Alex Collier - Reptillian Rulers.

[cowboy]

Hey guys, i stumbled across a video of an indiviual named "alex collier". He has claimed to encounter aliens, and explained who they are, their motives, etc...HE talks about reptillians as one of the aliens, and talks about them feeding off energy,fear etc.... Basically what Icke preaches.


Here is the video, pretty interesting, i think you guys will enjoy the interview.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


that is part one, part 2,3,4 etc....are on the right hand side of the video.

:D

[cleft_asunder]

I posted this a while back, and I highly recommend it. One thing to note is that he mentions that the Plaidians told him that it is the Greys who are the ones that feed off of fear, rather than Reptilians. However, I have read that the Greys, through their abductions, create massive fear and sort of act as a conduite for the Reptilians/dark forces who really feed off the fear. Therefore, I doubt it's missinformation. Above all it's probably a mistake, or an oversight.

[11kushna11]

The 'greys' account for dozens of different species, and generalisations are dangerous. Some are good, some are bad. We tend to 'blanket' extraterrestrials under 'good/bad' headings but I'd venture that the distinctions and differences between individuals would be even more 'evolved' than in humans, in both aspects of the +/- duality.

Collier comes across as a very genuine, respectable and intelligent person but hasn't received any attention at all in ufology circles. Anyone know if he's done anything recently?

[thirdwave]

I watched these the other day and found him to be very interesting....

also I don't think he said the Greys are the only ones who suck off our energy...

it was a bunch of aliens who are of a reptilian breed... and they manipulate many ETEs including the greys.... it is them who feed off of us.... and the greys have been manipulated to do the same while they have their own agenda to do with their genetics....

even some people on earth have been manipulated to feed off of the negative energy from earth..

[montag]

I did a quick search on this guy and come up with this, make of it what you will..

From: Bob Soetebier <bikebob@mo.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:46:02 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:58:31 -0500
Subject: Alex Collier (Andromedan 'Contactee') - Exposed?


Alex Collier -- "Andromedan 'Contactee'" -- Exposed?


The following exerptation is taken from an article entitled,
"Beyond Great UFO Photos: An Inquiry Into The Billy Meier Case,"
written by Michael Horn (a self-proclaimed Billy Meier
supporter). The excerpted text appears, as part of the
above-mentioned article, on page 49 in the March, 1999, (Vol.
14, No. 3) issue of "UFO Magazine" (Sunland, CA).:

[....]

In 1986, I was in Sedona, Arizona.... ...I noticed the only
other customer in the place dining alone, and invited him to
join us. Ralph was a former IRS agent who, as it turned out, was
also very fascinated with UFOs. ...he invited me to contact him
at his Malibu, California, home when I returned to the city. It
turned out that not only did Ralph have the famous [Billy Meier]
"Contact from the Pleiades...Volume 1" he also had "...Volume 2"
and the "Contact Notes," an 1800-plus page copy of a document
the existence of which was previously unknown to me.

[....]

Ralph, whose last name was Amagran (or something similar; it's
been over 12 years) was a great aficionado of the case and
generously loaned me the whole transcript.

We became friends and occasionally spent evenings outside his
home in the hills overlooking the Pacific Ocean, scanning the
star-studded sky for UFOs. We probably spent more time getting
excited by the distant approach of incoming Cessnas and seagulls
than any two people ever have, before or since. It's a toss-up
as to who had the biggest imagination at the time, but Ralph may
have finally edged me out. He's since changed his name to Alex
Collier and declared himself to be a long-time Andromedan
contactee. Apparently the Andromedans told him an awful lot of
the exact same stuff that the Pleiadians told Meier, which he
suddenly remembered. What a coincidence!
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1999/jan/m23-004.shtml

[thirdwave]

this guys info is nothing like billy meyer's though... i still dont even know what billy meyer's point is....

[graflok]

Be careful, folks. Collier is a former (?) IRS agent.

[barbitone]

He certainly speaks some truth tho. Either way. He does look pretty genuinely emotional about it all. If you read him, and not his words so much.
Overall it lined up pretty well for me. I hope we're all wrong tho. I never want to have to come face to face with a hostile reptilian being. :(

I do wish more importance was put on the way out of this than the problems themselves. There still needs to be a lot more love and unity if we want to join those of higher consciousness. And it seems to be a case of, catch up or eat dust, for humanity in it's current,apparent situation.

[adramelech]

this guys info is nothing like billy meyer's though... i still dont even know what billy meyer's point is....

Exactly what I thought. It's funny that someone would write a smear piece and put in something that is so blatantly wrong.

The Collier videos are great because anyone who knows how to read body language can instantly analyze the information, much better than audio. He obviously speaks what he believes is the truth and shows no tell-tale signs of mind control "accesssing" behaviour or lying/nervousness. "The Gods of Eden" is indeed an excellent work and much of what Collier communicates in the later portions of the interview will and should resonate immediately. The fact that he predicted a great disaster in August or September of 2001 nearly 14 years ago is another notch in his favor.

Collier is genuine, at least within himself. As with anything, take in all the information, do your research and decide for yourself.

I never want to have to come face to face with a hostile reptilian being.

No, you don't.

[mahabaratara]

So much to watch so little time...I am going to have to book mark it...I have heard of him though...

And Adra the Reptilians power is not absolute...

[mito]

Collier sounds true, my research indicates that all (most) of what he says is true, but decide for yourselves. Either way, he's got a point, we have to GROW UP and do it now.

[montag]

Collier sounds true, my research indicates that all (most) of what he says is true, but decide for yourselves. Either way, he's got a point, we have to GROW UP and do it now.
Good on ya mito and welcome to the forum..:D

[montag]

this guys info is nothing like billy meyer's though... i still dont even know what billy meyer's point is....
I'm not familiar with Billy Meiers work so I'll take your word for it..

[mito]

Good on ya mito and welcome to the forum..:D

Thanks :p

[limelady]

I tried hard to watch all the parts of this vid, but eventually gave up because the sound of my shite-o-meter clanging in my ears was very distracting.

Like all good disinfo there is a lot of truth in there.....just a shame about the rest of it :(

[cleft_asunder]

The 'greys' account for dozens of different species, and generalisations are dangerous. Some are good, some are bad. We tend to 'blanket' extraterrestrials under 'good/bad' headings but I'd venture that the distinctions and differences between individuals would be even more 'evolved' than in humans, in both aspects of the +/- duality.

Collier comes across as a very genuine, respectable and intelligent person but hasn't received any attention at all in ufology circles. Anyone know if he's done anything recently?

His having not received attention from ufo circles is indication that he's telling the truth. The UFO community is a religion, and to focus on the truth too much is heresy.

I think there are more than dozens of Greys. From what I've read, they have a hive mind and are being used by the Reptilians, and they can't do anything about it. That is not to suggest that if the Reptilians disappear one day, that theese greys are naturally benevolent. I've also read that some are "empy," as in soul-less, or more specifically they are cloned bio robots. I'm not convinced that any of them are benevolent, as most of that "benevolent grey" info comes from the UFO community.

[adramelech]

I tried hard to watch all the parts of this vid, but eventually gave up because the sound of my shite-o-meter clanging in my ears was very distracting.

Like all good disinfo there is a lot of truth in there.....just a shame about the rest of it :(

What kind of disinformation tactics do you think Collier is communicating? Being mistaken or incorrect is not disinformation.

[cleft_asunder]

Exactly what I thought. It's funny that someone would write a smear piece and put in something that is so blatantly wrong.

The Collier videos are great because anyone who knows how to read body language can instantly analyze the information, much better than audio. He obviously speaks what he believes is the truth and shows no tell-tale signs of mind control "accesssing" behaviour or lying/nervousness. "The Gods of Eden" is indeed an excellent work and much of what Collier communicates in the later portions of the interview will and should resonate immediately. The fact that he predicted a great disaster in August or September of 2001 nearly 14 years ago is another notch in his favor.

