What will you say to friends who dont prepare?

[tellmemore]

I doont know anyone who is "preparing" or even thinking about the NWO and what is probably to come. I do have friends though, who think I am paranoid even thinking this way.

So, here is the scenario, the shit hits the fan, I am holed up in my house with some food stored and some essentials to keep me and the kids going for a while and who comes a calling? - my friends and their children, the ones who poo pooed my "insanity", they want food/water/clothing/and shelter.

Say, for example, I saved just enough for me and my kids, (i dont have any money for everyone else anyway).

what does one do? tell them to go, tell them I told you so?

as a Christian, I believe what Jesus said, to give unto those who ask.

I could fight for that last crumb, or i could give it away.

I dont really know what way I would react, or even if I am going to "prepare". One part of my brain asks me to ponder what I am saving for? what I am preparing for? I have young children. what kind of life is ahead of them if things are so incredibly bad that we have to bug out in the woods for years?

just some thoughts people.

I will fight anyone to the last breath, who tries to harm me or my kids, but its pretty hard to fight guns when you dont have one.

I suppose its time to find some like minded communitys. worst thing you can do is be isolated.

[academylin]

I doont know anyone who is "preparing" or even thinking about the NWO and what is probably to come. I do have friends though, who think I am paranoid even thinking this way.

So, here is the scenario, the shit hits the fan, I am holed up in my house with some food stored and some essentials to keep me and the kids going for a while and who comes a calling? - my friends and their children, the ones who poo pooed my "insanity", they want food/water/clothing/and shelter.

Say, for example, I saved just enough for me and my kids, (i dont have any money for everyone else anyway).

what does one do? tell them to go, tell them I told you so?

as a Christian, I believe what Jesus said, to give unto those who ask.

I could fight for that last crumb, or i could give it away.

I dont really know what way I would react, or even if I am going to "prepare". One part of my brain asks me to ponder what I am saving for? what I am preparing for? I have young children. what kind of life is ahead of them if things are so incredibly bad that we have to bug out in the woods for years?

just some thoughts people.

I will fight anyone to the last breath, who tries to harm me or my kids, but its pretty hard to fight guns when you dont have one.

I suppose its time to find some like minded communitys. worst thing you can do is be isolated.


A lot of people get on soap boxes with futile exposes and not an ounce of what to do now comes from it.. And to be quite honest, I don’t really know what to do now either !
I will take Trackers advice though and my new years resolution is to gather an emergency survival kit which will live in the boot ( you call it trunk I think ) of my car with rations and water etc, and I will also relish in hope. Hope that this man made life can bear the brunt of mans spoils and that things don’t ever really go that bad. Wishful thinking perhaps, but my ego is not yet ready to let go of my material conquests. I worked hard to get where I am and would reluctantly leave my earths values and achievements for looters and rioters. You perhaps have prophetic dreams, I have more and more realisations. This year, although materially looking good personally; gas bill down, electric manageable, picking up a limited edition unbeknownst to the seller, and more fateful surprises within the first 2 days of 2009 I can’t shake this feeling of the proverbial shit hitting the fan,( ditto ) big style ! As I said though, hope is divine and positive mental attitudes, ( especially combined with others which are the same ) can relinquish grand outcomes.

[stickylolly]

I don't know anyone who is "preparing" or even thinking about the NOW and what is probably to come. I do have friends though, who think I am paranoid even thinking this way.

So, here is the scenario, the shit hits the fan, I am holed up in my house with some food stored and some essentials to keep me and the kids going for a while and who comes a calling? - my friends and their children, the ones who poo pooed my "insanity", they want food/water/clothing/and shelter.

Say, for example, I saved just enough for me and my kids, (i dont have any money for everyone else anyway).

what does one do? tell them to go, tell them I told you so?

as a Christian, I believe what Jesus said, to give unto those who ask.




I thought about this lots .. in fact when I am thinking about new things to add to my list of things needed I have added an extra wind up torch and an extra pack of matches ... something I can hand over to my loved ones who at the moment think I'm nuts!! So I shall hand over something to my needed friends ..

BUT! as a non Christian ... I believe our very souls are crying out for the truth right now and because of people's believe systems they deny there heart the words they need to hear ... this I believe is a choice ..... I chose to listen... my loved ones (as hard as it is ) chose differently. So I will give what I'm prepared to give the rest is up to them.

