David Shayler - Freeman info - Just a coincidence?

[dondaz]

Former MI5 agent David Shayler is now taking a giant leap into the freeman concept. Though he doesn't mention the words 'Freeman on the land' in this vid, he mentions free man quite a few times, he gets well into a lot of basic freeman issues. Common Law, morgages, the person, UCC and a bit of history and much more. Actually it's worth watching it all. He's back in form and he seems to have lost his drug induced psychosis.

His christmas day message to the world:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pvYNyeqSQ

Malvern & I met David Shayler when he came here to Birmingham & had a good chat with him. I really have met some unusual people in my time and no doubt will meet more, but Shayler definately tops the charts for me. I found it kind of facinating that he believes himself to be Jesus re-encarnate and says it so matter of factly. Most delusional people will try no end to justyfy their belief, but not David Shayler. he justs pops it right out of the blue with no justifications to try to get us to believe him.

I do believe he believes himself to be god and in a way he is right. I myself believe we are all part of god, as such and are all part of the 'great creation', the spiritual universe. I think many others on here feel the same. Thinking he is Jesus re-encarnate is probably a side-effect of the shrooms or whatever it is he took to trip out on.

He could be saying this to discredit himself in order to 'get away' with what he talks about and he's hardly going to admitt this if he believes it's keeping him alive.

What I do know is he really isn't helping the cause to stop the new world order and exposing 911 and then go on to say he is god, jesus, lasers weapons were used and the NPT on 911, when he knows most of the unwoken will laugh and take no notice and perceive other truthers as nutters too.

Now he's getting into freeman concepts, obviously in a big way. Just a coincidence or what?

Anyway, for those that haven't seen this, here's the footage and interview Malvern and I did last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Dbr6D88og&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcctfU6gwvA&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSPqId8pZ2M&feature=channel_page

[boots]

I always thought David Shayler was a fruitcake when he start's talking about himself being Jesus reincarnated but as you say dondaz it's a rue to not bring to much heat on him, since he is bound by government secrecy acts he would certainly lose his life if he become to popular.

What is important is whet he has to say about the freeman movement and how it relates to us as co creators answerable only to A creator. Not statutes created by corporations/governments which are dead entities.


I agree with his view that this will be a year full of surprises. One which, those who go for the Freeman philosophy and thier own true spirituality. Will achieve great things. It wont be all show and glory, as some THINK it should be. You wont see this splashed across the TV screens, or court systems suddenly throwing up thier hands and supporting people against corporations. AS some THINK it should be, for it to be TRUE.

Only those with true courage and belief in themselves will change the world to be a better place for us and our children and the future. You will find those TROLL'S that want to stay stuck in statues and equity laws and THINK that court's actually work for people will be doing the bidding of the NWO. Useful idiots, as Kissinger said they were.

The first step is to change the Mind set and the presumptions. That you are a man/woman an equal of the creator NOT a person, a legal fiction, a chattel for a corporation. Only those that really listen to David Icke would comprehend what he has been saying and how this also relates in a practical way. The Freeman way.


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[rjl9332]

great find Daz, and very interesting that Mr Shayler has suddenly picked up on the Freeman stuff. We all know its real, we all know that the statutes, fr facto courts and the rest are just made up nonsense. 2009 is the year when it all comes crashing down, I know it. And like boots says, probably not in an overt way either, just little bits and peices at a time... i got a very positive feeling about it all

[pleasuredome]

its no coincidence, daz. i personally have no problem with shayler, he speaks his truth and a lot of it makes sense to me. if he believes he is the jesus consciousness incarnate then good for him, arent we all supposed to get there? arent we all supposed to be able to access that level of consciousness?

at the moment he's doing the talk, but it will be interesting to see what action he takes. he's a clever guy and im sure he's capable of doing something for the greater good

[john white]

On the other hand David Shayler isnt saying anything about being a FREEMAN than what anyone else is saying day in day out in discussion on this site

I see no special revelation in Shaylers Video that could be said to be coming from Shayler: and perhaps the cynic in me might see an element of a new bus passing though to catch a ride on, given the history of Shalylers involvement with and contribution to 9/11 Truth in the UK, and the sum total I find that to have been worth

Generally, I am resistant to adopting the perception that any of us owns the truth and integrity of what we say: truth and integrity are higher than any one man, and I don't consider myself to own any of the truth in any of the posts or videos I've ever made: only the pattern of its expression, which is translated though my sovereign unique self

So while Dave Shayler is welcome by me to talk about Freemanship, as is any human, I wont be considering Dave Shayler to ever be talking FOR Freemanship or as a representative of a Freeman Movement, should such a thing be seen to exist :)

[krakhead]

perhaps the cynic in me might see an element of a new bus passing though to catch a ride on,

That's what I thought. Especially with his recent message to David Icke. A part of me suspects he may be being used to discredit 'conspiracists'.

