Police raided my home for drugs!!!

[free2beme]

Today the police came, knocked down the door, 3 officers held me down to handcuffed me, and then proceeded to search the house for evidence of "Cannabis, dealer lists, and money."

The only thing they found was money, which they have seized under Benefits of Crime Act or something.

The warrant was signed by a Justice of the Peace, or a magistrate, and there was no signature on the search record.

The warrant says that they are looking for drugs. I have nothing to do with drugs. Not a thing, I kid you not I am completely drug free apart from a small amount of alcohol.

They then sent a council man to repair the door.

I believe there was no basis for the search. They were obviously looking for anything that would incriminate me. "you have electronics, they could be stolen", "your computers, they're probably stolen", "that money is probably laundered"... they will find no evidence for money laundering since i haven't much of a clue even what it is, but now i have to prove that i attained it by legal means!!!

It's like having your children taken away until you can prove that they're yours! Seriously!

by the way, i have about 8 minutes of footage until the police grabbed my camera and proceeded to tackle me to the ground. the footage shows me says that i do not understand or accept any rights bestowed upon me neither do i consent to any acts which i have not consented to.

i wouldn't mind it on youtube, but i'd like all references to my details and my voice to be taken off.

Also, no receipt was given for the £4k taken. It might seem like a lot in cash, but if it was in the bank, you might not think so.

[lightgiver]

Today the police came, knocked down the door, 3 officers held me down to handcuffed me, and then proceeded to search the house for evidence of "Cannabis, dealer lists, and money."

The only thing they found was money, which they have seized under Benefits of Crime Act or something.

The warrant was signed by a Justice of the Peace, or a magistrate, and there was no signature on the search record.

The warrant says that they are looking for drugs. I have nothing to do with drugs. Not a thing, I kid you not I am completely drug free apart from a small amount of alcohol.

They then sent a council man to repair the door.

I believe there was no basis for the search. They were obviously looking for anything that would incriminate me. "you have electronics, they could be stolen", "your computers, they're probably stolen", "that money is probably laundered"... they will find no evidence for money laundering since i haven't much of a clue even what it is, but now i have to prove that i attained it by legal means!!!

It's like having your children taken away until you can prove that they're yours! Seriously!

by the way, i have about 8 minutes of footage until the police grabbed my camera and proceeded to tackle me to the ground. the footage shows me says that i do not understand or accept any rights bestowed upon me neither do i consent to any acts which i have not consented to.

i wouldn't mind it on youtube, but i'd like all references to my details and my voice to be taken off.

Also, no receipt was given for the £4k taken. It might seem like a lot in cash, but if it was in the bank, you might not think so.

Maybe they knew you had 4 k in the house?keep us updated about the situation,sounds very bizarre,maybe they got the wrong house or person,wouldn't be the 1st time;)

hope you are not to traumatized these things can shake one up a bit:(
and if they have nothing on you,i would seek advice from a solicitor,and sue the tossers.

[deafbred]

did you violate anyone's rights? no. so why did they go after you? ...no reason at all because they can do what ever they want and there are no rules for them.

corpus delecti states in order for a trial or court proceeding to ensue by the judge who only has jurisdiction if certain elements are involved ...

someones rights were violated... which you did not do

damage to property... only the police did that, your front door

... its just a whole lot of criminals liars thieves and MURDER'S violating YOUR RIGHTS and they should be thrown out of office and these so called 'officers of the peace' should lose their jobs

they are not protecting YOUR RIGHTS, its sad no one knows their rights

in fact... it doesn't even matter because these people just do what ever they want

courts are lawless, police are tools being used

its mainly about money, yeah they took your money.. its about scamming people..

and they know this. the ones in charge, charging you falsely

look at marc stevens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-T_R2wZwr4

www.adventuresinlegalland.com

they have no legal grounds to persecute you

[justpassinthrew]

Where did the 4k come from? Did you take it directly out of a bank at one sitting or was it just money that managed to accumulate over time?


