how do you unregister a vehicle?

[pleasuredome]

i called dvla today and asked them if there was a process to unregister a vehicle. they told me that there wasnt, and once a vehicle is registered by dvla its always registered.

i asked that if i scrapped my car myself and filled out the relevent parts of the log book and sent it back, what would be the status of the car. they said that the vehicle's record would be 'frozen', what ever that means. i asked if i had sent the log book off but decided not to break the car up, would i need to re-register it. they said no, just would need to inform them that its not scrapped.

so, is there something they're not telling me or is it impossible to unregister my car?

[malvern]

i too have had fun with the dvla.... and sent in a claim of proof, and asked them to change thier records, so that i am nolonger the keeper but the owner, also i have stated that i will not display tax for private use and that i do not contract drive.and when i do i will choose to contract .. then after that one i sent in a request for all the info on my files under the freedom of information , still awaiting that..
The joe on the front lines have no idea what is going on ...they just push the buttons that they have been allowed and told to push, so only expect them to think that way ... ...
once the info comes back then i can see what action if any, i should take next to reclaim my propaty.......
as for tax , i stopped that in october, i have been followed a few times,
in fact three time on christmas eve on my route across the motorway network ......but not stopped... I did go and speak with the local police about my no tax state and that i had a dispute with my contract with dvla...... and was told that.... that's ok , explain this if any officer stops you and they should understand ....but they will follow it up and report it back to the dvla ..... but yes they do know and understand private travell and public driver.

everyone must do what they feel is right ...... for only they will be the ones who have to state the reason to the enforcement joey ...if they stop you. (The AT's video is a good starting point on how to act when stopped by the police ).




freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[pleasuredome]

here is a reply i got on the 'thinkfree.ca' forum


It is irrelevant what the worker bee down at the agency is trained to say or expresses what little they know. Learning the law of contracts and trusts and then following through are the steps that one should take.

You purchased the automobile and possess it so then it belongs to you but you happen to have it registered in a Trust relationship (registration).

Return the plates and the Trust relationship paper marked "Canceled".

There is debate about whether one should remove the identifying vehicle number on the automobile. Since this number is for identification purposes for them and not for you I would remove it. It is usually in more than one location on the auto.

Create your own identification symbol, number, etc. and permanently fix it to the automobile.
Record your symbol in the newspaper for 30 days or other place of recording public documents.

[whitenight639]

here is a reply i got on the 'thinkfree.ca' forum

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that reply is great, i knew about returning the plates and taking the vin number off, but i have seen cop show on tv where they will take a vehicle off the road because its VIN has been modified or removed as that is reasonable suspision that that vehicle is stolen, but advertising a notice in the newspapaer is a great idea.

[marpat]

i called dvla today and asked them if there was a process to unregister a vehicle. they told me that there wasnt, and once a vehicle is registered by dvla its always registered.

i asked that if i scrapped my car myself and filled out the relevent parts of the log book and sent it back, what would be the status of the car. they said that the vehicle's record would be 'frozen', what ever that means. i asked if i had sent the log book off but decided not to break the car up, would i need to re-register it. they said no, just would need to inform them that its not scrapped.

so, is there something they're not telling me or is it impossible to unregister my car?

They will need to keep the number so that there will be a record of it even if it is destroyed. Why would you want to do such a thing anyway, it sounds ridiculous. Do you think that you will be able to evade paying road tax or something?

[boots]

that reply is great, i knew about returning the plates and taking the vin number off, but i have seen cop show on tv where they will take a vehicle off the road because its VIN has been modified or removed as that is reasonable suspision that that vehicle is stolen, but advertising a notice in the newspapaer is a great idea.

Also keep a copy of the NoU&I in your car that was sent to the Vehicle registration corporation notifying them of your intentions, if you get pulled over show the peace officer the notice and the one you have sent to the minister of police services.

Dont get bullied by the bullies or idiots that dont know what they are talking about.

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[pri01]

They will need to keep the number so that there will be a record of it even if it is destroyed. Why would you want to do such a thing anyway, it sounds ridiculous. Do you think that you will be able to evade paying road tax or something?

I have a similar problem which I would like to state is not ridiculous. Well it's my son's problem. My son bought a moped and it has never been on the road since he bought it and sent the registration documents of to dvla for the records to be changed. Not knowing that he had to send in a SORN statement to say that it is off the road he was sent a fine. I consequently sent the necessary paperwork off but he was told he still needs to pay the fine. He is not that good with officialdom and I know that he will not renew the SORN each year so I would rather he didn't have the bike which doesn't work anyway. No one will buy it as the parts needed are obsolete so he needs a solution. Sending the plates to DVLA seems like a good solution to me.

[pleasuredome]

They will need to keep the number so that there will be a record of it even if it is destroyed. Why would you want to do such a thing anyway, it sounds ridiculous. Do you think that you will be able to evade paying road tax or something?

what makes you think that you need to pay vehicle licence duty on an unregistered car?

[lordzoma]

Dynamite.

[Ian2day]

I've driven many a car on the roads which was unregistered and had no vehicle excise duty displayed. Vehicles also do not need to have an insurance policy as well as be registered or taxed to drive them on UK roads. Don't take my word for it though. You do need to know what requirements have to be met to meet your obligations to the community and your fellow human beings though.

The loopholes are there. If you can be bothered to do the research there is so much which is kept from the publics view. As has been stated before it is all to do with the wording which is used. Although I wouldn't go so far as to remove the VIN. Afterall you need something to identify the vehicle to the manufactuer for servicing and the supply of parts etc. If you are ever pulled over, remember you're in control of a vehicle, you're not driving a car for hire or reward.

[Ian2day]

Maybe permantley export the car to your local common Uban land? With the other freeman on the land having paid into a pool of I think 1 million pounds sterling to cover any claims for liability by third parties. Thus negating the need for an insurance policy underwritten by Lloyds of London.

There is a section on the V5 which can be filled out if exporting a vehicle from, is it worded as, "UK jurisdiction" on the slip. Its all to do with the terminology they use.

[thelyran]

i called dvla today and asked them if there was a process to unregister a vehicle. they told me that there wasnt, and once a vehicle is registered by dvla its always registered.

i asked that if i scrapped my car myself and filled out the relevent parts of the log book and sent it back, what would be the status of the car. they said that the vehicle's record would be 'frozen', what ever that means. i asked if i had sent the log book off but decided not to break the car up, would i need to re-register it. they said no, just would need to inform them that its not scrapped.

so, is there something they're not telling me or is it impossible to unregister my car?

...that's strange.The last 3 cars I built,all 1967 HR Holdens,were write-offs with only one having previous history with the RTA.I had to go back to the wreckers to get a docket to prove I bought the vehicles.Just to get them registered.Even the engines I use had no previous history,except one stroker
engine,that was remanufactured by Roadrunner(186cu through to 210cu).
Might have something to do with the age of the vehicle...it has no VIN,just a chassis number.You can change the type with a pop rivet gun,like upgrading from standard,special to the more lucrative premiere X2,providing you have a collection of I.D tags...like I have...haha.
Best method of disposal is demolition derby though....I'm about to donate
a 1965 HD wagon,should go well...since the other drivers are using 1980s and up shit-boxes,it'll be like knife to butter.

[pleasuredome]

...that's strange.The last 3 cars I built,all 1967 HR Holdens,were write-offs with only one having previous history with the RTA.I had to go back to the wreckers to get a docket to prove I bought the vehicles.Just to get them registered.Even the engines I use had no previous history,except one stroker
engine,that was remanufactured by Roadrunner(186cu through to 210cu).
Might have something to do with the age of the vehicle...it has no VIN,just a chassis number.You can change the type with a pop rivet gun,like upgrading from standard,special to the more lucrative premiere X2,providing you have a collection of I.D tags...like I have...haha.
Best method of disposal is demolition derby though....I'm about to donate
a 1965 HD wagon,should go well...since the other drivers are using 1980s and up shit-boxes,it'll be like knife to butter.

its probably to do with how old the cars are. i guess you could inform the dvla that the car is scrapped, remove the vin and reg plates. then there is no proof that the car was the previously registered vehicle. there is no law that says a car must have a vin plate. its for their use, not yours.

someone could ask "how can u prove its not stolen?" well, how can anyone prove that it is stolen?

[thelyran]

its probably to do with how old the cars are. i guess you could inform the dvla that the car is scrapped, remove the vin and reg plates. then there is no proof that the car was the previously registered vehicle. there is no law that says a car must have a vin plate. its for their use, not yours.

someone could ask "how can u prove its not stolen?" well, how can anyone prove that it is stolen?

...that's what I thought.It's by no mistake I choose this particular vehicle,besides romantic attatchments and sentimentalities.It has no computer,very basic,light (1040 kgs)...and untrackable.don't have a mobile phone neither,only once,pre-paid under someone elses name.The only trackable item I have is this PC...my bank-card,is the opted non-visa...no chip.
Did you know,new cars boots can be opened by satellite control.I know,sounds strange,but true.Yeah,no E-tag,I live no-where near a metropolitan area...and would'nt travel a pay-for road anyway...if situations change,I will review my stategies...take care Pleasuredome.
Hell,the old-beast does'nt even have power-steering nor air-conditioning.
...a luxury to have a heater that works...hahaha

[ownoiz]

Dynamite.

dynamite for the car or the DMV? :o

I guess either would work if applied correctly..i better stop talking about blowing things up now i may get had on some trumped up terrorism charge :p

someone could ask "how can u prove its not stolen?" well, how can anyone prove that it is stolen?

And that is precisely what has to happen where i am, i have seen cars get confiscated by police for no VIN tag and engine number drilled out or filed off, then

they will attempt to find out if it is a vehicle reported stolen, they have to prove it is stolen or they cant do anything.

If its stolen, well you know the rest, if they cant prove its stolen they return the vehicle after retrofitting their new ID/VIN tag and stamping the engine block.

Even if it is a stolen vehicle but the tracks have been covered and there is no other identifiable chassis or engine information i have seen them return the vehicle, no proof no crime.

They may x-ray the cylinder block to see the engine number, when it is ground off, the pressure from stamping it distorts the metal and you get a number visible with x-ray. Drilling the numbers out 1/4 inch means they cant get a number.

So my point is a lack of VIN plate and engine number alone is not enough for them to permanently take possesion of the vehicle, however the police are likely to seize it for inspection if these are missing or tampered.
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[pleasuredome]

dynamite for the car or the DMV? :o

I guess either would work if applied correctly..i better stop talking about blowing things up now i may get had on some trumped up terrorism charge :p



And that is precisely what has to happen where i am, i have seen cars get confiscated by police for no VIN tag and engine number drilled out or filed off, then

they will attempt to find out if it is a vehicle reported stolen, they have to prove it is stolen or they cant do anything.

If its stolen, well you know the rest, if they cant prove its stolen they return the vehicle after retrofitting their new ID/VIN tag and stamping the engine block.

Even if it is a stolen vehicle but the tracks have been covered and there is no other identifiable chassis or engine information i have seen them return the vehicle, no proof no crime.

They may x-ray the cylinder block to see the engine number, when it is ground off, the pressure from stamping it distorts the metal and you get a number visible with x-ray. Drilling the numbers out 1/4 inch means they cant get a number.

So my point is a lack of VIN plate and engine number alone is not enough for them to permanently take possesion of the vehicle, however the police are likely to seize it for inspection if these are missing or tampered.
.

great info, thanks!

[john white]

i too have had fun with the dvla.... and sent in a claim of proof, and asked them to change thier records, so that i am nolonger the keeper but the owner, also i have stated that i will not display tax for private use and that i do not contract drive.and when i do i will choose to contract .. then after that one i sent in a request for all the info on my files under the freedom of information , still awaiting that..
The joe on the front lines have no idea what is going on ...they just push the buttons that they have been allowed and told to push, so only expect them to think that way ... ...
once the info comes back then i can see what action if any, i should take next to reclaim my propaty.......
as for tax , i stopped that in october, i have been followed a few times,
in fact three time on christmas eve on my route across the motorway network ......but not stopped... I did go and speak with the local police about my no tax state and that i had a dispute with my contract with dvla...... and was told that.... that's ok , explain this if any officer stops you and they should understand ....but they will follow it up and report it back to the dvla ..... but yes they do know and understand private travell and public driver.

everyone must do what they feel is right ...... for only they will be the ones who have to state the reason to the enforcement joey ...if they stop you. (The AT's video is a good starting point on how to act when stopped by the police ).




freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Great post Malvern, especially as I know every word of it is complete truth

[thelyran]

great info, thanks!

an update on that wagon...came 6th in derby,only because the seat snapped with the driver face butting the steering wheel,knocking himself out cold.But it can be reused.Parramatta Speedway.Should get a copy of the video in a few days.Best method of vehicle disposal ever.

[red_ram]

an update on that wagon...came 6th in derby,only because the seat snapped with the driver face butting the steering wheel,knocking himself out cold.But it can be reused.Parramatta Speedway.Should get a copy of the video in a few days.Best method of vehicle disposal ever.