[waylander]

The simplest soulution is, do not let anybody who you aren't prepared to assist, know that you are preparing.

Keep it secrect.

Do not let tham know you have a stockpile and they won't come to you.;)

First post so hello everyone:)

Waylander:cool:

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[tellmemore]

Yes, its a hard one to fathom. I do listen to my heart and i know we are in big doo doo, most others cant object to that fact either, but probably hope it will all just go away.

As friends of mine whose grandparents lived through the holocaust recounted, "our grandparents were treated like crazy people, for wanting/decieding to leave". These particular people left everything and just left Germany.

There is no excuse now, with internet, etc and the blatancy of what is going on - my own heart and soul is screaming with not knowing what to do for the best and NO ONE wants to talk about it! Oh, what i wouldnt give for a study session or meeting to talk about this with other like minded people. That aint ever gonna happen. I have tried, but when things get down to the nitty gritty, people back off and play dumb.

But again, i dont want to live alone in a cave with my kids whilst i know my family and friends are out there dying/starving or not coping.

i suppose the question here is, how far do we want to go to "save" people from themselves, particularly when they wont appreciate it, and may even put you at risk, for the trouble you go to do make them aware?

No easy answers.

All i know is it aint 1970 anymore, it aint even 1999 any more. The world has taken such a huge turn for the worse - you can feel it in your bones.

NOrmalisation of inhumanity to man, the greed, the avarice, we (many)just put up with more and more every day.

I hope that my friends will be walking along the street one day soon and will suddenly be invoked with the spirit of awareness and wake up and say "oh My GOD, now i get it. I am not holding my breath though.

I feel angry towards them because their ignorance and blindedness is hurting me and my children and everyone elses children - their compliance is gonna kill some of us.

[rhydra]

The simplest soulution is, do not let anybody who you aren't prepared to assist, know that you are preparing.

Keep it secrect.

Do not let tham know you have a stockpile and they won't come to you.;)

First post so hello everyone:)

Waylander:cool:

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Agreed, if you tell your friends and the balloon goes up they won't be your friends any more, they will be clubbing you over your head for a few tins of food.

[jonas parker]

The simplest solution is, do not let anybody who you aren't prepared to assist, know that you are preparing.

Keep it secret.

Do not let tham know you have a stockpile and they won't come to you.;)

First post so hello everyone:)

Waylander:cool:

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Absolutely correct! Also figure the chances of the government "nationalizing" your preps. They can't "nationalize" what they don't know...

This means that your wife and children also know not to talk about the canned goods in the basement.

[white horse]

Agreed, if you tell your friends and the balloon goes up they won't be your friends any more, they will be clubbing you over your head for a few tins of food.

This is a good point. Remember that an adult that has children to feed will turn into the most crazed animal and kill you for your tin of soup - this does not make them evil or insane - just got that will to live;

When the hammer comes down, it's gonna get ugly!

You're gonna only be able to trust and work with a very small circle of people when it comes down to it.

Good luck y'all! We are only just beginning to prepare... (wind up items will be worth their weight in gold btw!!)

[justpassinthrew]

What will you say to friends who dont prepare?




You owe me ten quid

[wazaaap]

If they dont listen, then they will have to live with that decision, and not expect you to provide for them.

[jhado]

- my own heart and soul is screaming with not knowing what to do for the best and NO ONE wants to talk about it! Oh, what i wouldnt give for a study session or meeting to talk about this with other like minded people. That aint ever gonna happen.

Presuming you live in the UK, there is in fact a meet-up of like-minded folk next weekend. :D

[nimlyn]

The way to avoid conflict between family and friends is to move far, far away (overseas) from them…:)

However if you aren’t one for isolation then you’re kinda stuffed…:rolleyes:

[tom bombadil]

I doont know anyone who is "preparing" or even thinking about the NWO and what is probably to come. I do have friends though, who think I am paranoid even thinking this way.

So, here is the scenario, the shit hits the fan, I am holed up in my house with some food stored and some essentials to keep me and the kids going for a while and who comes a calling? - my friends and their children, the ones who poo pooed my "insanity", they want food/water/clothing/and shelter.

Say, for example, I saved just enough for me and my kids, (i dont have any money for everyone else anyway).

what does one do? tell them to go, tell them I told you so?

as a Christian, I believe what Jesus said, to give unto those who ask.