Seems a bit strange that cops would come in and bust you when youve no connection to drugs.. thats of course considering you havent had any drug dealers coming into your house that you were unaware of. ie ; unassuming uncle, dabling granny.. etc.

And then again it could be plain old fashioned harrasment. You could have opened your mouth at the wrong time to the wrong person about the wrong subject in front of the wrong people.. free speach means your free to talk , but not free to get away with it.


There could be so many explanations .. damnit you got me curious now.

[free2beme]

Where did the 4k come from? Did you take it directly out of a bank at one sitting or was it just money that managed to accumulate over time?


Seems a bit strange that cops would come in and bust you when youve no connection to drugs.. thats of course considering you havent had any drug dealers coming into your house that you were unaware of. ie ; unassuming uncle, dabling granny.. etc.

And then again it could be plain old fashioned harrasment. You could have opened your mouth at the wrong time to the wrong person about the wrong subject in front of the wrong people.. free speach means your free to talk , but not free to get away with it.


There could be so many explanations .. damnit you got me curious now.

thank you deafbred for the information regarding marc stevens.

there have never been any drug dealers here. i have no family who use drugs. i haven't talked about drugs to anyone, practically ever. however, i have been quite active in my cyber pursuit of "freemanery".

in relation to motive, it seems likely to me that this is the doings of another officer, who is investigating me for something for which there is not much evidence, and thus it could have been an evidence gathering exercise, seeing as they were interested in incriminated me, not in finding anything that was sought after by the warrant.

[yozhik]

thank you deafbred for the information regarding marc stevens.

there have never been any drug dealers here. i have no family who use drugs. i haven't talked about drugs to anyone, practically ever. however, i have been quite active in my cyber pursuit of "freemanery".

in relation to motive, it seems likely to me that this is the doings of another officer, who is investigating me for something for which there is not much evidence, and thus it could have been an evidence gathering exercise, seeing as they were interested in incriminated me, not in finding anything that was sought after by the warrant.

Any charges? No? Then no crime.
Any arrest? No? Then no crime.

You have a RIGHT to ask for your money back or charge the policy officers with theft. Did you get names? Numbers?

For what its worth, I have access to cash too - a substantial amount - in various safe places.
The reason is simple; I refuse to deal with banksters any more - only as a last resort or out of necessity.

[free2beme]

I have heard nothing from them since Sunday morning.

No charges as of yet.

No arrests.

I have 6 numbers and the name of the Sergeant in charge of the search.

Today, I found a lawyer that will do Affidavits for £5 and a Notary whose charges begin from £40, but I did not manage to meet with the Notary today.

I am interested in challenging them legally and perhaps lawfully as well, meaning that I will be studying their acts and the law this week.

I doubt they will hand back the money easily, seeing as they took a phone from a relative of mine and have yet to hand it back, and they also took one of my cars with no receipt, no notice, no letter, and no warning. Reason being that it was not taxed.

[pleasuredome]

I have heard nothing from them since Sunday morning.

No charges as of yet.

No arrests.

I have 6 numbers and the name of the Sergeant in charge of the search.

Today, I found a lawyer that will do Affidavits for £5 and a Notary whose charges begin from £40, but I did not manage to meet with the Notary today.

I am interested in challenging them legally and perhaps lawfully as well, meaning that I will be studying their acts and the law this week.

I doubt they will hand back the money easily, seeing as they took a phone from a relative of mine and have yet to hand it back, and they also took one of my cars with no receipt, no notice, no letter, and no warning. Reason being that it was not taxed.

call the station, ask for all the names of all the officers who entered your house and name of the seargent in charge of the raid.

[lezenko]

I was going to say if it was me I would take them to court...

then i realised *WHAT THE FUCK AM I THINKING LOL*. Courts dont stand for justice, the man wearing a wig couldnt give a shit he just wants to give people an easy answer so he can make his day go faster.