Only someone who uses a sniper kitten as an av could come up with such a hardcore method of car destruction, and include the amusing aside of the driver knocking himself out on the steering wheel. :cool:

[iamfreeee]

can someone please break all this down in layman's terms, because where i live the police hail down from st albans and have reg plate recognition which instantly tells the peace man in the car if a car he passes or is following, has insurance or not and will pull you over, (i've been pulled over twice already :( ) i've already spoken with a peace officer and asked if there was a way you can drive legally in the uk without the need for insurance and he was very adamant that you could not, i don't fancy having to educate every peace officer i pass with plate recognition in his peace car for simply traveling in my vehicle, because they will most likely seize the vehicle. so how do you go about getting your car unregistered and being able to drive legally while not displaying road tax and without the need for insurance?

what would be great is if there was some kind of special reg plate you can be given by either the DVLA (dont hold your breath for that 1! ) or the police which instantly identifies the operator as a traveler and not a driver and as such, is the owner and not the keeper of vehicle, as well as road tax and insurance exempt.

would be very much appreciated, thanks and happy new year 1 and all.

[thelyran]

Only someone who uses a sniper kitten as an av could come up with such a hardcore method of car destruction, and include the amusing aside of the driver knocking himself out on the steering wheel. :cool:

:D...if the vids good and can be uploaded,it's 6 mins long,I'll drop it here if
Mr Pleasuredome don't mind....I try to conceal my hardcore...forum readers would shudder if they knew half of it....I use to joust,using cars...hahahaha:D

[Ian2day]

can someone please break all this down in layman's terms, because where i live the police hail down from st albans and have reg plate recognition which instantly tells the peace man in the car if a car he passes or is following, has insurance or not and will pull you over, (i've been pulled over twice already :( ) i've already spoken with a peace officer and asked if there was a way you can drive legally in the uk without the need for insurance and he was very adamant that you could not, i don't fancy having to educate every peace officer i pass with plate recognition in his peace car for simply traveling in my vehicle, because they will most likely seize the vehicle. so how do you go about getting your car unregistered and being able to drive legally while not displaying road tax and without the need for insurance?

what would be great is if there was some kind of special reg plate you can be given by either the DVLA (dont hold your breath for that 1! ) or the police which instantly identifies the operator as a traveler and not a driver and as such, is the owner and not the keeper of vehicle, as well as road tax and insurance exempt.

would be very much appreciated, thanks and happy new year 1 and all.

First off if you use square number plates then the recognistion software can't read the plate. Just tell the person making the plates up that your car is non UK spec and so the numberplate apperture is a different shape and you need a square plate. Or that it is for a caravan.

You need to be able to meet your third party liability in the event of a claim. This is usually achieved by either depositing one million pounds sterling with some official or by proving that you have the funds to meet the obligations of a claim against you. Loads of businesses do this as it works out cheaper than having a conventional policy. Maybe personal liability cover would suffice as long as the wording of the policy does not exclude motorised vehicles.

The process to unregister a car is fairly simple. Export it to a non UK jurisdiction local. Now this may be a patch of common Urban land as Freemen on the land have the right to occupy common urban land as long as they provide a service for the community. Or purchase a car, sorry I mean vehicle from abroad and ship it here and just don't register it with DVLA.

To purchase vehicle excise duty a vehicle has to have a Ministry of Transport Test to ensure it is kept and maintained in a road worthy condition. Now if you are driving for hire or reward then you can be licensed by the local authority and not need a MOT. However under common law, you have the right to freedom of movement or travel on the paths and tracks. This includes I believe the right to drive a vehicile. As such any such legislation which curtails this right is a breach of your God given rights to domicile and move freely on the land.

None of what I have typed should be viewed as legal advice or points of law, either common law, or as laws legislated by the houses of parliament and the house of lords. Get a book on common laws. Research what you can and can't do. However you have to be careful with the choice of language you use to communicate with the policy enforcers otherwise you may end up in a contract covered under admiralty law. I should point out that I have not declared myself as a freeman on the land. I have merely utilised the legislation as I see fit, to go about my peaceful life. Maybe I should add that I do not currently use any of this in my own life. I have done in the past though.

[whitenight639]

None of what I have typed should be viewed as legal advice or points of law, either common law, or as laws legislated by the houses of parliament and the house of lords. Get a book on common laws. Research what you can and can't do. However you have to be careful with the choice of language you use to communicate with the policy enforcers otherwise you may end up in a contract covered under admiralty law. I should point out that I have not declared myself as a freeman on the land. I have merely utilised the legislation as I see fit, to go about my peaceful life. Maybe I should add that I do not currently use any of this in my own life. I have done in the past though.


I'd like to say that if iwere to unregister my car and exercise my common law right to travel, i would still MOT my car or if that puts me in contract get the garage to do what they would asif they were doing an MOT but without the papaerworks / cert, and I would expect everyone else to do the same, As driving a unfit /dangerous vehicles on the road would lead to a bad light on us people excercising there rights.

[pleasuredome]

I'd like to say that if iwere to unregister my car and exercise my common law right to travel, i would still MOT my car or if that puts me in contract get the garage to do what they would asif they were doing an MOT but without the papaerworks / cert, and I would expect everyone else to do the same, As driving a unfit /dangerous vehicles on the road would lead to a bad light on us people excercising there rights.

quite right, freeman movement is about acting responsibly.

[john white]

I'd like to say that if iwere to unregister my car and exercise my common law right to travel, i would still MOT my car or if that puts me in contract get the garage to do what they would asif they were doing an MOT but without the papaerworks / cert, and I would expect everyone else to do the same, As driving a unfit /dangerous vehicles on the road would lead to a bad light on us people excercising there rights.quite right, freeman movement is about acting responsibly

I'd add a Freeman does not act in any way that could create dishonour

It would be dishonourable not to be sure of the mechanical fitness of a conveyance one used

On the point about insurance, I am unsure on the law requiring us to have insurance and whether it is a statute one can dis-associate with, but acting honourably, insurance is a good idea for a freeman to have

It is unnecessary unless one has an accident, and if one is responsible, it is honourable to be able to make good any damage caused, so contracting for insurance might be preferable than having (or being able to have) a reserve of cash to cover possible damage contingencies

[stinker]

I'd add a Freeman does not act in any way that could create dishonour

It would be dishonourable not to be sure of the mechanical fitness of a conveyance one used

On the point about insurance, I am unsure on the law requiring us to have insurance and whether it is a statute one can dis-associate with, but acting honourably, insurance is a good idea for a freeman to have

It is unnecessary unless one has an accident, and if one is responsible, it is honourable to be able to make good any damage caused, so contracting for insurance might be preferable than having (or being able to have) a reserve of cash to cover possible damage contingencies

Given that the damage caused could be personal injury, I'd go for the insurance route. Providing medical care for potentially the rest of someone's life plus loss of earnings can be extremely costly.

[john white]

Given that the damage caused could be personal injury, I'd go for the insurance route. Providing medical care for potentially the rest of someone's life plus loss of earnings can be extremely costly.

God forbid, but a good point

[Ian2day]

There is a pool of revenue created by the Insurance companies. In case of such a situation arising, where an uninsured driver is involved in an accident. This of course should not be relied on by anyone who is purporting to be a Freeman on the land.

[pleasuredome]

here is something ive just been working on. im thinking of sending this to the dvla and the police, and putting it in the local papers



NOTICE OF UNDERSTANDING AND CLAIM OF RIGHT


I ...... ....... of The family ....., do solemnly and sincerely declare that,

it is my understanding that any right that you may claim over my car is through my consent.

and it is my understanding that any statute by which you may claim to use to back any claim you may make on my car can only be valid if i consent to those statutes.

and it is my understanding that my purchase of my car, my possession of it, my upkeep and maintanence of it, proves that i am the lawful owner and have sole claim to it.

and it is my understanding that any claim that you have over myself to control whatever form of conveyance i may choose to operate on Her Majesty's roads and highways is only done with my consent

and it is my understanding that any statute by which you may claim to use to back any claim you may make to control whatever form of conveyance i may choose to operate on Her Majesty's roads and highways is only done so with my consent.


and it is my understanding that if you claim title to my car then you only do so with my consent.

I hereby serve notice and state clearly specifically and unequivocally that, under the law and customs of England, of which Her Majesty Queen Elizibeth II has sworn oath to protect, i make claim to what is rightly, justly and lawfully mine.

i claim full rights, title and lawfull ownership of of any form of conveyance in my possessionand the use of it on Her Majesty's roads and highways or on private land.

i claim that any consent which may have been either expressed or implied by myself or my person in regard to or relation of operating any form of conveyance on Her Majesty's roads and highways is withdrawn.

i claim that any registrations or licences with the dvla are now void.

i claim it is my lawful right to travel and use any form of conveyance on Her Majesty's roads and highways so long as i act with care and responsibilty to any third parties.

I claim my FEE SCHEDULE in regard to my lawful right to freely travel on Her Majesty's roads and highways for any transgressions by police officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants is FIVE HUNDRED GB POUNDS PER HOUR if and from the moment on being stopped (with the exception of being stopped by the police to ascertain if the conveyance has been stolen), questioned, interrogated or in any way detained, harassed or otherwise regulated and FIVE THOUSAND GB POUNDS PER HOUR if and from the moment I am handcuffed, transported, incarcerated or subjected to any adjudication process without my express written and notarised consent. Also if violence be done to either me or those under my care and protection, or damage of loss to my privately owned, borrowed or hired conveyance the fee shall be FIFTEEN THOUSAND GB POUNDS in addition to any compensation that may be awarded.

I claim the right to convene a proper court de jure in order to address any potentially criminal actions of any police officers, government officials, principals or agents or justice system participants who, having been served notice of this claim fail to dispute or discuss or make lawful counterclaim and then interfere by act or omission with the lawful exercise of properly claimed and established rights and freedoms.

I claim the right to deal with any counterclaims or disputes publicly and in an open forum using discussion and negotiation and to capture both video and audio evidence of said discussion and negotiation for whatever lawful purpose as I see fit.

Affected parties wishing to dispute the claims made herein, or make their own counterclaims must respond appropriately within TEN (10) days of service of notice of this action. Responses must be under Oath or attestation, upon fullcommercial liability and penalty of perjury and received via registered mail to:



no later than TEN (10) days from the date of original service as dated by way of Royal Mail recorded delivery service.

Failure to register a dispute against the claims made herein will result in an automatic default judgement and permanent and irrevocable estoppels by acquiescence barring the bringing of charges under any statute, act or regulation against myself, ..... ...... of the family ....... for exercising these lawful and properly established rights, freedoms and duties.

[friendsinthesky]

Nice work pleasuredome^. But if you're sending it to the DVLA, then maybe get your personal plates made first and let them know what is on your "new" plates so they can instruct the peace officers to back off.

[randypeters]

Remember that if you go asking public servants how to become free, they will always tell you it's impossible. That is their job.

You can't ask not to be governed, you must inform them.

[pleasuredome]

Nice work pleasuredome^. But if you're sending it to the DVLA, then maybe get your personal plates made first and let them know what is on your "new" plates so they can instruct the peace officers to back off.

yep i'll put that in

[pleasuredome]

Remember that if you go asking public servants how to become free, they will always tell you it's impossible. That is their job.

You can't ask not to be governed, you must inform them.

dont worry, i wont be asking anymore ;)

[yozhik]

Would it be worthwhile stating your claim to allodial title?
Might be overkill, but just a thought so as to remove any ambiguity :)

[pleasuredome]

Would it be worthwhile stating your claim to allodial title?
Might be overkill, but just a thought so as to remove any ambiguity :)

good idea! its been adjusted :cool:

[pleasuredome]

here's a new draft

NOTICE OF UNDERSTANDING AND CLAIM OF RIGHT



I ...... ....... of The family ....., do solemnly and sincerely declare that,

It is my understanding that any right that you, the DVLA, may claim over my private conveyance, known to you as "**** ***", is through my consent;

and it is my understanding that any statute by which you may claim to use to back any claim you may make on my car can only be valid if I consent to those statutes;

and it is my understanding that my purchase of my car, which is my own private conveyance, my possession of it, my upkeep and maintenance of it, proves that I am the lawful owner and have sole claim to it;

and it is my understanding that any claim that you have over myself to control whatever form of private conveyance I may choose to operate on Her Majesty's roads and highways is only done so with my consent;

and it is my understanding that any statute by which you may claim to use to back any claim you may make to control whatever form of private conveyance I may choose to operate on Her Majesty's roads and highways is only done so with my consent.

I hereby serve notice and state clearly specifically and unequivocally that, under the law and customs of England, of which Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has sworn oath to protect, I make claim to what is rightly, justly and lawfully mine.

I claim full lawful rights, allodial title and ownership of any form of private conveyance in my lawful possession and the use of it freely on Her Majesty's roads and highways or on private land, acting with reasonable care and responsibility to any third parties road users.