I'm still undecided on Mr Shayler.........

[h2pogo]

when he starts performing miracles and walking on water i might take him seriously.
then he is a pot head and it is possible to perform medical miracles with pot and partially run his car on water but we can all do that.

[pleasuredome]

partially run his car on water but we can all do that.

speak for yourself! lol tell me, whats this all about then? first ive heard of it. i'd enjoy saving a bit of money on fuel. are you doing it?

[h2pogo]

its called electrollosis very simple really.
using 12v dc of the battery of your car to split water into gas element hho which is drawn by the engine vacume into engine.
yes i have tried and continue to try.
there are many experimenters out there like myself.
and a few products avaliable.
do a search for hho on youtube or google for hho , browns gas
if you do a searh on this forum for hho you will get some results.
there are of course many ppl out there that say you cant get more energy out than you put in.looks to me they are wrong.

[URL="http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/hhogenerators.php"]http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/hhogenerators.php[/URL

[yozhik]

its called electrollosis very simple really.
using 12v dc of the battery of your car to split water into gas element hho which is drawn by the engine vacume into engine.
yes i have tried and continue to try.
there are many experimenters out there like myself.
and a few products avaliable.
do a search for hho on youtube or google for hho , browns gas
if you do a searh on this forum for hho you will get some results.
there are of course many ppl out there that say you cant get more energy out than you put in.looks to me they are wrong.

[URL="http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/hhogenerators.php"]http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/hhogenerators.php[/URL

I remember reading a story and watching a video of a man in USA about 5+ years ago, who was running his car on water. He had applied for funding to take the system public, but had met obstacles everywhere he turned. If I recall correctly, he ended up being murdered.

[h2pogo]

I remember reading a story and watching a video of a man in USA about 5+ years ago, who was running his car on water. He had applied for funding to take the system public, but had met obstacles everywhere he turned. If I recall correctly, he ended up being murdered.

there have been several .stanley meyer being one of the more known ones.
chanel 4 did a documentary on his work but did not investigate his death which was allegedly food poisining!!!
he claimed to run his car on pure water.
msm said he was a fraud of course

[bobhodge]

It is very sad what has happened to David Shayler - or what they have done to him.

[vienna]

yep, I agree, unfortunately it looks like Shayler is a tool (whether he's aware of it or not) to use to discredit any movement they see gaining influence

alot like the whole Lizard stuff Icke unfortunately got into which now seems to be a public catchphrase used against anyone on any subject which challenges the mainstream concensus - Icke has done tremendous courageous work - if only he just kept the rule of not promoting anything so outlandish without concrete evidence first - he would have won over millions of fence sitters the world over - instead they mentally turn off at mention of his name - in a way its a blessing he hasn't got into the freeman stuff...yet

[cartamandua]