Collier is genuine, at least within himself. As with anything, take in all the information, do your research and decide for yourself.



No, you don't.


That sums it up nicely. I am really good with body language and faces, and I didn't find any hint of acting in this interview.

[adramelech]

His having not received attention from ufo circles is indication that he's telling the truth. The UFO community is a religion, and to focus on the truth too much is heresy.

Yes, exactly. Although a handful of the older UFOlogy groups and researchers still exist without infiltration, the majority of the field is a glorified belief system.

[limelady]

What kind of disinformation tactics do you think Collier is communicating? Being mistaken or incorrect is not disinformation.

Correct, but it is misinformation, and the result is the same. Faulty information....or at least non-factual.

I read his eyes......

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7523/liesmd4.jpg

Collier's eyes were constantly looking upwards to the left which indicates he was constructing images in his mind as he was being interviewed, NOT remembering them.

Intuition told me the same thing.

[montag]

Correct, but it is misinformation, and the result is the same. Faulty information....or at least non-factual.

I read his eyes......

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7523/liesmd4.jpg

Collier's eyes were constantly looking upwards to the left which indicates he was constructing images in his mind as he was being interviewed, NOT remembering them.
How the top little man is looking to right when it say's he is looking to the left and vice versa with the other one? Is it mixed up or am I reading it wrong?

[limelady]

Yeah I noticed that.... it reads from the viewers point of view.

[teslafire]

I saw it awhile ago. I think he speaks truth with fiction, however, that truth is very bland and/or common sense (i.e. truth, freedom, love, we've got to change course, free will, god within you) and the fiction is fantastic.

[adramelech]

I don't mean to turn this into a debate, but I've studied NLP for years. The information you are referencing there was first put forward by Richard Bandler. It's not supposed to be absolute, it's a general reference point. You have to understand someone well before you can apply visual access clues to them - for example, whether they are right or left-handed or neurotypical. Eye movements also correspond to a person's mode of thinking, not strictly memory access.

[limelady]

I don't mean to turn this into a debate, but I've studied NLP for years. The information you are referencing there was first put forward by Richard Bandler. It's not supposed to be absolute, it's a general reference point. You have to understand someone well before you can apply visual access clues to them - for example, whether they are right or left-handed or neurotypical. Eye movements also correspond to a person's mode of thinking, not strictly memory access.

Hi adramelech, yes you're right of course and I'm aware of what you're saying, but when somebody does it often its a pretty good indicator that 'something' is amiss with what they're saying.....Collier does it a lot.

I agree with teslafire - Collier speaks some truth mixed in with a lot of fiction, but hey, each must make up their own mind.

[adramelech]

I saw it awhile ago. I think he speaks truth with fiction, however, that truth is very bland and/or common sense (i.e. truth, freedom, love, we've got to change course, free will, god within you) and the fiction is fantastic.

There's an enormous amount of truth in what Collier communicates regarding the reptilian presence on this planet. I don't regard information attained from other wordly sources as any more or less accurate than anyone else, since I understand they are simply beings like you or I with their own agendas. Therefore, I can't speak as to whether Collier's entire narrative about the beings he claims contact with and their information is accurate, such as the elaborate space histories. I can tell you that the information dealing directly with this planet is spot-on.

[teslafire]

I can tell you that the information dealing directly with this planet is spot-on.

He says stuff about their tunnel systems, and needs for sacrifice (he doesn't say sacrifice though), energy harvesting, underground bases. This interview is from '94, and alot of that information was already put out in the alternative communities by that time.

But how can you confirm that there are exactly 1833 Reptilians 100 miles below the crust?

He also states the greys have messed with the timeline and have only been around for about seventy years and that they are their own individual race with their own soul mission.

From everything I've absorbed, greys are unsouled beings.

[adramelech]

He says stuff about their tunnel systems, and needs for sacrifice (he doesn't say sacrifice though), energy harvesting, underground bases. This interview is from '94, and alot of that information was already put out in the alternative communities by that time.

But how can you confirm that there are exactly 1833 Reptilians 100 miles below the crust?

He also states the greys have messed with the timeline and have only been around for about seventy years and that they are their own individual race with their own soul mission.

From everything I've absorbed, greys are unsouled beings.

Actually, I realize I didn't communicate my thoughts clearly enough. I meant to say that I cannot vouch for any of the specific information Collier claims has come from his contacts. The information he communicates regarding Earth that can be researched and identified beyond the scope of "a Pleiadian told me so" is truthful. Although it's true that by 1994, this information, and that of reptilians in particular, was finally starting to make an emergence in alternative media, Colliers thoughts seem particularly well composed for the time.

[cleft_asunder]

Correct, but it is misinformation, and the result is the same. Faulty information....or at least non-factual.

I read his eyes......

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7523/liesmd4.jpg

Collier's eyes were constantly looking upwards to the left which indicates he was constructing images in his mind as he was being interviewed, NOT remembering them.

Intuition told me the same thing.

Meaningless diagrams.

[king]

I tried hard to watch all the parts of this vid, but eventually gave up because the sound of my shite-o-meter clanging in my ears was very distracting.

Like all good disinfo there is a lot of truth in there.....just a shame about the rest of it :(

limelady,
you intuition seems to be lot better tuned than intuition of most of the other people here.
:)

i agree that this goes perfectly with alien agenda thingy, that BTW is not working out as the elite has hoped.

even though Alex looks like an sincere man -- I am sure that this was just part of an elaborate Alien Invasion agenda that was exposed by some brave people like Bill Cooper.
BTW, there is something in AC's expression of the emotion that is NOT real.
Part of me want to belive what he is saying, but other part is telling me "hey man, that story is B.S., disinfo. Can't you see it"


have no one else noticed the time frame when those videos were made?
it has been few years now. where is he now?
what are the aliens 'chanelling' now?
bbbbbusted?

I suggest people start listening to William Cooper, he was duped in believing in alien agenda, so then later he started exposing it, just like other dirty tricks and plans of the rulling elite.

time to use that gray matter people!
how come we are only given stories of doom and gloom?
why would a more advanced alien species enjoy tormenting human kind?

there is no evidence of evil aliens who are doing the evil deed to us, but there is ample evidence that a group of elite people exists, people that have total earthly power.

Steven Hawking (CIA), Whitley Strieber (CIA), Linda Moulton-Howe (Eastern Star) and Alex Collier (probably CIA) are in the bed together, with many others who are pushing alien crap. from a "face on mars" to grey alien ETs
who are supposedly like semi conscious droids, to cattle mutilations, to Icke's reptilians ... it is a lie!

That is why "alien secrets" are being "exposed" on Art Bell and Noory's propaganda/brainwashing shows.
For fucks sake -- you do not just "leak secrets" and you get to live afterwards, much less go blabbing from one show to another!

I mean they whacked out Kennedy but they will not whack out someone relatively insignificant who is a huge liability!

In past 5 years about 88 microbiologists got whacked out,
so then, why are those "exposing government-alien connection"
still alive?

Agan Bill Cooper was naming many of them disinfo fuckers, one after other and this was in 1990's!
listen to him!

and be perfectly honest -- you would change the world to your liking if you had the power. I know I would.

I'd arrest all masons/secret orders, then i'd flatten their lodges and put some of them mason fucks in cages, displayed in prominent places around the globe.
then, i'd make all of the secret knowledgte exposed and
part of the reqired school currriculum.
or maybe castrate RedNecks .....

:D
see, each of us have our own thing, just like those in power do.

it is just bunch of sick psychopaths that are fucking with humanity as they have done through millenia.

time to start some critical thinking processes.

[teslafire]

Actually, I realize I didn't communicate my thoughts clearly enough. I meant to say that I cannot vouch for any of the specific information Collier claims has come from his contacts.