On a serious note though, It's a fucking disgrace. Also by *law* they have to knock first. Only if they have evidence can they kick down your door, or, if they beleive you are in possesion of a firearm.

I hope you keep us upto date with this situation mate.

My deepest regards, Luke

[keystone]

Had you recently withdrawn the £ 4K from the bank?

Under current money laundering regulations the banks are "required" to report unusually large amounts of money either being deposited or withdrawn. That may have triggered the raid and would account for the "Benefits Of Crime Act" reference.

[dreamweaver]

I was going to say if it was me I would take them to court...

then i realised *WHAT THE FUCK AM I THINKING LOL*. Courts dont stand for justice, the man wearing a wig couldnt give a shit he just wants to give people an easy answer so he can make his day go faster.

If I was in free2beme's position, I would be getting a lawyer - one who specialises in criminal law and civil rights law - on the case.

From what I've seen so far, the Freeman on the Land movement hasn't been properly tested against the legal system of England & Wales. Being able to browbeat individual coppers into backing off, as some people have done so far, isn't really testing the law. If cases have been brought to court and successfully fought, then I'm happy to be corrected on this.

This raid seems to have seriously breached free2beme's rights and I still think his best course of action in the current situation is through a lawyer with the right specialisms.

[whitenight639]

If I was in free2beme's position, I would be getting a lawyer - one who specialises in criminal law and civil rights law - on the case.

From what I've seen so far, the Freeman on the Land movement hasn't been properly tested against the legal system of England & Wales. Being able to browbeat individual coppers into backing off, as some people have done so far, isn't really testing the law. If cases have been brought to court and successfully fought, then I'm happy to be corrected on this.

This raid seems to have seriously breached free2beme's rights and I still think his best course of action in the current situation is through a lawyer with the right specialisms.


yer I'll second that, if he needs that 4k to live on then get a lawyer because while learning the law and using it to get what you want (freedom) is necasary in some cases not if u have 4k to loose and kids to feed.

you can use your own mind and time to try get your car back later, and let us know how it goes.

[yozhik]

I have heard nothing from them since Sunday morning.

No charges as of yet.

No arrests.

I have 6 numbers and the name of the Sergeant in charge of the search.

Today, I found a lawyer that will do Affidavits for £5 and a Notary whose charges begin from £40, but I did not manage to meet with the Notary today.

I am interested in challenging them legally and perhaps lawfully as well, meaning that I will be studying their acts and the law this week.

I doubt they will hand back the money easily, seeing as they took a phone from a relative of mine and have yet to hand it back, and they also took one of my cars with no receipt, no notice, no letter, and no warning. Reason being that it was not taxed.

Have you contacted your local MP's??
You also need to file a theft report with the police ... seriously.
If no charges have been forthcoming, then they have stolen the money - plain and simple.
You have names. You have numbers. The policy officers have to take the report. Take witnesses with you. have them swear affidavits after and record with notary.

Get this CRIME on the record.
This is a CRIME.
There has been loss.

[free2beme]

the largest and only amount i have withdrawn all year is £600.

i have not contacted my local MP.

i have 6 officer's badge numbers, but only the name of the Sargeant in charge of the search.

i fear entering a police station since from what i believe, a police "station" contains its own laws and jurisdiction, so anyone entering a police station may be losing rights upon entry, but certainly i fear interaction with police officers from what has happened. i shall enter the police station and ask about what evidence they had for the search, and about the removal/theft of my money.

there is something interesting to note... there are three buildings in the town in the uk where i live which all have flags on them. there is the police station, a pub, and a newspaper building. the police have a "police" flag, the pub a union jack, and a UK/GB flag for the newspaper building.

i would like to create an affidavit for myself regarding this crime, so i shall be entering all facts i know to be true and taking it to my local lawyer tomorrow. i will be doing this to get used to the procedure of it all since £5 isn't a lot to forfeit.

i thank everyone for the advice that you have given.

