the mother teresa fraud

[graflok]

Here's an interesting article about what mother teresa is really
all about as told by a former sister in her organization:
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/6-Jun-2007.html

[chattanova]

I knew she weren't as good as she seemed to!! I trust this.

[texdallas]

nice one graflok I've known about this for a while I know she expected the poor and sick to offer up thier suffering to Jesus. I was educated by nuns and the whole suffering and jesus on the cross and the suffering of his monther was an ongoing mantra. "think of the suffering of the poor black babies in africa" totally desensitise the western world to the plight of the poor in this world "remember the mother and all her good works" bla bla fuckin bla........

[hagbard_celine]

History has a habit of making heroes and villains out of people, when they're just like anyone else: they do both good and bad things. Nelson Mandela is someone else who springs to mind.

[hagbard_celine]

nice one graflok I've known about this for a while I know she expected the poor and sick to offer up thier suffering to Jesus. I was educated by nuns and the whole suffering and jesus on the cross and the suffering of his monther was an ongoing mantra. "think of the suffering of the poor black babies in africa" totally desensitise the western world to the plight of the poor in this world "remember the mother and all her good works" bla bla fuckin bla........

It annoys me that she's put on a pedastel for dedicating her life to helping poor people thorugh charity work. What if she'd stood up and said "Well actually I'd like to stop the causes of poverty by stopping the genocidal policies of the New World Order." That adoration would turn to ridicule and demonization instantly: "That Mother Theresa is a bloody conspiracy nut!"

If Mother Theresa did such a good job then why are there still poor people in Calcutta today? She tried to ease the effects of poverty while allowing its cause to go unchecked. No wonde she's so adored by the govt! She's the model cul-de-sac activist.

[lumukanda]

History has a habit of making heroes and villains out of people, when they're just like anyone else: they do both good and bad things. Nelson Mandela is someone else who springs to mind.

i was thinking the same thing, it's always nelson mandela, ghandi and mother theresa, neither of which were as pure as people make them out to be.

[texdallas]

i was thinking the same thing, it's always nelson mandela, ghandi and mother theresa, neither of which were as pure as people make them out to be.

Whats the issue with Ghandi?

[lumukanda]

ghandi supported the indian caste system, and was a racist, for those that don't know 'kaffir' is a derogatory term for black people in south africa, it comes from the arabic meaning unbeliever.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. might have heard the word of non-violence from Gandhi, but it is certain that Dr. King did not know the true colors of Mr. Gandhi. From the beginning to the end, M.K. Gandhi was loyal to imperialism. The Western news media and their Indian allies by a massive propaganda exercise created the illusion of sainthood around Gandhi and made people believe that he fought Apartheid in South Africa, and in the process of doing so developed a new method of non-violent struggle called satyagraha. Nothing is farther from the truth. Gandhi, for the major part of his life, worshipped British imperialism and too often proudly proclaimed himself a lover of the Empire. He was Kipling's Gunga Din in flesh and blood.

To understand Gandhi's politics in South Africa, it is essential to note the three fundamental trends which all along persisted underneath all his activities. They were:

(1) his loyalty to the British Empire,
(2) his apathy with regard to the Indian "lower castes", India's indigenous population, and
(3) his virulent anti-African racism.

Gandhi was once thrown out of a train compartment which was reserved exclusively for the Whites. It was not that Gandhi was fighting on behalf of the local Africans that he broke the rule in getting into a Whites' compartment. No! that was not the reason. Gandhi was so furious that he and his merchant caste Indians (Banias) were treated on par with the local Africans. This is the real reason for his fighting race discrimination in South Africa, and he had absolutely no concern about the pitiable way the Africans were treated by the Whites.

On June 2, 1906 he commented in the Indian Opinion that "Thanks to the Court's decision, only clean Indians (meaning upper caste Hindu Indians) or colored people other than Kaffirs, can now travel in the trains."

During the `Kaffir Wars' in South Africa he was a regular Gunga Din, who volunteered to organize a brigade of Indians to put down the Zulu uprising and was decorated himself for valor under fire.

Gandhi said on September 26, 1896 about the African people: "Ours is one continued struggle sought to be inflicted upon us by the Europeans, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."

Again in an editorial on the Natal Municipal Corporation Bill, in the Indian Opinion of March 18, 1905, Gandhi wrote: "Clause 200 makes provision for registration of persons belonging to uncivilized races (meaning the local Africans), resident and employed within the Borough.