I don't mean to pry but you seem to speak from a place of personal experience though I can't recall you ever sharing it.

Is there some other source of information you have aside from intuition and research?

[adramelech]

Haha, there's that term - "Icke's reptilians". I love it, two little words, so much credibility lost. I also hate when people feel the need to namedrop William Cooper as some kind of supreme authority. He was a great researcher and a gifted speaker who communicated his personal point of view well. That's all. Thirdly, just because something is used or manipulated as an elite agenda doesn't mean it originated as an elite agenda. Really, I have a lot to say to a post like that, but it would turn into a rant.

I'm curious to hear about your thoughts on the origins of psychopathy though.

[cleft_asunder]

limelady,
you intuition seems to be lot better tuned than intuition of most of the other people here.
:)

i agree that this goes perfectly with alien agenda thingy, that BTW is not working out as the elite has hoped.

even though Alex looks like an sincere man -- I am sure that this was just part of an elaborate Alien Invasion agenda that was exposed by some brave people like Bill Cooper.
BTW, there is something in AC's expression of the emotion that is NOT real.
Part of me want to belive what he is saying, but other part is telling me "hey man, that story is B.S., disinfo. Can't you see it"


have no one else noticed the time frame when those videos were made?
it has been few years now. where is he now?
what are the aliens 'chanelling' now?
bbbbbusted?

I suggest people start listening to William Cooper, he was duped in believing in alien agenda, so then later he started exposing it, just like other dirty tricks and plans of the rulling elite.

time to use that gray matter people!
how come we are only given stories of doom and gloom?
why would a more advanced alien species enjoy tormenting human kind?

there is no evidence of evil aliens who are doing the evil deed to us, but there is ample evidence that a group of elite people exists, people that have total earthly power.

Steven Hawking (CIA), Whitley Strieber (CIA), Linda Moulton-Howe (Eastern Star) and Alex Collier (probably CIA) are in the bed together, with many others who are pushing alien crap. from a "face on mars" to grey alien ETs
who are supposedly like semi conscious droids, to cattle mutilations, to Icke's reptilians ... it is a lie!

That is why "alien secrets" are being "exposed" on Art Bell and Noory's propaganda/brainwashing shows.
For fucks sake -- you do not just "leak secrets" and you get to live afterwards, much less go blabbing from one show to another!

I mean they whacked out Kennedy but they will not whack out someone relatively insignificant who is a huge liability!

In past 5 years about 88 microbiologists got whacked out,
so then, why are those "exposing government-alien connection"
still alive?

Agan Bill Cooper was naming many of them disinfo fuckers, one after other and this was in 1990's!
listen to him!

and be perfectly honest -- you would change the world to your liking if you had the power. I know I would.

I'd arrest all masons/secret orders, then i'd flatten their lodges and put some of them mason fucks in cages, displayed in prominent places around the globe.
then, i'd make all of the secret knowledgte exposed and
part of the reqired school currriculum.
or maybe castrate RedNecks .....

:D
see, each of us have our own thing, just like those in power do.

it is just bunch of sick psychopaths that are fucking with humanity as they have done through millenia.

time to start some critical thinking processes.

You seem to have a very simple concept of advanced species. You naively think that advanced species would be like us, but smart enough to avoid our faults, and too smart to be malevolent. Your error is that you don't even consider the most obvious fact, that diversity is the name of life. Just look at the amazing number of lifeforms here on earth! So to make an assumption such as intelligence = benevolence is absurd. You ask the question, "why would a more advanced alien species enjoy tormenting human kind?" and I answer by telling you that they feed off our fear, and Earth is our chicken coop.

[a fine naked fellow]

Like it as not, they are here, they are real. And it’s a beautiful thing we can talk about it.

[1 2 free]

His body language is incredibley sketchy. He keeps looking to the right (implying he's creating rather than remembering), he regularly touches his nose and other parts of his face when making statements (implying he's lying), he has all sorts of nervous twitches, etc. In part one he talks about the humnoid alien court system where people where people are read telepathically to examine their guilt. Then in part two he says the humanoid aliens don't commit crimes. Notice how uncomfortable he gets when he realises he's contridicted himself.

Much of what he says fits with what other people are claiming and he certainly has some positive messages but there are too many red flags.

[logic bomb]

For those of you who like to read :)

Defending Sacred Ground: The Andromedan Compendium

The Story of Alex Collier and his lifetime personal contact with the Zenetaen
culture from Andromeda

http://www.exopolitics.org/collier-dsg1.pdf


lb

[11kushna11]

logic bomb, you spoil us. I'll read through that today and report anything interesting for those who may not have the time.

NLP is a complex concept and eye movements, body gestures etc don't imply anything unless you recognise the behaviour of the individual on a consistent basis and formulate a pattern in their mind-body co-ordination. There are no signals to suggest that Collier is a liar. I would say he is nervous and uncomfortable but wouldn't you be if you had to sit in front of somebody and relay this kind of information? I wouldn't say he's done it for the attention or fame since he's had precious little of it. That either makes him a madman, a confused man or an honest man.

Either way something tells me that we shouldn't dismiss this guy outright. Nothing he says is any more outlandish or any more provable than the majority of Icke's work.

[thirdwave]

I am more inclined to believe this guy than not... all that body language stuff I don't buy it a bit.... IF he is a con man then he would be a very good one and would know all about the body language thing and if he was apart of the elite then I think they would no a fare bit about it as well...... and that would be his talent...... For me there are aliens out there of all kinds just like he says, and its completely crazy to think otherwise.... so once you drill that fact inside.... and understand that some are just like us... some are very different and there are millions of them then people like this guy are not so hard to believe.... also allot of people just analyse for contradictions among other abductees or researchers... and the elite love you for it because it gives them a good tool to use against you.... the bottom line is if there are millions of races out there with separate karmas and agendas... how can it all be written down on one sheet?... I look for clued up knowledge and understanding of spirituality... I believe people first ... until I find my self being pulled into some smelly stuff... then I pull out.... with this guy there was no smelly stuff... even the fact that he said some of the reptilians where 17 feet tall!... to be honest that explains some of the sketches drawn by ancient people with huge people standing next to small people.... there have also been a number of people (not sure if this guy has) that have claimed to of been on board a space ship and they have been through a lie detector and hypnotism and they have been proven to be not lying.... it just comes down to people not having it in their belief system to see it as a realistic thing... all it would take if for everyone here to see a UFO land and for a couple reptilian beings hop off and walk about and hop back on and fly off... and all of a sudden everyone here would believe this guy %100... because it would unlock your belief system.... who can explain what those huge UFOs a few weeks ago in the UK where?... over a mile big ...could those be some of these beings that have taken the odd person on board? ...no?

[king]

Haha, there's that term - "Icke's reptilians". I love it, two little words, so much credibility lost.


really?
so, who was the one to first push "reptilian theory" in "conspiracy research community"


I also hate when people feel the need to namedrop William Cooper as some kind of supreme authority.


he was a great researcher who went where others had not dare. who got deceived by same government created Alien agenda, but then was a man enough to admit that he was wrong.

He was a great researcher and a gifted speaker who communicated his personal point of view well. That's all.

right, just like everyone else does. Icke , Collier or Adramelech or I.
what is your point?


Thirdly, just because something is used or manipulated as an elite agenda doesn't mean it originated as an elite agenda. Really, I have a lot to say to a post like that, but it would turn into a rant.
really?
did you know that faked alien invasion is a very old plan?
older than what is usually believed.
i'd let you guess the year.


I'm curious to hear about your thoughts on the origins of psychopathy though.

starting here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151&q=century+of+self

then do more research and see how far in past does it leads you.

the fact is -- we live in a society that is controlling us using all of its sciences, and one of those sciences is psychology.

the 'norms' of psychology are established by those same psychopaths in power, so that they can control and direct humanity to their (psychopaths' ) desires.



as far as Cooper being "unreliable"
what do you think of.. of that dude in your signature?
hasn't his theories being exposed for wht they are?