[boots]

i would like to create an affidavit for myself regarding this crime, so i shall be entering all facts i know to be true and taking it to my local lawyer tomorrow. i will be doing this to get used to the procedure of it all since £5 isn't a lot to forfeit.
Hit the policy Sergent with an Affidavit of Claim. Stating that the info is true not misleading with first hand personal knowledge with full commercial liability and then ask for a Remedy.

Ask your lawyer to fill out the Affidavit of claim and seek compensation.


Dont be worried about the cops having power over you. They dont it's all a bluff.

They only have power over you if you let them;)

Have a read of this post it will help with understanding how to deal with them the next time.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=675826&postcount=23


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[drhemp]

Permit me to pass on my condolences. I myself have suffered similar indignities as your good self. I had the Goon Squad knock on my door last month who did over my house and business premises. The found a gram of weed and upstairs a measly quarter of polen that I'd lost some time ago, and had been looking for. Ah fuck them, they are stupid robots.

Barbaric treatment metered out to superior beings has been a pattern throughout history. In the Lost Scrolls of Judea, Jesus of Nazareth is reported to have said "Stikka Yom Kipper Upurearse" which translates "Fuck you you stupid robots."

[free2beme]

UPDATE:

I spoke with the officer who gave oath before the justice of the peace regarding the search.

He says that he has intelligence to suggest that there was reasonable grounds for the search.

Upon enquiring about the intelligence, he said that he would not be able to tell me due to the Data Protection Act.

After asking if the police required a receipt for seized goods, he went out of the room for about 5 minutes, then came back saying they didn't need to give a receipt, and then asked me for ID, claiming, after answering all other questions, that I might not be the aforementioned "person" on the warrant, which I was holding a copy of.

He also said that the police could hold the property seized for as long as they wanted to.

[free2beme]

Hit the policy Sergent with an Affidavit of Claim. Stating that the info is true not misleading with first hand personal knowledge with full commercial liability and then ask for a Remedy.

Ask your lawyer to fill out the Affidavit of claim and seek compensation.

Thank you for the information.

Could you clarify what an Affidavit of Claim should show, and what its purpose is?

Also, what does "Stating that the info is true not misleading" mean?

[lightgiver]

Had you recently withdrawn the £ 4K from the bank?

Under current money laundering regulations the banks are "required" to report unusually large amounts of money either being deposited or withdrawn. That may have triggered the raid and would account for the "Benefits Of Crime Act" reference.

Its a pity the banks cannot report themselves then isn't it,how much as it just cost to bail all the banks out:eek:

Yeah the good old banks looking after our interests.
Does the benefit of crime act not apply to the elites :confused:

[keystone]

Its a pity the banks cannot report themselves then isn't it,how much as it just cost to bail all the banks out:eek:Absolutely.

Yeah the good old banks looking after our interests.Of course. I'm waiting for a response on my claim for repayment of illegal interest and other charges on my overdraft!

Does the benefit of crime act not apply to the elites :confused:Well it should.

[lightgiver]

Absolutely.

Of course. I'm waiting for a response on my claim for repayment of illegal interest and other charges on my overdraft!

Well it should.

No one is being arrested though are they,that says a lot for the judicial system doesn't it,;) including the police.

[seercirra]

UPDATE:

I spoke with the officer who gave oath before the justice of the peace regarding the search.

He says that he has intelligence to suggest that there was reasonable grounds for the search.

Upon enquiring about the intelligence, he said that he would not be able to tell me due to the Data Protection Act.

After asking if the police required a receipt for seized goods, he went out of the room for about 5 minutes, then came back saying they didn't need to give a receipt, and then asked me for ID, claiming, after answering all other questions, that I might not be the aforementioned "person" on the warrant, which I was holding a copy of.

