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academylin
24-12-2008, 11:37 AM
"Down to Earth" Astral Travel Exploration


"Since the Astral plane is made up out of emotional energy, you tend to percieve everything in an emotional way. Buildings you find ugly can become unbearable to look at in the Astral plane. Interesting anecdote: Vincent van Gogh, the famous painter, used to drink for 'free' in a certain cafe in Paris. But suddenly, the cafe owner, refused to serve him any longer. They got into a serious fight, and Vincent left the cafe in a rage. He then painted the interior of the cafe as ugly as he could possibly make it, with disgusting browns, reds and greens. This is a lot like seeing something you dislike in the Astral.

"Reading something can be very hard. This has two reasons: 1. You don't have your brain with you 2. You can only read what's emotionally important to you. Talking can be done telepathically...."

Astral Sex: "Simply put: it is possible to 'melt' with another astral being. What happens then, I leave for you to explore, but... ...it will rock your socks! Study the elementals to learn about this. It's about the only thing they ever seem to do. You can show yourself to other people also while they're dreaming. You can even 'shape' their dreams. This is frowned upon by some people, but if you feel someone needs to 'think about something', this may be a decent way to make sure that (s)he does."

Thoughtforms and Spellcasting
It's a good thing to perform the heavier/ lighter investigation on yourself (your own body). Thoughtforms will show up that affect your life, and you can alter them. Ow ! Is there that memory of the time you went swimming in the sea and lost your bathing outfit in the water, so you had to walk back to your towel all naked ? Does it still affect your life so you won't go swimming in the sea anymore ? Now is a perfect opportunity to erase that thoughtform."

Ma'at's note: Although this text is not my own, I have found it to be the most practical, down-to-earth (if you'll excuse the pun!) article on how to astral project. Enjoy!

This is a text on the 'how to' of astral projection. It basically deals with 'how to get out of your body' and is also about all the things you can do and meet on the Astral Plane. It's a very good idea to read more about all this. I recommend The Llewellyn Practical Guide to Astral Projection (Llewellyn Press). Their meditation is the one I use and is thus included in this document&183; The Incense-recipe is from Scott Cunningham.

What is Astral Projection ?

Astral Projection is the projection of your mental body to any place outside your physical body. To do this, the mental body needs a part of your astral body to serve as its vehicle. It's not an unnatural thing to happen. In fact, we unconsciously do it two to four times at night, when we are asleep. Many little children for example report 'flying' dreams. Those weren't dreams, but astral projections. The real fun starts if we can train our being to astrally project 'at will', or, in other words, when we are conscious. When you are consciously 'out there' (on the Astral Plane), you can go anywhere you want, see what you want to see, heal the sick, work some spells and meet the other beings on the Astral Plane; the elementals, the guides, other astral travellers, earthbound spirits, angels etc. You can even have Astral Sex! It's even more fun than Netsurfing!

How to do it ?

There are many ways to achieve Astral Projection. In fact, there are about as many different ways as there are practitioners. Shamans may call up on the help of nature spirits to take him out of his body. A traditional Quabbalist may meditate upon the path between Yesod and Tiphareth. A Golden Dawn or Enochian ritualist may use the 'skrying in the spirit vision' rituals. So, there's not one way to do it. Please remember this as you go along and feel free to make any adjustments you want to make to the following meditation. As long as it 'feels right', you're doing fine. The meditation in this text, however, was designed to more or less 'bridge' the different methods used to Astrally Project. It's not Wiccan nor Crowleyian nor GD'ian nor whatever. The designers (Denning&Philips) have taken a good look at all the 'overlapping' points in all those different rituals, and have concluded that these 'overlap' points are the important 'points' in the process of astral projection. They managed to sythesize these points into the following meditation.
Preparation.

You have to prepare yourself properly before you can succesfully astrally project. It takes a long, long time of hard work and practice before you can just sit down and pop out. Only the best and most dedicated magicians may achieve this status. Us mere mortals have to gradually glide into the process and gently persuade our bodies to let go of part of its consciousness and astral body. Here are some important points:

Learn the meditation properly by heart. This is easier than you think. You can not project while you're reading this text.
Get into a steady life-rhythm. Wake up at the same time, go to bed at the same time. The body really appreciates this!
Try to get as much good sleep as you can. 8 hours a night is the absolute minimum. 10 hours is much better.
Get plenty of physical exercise. This will release energy blocks and thus allow energy to flow more vigorously through your body.
Watch your diet! Try to stay away from arrousing stuff as much as possible. No hot or spicy foods, stay low on fat.
No coffee or chocolate (try herbal tea instead) and ABSOLUTELY NO ALCOHOL ! Trying to project while under the influence of this drug can get you into SERIOUS TROUBLE. Try to eat no meat, or, if this is hard for you, as little as you can. Try drinking plenty of water (no mineral water). A big mug of water with some freshly squeezed lemon juice can be a great coffee substitute at breakfast.

Pick a regular time at which you may try to project. This can be at night, in the afternoon or in the morning. Just make it the same time every time. The body doens't like surprises.