I could fight for that last crumb, or i could give it away.

I dont really know what way I would react, or even if I am going to "prepare". One part of my brain asks me to ponder what I am saving for? what I am preparing for? I have young children. what kind of life is ahead of them if things are so incredibly bad that we have to bug out in the woods for years?

just some thoughts people.

I will fight anyone to the last breath, who tries to harm me or my kids, but its pretty hard to fight guns when you dont have one.

I suppose its time to find some like minded communitys. worst thing you can do is be isolated.

I am not a christian tellmemore. I was. Also I understand your plight.

As a christian you have options that do not get in the ways of your beliefs. And they match what is common sense (me thinks).

As a Christian you are to tell them what you do (the now) This is cos you feel obligated to save them. As an non-Christian, or rather non faith based adult you might do the same. We all do. We tell our mates all kinds of crap, day in and day out.
If they took note of your life then they might follow suit. Its up to them. Dont force your mates to bungie jump if they dont want too. Just say 'Here I Gooooooh'! It is up to them to follow or not.

When it comes to family then this is harder. If they are also followers of Christ. They may put their trust in Him. Others will listen to you as a way of understanding that what you do or are about, is a gift from Him.

Either way you have done all you can do.



Now what happens if/when they (the family/distant relitives) come to you for help when TSHTfan?

Well I dont wish to preach to you but you will have to do this to them. Tell those that put their trust in Him should do just that. As should you and did. Do not open the doors to them. They are the hipocretes and you can read up on how to deal with them.


If this sounds too harsh then you might wish to put the bible aside and do what you will. The 'good book' was not just a history of events, but a manual for self help. Dont shoot me :) please. I used to be a Christian and understand a lot of its works. You cant be a bench warmer. That would make you as hipocritical as those that you think may come to you in a time of crises.

So now, at this point, you know what to do with your neighbour that comes to you.



You do have another option. You will be suprised just how cheap it is to buy a years suply of food and crop seeds. You could also tote up the amounts and buy the other stuff after you have your own.




Tom.

[grannymoose]

If they dont listen, then they will have to live with that decision, and not expect you to provide for them.

but could you do that to friends.
I think the hardest thing will be knowing there starving, i,ve pondered this question for a while.
For a year now i,ve been preparing and on 2 meals a day have enough for myself and family of 4 to survive for 1 year. Beans and tinned foods are easy to stock up on just buy 3 extra tins a week. flour sugar anything dried.
Gas butane and water, the most expensive was the 2 X 2500 liter waters tanks i bought last year instead of going on holiday, these are full and dug gen into the ground not visible now from above . i thinking about getting another one of these can't be to sure water will be essential..

i suppose i could now having prepared the way i have continue to store excess food and stuff because there not expensive, it's not going to be nice saying i told you so and shutting the door.
saying i told you so and then offering is a nature we all should bear inside us.

I know knowing there's people out there really hungry to the point of dying is going to be hard is the choices i make.

[lyrag]

Everyone talks about preparing all the time, but when it is actually suppose to happen, i mean i know its happening all the time, but when will we need all this stuff for? this year?? this month??

[tom bombadil]

Everyone talks about preparing all the time, but when it is actually suppose to happen, i mean i know its happening all the time, but when will we need all this stuff for? this year?? this month??

Hullo lyrag.

The prblem with preperation for the unknown is that we dont have all the facts. Who, when, why, how. If one did know them all, one could segment all events and live forever ;)

If you actualy mean 'are we sure its gonna happen at all?' or ' do we think events are leading to something sooner rather than later?' Then no, we dont know for sure, but some of us have a pretty good idea that something is gonna happen so lets best prepare.

What I do is prepare for the worst, but expect the best. Its an old addage that has seen me right all my life and in this way I can look forward to any eventuality without worry of the 'unavoidable' outcome.

Like you too, I think that it is happening now, as we yak. It is easier for those in power to give us a slow drip of change rather than a large take-over of things as we know it.

So, if it helps you I will say that, for me, I am doing things slowly rather than jumping in whole hog. This is due to my family comitments, funds and lifestyle. It suits me/us this way. In the mean time I stay on top and not let things get me down. I start by filling my larder with a years supply of stuff tha has a one week turnaround (that is, food dates and eat-by dates), a one-to-three month turnaround, and a one year turn around. Chemicals, clothing, and water have the longest legivity in my larder.