He also said that the police could hold the property seized for as long as they wanted to.

are you working?
if not then you should be able to get totally free legal advice.

theyre basically telling you that they can search your house with no explained reasoning, take your goods without any cause, and not even give you a reciept.

fucking rediculous.

you should try a different line and ask if, as theyre obviously gentlemen, they can take the time to give you a reciept. out of goodwill, rather than taking the approach of "you must give me a reciept" which will get their backs up and if they see they dont have to then they wont.

[mynameis]

File a complaint with the public defender if there is such a thing anymore.:(

[yozhik]

Sorry, but this whole scenario is exremely dark and oppressive; I would not be so accepting.

Unless I am missing something;
1. they broke into your house without a signed warrant
2. they destroyed your property (smashed your door)
3. they used unnecessary force (took your video came, put you to the floor, handcuffed you)
4. they stole your property (took your money without receipt)
5. they admitted to the crime without remorse (we don't have to give you a receipt and can keep your property as long as we desire)
6. they gave you no recourse (information was claimed but not shared)
7. they act as if you are guilty until proven innocent
8. they have not acted with honour
9. they have acted with total disregard to their PRIMARY role - to protect and serve the public.
10. they have acted with complete arrogance and contempt for what is right

Why would any of us accept this?
This is when/how a Peace Force becomes a Police State.

Tacit compliance is how men and women through the ages have got us all into this mess; let's not make it our legacy as well.
Enough is enough. We don't have to take this shit any more.

[wise haven]

Maybe I am being cynical but this whole thing sounds like a wind up to me.

Unless there is something you are not telling us..........this is highly irregular and from the information provided so far - HEADS WILL ROLL - as far as police procedure/behaviour iis the concern in this case.

Fuck the Freeman shit for a while and just use their laws against them. The only thing that gives them powers is that they are seen to follow or abide by the law themselves....when they don't do that the illusion starts to fall apart.

You need to JUMP hard and fast on this before cover up begins......believe me they have fucked up big time and it is time to roll out the big guns......the complaint procedure against them will start to motivate them into providing receipts for property/release of property/money etc.

You have been stitched up like a kipper mate - and you are listening to their bullshit excuses.

Like I said, you either haven't told the whole story or you will soon have a whole load of coppers bowing at your feet asking forgiveness......but only if you hit back hard with legal action and IPCC.

[bob_jones]

What is going on is that Police are being conditioned like rats in a laboratory to behave in the way the Illuminati want them to behave so that they will take part in the comming genocide that will even be denyed while it is well underway.
It involves Codex Allumentarius, the plot to kill you off via your food and bio-warfare germs.
For example Clostridium Difficiele the new super bug came off a shelf at Port on Down the chemical and bio-warfare establishment of the UK.
So your runny shit is the Queen's divine right to murder you!!
Think of her next time you look into the pan and see your guts splattered about.
You have her to thank for it.
The primary role of the police is to entertain the Royal Household in their quest for a kick now that fox hunting has been banned.
Hunting people and killing them is part of their percieved identiy as Royal.
But when they gerrymander David Cameron into office to reverse the ban they will still carry on the human hunting.

[free2beme]

Unless I am missing something;
1. they broke into your house without a signed warrant
2. they destroyed your property (smashed your door)
3. they used unnecessary force (took your video came, put you to the floor, handcuffed you)
4. they stole your property (took your money without receipt)
5. they admitted to the crime without remorse (we don't have to give you a receipt and can keep your property as long as we desire)
6. they gave you no recourse (information was claimed but not shared)
7. they act as if you are guilty until proven innocent
8. they have not acted with honour
9. they have acted with total disregard to their PRIMARY role - to protect and serve the public.
10. they have acted with complete arrogance and contempt for what is right

i have been to see a lawyer, who signed the affidavit that i am a man, not a person, and who advised me to write a letter to the police to get my money back.

the CAB was closed today (thanks for the suggestion seercirra)

i do not know if there is a "public defender" either. are we not to learn and to defend our selves, mynameis?