A good general rule
Before you try to astrally project, concentrate on it. This may start hours, days or even weeks in advance. Persuade yourself that you ARE going to achieve it someday, and visualise youself being out of the body already. This gets your being in the right frame of mind.
Make sure you will NOT be disturbed while you perform the meditation. Disconnect the phone and try to jam the door-bell. Lock your cats away, and kick everybody else out of the house. Any disturbance to this meditation (or any meditation) can be extremely annoying, and get you into a really bad mood.

Pay attention to other disturbing factors. Your clothes for example. You may want to perform this mediation naked, because your clothes are too tight, or just getting in the way.

Room temperature is another factor. Not too cold, not too warm.
Disconnect all the electrical wiring that surrounds you. They can generate disturbing energy fields. In fact, any steel/iron/metal in and on your body can seriously fiddle with your energy-flows. So take out those earrings and tongue-piercings. Any accupuncturist can tell you that it's not a good idea to just jam a piece of metal in your nervous system. Oh, and here's a good one: remember to go to the bathroom before you start your meditation :)
If you insist on using music through the meditation, that's fine. It doesn't work for me, though. I always end up just listening to the music instead.
Make your room very dimly lit. This will relax your eyes. A very important and often neglected step. Getting out is very difficult when your eyes are still hard at work.

Like I said earlier: really work up to the moment you will start the meditation. If you feel you're not up to it, then don't do it. You will most likely not be able to project and this will only lead to disappointment and eventually break your moral. Always remember that it's a natural process and that you CAN and WILL do it. A few hours before the meditation, open all the windows and doors in your room and allow fresh air to blow through it. You may want to use the incense I included in this text. Burn it beforehand and then extinguish the fire. Your body will instinctively react to fire burning somewhere in your room and relaxing will become very hard.

Make sure all your body's needs are satisfied. Make sure it's not hungry, not thirsty. Don't eat anything 'heavy' before meditating. Make sure your body is sexually pleased, although after having a taste of astral sex, the urge for having sex can actually be of help to achieve astral projection.

The Meditation.

Lie down, with your head pointing to the East. Relax. Make sure you're in a comfortable position. Make sure your spine and neck are quite straight. You may need a pillow to support your head. Breathe rhythmically.

In, hold, out, hold, in, hold, out, hold. Very deeply. Concentrate on your breath. Feel it flowing and blowing through your body. In, down, through your lungs, cooling your ribs, all the way down to your genitals, hold it, out, up through your belly, up your throat etc. Do this until you have reached a very relxed posture and breathing rhythm. This may take a while, so don't rush things.

Now do a muscle relaxation exercise. Clench your toes for a few seconds, then relax. Feel the fatigue taking over your muscles. Do this again. Do the same with all your muscles, working from bottom to top. Your legs, your bottom, your belly, your chest, your hands and arms, your neck etc.

Particularly important is relaxing your face! Try to really wear out your facial muscles. Stick out your tongue as far as you can, make funny faces, clench your jaw, lift your head a little of the floor, make yourself look like an idiot (this is why there should be no other people present :).

Then feel the fatigue and warm relaxation take over. Also try to relax your eyes this way.
Now comes the main meditation. It is made up out of four parts: Energizing
Protection
Formulating the Astral Vehicle
Actual Projection

The energizing meditation is actually a very good meditation to perform whenever you feel like it. It balances out your chakras and makes you feel fit and clear. It's also very important to perform this meditation after having (whether or not succesfully) tried to astrally project, because it will rebalance your being again. On an 'out' breath, visualize the Crown centre (the top of your head) as a sphere of brilliant, white light. Keep on breathing until you get a steady image. On an 'in' breath, draw down a shaft of white light to your next centre, in this case the Brow (your forehead, the third eye between your eyebrows). On an 'out' breath, visualize a sphere of dove-gray light on your forehead. Make sure you get a steady image. On an 'in' breath, draw down a shaft of white light from your forehead to your throat. etc. etc. etc. Here are all the centres and their colors. The shaft is always made of white light. Visualize the spheres as being part inside and part outside your body. When you visualize a sphere, quickly recap al the spheres you already 'energized'.

Top of Head - Brilliant white
Forehead - Dove-gray
Throat - Intense mid-purple
Heart - Radiant Yellow
Genitals - Lavender, radiant and swirling
Earth (under your feet) - The seven prismatic colors (rainbow) swirling lazily.

Once you have energized your whole body like this, concentrate on all the spheres and shafts at once. Be aware of all the colors. After having done this exercise a number of times, you will feel actual tingling in the centres when you energize them. You will feel your solar plexus (in the middle of your body, right between your belly button and ribs) throbbing like crazy. Here's where you will exteriorizing astral substance. Hold the spheres for a few more seconds, then let them slowly fade away.

The protection. Visualize a large sphere of radiant white light lying at your feet, until you get a steady image. Breath in, and pull all that light in a long white shaft up through your body to the top of your head.

See it light up the inside of your body, leaving a steady shine. On an out breath, let the light flow down along the outside of your body, encapsulating you in a waterfall of white, protective light. Let the light recollect at your feet and at an in-breath, pull it back up again. This is a greatly relaxing exercise, and it makes you feel great. Repeat this cycle for as long as you like, at least 10 times.