:):):)
ha, ha.....talking about fucked up credibility adra!

:D

adramelech's signature:

"There are very probably alien civilizations that are superhuman, to the point of being god-like in ways that exceed anything a theologian could possibly imagine. Their technical achievements would seem as supernatural to us as ours would seem to a Dark Age peasant transported to the twenty-first century"
- Richard Dawkins

--

since you are a transhumanist it would be interesting for those who can think for themselves to read the
following, then think who else is pushing this idea:

Transhumanism
movement supporting the use of new sciences and technologies to enhance human mental and physical abilities and aptitudes, and ameliorate what it regards as undesirable and unnecessary aspects of the human condition, such as stupidity, suffering, disease, ageing and involuntary death. Transhumanist thinkers study the possibilities and consequences of developing and using human enhancement techniques and other emerging technologies for these purposes. Possible dangers, as well as benefits, of powerful new technologies that might radically change the conditions of human life are also of concern to the transhumanist movement.

"undesirable and unnecessary aspects of the human condition, such as stupidity, suffering, disease, ageing and involuntary death."

euthanasia anyone?

"human enhancement techniques and other emerging technologies "

microchip anyone?

[thirdwave]

You seem to have a very simple concept of advanced species. You naively think that advanced species would be like us, but smart enough to avoid our faults, and too smart to be malevolent. Your error is that you don't even consider the most obvious fact, that diversity is the name of life. Just look at the amazing number of lifeforms here on earth! So to make an assumption such as intelligence = benevolence is absurd. You ask the question, "why would a more advanced alien species enjoy tormenting human kind?" and I answer by telling you that they feed off our fear, and Earth is our chicken coop.


also some humans like to touchier animals for fun.... some humans like to sexually abuse kids for fun.... both cases of a more advanced being abusing his/her power.... and in aliens case it has nothing to do with a grasp on ethics .. some beings simply do not care for others... they may understand karma... and how you get what you put out.... but this alien race are not enforcing anything on us we are doing it our self's... they are just benefiting from it and making efforts to promotes our actions that suit them most.... they asked Adam and Eve to bite the fruit... they did not hold them down and force it down them....

[king]

You seem to have a very simple concept of advanced species. You naively think that advanced species would be like us, but smart enough to avoid our faults, and too smart to be malevolent. Your error is that you don't even consider the most obvious fact, that diversity is the name of life. Just look at the amazing number of lifeforms here on earth! So to make an assumption such as intelligence = benevolence is absurd. You ask the question, "why would a more advanced alien species enjoy tormenting human kind?" and I answer by telling you that they feed off our fear, and Earth is our chicken coop.

I am not buying it. 'Feed of fear' sounds as a ridiculous reason.
what, them aliens do not have scalartronic fear collectors that tap into every molecule of our bodies?
And what do they exactly do with all that fear in fear storage tanks?
do they export it?


look, governments, rulers, the elite -- whatever you want to call them had always used the fear as a weapon.
Romans have used it, Lenin did, Stalin did, Hitler has done the same and today's leaders of the world are doing the same, again and again.
because FEAR = OBEDIENCE, the fear is used over and over.
when we fear something -- we do not think with our logical brain do we? we use that 2 bit reptilian brain, with its simplistic processing power of fight-or-flight.
but somehow, even standard ods of 50/50 are always stacked up against us, we seem to be pushed by our lovely rulers and all media that they control (including "alternative sites" on Internet) exclusively to flight mode, never to fight.

how convenient is that all is stacked up against us. how convenient that evil Saddam, Evil Hitler or Evil Aliens are always there to get our asses. How convenient for rulers that things never happen in our favor.
How convenient that there are no rumors, much less sightings of good aliens that want to help us, only those who want to eat us alive.


if there was a real extraterrestrial threat, don't you think that elite and their hacks would be in underground bunkers saving their own behinds and we would be left to fend off for ourselves and fight those aliens?

it is plain stupid to even think that elite would "leak" any information that could expose REAL secrets.
And, if "evil aliens" exist, you can bet you ass that "good aliens" exist as well.

everything is in a balance, only we are unable to see that invisible balance.
if balance did not exist -- the earth would had ceased to exist long time ago.
there is a perfect equilibrium in universe and that fact is more than evident everywhere
you look in nature around you.

so, what do we do nowadays?
instead of watching those quickly moving hands of our earthly-born masters that are making all of those changes that affect us all, those nefarious moves that we should stop -- we are chasing frigging aliens who may be here and there and everywhere or.... nowhere... because they are interdimensional, you see.
ok, who is crazy here?

and i bet you that none of you have seen an alien, yet you can feel every single day on your own skin what evil humans are doing to you, to all of us.
hello?

if people like you do not wake up on time -- the elite will have their way with all of us.

so, before you go to bed tonight think about this for a bit.

I feel as if I am talking to bunch of school children here.

It is unfortunate that to many people this obvious alien mind fuck has also become just another bread and circuses type of an event, just like a superbowl is for Joe Shmo.

why is so difficult for you people to see it?
why can't you use your intuition and see how they are fucking with us?

thanks to people like you, i understand lot better how easy is to fuck with human mind.

[king]

also some humans like to touchier animals for fun....


I do not want to know how you know that

some humans like to sexually abuse kids for fun....

i doubt it that it is for fun, it is a perversion of the mind, IMO

both cases of a more advanced being abusing his/her power....

explain to me how can you be a more advanced being if you are abusing your power and hurting other being?
if you are "advanced being" then you are "advanced" to
understand what is hurtfull and avoid hurting others

and in aliens case it has nothing to do with a grasp on ethics .. some beings simply do not care for others... they may understand karma... and how you get what you put out.... but this alien race are not enforcing anything on us we are doing it our self's... they are just benefiting from it and making efforts to promotes our actions that suit them most.... they asked Adam and Eve to bite the fruit... they did not hold them down and force it down them....

you are contradicting your self here and also putting lots of assumptions on the plate.


who were the aliens that asked "Adam and Eve to bite the fruit"???

[adramelech]

And now this guy is trying to "educate" me on psychopathy, classic. Look around five posts up and then tell me how "how far back" you go. Psychopathic behaviour is inhuman by definition and inhuman in origin.

Your entire paradigm approaching this information is completely wrong. You are looking at the concept of "alien" life as depicted by propaganda and the mainstream media, as some kind of powerful external force, a polemic presence that "does this" and "does that" as a race or group. In reality, these "aliens" or "gods" are just beings like you and I. The elite bask in being called "gods" because of a public ignorant of the origins of their power, their genetics and their manipulation.

A lot of what you say is completely wrong, and I'm sure you know that.

"How convenient that there are no rumors, much less sightings of good aliens that want to help us, only those who want to eat us alive."

I haven't the slightest clue how you could say that and believe it with a straight face. The entire history of UFOlogy as established by the government is filled, end to end, with benevolent Space Brothers. The entire New Age religion is based around the premise of enlightened "aliens" or spiritual masters returning to Earth to enlighten and help mankind. To this very day, the concept of implying that a form of alien life is actually engaging in predatory behaviour is considered abbhorent in the UFOlogy movement. The very video that you are discussing goes into great detail about benevolent "aliens" aiding humanity, discussing the topic for nearly 40 minutes. This quote shows that you are only seeing and hearing what you want to hear.

I don't see anyone here "chasing aliens" or running in fear of them (your simplistic definition of the reptilian brain is misleading by the way). Of course we have to acknowledge, research and resist the actions being perpetrated by outwardly human leaders in the pathocracy we live in. We can also dig and attempt to find the source or root of this behaviour deep in our past.

You also communicate contradictory ideas.