1. the warrant was signed by a Justice of the Peace, who i believe is a Magistrate
2. they broke the door, and it is currently being repaired at no cost to me
3. they put me on the floor, handcuffed, the reason being that i refused to turn off my camera. two officers proceeded to grab the camera out of my hand. looking back, perhaps i should have said "i will do so providing you show that you have a claim of right that i am obligated to do such a thing", as opposed to "i will not". either way, the fact is that i was "detained" for holding a camera.
4. they did take my money without producing a receipt. they claim this is legal, and i have nothing to suggest otherwise. whether it is "lawful" may be another matter.
5. that is true
6. the only information i have is what i witnessed for myself. the police have not contacted me since, and my attempt to gather information was halted by the officer who swore the oath for the warrant, claiming under the Data Protection Act that he could not give the information, and then proceeded to ask me for ID.
7. i have no evidence to suggest the opposite
8. i do not know for sure, but withholding all information and taking property when there is no evidence of a crime being, having been, or will be committed seems like dishonour in my book.
9. i see their primary role as being to enforce the policy of a few defacto government corporations as opposed to protecting and serving anyone.
10. no argument there.

Also, I was unaware that the Police were ever a Peace Force.

Wise Haven, in regards to this case, it is as I have stated. There is another case which I am involved in, which is a year old and has nothing to do with drugs whatsoever and is no grounds for a search.

I would like to file many complaints against the Police, although I fear repercussions such as further searches, or worse, as many innocent men have been taken without reason or right.

Bob Jones, as I believe it to be true, I believe that Police are screened upon application to be of a certain unquestioning type who believes in following rules, is not "free-thinking", obeys authority, and follows procedure, and as I believe it to be true, only those who follow these Police procedures to the letter are thus promoted, whilst those who do not agree with Police methods either secretly blog about it, or they quit.

I would like to acknowledge the infamous poem by Pastor Martin Niemoller that will express why I am proceeding with this case against the Police:

(the wording of the poem may be inaccurate as there are many versions currently on the internet)

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Thus, I am speaking out, for if I do not speak out, there shall be one less voice that speaks, and when I need someone to speak out for me, there may be no one left that can speak.

[jojo]

and this is how the police state tip toes its way into our reality......


today its someone else....but tomorrow?

free2beme, my thoughts and hope for justice are with you.

[wise haven]

Try this link to Bedfordshire police which explains how to make a complaint.

Your local force should also have an online explanation or how to complain.

Don't dally with this.....get things moving asap.

http://www.bedfordshire.police.uk/contactus/makingacomplaint/complaint.htm

Before shelling out any cash for legal representation try and get CAB to get the ball rolling.

Good luck :)

BTW the Chief Constable for each force is the only bonded individual - it is up to him whether to extend limited liability to one or more of his officers. If he doesn't extend limited liability he is effectively saying the officer/officers are guilty and then they can be sued personally.

[brainfreeze]

Or, take it to the Independent Complaints Commision

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/

[wise haven]

Or, take it to the Independent Complaints Commision

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/

True - but it works better in your favour and smooths the way if the local procedure has been gone through first.

As a rule of thumb with any government organisation it is better to go through their complaint procedure to try and achieve remedy first. That way if you do not get the redress you want you can take it to court and whip them publicly and financially...........they don't like it up em Captain Manwering.........;)

[bob_jones]

Bob Jones, as I believe it to be true, I believe that Police are screened upon application to be of a certain unquestioning type who believes in following rules, is not "free-thinking", obeys authority, and follows procedure, and as I believe it to be true, only those who follow these Police procedures to the letter are thus promoted, whilst those who do not agree with Police methods either secretly blog about it, or they quit.

I would like to acknowledge the infamous poem by Pastor Martin Niemoller that will express why I am proceeding with this case against the Police:

(the wording of the poem may be inaccurate as there are many versions currently on the internet)

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Thus, I am speaking out, for if I do not speak out, there shall be one less voice that speaks, and when I need someone to speak out for me, there may be no one left that can speak.