Now you have to formulate your astral vehicle; the 'car' your conscious needs to 'travel' in. Here's how to do it. Visualize a jet of blue-silver mist to leave your body at your solar plexus. Make it form a cloud a few feet above you. Then form this cloud into a human figure, floating above you, facing down towards you. This human figure decides what you're gonna look like in the Astral plane, but don't worry! You can remodel this figure in great detail once you're out there. It is a good idea however, to, prior to the meditation, concentrate on how you want to look like. Once your happy with this visualization, stop the flow of astral substance, but keep the fine line between you and the vehicle intact.

IMPORTANT: if you don't succeed in projecting, ALWAYS make an effort to 'take back' the exteriorized astral substance. Make the figure into a cloud again, and pull it back. This will prevent unnecessary and severe energy loss and fatigue.

The actual projection. Pick a point on your body. Any point will do, but I have found that the point that works best, is your solar plexus, because it's right where your astral vehicle is attached to your body. Now, collect your being, your self, everything you are, all your wishes, thoughts, movements into this point. It like crawling away into a grain of sand. Empty your head, your legs, arms etc. and recollect yourself at this specific point. Now visualize the same point on your astral vehicle, that's still floating above you. Now, make a mental resolution to lift this point where you are out of your body, along the line (cord) that links you with your vehicle, into your vehicle, to the same point in your vehicle, and SEE IT HAPPEN. Now the hard part: make a mental effort to 'turn around' in your astral vehicle thus come to face your own body lying a few feet away. Now expand your personality again, and make it fill your astral vehicle. This is rather like putting on a thick glove. Make yourself aware of your new body. You've done it! You can fly! Whee! Have a good time!

Important notes:
The first time it actually happens, don't do much more than just floating in air and looking at your body. Keep this up as long as you can, then slowly 'drift down'. You will automatically 'snap back' (this is very much like what can happen to you when you're lying in bed, when you get that feeling like you're falling down. I already said that we all astrally project while we're sleeping). This 'snapping back' will happen more often that you wish for the first times you achieved actual projection. Don't worry. You have learned the 'knack', there's no reason why you cannot do it again, and you will learn how to stay out there for a longer period of time automatically.

Once you're out there comfortably, and you're ready to explore, get away from your body as quickly as possible. Because, even looking at your body, or getting close, may cause snapping back.

When you are back (or haven't succesfully projected), always do the Energizing meditation again, to revitalize your being.

I almost forgot: you need a good reason for your body to willingly let you go. Like I pointed out, sex is a good reason. But also a friend in need, someone who needs healing, curiosity etc. Any reason that makes you feel comfortable (yes, this may include eavesdropping! But be careful, someone might actually see you!) It's a good thing to meditate on your reason to project, and to think of your reason and why it's a good one right before you try to project yourself.

The Key-signal phenomenon. Many people who astrally projected, reported a 'key-signal' right before they left their bodies. This usually is a strange, whistling sound in their ears, but can also be a cold draft on your forehead, a strange smell, or weird metallic noises. If this happens, don't be upset at it! It means you're on the right track. Thinking about your specific key-signal the next time you try to project may even facilitate the process significantly.

What can I actually do out there ?
You can remodel your astral vehicle with your willpower, to look like anything you wish. Yes, if you miss and arm or a leg, you can still have one in the Astral world (this may explain the Phantom pain phenomena. People who had to miss an arm or leg often experience pain in their missing body part). Your eyesight can be very screwed up. You can at times experience eyes 'at the back of your head'. This 360 degrees vision can be upsetting to some people, and very interesting to others. Making a willed resolution to 'see as you wish', will solve the problem. You may be able to dress up as you wish, you cannot disguise your personality on the astral. Other beings can see your aura very clearly, and if it's no good, you will be treated likewise. You can check on your aura by looking at yourself in streaming water, or a crystal ball (if you know where there is one).

Moving in astral space can be very difficult at first. Travel speed in astral space equals thought speed. You can move yourself to the other end of the universe by just thinking about it. So, you have to think yourself forward and backward. This may be awkward at first, but you'll soon get used to it. Don't be afraid about getting lost! Just think about your body or your room and you're there. Get a little closer, and you'll snap back automatically. Oh yes, physical obstacles form no barriers!

You can also move in 'lightness' and in time ! Though this is a bit harder, and you may want to really practice to stretch your limits on this. Moving in 'lightness': You can, by an act of will, pull energy along the astral cord from your body, or send back astral energy to your body. Gaining energy causes your astral vehicle to get heavier and more 'to the earth', losing energy makes you lighter and flow upwards, to the higher astral realms. But getting too heavy or too light causes you to 'snap back'.

Through practice, you can get heavier or lighter. If you are at a particular scene that is of interest to you, try making yourself lighter and heavier in turn. At every level you arrive at, something else is revealed about the scene. Getting heavier is useful when you want to heal someone (you'll need the extra energy), when you want to try to lift physical objects (this takes great effort, you can lift about 56 grams), or if you want to try to show yourself to someone (to haunt the living daylight out of him ..grin..)