One can understand the necessity of registration of Kaffirs who will not work, but why should registration be required for indentured Indians...?" Again on September 9, 1905, Gandhi wrote about the local Africans as: "in the majority of cases it compels the native to work for at least a few days a year" (meaning that the locals are lazy).

Nothing could be farther from the truth that Gandhi fought against Apartheid, which many propagandists in later years wanted people to believe.

He was all in favor of continuation of White domination and the oppression of Blacks in South Africa.

In the Indian Opinion of March 25, 1905, Gandhi wrote on a Bill regulating fire-arms: "In the instance of fire-arms, the Asiatic has been most improperly bracketed with the natives. The British Indian does not need any such restrictions as are imposed by the Bill on the natives regarding the carrying of fire-arms. The prominent race can remain so by preventing the native from arming himself. Is there the slightest vestige of justification for so preventing the British Indians?"
Gandhi always advised Indians not to align with other political groups in either colored or African communities. He was strongly opposed to the commingling of races.

In the Indian Opinion of September 4, 1904, Gandhi wrote: "Under my suggestion, the Town Council (of Johannesburg) must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians I must confess I feel most strongly. It think it is very unfair to the Indian population, and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen."

In the Indian Opinion of September 24, 1903, Gandhi said: "We believe as much in the purity of races as we think they (the Whites) do... by advocating the purity of all races."

Again on December 24, 1903, in the Indian Opinion Gandhi stated that: "so far as British Indians are concerned, such a thing is particularly unknown. If there is one thing which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is purity of type."

When he was fighting on behalf of Indians, he was not fighting for all the Indians, but only for his rich merchant class upper caste Hindus!

In the Anglo-Boer War of 1899, Gandhi, in spite of his own belief that truth was on the side of the Boers, formed an ambulance unit in support of the British forces. He was very earnest about taking up arms and laying down his life for his beloved Queen. He led his men on to the battlefield and received a War Medal.

Gandhi joined in the orgy of Zulu slaughter when the Bambata Rebellion broke out. One needs to read the entire history of Bambata Rebellion to place Gandhi's nazi war crimes in its proper perspective.
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/ghandi.htm

[texdallas]

Nice one thanks for the info lumukanda!

[lumukanda]

Nice one thanks for the info lumukanda!
no problem man, the first time i heard it i was also like wtf?

[2013]

She was some Mother thats for sure I wonder how much she actually knew and how much was just taking orders from the top , speaking of the vatican a female shark recently had a virgin birth in america i think , the shark was one of 3 young females captured and kept in a tank without contact with males . Im wondering if thats were they get the designs 4 the popes headwear cue jaws music :D Elton john had planned a charity song to comemorate the mother when she died it was called Sandals in the bin .
As for ghandi well he started his peace mission on the 11 th of september , thats 9/11 again folks , i will try and track down the link for the page iread this on but i read that he used to sleep with naked young girls in order to test his will power in staying celebate ? one was his neice , where does that sound familiar from .Hitler was obssesed with is neice was he not .They are all in it together Wether they start out with good intentions or not its all the same at the top . They say that the cream always rises to the top , well i say shit floats (Jarvis Cocker - Cunts are still running the world )

[texdallas]

post all you got 2013 i like where this is going!

[2013]

Hi i wil lpost the link as soon as i get it from the person who sent it to me originaly sorry for any delay .i think it was from an article in an american
psychiatric paper on narcessism. the september 11 bit came from soemwere else maybe il ltry and locate that as well and post as soon as i can find it :D

[tinmenace]

Yeah, you can't be a good person AND be that involved with the Catholic Church.

[2013]

http://www.gandhiinstitute.org/Library/upload/TheDualityOfSeptember11.pdf

heres a link stating when gandhi started his peace mission .
if i find more il lpost this is from his institue and only confirms date .:D

[2013]

http://www.sikhtimes.com/books_020278a.html
anymore i find i will post and in particular original article if i can get link :D sorry for going off topic
feel it is related spiritual icons etc

[graflok]

Yeah, you can't be a good person AND be that involved with the Catholic Church.



http://obits.eons.com/obits/tributes/mother_teresa/2607-1-photo.jpg
"Oh, yeah? C'mere and say that, heathen!"

;)

[tinmenace]

Muh...muh...MOLEY!

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/austin.jpg

[adramelech]

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/mother-teresa/

[graflok]

Speaking of catholics, I just discovered the true and full title of the Pope.

