If the Shit hits the fan will you survive?

[garth]

I was wondering how many (if any?) of you guys and gals has an escape/survival plan should anything catastrophic happen and your lives are threatened?

Like run to the hills, or batten down the hatches and burrow in sorta stuff, of has anyone got a plan with provisions made for long term survival?

I have for the last couple of years been plotting and scheming to ensure that I had the best possible chances of survival, started with the basics like

How to get outa town in a hurry when the roads/highways will be blocked with other panicked people? luckily enough for me there is a HT power line that runs from close to my place straight up the hills and into the country, bypassing all major roads, it has an access track that is trafficable by 4wd, so thats what I drive.

have a heaps of other plans/survival tools & tips that i would be happy to share if anyones interested?

[roxanna222]

I was actually thinking on this last night. Iam moving and where to well in the case of a planet x scenario not much chance there. Hopefully we will leave to another place within a few years. But do go on. This topic is of interest to me. Will you burrow? What sort of plan do you have? Cheers and thanks for an interesting thread.

[lifeofbrian]

First I would like to know

*what shit
*what fan

you were talking about?

In Iraq people die all the time as we speak.

Why is my survival more important than their?

Now if you can tell me how to prevent people from needlessly dying in Iraq...

(or any other place abandoned by "humanity" for that matter)

:)

[whitenight639]

As individuals theres not alot we can do about iraqi people right now,
I think the common feeling is there will be somthing happen soon, also there is increased chemtrail activity/ smogg and more masts going up its only natural to want to survive, iv though about digging an underground bunker but havnt had time yet.





First I would like to know

*what shit
*what fan

you were talking about?

In Iraq people die all the time as we speak.

Why is my survival more important than their?

Now if you can tell me how to prevent people from needlessly dying in Iraq...

(or any other place abandoned by "humanity" for that matter)

:)

[rossus]

where i live it will be hard to survive cause there's no real nature around.
i cannot go fishing or hunting or picking fruit of trees. the climate is too cold to become a selfsufficient farmer.

from a survivor point of view, i should be moving far away from here.
but (at this time) i choose to stay here and see what happens.
if the shits hits the fan, and there's no way out... so be it.

i've never been a big fan of life anyway.
death is fun as well :)

[garth]

First I would like to know

*what shit
*what fan

you were talking about?

In Iraq people die all the time as we speak.

Why is my survival more important than their?

Now if you can tell me how to prevent people from needlessly dying in Iraq...

(or any other place abandoned by "humanity" for that matter)

:)

Shit hitting fan = any life threatening event like...plant x, tidal wave, monetary collapse, massive earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, nuke's etc..anything that will threaten you normal existence and result in mass panic & anarchy in the general populace.

Hey..If i knew the magic answer to prevent all the countless deaths in the name of loomie control I wouldn't be here pissing around, I'd be out there doing it..but sadly I don't..no one is anymore important than anyone else on this rock...just some are lucky enough to not be threatened at this point in time, hence this thread, cause sure as shit someday we will all be in the horrific position that those in Iraq are in now. So word up...get prepared

[lifeofbrian]

As individuals theres not alot we can do about iraqi people right now,
I think the common feeling is there will be somthing happen soon, also there is increased chemtrail activity/ smogg and more masts going up its only natural to want to survive, iv though about digging an underground bunker but havnt had time yet.

I think people in general can do a lot about "the Now" :)

I think it is a matter of dedication and realistic perspective.

As I think "the Now" determines the future :)

But living in some " sudden future" is an option too. Of course.

[garth]

I was actually thinking on this last night. Iam moving and where to well in the case of a planet x scenario not much chance there. Hopefully we will leave to another place within a few years. But do go on. This topic is of interest to me. Will you burrow? What sort of plan do you have? Cheers and thanks for an interesting thread.

Thanks for the interest Roxanna, I was thinking I might post a survival 101 sorta thing on here if it's of interest to anyone, my view is that being prepared in someway is always the best policy, I tend to go a bit overboard in my preparations, but having even a simple plan is better than none.

Basic plan
1. have a set point or points where your family members will meet in a disaster/catastrophe
2. have a place or several places scouted out before hand so you know where to go and how to get there or have an area in your house or family members house set up for survival (batten down hatches option)
3. have a basic survival kit ready to throw in the car at all times

these three points if planned well firm the basis of a survival plan - everything else stems from them..will elaborate further later

[lifeofbrian]

Shit hitting fan = any life threatening event like...plant x, tidal wave, monetary collapse, massive earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, nuke's etc..anything that will threaten you normal existence and result in mass panic & anarchy in the general populace.

Hey..If i knew the magic answer to prevent all the countless deaths in the name of loomie control I wouldn't be here pissing around, I'd be out there doing it..but sadly I don't..no one is anymore important than anyone else on this rock...just some are lucky enough to not be threatened at this point in time, hence this thread, cause sure as shit someday we will all be in the horrific position that those in Iraq are in now. So word up...get prepared

Thanks.

I am aware of most of the "potential outside threats". Aware also of the cures.

However - do we not have a choice at all? Are we all backwards ultra-superstitious sitting ducks waiting for another cosmic tsunami or are we people with feet planted firmly on the ground and with knowledge of history and religion and modern warfare?

Who has proof of any "outside threat" (coined by Kissinger in that famous quote - was it?)

[whitenight639]

I too think People could get it sorted out, but there are not enough to make a difference atm, even if the whole of the UK was ready for a march down to westminster to kick in the doors there is no way of telling how many people would come and how/ where to inform them.

what do you mean by sudden future?

I think its human nature to be ready for the unexpected and to plan it. but i also think we are more paranoid now we know whats really going on, I dont think they would destroy there native countries ie UK and USA because we are the monetry system that gives them there lifestyle, Its not us that should be planning incase of catastropie it should be anyone in any middle eastern country as its obvious thats where they originated from and they want there homeland back at all costs.



I think people in general can do a lot about "the Now" :)

I think it is a matter of dedication and realistic perspective.

As I think "the Now" determines the future :)

But living in some " sudden future" is an option too. Of course.

[lumukanda]

when the time comes, i'll be precisely where i'm meant to be, maybe that means i'll be in some sweet cave, or some island, or maybe dead. time will tell.

[garth]

Thanks.

I am aware of most of the "potential outside threats". Aware also of the cures.