Well i know David personally and in fact he stayed with me in holland when he was here. I'd met him in 2006 at a 911 truth meeting where he showed a lot of interest in my research, shortly after which he retired from the movement, stopped touring and broke up with Annie. I heard this from Annie and others when i saw her again at a european meeting held in amsterdam in 2007.
In november 2008 he turned up alone in holland and contacted me.Only then did i learn of his messian proclamation.
I think anyone who's spent any serious amount of time with this new david, (the old one i can't say because i didn't know him well enough) will agree with me his is arrogant beyond belief and anyone who has taken the time to hear him out and dig into his self image will also probably agree. He DOES NOT see himself as messiah in the sense that we all are, he sees himself as the (suffering) forst and when asked for example if he intends moving into Buckingham palace he replies, of course, it is for the forst. He also thinks that all taxes should be payed to him personally and I could go on, I'm afraid i played along a bit but i really needed to find out what was going on with him. He loathes children and I leave that open for the rest in what that means to you, it could be argued to be realistic, i don't agree but be that as it may, he was actually totally disinterested in people except to tell them that he is the messiah, which historical figure (never peasant) they are reencarnate of and says that recognizing him is the only measure of sainthood. Those who question his identity are not worthy.
In January he COMMANDED me to go to england with him to confront the lawcourts in temple bar with the fact that he was the messiah, he wanted witnesses and was indifferent to the fact that my family was in the middle of a crisis and he knew that, not that i'd have gone anyway. I told him, i am not going, and not because i need to be here but because i think it is folly and i am not witnessing to something i don't believe, just so we're clear, and you mat not use any documentation of mine either, it is not meant for publishing is the scroll with seven seals.
As providence would have it I was absorbed with my kids/grankids until march and was in a moving situation and totally offline but the day i came on there was an email from him which made me google him and i saw this new youtube and it was loading, i think he was up to 5 or 6 of the 10 when i saw it, he was actually online at that moment submitting the videos. I watched and by the time i got to the later ones they were up. I was absolutely GOBSMACKED to see him sitting there LYING thru his teeth.so
I pulled copyright and they wrere down before 300 views top on the most watched part.
He actually had stolen my research and using my drawings and diagrams, not even reproducing his own, stole my work and made a 10 part youtube of it claiming that IT was final proof of his divinity, LOL, that was about 10 march.
What else can i tell you? He would watch his own youtubes constantly, totally absorbed in the screen and mouthing every word along (even vids from years back) every word like photographic memory.
What this all means? Did they kill david and replace him with a clone? (he made a joke about that once) or is he still SS controlled, knowingly or unknowingly? Maybe he was taken in in the time he was supposedly in sw UK (they have facilities and agents there don't they? maybe THEY covinced him somehow he was the messiah), is he just broken under the duress? Who's to say? I guess you'll have to make up your own mind. Jury's still out here.:confused:
Annie said in a recent mail that he is suffering from something most spies suffer from after time, a self centered narcicism, and lack of respect for others, (kinda sociopathy i guess) and she apologized to me for his behavior. Either ways, I CAN tell you this,he is not the person privately that he USED to appear to be publicly AND he is NOT THE messiah but i think you'd all figured that out. LOL.
Oh and the freeman knowledge he picked up on a trip to Frome, UK (looking into my research) in December last from folk there. Came back full of it with a dvd.

[girlgye]

Well i know David personally and in fact he stayed with me in holland when he was here. I'd met him in 2006 at a 911 truth meeting where he showed a lot of interest in my research, shortly after which he retired from the movement, stopped touring and broke up with Annie. I heard this from Annie and others when i saw her again at a european meeting held in amsterdam in 2007.
In november 2008 he turned up alone in holland and contacted me.Only then did i learn of his messian proclamation.
I think anyone who's spent any serious amount of time with this new david, (the old one i can't say because i didn't know him well enough) will agree with me his is arrogant beyond belief and anyone who has taken the time to hear him out and dig into his self image will also probably agree. He DOES NOT see himself as messiah in the sense that we all are, he sees himself as the (suffering) forst and when asked for example if he intends moving into Buckingham palace he replies, of course, it is for the forst. He also thinks that all taxes should be payed to him personally and I could go on, I'm afraid i played along a bit but i really needed to find out what was going on with him. He loathes children and I leave that open for the rest in what that means to you, it could be argued to be realistic, i don't agree but be that as it may, he was actually totally disinterested in people except to tell them that he is the messiah, which historical figure (never peasant) they are reencarnate of and says that recognizing him is the only measure of sainthood. Those who question his identity are not worthy.
In January he COMMANDED me to go to england with him to confront the lawcourts in temple bar with the fact that he was the messiah, he wanted witnesses and was indifferent to the fact that my family was in the middle of a crisis and he knew that, not that i'd have gone anyway. I told him, i am not going, and not because i need to be here but because i think it is folly and i am not witnessing to something i don't believe, just so we're clear, and you mat not use any documentation of mine either, it is not meant for publishing is the scroll with seven seals.
As providence would have it I was absorbed with my kids/grankids until march and was in a moving situation and totally offline but the day i came on there was an email from him which made me google him and i saw this new youtube and it was loading, i think he was up to 5 or 6 of the 10 when i saw it, he was actually online at that moment submitting the videos. I watched and by the time i got to the later ones they were up. I was absolutely GOBSMACKED to see him sitting there LYING thru his teeth.so
I pulled copyright and they wrere down before 300 views top on the most watched part.
He actually had stolen my research and using my drawings and diagrams, not even reproducing his own, stole my work and made a 10 part youtube of it claiming that IT was final proof of his divinity, LOL, that was about 10 march.
What else can i tell you? He would watch his own youtubes constantly, totally absorbed in the screen and mouthing every word along (even vids from years back) every word like photographic memory.
What this all means? Did they kill david and replace him with a clone? (he made a joke about that once) or is he still SS controlled, knowingly or unknowingly? Maybe he was taken in in the time he was supposedly in sw UK (they have facilities and agents there don't they? maybe THEY covinced him somehow he was the messiah), is he just broken under the duress? Who's to say? I guess you'll have to make up your own mind. Jury's still out here.:confused:
Annie said in a recent mail that he is suffering from something most spies suffer from after time, a self centered narcicism, and lack of respect for others, (kinda sociopathy i guess) and she apologized to me for his behavior. Either ways, I CAN tell you this,he is not the person privately that he USED to appear to be publicly AND he is NOT THE messiah but i think you'd all figured that out. LOL.
Oh and the freeman knowledge he picked up on a trip to Frome, UK (looking into my research) in December last from folk there. Came back full of it with a dvd.