"The Pope" is just the informal title. The real title is a bit more involved:
Ready? Here is the full title:

"Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles,
Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Patriarch of the West, Primate of Italy,
Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of the
Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God"

Primate of Italy?

Anyway, that's the full title. I wonder how they fit that on his parking space?

[limelady]

I'm so pleased somebody started a thread on Mother T. It saves me having to go digging for all the stuff I looked at a couple of years ago when I did a lot of research on her. I was quite frankly very disturbed about what I found out.

Cold-hearted, lacking empathy, manipulative and sadistic are the words that stands out about MT in the sense that she seemed to 'get off' on watching the suffering of the dying, justifying their agony as being the best way for them to get into heaven. On this basis, she denied the terminally ill the release from their pain with even the most basic pain relief, and other 'death-bed' comforts were not forthcoming, and sometimes withdrawn. Even the most basic necessities that all medical facilities required like sterilising equipment and anaesthesia (for the purchase of which her wealthy supporters were donating their money towards), were denied in exchange for the 'God loves those who suffer the most' crap she spewed out. Now in anyone's language, this is sick!

What kind of entities draw off THAT kind of negative energy?
Who gets pleasure from watching the suffering and distress of others dying in needless agony? :rolleyes:

Who was Mother Teresa REALLY.... other than a living PR campaign and on-going 'bank-roll' for her mother church?

These were the questions I was left wondering.

Good thread, thanks.

[graflok]

Hi limelady,

If you have any links on Mother T's unholy deeds, I'd love to see them. I have a friend who can't quite believe she's a baddie.

[limelady]

Hi limelady,

If you have any links on Mother T's unholy deeds, I'd love to see them. I have a friend who can't quite believe she's a baddie.

Ah dang it.....I just knew somebody was going to ask me that. :p

The short answer is no graflok. I did this research a couple of years back for a guy who was going to expose it all on his website, but he never did. All my links were sent to him in an email which I no longer have.

I haven't really got time now, but if you google your heart out for about 1/2 and hour or so you should find some of this stuff at least. There is also (or was) a website with an online book written about MT's life by an 'insider' of sorts who worked with the MT travelling roadshow for some years. I got quite a lot of quotes, times, dates and other stuff out of that.

I'm not surprised you are having trouble convincing someone MT was not all fluffy bunnies.......the public has only been fed the 3-ring circus show they want us to know, so most believe her morality and ethics were beyond reproach, and her capacity to love bigger than The Vatican City itself (yeah right :rolleyes:) so good luck with that. :D

[adramelech]

Hi limelady,

If you have any links on Mother T's unholy deeds, I'd love to see them. I have a friend who can't quite believe she's a baddie.

Check my link a few posts back.

[hagbard_celine]

ghandi supported the indian caste system, and was a racist, for those that don't know 'kaffir' is a derogatory term for black people in south africa, it comes from the arabic meaning unbeliever.


http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/ghandi.htm

There's more: Quite a few of the "100,000 Englishmen" in the Raj were sympathetic to his cause and believed that it was time for them to quit India. But then Gandhi made a terrible mistake: He invited Japan to invade India and oust the British. This act alienated him from many of his British supporters. Japan were currently building an empire of the worst brutality that the world has ever seen!

The British reaction was illustrated by the characters in Paul Scott's books "The Raj Quartet" which were filmed as "The Jewel in the Crown".

[2013]

post all you got 2013 i like where this is going!

http://iraresoul.com/gandhi.htm

that link i promised you . texdallas:D

[graflok]

Ah dang it.....I just knew somebody was going to ask me that. :p

The short answer is no graflok. I did this research a couple of years back for a guy who was going to expose it all on his website, but he never did. All my links were sent to him in an email which I no longer have.

I haven't really got time now, but if you google your heart out for about 1/2 and hour or so you should find some of this stuff at least. There is also (or was) a website with an online book written about MT's life by an 'insider' of sorts who worked with the MT travelling roadshow for some years. I got quite a lot of quotes, times, dates and other stuff out of that.

I'm not surprised you are having trouble convincing someone MT was not all fluffy bunnies.......the public has only been fed the 3-ring circus show they want us to know, so most believe her morality and ethics were beyond reproach, and her capacity to love bigger than The Vatican City itself (yeah right :rolleyes:) so good luck with that. :D

That's OK. I found some links for my friend. There is even a book written
about the "dark side" of MT by Christopher Hitchens.