However - do we not have a choice at all? Are we all backwards ultra-superstitious sitting ducks waiting for another cosmic tsumani or are we people with feet planted firmly on the ground and with knowledge of history and religion and modern warfare?

Hey LifeofBrian..cool..you gotta follow your truth...my point of view is that the recent past suggest that there will be in the not to distant future more catastrophic events that could threaten the lives of large numbers or people, so all I'm saying is be prepared, I'm not a doomsdayer. But I would hate to be in a position where I could have prevented the impacts of a major catastrophe by doing a little preparation.

[lifeofbrian]

I too think People could get it sorted out, but there are not enough to make a difference atm, even if the whole of the UK was ready for a march down to westminster to kick in the doors there is no way of telling how many people would come and how/ where to inform them.

what do you mean by sudden future?

I think its human nature to be ready for the unexpected and to plan it. but i also think we are more paranoid now we know whats really going on, I dont think they would destroy there native countries ie UK and USA because we are the monetry system that gives them there lifestyle, Its not us that should be planning incase of catastropie it should be anyone in any middle eastern country as its obvious thats where they originated from and they want there homeland back at all costs.

Yes. I agree with and see what you mean.

Where do we get our information from though?

[lifeofbrian]

Hey LifeofBrian..cool..you gotta follow your truth...my point of view is that the recent past suggest that there will be in the not to distant future more catastrophic events that could threaten the lives of large numbers or people, so all I'm saying is be prepared, I'm not a doomsdayer. But I would hate to be in a position where I could have prevented the impacts of a major catastrophe by doing a little preparation.

Could you tell what my "truth" is from these few posts ;)

I am no stranger to doomsday scenarios. Pretty much all of them.

But let us not get ahead of ourselves eh. We might force the doomsday.

Today we have 12th June 2007. Not 2011 yet.

What can be done today to save lives in other places?

[space lizard]

I'm currently trying to pay of all my loans so the banks won't
come looking for me to give back the money after the apocalypse.

if I do survive a global financial melt down, a halving of the worlds population and a mad max type world full of road bandits and people eating rats and tree roots, the last fuckin thing I want posted through my bin lid is a loan payment overdue letter every two weeks.

Even if money becomes obsolete, the cunts will still want it back.

Other than that I'm preparing myself with knoweldge of whats happening and this gives me comfort to not kill myself of go nuts when it happens, I suppose 3 gerry cans of unleaded petrol a hunting bow and a camoflauge tent would be a goog idea, but for the moment its just a hugely stocked liquour cabinet and a stash of porno mags in the shed keeping me and the afterlife apart.

[garth]

I too think People could get it sorted out, but there are not enough to make a difference atm, even if the whole of the UK was ready for a march down to westminster to kick in the doors there is no way of telling how many people would come and how/ where to inform them.

what do you mean by sudden future?

I think its human nature to be ready for the unexpected and to plan it. but i also think we are more paranoid now we know whats really going on, I dont think they would destroy there native countries ie UK and USA because we are the monetry system that gives them there lifestyle, Its not us that should be planning incase of catastropie it should be anyone in any middle eastern country as its obvious thats where they originated from and they want there homeland back at all costs.

O.K..lets play what if....say all the banks in the U.K computer systems have a melt down, no ATM, no eftpos, credit card's are useless..who has more than a weeks worth of food in there house?? So what happens?? Hungry people go to get food, they don't have cash and are turned away, so they steal or loot it to survive..in a short space of time you have anarchy..you then get military intervention and are herded like cattle to some place to be feed like refugees...martial law takes control..this would take less than a week to transpire....think Hurricane Katrina or even the cyclone in Northern Queensland last year..it don't take long for things to go haywire..so get prepared.

[space lizard]

The last person I want to be if the shit hits the fan is David Icke, He'll open his bedroom curtains bollock naked only to be greated by the sight of 20 thousand people shouting "Messiah, Messiah, have you got enough baked beans to feed 20,000 of us? - Give us a sign, any sign". At which point he's probably give the 2 fingered salute and shout back, "I'm not the kind of guy that says I told you so, but go F*ck yourselves! where were you bastards for the last 20 years?"

[lifeofbrian]

O.K..lets play what if....say all the banks in the U.K computer systems have a melt down, no ATM, no eftpos, credit card's are useless..who has more than a weeks worth of food in there house?? So what happens?? Hungry people go to get food, they don't have cash and are turned away, so they steal or loot it to survive..in a short space of time you have anarchy..you then get military intervention and are herded like cattle to some place to be feed like refugees...martial law takes control..this would take less than a week to transpire....think Hurricane Katrina or even the cyclone in Northern Queensland last year..it don't take long for things to go haywire..so get prepared.

Picture this:

Get to know your neighbours and larger community today and you will not have to fear them tomorrow.

How is that for a start? :)

[garth]

I'm currently trying to pay of all my loans so the banks won't
come looking for me to give back the money after the apocalypse.

if I do survive a global financial melt down, a halving of the worlds population and a mad max type world full of road bandits and people eating rats and tree roots, the last fuckin thing I want posted through my bin lid is a loan payment overdue letter every two weeks.

Even if money becomes obsolete, the cunts will still want it back.

Other than that I'm preparing myself with knoweldge of whats happening and this gives me comfort to not kill myself of go nuts when it happens, I suppose 3 gerry cans of unleaded petrol a hunting bow and a camoflauge tent would be a goog idea, but for the moment its just a hugely stocked liquour cabinet and a stash of porno mags in the shed keeping me and the afterlife apart.

LMAO dude..on ya..but yeah a few jerry cans of fuel, a month's worth of food & water and a shotgun might be bit more useful..although you can light a fire with the porno mags and just get pissed..great till the fire dies down and ya run out of booze.:D

[whitenight639]

Welcome to the forum space lizzard and i sincerely hope you have more going for you than that, weather they want it back depends if there are any bankers left after a meltdown. i think they would all get hung if everyone was eating rats and still getting harrased for repayments.




I'm currently trying to pay of all my loans so the banks won't
come looking for me to give back the money after the apocalypse.

if I do survive a global financial melt down, a halving of the worlds population and a mad max type world full of road bandits and people eating rats and tree roots, the last fuckin thing I want posted through my bin lid is a loan payment overdue letter every two weeks.

Even if money becomes obsolete, the cunts will still want it back.