I claim it is my lawful right to travel and use any form of private conveyance on Her Majesty's roads and highways without let, hindrance, levy, licence or duty.

I claim that any consent which may have been either expressed or implied by myself in regard to or relation of any statute regulating the operation of any form of conveyance on Her Majesty's roads and highways is withdrawn.

I claim that any registrations or licences with the DVLA are now void.

I claim the right to put reference plates on my private conveyance in a size, style, colour and lettering of my own choosing, in a clear fashion so that any interested relevant party can refer to the exact status of myself and my private conveyance and that that reference will be known as "******" which I give consent be noted for the records of the DVLA and the police.

I claim the right to use or accept any word or words to describe a private conveyance being owned or used by myself, which will include but not limited to, vehicle, motor vehicle, car, automobile, or any word in relation to that private conveyance, and that the use or acceptance of those words does not in any way, shape or form imply any consent to come under any statute.

I claim my FEE SCHEDULE in regard to my lawful right to freely travel on Her Majesty's roads and highways for any transgressions by police officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants is FIVE HUNDRED GB POUNDS PER HOUR if and from the moment on being stopped (with the exception of being stopped by a uniformed police officer who, having reasonable suspicion, needs to ascertain if the conveyance has been stolen), questioned, interrogated or in any way detained, harassed or otherwise regulated; and FIVE THOUSAND GB POUNDS PER HOUR if and from the moment I am arrested, handcuffed, transported, incarcerated or subjected to any adjudication process without my express written and notarised consent. Also if violence is done to either myself or those under my care and protection, or damage or loss to my privately owned or borrowed or hired private conveyance, the fee shall be TWENTY THOUSAND GB POUNDS in addition to any compensation that may be awarded.

I claim that the reference “******” belongs to myself, and that any person, individual, corporation or human using the said reference on a private or public conveyance or on their records without my express written consent will have legal action taken against them, and that there will be a fee of TWO THOUSAND GB POUNDS in addition to any compensation that may be awarded for any unlawful entry of said reference on any records.

I claim the right to convene a proper court de jure in order to address any potentially criminal actions of any police officers, government officials, principals or agents or justice system participants who, having been served notice of this claim fail to dispute or discuss or make lawful counterclaim and then interfere by act or omission with the lawful exercise of properly claimed and established rights and freedoms.

I claim the right to deal with any counterclaims or disputes publicly and in an open forum using discussion and negotiation and to capture both video and audio evidence of said discussion and negotiation for whatever lawful purpose as I see fit.

Affected parties wishing to dispute the claims made herein, or make their own counterclaims must respond appropriately within TEN (10) days of service of notice of this action. Responses are required to be made under Oath or attestation, upon full commercial liability and penalty of perjury and received via registered mail to:



No later than TEN (10) days from the date of original service as dated by way of Royal Mail recorded delivery service.

Failure to register a dispute against the claims made herein will result in an automatic default judgement and permanent and irrevocable estoppels by acquiescence barring the bringing of charges under any statute, act or regulation against myself, ..... ...... of the family ....... for exercising these lawful and properly established rights, freedoms and duties.

[freedom_thoughts]

That is some draft you have there pleasuredome .... keeps us all updated once you have sent it off, and how you go from then on in.

Interesting indeed!!

[sindakit]

[\QUOTE]I claim that the reference “******” belongs to myself, and that any person, individual, corporation or human using the said reference on a private or public conveyance or on their records without my express written consent will have legal action taken against them, and that there will be a fee of TWO THOUSAND GB POUNDS in addition to any compensation that may be awarded for any unlawful entry of said reference on any records.[\QUOTE]

surely this would require you to either send noui&cor to all drivers in the UK wishing to become freemen on the land or for you to print in a national newspaper?
what if someone went ahead and sent an nou-cor off and requested the use of the same plate before you did!?
perhaps we should have a universal plate to spread freeman ideals to other road users.

[pleasuredome]

[\QUOTE]I claim that the reference “******” belongs to myself, and that any person, individual, corporation or human using the said reference on a private or public conveyance or on their records without my express written consent will have legal action taken against them, and that there will be a fee of TWO THOUSAND GB POUNDS in addition to any compensation that may be awarded for any unlawful entry of said reference on any records.[\QUOTE]

surely this would require you to either send noui&cor to all drivers in the UK wishing to become freemen on the land or for you to print in a national newspaper?
what if someone went ahead and sent an nou-cor off and requested the use of the same plate before you did!?
perhaps we should have a universal plate to spread freeman ideals to other road users.

then i'll put it in a national newspaper :)

somone would have to contest it, but lets say someone had claimed the same ref number, then we can always come to an agreement for me to change and claim a new one.

[infin8_possibility]

then i'll put it in a national newspaper :)

somone would have to contest it, but lets say someone had claimed the same ref number, then we can always come to an agreement for me to change and claim a new one.

What would be the consequences if someone had previously claimed the reg number you choose to use under common law?

[infin8_possibility]

Hey PD!

Im new to the Freeman Philosophy so excuse my ignorance for now.

and it is my understanding that my purchase of my car, which is my own private conveyance, my possession of it, my upkeep and maintenance of it, proves that I am the lawful owner and have sole claim to it;

If you make this claim and the DVLA/Police don't contest it this makes the car lawfully yours? What if they did contest it, how would you deal with that?

I claim it is my lawful right to travel and use any form of private conveyance on Her Majesty's roads and highways without let, hindrance, levy, licence or duty.

By duty you mean exise duty (car tax) right? But what do let, hindrance, levy mean?

I claim full lawful rights, allodial title and ownership of any form of private conveyance in my lawful possession

What does the term "allodial title" represent?

Cheers to any responses in advance.

[tom bombadil]

Hullo pleasuredome

You say;
"I claim the right to deal with any counterclaims or disputes publicly and in an open forum using discussion and negotiation and to capture both video and audio evidence of said discussion and negotiation for whatever lawful purpose as I see fit."

Also include an ability to record on paper in writen and pictoral form, and within the digital domain of PDF's and others alike.


Tom.

[pleasuredome]

If you make this claim and the DVLA/Police don't contest it this makes the car lawfully yours? What if they did contest it, how would you deal with that?

yes. if they contest it then i would just counter their arguement, but they have to have a lawful reason in their arguement.

By duty you mean exise duty (car tax) right? But what do let, hindrance, levy mean?

let is pretty much the same as hindrance. and levy is same as tax.

What does the term "allodial title" represent?

it means that it yours and cannot be claimed by anyone else

[pleasuredome]

Hullo pleasuredome

You say;
"I claim the right to deal with any counterclaims or disputes publicly and in an open forum using discussion and negotiation and to capture both video and audio evidence of said discussion and negotiation for whatever lawful purpose as I see fit."

Also include an ability to record on paper in writen and pictoral form, and within the digital domain of PDF's and others alike.


Tom.

cheers, tom!

[number_6]

Now if you are driving for hire or reward then you can be licensed by the local authority and not need a MoT

I suggest you research a bit deeper before posting such rubbish.

[wise haven]

I suggest you research a bit deeper before posting such rubbish.
If something is intrinsically "Lawful" to do, without a license, tax, insurance, road worthiness inspection it remains lawful and may only be made illegal by a statute or Act of Parliament.
Government can make any lawful activity illegal for as long as the statute remains on the books and has not been repealed.
Strangely enough, the government can also legalise an unlawful act such as murder (war, executioner etc).
We are governed by consent, therefore if we withdraw consent to be governed we are no longer subject to statutes.

The phrase "Law is an ass" should be amended to "Statute law is an Ass" and the government, by association, should also be regarded so too.

[freedom_thoughts]

We are governed by consent, therefore if we withdraw consent to be governed we are no longer subject to statutes.


Thats what I don't really 'get' about the NOU's and COR's etc, because surely I should be able to create a document (which isn't as complicated and one that I actually understand in my language as it were!) where I withdraw my consent to be governed and am therefore no longer ruled by 'their' statutes etc, and then this should be it, no?

Surely I could then send this document to all concerned whom I have previously registered with etc, and this should then mean that I am no longer governed by the particular statute.

For instance, if I choose to not pay tax, have a drivers license etc, I should be able to send the document to the DVLA saying that I have withdrawn my consent to be governed by the current government and therefore am no longer ruled under the road tax act, drivers license act etc ( I know there not the correct names) ??

[wise haven]

Thats what I don't really 'get' about the NOU's and COR's etc, because surely I should be able to create a document (which isn't as complicated and one that I actually understand in my language as it were!) where I withdraw my consent to be governed and am therefore no longer ruled by 'their' statutes etc, and then this should be it, no?

Surely I could then send this document to all concerned whom I have previously registered with etc, and this should then mean that I am no longer governed by the particular statute.

For instance, if I choose to not pay tax, have a drivers license etc, I should be able to send the document to the DVLA saying that I have withdrawn my consent to be governed by the current government and therefore am no longer ruled under the road tax act, drivers license act etc ( I know there not the correct names) ??

Knowledge creates belief and confidence to challenge the government with a legal argument that, should you need to, use in court to lay claim the inalienable rights you have.
In the process of seeking that knowledge you will, eventually, be able to craft your Notice of Understanding etc, in your own words, with full understanding, covering all legal and lawful bases thereby making your claim water tight.
Many will tell you, usually through ignorance, that the rights you want to lay claim to do not exist and you only have recourse through a legislative system which you MUST conform to.
This is not true unless you live in a non democratic or dictatorial political system.
A political system that rules without your consent can only do so by force of arms or trick you into the false belief that you are not a sovereign born human being.
They may, mistakenly, have that belief - but belief does not make for facts.
This type of system goes against all natural and moral laws and has no place in the 21st century-and is a system that is ripe for revolt if the people of that country have not been utterly indoctrinated, subdued and blinded by social propaganda.

The main thing to remember about a NoUI and a CR is that it needs to cover everything you want it to so you don't have to keep re-drafting and redistributing every time you think of something.

Do you want me to post the text of 21st Politix' notice from Youtube?

[freedom_thoughts]

Do you want me to post the text of 21st Politix' notice from Youtube?

If you could that would be GREAT! ... I have a very slow internet connection and unfortunately cannot watch any of the videos on freeman stuff on youtube, nor anywhere else.

Thanks wise haven!!:)

[wise haven]

If you could that would be GREAT! ... I have a very slow internet connection and unfortunately cannot watch any of the videos on freeman stuff on youtube, nor anywhere else.

Thanks wise haven!!:)

Here we go:

All credit must go to 21stcenturypolitix (http://uk.youtube.com/user/21stCenturyPolitix) who created the vid of which this is the transcript. I have added a couple of notes.
I saved this transcript as a template to add and subtract any of my own observations and requirements. This version is pretty much the unadulterated version from the author.
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Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right (Title)

