in modern times either...if there is please link me to it, b/c they certainly don't know a thing in the schools....:rolleyes:

if i walk down the road & i find 2 soda cans..... 1 is blue & in pristine condition & one is red & crushed, even though the two are ''similar'' they are not the same, i will concede that atmospheric changes will alter a species, but i don't think it would create a whole new one.....(but im no scientist)


it is becoming all to likely that ''we'' as humans are a vast genetic mess created by off worlder's, millenia ago, & we NEVER in fact evolved from apes at all, the difference in their genetics is deliberate, to creating that exact species....

i tell you what i find funny.....two family's, one lives in America & one lives in England, both have ABSOLUTELY no ties to each other no matter how far back they trace, yet both families have a daughter that looks identical to the daughter in the other country, & i mean it could be a twin.....:confused:

this happens all the time, & i believe it occurs when some genetic strands get so close, they produce amazing similarity's in complete strangers...


i believe we were created ....not evolved, but that's just me.....;)



:)SK

[shenoma]

I am sorry but it has not been proven, no matter how much some people want it to be. It is still a mere theory, and look up Lucy bones I think it was.

Evolution is not bs, at least on earth it isn't. Look at actual data before you slander against it.

Every single organism on earth, from the most macro to the most micro organism ever breathing, evolved from bacteria. It's true. There's convergent evolution: Bats and birds share a common ancestor but evolved wings at different times. But DNA changes (specifically rRNA) is at a linear fashion. From the bacteria to the archaeans, to the eukaryotes, to the multi-celluluar eukaryotes, fishes, reptiles, dinosaurs, mammalians, sentient beings like modern humans: their DNA all changed in a linear fashion. If you take a more related relative of mammalians, like reptiles, there is just as much DNA changes as you would expect! And if you take humans and bacteria, which you can easily do by adding up all the relative DNA changes, you'll see that it takes as much DNA changes as you would expect. The rRNA part of DNA does not converge like the wings, but happens at a slow or fast pace relative to each species, and the changes show a ladder with several pitstops to different species that go on new ladders, but no matter which ladder you choose, the amount of DNA changes you compare between a species, and a species of a parallel ladder, or an ancient bacteria, are predictable.

Don't tell me about big foot or aliens (extraterresterial). We don't have their DNA, so you can't slander Darwin just yet. Blasphemy!

[siphon880di]

I know what you two are trying to say. Some species have extincted, so we can't possibly have the DNA for them. We can only make inferences from the ancient species that still exist, right?

We do not simply just look at DNA. We look at morphology, behaivoral, and even trace the ecological migrations. The DNA in those ancient species that still exist correspond to the morphologicaly, behaivoral, cological, etc. changes of the ancient species that had extinct. But please do not forget that the DNA changes in rRNA happens at a very linear fashion, between existing species too. Chimps still exist. Yes, now the problem becomes: The prototype human dna is lacking.

Actually we have some DNA of Neanderthals. It was in the news before. Remember they were considering cloning a Neanderthal to see how it behaves. Unfortunately, it use to be big news. Here's the article put into weird news :(

Extinct beasts 'may be resurrected'
http://news.uk.msn.com/odd-news/article.aspx?cp-documentid=12567405

The Neanderthals diverged at some point from our proto-humans. The other lineage that diverged evolved into Homo sapiens in just a few more steps. If aliens had modified our DNA, we would know from the DNA of Neanderthal that something is off because the scale of change would be too far off.

[lordreptoid]

well.... this is something you dont read every day....

how about me & a few friends pay for your travel & accommodation to the UK, ALL EXPENSES COVERED, just think of it as a holiday..... we will pick you up from the airport on the Friday evening & take you back for your return flight on Monday morning, we'll put you up in a 4 star hotel in London & you can shop or whatever it is you reppy's do..

me & a few others would LOVE fist hand evidence of this.....

(oh BTW, if you get here & it turns out your not reptilian we'll kill ya..)

I don't care if you are joking or not, the death threat "humour" is not appreciated and I've lost respect for you, so my offer to you has expired. You don't seem to take yourself very seriously. We're done here, Skunk. Thank-you for your time and and interest.

[siphon880di]

Skunk, you messed it up.

[lordreptoid]

Skunk, you messed it up.

Even kidding around about another witch-hunt towards ANYONE, myself included ("If you fly, we kill you, if you fall to your death, we still kill you") is not a means of gaining my respect or trust - pretty simple (as I keep saying). That door will remain closed for a long time now.

[skunksmash]

oh cmon lordreptoid, it was called humour........

please don't get upset, or feel i am trying to perform a witch hunt...... :rolleyes: i am sorry your offended, farewell...



:)SK

[sabre1]

Geez... I can see most of the humor comes out of the hypnotic box in the corner of the living room.

[measle_weasel]

oh cmon lordreptoid, it was called humour........

please don't get upset, or feel i am trying to perform a witch hunt...... :rolleyes: i am sorry your offended, farewell...

:)SK

I dont see how very many people would find that funny. Replace "reptilian" with some other describing word. Like white, or christian, or straight, or whatever you want.

[skunksmash]

oh look, it was said in jest..... hence the '';)'' parked right next to it....


i was perfectly willing to pay £1000 for clarification, im sure were all aware there would have been no lynching...:rolleyes: but it is a convenient way to back out of giving us proof....??


im not a git, i respect everyones right to believe in what they wish, but im sorry, someone claims to be an alien ''I WOULD LIKE PROOF''


:)SK

[eshtar]

I did not really find that too funny eather. I would not want to just go to people I don't know payed for or not. And that far away? umm no.

[lordreptoid]

Thank you to those who are as wise as I regarding such offers to "kill me", joking or otherwise. Murder and intent to murder are not topics of "light humour".

My offer to the one seeking "physical proof" to make their OWN EFFORT to come and meet me to touch my scales was a serious offer and they blew it. I even added a FREE limousine ride WITH ME (not alone) from the airport. I don't know how much more generous I could be towards skeptics, cynics and rude people... seriously. I give and give and what does a reptoid get in return? Might as well be a verbally abused housewife in the 50's, I'm sure it feels pretty much the same. Seems kindness and honesty are not well recieved amongst many today. It's a shame. Now the deal is off. I tend to prefer to deal with REAL journalists anyway, they are far more adult about their investigations (and detailed in their efforts to be SURE about things before they voice their personal opinions at the END of their documentary, being brave enough to let others make up their OWN MINDS during the bulk of their presentation.)

One step forard, 25 steps backwards. *Applauds* Well done, peaceful ones, don't stop now, you're on a roll towards 2012... tick tock.