Someone might be able to take a picture of your astral body this way. Getting lighter is useful for visiting the upper realms, where the higher astral beings hang out. The higher you can get, you more 'enlightened' you are. Moving in time: you can travel in time, about 500 years forwards and backwards. To archieve this, visualize a calender losing it's days, or a clock going formards or backwards.

Three interesting phenomena occur as you do this:

You will find that some era's are unreachable, no matter how hard you try.

When you go back, the images you're getting fade and become colorless. More than 500 years back, almost nothing can be seen. When you go forward, images become more and more vibrant and sharp, until they become painful and unbearable. You cannot interact with the physical level when you're back in time.

Time elasticity. When you spend a few minutes in the past, you may have spend a whole hour in the present. The further you go back, the more 'present time' you need to spend a time in the past. For going to the future, this is the other way around. You may be out of your body for an hour, and spend a few hours, days or even weeks in the future time. Odd, isn't it ? Traveling to the future opens up interesting possibilities. Yes, try and see if you can find out which horse will win the race next week.

Astral Perception
Since the Astral plane is made up out of emotional energy, you tend to percieve everything in an emotional way. Buildings you find ugly can become unbearable to look at in the Astral plane. Interesting anecdote: Vincent van Gogh, the famous painter, used to drink for 'free' in a certain cafe in Paris. But suddenly, the cafe owner, refused to serve him any longer. They got into a serious fight, and Vincent left the cafe in a rage. He then painted the interior of the cafe as ugly as he could possibly make it, with disgusting browns, reds and greens. This is a lot like seeing something you dislike in the Astral.

Reading something can be very hard. This has two reasons: 1. You don't have your brain with you 2. You can only read what's emotionally important to you. Talking can be done telepathically. Experiment with your perception. How do you percieve the music you really like ? Can you smell and taste food ? etc. etc. etc.

The Akashic Records
This is an astral place where all the knowledge is stored and can be studied. To go there, simple imagine a place of study,
learning, students, teachers and books, and you will most probably find yourself back at the Akashic Records. You can ask for teachers, information etc. You will only be able to learn what you can understand. Remember the old saying: 'When the student is ready, the teacher is present.'

The Astral Beings
There are a lot of these. First, there are the elementals. Salamanders (Fire), Undines (Water), Sylphs (Air) and Gnomes/Elves (Earth). You can find them anyplace where their element is overly present (Vulcanos, Rivers, Geysers, Mines, Cyclones etc.), but there's usually one present in your own house. Try to observe them closely. You may learn a lot of astral tricks from them, like astral kissing. If you want to get involved with them closer, keep one thing in mind: they are not particularly 'good' or 'evil', but playful, and most of them have the emotional reactions of a little child. This is fine of course, but they love imitating humans, and they can get you in serious trouble without them realizing it.

Earthbound Spirits
These are the spirits of dead people. No reason to be afraid of them, they are just like most people around and usually very frustrated. They pin themselves down on some reason to stay 'down here' and not evolve to the upper levels. You may try to talk some reason into them and thus help them.

Your Astral Guide
(S)he's always with you, and (s)he can become a good and warm personal friend to you. They are usually at the same intellectual/emotional level as you are, and they know a great deal about you. You can ask him/her to guard your body, or to come along with you.

There are numerous other astral beings. Angels, archangels etc. Going into describing them takes a lot of pages more. Read about it! Ask around! Thoughtforms: these can take on various shapes, from stunningly beautiful crystalline formations to clouds of viscious energy. They are a good indicator of what goes on in people minds and you can learn a great deal about
certain people by looking at their thoughtforms. Don't touch them! You have no reason to destroy other peoples thoughts, and you may even take on the negative thoughts of some people! Of course, you can make thoughtforms yourself, through willed action. They can be anything you like, from a pet familiar to a diamond castle!

Astral Sex
At last! Simply put: it is possible to 'melt' with another astral being. What happens then, I leave for you to explore, but... ...it will rock your socks! Study the elementals to learn about this. It's about the only thing they ever seem to do. You can show yourself to other people also while they're dreaming. You can even 'shape' their dreams. This is frowned upon by some people, but if you feel someone needs to 'think about something', this may be a decent way to make sure that (s)he does.

Thoughtforms and Spellcasting
It's a good thing to perform the heavier/ lighter investigation on yourself (your own body). Thoughtforms will show up that affect your life, and you can alter them. Ow ! Is there that memory of the time you went swimming in the sea and lost your bathing outfit in the water, so you had to walk back to your towel all naked ? Does it still affect your life so you won't go swimming in the sea anymore ? Now is a perfect opportunity to erase that thoughtform.

Spellcasting
When a magician casts a spell, (s)he makes an astral imprint (=thoughtform) in order to change the course of his/her life. But it's usually like drawing on a blackboard, blindfolded. When you're out there, you can actually see what you're doing. The change it will bring about in your life will be more radical, better. You can actually ask a higher astral being to make the thoughtform for you. This is like being helped by Rembrandt to shape your thoughtform. Before performing a change, however, always ask yourself these three questions: 1. Is this change really necessary ? 2. How to do it in the best possible way 3. What are its consequences ? This seems easy enough, but people have great difficulty in living up to these rules (consider the environmental problems. Industrial changes were made 1. When they weren't particularly necessary 2. In completely the wrong way 3. without ever considering the consequences. The net result: big trouble).