Other than that I'm preparing myself with knoweldge of whats happening and this gives me comfort to not kill myself of go nuts when it happens, I suppose 3 gerry cans of unleaded petrol a hunting bow and a camoflauge tent would be a goog idea, but for the moment its just a hugely stocked liquour cabinet and a stash of porno mags in the shed keeping me and the afterlife apart.

[lifeofbrian]

Oh noez! Is this a LOLz forum OKz I chose the wrongz doorzez thiz iz not forz mez

ROFLMAO zzz

As you were.

I got the wrong idea about this place.

[garth]

Picture this:

Get to know your neighbours and larger community today and you will not have to fear them tomorrow.

How is that for a start? :)

Good plan mate..safety in numbers...better still get em all together, get to know one another, then all put in for a stash of food and water, so then you can all be safe and well feed:)

[space lizard]

By the way, I would not place to much faith in "the people" have you tried talking about anything we discuss in here to normal people who don't think about anything except their material goods and the tasks in their lives?

99 Percent of people are as thick as shit until the truth punches them square in the face, then they panic and throw screaming children out of seats to get in first. This has been proven to me by being barred from chat rooms for asking questions the can not answer without abandoning the things they were told in school. Also look what happened in England when the petrol prices went through the roof, chaos and fear. That was only a trial run for the alumini, a test of the emergency causing systems.

[garth]

By the way, I would not place to much faith in "the people" have you tried talking about anything we discuss in here to normal people who don't think about anything except their material goods and the tasks in their lives?

99 Percent of people are as thick as shit until the truth punches them square in the face, then they panic and throw screaming children out of seats to get in first. This has been proven to me by being barred from chat rooms for asking questions the can not answer without abandoning the things they were told in school. Also look what happened in England when the petrol prices went through the roof, chaos and fear. That was only a trial run for the alumini, a test of the emergency causing systems.

You got it mate..thats what I'm talkin bout...the line between orderly society and anarchy is very very fine...don't take much to push em over...your new X box is worthless when there is no food in the house, no power and cash is only good to wipe your bum with....ANARCHY..it's not the events that I plan for, it's the mass panic of everyone else that I plan to avoid..hence get prepared.

[lifeofbrian]

Good plan mate..safety in numbers...better still get em all together, get to know one another, then all put in for a stash of food and water, so then you can all be safe and well feed:)

Have you heard about how the energy of money works? It works just like breath. Has to flow in - and out. Same with everything in this type of life; supplies come and go - you receive and give = share.

Saving up/hoarding/stocking up is what the weirdos at the top of the dunghill do.

That is like holding your breath until you are blue in the face.

No good. Bartering / civilised exchange is a good choice.

As long as people do not panic :)

Most important of all in survival is creating an atmosphere of trust. Without it we die of stressrelated illnesses. In my experience - if you want to teach anyone how to survive - teach them how people exchange energy and strength. Teach them about connecting with people in times of crisis and gaining strength from caring. Teach them about staying calm in the midst of the storm. And tell them the story of Pandora's Box. There is always Hope.

:)

[limelady]

Have you heard about how the energy of money works? It works just like breath. Has to flow in - and out. Same with everything in this type of life; supplies come and go - you receive and share.

Saving up/hoarding/stocking up is what the weirdos at the top of the dunghill do.

That is like holding your breath until you are blue in the face.

No good. Bartering / civilised exchange. Good choice.

As long as people do not panic :)

Providing people HAVE goods for batering and civilised exchange.....otherwise there's likely to be a great deal of panic!

Personally I'd rather be considered a "weirdo" and be able to offer food to my family and close friends because I'd thought a little bit ahead for a 'just in case' scenario.

Well it makes sense to me anyway.....it used to be known as common sense. :rolleyes:

[garth]

Have you heard about how the energy of money works? It works just like breath. Has to flow in - and out. Same with everything in this type of life; supplies come and go - you receive and give = share.

Saving up/hoarding/stocking up is what the weirdos at the top of the dunghill do.

That is like holding your breath until you are blue in the face.

No good. Bartering / civilised exchange is a good choice.

As long as people do not panic :)

Mate..been using LOA for years..were on the same page..LOA is part of this matrix construct..like gravity..part of the base program...hey maybe you've taken this wrong, I'm not about creating a Noahs ark full of shit..I'm about being real, recent events have proven that people do panic, very easily, and it's for this reason that I advocate being prepared, for your and your families safety and well being. Batering works great once the dust has settled, if I had enough stuff i would give it away to anyone who need it (do this now all the time) but until that time you have 3 choices
1.run and hide
2.have a decent gun and protect yourself
3.go mad doing anything you can to feed yourself and ya kids (99 % or population)..ANARCHY

[lifeofbrian]

Providing people HAVE goods for batering and civilised exchange.....otherwise there's likely to be a great deal of panic!

Personally I'd rather be considered a "weirdo" and be able to offer food to my family and close friends because I'd thought a little bit ahead for a 'just in case' scenario.

Well it makes sense to me anyway.....it used to be known as common sense. :rolleyes:

People always have something to offer. Nobody came here without talent.

Where I come from we do not put much faith in selfish people.

No man is an island.

[limelady]

People always have something to offer. Nobody came here without talent.

Where I come from we do not put much faith in selfish people.

No man is an island.

O.K. Share your talent with us - we're all ears :D

And can you PLEASE explain to the forum members what's "selfish" about stashing a bit of food away and a few other basic necessities so you can help your family and friends survive in a worse-case-scenario?

[lifeofbrian]

Mate..been using LOA for years..were on the same page..LOA is part of this matrix construct..like gravity..part of the base program...hey maybe you've taken this wrong, I'm not about creating a Noahs ark full of shit..I'm about being real, recent events have proven that people do panic, very easily, and it's for this reason that I advocate being prepared, for your and your families safety and well being. Batering works great once the dust has settled, if I had enough stuff i would give it away to anyone who need it (do this now all the time) but until that time you have 3 choices
1.run and hide
2.have a decent gun and protect yourself
3.go mad doing anything you can to feed yourself and ya kids (99 % or population)..ANARCHY

Well shall we try to go back a bit.

Preparation is getting to know the people you think will panic.

When your shit hits your fan you will then have allies - not people in panic.

No? :)

[bigus_dickus]

nevermind

[whitenight639]

LMAO \/ \/

The last person I want to be if the shit hits the fan is David Icke, He'll open his bedroom curtains bollock naked only to be greated by the sight of 20 thousand people shouting "Messiah, Messiah, have you got enough baked beans to feed 20,000 of us? - Give us a sign, any sign". At which point he's probably give the 2 fingered salute and shout back, "I'm not the kind of guy that says I told you so, but go F*ck yourselves! where were you bastards for the last 20 years?"