[skunksmash]

Thank you to those who are as wise as I regarding such offers to "kill me", joking or otherwise. Murder and intent to murder are not topics of "light humour".

My offer to the one seeking "physical proof" to make their OWN EFFORT to come and meet me to touch my scales was a serious offer and they blew it. I even added a FREE limousine ride WITH ME (not alone) from the airport. I don't know how much more generous I could be towards skeptics, cynics and rude people... seriously. I give and give and what does a reptoid get in return? Might as well be a verbally abused housewife in the 50's, I'm sure it feels pretty much the same. Seems kindness and honesty are not well recieved amongst many today. It's a shame. Now the deal is off. I tend to prefer to deal with REAL journalists anyway, they are far more adult about their investigations (and detailed in their efforts to be SURE about things before they voice their personal opinions at the END of their documentary, being brave enough to let others make up their OWN MINDS during the bulk of their presentation.)

One step forard, 25 steps backwards. *Applauds* Well done, peaceful ones, don't stop now, you're on a roll towards 2012... tick tock.

do i seem rude to you lordreptoid..?? putting aside the admitted bad joke :o, do i seem like an A hole..?? is that how i come across..?? i bloody hope not....

& while im sure you give & give & give it wernt to me, so please allow me to be slightly skeptical..... do you as a reptile believe i as a human should just take it on faith that you could well be the first alien i personally have ever spoke with, im sure you can understand that it is HARD to simply say.....OK, YOUR A REPTILE

can you not stream me the video of yourself & the scales..?? even though that wouldn't be concrete it would certainly be a start...

what do ya reckon lordreptoid ..?? buddy's..?? ;)



:)SK

[siphon880di]

Omg skunk, is that avatar a photo of an actual alien? I think I could feel its aura.

[lordreptoid]

For the curious and the learning:

I have shown my "hybrid chimera scales video" to someone who deserves to see them, someone who's earned my respect over the years. Just showed the video to them today actually. Templekiti could verify this fact and what it takes to earn my respect these days. Perhaps TK can tell you what's required to earn such high regard. Good day.

[pinkfreud]

you can't command respect; you've got to earn it.

looking at the majority of your posts- i'd say your view of respect is conveniently boxed around your personal choice to 'accept' those who only agree with everything you say.

not very loving, imo.

as for TK 'verifying' such evidence- of course she would, she's your friend isn't she? :rolleyes:

that said, she does come across as a nice person, and she's someone i would be equally courteous with.

and SK, go easy on yourself.

[johnthejedi24]

I think he was just messing around with the "kill you" part Lordreptoid. We are a pretty violent/morbid species so expect stuff like this from us.:p Although if I spent almost 1000 bucks on going to Canada and found out you are not a big lizard, I would be kind of ticked too. I wouldn't kill you though, just Sue:D. Hell, I am/was a member of the Ogrish forum and that has pretty much desensitized me to most suffering I am sorry to say:(. There is only so many times you can see someones brain lying next to them on their car seat and go...whatever BORING/POSTED BEFORE.:((Yeah kind of sad isn't it?) Thankfully I am past that stage in my life and have not been back there for a number of months.

I gave up going there because of the fucked up people on that site. Although some of the members are MDs and Doctors and they have some "interesting" observations...fascinating sometimes actually.

[lordreptoid]

I think he was just messing around with the "kill you" part Lordreptoid.

Perhaps not the best way to gain my trust, true enough. Better to keep tasteless jokes to best friends, which he and I are not.

We are a pretty violent/morbid species so expect stuff like this from us.

Are you kidding me? ;) I have a dark sense of humour beyond most, but I do not share it with strangers because they get the wrong idea, it's not a gentleman's way to be... but it's there alright.

Although if I spent almost 1000 bucks on going to Canada and found out you are not a big lizard, I would be kind of ticked too.

Made no such promise... only to come pet my scales and interview me and then decide whatever they want about me after meeting others like me as well. I am a hybrid/chimera, not some shape-shifter as anyone can tell you who's known me either in person or however. Don't ready additional words into my original posting and public offer. Mincing words can be a high offence with reptoids, not just me. Refer to the original please. *nods*

I wouldn't kill you though, just Sue.

Good point. Sign a waiver with me first... I'll keep that in mind for any future offers I make anyone to meet me for themselves first hand in which to touch my body and pet my physical scales. :)

Hell, I am/was a member of the Ogrish forum and that has pretty much desensitized me to most suffering I am sorry to say.

Sounds like a frightful place to avoid. Still, never been there, so I can't judge.

There is only so many times you can see someones brain lying next to them on their car seat and go...whatever BORING/POSTED BEFORE.(Yeah kind of sad isn't it?) Thankfully I am past that stage in my life and have not been back there for a number of months.

*nods listening*

I gave up going there because of the fucked up people on that site. Although some of the members are MDs and Doctors and they have some "interesting" observations...fascinating sometimes actually.

It's always a give/take with information exchange, it's true. I knew what it might be like here for instance, and I took that risk just the same. :) Met some great people here so far... no comment about the critics (using a VERY polite term for them). ;)

By the way, your reptoid depiction there is drawn by someone who interviewed me about my experiences... his name is David Chase. Good fella... focuses only on the artistic depiction side of things. I have a few of his works here and there. :)

[measle_weasel]

I think he was just messing around with the "kill you" part Lordreptoid. We are a pretty violent/morbid species so expect stuff like this from us.:p

Expect that stuff from who? What species? Homo sapien? Ive expected such things for many years now. And I am not reptilian, as far as I know.

Its not really a conundrum. The majority of humanity tends towards self-destruction. I applaud those who can transcend this tendancy, though, and there are some who do. Some of those who do, become some of the greatest people we know in history.

[shenoma]

This is for you lordreptoid:

Sunshine and Chocolate
http://www.last.fm/music/Semisonic/_/Sunshine+and+Chocolate?autostart

or
http://www.ilike.com/artist/Semisonic/track/Sunshine+%2526+Chocolate

All my life I've been looking for
The perfect mate
And when I finally found the one
It was almost too late
Underneath the auditorium
She showed me why
I would have waited all of my life
For somebody like

Sunshine and chocolate all over me
In my mouth and on my tree
Round my body under my hat
Sunshine and chocolate just... like... that

I was alone when I woke up
And found the note
It said you surely know how to fuck
But I gotta go
I hope you find someone to take care of
And give yourself to
And until I get to kiss you again I wish you

Sunshine and chocolate every day
In your work and in your play
In your mouth and down your back
I wish you, I wish you, I wish you that
Sunshine and chocolate all over you
Over everything you do
On your body and in your mind
Sunshine, chocolate, everything fine

Now my eyes are open wide
As I travel around
Maybe some summer day I'll find
Her face in the crowd singing...

