What did Platon say about Atlantis?

[december]

How many people actually did read the Platon's works?
When I read stories about some "huge continent of Atlantis" it makes me think that not too many. :)

Well... Let's see what the real picture is...

:)

In his dialogues Timaeus and Critias Platon said that Atlantis was an ISLAND.

Here's a quote from the Wikipedia: Atlantis (Greek: Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος, "Island of Atlas") is the name of a legendary island first mentioned in Plato's dialogues Timaeus and Critias.

And on the same Wikipedia page you can find a picture of this ISLAND.

Picture of Plato's description of Atlantis


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Atlantis_picture.jpg

As you can see we don't need to speculate about Atlantis, because we do KNOW how it looked like.

So, if you take time to read the original source instead of some goofy books with pretty pictures than you will realize that the story of Atlantis is blown out of proportion.

Here's what Plato says in his dialogues :

Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our histories. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire... (from Timaeus)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis




Q. - So, what was it?
A. - Atlantis was one of the Greek Islands.

:)

[december]

In other words, the so-called Atlantis was just a small CITY on the ISLAND which went under water because of seismic activity, and that is quite normal for the Greek ISLANDS.

Just take a look how many of them... Which one is the next Atlantis?...
Pick one...

http://www.sunshineestates.net/reg_sum/reg_sum_images/greek_islands.gif

[adramelech]

december, the legends of a vast lost civilization in the sea and the subsequent "gods" who left it to establish other societies is near universal. It can be found in ancient civilizations on both sides of the Atlantic. Stories of gods coming from the sea and bringing technology, measurements and science are as old as dirt.

Plato's "Atlantis", or rather, interpretations and misinterpretations of it, simply lend a name and a common theme or reference point to lost island civilizations.

Beyond that, though, you completely misinterpret even Plato's words and those you quoted from a Wikipedia article, leading me to believe that you are probably not familiar with the material. You even said Atlantis was a small Greek island, despite the fact that the very thing you quoted claimed the area encompassing Atlantis was larger than Libya and Asia combined.

[december]

Beyond that, though, you completely misinterpret even Plato's words and those you quoted from a Wikipedia article, leading me to believe that you are probably not familiar with the material. You even said Atlantis was a small Greek island, despite the fact that the very thing you quoted claimed the area encompassing Atlantis was larger than Libya and Asia combined.


The exaggeration was a big part of Greek mythology

[space monkey]

december, the legends of a vast lost civilization in the sea and the subsequent "gods" who left it to establish other societies is near universal. It can be found in ancient civilizations on both sides of the Atlantic. Stories of gods coming from the sea and bringing technology, measurements and science are as old as dirt.

Plato's "Atlantis", or rather, interpretations and misinterpretations of it, simply lend a name and a common theme or reference point to lost island civilizations.

Beyond that, though, you completely misinterpret even Plato's words and those you quoted from a Wikipedia article, leading me to believe that you are probably not familiar with the material. You even said Atlantis was a small Greek island, despite the fact that the very thing you quoted claimed the area encompassing Atlantis was larger than Libya and Asia combined.

Not to mention that he can' teven bludy spell "Plato", LOL.

[december]

It can be found in ancient civilizations on both sides of the Atlantic.

Well of course! But what does it prove?


Not to mention that he can' teven bludy spell "Plato", LOL.

Blah...blah... blahhh....
Now go eat banana, monkey. :)

[space monkey]

Oo u callin a munkey?

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3/monkeygunhs5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[adramelech]

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2004/mar31/gun.jpg

[space monkey]

:D

[space monkey]

http://features-temp.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/41669/41669_1123607620.jpg

[Anders Lindman]

the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together,

Pretty big, huh? Atlantis was not an island, nor was it what is today called Pangea (even though that fictitious continent was bigger than Libya and Asia put together). Atlantis was a planet.

[space monkey]

Pretty big, huh? Atlantis was not an island, nor was it what is today called Pangea (even though that fictitious continent was bigger than Libya and Asia put together). Atlantis was a planet.

How do you know?

[Anders Lindman]

that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent.

A boundless continent? Is that actually, factually possible? Well, yes, the all-covering continental crust of another planet is indeed a boundless 'continent'.

[Anders Lindman]

How do you know?

The smaller green planet in this picture is Atlantis.

http://www.ncmedia.com/images/ct.gif

[Anders Lindman]

Atlantis a boundless continent? Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgkm0eBGsc

[tru3]

Atlantis a boundless continent? Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgkm0eBGsc

yes! thanks anders. i did a search for this a couple of days ago, but came up empty.

fresh data. really compelling. i feel an intense wave of expansion is coming in 2012.