I then look to the tool shed, and at the same time food production of my own.

Then to hardware.

Then to sercurity.

Then to moving on.

Then to....it is an on going process.


I hope that I have helped you on your way. Follow the advice on these pages from anyone that fits your needs and wants the most and you wont go wrong.


If you have anything else then post here or start a new thread. Ask any question no matter how daft you think it might be (not that your original question was) and someone will get back to you.


Tom.

[size_of_light]

but could you do that to friends.
I think the hardest thing will be knowing there starving, i,ve pondered this question for a while.
For a year now i,ve been preparing and on 2 meals a day have enough for myself and family of 4 to survive for 1 year. Beans and tinned foods are easy to stock up on just buy 3 extra tins a week. flour sugar anything dried.
Gas butane and water, the most expensive was the 2 X 2500 liter waters tanks i bought last year instead of going on holiday, these are full and dug gen into the ground not visible now from above . i thinking about getting another one of these can't be to sure water will be essential..

i suppose i could now having prepared the way i have continue to store excess food and stuff because there not expensive, it's not going to be nice saying i told you so and shutting the door.
saying i told you so and then offering is a nature we all should bear inside us.

I know knowing there's people out there really hungry to the point of dying is going to be hard is the choices i make.

If the shit hits the fan, it'll be a whole new ball game and any ideas we've got now about what we'll do and think will be redundant.

It'll be pretty hard to turn away terrified, confused relatives on your doorstep who are begging you to help feed their starving, weeping rugrats, because they know that you've prepared, and at that moment, 'I told you so' wont really be an option, or a comfort to anyone, so you'll just have to help them.

In the meantime all you can really do is prepare the best you can and ignore the noises being made by these same wretched idiots who are mocking you today, but might be pleading for their share of your stash tomorrow.

[exmicrochipmafia]

but could you do that to friends.
I think the hardest thing will be knowing there starving, i,ve pondered this question for a while.
For a year now i,ve been preparing and on 2 meals a day have enough for myself and family of 4 to survive for 1 year. Beans and tinned foods are easy to stock up on just buy 3 extra tins a week. flour sugar anything dried.
Gas butane and water, the most expensive was the 2 X 2500 liter waters tanks i bought last year instead of going on holiday, these are full and dug gen into the ground not visible now from above . i thinking about getting another one of these can't be to sure water will be essential..

i suppose i could now having prepared the way i have continue to store excess food and stuff because there not expensive, it's not going to be nice saying i told you so and shutting the door.
saying i told you so and then offering is a nature we all should bear inside us.

I know knowing there's people out there really hungry to the point of dying is going to be hard is the choices i make.

Good job on the stockpile!!! I wish I owned my own home again as I'd be in the same situation as you.... In an apartment we've got enough to last comfortably for 2 weeks. My wife and I were JUST discussing the scenario after reading the book 'The Road,' by Cormac McCarthy (Phenomenal read and I recommend it to anybody). Basically our plan is simple.. IF we can, we'd hole up for a minimum of 3 days to a week, packing supplies into our backpacks, including camping supplies, etc with the home barricaded (if the situation warranted it). We live in a place where there are over 2 million people surrounding us and we won't be hitting the road in that mass pandemoneum...let it settle down and possibly allow for roads to clear. Family that are close by know that they can, if they can, come here and to bring whatever they can carry to our place. We also have firepower, ancient weapons, and the skills to use all of them to protect ourselves and our supplies...and if need be acquire more (hunting/fishing). These same weapons would also alow for an escape out of town after the initial pandemonium died off. I'm confident in my own abilities to survive in the woods at any time of the year plus take care of those close to us.
Strangers will not be trusted...period...nor will the authorities, if they manage to exist at that point.
We live in what you'd call a Christian household and believe in helping others too but remember: The Lord helps those who help themselves. If they're not prepared they have nobody to blame but themselves...as cold and cruel as that may sound. Once out of town, if the need arose, we'd then begin to hook up with any likeminded survivors and establish a network of mutual support.....however this is all worst case scenario type stuff.
Basically if you can barricade yourselves in your home for any great length of time, the better off you'll be as the length of time increases. There are a lot of lunatics out there and when they get their hands on guns, you'll be a lot safer in your home...more chance of them running out of bullets while you still have yours :)