[lifeofbrian]

O.K. Share your talent with us - we're all ears :D

And can you PLEASE explain to the forum members what's "selfish" about stashing a bit of food away and a few other basic necessities so you can help your family and friends survive in a worse-case-scenario?

No ma'am I can not explain "selfish" as it is foreign to me. We need to ask the Bush family and the Rockefellers and those prepared folks me thinks.

See?

[garth]

Well shall we try to go back a bit.

Preparation is getting to know the people you think will panic.

When your shit hits your fan you will then have allies - not people in panic.

No? :)

Yeah sure..if you live in a small village or town, it's a great idea and one I advocate totally..but...unfortunately most people don't..and a city with a lot of crazed people not knowing what is going on is a place to stay away from.

This reality is based on the fear of the unknown, religion has used this for centuries..as soon as the general populace doesn't know what is going to happen..when big bro isn't there to wipe there bums and tell em everything is going to be alright...PANIC...it's the way things are (not discounting a mass awakening..but I can't see it in the next few years..hope I'm wrong)..so hence being prepared.

[lifeofbrian]

Yeah sure..if you live in a small village or town, it's a great idea and one I advocate totally..but...unfortunately most people don't..and a city with a lot of crazed people not knowing what is going on is a place to stay away from.

This place i run on the fear of the unknown, religion has used this for centuries..as soon as the general populace doesn't know what is going to happen..when big bro isn't there to wipe there bums and tell em everything is going to be alright...PANIC...it's the way things are (not discounting a mass awakening..but I can't see it in the next few years..hope I'm wrong)..so hence being prepared.

My plan's always involve a larger family & friend group, thats why I'm here talking bout this shit, If I didn't care about anyone else, I'd be like Lumu..leave it to fate.

I trust you have spoken to every person in your town and know this is a fact? Or is it a conditioned view?

People are not stupid as long as there are calm people amongst them. That is what people in panic look for; a calm point.

Stay calm.

Learn about human nature. The bastards who want chaos (reverse "Ordo ab Chao" reverse it to "get it"!) - they know human nature - how come humans do not know human nature?

Are we strangers to ourselves?

:)

[limelady]

No ma'am I can not explain "selfish" as it is foreign to me. We need to ask the Bush family and the Rockefellers and those prepared folks me thinks.

See?

O.K. But you know enough about "selfish" to accuse other of it, right? http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7246/emoticonbangheadux3.gif

[lifeofbrian]

O.K. But you know enough about "selfish" to accuse other of it, right? http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7246/emoticonbangheadux3.gif

I intended it as a term in the context of the discussion - primarily a hypothetical term but appliable practically - for perspective. I try not to get personal online so forgive me if I unintentionally seemed to accuse anyone of anything. That was not my intention in the least.

[garth]

I trust you have spoken to every person in your town and know this is a fact? Or is it a conditioned view?

No I haven't spoken to everyone in my Town, there are 50,000 people here, my view is based on recent catasrophic events and how people react


People are not stupid as long as there are calm people amongst them. That is what people in panic look for; a calm point.

Stay calm.

Bollocks..they go nuts Hurricane Katrina (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4205074.stm)



Learn about human nature. The bastards who want chaos (reverse "Ordo ab Chao" reverse it to "get it"!) - they know human nature - how come humans do not know human nature?

Are we strangers to ourselves?

:)

yep..most people are...they are so conditioned with what the T.V says they have to have and do, when it's not there, and stuff don't work like it did yesterday..they go nuts..fear of the unknown...mate you can stick around if ya like in the event of something catastrophic happening, but I'm a realist, I know what people do to each other in times of extreme stress & panic..I'm outa here.

[notaslave]

I am a great believer in the human spirit. I guess I have to be as I dont have the income to stash supplies LOL.
Seriously, if supplies were unable to get, we humans though some will charge the shops and be killed for it, a great deal will use their brains and inventiveness in order to survive.
I was recently put in two situations which shows you about human beings. One I helped a guy out and he just disappeared without so much as a thanks. One of life's takers. The other was when I took ill in the street and two guys came over and made sure I was ok, offered to call an ambulance, give me a lift home etc.,
A third is an online game I play with a mulit-user game where you can amass riches if you so choose. Most prefer to excel at a certain skill so they can wear a skill cape and get their status from others that way. You can also go into an area and kill other online players, most choose to team up for survival. These are pretty telling observations on human nature.
Maybe I'm an optimist, but I believe in my fellow human beings in times of crisis.

[garth]

I am a great believer in the human spirit. I guess I have to be as I dont have the income to stash supplies LOL.
Seriously, if supplies were unable to get, we humans though some will charge the shops and be killed for it, a great deal will use their brains and inventiveness in order to survive.
I was recently put in two situations which shows you about human beings. One I helped a guy out and he just disappeared without so much as a thanks. One of life's takers. The other was when I took ill in the street and two guys came over and made sure I was ok, offered to call an ambulance, give me a lift home etc.,
A third is an online game I play with a mulit-user game where you can amass riches if you so choose. Most prefer to excel at a certain skill so they can wear a skill cape and get their status from others that way. You can also go into an area and kill other online players, most choose to team up for survival. These are pretty telling observations on human nature.
Maybe I'm an optimist, but I believe in my fellow human beings in times of crisis.

Hey notaslave...I'd like to believe that in a time of extreme stress people would act the way they do right now, but I've seen to much madness out there. I sure hope that events like Hurricane Katrina etc don't happen again, but I think they will and I'm damed if I'll be a victim or be herded like cattle by the military.

what a bout a tin or baked beans every week or something?? even a little stash is better than nothing..might make all the difference:D

[shadow cat]

I am a great believer in the human spirit. I guess I have to be as I dont have the income to stash supplies LOL.
Seriously, if supplies were unable to get, we humans though some will charge the shops and be killed for it, a great deal will use their brains and inventiveness in order to survive.
I was recently put in two situations which shows you about human beings. One I helped a guy out and he just disappeared without so much as a thanks. One of life's takers. The other was when I took ill in the street and two guys came over and made sure I was ok, offered to call an ambulance, give me a lift home etc.,
A third is an online game I play with a mulit-user game where you can amass riches if you so choose. Most prefer to excel at a certain skill so they can wear a skill cape and get their status from others that way. You can also go into an area and kill other online players, most choose to team up for survival. These are pretty telling observations on human nature.
Maybe I'm an optimist, but I believe in my fellow human beings in times of crisis.