Sunshine and chocolate everyday
In your work and in your play
In your mouth and down your back
I wish you, I wish you, I wish you that
Sunshine and chocolate all over you
Over everything you do
On your body and in your mind
Sunshine, chocolate, everything fine

[lordreptoid]

Shenoma,

Thank-you kindly for the reptilian love. :)

I cannot reply however because my over-abundance of music of all variety makes for some tough choices in which to chose from in order to reply properly. 1000 CDs from years of rare audio art collecting and radio show producing (oh, and DJing at special private clubs and events) has me unable to chose a response that is worthy without flooding this page, which I won't do. Too many to chose from. :) Lyrics are never enough for me either, I have to share the sounds themselves as that's what it's all about for me more than text, even when sung so deliciously. Perhaps just some nice positive encouragement to track down "Just a dream" by Delerium and listen to it yourself is enough to mention in passing by. :) "I've never seen colours so beautiful." Interestingly it comes from an album called "Chimera". ;) Shshshhh, just a coincidence I used to work alongside Bill Leeb and many others years ago at Nettwerk records. Heheheh. No really, wasn't my idea for a title, but when I saw it on the shelves when I no longer worked there I had to laugh and wonder who else overheard some of my social conversations back then. It's a powerful word with deep meaning in so many ways. Enjoy. Means a lot to me anyway. Delerium is fantastic for the most part and have a very dual natured musical history. I've got everything they've ever released... I think.

[shenoma]

You are welcome. To me the song means that even though you can't be with the person you wished for, you can still wish them well with happiness (Sunshine) and joy (Chocolate). I liked your song choice, its kind of haunting beauty to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd7W-i7eCPE

I found this to be a good song with their best video I have watched so far:
Delerium - "Incantation" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFR19X6GSVg

Shenoma,

Thank-you kindly for the reptilian love. :)

I cannot reply however because my over-abundance of music of all variety makes for some tough choices in which to chose from in order to reply properly. 1000 CDs from years of rare audio art collecting and radio show producing (oh, and DJing at special private clubs and events) has me unable to chose a response that is worthy without flooding this page, which I won't do. Too many to chose from. :) Lyrics are never enough for me either, I have to share the sounds themselves as that's what it's all about for me more than text, even when sung so deliciously. Perhaps just some nice positive encouragement to track down "Just a dream" by Delerium and listen to it yourself is enough to mention in passing by. :) "I've never seen colours so beautiful." Interestingly it comes from an album called "Chimera". ;) Shshshhh, just a coincidence I used to work alongside Bill Leeb and many others years ago at Nettwerk records. Heheheh. No really, wasn't my idea for a title, but when I saw it on the shelves when I no longer worked there I had to laugh and wonder who else overheard some of my social conversations back then. It's a powerful word with deep meaning in so many ways. Enjoy. Means a lot to me anyway. Delerium is fantastic for the most part and have a very dual natured musical history. I've got everything they've ever released... I think.

[lordreptoid]

How could anyone fall in love with a reptilian alien? ...especially when this being is clearly in the dominant role?

"And everytime I forget those things you bring them right back to me
With your patience
When I'm blinding mad
And your passion
When I'm really, really bad
And your eyes
Taking in everything I am
And your body and soul and the way that you know
How I treasure you

On an ordinary day
The extraordinary way
You take what I can give and you treasure it
On an ordinary day
The extraordinary way
You turn to me and say, I believe in this

That makes me lucky
God, I'm lucky, so much luckier than I ever thought I'd be
'Cause what I have
Means so very little to this world
A promise that I kept and a bridge that I saved before it burned
The sacrifice that I made
Brought me to my knees
A choice that cost me everything and set somebody else free
But what I have
Is the value that you see in these things

On an ordinary day
The extraordinary way
You take what I can give and you treasure it
On an ordinary day
The extraordinary way
You turn to me and say, I believe in this"

The gift of giving of one's self unto another is far more transformative than any other gift. Giving freely, completely and totally, without restraint, brings one into a state of love beyond all others. To trigger this gift into realization is an act of angelic intervention. When two minds are ONE in that very moment, this is a most transformative reality for both - a bond throughout time that cannot be broken for it is cosmic and eternal. This kind of love is transformative eternal. Fear gives way to love and the devils and demons are often merely angels trying to free your soul from the blind limitation of darkness to bring you back into the light of a higher truth.

My beloved: "Take me, for I am already yours, my love. I am your gift to treasure, enjoy and care for however you wish. Let us never feel alone in the cosmos ever again, for we have always been here as one. As we open our eyes together, the illusion of separation ends. We are one and the same in this dance, my beloved, and I release us both from illusion as you do the same for me... My delight of delights, please do not stop now, no do not even hesitate in your passion for a moment even in knowing the very reason for our existence as one creation at the center of all that is... you have my consent and blessing to continue fulfilling your nature as I fulfil mine in mutual symbiotic union. I love you."

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=11xt6Fu7xFM
Conjure one "Extraordinary way" - A song of loving dedication from a living gift to the other half of themselves.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=4MvwIts2VVM&feature=related
Conjure one "Center of the sun" - I shall return, my love.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aiXBz3eyek0
Conjure one "Endless dream" - "That is when we'll dream a dream where I am you and you are me and that's where I know love."

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=o9sF-8_S2M0
Conjure one "Face the music" - Why do spirits chose to reincarnate? What is the real difference between pleasure and pain? What makes you turn around and do it all again? What's the attraction to see the world through a different set of eyes? :)

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ugnv-h343gI
Conjure one "Sleep" - Soul mates exist, like all things in the multiverse, in more than one form. :) This one goes out to all my mates of all kinds. Thank you for the love eternal and the companionship.

"In my thoughts
See with my sight
I'm so tired
But I fight
Sleep with me tonight..
Sleep with me tonight..

Drown out the machinery in my head
Bring your peace of mind to my bed

Without sleep, there are no dreams
Without dreams
We fall apart at the seams..

Kindred spirit of candle light
I won't sleep unless you
Sleep with me tonight
Deep with me tonight.."

[lordreptoid]

I found this to be a good song with their best video I have watched so far:
Delerium - "Incantation" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFR19X6GSVg

Shenoma,

I used to work at Nettwerk when we put that one out. Neat huh? I didn't work on the audio or video myself directly however. You might like the Delerium "Aria" video with the "medaeval babes" (their name for themselves) in it. :D DELICIOUS!