Whereras it is my understanding that the United Kingdom is a common law jurisdiction, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that equality before the law is paramount and mandatory, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that a statute is defined as a legislated rule of a society which has been given the force of law, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that a society is defined as a number of people joined by mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that the only form of government recognised as lawful in the United Kingdom is a representative one, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that representation required mutual consent, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that in the absence of mutual consent neither representation nor governance can exist, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that all Acts are statutes restricted in scope and applicability by the Constitution and/or Bill of Rights, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that said scope and applicability is limited to members and employees of government, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that those who have a NI number (National Insurance Number) are in fact employees of the UK government and thus are bound by the statutes created by the UK government. and,
Whereas it is my understanding that it is lawful to abandon one's NI number, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that human beings in the United Kingdom have a right to revoke or deny consent to be represented and thus governed, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that if anyone does revoke or deny consent they exist free of government control and statutory restraints, and,
Whereas a Freeman-on-the-Land has lawfully revoked consent and does exist free of statutory restrictions, obligations, and limitations, and,
Whereas I, James-Michael: Parson am a Freeman-on-the-Land, and,
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Whereas it is my understanding that acting peacefully within community standards does not breach the peace, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that any action for which one can apply for and receive a license must itself be a fundamentally lawful action, and,
Whereas I am not a child, and, (Important)
Whereas I am a peaceful human being, and,
Whereas I am a Freeman-on-the-Land who operates with full responsibility, I do not see the need to ask permission to engage in lawful and peaceful activities, especially from those who claim limited liability, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that a by-law is defined as a rule of a corporation, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that corporations are legal fictions and require contracts in order to claim authority or control over other parties, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that legal fiction lack a soul and cannot exert any control over those who are thus blessed and operate with respect to that knowledge as only a fool would allow soulless fictions to dictate ones actions, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that I have a right to us my property without having to pay for the use or enjoyment of it, and,
Whereas I claim the right to collect a pension if I have paid into it and claim that said right is not affected if I abandon my National Insurance Number, and,(optional)
Whereas it is my understanding that a summons is merely an invitation to attend and creates no obligation or dishonour if ignored, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that peace officers have a duty to distinguish between statute and law and those who attempt to enforce statutes against a Freeman-on-the-Land are in fact breaking the ,and,
Whereas I have the power to refuse intercourse or interaction with peace officers who have not observed me breach the peace, and,
Whereas permanent estoppel by acquiescence barring any peac officer or prosecutor from bringing charges against a Freeman-on-the-Land under any Act is created if this claim is not responded to in the stated fashion and time,
Therefore be it now known to any and all concerned and affected parties, that I, James Michael: Parson, a Freeman-on-the-Land do hereby state clearly specifically and unequivocally my intent to peacefully and lawfully exist free of all statutory obligations restrictions and maintain all rights at law to trade, exchange or barter.
(five caveats....optional)
Furthermore I claim the right to Lawfully:
(1) Exercise my "common law right to travel", unhindered, unencumbered at my discretion in my private conveyance of the day, to wit, my private, unregistered, unlicensed automobile.
(2) Exercise my God given right to travel as stated in the Queen's Bible.
(3) Exercise my "common law right" to refuse to obtain by submission; any application for any government issued license, permit or seek permission to perform any fundamentally lawfull action or, enter into any government contract under duress, threat and/or intimidation which would involve committing an act of fraud and/or theft, or any other crime, by ways of deception by "I" and/or any involved government principal, employee or agent.
(in compliance with my Common Laq Rights, the Magna Carta etc.)
(4) Exercise my right to possess, cultivate or use medicinally any plant of the genus Cannabis.
(5) Exercise my right to possess unregistered, unlicensed firearms and ammunition and to use the same for target practice at a range or hunting for food and further swear under oath/affirm never to open fire on another human being unless as a last resort to protect human life.
I claim that pursuant to any action by any government and/or any principal, member, employee, agent, servant, person thereof in Right of Great Britain, a province, or municipality:
================================================== ==========
Only use this as a template to work out your "own understanding" - if you do not understand a part......research it so you do.
You may not want to claim, or agree, the same rights as the author so change it to what you require.
Part of this is the fee schedule - which should reflect the value you place on your time being stolen from you by actions taken by policing bodies. In this example I have put in some arbitrary figures as an example. Another thing to bear in mind is that your fee schedule may become financially irrelevant due to massive inflation (eg Zimbabwe/Weimar republic) so it may be prudent to set your feed schedule values on silver or gold standards.

Have fun and at the first opportunity thank 21stcentury for his work. :)

[wise haven]

Also owltui posted and excellent NOU CR here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44080&page=63

Well worth a look :D

[freedom_thoughts]

Oh my gosh!

Thanks for those peace haven, blimey i've got some reading to do, but I do atleast understand 75% of what is written in those nou's!:cool:

[wise haven]

A word that has been mentioned a few times here in the Freeman on the Land sub forum is Allodial - Here is a definition from Black's Law Dictionary (8th Edition) partial.

allodial, adj. Held in absolute ownership; "The term "alodial" originally had no necessary reference to the mode in which the ownership of land had been conferred; it simply meant land held in absolute ownership, not in dependence upon any other body or person in whom the proprietary rights were supposed to reside, or to whom the possessor of land was bound to render service. It would thus properly apply to the land which in the original settlement had been allotted to individuals, while bookland was primarily applicable to land the title to which rested on a formal grant. Before long, however, the words appear to have been used synonymously to express land held in absolute ownership, the subject of free disposition - inter vivos - or by will"

[pinkgrapefruit]

Hello all...
I've been reading all your posts on this thread as I am looking into un-registering my car too.

If you built your own car, then I understand that you are under no obligation to register it. Is this correct?

So, if you scrap a car, and inform the DVLA that it is scrapped. Surely you can then remove all ID tags from the chassis and engine etc. Is this correct?

If the above are correct, can I then take my 'scrapped' car apart and rebuild it, effectively building a new car?

It seems too simple to me, what have I missed?

[pleasuredome]

Hello all...
I've been reading all your posts on this thread as I am looking into un-registering my car too.

If you built your own car, then I understand that you are under no obligation to register it. Is this correct?

So, if you scrap a car, and inform the DVLA that it is scrapped. Surely you can then remove all ID tags from the chassis and engine etc. Is this correct?

If the above are correct, can I then take my 'scrapped' car apart and rebuild it, effectively building a new car?

It seems too simple to me, what have I missed?

i think its possible to do that. it would be great if someone tried it out. ive chosen to go down the route of using notices as it seems more interesting to me to do it that way.

[miked]

Hi all

I am about to deregister my own automobile. I will be sending a copy of my notices aswell as a covering letter and 'CANCELLED' log book. If you are no longer part of their corporation you will not appear on their register, owner, keeper or otherwise! (In theory!!! lol)

I will not be removing my VIN numbers, mainly because I can't be arsed (evenn though I am a mechanic!). If you cancel the regitration, keep a copy, along with your notices, in the car at all times.

The next key step will be informing my local police as it is better for them to find out what I am doing this way, rather than when they pull me for having no registration etc.

Just remember, no one will give up ower without a fight, you must be ready.

Patience will be your greatest tool!

Love to u all

Mike D

[ringing_freedom]

Great to see others making progress on this.

I have constructed a NOUI and COR for the DVLA, claiming allodial title and de-registering it. I assume this is the same route you are taking?

Have you had success finding a notary to notarize your CORs? That's the stumbling block I am up against.

Also - do you have a bond in place to cover your unlimited liability as a Freeman because insurance may no longer be valid and/or appropriate for a freeman?

James

[wise haven]

Great to see others making progress on this.

I have constructed a NOUI and COR for the DVLA, claiming allodial title and de-registering it. I assume this is the same route you are taking?

Have you had success finding a notary to notarize your CORs? That's the stumbling block I am up against.

Also - do you have a bond in place to cover your unlimited liability as a Freeman because insurance may no longer be valid and/or appropriate for a freeman?

James


Insurance - You either have to drive very carefully or register a security (£500,000)in the UK - one of the things the World Freeman Society is addressing.
Personally I would have third party insurance - for moral reasons.....if you hurt or damage another road user it is only right and fair to compensate them. You should be able to get third party insurance but the premium will be high.

Notaries - This is proving difficult in the UK at the moment, but you should be able to find a solicitors practice that has a "comissioner for oaths" who can fulfill the same function (witnessing your affidavit/notice)Costs 5 or 6 quid per document with 75 pence or thereabouts per copy.......the last time I checked.

[miked]

Hi All

I have just spoke to my local notary about my claim of right. He has told me that this is not what notaries are for and that they only deal with documents you are sending ABROAD!! I am very confused!

Does anyone have any info on what a notary can do?

Mike

[ringing_freedom]

Thanks Wise Haven. I have spoken to a few insurance companies, and the main concensus seems to be that they would not insure a vehicle that is not registered with the DVLA - although they are unable to really say why.

Incidentally, I believe that you may have some difficulty 'applying' for insurance that wasn't in a straw-man fiction name. Therefore falling back into the jurisdiction of commerce.

I recognise the requirement to have a security in place, and was wondering if 'Miked' had considered this and/or had a way around it we hadn't considered.

My tax/MOT/Insurance run out at the end of this month - like, err...tomorrow! LOL So, I am in a hurry to get this sorted.

I think I'm going to de-register my car, and not use it until I have my bond in place.

[freedom_thoughts]

My tax/MOT/Insurance run out at the end of this month - like, err...tomorrow! LOL So, I am in a hurry to get this sorted.



Yeah my tax and mot run out at the begining of March, and I have considered not renewing them as I am off to europe to do some seasonal work for 6 months and will either sell or trash the vehicle, but I can't risk the revenue officers taking my vehicle off me as it is my only means of getting to work and earning money that will get me to europe! :(

[pleasuredome]

put my own plates on my car this evening

sent off a copy of the estoppel to dvla with the V5 that has "cancelled" written in red marker across it.

have sent copies to the traffic police unit offering them opportunity for lawful objection.

:cool:

[freedom_thoughts]

put my own plates on my car this evening

sent off a copy of the estoppel to dvla with the V5 that has "cancelled" written in red marker across it.

have sent copies to the traffic police unit offering them opportunity for lawful objection.

:cool:

Nice one!!

Any chance of a pic of yer plates??

Keep us all posted of any 'occurences' !!:cool:

[bones]

Thanks Wise Haven. I have spoken to a few insurance companies, and the main concensus seems to be that they would not insure a vehicle that is not registered with the DVLA - although they are unable to really say why.

Incidentally, I believe that you may have some difficulty 'applying' for insurance that wasn't in a straw-man fiction name. Therefore falling back into the jurisdiction of commerce.

I recognise the requirement to have a security in place, and was wondering if 'Miked' had considered this and/or had a way around it we hadn't considered.

My tax/MOT/Insurance run out at the end of this month - like, err...tomorrow! LOL So, I am in a hurry to get this sorted.

I think I'm going to de-register my car, and not use it until I have my bond in place.

you could a4v you birth cert informing the treasury that you are taking controll of your bond and using that as your insurance, this i believe is the ucc1 finincial statment with a security interest.

im a little unsure as to the process but thinkfreeforums might have the anwsers there.

[pleasuredome]

you could a4v you birth cert informing the treasury that you are taking controll of your bond and using that as your insurance, this i believe is the ucc1 finincial statment with a security interest.

im a little unsure as to the process but thinkfreeforums might have the anwsers there.

imo, lets say i had an accident with another car and it was my fault. the third party insurance co would send estimate the cost of repairs or cost of write off, send me the bill and i would A4V it. you're insured with you national INSURANCE. as winston shrout says, anything else is RE-insurance

[pleasuredome]

Nice one!!

Any chance of a pic of yer plates??

Keep us all posted of any 'occurences' !!:cool:

i'd like to but i'd prefer not to advertise the plate numbers. i'll definately keep you posted if anything happens.

[stickwhistler]

i'd like to but i'd prefer not to advertise the plate numbers.

Wise decision. I can easily imagine a lot of cloned plates being fitted
to less honourable persons vehicles.

i'll definately keep you posted if anything happens.
Thanks. Hope it all goes well.

[pleasuredome]

a slightly revised version of my original.

NOTICE OF UNDERSTANDING AND CLAIM OF RIGHT


I ...... ....... of The family ....., do solemnly and sincerely declare that,

it is my understanding that any right that you may claim over my car is through my consent.

and it is my understanding that any statute by which you may claim to use to back any claim you may make on my car can only be valid if i consent to those statutes.

and it is my understanding that my purchase of my car, my possession of it, my upkeep and maintanence of it, proves that i am the lawful owner and have sole claim to it.

and it is my understanding that any claim that you have over myself to control whatever form of conveyance i may choose to operate on the roads and highways of my country is only done with my consent

and it is my understanding that any statute by which you may claim to use to back any claim you may make to control whatever form of conveyance i may choose to operate on the roads and highways of my country is only done so with my consent.


and it is my understanding that if you claim title to my car then you only do so with my consent.

I hereby serve notice and state clearly specifically and unequivocally that, under the common law of England, of which Her Majesty Queen Elizibeth II has sworn oath to protect, i make claim to what is rightly, justly and lawfully mine.

i claim full rights, title and lawfull ownership of of any form of conveyance in my possession and the use of it on roads and highways of my country or on private land.

i claim that any consent which may have been either expressed or implied by myself or my person in regard to or relation of operating any form of conveyance on the roads and highways of my country is withdrawn.

i claim that any registrations or licences with the dvla are now void.

i claim it is my lawful right to travel and use any form of conveyance on roads and highways of my country so long as i act with care and responsibilty to any third parties.

I claim my FEE SCHEDULE in regard to my lawful right to freely travel on the roads and highways of my country for any transgressions by police officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants is FIVE HUNDRED GB POUNDS PER HOUR if and from the moment on being stopped (with the exception of being stopped by the police to ascertain if the conveyance has been stolen), questioned, interrogated or in any way detained, harassed or otherwise regulated and FIVE THOUSAND GB POUNDS PER HOUR if and from the moment I am handcuffed, transported, incarcerated or subjected to any adjudication process without my express written and notarised consent. Also if violence be done to either me or those under my care and protection, or damage of loss to my privately owned, borrowed or hired conveyance the fee shall be FIFTEEN THOUSAND GB POUNDS in addition to any compensation that may be awarded.

I claim the right to convene a proper court de jure in order to address any potentially criminal actions of any police officers, government officials, principals or agents or justice system participants who, having been served notice of this claim fail to dispute or discuss or make lawful counterclaim and then interfere by act or omission with the lawful exercise of properly claimed and established rights and freedoms.

I claim the right to deal with any counterclaims or disputes publicly and in an open forum using discussion and negotiation and to capture both video and audio evidence of said discussion and negotiation for whatever lawful purpose as I see fit.

Affected parties wishing to dispute the claims made herein, or make their own counterclaims must respond appropriately within TEN (10) days of service of notice of this action. Responses must be under Oath or attestation, upon fullcommercial liability and penalty of perjury and received via registered mail to:



no later than TEN (10) days from the date of original service as dated by way of Royal Mail recorded delivery service.