Actually tha manager of a local shoe shop in Llanelli sent this poem to every single member of the Carmarthenshire County Council.
The Police came round to his house and told him they could do him for harrassment.
They got a "Mind how you go" from Richard Little John in the Daily Mail.
But I have seen a tall dark man in town wearing a police uniform and speaking to Marie Baylis from the Sun's Political desk.
I know her well, she's a spook.
But I got it wrong about seeing Rebeka Wade because of the Baylis sightings, I went for pattern not presentation.
But the man I saw talking to Baylis, who looked like Little John was E146 on 8/7/05 when I was arressted in Dublin for dropping the rucksack into the German Embassy.
Thet tried to say I was in Al-Qaida.
E 146 asaulted me with bio-warfare germs via a hot dog and sent me to the wrong prison and said I had five years.
Lucky I had the paper work on me!
But the next week Kieran Crosgrove of Dyfed-Powys Police was pretending to be the custody seargent at District Court 46.
He is Agent Y, the man who bribed Henry Paul £200,000.
So Diana researchers should down load this post quick!

[badasscass]

the exact same thing happened to me. except they brought dogs. handed over a bogus search warrant. we went to find out details and the case didnt exist. they pretty much ruined my life at that time.

[free2beme]

The police have returned the money this morning. They stated that it was not counted.

The two persons who entered gave a receipt for the giving back of the money.

Yesterday, I went to police stations, both were closed. I had letters ready to hand over to them today.

Since I now have the money back, I will need to make some changes for the next letters I intend to give, and hopefully find out the reasons for the raid in the first place, and find out whether it was reasonable grounds or not.

Also, the police who entered the property came back and asked me to delete whatever I had taken of them from my camera under some Act that he quoted but which I didn't manage to film. I was going to say "do you mean under the 'you're not allowed to take pictures inside your own home Act'"? The footage is of them handed over the money.

Also, I took it upon myself to research the Data Protection Act, from which the officer who swore the oath for the search quoted and stated that the Act protected the giver of the information. The Data Protection Act from what I have gathered, is actually an Act concerning the retrieval of personal data from those whom it was gathered from. It is similar to the Freedom of Information Act, except that it concerns personal data as opposed to public information. Can you remember the last time when you were told that you weren't allowed information because of that Act? However, it also regulates what information is "personal data" and what information is necessary to be provided.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/Acts1998/ukpga_19980029_en_1

[dreamweaver]

Also, I took it upon myself to research the Data Protection Act, from which the officer who swore the oath for the search quoted and stated that the Act protected the giver of the information.

Police and other public bodies often cite the Data Protection Act as an excuse not to give you information. Usually they are bullshitting you.

See http://www.out-law.com/page-9396

[yozhik]

Given the pretext of this thread; police busting down doors ... I thought this was relevant and thought provoking ...

Fabian Socialism - also called gradualism - is a "mixture" of Fascism, Nazism, Marxism and Communism all bundled together.

However, it is much more deadly because it is much more clever and subtle.

The only difference between Fabian Socialism and Communism is that Communists take your house by directly sending in the "secret police" to knock your front door down. ­Fabian Socialists do it much more subtly and cleverly ­by "gradually" taking your individual rights away, by "gradually" increasing property taxes and rates, and finally, when you can't pay them, they send in their regional "council tax inspectors" to take your house away - but the end result is the same.

British PM Tony Blair and President George Bush Junior's globalist "war on terror" is a classic Fabian Socialist strategy.

Today the Fabian Society is among other things the intellectual wing of the British Labour Party.

Before Tony Blair became British Prime Minister in May 1997, he was Chairman of the Fabian Society.