That's about it! But be patient. It may take many months, even years before you fully master this art. Once you're an experienced traveller, you may try to 'loosen up' on the rules. Try another diet, and see how it affects your astral abilities. And if you're a steel-nerved kinda person, try projecting while being drunk! Only do this if you really know what you can do and how to do it. Oh yes, I almost forgot...:

RECIPE FOR INCENSE TO HELP ASTRAL PROJECTION
(from Scott Cunningham)
Take the following ingredients:
3 parts Benzoin
1 part Mugwort (Artemisia Vulgaris, NOT Artemisia Absinthium!)
1 part Dittany of Crete

Dry the ingredients and grind them. You'll have to sand the sandalwood into a granular dust. Grinding the Benzoin can be quite hard, because it can get quite sticky, but practise makes perfect. Then, slowly, thoughtfully, while thinking about the purpose of this incense, mix the ingredients together, one by one. Think about astral projection. See yourself fly. When ye're finished, keep the incense in a dark, airtight jar, and keep this in a dark, cool, dry place. To use it, put some sand in a heat-resistant pot, light a coal (or better, incense coal: a little 'cup' made of coal, which you can buy at a store for Church supplies) and put some of the incense on it. If you're going to use it indoors, experiment with how much smoke the incense will generate. It's hard to relax while you're suffocating!

OK. That's all folks. Always remember to act sensibly, respectful and with common sense. It keeps you out of trouble. And one final warning: regard the Astral Plane as an enrichment of your life, not as a substitute.
~ Edgar van Oostrum, 1995

Astral Projection
~Author Unknown
There are many types of "projections" going by different names the ones I use are;

MENTAL PROJECTION- Where the practitioner projects just his Consciousness to some other place, beyond the physical body. It's similar to a day dream only much stronger. You see a mental picture,like watching a movie, but there are no senses per se, taste, feel, hearing, smell etc.

ASTRAL PROJECTION- This is where the Consciousness & the Astral body separate together from the physical body. The practitioner has use of all fives senses plus those used by the Astral body. You may have a sense of flying or floating. Vivid dreams are often natural AP during sleep. It's perfectly safe. Nothing can enter the physical body while on an Astral projection as only you have the exact key. At any sign of danger the Astral body is "reeled in" rather quickly.

ETHERIC PROJECTION- This is where the Consciousness, the Astral body & the etheric body separate together from the physical body. The ectoplasm of the Etheric body can been seen other. The physical body is reduced to a state of near catalepsy during the projection and must be protected from sudden shock or disturbance as there is a rare occurrence of physical death.

BILOCATION- This is where the Consciousness, the Astral body, the Etheric body & the Physical body are in TWO different places at the same time. This is only be used by advanced Magi and then rarely. It involves time & place distortion with a host of other things.

Mental projection is by far the easiest. Just focus the consciousness anywhere the will directs.






The Secret of the Soul
William Buhlman is a leading expert on out-of-body experiences. The author's thirty years of extensive personal out-of-body explorations give him a unique and thought provoking insight into this subject. During the last eight years he has conducted an international out-of-body experience survey that includes over 16,000 participants from 32 countries. The provocative results of this survey are presented in his latest book, The Secret of the Soul. As a certified hypnotherapist, William incorporates various methods, including hypnosis, visualization and meditation techniques in his workshops to explore the profound nature of out-of-body experiences and the benefits of accelerated personal development. Through lectures, workshops and his books the author teaches the preparation and techniques of authentic spiritual exploration. William returned to share the latest observations and developments in out-of-body experience (OBE) research. During these experiences a person moves into an astral body realm which is actually another dimension of existence, he explained. This type of 'travel' can have a number of benefits. For Buhlman, it gave him verification that consciousness survives outside of the body, and during such states a person can receive healing energies. Many alien abduction reports may actually be misperceived OBEs, he said, noting that when a person leaves their body, they attract attention from a variety of beings that wish to communicate. The notion of form is quite fluid in this realm-- Buhlman said he often perceives of himself as a ball or teardrop of energy. The key to achieving an OBE is persevering with a selected technique for a period of at least 30 days and to practice it on a couch rather than a bed, he noted. Incan shamans may have had to prove their OBE skills by identifying the Nazca Lines animals (which can only be seen from an aerial perspective), he added. April 2nd, 2007 http://www.astralinfo.org/ http://www.out-of-body.com/

lakkimakki
24-01-2009, 05:06 PM
great info txankz

psyked
25-01-2009, 06:58 PM
Did you type all this or did you copy and paste it? hehe

smariot
25-01-2009, 08:30 PM
Did you type all this or did you copy and paste it? hehe

http://lightworkers.org/node/12006

free_soul
26-01-2009, 04:48 PM
Printing it out now, looks a really interesting read, i want to improve my true potential however most information i read is quite vague to say the least :(

academylin
31-01-2009, 04:56 PM
Did you type all this or did you copy and paste it? hehe


It was courtesy of our lightworking friends!

jahzel
31-01-2009, 06:54 PM
I'm sorry, but some of the stuff out there in those dimensions you wouldn't want to shag...