Narcisstic Personality Disorder is a must. How else could anyone be so ruthless as to have all the attributes needed to be a spy. Remember they have license to kill and they do. This is a general observation and not one I am aiming at David.

As for discussing David anything I have to say about him I would say to his face.

[bsmurph83]

I remember reading a story and watching a video of a man in USA about 5+ years ago, who was running his car on water. He had applied for funding to take the system public, but had met obstacles everywhere he turned. If I recall correctly, he ended up being murdered.

speaking of alternative energy and overunity devices:

In fact, overunity or ‘free energy’ devices exist and are now being developed for commercialisation. Two Australians (as just one example) by the names of John Christie and Lu Brits have successfully developed an overunity machine (see lutec.com.au) called the Lutec 1000, that outputs at least several hundred per cent of the energy required to initiate and run it – allegedly impossible according to the old decaying scientific paradigm. Various physicists and analysts have inspected the machine and have only been able to verify its efficacy. The free energy future is here. Of course many minds still utterly imprisoned by the moribund so-called ‘laws’ of science will vigorously deny such a device can exist, mainly because they have been brainwashed into believing that the ‘vacuum’ really is ‘empty’ and can’t let go of the notion, OR that any attempt at accessing the ‘quantum foam’/ZPF and drawing arbitrarily large amounts of energy from it is ‘impossible’, OR, that it will result in the destruction of the universe or some such catastrophe of Biblical proportions. Do they truly believe the scientific dabbling of us mere humans could result in such a calamitous outcome? It just goes to show how ‘stupid’ many scientists think the universe is – how much they underestimate a universe ‘built’ and fundamentally based on pure consciousness.

In truth, the Newtonian universe of ‘empty space’ (all space is filled with multidimensional energy, it is not empty) and ‘discreet particles’ (we now see there is likely no such thing as particles!) WAS a less intelligent and less sophisticated universe than the vision of the universe coming into view. Or at least, the old intellectual construct of the universe was less intelligent (and less elegant, we might add) than the one emerging. Scientists especially must not forget that ‘science’ is an intellectual framework superimposed upon Reality itself: It is an intellectual map or symbol system that is NOT the reality itself – our ‘best guestimate’ given the evidence at hand. My view is that for scientists to be so presumptuous as to have named the tendencies and apparent ‘limits’ they identified in the physical world as ‘laws’ was obviously premature, and frankly, naive and also quite arrogant.

When is a ‘law’ of science not a law? When it is provably broken repeatedly. For goodness sake, Tesla apparently achieved development of working free energy machines around 100 years ago, but was bankrupted and destroyed by vicious oil interests (primarily JP Morgan) who saw in Tesla’s work the future demise of their multi-billion dollar industry, so dependent as it was on the willingness of humanity to happily go along for the ride and rely on the combustion of toxic fossil fuels to propel their vehicles and power their industry - fuels which were (and unfortunately still are) such a lucrative business for the oil barons. It is a well known fact among researchers that in the past and up until not long ago, the oil cartel would systematically target and kill anyone who succeeded in developing overunity machines, or even just viable alternatives to oil that were more efficient and Earth friendly.