An online game and the REALITY of a crisis situation is like comparing nuts to bootlaces....completely different mate. It's one thing to be hiding behind our computer screens and pretending things, to the real deal.
Do I detect a teensy bit of apathy here? or a slight removal from reality?? in this day and age with all the dumbing down that's been going on I am not at all surprised to be reading these posts about how our fellow humans will be dinky die and hunky punky in a serious crises........please give this a bit more thought. Thank-you!

[space lizard]

this was one thing i was gonna wait a while before we talked about, but i guess I'll talk about it know so you can think about it. We all have to make some kind plans for ourselves. It's a free concert from now on. There's one major thing you have to remember tonight whether you go back up to the woods to go to sleep or stay here. Is that the man next to you is your brother, and you damn well better treat each other that way, because if you don't, then we've blown the whole thing

[graflok]

One thing to consider, survival-wise, if you live in a large city --

Cars & gasoline may be useless because you would have nowhere
to drive. A total chaos situation would likely leave all city roads
hopelessly jammed with too many vehicles trying to get out of the
city at once. It would take a long, long time to clear if ever.
Businesses would likely close up too, including gas stations.

There is also a good possibility that roads would be blocked by
the authorities no matter where you might live.

A bicycle seems a better idea. At least you could get somewhere
and you wouldn't be fuel or road dependent.

Weapons are fine but don't forget the quieter ones. Archery and
sling shots, for example. Guns make a hell of a noise and attract
attention from people who will want to take them from you.

[limelady]

One thing to consider, survival-wise, if you live in a large city --

Cars & gasoline may be useless because you would have nowhere
to drive. A total chaos situation would likely leave all city roads
hopelessly jammed with too many vehicles trying to get out of the
city at once. It would take a long, long time to clear if ever.
Businesses would likely close up too, including gas stations.

There is also a good possibility that roads would be blocked by
the authorities no matter where you might live.

A bicycle seems a better idea. At least you could get somewhere
and you wouldn't be fuel or road dependent.

Weapons are fine but don't forget the quieter ones. Archery and
sling shots, for example. Guns make a hell of a noise and attract
attention from people who will want to take them from you.

All very sound advice graflok....and along with the bikes perhaps one should consider pre-packed (ready-to-go) back-packs with some basic emergency supplies and some water?

[space lizard]

In preperation for global terror and a massive human extinction event, my wife has been making sandwiches every day for the last 3 years. To date we have 17,328 shrink rapped and stored in cardboard boxes in the attic. I've just double checked the amout with the wife and found out, all of them are ham and cheese. Fucksakes. :mad:

[space monkey]

I have an escape rout or two into the country. As I am now, I'd die within a week. I'm working on it.

Problem with "bugging out" in Britain is that there's so little space and so many people.

[limelady]

Hey....I hadn't realised we have a space lizard and a space monkey!!

Cool! :D


In preperation for global terror and a massive human extinction event, my wife has been making sandwiches every day for the last 3 years. To date we have 17,328 shrink rapped and stored in cardboard boxes in the attic. I've just double checked the amout with the wife and found out, all of them are ham and cheese. Fucksakes.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8351/rotflmaoke0.gif

[space monkey]

Hey....I hadn't realised we have a space lizard and a space monkey!!

Cool! :D

Hey! We could mate and produce... human offspring. Meh...

[i_am]

Many of us here live in Queensland, Australia and as this is an area where cyclones are common, various Government departments put out 'how to prepare and survive' literature. There is some very sound advice there which could be used for any type of emergency.

One put out by emergency services;

http://www.emergency.qld.gov.au/emq/css/cyclones.asp#emergency_kit

[i_am]

In preperation for global terror and a massive human extinction event, my wife has been making sandwiches every day for the last 3 years. To date we have 17,328 shrink rapped and stored in cardboard boxes in the attic. I've just double checked the amout with the wife and found out, all of them are ham and cheese. Fucksakes. :mad:

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/davesworld56/AvatarSmileyLOL.gif

[adramelech]

An online game and the REALITY of a crisis situation is like comparing nuts to bootlaces....completely different mate. It's one thing to be hiding behind our computer screens and pretending things, to the real deal.
Do I detect a teensy bit of apathy here? or a slight removal from reality?? in this day and age with all the dumbing down that's been going on I am not at all surprised to be reading these posts about how our fellow humans will be dinky die and hunky punky in a serious crises........please give this a bit more thought. Thank-you!

Actually, observing human behaviour when interacting behind an avatar or anonymously in social situations is many times a better judge of their true character and intentions. For example, a quiet person in reality is an obnoxious loud-mouth on the internet, or a person with a tough exterior in reality likes to spend time in an online game helping others or giving advice on forums. This is their true character that they are afraid or feel they can't express normally. In a crisis situation, this is the true character that would emerge.

[adramelech]

Hey....I hadn't realised we have a space lizard and a space monkey!!

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Worst Fight Scene Ever - YouTube

[limelady]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1eFdUSnaQM

Lol!!! You guys are keeping me in stiches today! :D

But now we're going horribly http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5962/blkofftopicvo4.gif so we'd better start behaving again or garth will be after us for messing with his thread. :p

[garth]

One thing to consider, survival-wise, if you live in a large city --

Cars & gasoline may be useless because you would have nowhere
to drive. A total chaos situation would likely leave all city roads
hopelessly jammed with too many vehicles trying to get out of the
city at once. It would take a long, long time to clear if ever.
Businesses would likely close up too, including gas stations.

There is also a good possibility that roads would be blocked by
the authorities no matter where you might live.

A bicycle seems a better idea. At least you could get somewhere
and you wouldn't be fuel or road dependent.

Weapons are fine but don't forget the quieter ones. Archery and
sling shots, for example. Guns make a hell of a noise and attract
attention from people who will want to take them from you.

That what I'm talking bout..some thought & planning, a bicycle or motorcycle (trail bike not road bike) would also be a good choice, fitted out with panniers or racks for provisions...