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=d2i1mQahs2c

Still always partial to this one - used to DJ this at a few clubs in the chill out lizard lounge. Very tribal! I like that. :D
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=046uwk0miGU

Of course Sarah McLachlan sings in this rare appearance in a Delerium song. It's just a "fan video" however. If you ever meet up send my regards from the Purple Dragon from the Solace years. ("Days by the photocopier")
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=zvqlI0Hv9f4

[siphon880di]

If you really did that then you're a talented person and I envy you.

[lordreptoid]

If you really did that then you're a talented person and I envy you.

*Looking at you curiously* Who was that question to? I didn't do any of those videos myself, but I have done remixes and produced a few bands in my days, most vanished or went on to other things, as most do. No one famous. Even produced a mid 90's rap band (that was oddly fun). I did work along side Sarah and she remembers me well. :) I used to promote her music in Canada in the begining. Also had friends in Skinny Puppy (Dwayne Goettel (RIP), cEvin Key, Download, etc), Frontline assembly (Bill Leeb, and all their side projects - IE" Conjure one, Delerium, etc) - That sort of thing. Nothing major, just knew everyone well enough to have fun together along the way and schmooze with the rest of them. :) Before Dwayne died though we were talking about a special dual project together, him and I. That could have been great fun... he used to play me his latest stuff over the phone as we talked about sound ideas (and some "unsound" ones as well, of course, mouahahaa). Really sweet fellow with a wicked dark sense of humour (IE: "Skinny puppy acting in their own b-grade horror movies just for the FUN of it") - A girl I dated for a while who heard me on a radio show later ended up with Dwayne... I said nothing... and that was not good for him, poor guy. She was "doing stuff" his body was not used to and got him into it too, that's what got him in the end... Glad I dumped her when I did before she got me into that crap (hate to say it but it's just the truth, heroin is a bad scene, avoid it completely! Going beyond what grows naturally on the ground on comes from a tree (etc) can be a bad idea usually - refining anything is dangerous if it's already potent naturally). I still feel rather upset about that, you know.. the whole "what if I said something?" thing... risk our friendship to save his life... *sighs* Anyway... I've been around the Holly-weird-north scene a long time now, yes. It's dark and twisted unfortunately. Little money there for anyone unless you're a "big time playa" (and a cruel shark). Obviously I'm not there, never really got into it that deeply, but I am a hard core audiophile and a top grad from my audio university in engineering. :D I still DJ sometimes, adding my own remixes into the set.

About envy: Please don't be. Just enjoy the show and get what you can from everything in life and if you really like something, give it a try, a really good try. :) If it fails, do it again anyway and laugh back at any critics who try to tear you down. ;) My remixes are not "top 10" but they are damned sweet and I like 'em jus the same, and so do most everyone who hears them... it's just a marketing issue and lack of promotions (ohhhh, the irony of my occupation while at Nettwerk, LOL) :D Try anything and everything for yourself... you may surprise yourself sometimes, it's fun.

PS: cEvin Key and I both were avid 10 pin bowlers and shared a 210 average (professional level averages) between us - you can imagine the instant schmooze effect that has between new friends and co-workers. LOL :D A couple of bowlers meeting at a staff studio party talking sports non-stop with a drink in each of our hands, laughing it up. As a professional sound-artist and album producer, cEvin is a total GENIUS! *bowing to the master*

When I DJ it's more along these lines of art and artists (IE: "Earth tribe = Hearts of space" fusion blended with "experimental" and even some "darkwave", and always some classic electronic from the 70's such as Tangerine Dream or Klaus Schulze):
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=etoLHpbFuqU <--- Steve Roach.

OK this is off-topic I know, just wanted to answer your curiosities. :) Is that cool?

[lordreptoid]

For you, Shenoma. Thank-you for this thread. :) *hugs*

Reptoid love: "My god! Your mind is SO BEAUTIFUL! Is this what you've been trying to tell me... to get me to open up to? It's so beautiful... thank-you. I don't want to leave. Dream with me... please. I don't want to forget this moment, ever."

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=h2WoxRq-aeo <--- Steve Roach and Kevin Braheny - "The Other Side" (A classic from way back)

Watch for your special message at just before the 6 minute mark. Coincidence? Perhaps.

And for all the other kind hearted ET souls and Earthly friends amongst us who are just as fearless as we are...

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=WM7uFFc3W_I

A planet we all agree is worth protecting and watching over.

[shenoma]

To see past sins and mistakes to something more.
We all have spots we would rather ignore.
We all want to love.
We all have worries.
We all have enemies.
We all have lovers.
We all have doubts.
We all have faith.
We all have heartache.
We all have desires.
We all have so much.
We all have so little.
We all have hurt.
We all have comfort.
We all have hate.
We all have love, if only we could realize it before it is to late.

[demonlover]

This thread is awesome! I've read almost all posts for three hours. Love and hate are in humans as well as ET's.

[shenoma]

We are born of stardust and we are the same and yet, different at the same time.

This thread is awesome! I've read almost all posts for three hours. Love and hate are in humans as well as ET's.

[siphon880di]

We are born of stardust and we are the same and yet, different at the same time.

Sorry to break it to you, but that actually doesn't mean anything. We are all made up of elements from space, and from the planet that was created from stardust, and all elements are made up of the same protons, neutrons, and electrons, and there are only over 100 types of elements.

And according to one of the most popular theories among astronomists, we use to be all one energy before it divided into several types of energy that purported to the Big Bang.

[shenoma]

We are nothing, so it does make sense.


Sorry to break it to you, but that actually doesn't mean anything. We are all made up of elements from space, and from the planet that was created from stardust, and all elements are made up of the same protons, neutrons, and electrons, and there are only over 100 types of elements.

And according to one of the most popular theories among astronomists, we use to be all one energy before it divided into several types of energy that purported to the Big Bang.

[siphon880di]

We are nothing, so it does make sense.

Trust me. That's a very subjective statement. I know I exist because I think.

[merlincove]

Trust me. That's a very subjective statement. I know I exist because I think.

This is the same as if there is no one to hear the tree fall in the forest does it make a sound?

it only makes a sound if there is someone / something there to hear it. If it falls and there is no one to hear it, that it made a sound is pure conjecture as there is no absolute proof of sound. and of course 'sound' itself is only the reaction of colliding molecules conecting with the surface of an ear drum, without the presence of an ear drum we can assume that those colliding molecules (if they existed for agin there is no proof as such) didn't meet with an ear drum because there was no one there...