Failure to register a dispute against the claims made herein will result in an automatic default judgement and permanent and irrevocable estoppels by acquiescence barring the bringing of charges under any statute, act or regulation against myself, ..... ...... of the family ....... for exercising these lawful and properly established rights, freedoms and duties.

[girlgye]

Maybe permantley export the car to your local common Uban land? With the other freeman on the land having paid into a pool of I think 1 million pounds sterling to cover any claims for liability by third parties. Thus negating the need for an insurance policy underwritten by Lloyds of London.

.


Is this true?

[madbomberjones]

I have included the link to the ROAD TRAFFIC ACT 1988 C52 PART VI THIRD-PARTY LIABILITIES because it contains some interesting information highlighted below in BOLD that pretty much says it all about jurisdiction! Mateys, pieces of eight, pieces of eight, ahoy there LAND LOVERS!
In that case I have salvaged my "Person" which was abondoned by the state, my strawman a "vessel in distress" since 2001, I was told I was too ill to work, but not provided for by the state, so I salvaged my Person and became self sufficient from that date, until present day. :)

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_12#pt6-pb1-l1g144

144 Exceptions from requirement of third-party insurance or security

(1) Section 143 of this Act does not apply to a vehicle owned by a person who has deposited and keeps deposited with the Accountant General of the Supreme Court the sum of £15,000, at a time when the vehicle is being driven under the owner’s control.

(2) Section 143 does not apply—

(a) to a vehicle owned—

(i) by the council of a county or county district in England and Wales, the Common Council of the City of London, the council of a London borough, the Inner London Education Authority, or a joint authority (other than a police authority) established by Part IV of the [1985 c. 51.] Local Government Act 1985,

(ii) by a regional, islands or district council in Scotland, or

(iii) by a joint board or committee in England or Wales, or joint committee in Scotland, which is so constituted as to include among its members representatives of any such council,

at a time when the vehicle is being driven under the owner’s control,

(b) to a vehicle owned by a police authority or the Receiver for the Metropolitan Police district, at a time when it is being driven under the owner’s control, or to a vehicle at a time when it is being driven for police purposes by or under the direction of a constable, or by a person employed by a police authority, or employed by the Receiver, or

(c) to a vehicle at a time when it is being driven on a journey to or from any place undertaken for salvage purposes pursuant to Part IX of the [1894 c. 60.] Merchant Shipping Act 1894,

(d) to the use of a vehicle for the purpose of its being provided in pursuance of a direction under section 166(2)(b) of the [1955 c. 18.] Army Act 1955 or under the corresponding provision of the [1955 c. 19.] Air Force Act 1955,

(e) to a vehicle which is made available by the Secretary of State to any person, body or local authority in pursuance of section 23 or 26 of the [1977 c. 49.] National Health Service Act 1977 at a time when it is being used in accordance with the terms on which it is so made available,

(f) to a vehicle which is made available by the Secretary of State to any local authority, education authority or voluntary organisation in Scotland in pursuance of section 15 or 16 of the [1978 c. 29.] National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978 at a time when it is being used in accordance with the terms on which it is so made available.

Below is the ROAD TRAFFIC ACT 1991 ref increase in fee, its probably updated since, I believe its present form has now become the "ROAD SAFETY ACT 2006"

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1991/ukpga_19910040_en_3#pt1-pb8-l1g20

[yozhik]

imo, lets say i had an accident with another car and it was my fault. the third party insurance co would send estimate the cost of repairs or cost of write off, send me the bill and i would A4V it. you're insured with you national INSURANCE. as winston shrout says, anything else is RE-insurance

An answer to the insurance riddle is given in the post, linked below.
Looks like a very promising alternative. :)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=863930&postcount=9

[girlgye]

Someone might want to check whether insurance puts you into admiralty contract. Afterall, the terms and conditions are a contract and those itsy bitsy words may come up and bite you where you don't expect.

[makeithappen]

(1) Section 143 of this Act does not apply to a vehicle owned by a person who has deposited and keeps deposited with the Accountant General of the Supreme Court the sum of £15,000, at a time when the vehicle is being driven under the owner’s control.

[/url]


Just emailed enquiries@courtfunds.gsi.gov.uk asking the following.

Greetings,

I am MIH and I would like your help in establishing the process
that allows my person to deposit and keep deposited a sum of £15k with
the Accountant General of the Supreme Court.

I have searched your web site and I am not able to find the process I
need to follow. Any guidance you are able to offer me with this I will
be so grateful. If you would be able to confirm how the sum would be
able to be paid that will also be a great help. I am wondering would
you issue a bill and I would in turn paid said bill?
Would you accept a bond for the sum?

Have the most amazing day and remember life is just a game, play hard
and have the best time ever, every day!

MIH:
WITHOUT PREJUDICE, i.e. all Natural Inalienable Rights Reserved

lets see what happens!

[number_6]

Just emailed enquiries@courtfunds.gsi.gov.uk asking the following.

Greetings,

I am MIH and I would like your help in establishing the process
that allows my person to deposit and keep deposited a sum of £15k with
the Accountant General of the Supreme Court.

I have searched your web site and I am not able to find the process I
need to follow. Any guidance you are able to offer me with this I will
be so grateful. If you would be able to confirm how the sum would be
able to be paid that will also be a great help. I am wondering would
you issue a bill and I would in turn paid said bill?
Would you accept a bond for the sum?

Have the most amazing day and remember life is just a game, play hard
and have the best time ever, every day!

MIH:
WITHOUT PREJUDICE, i.e. all Natural Inalienable Rights Reserved

lets see what happens!

I think you will find that The £15,000 was increased to £500,000 in 1991.

20 Exception from requirement of third-party insurance (1) Section 144 of the [1988 c. 52.] Road Traffic Act 1988 shall be amended as follows.
(2) In subsection (1) (which removes the requirement for third-party insurance or security where £15,000 is kept deposited with the Accountant General of the Supreme Court) for “£15,000” there shall be substituted “£500,000”.

[makeithappen]

indeed you are correct.

In subsection (1) (which removes the requirement for third-party insurance or security where £15,000 is kept deposited with the Accountant General of the Supreme Court) for “£15,000” there shall be substituted “£500,000”.

If this works out as I see at the moment, my bond will cover it nicely.

We shall just have to see.

[tien an]

I've just spent an hour looking for exactly that info... I knew I'd seen it somewhere on their site.

any chance of a link, number_6?

(never mind...just seen it)

[merlincove]

Most home insurance policy's will have personal liability insurance included which will cover you upto £1 million pounds. Don't take my word for it, check it for yourself before you leave yourself liable. I would expect that even a Freeman would want to have his home covered in case of fire or theft etc. So would of taken out a suitable policy which contains cover for your possessions, even when away from the home. I would include your mode of transport under this. As long as you word it so as to not disqualify it from the policy itself. Most policy's cover your property as long as another policy is not in force at the time of any loss being incurred. So a good home insurance policy is in my opinion all that is needed to cover the various family members listed as living with you.

great link ian :cool:

i think a private policy containing carefully worded cover for your possesions away from home and including your mode of transport is a must.

i will speak to my insurance and see how it is poss to insure a none registered vehicle, ie motorcycle. i'm sure that farm vehicles that are not registered are able to use the roads (altho the travel distance is, i think, limited to Y miles per year) and would need therefore to be insured?

[merlincove]

its probably to do with how old the cars are. i guess you could inform the dvla that the car is scrapped, remove the vin and reg plates. then there is no proof that the car was the previously registered vehicle. there is no law that says a car must have a vin plate. its for their use, not yours.

someone could ask "how can u prove its not stolen?" well, how can anyone prove that it is stolen?

issue with bikes is that the vin is stamped onto the chasis / frame and would need to be ground off, eng number also is stamped into the crank case. So, personally i would leave them on. But in the case of removal, yeah, it is up to the police to prove the vehicle is stolen and not up to you / us to prove that it wasn't. The onus is for them to provide guilt and not for us to provide innocence.

Personally i would:

A) apply for a duplicate log book from dvla before doing anything, it'll cost a few quid but might well be worth it.

B) Once a duplicate is recieved i would send the licence / regestration plate(s) and the original v5 back to dvla with cancelled written in red ink across it. This nullifies any value of the replacement v5 but..

D) create and afix my own plate to the vehicle and inform the dvla the new 'identification' mark, police etc with nou..

C) carry with me the notice of intent, as sent to police etc, witnessed, a copy of the relevant right to travel unhindered along with the replacement v5 showing the shasis / frame & engine numbers and last keeper (me) along with my licence and required insurance cert and if poss garge saftey cert - such can be fitted into a small envelope in my pocket.

In the event of being stopped you ahve all the relevant info to hand to advise the BIB's what is what without them having to go searching or assertaining the vehicles status as stolen etc. Anbd they have first hand appraishal of the fee schedule and therefore agree to its value if they want to cart you / your vehicle off.

In this way you are being as open and genuine as possable.

[girlgye]

As you as you display your licence, Mot, road tax. It is taken away from you and you willingly went into contract.

I've just done it. You either go down the route of unregistering from admiralty claiming your sovereignty or you take the CR route.

[merlincove]

As you as you display your licence, Mot, road tax. It is taken away from you and you willingly went into contract.

I've just done it. You either go down the route of unregistering from admiralty claiming your sovereignty or you take the CR route.

hmm, yeah, would be entering into a contract with showing the original docs, good point - more thinking involved :eek:

[dondaz]

Come visit Birmingham on the 3rd May and see pleasuredome talk about how he de-registered it himself, as he is speaking himself about this subject:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/Birmingham-Freeman-Conferen.jpg

[merlincove]

put my own plates on my car this evening

sent off a copy of the estoppel to dvla with the V5 that has "cancelled" written in red marker across it.

have sent copies to the traffic police unit offering them opportunity for lawful objection.

:cool:

i know the attachment is very similar to yours pleasuredome, as i thought it made a good template, but how does this sound for starters, am i laboring any points? Still in the dressing it up stage...

My Notice of Understanding of Intent
and Claim of Right

I **** **** of The family *****,

Do hereby solemnly and sincerely give notice to all relevant parties that:

it is in my understanding that any right that you, the DVLA, may claim over my private motor cycle known to you as ”*** ***” is only given by my sole consent

and it is in my understanding that any right that you may claim over the aforementioned mode of transport which is under my ownership through the sale and transfer of goods is done so by my consent

and it is in my understanding that any act of legislation or statute which you may claim to use to attend any claim of right of the aforementioned motor cycle is only valid if I consent to those legislative acts and statutes

and it is in my understanding that my ownership through the sale and transfer of goods equates to sole and absolute ownership of said goods

and it is in my understanding that my purchase of my motor cycle known to you as “*** ***” and my possession of it and my upkeep and maintenance of it equates to sole ownership of it

and it is in my understanding that such ownership is not unlawful in any way

and it is in my understanding that any claim to my motor cycle as its true and rightful and sole owner is mine absolute

and it is in my understanding that under right of common law as a flesh and blood man and blessed soul serving God alone I have unequivocal right to free and unhindered travel across the land of my Sovereign Queen Elizabeth 11

and it is in my understanding that any claim that you have over myself as a flesh and blood man serving God alone to control whatever form of conveyance or transportation to uphold my God given right of free travel over and across the highways, roads, footpaths and bridleways and any other right of way of my country is done so only with my consent

and it is in my understanding that any act of legislation or statute by which you may claim to govern or control my movement or to control whatever form of conveyance I may choose to catalyse my movement over and across the highways, roads, footpaths and bridleways and any other right of way of my country is applied only through my consent

and it is in my understanding that I do not need to seek nor ask for permission to engage in lawful and peaceful activities in respect of my own peaceful and lawful, unhindered and free movement across the land of my country

and it is in my understanding that if you, the DVLA or any of your representatives or officers claim title or right or lay any claim to my mode of conveyance then you do so only with my sole consent

I hereby serve absolute and unequivocal notice and state specifically and that under the common law of England, of which Her Majesty the Sovereign Queen Elizabeth 11 has sworn oath to uphold and protect I make unconditional claim to my lawful rights of common law and to what is rightfully and justly and lawfully mine

I hereby claim full rights of any form of conveyance in my possession and the full and unhindered use of such conveyance as a mode of transport for my movement over and across the highways, roads, footpaths and bridleways and any other right of way of my country

I hereby claim full title of any form of the motor cycle known to you as “*** ***” which is in my possession and the full and unhindered use of such conveyance as a mode of transport for my movement over and across the highways, roads, footpaths and bridleways and any other right of way of my country

I hereby claim full and lawful ownership of the motor cycle known to you as “*** ***” which is in my possession and the full and unhindered use of such conveyance as a mode of transport for my movement over and across the highways, roads, footpaths and bridleways and any other right of way of my country

I hereby withdraw any and all previous consent which may have been expressed or implied by myself or my person in respect and regard to my self under regulation of statute with relation to the operation of the aforementioned conveyance upon the highways, roads, footpaths and bridleways and any other right of way of my country

I hereby claim that any registration documents or licences relating to my motor cycle which this notice pertains to and which are held by the DVLA are now void

And whereas it is my understanding that the V5 log book and registration mark of vehicles used upon the land of England are the property of the corporation of Driver Vehicle Licensing Centre (DVLA) I hereby return such documentation to the DVLA and declare that such documentation and registration document is now void

I hereby deny the DVLA any claim of ownership to the motorcycle that this notice pertains to, now and in the future and for always

I hereby assert a full and rightful ownership of the mark “FM ***” as a vehicle identification mark attached to the aforementioned vehicle to which this notice pertains and declare that its use shall come under my sole jurisdiction where it is used solely on the conveyance to which this notice pertains and deny all other persons the use of this mark now, in the future and for always

I hereby claim that the DVLA nor their agents nor their officers nor any other officer, has any lawful right of ownership to the vehicle mark “FM ***” without my prior written and witnessed consent and that any use of it by any other third party is done so without my prior consent in writing

I hereby claim that the DVLA nor their agents nor their officers nor any other officer has any lawful right of ownership to the vehicle that this notice pertains without my prior written and witnessed consent.