In my particular situation there is a high tension power line that run's from very near to my place straight into the country, it has a service track that is accessible by 4wd, so I have a 4wd ute that can handle the track, this track bypasses all major routes and roads. If you are looking at escape routes, look at everything, often there is a pipeline, forestry or public service track or road that is perfect for your escape path..off the beaten track is far safer and practical in a time or panic.

bang on bout the weapons to..IMO a cross bow being the ultimate along with a flame thrower:eek:

[the festival spirit]

In answer to the question, If the Shit hits the fan will you survive?

I think I will as long as I am not shopping for supplies at the time. XLNT thread garth, I had to search for it though, I just quoted one of your posts, but wanted to quote many. I am without a vehicle at the moment, but I will be (hopefully) buying land where there are no targets (should it come to that) and wont need to travel when the time comes. my surviving disasters thread will eventually reveal how and where to survive if you can manage it.

Thanks for the interest Roxanna, I was thinking I might post a survival 101 sorta thing on here if it's of interest to anyone, my view is that being prepared in someway is always the best policy, I tend to go a bit overboard in my preparations, but having even a simple plan is better than none.

Basic plan
1. have a set point or points where your family members will meet in a disaster/catastrophe
2. have a place or several places scouted out before hand so you know where to go and how to get there or have an area in your house or family members house set up for survival (batten down hatches option)
3. have a basic survival kit ready to throw in the car at all times

these three points if planned well firm the basis of a survival plan - everything else stems from them..will elaborate further later

Can I suggest you do the 101 thing garth, an excellent idea, maybe it will be stickied in a new surviving disasters forum, start a thread now, let everybody put their ideas in, and then take the best ones and put them in a closed thread, perhaps limelady ;) could help with that?

[tickles]

Great minds think alike Garth. I have those three things ready at all times.
I have a hikers pack that is always packed and ready with first aid kid, change of warm clothes, fire lighters, etc.
I've had people ask what its for and when i tell them the expression on their faces goes from like your mad then to shit, he maybe onto something here. :D
Funny to watch.

[seanx]

Reading this thread - it's as if people haven't grasped a single iota
of what dave icke has been saying over the past 10 years.

Once fear gets hold of us - all our 'old' conditioning and beliefs
comes to the fore.

Look, things 'don't just happen to us'. We are not powerless victims
that will suddenly find ourselves in a disaster.

if we find ourselves in such a situation it's because deep down,
we feel this is the ture reality.

if yuo vibrate with fear - you will always attract such situations.
And if you vibrate with love and trust, you'll always be safe no
matter where you are.

look, at all the people who seem to miracously survive planecrashes, disasters etc.

Unlike most people, they are not unconscious but vibrating at a more
trusting level.

However, that doesn't mean you should not make plans - if something
inside you, your 'intuition' tells you. However, then you'll be doing it
out of trust and confidence.

Again, things are not as bad as they look.

[jinjo5]

.....just hope i can get one more session on xbox live with halo 2.......;)

[auron]

bang on bout the weapons to..IMO a cross bow being the ultimate along with a flame thrower:eek:
Check this book out:

The Construction of Crossbows - Hoffman.pdf (http://www.badongo.com/file/3451683)

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5008/jointun9.gif

[the festival spirit]

Check this book out:

The Construction of Crossbows - Hoffman.pdf (http://www.badongo.com/file/3451683)

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5008/jointun9.gif

ooh did we discuss crossbows? looks skywards and whistles, not that I would know anything about making crossbows like, for most of my life, ooops did I say that out loud!

[thomascovenant]

Once again, I look for information and Auron provides it.Cheers man.

[orgo knight]

For me it's more like WHEN the shit hits the fan.
Going by prophecies planet X is coming and boy is it pissed.

Earth is going to cop a major exfoliation when it swings by very soon.
I've recently been thinking of survival methods and having a look at survivalist sites. Have thought about building a small bunker of some sorts.Not sure yet.

I will soon stock up on long life food and water,kerosene heater/cooker and build bicycle generator.Anyway that's my two cents worth guys, cheers :):)

Here are some pics of a major underground bunker being built using 42 old school buses
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/seanandgoggles/busshelter2.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/seanandgoggles/busshelter.jpg

[21_12_2012]

That's mad stuff Orgo Knight.

Are those pictures from America or Australia? (or elsewhere?) Looks like America to me.

Maybe whoever is building this particular bunker is concerned about nuclear/chemical activity rather than planet X.

Although both situations can't be totally ruled out, some people are very paranoid, and some I suppose have money to burn on such large projects.

Do you know if it's a private/public bunker or whatever ?

Personally I wouldn't want to be around after a major nuclear event, and even if planet X eventually causes 'major devastation', i wonder what the world would be like afterwards...i doubt it would be a pretty place, especially if the loomies are still running it like they are today !

[garth]

Personally I wouldn't want to be around after a major nuclear event, and even if planet X eventually causes 'major devastation', i wonder what the world would be like afterwards...i doubt it would be a pretty place, especially if the loomies are still running it like they are today !

Mad Max - The road Warrior Trailer (http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-3952757725797313711&q=mad+max+2&total=200&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5)

Mad Max Movie intro (http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-3952757725797313711&q=mad+max+2&total=200&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5)

[21_12_2012]

Mad Max - The road Warrior Trailer (http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-3952757725797313711&q=mad+max+2&total=200&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5)

Mad Max Movie intro (http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-3952757725797313711&q=mad+max+2&total=200&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5)

haha..yep..I think instant death would be my preference !

[orgo knight]

That's mad stuff Orgo Knight.

Are those pictures from America or Australia? (or elsewhere?) Looks like America to me.

Maybe whoever is building this particular bunker is concerned about nuclear/chemical activity rather than planet X.

Although both situations can't be totally ruled out, some people are very paranoid, and some I suppose have money to burn on such large projects.

Do you know if it's a private/public bunker or whatever ?

Personally I wouldn't want to be around after a major nuclear event, and even if planet X eventually causes 'major devastation', i wonder what the world would be like afterwards...i doubt it would be a pretty place, especially if the loomies are still running it like they are today !

Yeah 21 12 2012 it's pretty mad. I stumbled across it the other day. It's in America.
Here's some info on it
http://www.ki4u.com/nuclearsurvival/index.htm
Ark Two Shelter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[father ted]

I was wondering how many (if any?) of you guys and gals has an escape/survival plan should anything catastrophic happen and your lives are threatened?

Like run to the hills, or batten down the hatches and burrow in sorta stuff, of has anyone got a plan with provisions made for long term survival?