The only proof we have of someone elses thought is the word of that person. Even machines which record brain activity can not be trusted when we asert to the concept that the act of observing has a direct correlation to the object being observed and how it then interacts with us.

Can we realy know that we think, or do we believe that we think?

i agree with you sipphon, but there is a very logical arguement against pretty much any given and apparent understanding.

We are All, we are nothing. Zen kinda does that thing all the time. Because everything is interlinked, because we are all created essentially from the core building blocks of reality we are at the same time all and nothing. How can we be substantial in the face of such a huge diversity, and yet because that diversity is within us we are both all and nothing at the same time.

But then if it is all just an illusion, and the only truth is infinate love, then we are infinate love because we are - and the illusion is purely of our own making, created for the sole purpose of enabling us to understand ourselves and that we are infinate love itself. Hate, fear, manifestation, adoration, ego, thought, conceptualism, writing, reading, sex, pleasure, pain, boredom, freedom, imprisonment, thinking, knowing, understanding, learning, if everything is an illusion, then all those are concepts within the illusion to detract us from the truth of the matter. And yet we can say that all those are real when we feel that we have experienced them?

With, then, the unreal concievance of thinking we believe (again belief as well as thinking, is illusary) that we are none of the things that are illusion, we are 'simply' infinate love, then we are nothing because the only thing that exists is infinate love and we are that essence, therefore we are everything / we are all.

makes ya head hurt don't it?

So what is truth? illusion?

peace

[measle_weasel]

We are nothing, so it does make sense.

"Nothing" is an abstract concept that does not exist in concrete reality, so if you were really nothing, then you wouldnt have been able to manifest yourself in this concrete reality to post the message you just did. But since you did post that message, you are infact, something.

Sorry to break it to all the new-agers, but you all exist, and will never stop existing. Tough break :rolleyes:

[shenoma]

The emptiness of one's mind is ancient practiced. We are nothing, most of this universe is 99% empty space, and the rest is just spinning stardust called life.

"Nothing" is an abstract concept that does not exist in concrete reality, so if you were really nothing, then you wouldnt have been able to manifest yourself in this concrete reality to post the message you just did. But since you did post that message, you are infact, something.

Sorry to break it to all the new-agers, but you all exist, and will never stop existing. Tough break :rolleyes:

[siphon880di]

Yes, all the elements came from stardust, but all the stardust came from the Big Bang. How do you know before the Big Bang there was consciousness at all?

Because you can think and feel? If we had evolved from simians, we derived immense creativity and IQ points so that we can cope with changing environments. As our simian ancestors had expanded brains, they were more likely to travel out of their home range to different habitats that would inspire their creativity and intelligence to adapt.

Just as primorial biological information storage structures (RNA) found an advantage in self-replication so that all species today reproduces asexually or sexually, our simian lineages found an advantage in adapting not just genetically, but intellectually and creatively in the synapses-biological information storage structure (the brain).

But I admit I use to be very psychic. Perhaps that is just a brain function in itself and have nothing to do with consciousness.

The emptiness of one's mind is ancient practiced. We are nothing, most of this universe is 99% empty space, and the rest is just spinning stardust called life.

[measle_weasel]

The emptiness of one's mind is ancient practiced. We are nothing, most of this universe is 99% empty space, and the rest is just spinning stardust called life.

I guess thats your choice to be nothing. Free will and all. Ill choose to be more than nothing, though :)

[siphon880di]

I guess thats your choice to be nothing. Free will and all. Ill choose to be more than nothing, though :)

You're right. Buddhism teaches you not to be attached to the physical world, but be nothing and even give up your materialistic items and to be free from a shelter going around homeless. At some point in time, Christianity was even used to promote the same thing: material and riches are evil, non-material and humbleness saint. I do not buy into that. If the NWO does exist and comes to proclaim their sovereignty, I bet their religion will promote this again.

In anticipation of the inevitable: Some folks will just say "you're not spiritually developed enough to grasp the concepts." Sounds like a cop-out. I grasp what she's saying very well.

She's saying that the material world is an illusion because it's not as concrete as our true existence which is that we are nobody, that we are nothing, and everything is nothing. Then what's the point? That's the problem with this type of philosophy: (1) can be used as a way to guilt sheeps into being complacent (2) you can't disprove nothingness, nor can you disprove everythingness. The latter comes from a philosphical question of whether we live in the matrix and we're being controlled by robots. You can't prove that since every single thought you have would have been stimulated by these robots, and you cannot escape it; even if you think you do astrally, then how do you know those are not sensations stimulated by the robots.

[shenoma]

Everything and nothing, is One in the same, there for, we are being just human.

You're right. Buddhism teaches you not to be attached to the physical world, but be nothing and even give up your materialistic items and to be free from a shelter going around homeless. At some point in time, Christianity was even used to promote the same thing: material and riches are evil, non-material and humbleness saint. I do not buy into that. If the NWO does exist and comes to proclaim their sovereignty, I bet their religion will promote this again.

In anticipation of the inevitable: Some folks will just say "you're not spiritually developed enough to grasp the concepts." Sounds like a cop-out. I grasp what she's saying very well.

She's saying that the material world is an illusion because it's not as concrete as our true existence which is that we are nobody, that we are nothing, and everything is nothing. Then what's the point? That's the problem with this type of philosophy: (1) can be used as a way to guilt sheeps into being complacent (2) you can't disprove nothingness, nor can you disprove everythingness. The latter comes from a philosphical question of whether we live in the matrix and we're being controlled by robots. You can't prove that since every single thought you have would have been stimulated by these robots, and you cannot escape it; even if you think you do astrally, then how do you know those are not sensations stimulated by the robots.

[siphon880di]

Everything and nothing, is One in the same, there for, we are being just human.

Okay what's the practical application of this? I know I'm human and I'm on earth. Are you saying we should love and accept all reptilians? Love and accept nwo and let them do what they do? And if someone comes at you with a knife you should let him with love?

[measle_weasel]

In anticipation of the inevitable: Some folks will just say "you're not spiritually developed enough to grasp the concepts." Sounds like a cop-out. I grasp what she's saying very well.


Yes, someone will say that. Just because you dont believe what they believe, you arent as "advanced" spiritually as them. No different than the attitudes of any other religious institution, really.

I highly doubt many new-agers really understand what it is they are saying. The flashy words and concepts, and rebelion against mainstream religion and thought is good enough for most of them.

She's saying that the material world is an illusion because it's not as concrete as our true existence which is that we are nobody, that we are nothing, and everything is nothing. Then what's the point?

Indeed. Whats the point.