I hereby claim that it is my lawful right to travel and use any form of conveyance upon the queens highways, byways, footpaths, road ways and bridle ways freely and without licence or hindrance under common law so long as I act with care and responsibility and with due respect to third parties

I claim my FEE SCHEDULE for any transgression or interference by police officers, government principles, DVLA officials, agents or justice system officers and any other participants who claim to represent legal bodies, companies, corporations or other fictions in hindrance to the regard to my lawful right to travel and move freely on the roads and highways of my country under common law is
FIVE HUNDRED GB POUNDS PER HOUR occurring from the moment of being stopped, questioned, interrogated, detained, harassed or otherwise regulated and
FIVE THOUSAND GB POUNDS PER HOUR AND EVERY HOUR AND PART HOUR THERAFTER occurring from the moment I am handled, handcuffed, transported, incarcerated or subjected to any and all adjudication processes where such is done against my will and without express written and witnessed consent.

Also if I or any party that I am travelling with suffer threat or violence or threat of violence, or in the occurrence of damage, loss or removal of my privately owned conveyance the FEE shall be no less than
FIFTY THOUSAND GB POUNDS and is paid in addition to any compensation that may be sought.

:cool:

constructive criticism or otherwise welcome :-)

[torchwood]

after you go through all that process with DVLA , why the hell would you now want to tell them what private unregistered number plate you are using , simply for them to pump your name and number back into the system to help the policy enforcers

give them nothing of yourself and your private vehicle you are free and no man or corporation has dominion over you




Paul:eek:

[pleasuredome]

"and it is in my understanding that under right of common law as a flesh and blood man and blessed soul serving God alone I have unequivocal right to free and unhindered travel across the land of my Sovereign Queen Elizabeth 11"

looks pretty good, however the above is a contradiction. are you sure you want to put "...the land of my Sovereign Queen Elizabeth 11"?

[crystaljunkie]

could be simpler too :rolleyes:

[hunter77]

just wonderd where you would stand if your vehicle was involved in an accident, or killed someone through a unchecked mechanical fault, as an unregisterd car would be unable to have an m-o-t. not trying to throw a spanner in the works just curious:)

[freemanpete]

What would be the consequences if someone had previously claimed the reg number you choose to use under common law?

No REG. REGISTRATION. It is an ID plate.

[smoke n mirrors]

"and it is in my understanding that under right of common law as a flesh and blood man and blessed soul serving God alone I have unequivocal right to free and unhindered travel across the land of my Sovereign Queen Elizabeth 11"

looks pretty good, however the above is a contradiction. are you sure you want to put "...the land of my Sovereign Queen Elizabeth 11"?

would the addition of BIRTH help matters? ...right to free and unhindered travel across the land of my birth

[freemanpete]

just wonderd where you would stand if your vehicle was involved in an accident, or killed someone through a unchecked mechanical fault, as an unregisterd car would be unable to have an m-o-t. not trying to throw a spanner in the works just curious:)

Good question and worthy of an honest answer.
Firstly, lets get to grips with what we are talking about here ok?
The Common law right to travel, and the unalienable rights we have anyway.
So, Drive or Travel?
A Driver is a Person who is paid to move goods.
Are you being paid to Drive? Are you a Driver? Is the word DRIVER confusing in anyway.
In English, we think a DRIVER is a Person in control of a motor vehicle. Hmmm. Lets ponder for a while here and take it in. Suck it up, all the way.
So, is the Land Transport Act (I am in New Zealand, UK may be called something else) written in English?
It reads a bit like English, but we all know it is LEGALESE right?
Anyone not know the LAW is written in LEGALESE?
OK.
So, a Driver, legally speaking is a COMMERCIALLY underway. Paid to move goods. A Taxi Driver, Coach Driver, Train Driver. Look it up. Get a legal dictionary.
DRIVER. One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other
vehicle, with horses, mules, or other animals.
A Drivers LICENSE is what exactly?
Well a Driver is a Commercial entity and a License?
LICENSE: An authority given by one of two belligerent
parties, to the citizens or subjects of the other, to carry on a specified
trade.
Trade again. So are we all acting in COMMERCE?

Now, since we have established now that we are not COMMERCIAL as nobody is paying us to DRIVE, lets tale a look at what we are actually doing?
Travelling in a what?
Motor Vehicle?
Motor vehicle—
(a) Means a vehicle drawn or propelled by mechanical power; and


Now is the thing you are traveling in MECHANICALLY POWERED?
And if so, can you justify going into the Middle East and murdering 1.6 MILLION men, women and children to steal OIL?
Is a Steam train Steam Powered or Mechanically Powered?
Is your wrist watch powered by mechanics, or a spring? By a circuit board or battery?

Submit or Submission means to bend to a higher authority.
Application means to BEG.
Registration means to abandon ownership for partial ownership.

So you acknowledged your MASTERS, and BEGGED accordingly as is the protocol of a SLAVE and abandoned OWNERSHIP (Slaves cannot own anything) of what was once yours.

Are we OBLIGED by law to BEG?

Now Insurance.
What do you think NATIONAL INSURANCE IS EXACTLY?
You have an account number. Its called NATIONAL INSURANCE. They take money from you just like any other insurance company would do.
Ever heard of the SECURITY OF THE PERSON?

An Act is part of LEGISLATION.
A Rule of Society or a Corporation, given the force of law through the CONSENT of the Governed.

Peace eh?

[merlincove]

after you go through all that process with DVLA , why the hell would you now want to tell them what private unregistered number plate you are using , simply for them to pump your name and number back into the system to help the policy enforcers

give them nothing of yourself and your private vehicle you are free and no man or corporation has dominion over you

Paul:eek:

Ah, see what you mean there torchwood. i just see that someone somewhere will eventualy stop said conveyance and have a good look over it, and relevant details'll get punched into a computer and the log made - i thought i'd save them the hassle, but you're right, why do their job for them, the ID is a personal thing that i can change at any time, right, so don't give them nothing, will change the Notice accordingly - thanks.

Sometimes the most obvious things are the hardset to spot.

"and it is in my understanding that under right of common law as a flesh and blood man and blessed soul serving God alone I have unequivocal right to free and unhindered travel across the land of my Sovereign Queen Elizabeth 11"

looks pretty good, however the above is a contradiction. are you sure you want to put "...the land of my Sovereign Queen Elizabeth 11"?

Pleasuredome thanks for your reply, yeah i see the contradiction now, will delete the final part and sub 'land of my birth' or similar... also may have repeated a paragraph or so, so a little more 'fiddling' lol

looking forward to hearing you speak in Birmingham, the more info the stronmger the arm :cool:

Freemanpete a very concise reply :D

i def need to get hold of a blacks law and perhaps a book on common law also as i'd like to include the relevant paragraphs etc to the 'right to travel freely' in the Notice.

i know the blacks law books are expensive, is there a definative edition (i think i read in another thread sometime ago that ed 3 or 4 were the best?)

Is there an oxford equivalent to blacks law, does anyone know of an oxford common law edition?

Have googled law books and am perhaps more confused now as to which one to get lol....

thanks for the encouragement

looking at public liability ins to cover none reg vehicles and also national insurance


Peace eh?

Peace indeed ;)

[pleasuredome]

Pleasuredome thanks for your reply, yeah i see the contradiction now, will delete the final part and sub 'land of my birth' or similar... also may have repeated a paragraph or so, so a little more 'fiddling' lol

looking forward to hearing you speak in Birmingham, the more info the stronmger the arm :cool:

cheers mate. dont use the word "birth". just put "my land". it is your land isnt it?

[girlgye]

would the addition of BIRTH help matters? ...right to free and unhindered travel across the land of my birth

mute point but one so easily overlooked Birth is admiralty. Admit birth you admit you dock in their port. See how easy it easy to contract.

[girlgye]

after you go through all that process with DVLA , why the hell would you now want to tell them what private unregistered number plate you are using , simply for them to pump your name and number back into the system to help the policy enforcers

give them nothing of yourself and your private vehicle you are free and no man or corporation has dominion over you




Paul:eek:

Then what do you do about the fact that they stop you every five minutes in your untaxed uninsured, unlicensed vehicle? The fact that you Notice the main moosh isn't going to cut it either. You need to say in your notice here it is 'private' on the land. NOW LEAVE ME ALONE.

You don't think the fact that you Notice the main moosh isn't going to get your vehicle recognized. In case you didn't notice, the only way to live off the grid is to not have a vehicle. Given there are cameras every where I don't see how anyone can live 'off the grid'. I'm assuming this is what you are proposing here.

[hunter77]

Good question and worthy of an honest answer.
Firstly, lets get to grips with what we are talking about here ok?
The Common law right to travel, and the unalienable rights we have anyway.
So, Drive or Travel?
A Driver is a Person who is paid to move goods.
Are you being paid to Drive? Are you a Driver? Is the word DRIVER confusing in anyway.
In English, we think a DRIVER is a Person in control of a motor vehicle. Hmmm. Lets ponder for a while here and take it in. Suck it up, all the way.
So, is the Land Transport Act (I am in New Zealand, UK may be called something else) written in English?
It reads a bit like English, but we all know it is LEGALESE right?
Anyone not know the LAW is written in LEGALESE?
OK.
So, a Driver, legally speaking is a COMMERCIALLY underway. Paid to move goods. A Taxi Driver, Coach Driver, Train Driver. Look it up. Get a legal dictionary.
DRIVER. One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other
vehicle, with horses, mules, or other animals.
A Drivers LICENSE is what exactly?
Well a Driver is a Commercial entity and a License?
LICENSE: An authority given by one of two belligerent
parties, to the citizens or subjects of the other, to carry on a specified
trade.
Trade again. So are we all acting in COMMERCE?

Now, since we have established now that we are not COMMERCIAL as nobody is paying us to DRIVE, lets tale a look at what we are actually doing?
Travelling in a what?
Motor Vehicle?
Motor vehicle—
(a) Means a vehicle drawn or propelled by mechanical power; and


Now is the thing you are traveling in MECHANICALLY POWERED?
And if so, can you justify going into the Middle East and murdering 1.6 MILLION men, women and children to steal OIL?
Is a Steam train Steam Powered or Mechanically Powered?
Is your wrist watch powered by mechanics, or a spring? By a circuit board or battery?

Submit or Submission means to bend to a higher authority.
Application means to BEG.
Registration means to abandon ownership for partial ownership.

So you acknowledged your MASTERS, and BEGGED accordingly as is the protocol of a SLAVE and abandoned OWNERSHIP (Slaves cannot own anything) of what was once yours.

Are we OBLIGED by law to BEG?

Now Insurance.
What do you think NATIONAL INSURANCE IS EXACTLY?
You have an account number. Its called NATIONAL INSURANCE. They take money from you just like any other insurance company would do.
Ever heard of the SECURITY OF THE PERSON?

An Act is part of LEGISLATION.
A Rule of Society or a Corporation, given the force of law through the CONSENT of the Governed.

Peace eh?

thanks for the reply much appreciated, but it still does not answer the question of an m-o-t test, does any one else know about this, many:) thanks

[pdcdp]

oh god... i swore i was giving this site up.... am only back for today and then i'm back to studying!

if you don't want to accept liability for your actions, don't expect to use your 'car' privately without losing your public limited liability insurance (unless you've done a hell of a lot of administrative process and letter writing). common law is about property, and the rules can be pretty harsh, "you break it, you buy it, for triple its value, and pay immediately..."

it took me about 14 letters over 6 weeks, to 5 different people, and one lovely visit to the cop shop! you will most probably get pulled once but if you know your stuff and act properly the law will eventually play fair (in my experience). i suspect the opposite is also true, which is why i currently respect the police force more than the general intent of this board. maybe not dvla though....:p

you've no need to 'become a freeman' if you know your stuff and act accordingly. determine what you want and study the laws that affect it, don't look for quick answers if you don't know how to find them out for yourself!

say it together- 1...2...3... "I am King of my own Land"

p.s. why place your own indemnity? why change the present number on your 'vehicle'? why put your faith in a single notice when you can have so much fun hassling dvla reps?