Would you like to get jiggy with a 7 foot tall praying mantis creature?

No, neither would I.

...In fact I'd rather eat haggis :)

darryl84
31-01-2009, 11:39 PM
Hey academylin, great post, really interesting!

I have a few questions about Out of Body Experiences, can you answer them for me? :)


Your Astral Guide
(S)he's always with you, and (s)he can become a good and warm personal friend to you. They are usually at the same intellectual/emotional level as you are, and they know a great deal about you. You can ask him/her to guard your body, or to come along with you.

Above it states our astral guide can be asked to guard our body, do you know what our body needs to be guarded from? Below it states nothing can enter the physical body and only we have the exact key to it, do you know why that is and what is meant by "we have the exact key"?

Nothing can enter the physical body while on an Astral projection as only you have the exact key. At any sign of danger the Astral body is "reeled in" rather quickly.

Would i be right to assume that when consciousness astral projects, that if our physical body is touched or we fall off the bed, that our consciousness gets reeled back in quickly?

Last question and most intriguing! lol Where does the astral body find a date for astral sex? :D Do astral bodies interact during astral sex like physical bodies do? If you or anyone else reading has anymore information i'd be interested to read it! :D :)

marpat
31-01-2009, 11:46 PM
This is an area that fascinates me but my own experiences have been unconscious/ dream based ones.

Anybody had a full blown experience under control and if so what method ws used?

Such an ability would be awesome if controlled. For instance how hard would it be to travel across the planet to see if there really is an opening at the poles.

darryl84
01-02-2009, 12:22 AM
Would you like to get jiggy with a 7 foot tall praying mantis creature?



Dont knock it until you try it. ;) lol :p

merlincove
01-02-2009, 02:31 AM
Great thread :-)

you just have to be careful coming back in is all, it can hurt sometimes.

academylin
01-02-2009, 11:06 AM
Very Lucid Dreaming.

This occurred on Tuesday night after the Monday Trance session; Two weeks with my mentor and study group on this fascinating subject!

Going off to sleep took ages! I had been physically whacked and out of sorts all day.
Eventually I was at the stage where I had virtually entered sleep.
Still kind of half and half.

I have been practising Edgar Caces methods of lucid dreaming, but was so tired that I didn’t want to dream or remember them that night, so I had closed down my chakras (except my heart) and had blanketed myself in subconscious protection.

Then…

I was in a house, in bed, and my five year old son was crying loudly some distance away. When I first tried to get out of bed to go to him – I couldn’t move – This was because, I realised, I was physically trying to get up and out of my own bed, not the dream one.
Apart from the fact that I was too asleep to manage it, the amount of duvets we have on our bed in the winter was making the exercise too heavy, they seemed to be pinning me down!!
I tried to call out to Casey (my son) and can remember my voice coming out distant and slooow, “Ca…………sey” With a concerted effort, I woke myself up.

I was back at that same stage of sleep again; There was what sounded like a ringing alarm going off somewhere, continuous ringing, I did manage to lift my head physically to check in reality whether it was a smoke alarm.
It wasn’t, it was definitely in my ears!!

That done. And I was upstairs in a big house. My physical mind was still aware enough to tell me that it wasn’t mine.

The landing was white, open and clean. I tried to look over the banister rail and again realised (physically and in the dream) that there were too many duvets in the way!
I remember going down the stairs and I could hear a party going on behind me.

Ahead of me, where I was looking was a dark corridor leading to what I felt to be the front door.
Someone was coming along the passage way from the door towards me. The figure was coming out of the dark and for a moment I felt vulnerable and nervous.
I picked up my attitude (the, “yeah yeah – you don’t scare me”, one) and started to approach the advancing figure….It was my daughter and she was hustling past me to get to the exciting party going on within the other rooms of the house.

I continued on to the front door.

It was night time when I stepped out side. I crossed the road and with a wooded area on my left began to walk up the path. From behind me – ( and again, physically at the same time.- You know when you experience an electrical storm, and after the flash the air around you is empty but charged and your face is hot…. Well that!) but in the dream, as I said, behind me at the bottom of the road came three straight lines of blue lightning.

I remember consciously and sub consciously thinking and saying, “oh no, not again!” (as my lucid dreaming experiences have left me with a storm memory before, ) anyway, at that exact moment an old beige Renault 18 drove up past me on the road, turned 180 degrees and parked outside some shops with its lights off and exhaust fumes pluming into the night air.

I was on the same side of the street as the car now, (I had apparently crossed the road again but have no recollection of this) and decided that, what with the lightning and the menacing approach of the vehicle that it probably best that I get out of there.

I turned around and tried to run. The hill that should now have been going down for me was going up! And I say “tried” to run, because I was not getting anywhere fast!

My legs felt like lead and I couldn’t seem to be able to co ordinate any limbs properly.
As I was running away (slowly!), I turned my head to check what was happening behind me. As my head turned my feet kind of skipped round to join my head, so momentarily I was kind of running backwards up the hill, this was infinitely easier than running forwards and for a moment I was surprised by this fact, until……..WHOOOOOOSH…………..