Theyll never be able to answer that question sufficiently, as if there was no point, that would mean there was no objectivity in reality, meaning that nothing really mattered, and if nothing really mattered, then there would have been no reason for the universe to come into existence in the first place, and it would simply not have. Though since it has, a paradox has arisen, in which no one is able to provide anything more than new-age cliche to answer.

Of course, everything new age is based on logical paradox, so really, theres no effective means by which to argue points with such people. Theyll just keep coming back to rely on paradox to explain why some other paradox is really a valid concept, no matter how illogical it is.

I believe ultimately there are two directions you can move towards, and all beings are free to move towards either. You can move toward the infinitely small, or tend towards nothingness, zero, or you can move towards the infinitely large, and tend towards... well, just that, the truly infinite, which is inherently undefinable, and greater than anything and everything imaginable. I like to call this true infinity, God, who is objective truth, and in being objective, fulfils the only requisite required to give reality meaning, hence existence.

Since things can be at differing distances from the objective truth, duality is created, whether people like to believe it or not. The duality is between 0, and infinity, or rather the tending towards one or the other, and we can all choose which way to take ourselves towards. One provides ever diminishing returns, and the other grants never ending exponential gains. Though just like the accretion disc around a black hole, 0 can appear very bright and inviting, and seemingly the right way to go. But at its core lies something very different than was advertised; the only thing there is a bottomless void, devoid of love, joy, and happiness.



I once had a momentary glimpse of the Abyss. "Oneness", "all that is", "nothingness", is far different than what its said to be, and the whole picture is never given. You people who seek this "nothing" dont know what "nothing" is. The only thing thats waiting for you in that place is eternal despair and unimaginable horror as you realize your existence is eternal, yet your reality finite, and your potential ever dwindling. Of course, I dont expect many to take my words at face value.

The Abyss wont hide from you, if you want to see it for yourself. Though I garuntee you, youll never be the same afterwards, and if you dont have an opposing force to act against it, its vision will crush you.

[mountain]

Yes, someone will say that. Just because you dont believe what they believe, you arent as "advanced" spiritually as them. No different than the attitudes of any other religious institution, really.

I highly doubt many new-agers really understand what it is they are saying. The flashy words and concepts, and rebelion against mainstream religion and thought is good enough for most of them.



Indeed. Whats the point.

Theyll never be able to answer that question sufficiently, as if there was no point, that would mean there was no objectivity in reality, meaning that nothing really mattered, and if nothing really mattered, then there would have been no reason for the universe to come into existence in the first place, and it would simply not have. Though since it has, a paradox has arisen, in which no one is able to provide anything more than new-age cliche to answer.

Of course, everything new age is based on logical paradox, so really, theres no effective means by which to argue points with such people. Theyll just keep coming back to rely on paradox to explain why some other paradox is really a valid concept, no matter how illogical it is.

I believe ultimately there are two directions you can move towards, and all beings are free to move towards either. You can move toward the infinitely small, or tend towards nothingness, zero, or you can move towards the infinitely large, and tend towards... well, just that, the truly infinite, which is inherently undefinable, and greater than anything and everything imaginable. I like to call this true infinity, God, who is objective truth, and in being objective, fulfils the only requisite required to give reality meaning, hence existence.

Since things can be at differing distances from the objective truth, duality is created, whether people like to believe it or not. The duality is between 0, and infinity, or rather the tending towards one or the other, and we can all choose which way to take ourselves towards. One provides ever diminishing returns, and the other grants never ending exponential gains. Though just like the accretion disc around a black hole, 0 can appear very bright and inviting, and seemingly the right way to go. But at its core lies something very different than was advertised; the only thing there is a bottomless void, devoid of love, joy, and happiness.



I once had a momentary glimpse of the Abyss. "Oneness", "all that is", "nothingness", is far different than what its said to be, and the whole picture is never given. You people who seek this "nothing" dont know what "nothing" is. The only thing thats waiting for you in that place is eternal despair and unimaginable horror as you realize your existence is eternal, yet your reality finite, and your potential ever dwindling. Of course, I dont expect many to take my words at face value.

The Abyss wont hide from you, if you want to see it for yourself. Though I garuntee you, youll never be the same afterwards, and if you dont have an opposing force to act against it, its vision will crush you.

WOW! Very powerful message!

I must say that last paragragh gave me a bit of a chill... brrrr lol :D

[merlincove]

Yes, someone will say that. Just because you dont believe what they believe, you arent as "advanced" spiritually as them. No different than the attitudes of any other religious institution, really.

I highly doubt many new-agers really understand what it is they are saying. The flashy words and concepts, and rebelion against mainstream religion and thought is good enough for most of them.



Indeed. Whats the point.

Theyll never be able to answer that question sufficiently, as if there was no point, that would mean there was no objectivity in reality, meaning that nothing really mattered, and if nothing really mattered, then there would have been no reason for the universe to come into existence in the first place, and it would simply not have. Though since it has, a paradox has arisen, in which no one is able to provide anything more than new-age cliche to answer.

Of course, everything new age is based on logical paradox, so really, theres no effective means by which to argue points with such people. Theyll just keep coming back to rely on paradox to explain why some other paradox is really a valid concept, no matter how illogical it is.

I believe ultimately there are two directions you can move towards, and all beings are free to move towards either. You can move toward the infinitely small, or tend towards nothingness, zero, or you can move towards the infinitely large, and tend towards... well, just that, the truly infinite, which is inherently undefinable, and greater than anything and everything imaginable. I like to call this true infinity, God, who is objective truth, and in being objective, fulfils the only requisite required to give reality meaning, hence existence.

Since things can be at differing distances from the objective truth, duality is created, whether people like to believe it or not. The duality is between 0, and infinity, or rather the tending towards one or the other, and we can all choose which way to take ourselves towards. One provides ever diminishing returns, and the other grants never ending exponential gains. Though just like the accretion disc around a black hole, 0 can appear very bright and inviting, and seemingly the right way to go. But at its core lies something very different than was advertised; the only thing there is a bottomless void, devoid of love, joy, and happiness.



I once had a momentary glimpse of the Abyss. "Oneness", "all that is", "nothingness", is far different than what its said to be, and the whole picture is never given. You people who seek this "nothing" dont know what "nothing" is. The only thing thats waiting for you in that place is eternal despair and unimaginable horror as you realize your existence is eternal, yet your reality finite, and your potential ever dwindling. Of course, I dont expect many to take my words at face value.

The Abyss wont hide from you, if you want to see it for yourself. Though I garuntee you, youll never be the same afterwards, and if you dont have an opposing force to act against it, its vision will crush you.