[madbomberjones]

I posted this elsewhere, but thought id chuck my two pence in here as well. My method:

I have de registered my car with the DVLA, I sent them a Notice. They replied and sent something to my home; it was in turn re-posted to me in jail, but never arrived, so as far as I am concerned irrelevant.
My intentions to de-register my car was added to my NOUICOR, which I served on her Majesty, knowing full well that I would not get a reply, therefore everything contained within my NOUICOR is agreed upon by automatic default judgement and permanent and irrevocable estoppels by acquiescence.
The reason for my serving my NOUICOR on the Queen, well for one, I know I will not get a reply, therefore guaranteeing estoppels by acquiescence! Sneaky Sneaky I thinks you will agree!
Also every law passed by parliament has a final stage before it becomes law (Rule of society) and that is Royal Assent. Parliament has engaged in using automatic Royal Assent for decades, basically not even forwarding their proposed laws to the Queen for approval, just making up their BS statutes and rubber stamping them in her absence.
I on the other hand, have decided to send one NOUICOR straight to the organ grinder herself, therefore cutting out all the office monkeys etc. After all, ALL the monkeys either swear allegiance or swear to serve the organ grinder don’t they? And didn’t we all send our Affidavits to her Madge? Why not our NOUICORS?

I have not been pulled in my car yet, but when it finally happens, I will whip out a copy of my de-registration notice to the DVLA,
Then a copy of the “cuntstables oath”, highlighting the part where it says
“I . . . . . of . . . . . do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable”
And finally I will whip out a copy of my NOUICOR wherein includes de-registration of my car.
Added to the end of my NOUICOR copy, carried in my car at all times is the following:
"This Notice of Intent and Claim of Right is a copy of the original served upon HM Queen Elizabeth II on the 24th of February 2009 and agreed upon by automatic default judgement and permanent and irrevocable estoppels by acquiescence. RMBC: DW726332534GB"
I would then tell the police officer that if the Queen does not contest my NOUICOR, then she accepts it as law, and as he has sworn to serve the Queen in the office of Cuntstable, unless he too accepts it as law, he is breaking his oath of office! If Queeny says I can, who is he to say I can’t?

SIMPLES! Now for some humour!


The Pope Drives the Limo!
After getting all of Pope Benedict's luggage loaded into
The limo, and He doesn't travel light, the driver notices
That the Pope is still standing on the curb
'Excuse me, Your Holiness,' says the driver,
'Would you please take your seat so we can leave?'
'Well, to tell you the truth,' says the Pope, 'they never let me drive
At the Vatican and I'd really like to drive today.'
'I'm sorry but I cannot let you do that. I'd lose my job!
And what if something should happen?' protests the driver, wishing he'd
Never gone to work that morning.
'There might be something extra in it for you,' says
The Pope.
Reluctantly, the driver gets in the back as the Pope climbs in behind
The wheel. The driver quickly regrets his decision when, after exiting
The airport, the Pontiff floors it, accelerating the limo to 105 mph.
'Please slow down, Your Holiness!!!' pleads the worried driver, but the
Pope keeps the pedal to the metal until they hear sirens. 'Oh, dear God,
I'm gonna lose my license,' moans the driver.
The Pope pulls over and rolls down the window as the cop approaches, but
The cop takes one look at him, goes Back to his motorcycle, and gets on
The radio.
'I need to talk to the Chief,' he says to the dispatcher.
The Chief gets on the radio and the cop tells him that he's stopped a
Limo going a hundred and five.
'So bust him,' says the Chief.
'I don't think we want to do that - he's really important,' said the
Cop.
The Chief exclaimed, 'All the more reason!'
'No, I mean really important,' said the cop.
The Chief then asked, 'Who have you got there, the Mayor?'
Cop: 'Bigger.'
Chief: 'Governor?'
Cop: 'Bigger.'
'Well,' said the Chief, 'Who is it?'
Cop: 'I think it's God!'
Chief: 'What makes you think it's God?'
Cop: 'He's got the f*****g Pope as a chauffeur!'

Peace,
Neil

[nameless]

Loved your 'The Pope Drives the Limo'.

Thanks for the laugh.

[girlgye]

oh god... i swore i was giving this site up.... am only back for today and then i'm back to studying!

if you don't want to accept liability for your actions, don't expect to use your 'car' privately without losing your public limited liability insurance (unless you've done a hell of a lot of administrative process and letter writing). common law is about property, and the rules can be pretty harsh, "you break it, you buy it, for triple its value, and pay immediately..."

it took me about 14 letters over 6 weeks, to 5 different people, and one lovely visit to the cop shop! you will most probably get pulled once but if you know your stuff and act properly the law will eventually play fair (in my experience). i suspect the opposite is also true, which is why i currently respect the police force more than the general intent of this board. maybe not dvla though....:p

you've no need to 'become a freeman' if you know your stuff and act accordingly. determine what you want and study the laws that affect it, don't look for quick answers if you don't know how to find them out for yourself!

say it together- 1...2...3... "I am King of my own Land"

p.s. why place your own indemnity? why change the present number on your 'vehicle'? why put your faith in a single notice when you can have so much fun hassling dvla reps?

Actually I haven't taken the plates off. A. cos I can't be arsed. b. I aven't got the money for new ones. ONce I've informed them it's private what difference does it make?

[merlincove]

Actually I haven't taken the plates off. A. cos I can't be arsed. b. I aven't got the money for new ones. ONce I've informed them it's private what difference does it make?

Bacause dvla own the mark on the plates, when you bought the transportation, you are kinda privalaged to use the affixed mark / registration plate.

The name implies this also, the registration plates are the registration of the vehicle and dvla own the registration, because it is a log of your vehicle on their database.

i informed dvla that i would be putting >edit< on the bike and that i have full and total ownership of that 'mark' while it is on the bike, i also said that i denied any corporate body ownership of that mark as it was my transports name and joinder and said that i did not recognise their implied right or need to include the name on their database.

On the bottom of ther 'name plate' it says: 'this motorised cycle is not recognised as a vehicle by the DVLA and does not exiust within Statute.'

[wildhorse]

On the bottom of ther 'name plate' it says: 'this motorised cycle is not recognised as a vehicle by the DVLA and does not exiust within Statute.'

Yeah I was gunna do something similar on my car where the tax disc used to be, saying "De-Registered - exempt from DVLA Statute Legislation"...ya know for when Community Officers start sniffing and malfunctioning at the loss of a tax disc ;)

I am sending back my license and de-regsitering car this week. I will try and keep it simple and just state that I am taking back full ownership of my automobile for my own private travels, and will keep it in road worthy condition.

Will ring round for 3party de-reg insurance [should be fun :rolleyes:] I know Yozhik is right when he says about NI being there for insurance etc, but I wouldnt mind finding more, for peace of mind and to dispell the myth that this is just about dodging all of the costs & responsibilities of owning a car.

Its funny, I am type of gal who lately had a clean nose lol...now events that seem to be leading me deeper into this before I feel I am totally competent. Its like the universe is shoving me 'There you go Wildhorse, we want you to be free, you found a site of info, now go bloody get on with it!!' :rolleyes:

ok [deep breath] here goes...will write letter(s) tomorrow.

Any advice for giving them back their license etc would be much appreciated :D

how has the de-reg process gone for others btw?

[Ian2day]

I've mentioned before about informing DVLA that you were exporting to Urban common land. Has anyone just tried exporting from the United Kingdom plc to England, Scotland, Ireland or Wales? If something has not been repealed then it is still in force. So if a common law has never been repealed it still stands as law. I thought that was the obvious point of this all. So if you return the dvla logbook along with a NoI claiming that you do not consent to the legislation fo the UK plc. Then the statutes and acts dont stand. The dvla is called an executive ageny of the government. Perhaps some information can be found in that wording used to describe their remit, roles and responsibility's. Thoughts?

[Ian2day]

Yeah I was gunna do something similar on my car where the tax disc used to be, saying "De-Registered - exempt from DVLA Statute Legislation"...ya know for when Community Officers start sniffing and malfunctioning at the loss of a tax disc ;)

I am sending back my license and de-regsitering car this week. I will try and keep it simple and just state that I am taking back full ownership of my automobile for my own private travels, and will keep it in road worthy condition.

Will ring round for 3party de-reg insurance [should be fun :rolleyes:] I know Yozhik is right when he says about NI being there for insurance etc, but I wouldnt mind finding more, for peace of mind and to dispell the myth that this is just about dodging all of the costs & responsibilities of owning a car.

Its funny, I am type of gal who lately had a clean nose lol...now events that seem to be leading me deeper into this before I feel I am totally competent. Its like the universe is shoving me 'There you go Wildhorse, we want you to be free, you found a site of info, now go bloody get on with it!!' :rolleyes:

ok [deep breath] here goes...will write letter(s) tomorrow.

Any advice for giving them back their license etc would be much appreciated :D

how has the de-reg process gone for others btw?

Check your home insurance policy as they usually have your property covered when away from home as long as it is not covered by another policy. There will usually be liability insurance included as well. Dont take my word for it though. Contact them to confirm.

[merlincove]

Yeah I was gunna do something similar on my car where the tax disc used to be, saying "De-Registered - exempt from DVLA Statute Legislation"...ya know for when Community Officers start sniffing and malfunctioning at the loss of a tax disc ;)



They do tend to malfunction yep, it is the traffic wardens who are the worse, because they can not get their head around it at all.

A few days ago i did wonder whether when you park in a restricted parking zone (with the sign that says 1 hour parking, no return within 1 hour etc) are you actually contracting with them to this. As a freeman, existing without statute legislation i don't think you are, although in the same breath you are to a degree contracting. Ok so you have as much right to park there as anyone else, but i do wonder whether there is an agreement via aquiescence when you park.

But anyway we were in matlock bath a few days ago and i had parked and was wondering this very same thing when i spy joe the traffic warder ambling along the row of bikes, and so i smile to myself as he nears my bike.

He comes around to look at the plate, looks all over for a tax disc, comes around and looks at the plate again, a little more carefully - 'this motorised cycle is not recognised as a vehicle by the DVLA and does not exist within Statute.' is writ real small, the plate is no biger than a cigrette packet anyway (hehe) and he looks real close, and then stands up, and from across the road i can see his mental process working. He looks at the next bike, and then back at mine and starts to scan the people near by for a reaction.

And then he starts to write a ticket out, so i went over and we had a chat, he went away with a lot of homework to do :D

i asked him what he was doing and he said that he was writting out a ticket. I asked him how long i had been parked there and he said he didn't know, so i questioned why he was writting out a ticket and he said for not displaying a tax disc, he quoted some act or other. It is nice when they quote acts, because it allows you to inform them that an act of parliament is not real, it is only an act and does not constitute a law. And then they say, ah but it is a law, and then you can tell them that failing to differentiate between a law and a statute is gross negligence of duty and constitutes fraud in common law. They don't like that one, it confuses them. The guy even tried to quote PACE, for some reason (i think he was trully confused at this point), and i asked if he had got a copy of PACE with him and he siad no, so i bluffed him and said unless he had a copy of PACE to prove his point then it did not hold any weight to me not having a tax disc. He was insistant that i needed a tax disc, till i told him that if he affixed a ticket to my ride then i would consider it as littering and would file said ticket in the refuse bin and would not contract with him and nor was i under any contractual agreement with the DVLA to adhere to any statute or act that did not exist within common law - i said that "i denied him any assumed right he felt he had to litter my ride". He turned into a human being at that point, and asked me if i was being straight with him, so i told him all about my human right to travel freely without hinderance, let or licence, which he totaly understood.

I am sending back my license and de-regsitering car this week. I will try and keep it simple and just state that I am taking back full ownership of my automobile for my own private travels, and will keep it in road worthy condition.

i didn't send my 'driving' licence back, i work as a bus driver so i need it! And the way i look at it i paid for it, i earned it and it belongs to me :D

Will ring round for 3party de-reg insurance [should be fun :rolleyes:] I know Yozhik is right when he says about NI being there for insurance etc, but I wouldnt mind finding more, for peace of mind and to dispell the myth that this is just about dodging all of the costs & responsibilities of owning a car.

totally agree, i won't be 100% happy till i can source an insurance where i know that i am covered - my riding at the mo is very sparse and i only really went out on sunday because it was too sunny not to - i want to know i am covered and remain doubtful whether NI offers the cover i need for my own peace of mind.

Its funny, I am type of gal who lately had a clean nose lol... :rolleyes:

i always thought you were a guy, sorry :rolleyes: Don't know why: Note to self, stop assuming :cool:


ok [deep breath] here goes...will write letter(s) tomorrow.