"it is plain stupid to even think that elite would "leak" any information that could expose REAL secrets."

Then how do you know any of the information you purport to understand? Because William Cooper said so? Isn't that exposing secrets? The reality of the situation is that the elite could not care less whether the "truth" comes out. In fact, you could broadcast it on national television and it wouldn't make a lick of difference because people have been programmed to reject it. Whene you control what the public views as believable or unbelievable, valid or invalid, you do not have to pay attention to the flow of information because you have a self-policing system. The elite have put the truth right in your face in the form of fiction or "mythology" and called it predictive programming.

The forum destroyed about half of this message while I was trying to post it, but the basic point I'm trying to communicate is that you obviously have a firm understanding of psychopathic government and physical, every day political corruption and elite control. Important information to have, but you seem to respond to anything beyond that understanding with intense vitriol and I'm sure there's another reason for that besides the words of William Cooper. The concept of inhuman intelligence playing a role in human history seems abhorrent to you. Do you think that because a faux "alien" invasion is planned to play into images and memes implanted in the psyche of the general population that it discounts the reality of actual alien life? That's Randi logic.

[wolfchild]

yes' i too have come across alex collier! it really does sound convincing, check out his book that you can read on the internet for free (defending sacred ground).
Alex collier did used to feature on the SIGHTINGS channel on SKY TV back in the day.
He was asked by the ANDROMEDANS to take down his site and was closely monitored by the C.I.A.
The only thing that puts me off is that in his book he said the ANDROMEDANS was to intervene and help rid the planet of all extraterrestrials by 2003 using force if necessary.
well' it seems that the manipulation is still on going and were still not evolving the way humanity should be?
so i guess the ANDROMEDANS sort of put the invasion on hold of ridding the reptilians & grays from our planet.
check out ''PEGGY KANE'' also on '' YOU TUBE'' she to has lots to say about THE REPTILIANS! (very scary stuff - if true'
you might have problems sleeping at night. (lol)

[earthseed]

You have to understand people that speak out about ETs or the Elites are not going to be called truthful they will always be called liars. Both by authority figures and people that are not in power. Both groups are protecting themselves by not listening to what they say. What I find amusing is fringe forums still need everyone to agree with something for it to be true as well. We still are people aren't we? Group think.

[limelady]

wolfchild said:
The only thing that puts me off is that in his book he said the ANDROMEDANS was to intervene and help rid the planet of all extraterrestrials by 2003 using force if necessary. well' it seems that the manipulation is still on going and were still not evolving the way humanity should be?
so i guess the ANDROMEDANS sort of put the invasion on hold of ridding the reptilians & grays from our planet

And does this not flap a red flag in your face about the quality of the Collier information wolfchild? Or is it easier to make excuses such as the Andromedans (for some reason beyond our own inferior comprehension because being dumb earthlings we're too stupid to understand the benevolent, superior wisdom of aliens), decided to put their 'save Earth mission' on hold for some greater good of all? Is it less frightening to believe that Collier was telling the truth because he sounded convincing?

As for Peggy Kane - she has made some fairly major predictions for various dates, and of course none of them came true either.....not even close! But she succeeded in scaring the crap out of a lot of gullible folks while she rode her 'moment of glory' train through to the end of the track, didn't she?
Yet there are people who STILL want to believe this women tells the truth becasue she seems so genuine and believable.

I personally find this UTTERLY unbelievable!

Actually I have grave fears for humanity if people are going to keep falling for all this 'sounds convincing' crapola. The PTB give us all the fear we could ever want, then they send in the Alex Colliers, the Billy Meiers, and the Peggy Kanes to do the grand job of keeping us in a position of victimhood waiting to be detrroyed or waiting for saviours. Whether these people are aware of it or not, they are being utilised to do a job, and humans are so gullible and so desperate to believe we have saviours 'out there' who will come and save our sorry asses at the 11th hour, we fall for it time and time again!

But hey, this trick is an oldie and a goodie, it still works a treat, so why change the protocol?

Alien invasions/alien saviours. Its all a stage show folks - psyops warefare - and its all being directed by the same sick psychopathic minds who run the entire show on this planet.

Better get wise to it all soon huh? :rolleyes:

[adramelech]

And does this not flap a red flag in your face about the quality of the Collier information wolfchild? Or is it easier to make excuses such as the Andromedans (for some reason beyond our own inferior comprehension because being dumb earthlings we're too stupid to understand the benevolent, superior wisdom of aliens), decided to put their 'save Earth mission' on hold for some greater good of all? Is it less frightening to believe that Collier was telling the truth because he sounded convincing?

As for Peggy Kane - she has made some fairly major predictions for various dates, and of course none of them came true either.....not even close! But she succeeded in scaring the crap out of a lot of gullible folks while she rode her 'moment of glory' train through to the end of the track, didn't she?
Yet there are people who STILL want to believe this women tells the truth becasue she seems so genuine and believable.

I personally find this UTTERLY unbelievable!

Actually I have grave fears for humanity if people are going to keep falling for all this 'sounds convincing' crapola. The PTB give us all the fear we could ever want, then they send in the Alex Colliers, the Billy Meiers, and the Peggy Kanes to do the grand job of keeping us in a position of victimhood waiting to be detrroyed or waiting for saviours. Whether these people are aware of it or not, they are being utilised to do a job, and humans are so gullible and so desperate to believe we have saviours 'out there' who will come and save our sorry asses at the 11th hour, we fall for it time and time again!

But hey, this trick is an oldie and a goodie, it still works a treat, so why change the protocol?

Alien invasions/alien saviours. Its all a stage show folks - psyops warefare - and its all being directed by the same sick psychopathic minds who run the entire show on this planet.

Better get wise to it all soon huh? :rolleyes:

Actually, I think one of the prime points to understand is that the elite have, since pre-history, managed to paint non-human intelligence as "godly", divine and absolute in nature. In reality, they are beings that think, reason, react, plot, scheme, hate, lie, cheat and love in the same capacity as we do, generally speaking. The perception of "gods" is necessary to continue rule over man. Basically, people, including many contactees, hold "alien" prophecies and similar communicated information up to a divine light because of this pre-conceived notion, so when a prediction or prophecy fails to come true, it has the impact of a failed religious prophecy, when in reality the only thing that happened was the information of some guy from another planet was wrong, or a lie. "Aliens" and the godly figures from our past aren't divine, they're fallible and flawed like the rest of us and they have their own agendas and ideas.

While I wouldn't place Alex Collier in near the same category as Meier (who received massive media attention, acceptance from the UFOlogy movement and generally served as a strawman) or Peggy Kane (who doesn't have much to do with UFOlogy at all) considering he achieved little to no attention, even during the height of his work, everything you said regarding the Saviour Complex is completely right.

[king]

And now this guy is trying to "educate" me on psychopathy, classic. Look around five posts up and then tell me how "how far back" you go. Psychopathic behaviour is inhuman by definition and inhuman in origin.


Psychopathic behavior is in the psyche of every man. but, how and when did it originate?
how do you know that this behavior was not built in each human, for the reasons that we do not know yet?

some (once) nice people can just snap out and commit horrible crimes, so i'd say that each of us has potential to do horrible acts.

your assumption that we were programmed with those traits is just an assumption.
we could have been with that way from day one.

Your entire paradigm approaching this information is completely wrong. You are looking at the concept of "alien" life as depicted by propaganda and the mainstream media, as some kind of powerful external force, a polemic presence that "does this" and "does that" as a race or group.


I can clearly see now how they (PTBs) are fucking and were ALWAYS fucking with our brains.
And, those same PTBs always present aliens as
an external, malevolent force.
I am just talking about garbage fed by PTBs to the masses.