Yeah, a brilliant post MW, deep.

i feel that you are refering to 'new agers' and their hypothesis of belief? If so, yes it can be very destructive. And i feel that we have to be wary of anyone who says things like 'oh, you are not ready to understand the truths i speak of / you are not as spiritually aware / learned' etc, because ultimately these people don't understand the 'lessons' themselves and are simply repeating parot fashion what they have been told is right.

Spiritual enlightenment is at the end of the day about spreading wisdom, not percieved wisdom but wisdom gained from truth, and moreover from that it is about allowing others to choose their own path that is true to their heart and being and their own caling. Inposing ones own ideas upon someone in the name of enlightenment is an Ego calling on behalf of the tutor.

i was looking at some of Bruce Lee's words, as i feel that he was a great teacher of philosophy, and i personally would liken him to many of the great sages of our time, although he was in essesnce a warrior he was a great techer of Self, and i liked these words so much (tho they were too long to put into a sig, lol)

I believe in having a few pupils at one time as it requires a constant alert observation of each individual in order to establish a direct relationship. A good teacher can never be fixed in a routine... each moment requires a sensitive mind that is constantly changing and constantly adapting.
A teacher must never impose this student to fit his favourite pattern; a good teacher functions as a pointer, exposing his student's vulnerability (and) causing him to explore both internally and finally integrating himself with his being.

A true teacher and master allows the master to be present in everyone and not to follow a doctrine of Self replication / guru worship. This is i feel where the New Age falls foul of itself.

i would say that i am a new ager, altho i don't follow its rule of self illumination at the expense of others. Maybe those who do, those who seek that guru fellowship ar themselves reflecting that abyss that you speak of measel?

i would like to hear more of your experiences of the abyss, would you care to share?

Are you suggesting that those who seek enlightenment thru new age philosophy are being conned into moving toward the 0 point where nothing exists? the apposing point then, the #n contains all, all knowing, all feeling, all inteligence. my own concept of enlightenment is that it is here where my voyage is taking me, that life is created to explore the whole of conceptional everything, to experience all in its wonder and beauty and in its degredation (if you choose to), pain and suffering.

The NWo then, fits into that as a learning tool, extrapulating the negative attitudes throughout reality in order for the enlightenment to continue, to stop it from stagnating.

Do we need a different thread for this, it is getting deep now.

peace

[siphon880di]

I'll quote you in another thread and continue the discussion there. This topic deserves a thread. And we can't get this thread's subject sidetracked.

[shenoma]

This entire fabric of reality is made of pure and impure energy. Yin and yang thing, where there is black a little white is there, where there is white a little bit of blackness.

Duality it is, I guess.

[merlincove]

i think duality exists for the puropse of learning, we would not be able to learn without it.

Where conflict exists there exists a need for peace. Without conflict there would be no facet to learn from and there would be little appreciation for peace.

Only from resistance can we trully understand release.

i was watching the Dalai Lama today on dvd, filmed during his talks in Nottingham last year, and he said something very similar.

i will watch again and hopefully be able to post his words tomorrow :D

[shenoma]

I don't care what he thinks or says to be honest. I would rather hear more of your thoughts, my friend.:)

i think duality exists for the puropse of learning, we would not be able to learn without it.

Where conflict exists there exists a need for peace. Without conflict there would be no facet to learn from and there would be little appreciation for peace.

Only from resistance can we trully understand release.

i was watching the Dalai Lama today on dvd, filmed during his talks in Nottingham last year, and he said something very similar.

i will watch again and hopefully be able to post his words tomorrow :D

[merlincove]

Thank you Shenoma :-)

i often find the words from His Holiness trully enlightening, he is a real person and speaks of a real and honest truth and moves from the heart.

And i think that the Dalia lama echoed the words of Buddah when he said My religion is copassion.

i'll stop with the quotting now tho, and try to get myself back into thread, lol

But i think that when we start from that kind of standpoint of understanding without judgement, we allow ourselves to see beyond the barries that the forces of control have made to bring seperation to bare a toll of tyranny upon the people of the earth.

And i guess that in itself is learning to understand love in its purest form, no matter where the begin point is, no matter what colour, creed, species is encountering that experience, it allows for a learning and a reflection, that self apreciation and the eviction of negative attitudes / vibrations to allow the love of self to reflect outwards into a love of all.

Am just an old hippie at heart :rolleyes:

:D

Respect

[shenoma]

It is all good.
Thank you Shenoma :-)

i often find the words from His Holiness trully enlightening, he is a real person and speaks of a real and honest truth and moves from the heart.

And i think that the Dalia lama echoed the words of Buddah when he said My religion is copassion.

i'll stop with the quotting now tho, and try to get myself back into thread, lol

But i think that when we start from that kind of standpoint of understanding without judgement, we allow ourselves to see beyond the barries that the forces of control have made to bring seperation to bare a toll of tyranny upon the people of the earth.

And i guess that in itself is learning to understand love in its purest form, no matter where the begin point is, no matter what colour, creed, species is encountering that experience, it allows for a learning and a reflection, that self apreciation and the eviction of negative attitudes / vibrations to allow the love of self to reflect outwards into a love of all.

Am just an old hippie at heart :rolleyes:

:D

Respect

[samtak]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52245&page=7

This is a link to an experience I had with a Watcher. We have to remember that it is entirely possible that we exist on the head of a pin inside the massive sewing basket of some great being we will never comprehend or see or know... this is the problem religion and science and all other doctrines that promise answers tries to solve. We don't know where we come from. We don't know where we are going. And there's a good chance we never will. Whether or not there are other species that can "see" us without us seeing them is almost as irrelevant as their intentions. I beleive there are. I beleive also, that it is more likely that those who know these creatures exist are content for we who are suspicious of their existence to think the reptillians (or whatever we choose to call them) are controlling us; when, in fact, it is mere, basic, dirty human greed that binds us all to our physical world, and thereby, to all the problems within it.

Would it not be worth asking: if there are both "Watchers" and "Draconians" existing together on a separate plane from ourselves, could our perception of their actions towards us be total misinterpretations of their efforts to move us beyond our physical potential? Imagine the watchers as kindly teachers, guiding us towards enlightenment (the mentality the bible struggles to attribute to 'jesus') and the draconians as angry, impatient teachers, tired of our stupitdity - our "denseness" that prevents us from evolving further (attributes even more clumsily attached to Satan, and worse, to evil).

Furthermore, isn't it worth wondering why we, who are so driven to look outside of simple dichotomous relationships in politics and society for answers, are so bent on limiting our most important questions about who these inter-dimensional, or other-worldly entities are, as simple "good-guy or bad-guy" questions?