[Anders Lindman]

yes! thanks anders. i did a search for this a couple of days ago, but came up empty.

fresh data. really compelling. i feel an intense wave of expansion is coming in 2012.

It would be interesting to have geologists to at least briefly examine this hypothesis, but even expanding earth researchers I contacted some years ago were reluctant to look at it. Imagine a professor with decades of expert knowledge and experience in geology. He or she will not likely give up mainstream theories such as plate tectonics.

I'm not saying that plate tectonics is wrong, only that it may be a too weak force to explain the whole picture, but I'm not an expert in geology, so more research is needed.

[december]

Stories of gods coming from the sea and bringing technology, measurements and science are as old as dirt.

adramelech, where does it say about technology in Plato (Platon)'s dialogue?

Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our histories. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire... (from Timaeus)

[december]

I wonder since when people begin to discuss Atlantis?
Who started it all?

Was it an Illuminati man Francis Bacon in 1624 when he wrote the "New Atlantis"?


http://pages.globetrotter.net/pcbcr/images/bacon.jpg

Francis Bacon, 1st Viscount St Alban (22 January 1561 – 9 April 1626) was a British philosopher, statesman, and essayist, but is best known as a philosophical advocate and defender of the scientific revolution. Indeed, his dedication brought him into a rare historical group of scientists who were killed by their own experiments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon


The Internet Wiretap edition of THE NEW ATLANTIS, by FRANCIS BACON. (Written in 1626.) From Ideal Commonwealths, P.F. Collier & Son, New York.(c)1901 The Colonial Press, expired. Prepared by Kirk Crady from scanner output provided by Internet Wiretap. This book is in the public domain, released August 1993.

The Wiretap edition has been changed to HTML format by William Uzgalis, July 1996.

1626

NEW ATLANTIS
by Francis Bacon

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/bacon/atlantis.html

[space monkey]

adramelech, where does it say about technology in Plato (Platon)'s dialogue?

Here monkey, have a banana.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2682/rachmaninoffvodkasr0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Alright, I'll zip up now. Promise.

[december]

space monkey, what is your nationality?

[december]

I wonder since when people begin to discuss Atlantis?
Who started it all?

Was it an Illuminati man Francis Bacon in 1624 when he wrote the "New Atlantis"?


http://pages.globetrotter.net/pcbcr/images/bacon.jpg

Francis Bacon, 1st Viscount St Alban (22 January 1561 – 9 April 1626) was a British philosopher, statesman, and essayist, but is best known as a philosophical advocate and defender of the scientific revolution. Indeed, his dedication brought him into a rare historical group of scientists who were killed by their own experiments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon


The Internet Wiretap edition of THE NEW ATLANTIS, by FRANCIS BACON. (Written in 1626.) From Ideal Commonwealths, P.F. Collier & Son, New York.(c)1901 The Colonial Press, expired. Prepared by Kirk Crady from scanner output provided by Internet Wiretap. This book is in the public domain, released August 1993.

The Wiretap edition has been changed to HTML format by William Uzgalis, July 1996.

1626

NEW ATLANTIS
by Francis Bacon

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/bacon/atlantis.html

[space monkey]

That depends. I have Near East blood, Polish blood, Russian blood, Irish blood, Greek blood. But if you mean, Where do you live?, then I live in England.

[Anders Lindman]

It would be interesting to have geologists to at least briefly examine this hypothesis,

I just wanted to add that the hypothesis is actually not related to the Atlantis story, just that I found some correlations in this thread that were interesting.

[december]

That depends. I have Near East blood, Polish blood, Russian blood, Irish blood, Greek blood.

It is a scientific FACT that people of MIXED blood always post these sort of messages:

GET DOWN WITH THE MOTHERFUCKING SICKNESS!


Why is it so?
It's because the DNAs of different nationalities "don't get along" in one body.

[space monkey]

It is a scientific FACT that people of MIXED blood always post these sort of messages:




Why is it so?
It's because the DNAs of different nationalities "don't get along" in one body.

Hmmm. How does one remedy this terrible strife?

[Anders Lindman]

DNAs of different nationalities "don't get along" in one body.

And you think DNAs of different sex do get along in one body? ;)

[space monkey]

And you think DNAs of different sex do get along in one body? ;)

But famous Russian goverment scientist Dr. Yamaka prove female brain is size of squirrel!

[Anders Lindman]

But famous Russian goverment scientist Dr. Yamaka prove female brain is size of squirrel!