I have for the last couple of years been plotting and scheming to ensure that I had the best possible chances of survival, started with the basics like

How to get outa town in a hurry when the roads/highways will be blocked with other panicked people? luckily enough for me there is a HT power line that runs from close to my place straight up the hills and into the country, bypassing all major roads, it has an access track that is trafficable by 4wd, so thats what I drive.

have a heaps of other plans/survival tools & tips that i would be happy to share if anyones interested?

GARTH!
Yes, my escame plan has been coming in coincedences, It's been interesting for me. I sort of heard about yours too, row, row, row your boat:D cool:)
When I'm not as pissed I should post my experiences:cool:

[father ted]

Hi orgo knight, according to swerdlow, planet x got destroyed by the reptilian forces from one of the moons of saturn. Also according to swerdlow, there's a stargate in iraq that would have let the annunaki (the one's behind planet x) who are also reptilian but enemies of our reptilian, that would have let them through but not anymore since the invasion of iraq. They destroyed the planet in 2003.

[orgo knight]

Hi orgo knight, according to swerdlow, planet x got destroyed by the reptilian forces from one of the moons of saturn. Also according to swerdlow, there's a stargate in iraq that would have let the annunaki (the one's behind planet x) who are also reptilian but enemies of our reptilian, that would have let them through but not anymore since the invasion of iraq. They destroyed the planet in 2003.

Howdy Father Ted,
I've never heard of that Swerdlow theory before.Will have to check it out sometime :)

[father ted]

Orgo, :

http://www.expansions.com/QA_Comments.cfm

Also, go to the archves and use your "find" option to type in planet x or niburu

[notaslave]

I have no stockpile cant afford it. I would rely on my humour and ability to be one of the crowd lol thats all I have and I aint knocking it.

[thomascovenant]

My plan is the same as my cat`s...Make a lot of noise and try to look big.

[limelady]

My plan is the same as my cat`s...Make a lot of noise and try to look big.


I cracked up when I read this post....then read
your signature !! http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4329/emoticon0136giggleuu6.gif


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2499/lovelimeoa6.jpg

[thomascovenant]

Just changed my sig.was feelin a bit feisty.

[thomascovenant]

Besides, a little "front" can go a long way.

[thomascovenant]

I`m going out like I came in.Kicking, screaming, naked and covered in slime.(maybe not the slime)

[orgo knight]

Orgo, :

http://www.expansions.com/QA_Comments.cfm

Also, go to the archves and use your "find" option to type in planet x or niburu

Howdy Father Ted,
I went to the Swerdlow site intending to have a quick look but found myself having a long look.
The winged lion logo on his website is interesting.
I did find wealth of information there.

Ken at educate Yourself had this to say about him,

"I'm always interested in listening to or reading what Stewart Swerdlow has to say, but bear in mind that Stewart is a (trauma-based program) mind controlled individual; a Montauk Boy. You have to turn your discernment control knob up to number 10 when weighing the accuracy or correctness of his statements. Despite his books, despite the fascinating lectures, depite his hyper psychic abilities (sees auras etc.), despite his weekend training seminars, etc., despite all that, he's still a person who was subjected to intense mind control programming for many years. Fritz Springmeier says that there are THOUSANDS of multible, fail safe programs embedded in such individuals to prevent them from C0MPLETELY freeing themselves from being accessed or influenced by handlers and programmers. That is essentially what Brice Taylor told me in private conversation as well. It's one thing for former mind controlled people to go public and proclaim that they are free of mind control handlers, and yet the reality, when you know the inside story, is not quite that simple. Brice is one of the exceptionally few, high level MC victims to admit it"

Anyway I'll occasionally go back there to have a look, but I'll have my discernment control knob up to number 10. Cheers Tony :)

[father ted]

Good to see you had a look.

This is an old argument that has been answered buy swerdlow and other former mind controll slaves many times.

Please, I advise you, do not trust educateyourself.com, I have been familiar with them a long time now, they are christian, very new age and they don't like anything that opposes their christian beliefs. Wether you agree with him or not, don't take their word over others', especially edeucateyourself's.

The other thing is, swerdlow talks a lot about things that go against what that website has been saying.

[snog]

There are so many different aspects to this whole situation. The law of attration works in many ways. On one side you can protect yourself by attracting positive things to your being ie: things will be ok if the shit goes down. On the other side there are people who are aware of coming Earth changes and will panick about them. But an aspect of this from which we cannot escape is the global consciousness of those who have not yet awoken from their slumber. These people are affecting the rest of us whether we like it or not. And they are in a state of ruthless survival and constant scaricity.

So, I would have to agree with Garth, that we should be prepared for whatever may come. Hopefully its just butterflies and fluffy things, but something inside tell me otherwise.

[father ted]

We'll be fine, lightbeings and ascended masters will save us, they will do everything for us so do not worry your pretty little heads and just smile and be happy:)



:rolleyes:

[snog]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, dont be a dickhead Father Ted:D

[purple is a fruit]

:pWe'll be fine, lightbeings and ascended masters will save us, they will do everything for us so do not worry your pretty little heads and just smile and be happy:)



:rolleyes:


:D:D:D Thanks for your sentiments, they were enlightening, my mind is now at ease and I shall smile and pick daisies and make daisy chains whilst swimming in a soup of lentils and spinach

[dondaz]

The shit hit the fan around here years ago and I'm still here:eek:

[adzboarder]

The last person I want to be if the shit hits the fan is David Icke, He'll open his bedroom curtains bollock naked only to be greated by the sight of 20 thousand people shouting "Messiah, Messiah, have you got enough baked beans to feed 20,000 of us? - Give us a sign, any sign". At which point he's probably give the 2 fingered salute and shout back, "I'm not the kind of guy that says I told you so, but go F*ck yourselves! where were you bastards for the last 20 years?"

LOL Space Lizard that's genius! Hahahaha made my night! :D

[adimon]

I have to say this is one of the best threads I've found yet - and extremely important.

Here's a few thoughts from yours truly:-

1. Bartering

As a couple of people pointed out, it's not about whether you have gold, or traveller's cheques, or monkey nuts - but more about skills - what can you do for someone in order to gain their favour, and possible garner some advancement from them, in an escape/survival situation.

This got me to thinking - what's MY most valuable skill? Something valuable not only to me, but to someone else? Sure, I can cut hair, perform first aid, sew, use computers, make a machete out of rock, etc.. but...probably my best attribute is my speed and endurance. Maybe all this running would pay off. Maybe, in an anarchy-type situtation, running a message or carrying needed supplies would be a valuable skill. It probably would. More on speed in a moment.