[shenoma]

bumped

[thelyran]

You have no idea what I had to put up back in the olden days of the past forum. I was cursed at, belittle because of my sex, and even got one or two death threats. The times I fired back only served to give them attention and lower my self to their level. I got mad, but in the end it taught me not to respond in childish ways when people mistreat you.

I learn to start my own threads, keep to them, and not bothering no one else. In time people came to rally around, sort of, and some even bother to defend me. I didn't have to ask for support from anyone, I let people judge me and other's by our actions. Life is not fair and the bad guys get away with stuff, you can't take things so personal in life.

I was better served by letting go of dumb shit, and enjoyed the old friendships I made back in those days. I even inspired one woman for being so open about my past lives, and putting up with the crap without complaining about it. It is something to think is all I am saying.

...something you forgot in your search for revenge...have a nice holiday...

[shenoma]

http://www.cosmographica.com/gallery/portfolio_main/albums/userpics/normal_384_FormingSolarSystem.jpg

Until we are reborn my unknown lover.

[open mind]

Wow, just wow...

Some very interesting reading.
Just an observation from all that: It seemed that a few posters took a very staunch position regarding their beliefs/opinions and were not quite as receptive or accomodating to others who had differing beliefs/opinions.
Then again I understand that it is an emotive issue... Always hard to discuss rationally without getting carried away.

I am only just starting out on my journey towards the truth and have mostly read negative posts regarding Reptilians/Draconians so it was great to get another perspective from the posters claiming to be good and loving Reptilians/Draconians.

I would have thought that finding out there are good individuals amongst the Reptilians/Draconians to be be most welcome indeed, so it was disheartening to see some posters have a go at them and pass judgement on them.

We are to quick to give into the fear of the unknown...

And is it just me or did the thread totally go on a massive tangent at the end??? :o

[shenoma]

Just good old fashion love of power and love of lust:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/tmpfan/madonna_naked_035.jpg

[pound]

^
That looks like Madonna!

[shenoma]

^
That looks like Madonna!

It is, I couldn't help myself but to post it.

[pound]

It is, I couldn't help myself but to post it.


WTF? Who's the lucky old geezer??
Is this pic from a movie or something, haha?

[shenoma]

WTF? Who's the lucky old geezer??
Is this pic from a movie or something, haha?

It could be from her Sex book, I would assume.

It shows what I believe she had to do to make it where she is and probably still does whenever they want to feed from her.

[dhama_initiative]

Nice avatar Shen.

[justin_pushka]

Since so many people on here, either hate or just being blind about the reppies, I just wanted to share some info. They do love and very passionately do it for a lifetime, if they so choose. They can care about each other and protect each other until death.

Sex for each species is unique and speical, the body feels differently then the next one. How they express themselves is also special and should not be judge by human standards. Just because is different, does not mean they do not breed and love their mates. Their culture is built and functions on different thoughts and reasons from what humans might understood when we use such terms.

Yes, from the point of veiw of humans, the choices they have made could be called evil, but what about our own collective history? Maybe, we should not be so quick to judge, that is so particular, without, first coming to the most basic understanding of our cousins.

I presume your post indicates you are either reptilian or have a knowledge of reptilians? Personally I dont feel that the position we have been manipulated into is nice. Im sure in the future of time reptilians will find themselves on the receiving end and it will be interesting to see how they find the manipulation of their reality. As for hating them, i dont just their current methods which will change. The situation as it is cant continue indefinately which im sure you guys are aware of. Some kind of move towards real openess would go along way and maybe humans would be more inclined to live co-operatively with reptilians instead of starving you of ourselves. The thing is about master slave relationships is that in S&M the slave really has the power as once the slave no longer needs the master, the master is out of work. When we remove our will to be governed reptilians will be out of work so to speak.

On matters of love and sex. I see no problem mixing human or alien races. Some of us humans have open fear free hearts. Personally i could love a reptilian emotionally, passionately and sexualy. Im not really that shocked by reptilians or fearfull or in awe. I see nothing wrong with sexuality between reptiles and humans. Reptilians probably know where to find me in ogmore valley in welsh dragon country. Its cirtainly preferable to have love make the world go around rather than fear making it go around. So, come on reptiles out of the shadows lets see what youve got!

[merlincove]

WTF? Who's the lucky old geezer??
Is this pic from a movie or something, haha?

It could be from her Sex book, I would assume.

It shows what I believe she had to do to make it where she is and probably still does whenever they want to feed from her.

Yes, it's from her sex book :cool:

And yes, nice new avatar shenoma :D

[shenoma]

Yes, it's from her sex book :cool:

And yes, nice new avatar shenoma :D

I edited out her nipple in this picture. I think Madonna loves showing off her hidden truth of her private life in canon pictures like this and one videos too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/tmpfan/madonna_naked_035.jpg

Oh yes, my avatar is how I feel right now.

[nadi4ka88]

Ive always believed the paradigm of service to self needs to be changed, with a bias towards service to others. Greed is the root of the condition of the planet we are living on right now. If service to others was even just slightly greater than service to self, then the world would stop deteriorating, and start regenerating, physically, emotionally, spiritually, etc.

But each person needs to make that decision for themselves, as we all have free will to choose our own destiny. Service to self, up to this point, has not worked out very well. What makes people think that it will someday work better than it is now?

And its not about being part of a collective, or being "one" with everything... its just about compassion for others, and treating others as you would want to be treated. It pains me to think of how easy it would be to change the world. Its just a choice, nothing more.

The only person you are able to serve in this world is only you and no one else. By serving yourself, you serve to others, because it is you,who serves. This is connected to the process of giving and receiving, which are one The feeling and aware of oneness is something which needs a lot of practice to be achieved. It is deeper and stronger than just words.

About the sex with reptilians, I don't know - but there is probably very simple reason to have sex with human and it is may be to control us by sex. Their help is also their curse upon us. I don't remember in which country were allowed marriages between human, a male and goats, so may be for reptilians to marry or love a human is as ridiculous to them as ridiculous to us is the marriage between human and a goat. Or that is their point, to delude us, to suggest the idea that we are animals and they are something superior and not to miss the promotion of "free" reptilian DNA

[qwqw1212]

it's extremely difficult to show love to something that only wants to hide from you.

And i've tried.

And yes, it was a sheep.

But the point still stands.

lmao!

[five o nine]

generally speaking they are incapable of love and very jealous of human beings capacity for love. there is a divinity that stems from the soul which a reptillian being doesn't have.