Since the 1997 British general election there have been around 200 Fabian MP's in the House of Commons, some of whom have formed almost entire Labour Cabinets including Gordon Brown, Robin Cook, Jack Straw, David Blunkett, Peter Hain, Patricia Hewitt, John Reid, Ruth Kelly, Alan Milburn and Clare Short.

Fabians now dominate the entire British government.

They are resident in all parties and sit on all important select committees, commissions and organizations allied to the government.

[dondaz]

Being able to browbeat individual coppers into backing off, as some people have done so far, isn't really testing the law.If cases have been brought to court and successfully fought, then I'm happy to be corrected on this.

The whole idea of being a freeman on the land is to avoid going to court in the first place.

Hey free2beme, get the footage posted on the net then, so we can get a better view of the situation!

[1eyeopen]

Withheld.

[cleopatraxxx]

Given the pretext of this thread; police busting down doors ... I thought this was relevant and thought provoking ...

that was a good post
thanks

free2beme
i am sorry to hear on this invasive technique to have happened to you.specially because they haven't got any evidence against you, all they have done is against human rights.

they intimidate people by using their uniform in cases like this.
this happens all over the world.

looks like they know they did things wrong and already brought you back the money.

since you already moved against them. dont drop the fight is my advice too.
take it to the end as you said you want to know why they did it. to be handcuffed in your own home, door broken into. is not correct. when they KNOW you are some criminal and they will catch you and your criminal activity tools within the house, would make sense to break in. but they got nothing. as to the amoutn of money you had it is not a lot , no. just because it is not in the bank doesnt mean you cant have 4k at home.

by the way, do you work?

[danster82]

Why is everyone trying to justify the 4k? surely it shouldnt matter even you had 1million in cash because they have no right or reason to raid your house, theres no charge or evidence of crime. I dont get this really just sounds like out right fascism.

[tom bombadil]

Why is everyone trying to justify the 4k? surely it shouldnt matter even you had 1million in cash because they have no right or reason to raid your house, theres no charge or evidence of crime. I dont get this really just sounds like out right fascism.

I think cleopatraxxx beat you to it danster82 when it was said "as to the amoutn of money you had it is not a lot , no. just because it is not in the bank doesnt mean you cant have 4k at home."


Tom.

[free2beme]

dondaz, i will see what i can do about that footage.

cleopatraxxx, i do not work.

danster82, the point as you pointed out is that we are fighting or defending our god-given rights not to be presumed guilty before innocence, and privacy as well as attempting the process to own property.

I have read Black's Law Dictionary 8th Edition, and I'm only beginning to really learn the knowledge contained in words. However, it appears that case law, legal maxims, and history are just as important as learning the definition of words. I was suprised to find that not all words were contained in the dictionary. I believe "motor" and "vehicle" were not in there, so therefore, the only way I know if I'm "driving" a motor "vehicle" is to find out whether it's registered to the state or not.

I've also been to the local CAB who have suggested that I write a complaint to the local police station before going to the IPCC.

Thus, I shall begin the process of writing or adapting a complaint to the local police.

My topics of complaint shall be: the unncessary force used, being detained and handcuffed for an hour whilst the search was taking place, the unprofessional manner in which the officers were conducting the search, the taking of money whilst there being no evidence of any crime, the taking a week to return it after needing proof to show that I obtained it legally instead of e.g. a bank robbery, that I do not believe that there were reasonable grounds for the search since I have had absolutely nothing to do with drugs, and that injury and harm were caused to me which took 3 days to heal.

I've heard that I might be able to take action via a common law tort and thus sue for damages. The CAB have also suggested that I find a criminal lawyer, perhaps one who will work on a no win no fee basis. However, I have heard about the needing a lawyer / unsound mind principle.

Thanks for everyone's support. I intend to take this further. Hopefully they won't retaliate and cause more harm to me in order to stop any action.

[dreamweaver]

Good luck, however you decide to fight this free2beme. Keep us all posted and don't let the bastards grind you down. :)