In reality, these "aliens" or "gods" are just beings like you and I. The elite bask in being called "gods" because of a public ignorant of the origins of their power, their genetics and their manipulation.
i agree on this point

A lot of what you say is completely wrong, and I'm sure you know that.

depends how you interpret it.
maybe i have exaggerated a couple of things to make people think?!

"How convenient that there are no rumors, much less sightings of good aliens that want to help us, only those who want to eat us alive."

I haven't the slightest clue how you could say that and believe it with a straight face. The entire history of UFOlogy as established by the government is filled, end to end, with benevolent Space Brothers. The entire New Age religion is based around the premise of enlightened "aliens" or spiritual masters returning to Earth to enlighten and help mankind. To this very day, the concept of implying that a form of alien life is actually engaging in predatory behaviour is considered abbhorent in the UFOlogy movement.

see, the aliens that New Agers believe in are
frigging ridiculous. Did you wonder why is that?
And, do you really believe that "aliens are returning to earth" ?
or do you think that there is a "galactic council" like the ones pushed in Hollywood movies?
or that we are able to see different aliens?

one great man said: "They will look for life, but life similar to ours they will not find. It will be there, but they will not be able to understand it and see that it is life. ..."

what if the aliens are existing only in a different frequency range, way out of frequencies of our 5 senses? they could project images to our dimension that could be in any shape.

the way i see it, just about every piece of information linked to aliens is either ridiculous (New Age stuff) or aliens are portrayed like blood sucking monsters.
What is up with that?
where are the good aliens that can really share the information and enlightenment via plugging into our level of consciousness?
are those aliens so stupid not to know that our elite has a very tight lid on us?


The very video that you are discussing goes into great detail about benevolent "aliens" aiding humanity, discussing the topic for nearly 40 minutes. This quote shows that you are only seeing and hearing what you want to hear.
I watched the video, all 12 parts some 2 or 3 months ago. First i believed that Collier was honest, I really had some deeper reflections on this information.
but something bothered me with his eyes going to
wrong direction, like many pointed out.
I happened to know that human behavior, when you move the eyes in opposite direction while retrieving information.

I though about this for some time and my conclusion is that Collier is not to be trusted.
so, my conclusion did not happen overnight.
my intuition just began telling me that Collier is either a CIA agent or a MK victim.

I don't see anyone here "chasing aliens" or running in fear of them (your simplistic definition of the reptilian brain is misleading by the way).

simplistic definition - yes.
Reptilian brain is like an 2 bit processor compared to frontal lobe that is a multi bit processor.
why is the information almost always being shoved in 2 bit processor is a really good question IMO.

Of course we have to acknowledge, research and resist the actions being perpetrated by outwardly human leaders in the pathocracy we live in. We can also dig and attempt to find the source or root of this behaviour deep in our past.

yes, here i agree -- the reason why we are the way we are is to be found in our far past, and we do need to reserch our past in order to know where we are heading.


You also communicate contradictory ideas.

"it is plain stupid to even think that elite would "leak" any information that could expose REAL secrets."


Then how do you know any of the information you purport to understand? Because William Cooper said so?


first of all -- although Bill Cooper was an amazing researcher -- i am not buying all of his conclusions, for that matter, i do not trust anyone's views, anyone's words.

when you are reverse engineering 'something'
in order to understand it -- you will make mistakes, and hopefully you will learn from those. so, recognizing mistakes and correcting them is perfectly normal thing in conspiracy research.

be it Icke or Watt or Cooper or whoever.
They are trying their best. our job is to carefully process the information they presented, not believe a word they say until we verify and learn ourselves what we need to learn.
BTW, Cooper advocates this as well just like many other people are doing.

i trust my intuition more than ever before.


Isn't that exposing secrets? The reality of the situation is that the elite could not care less whether the "truth" comes out. In fact, you could broadcast it on national television and it wouldn't make a lick of difference because people have been programmed to reject it. Whene you control what the public views as believable or unbelievable, valid or invalid, you do not have to pay attention to the flow of information because you have a self-policing system. The elite have put the truth right in your face in the form of fiction or "mythology" and called it predictive programming.


actually, I do know about this method.
When a secret does leak out occasionally (it happens) -- they will add fiction to the original idea or feed disnfo to it. so, that whistle blower or conspiracy researcher then spin the shite to the outer space until the original message sounds like it came from a lunatic. and, often he is clueless
that he has been used to peddle disinfo.

or, like you say -- they can even put the truth in peoples faces and people would not even know it because of their indoctrination. information that is 'hiding in plain site'.
So, either way -- real secrets are not exposed, but i think that second method is only used mostly as damage control.

The forum destroyed about half of this message while I was trying to post it, but the basic point I'm trying to communicate is that you obviously have a firm understanding of psychopathic government and physical, every day political corruption and elite control. Important information to have, but you seem to respond to anything beyond that understanding with intense vitriol and I'm sure there's another reason for that besides the words of William Cooper.



again, what Cooper, Watt, Icke think it does not matter to me.
But, my intuition tells me that:
A: it is very likely that some alien contacts were made with individuals and governments.
B: I cannot trust Cooper (or anyone else) because
I do not know him/them, i do not know what is in their heads
C: by a simple probability -- i'd say that if evil mofo aliens exist then good aliens exist as well.
D: I think that the way aliens are presented to us is plain ridiculous, from New Age brand of Aliens, over Icke's and Red Elk's interdimensional shapeshifters to Alan Watt's troglodytes... it all sounds like someone is fucking with us.

The concept of inhuman intelligence playing a role in human history seems abhorrent to you. Do you think that because a faux "alien" invasion is planned to play into images and memes implanted in the psyche of the general population that it discounts the reality of actual alien life? That's Randi logic.

I do not discount possibility of alien life, I just discount the possibility of alien life as presented
by both main and alternative media.

Actually, I firmly believe that Alien life exists, but where and in what form -- that is not something that i can speculate on.

i just do not believe that what Sitchin and others
wrote about aliens is the accurate representation
of ET races.
why there is so much fear and so much disinformation and simply ridiculous "information" pertaining to alien life is what makes me question the whole thing.

[king]

wolfchild said:


And does this not flap a red flag in your face about the quality of the Collier information wolfchild? Or is it easier to make excuses such as the Andromedans (for some reason beyond our own inferior comprehension because being dumb earthlings we're too stupid to understand the benevolent, superior wisdom of aliens), decided to put their 'save Earth mission' on hold for some greater good of all? Is it less frightening to believe that Collier was telling the truth because he sounded convincing?

As for Peggy Kane - she has made some fairly major predictions for various dates, and of course none of them came true either.....not even close! But she succeeded in scaring the crap out of a lot of gullible folks while she rode her 'moment of glory' train through to the end of the track, didn't she?
Yet there are people who STILL want to believe this women tells the truth becasue she seems so genuine and believable.

I personally find this UTTERLY unbelievable!

Actually I have grave fears for humanity if people are going to keep falling for all this 'sounds convincing' crapola. The PTB give us all the fear we could ever want, then they send in the Alex Colliers, the Billy Meiers, and the Peggy Kanes to do the grand job of keeping us in a position of victimhood waiting to be detrroyed or waiting for saviours. Whether these people are aware of it or not, they are being utilised to do a job, and humans are so gullible and so desperate to believe we have saviours 'out there' who will come and save our sorry asses at the 11th hour, we fall for it time and time again!

But hey, this trick is an oldie and a goodie, it still works a treat, so why change the protocol?

Alien invasions/alien saviours. Its all a stage show folks - psyops warefare - and its all being directed by the same sick psychopathic minds who run the entire show on this planet.