Do it today mate

Any advice for giving them back their license etc would be much appreciated :D

how has the de-reg process gone for others btw

i think malvern has done this, and girlgye too. Have a look on tpuc forums (if you haven't already) there is some info on there.

Tis a great bit of fun, if nothing more, tho you do get the shitty end of the stick waved at you all the time. like i say, the traffic warders haven't got a clue, and many of these guys are joe bloggs doing a job, private comapny individuals paid to ticket anything that doesn't fit into their reality norm. So if you are leaving your vehicle on the road in a town expect a ticket - but hey, your vehicle aint registered anyplace so they don't know your address. Worse case scenario is your ride gets towed, which is shit because then you'll have to deal with the impound company and the police too. And all the inpound want is your money, they don't want any 'i haven't contracted' shit and they aren't geared up for dealing with it, and they can crush your ride, ok so there will be legal ramifications beyond that, but it does put you in a place that you don't wanna be in.

Have a notice on your ride that informs the "police force and traffic wardens and or any official body, person, representative, officer or agent of any other private company: that this conveyance is private and solely owned mode of transport of (named) who exists as a Freeman on the Land and does not exist within statutute or DVLA records. Any tampering, affixing of notices, penalty charges or bills, any removal or clamping of will result in a charge of £X being levied as well as charges of theft or hinderance being bought to the company responsable." Or words like that.

At the mo i don't have need to afix such a notice to the bike because she only gets out every once in a while, and i'm always within eye shot anyway, but you'll need it if ever you are parking any place that a warder or enforcement officer is likely to be looking at your ride. Look at it as an education for those Agent Smiths.

[wildhorse]

I've mentioned before about informing DVLA that you were exporting to Urban common land. Has anyone just tried exporting from the United Kingdom plc to England, Scotland, Ireland or Wales? If something has not been repealed then it is still in force. So if a common law has never been repealed it still stands as law. I thought that was the obvious point of this all. So if you return the dvla logbook along with a NoI claiming that you do not consent to the legislation fo the UK plc. Then the statutes and acts dont stand. The dvla is called an executive ageny of the government. Perhaps some information can be found in that wording used to describe their remit, roles and responsibility's. Thoughts?

Yes great points...if we actually just say "I no longer consent to being governed through Statute legislation" then surely this is breaking the contract that we unwittenly (is that even a word? lol :rolleyes:) 'agreed' to, thus breaking the confines and power of the statute itself ?.

Merlincove - yes trusting our lovelee government to insure us via NI don't sit easy with me...its on their terms and the fact that they loose out will likely mean NI's policy will be [I]buggered if you do, buggered if you don't[I] Will phone for house insurance and try that route - I didnt have h.i due to renting but hey, cannot hurt! :)

As for the license return...hmmm....well...I could be getting a few points on my license tmoz in court at the very least (long story re: common law stuff/cops/and my own stoopid fault), so I thought I would just get rid...tho this PACE thing cops are pulling out to tow car would be validated if I had no license Im thinking now :confused: The last thing I need is no car, as I live in the sticks with no public transport that is of any use. I guess keeping license no matter how tarnished would be a better plan.

what a fab story bout the statute warrior warden :D

Would have paid good money to see that one..oh boy!! :p ...well...may have the chance myself, but hopefully not. If I was to see my friends in their town, I wouldn't chance parking in the nearby streets as normal, when I can park on my mates mums drive, a short but steep hill walk away. Yes we do have the right and I would like to think that a compehensive notice in my windscreen reminding every fucker that "touch this private car, or else" would stave off lil Gertie getting towed away, but practically, can I afford to chance it?? I don't have a support network where I am to make other transport arrangements as yet. Its just other things that need to be figured out thoughtfully first. Or wait until I get my Blacks 9th edition for some serious reading up on such matters ;)

as for me being a guy...well yeah, I am not exactly a 'bows and ribbons' kinda gal with my language lol


another thing I was thinking... does anyone know of/think that solicitors who would go to court and spout Common Law? I guess they would be in the same corrupt bucket as statute pushers, but I just thought it would be great if there were peeps who were clued up on Common Law to represent humans in court this way (such as those who are not fully knowledgable in CL but know they want to persue justice that way)

Freeman (Law) Solicitors - gotta kinda ring to it :D

[merlincove]

another thing I was thinking... does anyone know of/think that solicitors who would go to court and spout Common Law? I guess they would be in the same corrupt bucket as statute pushers, but I just thought it would be great if there were peeps who were clued up on Common Law to represent humans in court this way (such as those who are not fully knowledgable in CL but know they want to persue justice that way)

Freeman (Law) Solicitors - gotta kinda ring to it :D

trouble is that solicitors have been coining it in for so long, living on the wrong side of the fense - most of them are in it as a HUGE part of the agenda. They vamp our power and our rights, take one to court and you will be standing under him / her as they are speaking for you, you have surrendered your power to them imo.

But yeah, i know a firm in nottingham who are real decent, Fletchers, and they have saved my ol bacon a time or two in the past - but now i know a little about how asking someone to speak for you = surrendering your own power, i'd prefer to do all the talkin myself, though am not relishing the idea of ever doing it.

And why pay them £ when you can have all the fun of the fayre for yourself hehe

The last time i needed a soloicitor they wanted £250 up front and weren't going to do a lot more than i coulda done (did do) - we're looking for a blacks law dic too, it is the researchg that is a pain in the A

And i guess if the beak ever offers the solicitor a contempt then that is where you are suddenly on your own anyway. And where things get all interstin - you wouldn't wanna be taking a back seat, you';d wanna be right in the thick of it.

Not a bows and ribbons kinda girl hehe - bows and ribbons aren't much fun

[lordzoma]

I'm still fairly certain the best way to unregister a vehicle is with dynamite. Perhaps C4 but it's harder to obtain.

[yozhik]

I'm still fairly certain the best way to unregister a vehicle is with dynamite. Perhaps C4 but it's harder to obtain.

For unregistering the Guy Fawkes way?
Or unregistering the Top Gear way?

i.e the makers of the ridiculous corporate policies or the car itself?
:rolleyes:

Fawkes or Clarkson?

[merlincove]

For unregistering the Guy Fawkes way?
Or unregistering the Top Gear way?

i.e the makers of the ridiculous corporate policies or the car itself?
:rolleyes:

Fawkes or Clarkson?

You have a very lucid view yoz, for sure: dry and lucid :D

as an aside, did you know that one of fawke's accomplices fled from the soldiers (and the infamous hanging / drawing and quartering) to the America's and changed his name to Bush - the rest is history.

[yozhik]

You have a very lucid view yoz, for sure: dry and lucid :D

as an aside, did you know that one of fawke's accomplices fled from the soldiers (and the infamous hanging / drawing and quartering) to the America's and changed his name to Bush - the rest is history.

... and that name has been responsible for fucking up parliament and the concept of democracy ever since ...

Job done.

[girlgye]

Strange Fruit

[tien an]

Strange Fruit

Indeed, but this one isn't hanging from a tree...yet.

[wildhorse]

well lost my license as expected.

don't fancy blowing up my lil car anytime soon.

I have ordered plates saying PR1V ATE.

I will write to DVLA and de-register car. I shall then look around for my original birth certificate with my first legal fiction NAME - hey, I have a choice of three legal fictions so why not have some fun with them. Original legal fiction will be of no fixed abode.

I will write a receipt out to my original legal fiction from my present legal fiction, for the sale of the de-registered car.

I will put my all weather camping gear and survival kit into the car, to back up the travelling/no fixed abode aspect.

maybe it could work....I can't use original plates as I would get pulled and done for driving without a license. If I am of no fixed abode, but just dossing at mates here and there, then I cant be traced back to to the LEGAL FICTION that has no license at such and such address. The reciept would cover this also.

not bad for a fuzzy head :rolleyes:

well, we shall see...

[girlgye]

well lost my license as expected.

don't fancy blowing up my lil car anytime soon.

I have ordered plates saying PR1V ATE.

I will write to DVLA and de-register car. I shall then look around for my original birth certificate with my first legal fiction NAME - hey, I have a choice of three legal fictions so why not have some fun with them. Original legal fiction will be of no fixed abode.

I will write a receipt out to my original legal fiction from my present legal fiction, for the sale of the de-registered car.

I will put my all weather camping gear and survival kit into the car, to back up the travelling/no fixed abode aspect.

maybe it could work....I can't use original plates as I would get pulled and done for driving without a license. If I am of no fixed abode, but just dossing at mates here and there, then I cant be traced back to to the LEGAL FICTION that has no license at such and such address. The reciept would cover this also.

not bad for a fuzzy head :rolleyes:

well, we shall see...

any plans for what ya gonna do when they steal your ride?

I believe only Blacks hang off Sycamore trees.

[Ian2day]

any plans for what ya gonna do when they steal your ride?

I believe only Blacks hang off Sycamore trees.

er come again?

[wildhorse]

any plans for what ya gonna do when they steal your ride?

I believe only Blacks hang off Sycamore trees.

well, I was kinda taking a dry look on my situation tbh...but you do raise a main issue with regards to PACE where cops can tow your car away.

however, PACE is yet another legislation and a driving license is part of that legislation too. The whole concept of needin a license to drive a car goes against my God given freedoms to me personally.

As it stands, I am likely gunna move closer to my job and/or just ride it out (well not in my car). Still gunna de-reg car, got my plates, and yeah I likes.

As for your last sentence, wtf???

[girlgye]

Well as I thought no real remedy then and an old topic resurrected without much moving further than where he originally started and aload of guff in between just to spoil the journey of doing some real real work at dealing with oppression.
unlawful of course.

[platform7]

How is the process going? I had my car crushed due to my ignorance of all this back in April:( Those kindly chaps and chapesses? at DVLA have offered my person an out of court offer to pay them £150. I have replied as best as I can but whatch this space lol.

peace love and happiness to all who read my words:)

[wildhorse]

Well as I thought no real remedy then and an old topic resurrected without much moving further than where he originally started and aload of guff in between just to spoil the journey of doing some real real work at dealing with oppression.
unlawful of course.

snipe snipe :rolleyes:

it maybe old to you. sorry for resurecting this old and worn post...sorry for spoiling the journey, now that you sent your de-reg letter in etc. but this one is my journey too, and I posted what I felt at the time...it may just be something in that when I am in a position to say fuck to the car I can give this or that a try. I am not in that position just yet and this has been anything but guff to me, infact I got into this guff by stating some of the freeman laws. I didnt include them as the thread was about deregistering car, not standing up to coppers with common law then getting done later for payback. £160 fine and 1st time in court & in scales of justice in the paper feels more than fucking real real to me, so why bitch like that??

its that kinda attitude that puts off those seeking an interest in this.

I for one am doing this for my own birthright and journey, but hoped I could do it with fellow men and women. maybe not.

anyway...got my PR1V ATE plates today....yeah baby :D

[wildhorse]

How is the process going? I had my car crushed due to my ignorance of all this back in April:( Those kindly chaps and chapesses? at DVLA have offered my person an out of court offer to pay them £150. I have replied as best as I can but whatch this space lol.

peace love and happiness to all who read my words:)

I read your words so thank you for your peace and happiness...ahimsa to you too mwah

anyway...be interested in what they say when they get your letter, take things from there. fucking are cheeky arent they...crush ya car AND want paying for it.

[merlincove]

How is the process going? I had my car crushed due to my ignorance of all this back in April:( Those kindly chaps and chapesses? at DVLA have offered my person an out of court offer to pay them £150. I have replied as best as I can but whatch this space lol.

peace love and happiness to all who read my words:)

Simply politely decline their offer and notice them (send them a lette with Notice of clarrification written somewhere near thye top, lol) that you have signed no contract and have not entered into an agrement for them to dispose of your vehicle, that was your property and that they had no lawful excuse to do so without your permission.

:D

[girlgye]

snipe snipe :rolleyes:

it maybe old to you. sorry for resurecting this old and worn post...sorry for spoiling the journey, now that you sent your de-reg letter in etc. but this one is my journey too, and I posted what I felt at the time...it may just be something in that when I am in a position to say fuck to the car I can give this or that a try. I am not in that position just yet and this has been anything but guff to me, infact I got into this guff by stating some of the freeman laws. I didnt include them as the thread was about deregistering car, not standing up to coppers with common law then getting done later for payback. £160 fine and 1st time in court & in scales of justice in the paper feels more than fucking real real to me, so why bitch like that??

its that kinda attitude that puts off those seeking an interest in this.

I for one am doing this for my own birthright and journey, but hoped I could do it with fellow men and women. maybe not.

anyway...got my PR1V ATE plates today....yeah baby :D

Well please get on and start your own thread about whatever you want to talk about. This is an important reference thread for a lot of people.

[nihil]

"Personal liberty largely consists of the Right of locomotion -- to go where and when one pleases -- only so far restrained as the Rights of others may make it necessary for the welfare of all other citizens. The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Under this Constitutional guarantee one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing another's Rights, he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct."
II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135