Exactly. Male DNA and female DNA don't mix well within one body. Just kidding! :D

[december]

Adramelech, where does it say about technology in Plato (Platon)'s dialogue?

Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our histories. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire... (from Timaeus)

[bigus_dickus]

Not to mention that he can' teven bludy spell "Plato", LOL.

he is actually spelling it correctly, it is Platon. you write "Plato" because the "n" makes a tonal difference to the "o", it makes it sound 'ow'.

[adramelech]

Plato's "Atlantis", or rather, interpretations and misinterpretations of it, simply lend a name and a common theme or reference point to lost island civilizations.

"To this day, Atlantis inspires today's literature, from science fiction to comic books and movies, its name having become a byword for any and all supposed prehistoric but advanced (and lost) civilizations."

[space monkey]

he is actually spelling it correctly, it is Platon. you write "Plato" because the "n" makes a tonal difference to the "o", it makes it sound 'ow'.

Well, aren't I clever.

It's just that December is always misspelling things, sometimes intentionaly it would seem. Appolagies.

[december]

he is actually spelling it correctly, it is Platon. you write "Plato" because the "n" makes a tonal difference to the "o", it makes it sound 'ow'.


Well, aren't I clever.

It's just that December is always misspelling things, sometimes intentionaly it would seem. Appolagies.

Space monkey, are you getting paid to spam this thread?



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Platon-2.jpg/200px-Platon-2.jpg

Plato (Greek: Πλάτων, Plátōn, "wide, broad-shouldered") (428/427 BC[a] – 348/347 BC), whose original name was Aristocles, was an ancient Greek philosopher, the second of the great trio of ancient Greeks –succeeding Socrates and preceding Aristotle– who between them laid the philosophical foundations of Western culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato

[them]

December, have you looked at any of Charles H Hapgoods work?

Maps of the ancient sea kings for example;

Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings: Evidence of Advanced Civilization in the Ice Age (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Maps-Ancient-Sea-Kings-Civilization/dp/0285636111/sr=1-1/qid=1170162104/ref=sr_1_1/203-4387772-3252705?ie=UTF8&s=books)

Synopsis
Charles Hapgood's classic book on ancient maps produces evidence of an advanced world-wide civilization existing many thousands of years before ancient Egypt. He has found the evidence in the Piri Reis Map that shows Antarctica, the Hadji Ahmed map, the Oronteus Finaeus and other amazing maps. Hapgood concluded that these maps were made from more ancient maps from the various ancient archives around the world, now lost. Not only were these unknown people more advanced in mapmaking than any other prior to the 18th century, it appears they mapped all the continents. The Americas were mapped thousands of years before Columbus and Antarctica was mapped once its coasts were free of ice.

http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07262/517C9DZJBJL._SS500_.jpg

[god is love]

Good point very interesting.
Here are some details for you to ponder.

Plato learnt about Atlantis from Solon.

Atl = Water
Antis = Andes
Solon = Sol = Sun
On = Egytian City of Sun Worship aka Heliopolis

Platon or Plato = broad-shouldered Atlas was broad shouldered

Atlas = Bears the world own his shoulders

So the bearer of the World or King of the World rules a Kingdom of Water in the Andes. The History of the Kingdom was learnt from the Sun ,from the City of the Sun.

This can be only one place Lake Titicaca in the Altiplano of Bolivia. This is the home of Viracocha ,there is a city of the Sun , a gateway of the Sun on a lake in the Andes.

[quanta3]

Or maybe it was called ATLANTis because it was in the ATLANTic Ocean..... the Pillars of Hercules are supposedly either side of the Gibraltar straights (the Rock of Gibraltar could most definetly be perceived as a pillar) and the straights of Hercules are the straights of Gibraltar. Approaching these straights from Greece, the island would have been, as stated, in front of the Pillars of Hercules in the Atlantic Ocean. How could it have just disappeared though if it was as large as Plato claimed?

[lydia78]

Edgar Cayce has some really interesting things to sat about atlantis, it's location is really in the name as you said, the atlantic ocean....it was a highly spiritually advanced land, wherein quartz and amytheist among other crystals were used to build technology, telepathy was the means of communication, etc as the legend goes it was a highly spiritually advanced cilivisation, bought down by the dark lords whom wanted full control, sounds like history repeating itself....