Better get wise to it all soon huh? :rolleyes:

BRAVO!

how eloquently put.
exactly how i feel about the subject.
;)

[limelady]

BRAVO!

how eloquently put.
exactly how i feel about the subject.
;)

Thanks king. Gee I did have a bit of a rant there didn't I? :o
I'll fade quietly into the background now. :p

[king]

Thanks king. Gee I did have a bit of a rant there didn't I? :o
I'll fade quietly into the background now. :p

i love rants because they are almost always driven by deep inner feelings.

it was absolutely beautiful


i am glad to see more and more people getting wiser, not falling for dirty tricks of the PTBs any longer.
and i include my self in this group, as not long ago i
also believed what is now apparent B.S.

the way i see it, those mofos are playing a chess game with us.

so, we better wise up and learn the chess game ASAP as otherwise will be sacrificed as pawns are always sacrificed.

[adramelech]

i just do not believe that what Sitchin and others
wrote about aliens is the accurate representation
of ET races.
why there is so much fear and so much disinformation and simply ridiculous "information" pertaining to alien life is what makes me question the whole thing.

We pretty much agree on this issue, so it's funny how this debate even started. Sitchin is heavy disinfo, funded by the elite. He fudged translations at every turn to paint a false picture of the Sumerian "gods" and their actions in favor of elite-sponsored ideas, expertly melded truth and lies, denied the Judeo-Christian "God" was a retelling of older "gods" and worst of all, used his influence over the field of research to discourage others from following the paths he was told not to.

The "ancient astronaut" and "Space Brothers" stuff is disinformation.

[limelady]

i love rants because they are almost always driven by deep inner feelings.

it was absolutely beautiful


i am glad to see more and more people getting wiser, not falling for dirty tricks of the PTBs any longer.
and i include my self in this group, as not long ago i
also believed what is now apparent B.S.

the way i see it, those mofos are playing a chess game with us.

so, we better wise up and learn the chess game ASAP as otherwise will be sacrificed as pawns are always sacrificed.


Well put, yes. I see it as a game now also. To be able to see the game-plan you sometimes have to take yourself up to the observation platform and view the whole thing from up there in a detached sort of way. Up there you can gently push aside all the 'matrix' emotional smog to 'see' and 'hear' what your intuition is trying to tell you. Things become a lot clearer without emotion and belief getting in the way.

Thinking about it, if there was one bit of advice I might want to give on my death bed (if anyone was remotely interested in hearing it lol), it would probably be this. Releasing old beliefs and fears along the way, then refusing to collect up a pile of new ones, allows for much clearer awareness as we navigate our way through the shark-infestered waters. ;)

I'll shut the f-up again now!! :D

[king]

We pretty much agree on this issue, so it's funny how this debate even started. Sitchin is heavy disinfo, funded by the elite. He fudged translations at every turn to paint a false picture of the Sumerian "gods" and their actions in favor of elite-sponsored ideas, expertly melded truth and lies, denied the Judeo-Christian "God" was a retelling of older "gods" and worst of all, used his influence over the field of research to discourage others from following the paths he was told not to.
yes, well said.
his translations are not even proper as he mistranslated "gods" and "God".

The "ancient astronaut" and "Space Brothers" stuff is disinformation.

yes, i looked into this as well and it sure seem that way.
not much convincing evidence for ancient astronaut" and "Space Brothers".

any time someone is "the only expert in field" i get a feeling that someone is also "full of it"
:D

[king]

Well put, yes. I see it as a game now also. To be able to see the game-plan you sometimes have to take yourself up to the observation platform and view the whole thing from up there in a detached sort of way. Up there you can gently push aside all the 'matrix' emotional smog to 'see' and 'hear' what your intuition is trying to tell you. Things become a lot clearer without emotion and belief getting in the way.

Thinking about it, if there was one bit of advice I might want to give on my death bed (if anyone was remotely interested in hearing it lol), it would probably be this. Releasing old beliefs and fears along the way, then refusing to collect up a pile of new ones, allows for much clearer awareness as we navigate our way through the shark-infestered waters. ;)

I'll shut the f-up again now!! :D

huh!
i still think daily of this same thing.
because, even though i have recompiled my own "operating system" after i had awakened to the B.S. i still wonder what B.S. information needs to be purged out of my memory banks. What other inaccuracies are there, what other information needs to be deleted? Because, sometimes you just have to do that, to start with a clean slate.


oh man... just think of it...we were fed sooooooooooooooooo much garbage from the day we were born!
it is amazing that we got this far, on our own.

it is incredible how majority of the people want to cling to this matrix reality
until their knuckles are white.

just today i observed some friends who are so plugged into the matrix that
it is hard to believe. more things get tougher, more people hear something that challenges their
reality -- more they will try to cling to the matrix tit.

it sure seem that they see the matrix system as a system that provides lot more than their basic needs, it provides the security and safety.
it is their friend and adviser, their big daddy. they think that matrix' tools of control like money will make them happy, only if they had more of it.

and i can see easily now what people fear the most and that is someone like you and me who is trying to challenge their beliefs in a system that they know is screwed up, but they cannot disconnect from.

but, since they do not know the alternative to the matrix system -- they are afraid shiftless of disconnecting form it as someone on IV will be afraid of disconnecting from IV liquid. Now I understand what those feed tubes in matrix movie represent -- intravenous connection to the matrix system,
and those plugs in the back of those who disconnected are the emotional scars. because, once you are disconnected from it and as long as you are amongst zombies you will feel those scars. only when you are amongst aware people like your self will the scars disappear. simply, it pains you to
be amongst the zombies.


any time people hear the information that can potentially push them off that Matrix tit that they suck on -- they immediately jump into "matrix justification mode", where any excuse is used to support mother matrix, so that they can keep sucking on that tit.

it is absolutely amazing to observe that they have such a sense of insecurity when something is perceived as the threat to their relationship with the matrix.

some of them who are more afraid begin justification of the system, even before they hear you out, some go into "there is nothing we can do" mode.

and, the threat can even be low level information that majority should be able to process easily.

the bottom line is that there is such insecurity in most of the people, more than ever was, and i think that reason is that the people subconsciously know that things nowadays are f-d up really bad, but they will keep suckling as long as they don't have to face the reality eye to eye.

[montag]

As for Peggy Kane - she has made some fairly major predictions for various dates, and of course none of them came true either.....not even close! But she succeeded in scaring the crap out of a lot of gullible folks while she rode her 'moment of glory' train through to the end of the track, didn't she?
Yet there are people who STILL want to believe this women tells the truth becasue she seems so genuine and believable.

I personally find this UTTERLY unbelievable!

I watched that Peggy Kane video after the Alex Collier video and it scared the shit out of me I can tell you:eek:, Reptillians in the lower astral that eat human flesh and love to eat children which they are holding in pens on Mars..

I've never heard of this woman before, whats her story? Are the reptillians going to eat me when I die?:confused:

Eeeeeekkkkkk!!

[limelady]

I watched that Peggy Kane video after the Alex Collier video and it scared the shit out of me I can tell you:eek:, Reptillians in the lower astral that eat human flesh and love to eat children which they are holding in pens on Mars..

I've never heard of this woman before, whats her story? Are the reptillians going to eat me when I die?:confused:

Eeeeeekkkkkk!!


Put her out of your mind montag. There is no need to feel fear or confusion, as wittingly or unwittingly, PK serves her Masters 'fear plan' very well, and if ever there was anything that might put you off wanting to take reverse speech too seriously, its having to suffer along with Peggy Kane and her 'well meaning' disinformation. :eek:


BTW....that was a great rant post King!!!
I thoroughly enjoyed it. ;)

[montag]

Put her out of your mind montag. There is no need to feel fear or confusion, as wittingly or unwittingly, PK serves her Masters 'fear plan' very well, and if ever there was anything that might put you off wanting to take reverse speech too seriously, its having to suffer along with Peggy Kane and her 'well meaning' disinformation. :eek:
I have heard this information before though, Laura Knight-Jadczyk's Cassiapeons channeled information is very similar to Peggy Kanes, do you think that is disinfo too? I've never looked much in to the reptillian/Alien information, do you think they could be genuine but are being fed disinformation or are they deliberate disinformationalists? Do you believe in reptillians yourself?