My friend is coming around. :)

[hagbard_celine]

It works the other way round too. Evil characters from history are often not as bad as was thought. Some say Hitler was just a sick, distrurbed man who was manipulated by outside forces. He knew nothing of the "Final Solution" and merely planned to expatriate the Jews to Madagascar!

[infinitetruth]

On this basis, she denied the terminally ill the release from their pain with even the most basic pain relief, and other 'death-bed' comforts were not forthcoming, and sometimes withdrawn. Even the most basic necessities that all medical facilities required like sterilising equipment and anaesthesia

Forgive me for playing devils advocate here but how do you know she wasn't doing this because of a knowledge of the dangers of medications - a knowledge that we might not possibly know about?

[2013]

It works the other way round too. Evil characters from history are often not as bad as was thought. Some say Hitler was just a sick, distrurbed man who was manipulated by outside forces. He knew nothing of the "Final Solution" and merely planned to expatriate the Jews to Madagascar!

I watched a tv documentary some time ago about hitler and how he was manipulated by those around him .His doctor gave him regular cocaine injections for an eye condition i think it was , this invloved injecting into his eyeballs , so literally coc'ed to the eyeballs .Anyway this goes to show that people in power can be easily manipulated fro m behind the scenes were the real power can be found .Remind you of anyone in power now cocaine being the link ? These people are mearly puppets and can be repalced or killed on a whim even if they are a part of it all they have so many body doubles it s easy to do away with them to .No disrespect to mother T god rest her soul but she did look an awful lot like a little old man maybe an old tranny put in place to promote the agenda
im sure that would of made a good in joke amongst them .:D

[limelady]

Forgive me for playing devils advocate here but how do you know she wasn't doing this because of a knowledge of the dangers of medications - a knowledge that we might not possibly know about?

I don't know about you, but I know quite a lot about drug medications,
and I know that many are unnecessary and over-used, while others do
more harm than good.

But there are some medications that as a civilised and compassionate
society, we are fortunate to have at our disposal to help ease
the suffering of those with chronic infection and the terminally ill.

Although generally over-used by your average GP, antiboiotics
when administered appropriately save lives. Mother Teresa was not
a fan of their use, as she belived the Vatican coffers could better
use the money it cost to purchase these drugs.

Nor was she a fan of morphine which is given to the terminally ill
during the last days of their lives to ease their discomfort so
they can die in relative peace as opposed to screaming agony.
By the time somebody gets to the stage where they require this
type of medicatiion, its generally a tad too late to be wondering
if the medication will be safe for their long-term health, don't you think?

[anoninnyc]

Mommie DearestThe pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Oct. 20, 2003, at 4:04 PM ET

Mother Teresa: No saintMother Teresa: No saint
I think it was Macaulay who said that the Roman Catholic Church deserved great credit for, and owed its longevity to, its ability to handle and contain fanaticism. This rather oblique compliment belongs to a more serious age. What is so striking about the "beatification" of the woman who styled herself "Mother" Teresa is the abject surrender, on the part of the church, to the forces of showbiz, superstition, and populism.

It's the sheer tawdriness that strikes the eye first of all. It used to be that a person could not even be nominated for "beatification," the first step to "sainthood," until five years after his or her death. This was to guard against local or popular enthusiasm in the promotion of dubious characters. The pope nominated MT a year after her death in 1997. It also used to be that an apparatus of inquiry was set in train, including the scrutiny of an advocatus diaboli or "devil's advocate," to test any extraordinary claims. The pope has abolished this office and has created more instant saints than all his predecessors combined as far back as the 16th century.

As for the "miracle" that had to be attested, what can one say? Surely any respectable Catholic cringes with shame at the obviousness of the fakery. A Bengali woman named Monica Besra claims that a beam of light emerged from a picture of MT, which she happened to have in her home, and relieved her of a cancerous tumor. Her physician, Dr. Ranjan Mustafi, says that she didn't have a cancerous tumor in the first place and that the tubercular cyst she did have was cured by a course of prescription medicine. Was he interviewed by the Vatican's investigators? No. (As it happens, I myself was interviewed by them but only in the most perfunctory way. The procedure still does demand a show of consultation with doubters, and a show of consultation was what, in this case, it got.)