[edit]

"from the same womb". The myth and history: Delphinus, the Dolphin is Dauphin in France, Delfino in Italy, and Delphin in Germany: all from the Greek Delphis and Delphin, transcribed by the Latins as Delphis and Delphin. This last continued current through the 17th century, and in our day was resumed by Proctor for his reformed list. Chaucer, in the Hous of Fame, had Delphyn, and later than he it was Dolphyne.
. . . the Delphienus heit

Up in the aire.

— King James I, in Ane schort Poeme of Tyme.

It now is one of the smallest constellations, but originally may have included the stars that Hipparchos set off to form the new Equuleus; and in all astronomical literature has borne its present title and shape, with many and varied stories attached, for its namesake was always regarded as the most remarkable of marine creatures.

{Page 199} In Greece it also was Ieros Ikhthus, the Sacred Fish



http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-556.html
http://www.animalinfo.org/species/cetacean/platgang.htm
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7283&page=3
http://divesouthafrica.blogspot.com/2005/07/dna-samples-reveal-new-dolphin-species.html
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200507/r51690_138309.jpg
http://starryskies.com/The_sky/constellations/delphinus.html

Henry Kirke White's

lock'd in silence o'er Arion's star,

The slumbering night rolls on her velvet car.
In continuation of the Greek story of Arion and his Lyre (Lyra) appears Mousikon zodion, the Musicum signum of the Latins; or this may come from the fact mentioned in Ovid's Fasti that the constellation was supposed to contain nine stars, the number of the Muses, although Ptolemy prosaically catalogued 10; Argelander, 20; and Heis, 31.

Riccioli and La Lande cited Hermippus for Delphinus, and Acetes after the pirate-pilot who protected Bacchus on his voyage to Naxos and Ariadne; while to others it represented Apollo returning to Crissa or piloting Castalius from Crete.

{Page 200} The Hindus, from whom the Greeks are said to have borrowed it, — although the reverse of this may have been the case, — knew it as Shi-shu-mara, or Sim-shu-mara, changed in later days to Zizumara, a Porpoise, also ascribed to Draco. And they located here the 22d nakshatra, Cravishtha, Most Favorable, also called Dhanishtha, Richest; the Vasus, Bright or Good Ones, being the regents of this asterism, which was figured as a Drum or Tabor: beta marking the junction with Catabishaj.

Brown thinks that it may have been the Euphratean Makhar, although Capricorn also claimed this.

Al Biruni, giving the Arabic title Al Ka’ud, the Riding Camel, said that the early Christians — the Melkite and Nestorian sects — considered it the Cross of Jesus transferred to the skies after his crucifixion; but in Kazwini's day the learned of Arabia called alpha, beta, gamma, and delta Al ‘Ukud, the Pearls or Precious Stones adorning Al Salib, by which title the common people knew this Cross; the star epsilon, towards the tail, being Al ‘Amud al Salib, the Pillar of the Cross. But the Arabian astronomers adopted the Greek figure as their Dulfim, which one of their chroniclers described as "a marine animal friendly to man, attendant upon ships to save the drowning sailors."

The Alfonsine tables of 1545 said of Delphinus, Quae habet stellas quae sapiunt naturam, a generally puzzling expression, but common in the 1551 translation of the Tetrabiblos, where it signifies stars supposed to be cognizant of human births and influential over human character, — naturam. Ptolemy, as is shown in these Four Books, was a believer in the genethliacal influence of certain stars and constellations, of which this seems to have been one specially noted in that respect.

Delphinus lies east of Aquila, on the edge of the Milky Way, occupying, with the adjoining aqueous figures, the portion of the sky that Aratos called the Water. It culminates about the 15th of September.

Caesius placed here the Leviathan of the 104th Psalm; Novidius, the Great Fish that swallowed Jonah; but Julius Schiller knew some of its stars as the Water-pots of Cana. Popularly it now is Job’s Coffin, although the date and name of the inventor of this title I have not been able to learn.

The Chinese called the four chief stars and zeta Kwa Chaou, a Gourd.

[Starnames, Their Lore and Meaning, Richard Hinchley Allen, 1889]



http://users.winshop.com.au/annew/cons0.htm

http://www.yod2007.org/img/delphin.jpg
http://www.w3.org/2004/Talks/0611-sb-wsswintro/slide11-0.html
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:VnWpyjC_X2AJ:www.childrenscbf.org/medical/thalassemia.html+thalassa+blood+disease&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=nl
http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/museum/2006/02/13/exhibit-update-tower-of-babel/
http://phi.kenyon.edu/Depts/IPHS/Projects/Stella/Plato.htm
http://starryskies.com/The_sky/constellations/summer_skies.html