2. Groups

People's actions in a crisis situation are influenced most by their family. A mother of three with a husband and two siblings is clearly going to have different priorities to an orphaned only child who never married. Bearing this in mind, it would be useful to divide/assign emergency responsibilities throughout your family or group, so that they can be better actioned/concentrated on, in the event.

One further aspect of group survival, which shouldn't complicate a family dynamic, but would definitely be crucial in larger, or non-family based groups, is skills again, and self-sufficiency. If you contribute a lot to a group that's in a survival situation, then you will demonstrate your value, and others will NEED you. If you're dead weight, cuz you can't do anything, or someone else does it a lot better or faster, then you will be low on the group priority...and may end up getting left behind...or worse.

3. Routes / Objectives

Once immediate needs for survival are taken care of (and Limelady it sounds like you already got those sorted) the next thing to do, obviously, is decide on your course of action.

In even the worst situations - e.g. nuclear holocaust - it is almost always going to be best to head away from large population centers. The reasons for this are many, and I won't go into all of them. It is also best to keep moving when there is any human threat at all. If you hide, baton down hatches etc, you will likely be found. If you are hoarding, you will be obliged to help those that find you, or they will oblige you. If you use speed and guile, your group/family will avoid other people, unless you wish to receive them - you should always use scouts and sentries to preempt the arrival of people, and help you with your decisions.

(You might be thinking right now that this all sounds very military, and why can't our group meet up with other groups and help one another get through it, and form some sort of consensus and plan, and division of labor. Like communism in general, a great theory. But studies have shown that small group survivalism gives you a better chance in a crisis, than community or ideology. Better to get away from all until it blows over. And if doesn't blow over, then at least you've taken some of the pressure off by returning to a more natural, foraging, hunter/gatherer methodology.)

So speed is crucial. I would therefore recommend you travel as light as possible. This not only means faster movement, but faster camp and decampment. Never take anything you can't leave at 5mins notice. Even under extreme threat, if you're fast and resourceful, you can usually find fresh camp and nourishment within 24hours. You won't be able to do that if you're carrying 6months of food with you.

(Sorry if some of this is obvious, but I'm on a roll now, and I'm a pretty stream-of-consciousness* type guy to start with)

*= rambler :D

So, in terms of my specific routes and objectives - in most long-term crises I would get to a boat and get to somewhere remote. You've got to get a long way from airports, basically, if you want to be truly remote. Hebrides might do it, but pick your spot well for flora/fauna. Remember also that animal populations, when hunted, drop off fairly rapidly, as they don't mate that often in general. You're much better to plan for fishing.

4. Weapons

Crossbows ain't bad. Rifles are better, and more accurate for those with less practise and training. And if you have to stop something, be it a deer you wanna eat, or a crazy human you're defending yourself against, then a rifle is more likely to do the job.

5. NBC (Nuclear, biological, chemical)

Last thought. NBC protective gear is hard to get cuz the Army don't even have enough for our soldiers, but some basic research will show you the risks and methods of helping yourself, should it come to this.

But, to finish, once again, great thread Garth. :cool:

Hope some of this is useful.

And remember, no plan survives first contact with the enemy. :eek:

[i_am]

4. Weapons

Crossbows ain't bad. Rifles are better, and more accurate for those with less practise and training. And if you have to stop something, be it a deer you wanna eat, or a crazy human you're defending yourself against, then a rifle is more likely to do the job.


And remember, no plan survives first contact with the enemy. :eek:

Rifle is a bit of a problem in Australia. We have full on gun control and all of the good citizens were forced to hand in their guns. So now its only the bad guys, farmers and professional shooters who have guns and they are licenced (not the bad guys, obviously)

[garth]

Rifle is a bit of a problem in Australia. We have full on gun control and all of the good citizens were forced to hand in their guns. So now its only the bad guys, farmers and professional shooters who have guns and they are licenced (not the bad guys, obviously)

Yep, you have to be licensed, but getting one is not to hard provided you don't have a criminal record. If your interested have a look at the SSAA website here (http://www.ssaa.org.au/)

I'm about to get off me bum and get a license, it's a one day course.

[resistance]

Rifle is a bit of a problem in Australia. We have full on gun control and all of the good citizens were forced to hand in their guns. So now its only the bad guys, farmers and professional shooters who have guns and they are licenced (not the bad guys, obviously)

Thats exactly the problem that i have noticed over here! all the law abiding people which is the majority of the good, all hand in their firearms to make the country so say safer (its not the good people that are a problem that own firearms) while all of the crooks (the ones that are the problem) gangsters and people that one can't trust all keep hold of them! so effectively the law is working against good people while the crooks just carry on regardless. If an anarchy situation does develop in the future the only people who will have the means to protect them selfs and their family's from angry mobs will be the crooks, it is these very people that will become your local warlords.

[i_am]

Yep, you have to be licensed, but getting one is not to hard provided you don't have a criminal record. If your interested have a look at the SSAA website here (http://www.ssaa.org.au/)

I'm about to get off me bum and get a license, it's a one day course.

yeah forgot to mention sporting shooters but the law states that you must compete at least three times a year (i think) to retain your license

[garth]

yeah forgot to mention sporting shooters but the law states that you must compete at least three times a year (i think) to retain your license

From what I know, in Queensland the procedure is this.

You have to have a valid reason for owning a firearm, if you are a paid member of the SSAA ($73.00 per year) you can use the sports & recreational shooter as a reason.

Secondly you have to attend and pass a firearms safety course ($55.00)

Thirdly you have to make an application to the Qld police, provided you do not have a history with them (criminal record) you get your license.($34.40)

The only proviso on the license is that you have to remain a member of the SSAA (pay you annual fee's).

The above process is for rifles & shot guns, handguns are a lot harder.Semi automatic rifles & shotguns require you to be a primary producer or professional hunter.

Not sure of the other states :D

[adzboarder]

Give them a link to this thread as the reason!

[eat_a_grey]

I live by several food/beer distributors,and I may or may not have firearms.

The strong will survive,or die trying ;)

[ashyr]

im doing a course atm 2 year AVT (adventure toursim) learning basics and advanced stuff about survivalism and also how ot have heaps of fun with nature.
raftin, (good to have for the water were about to get )
rock climbing. ( well u might have to climb out of some hole)
snow. cant wait bring on the snow -D