Although there was no pain I can only describe what happened as a feeling of being slammed in the stomach by a medicine ball travelling at the speed of a cannonball right into the middle of my stomach!

My legs splayed out in front of me and so too did my arms, as I was propelled backwards by this invisible force at great speed! I was flying!! Albeit in a very strange position!

I managed to get my feet back to the floor and skipped around forwards again and continued to try and run normally. It was like running in quick sand, I was getting nowhere!

I looked behind me again to see if anyone was getting out of the Renault, my feet joined in the turning, skip… hop……WHOOSH!

There I went again! No matter how fast I was travelling backwards, and when I did manage to get my feet down, facing the right way again, the house was getting no closer.
I didn’t look back again, and I physically forced myself awake!

Before I dropped off again into what was a very deep, dreamless and surprisingly refreshing nights sleep, I closed down ALL of my chakras again very firmly and had a harsh word with them all! The following day I bought the BIGGEST piece of haematite I could lay my hands on!

I think I kind of know what happened but would like confirmation from someone experienced in Astral travel/ OBE as I am very green in this subject.

From tuning my clairvoyant ability on Monday night as it appears I did, I believe I have opened another “area” or “energy” within me.
As I was personally surprised by reaching this level of attunement, I had obviously not paid “it” correct heed, therefore had not been aware consciously enough to be able to CLOSE it properly afterwards. This I think would explain being tired all day Tuesday.
And leads me to believe that I think, therefore, “it” was trying to take advantage of me! Not in n evil or menacing way, just a mistake I made, so another learning curve.

I only speak of it as “taking advantage” because I don’t WANT to astrally project! Although several of my mentors have urged me that I can, I don’t want to! Lol!
Not yet anyway!

Was this the subtle beginnings of an OBE?

Your opinions are valuable.

Since this experience I have been attempting to achieve a conscious Theta state... Brilliant experiences!! anyone with any info re this for me at all?

Thanks.

darryl84
01-02-2009, 12:34 PM
Great thread :-)

you just have to be careful coming back in is all, it can hurt sometimes.

In what way does it hurt and do you know why that would be?

jahzel
01-02-2009, 02:03 PM
Have a full conscious projection experience takes a lot of time and practice, but most of all it takes the belief in yourself that you are capable of it and that it is a natural ability which has been sadly torn away from us by the establishment.

When I first did it I was amazed at how simple it seemed, all I did was just roll out of my physical body once I built up the momentum through all the vibrations. No it seems difficult. The last projection I had was a while ago now, and it really wasn't all that. I could only reach the corner of the room I was staying in. I seem to just try and fly out nowadays which isn't the best way.

There is a rope method whereby you create the scenario in the head that you are climbing a rope above your bed. This seems to work for some people but I just can't do it.

Once you get to the vibrational state, don't get too excited and don't panic. Think of it as a process rather than an experience.


P.s. the one I saw when I was out my body looked a lot like this:

http://www.mzephotos.com/images/insects/praying-mantid-dark-eyed.jpg

I only saw the head through my bedroom wall. Whatever it was didn't pose a threat, I was just being watched/observed.

They seem to be entities which inhabit other realms - DMT users often see them.

siphon880di
01-02-2009, 04:15 PM
Hey, I've successfully projected before.

You must be willing to commit to at least 15 minutes of lying on the bed.

Then while you're on there, imagine there's a rope up ahead of you. Try to grab it with your real arms, and pretend your pulling your body up from the bed. Remember this feeling. Now drop your arms slowly and relax them.

This time imagine using your arms to grab onto the rope. Now imaging climbing up. Feel the courseness and ridges of the rope giving you grasping power.

Your mind will fight you on this. It will ask why you aren't being pulled up when you're obviously climbing a rope. You can pretend you're too weak to lift your body up. I pretended I was struggling with climbing. If you want, do about 15 second intervals of imagining it, and 5 seconds of resting. But remember you commited yourself to at least 15 minutes of lying on the bed.

If it doesn't work on your first try. Keep doing this on a daily basis, and you'll eventually exit your physical body. Before the exit, there might be a short time you feel cold, breathless, or wind hitting you. You have to ignore all those sensations and stay absolutely calm. Eventually, you will feel more and more of your subtle body. Then you exit your physical body as the subtle body.

Depending on your state of mind, and your health, you might be in dream worlds, or you might actually be in the same place you got out. If you're in the same place, you can spy on your neighbors, etc. IBut i the dream worlds, whatever you think about can show up instantly, and it seems you can even connect to other communities of spirits by thinking about their community.

Be careful of having sex here. Do not fulfill your wildest fantasies, or else you're tagging yourself for parasitic entity trouble later down in the road.

Also, do not feel afraid of the unknown in the dream world. That fear manifests "monsters" very fast. Or it can attract actual entities. I have seen reptilians working with grays in the astral realm before I read about them!