They have not gone quietly into the night, but the problem for these crooks and thugs now is that so many people all over the globe are beginning to employ alternative fuel sources (such as running a car on hydrolysis) that the strategy of assassinating them one by one is no longer feasible. This does not mean they have given up trying to keep us enslaved to oil, just that they will try other things to distract us from the alternatives (such as pathetic hybrid cars). Not to worry, even the woefully pathetic and traditionally very heavily controlled (censored) mass media is being penetrated with this information as the rising tide of consciousness washes away the fallacious limiting concepts that were part of the old scientific paradigm (which, incidentally, was so profitable to the oil and pharmaceutical interests). The mystic and occult view is being validated more everyday, and the work of visionaries such as Tesla, has perhaps not been a total waste.

As someone who immediately recognised the validity of what the ZPF and aether researchers were saying about the unlimited store of energy waiting to be tapped into, as well as being fundamentally aware of the true nature of our infinite cosmos (consciousness), allow me to be one of the first to say, “I told you so.”
:D

[markie_b]

speak for yourself! lol tell me, whats this all about then? first ive heard of it. i'd enjoy saving a bit of money on fuel. are you doing it?

daniel dingle on youtube runs his car totally on water stanle meyer did also but when he started working in nasa they screwed him over on a jet deal and knocked him off luckily he done a few recorded lectures explaining the methods! you can find them on google video i think it's stanley meyer lecture.also have a look on free patents his patent ended and was released in 2007.

if your running diesel then filter used vegtable oil from the chippy down to about 5micron cloth into a seperate drum and add 3ml non kerosene white spirit to every 97ml used vegtable oil and leave it for about a week before using in your diesel car if its pre 1993 then the rubber seals may leak after time so mix it as a 50/50 mix with diesel if its not then it dont matter :)

[yozhik]

When is a ‘law’ of science not a law? When it is provably broken repeatedly. For goodness sake, Tesla apparently achieved development of working free energy machines around 100 years ago, but was bankrupted and destroyed by vicious oil interests (primarily JP Morgan) who saw in Tesla’s work the future demise of their multi-billion dollar industry, so dependent as it was on the willingness of humanity to happily go along for the ride and rely on the combustion of toxic fossil fuels to propel their vehicles and power their industry - fuels which were (and unfortunately still are) such a lucrative business for the oil barons.

Same old names.
Same old bullshit.

[foobar]

Narcisstic Personality Disorder is a must. How else could anyone be so ruthless as to have all the attributes needed to be a spy. Remember they have license to kill and they do.

David Shayler is a fat former failed journalist with absolutely no training in killing people or anything else requiring physical fitness who joined MI5 as a case officer working mostly in an office. He as about as far from the cinematic idea of a secret agent as is possible to get.

He was essentially a desk bound civil servant with media experience and security clearance.

[Ian2day]

David Shayler is a fat former failed journalist with absolutely no training in killing people or anything else requiring physical fitness who joined MI5 as a case officer working mostly in an office. He as about as far from the cinematic idea of a secret agent as is possible to get.

He was essentially a desk bound civil servant with media experience and security clearance.

A secret agent is an informant, in other words a snitch. Does this fit with Shayler's activity and behaviour.

[foobar]

A secret agent is an informant, in other words a snitch. Does this fit with Shayler's activity and behaviour.

He was a desk-bound MI5 officer. It's a civil service position. In his own words the main qualifications they asked for was the ability to write. Most of his time was probably spent analysing reports and then summarising them for his superiors.

[girlgye]

David Shayler is a fat former failed journalist with absolutely no training in killing people or anything else requiring physical fitness who joined MI5 as a case officer working mostly in an office. He as about as far from the cinematic idea of a secret agent as is possible to get.

He was essentially a desk bound civil servant with media experience and security clearance.

David fat? Na mate skinny as a rake. OOh don't play me on the cinematic idea of a spy either. There are plenty of real spies who have ratted and described pretty much what those cinematic sequences describe. Really isn't a spy a glorified copper.

[jakemaverick]

anybody got a contact for the guy? can't find one for im....