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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title
Doesn't seem to provide what some might claim on a practical level, at least not any more, but worth putting it out their(here).
yozhik
29-12-2008, 11:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title
Doesn't seem to provide what some might claim on a practical level, at least not any more, but worth putting it out their(here).
This is actually the root of the evil.
It means that any property you think you own, you don't.
Under the current system, you merely lease it or rent it from the Crown.
It sucks.
Might have to dig into the dictionary to find out the TRUE meaning of "freehold" versus "leasehold". :mad:
whitenight639
30-12-2008, 12:05 AM
This is actually the root of the evil.
It means that any property you think you own, you don't.
Under the current system, you merely lease it or rent it from the Crown.
It sucks.
Might have to dig into the dictionary to find out the TRUE meaning of "freehold" versus "leasehold". :mad:
yes you'r right there that is why aircraft are free to fly over your property and there aint shit you can do about it, the crown remains owner of your property.
stinker
31-12-2008, 02:27 PM
This is actually the root of the evil.
It means that any property you think you own, you don't.
Under the current system, you merely lease it or rent it from the Crown.
It sucks.
Might have to dig into the dictionary to find out the TRUE meaning of "freehold" versus "leasehold". :mad:
Freehold is an estate in fee simple absolute - therefore not allloidal. ;) Leasehold is an estate in fee simple for a term of years - agan not alloidal.
stinker
31-12-2008, 02:29 PM
yes you'r right there that is why aircraft are free to fly over your property and there aint shit you can do about it, the crown remains owner of your property.
The planes thing is nothing to do with the type of tenure. It's simply that under English Law there are limits to how high your ownership of land extends. British airways couldn't taxi through your garden on the basis that all property ultimately vests in the crown, for instance.
yozhik
31-12-2008, 04:45 PM
Freehold is an estate in fee simple absolute - therefore not allloidal. ;) Leasehold is an estate in fee simple for a term of years - agan not alloidal.
Exactly.
So once again we have been deceived; believing that when we bought property in England, we owned it outright. Whereas the truth is that, as serfs/subjects/slaves, we pay for the right to reside exclusively on land owned by the Master of the plantation.
The "fee simple" is merely an amount of fiat currency paid for the exclusivity. Again, this is further reinforced by the words in your passport, which states that; as a British* citizen (a slave speaking the language of the land of Briton) you have the right to abode. Nothing more, nothing less. You can reside. You can dwell. You do not have rights to allodial property.
However, you can and do, if you are not a citizen/slave/resident/beneficiary. It's called Claim of Right as a Freeman.
* British is a language. It is not a country or a reference to a nationality. By stating or claiming you are a British citizen, you are doing nothing more than stating you are a citizen that speaks British (English) ... so essentially, an English speaking slave. Still want to claim, with pride, that you're a British citizen?
pleasuredome
01-01-2009, 01:29 PM
i wouldnt base your opinions entirely on wikipedia says.
yozhik
01-01-2009, 05:40 PM
i wouldnt base your opinions entirely on wikipedia says.
at which post is this directed? :confused:
pleasuredome
01-01-2009, 05:48 PM
at which post is this directed? :confused:
sorry, its directed at everyone.
stinker
01-01-2009, 06:47 PM
sorry, its directed at everyone.
Nothing in my posts is from Wikipedia! :D But that did make me giggle!
pleasuredome
02-01-2009, 02:10 PM
Nothing in my posts is from Wikipedia! :D But that did make me giggle!
yeah, but just some general advice lol
what interests me is crown land is held in trust for the soveriegn by the crown. what if, and evidenced by her actions, she isnt sovereign anymore?
yozhik
02-01-2009, 02:40 PM
yeah, but just some general advice lol
what interests me is crown land is held in trust for the sovereign by the crown. what if, and evidenced by her actions, she isnt sovereign anymore?
"What if" ... (100% hypothetical here) ...
The person (use of word intended) we believe is the sovereign is merely a figurehead to conceal the true sovereign and owner of the land?
"What if" ...
The Crown (whatever/whoever that is) was the true sovereign, in terms of the holder of allodial title?
"What if" ...
"she" actually meant "they"?
pleasuredome
02-01-2009, 03:20 PM
"What if" ... (100% hypothetical here) ...
The person (use of word intended) we believe is the sovereign is merely a figurehead to conceal the true sovereign and owner of the land?
"What if" ...
The Crown (whatever/whoever that is) was the true sovereign, in terms of the holder of allodial title?
"What if" ...
"she" actually meant "they"?
how would you gain evidence over those 'what ifs'?
yozhik
02-01-2009, 05:43 PM
how would you gain evidence over those 'what ifs'?
Sorry - not meaning to mislead; just posing hypothetical questions to ensure we don't get trapped into only thinking within a confined space.
I'm not even proposing those "what if's" as existing, but more raising them as possible existence - if we can consider they are possible, then we also need to consider their actual existence ... if you understand what I'm trying to express (badly).
pleasuredome
02-01-2009, 05:53 PM
Sorry - not meaning to mislead; just posing hypothetical questions to ensure we don't get trapped into only thinking within a confined space.
I'm not even proposing those "what if's" as existing, but more raising them as possible existence - if we can consider they are possible, then we also need to consider their actual existence ... if you understand what I'm trying to express (badly).
sorry, you've misundertood me. what i mean is, are there any methods to find out if they could be true?
if you take my "what if?", how would you find out if the queen is sovereign?
might be worth a few of us writing to the queen to find out, hey? ;)
yozhik
02-01-2009, 06:59 PM
This looks interesting :rolleyes:
Definitely worth some research to determine it's validity.
Authentic compendium including the donation of the Kingdom of England and Ireland by John Lackland to Pope Innocent III (3rd October 1213).
SOURCE: http://asv.vatican.va/en/visit/p_nob/doc_transunto_giovanni.htm
King John ... John Lackland.
More accurately, King John sans terre (without land)
A King, without land.
Why? Maybe because he gave it away?
Food for thought ...