[limelady]

I have heard this information before though, Laura Knight-Jadczyk's Cassiapeons channeled information is very similar to Peggy Kanes, do you think that is disinfo too? I've never looked much in to the reptillian/Alien information, do you think they could be genuine but are being fed disinformation or are they deliberate disinformationalists? Do you believe in reptillians yourself?


Hi Montag,

I have looked into some of the Cassiapeopns stuff, but I'm not big on channelled material, so I don't generally hang about long. I cannot comment on Laura Knight-Jadczyk's material specifically because I haven't had a good look at it, but in the case of Peggy Kane, I do believe her motivation is genuine, and she is being fed disinformation to make a mockery of the entire reptilian thing. I've spent considerible time looking into her case and it reeks of psyops.

It may well be the same with Laura Knight-Jadczyk as I do believe there are determined on-going efforts to keep people confused and in fear, and certain people are set-up and used for this purpose.

Do I personally believe in reptilians? I do believe we (the matrix) is under the control of some malignant energy force that has its own best interest at heart, not ours. From the research I have done it could very well be inter-dimensional and reptilian in nature. It seems clear to me these controlling energies are using bloodline 'agents' to do their Earthly bidding. So at this point I neither believe or disbelieve - I'm a fence sitter on what this energy-force is, and it could be more than one lot involved in the manipulation of humankind, including ETs (Nephlim/Annunaki) who are likely responsible for human genetic manipulation in ancient times. However, I am certain this 'force' is behind the control-system that operates here on our planet. I would not be at all surprised if it turned out to be reptilian.

I have a strong feeling the time is fast coming when all will be revealed, but until then, all bets are off with me. ;)

[barbitone]

the funny thing about this thread is that I agree with both sides of the debate...... I think these people are telling you what they believe!

Has it occured to any of you that you may both be correct at the same time? Maybe....because the underlying topic here is whether or not Alex Collier etc are telling the TRUTH, or are generating more dis-info and fear.

Any contradictions in there?

Only in the interpretation of their intents. Which, as all of creation is, is PURELY relative perspective.

Here's a thought: If it was a FACT that 9-11, for example, happened not as the official version reported, and somebody told you that Bin Laden did it.....ARE THEY LYING? Or do they simply have a different perspective on reality?

In other words, I do believe (my perspective) Collier is telling HIS truth. But, I mean. If you follow the reptilian agenda. These guys are super-intelligent motherfuckers, to but it bluntly. If you agree with the perspective held, which I personally do (currently), then you would have to agree with this.

Could it not be possible then, that they could be infiltrating on the side of this information? Meaning, they surely would be aware of these possibility's and would act accordingly. By doing what they do best.......

I dunno, it's all very complicated and that's the point. As for the: can advanced species be "evil"......:rolleyes: Good and bad are illusions to begin with. In the world of polarities (this one:D) "evil" and "good" exist. Because that is your relative perspective. There is an infinite variation of life existing in all frequency's of space-time. Some of them are going to be what we call "evil". And vice-versa. The existence of "good aliens" and "bad aliens" are the same. If one exists, so does the other. It is the principle of this reality.

If a being becomes vastly disconnected from that which it is, it has only the intellect of the ego\mind to work form. Thus they are the most imprisoned of us all. The ego conspires to have you believe it is real. Like an actor that has gone so far into his role he has become it. It is naturally the root of all fear because it is the experience of complete disconnection.

The reptilians are like a literal embodiment of this energy. Just playing out the part that we are putting them in by allowing it. I tell you. We ARE GOD. The ISNESS. Everything is. The situation we currently seem to be in can only occur if that which we are, consents to the experience. Collectively, as a species (or code of DNA) we are building up experience of disconnection. We experience that which is not so that when we experience that which is, we CAN EXPERIENCE IT. If you are the one. You can not experience being the one unless there is "two". Relative perspective. You can be it but you can't know it. There's no such thing as "up" unless there's "down", without down or up your just there!:D Anyway, what I mean is, without the possibility of that which isn't (FEAR, DEATH, MALICE etc...) there can be no EXPERIENCE of that which is. That doen't mean we have to experience just as much pain as love or anything like that, it just has to exist. How far we let ourselves slide down until we get up and dust ourselves off is up to us in every moment of now.

Fuck it. Rant over.

[truth seeker 09]

Hi!

I believe Alex Collier speaks the truth.

Alex Collier didn't make predictions. The possible future events he was talking about were only probabilities as Jon Robinson wrote:

"Now at this time I would like to address the predictions or prophetic accuracy. First off the Zenetae Andromedan's are a very scientific race. So they know that the future is not set in stone, but is real since they come from the future. Alex does not refer to information that they have told him to share of future events as anything but probability. Not prophetic and not predictions! By probability they recognize that events can be change before and even as they take place by those are involved. They would explain this in terms of percentages of probability.

Now I also know that at times a tool they would use on dire statements made were also used to try and get us on this planet who kept up with this stuff to basically put it out towards the masses in hopes that those who were going to do something bad and that monitored our information would get cold feet and change their minds about events because they just might get caught if people started saying that it had been foretold before hand. If you think on that it makes sense."

- Jon Robinson

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/esp_andromedacom_14.htm

I posted a new thread about Collier to the "Reptilians" forum. Check it out! I kindly ask you to rate my thread. :)

Thread: UFO contactee Alex Collier and the Reptilians:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54953

A "new" Alex Collier's lecture in 1995, part 1 of 24:

UFO Hypotheses - Alex Collier Volume Two (01 of 24) - YouTube

[takhisis]

wolfchild said:


And does this not flap a red flag in your face about the quality of the Collier information wolfchild? Or is it easier to make excuses such as the Andromedans (for some reason beyond our own inferior comprehension because being dumb earthlings we're too stupid to understand the benevolent, superior wisdom of aliens), decided to put their 'save Earth mission' on hold for some greater good of all? Is it less frightening to believe that Collier was telling the truth because he sounded convincing?

As for Peggy Kane - she has made some fairly major predictions for various dates, and of course none of them came true either.....not even close! But she succeeded in scaring the crap out of a lot of gullible folks while she rode her 'moment of glory' train through to the end of the track, didn't she?
Yet there are people who STILL want to believe this women tells the truth becasue she seems so genuine and believable.

I personally find this UTTERLY unbelievable!

Actually I have grave fears for humanity if people are going to keep falling for all this 'sounds convincing' crapola. The PTB give us all the fear we could ever want, then they send in the Alex Colliers, the Billy Meiers, and the Peggy Kanes to do the grand job of keeping us in a position of victimhood waiting to be detrroyed or waiting for saviours. Whether these people are aware of it or not, they are being utilised to do a job, and humans are so gullible and so desperate to believe we have saviours 'out there' who will come and save our sorry asses at the 11th hour, we fall for it time and time again!

But hey, this trick is an oldie and a goodie, it still works a treat, so why change the protocol?

Alien invasions/alien saviours. Its all a stage show folks - psyops warefare - and its all being directed by the same sick psychopathic minds who run the entire show on this planet.

Better get wise to it all soon huh? :rolleyes:

Actually i beleve he said the Andromadians are involved in there own conflict right now,apparently many races are at war with eachother right now, pretty sure i have heard this a couple times by Alex Collier and some other abductees' i have heard stories thats in the universe there has been a war going on with many many races, unbelevably kind of simular to Star War's without the jedi Knights lol, ethier way i have to say i beleve alex collier most of the stuff that is coming out is more believable then most relegions imo

[terrafirma]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5491317390185173645

[truth seeker 09]

You can watch UFO contactee Alex Collier's new lecture in January 2010 at the Earth Transformation Conference here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112262[/URL][URL="http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112262"] (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112262)