According to an uncontradicted report in the Italian paper L'Eco di Bergamo, the Vatican's secretary of state sent a letter to senior cardinals in June, asking on behalf of the pope whether they favored making MT a saint right away. The pope's clear intention has been to speed the process up in order to perform the ceremony in his own lifetime. The response was in the negative, according to Father Brian Kolodiejchuk, the Canadian priest who has acted as postulator or advocate for the "canonization." But the damage, to such integrity as the process possesses, has already been done.

During the deliberations over the Second Vatican Council, under the stewardship of Pope John XXIII, MT was to the fore in opposing all suggestions of reform. What was needed, she maintained, was more work and more faith, not doctrinal revision. Her position was ultra-reactionary and fundamentalist even in orthodox Catholic terms. Believers are indeed enjoined to abhor and eschew abortion, but they are not required to affirm that abortion is "the greatest destroyer of peace," as MT fantastically asserted to a dumbfounded audience when receiving the Nobel Peace Prize*. Believers are likewise enjoined to abhor and eschew divorce, but they are not required to insist that a ban on divorce and remarriage be a part of the state constitution, as MT demanded in a referendum in Ireland (which her side narrowly lost) in 1996. Later in that same year, she told Ladies Home Journal that she was pleased by the divorce of her friend Princess Diana, because the marriage had so obviously been an unhappy one …

This returns us to the medieval corruption of the church, which sold indulgences to the rich while preaching hellfire and continence to the poor. MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been—she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself—and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility?

The rich world has a poor conscience, and many people liked to alleviate their own unease by sending money to a woman who seemed like an activist for "the poorest of the poor." People do not like to admit that they have been gulled or conned, so a vested interest in the myth was permitted to arise, and a lazy media never bothered to ask any follow-up questions. Many volunteers who went to Calcutta came back abruptly disillusioned by the stern ideology and poverty-loving practice of the "Missionaries of Charity," but they had no audience for their story. George Orwell's admonition in his essay on Gandhi—that saints should always be presumed guilty until proved innocent—was drowned in a Niagara of soft-hearted, soft-headed, and uninquiring propaganda.

One of the curses of India, as of other poor countries, is the quack medicine man, who fleeces the sufferer by promises of miraculous healing. Sunday was a great day for these parasites, who saw their crummy methods endorsed by his holiness and given a more or less free ride in the international press. Forgotten were the elementary rules of logic, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. More than that, we witnessed the elevation and consecration of extreme dogmatism, blinkered faith, and the cult of a mediocre human personality. Many more people are poor and sick because of the life of MT: Even more will be poor and sick if her example is followed. She was a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud, and a church that officially protects those who violate the innocent has given us another clear sign of where it truly stands on moral and ethical questions.

Correction, Oct. 21, 2003: This piece originally claimed that in her Nobel Peace Prize lecture, Mother Teresa called abortion and contraception the greatest threats to world peace. In that speech Mother Teresa did call abortion "the greatest destroyer of peace." But she did not much discuss contraception, except to praise "natural" family planning.(Return to corrected sentence.)

http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/

[texdallas]

Would anybody be interested in kicking off a thread on Saints with all their holy and unholy deeds I'd do it myself as its something I'd enjoy but my only internet access is here at work?

Thank you 2013 for the Gandhi links so gutted hero worshiped the man for best part of my life

[lydia78]

I posted some 'penn&teller' clips a few days ago outing threasa and dali lama in the 'have a laugh' thread......definately brings the 'human' side out of these so-called living saints....:eek:

[tinmenace]

Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/motherteresa.jpg



Decades of correspondence by Mother Teresa show that for the last nearly half-century of her life she felt no presence of God whatsoever. The man who compiled her letters, many of them against her wishes, says he is producing a book as proof of the faith-filled perseverance that he sees as her most spiritually heroic act.

FULL STORY (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html)






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[ninpo]

Here's an interesting article about what mother teresa is really
all about as told by a former sister in her organization:
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/6-Jun-2007.html

Were you expecting anything different?

It is the freakin catholic church!

[yeiayel]

Mother teresa also called : THE BUTCHER OF INDIA

[graflok]

Were you expecting anything different?

Hardly.


It is the freakin catholic church!

Really? No kidding?

Next you'll be telling us the Pope is Catholic! :rolleyes:

[tinmenace]

Next you'll be telling us the Pope is Catholic! :rolleyes:

No Graf, you got it wrong. The BEAR is Catholic! Jeez! :rolleyes:

[graflok]

Oh, that's right! And, the Poop, er -- Pope, shits in the woods!

Thanks, tin. :)

[tinmenace]

Yep, that's it :D