When you want to return to your body, just think about your body. Now here's the problem: If you tend to think of your body too much, you won't stay long enough in the astral, lol

marpat
01-02-2009, 05:16 PM
I have tried various methods but only ever managed to produce lucid dreams and dreams of floating through walls and through the house. During these dreasm though it feels as if there is a breeze running along the body and a sensation of lightness.

element
01-02-2009, 05:30 PM
First time I've had an oobe was when I was around 7/8 years old at the beach. There was a high wave and it freaked me out. Out of shock I came out of my body, saw my body coming in the sand few meters up. When I got back I thought I was laying in the sand for a very long time, but when I asked others it was only few seconds.., time's messy up.:rolleyes:
I've had many 'unconscious' projects so to speak, that I became aware of my dream, then wanted to get back, seeing house and rooms in detail etc.
I've not succeeded to do it consciously, been very close at times. I've seen my arms coming out (transparant), very light feeling in the body, lots of vibrations. Great feeling, but it can be so overwhelming that you think you lose control. This fear keeps you back. If I look at the times I could get that far, good tips for it are these: Your body needs to be free of digestion for a couple of hours, no hunger/thirst, don't have a cold, your body needs to be quite relaxed. I think temperature is also very important, I had it a lot last spring and early summer. Ideal times, it's not cold, neither is it too warm. (well, for the northern temperate climate people under us:D)

It's interesting I see something in the first post about facing the 'east' with your head. This is where I've seen light coming from during such states. I've once read about praying and the four directions of the wind.

Edit: Another tip, try to wake up in the middle of the night. Writing down your dreams can help to become more aware of your subconsciousness.

lakkimakki
01-02-2009, 08:54 PM
e i want to ask , whatz easiest way to exit?

tattwa ? rope? or hemi sync?

:confused:

darryl84
01-02-2009, 09:35 PM
e i want to ask , whatz easiest way to exit?

tattwa ? rope? or hemi sync?

:confused:

What do you do the tattwa and hemi sync techniques?

siphon880di
01-02-2009, 11:33 PM
hemi sync is something you listen to that knocks you down to the right brainwaves to exit. tattwa are the occultic symbols from ancient indian religion - don't know how they're used for astral travel though.

I find rope very effective for me personally.

merlincove
02-02-2009, 12:16 AM
In what way does it hurt and do you know why that would be?

You know that dream state thing that sometimes happens, as you are just moving into visuals, a moment of deep relaxation where you see yourself walking, along a roadside, a footpath and you trip over a raised kerb stone, a raised pebble or similar and jerk awake - your heart beating so hard it is almost coming out of your chest, do you know that one? I think i read some place that it is a common thing in early sleep?

That pain, that jerk, when i began sleepo time astral journeys, coming back in was sometimes like that. Often it was pre-accompanied by a sensation of falling for a long time and then BAM back into the body, jerk awake and pounding heart thing. Just like the trip, but worse, more intense.

i don't get that anymore, i can slip in and out easilly, very naturally, although i prefer to journey in the astral now in meditation as i find that way gives me more detailed memory. i have heard, although never experienced it, that we can bring objects back from the astral while meditating, and have been shown objects by a few people, very skilled people, that they have returned with, one was a clear quartz crystal and the other a shell, although i obviously have no way of proving these claims, just that i was shown them and told their stories.

i sometimes have scratches fetched from the astral in sleep time, even when i have filed my nails down so that i can not scratch myself (i question everything and try to look at thgings logically).

Hope that helps darryl?

peace

merlincove
02-02-2009, 12:18 AM
hemi sync is something you listen to that knocks you down to the right brainwaves to exit. tattwa are the occultic symbols from ancient indian religion - don't know how they're used for astral travel though.

I find rope very effective for me personally.

These are new ones on me also, different techniques work for different people, which is cool. There are many ways, i tend to fly with eagle spirit, or other, and often voyage with guides etc. i have known people use stairs and elevators, ladders and ropes :cool:

typenicknamehere
02-02-2009, 09:18 AM
For those who are experienced enough, are there any hazards to having an OBE,

like, is it possible to get stuck in the astral world and not be able to get back to your body? or does it take a toll on your physical body such as being very tired when you wake up?

also do things happen in real time, like is 1 hr of astral also 1 hr in physical reality? can you basically stay out of body for as long as you want?

im just asking these because I am now starting to think about inducing this experience for the first time, actually as I type this im downloading some binural beats which supposedly helps to have an OBE, although there seems to be plenty of people on this forum who can get to that state without this kind of help.

a few years back , I tried a method which did not work for me so I got very discouraged ,but hearing people using the same techniques and feeling effects after only a short period of time really excites me, though I will try not to have expectations of it happening so soon, so as to not get discouraged again, but I am really starting to want this experience and I hear that "wanting" to have one helps also as it makes you believe you can do it,

I tell you, if the likelihood of someone having an OBE was measured on how badly they wanted to have one, then I should be able to have one tonight ,but any advice on having an obe the quickest way possible would be appreciated ,are there any short cuts for fast results ,or is that not possible

academylin
02-02-2009, 09:40 AM
For those who are experienced enough, are there any hazards to having an OBE,

like, is it possible to get stuck in the astral world and not be able to get back to your body? or does it take a toll on your physical body such as being very tired when you wake up?

also do things happen in real time, like is 1 hr of astral also 1 hr in physical reality? can you basically stay out of body for as long as you want?

im just asking these because I am now starting to think about inducing this experience for the first time, actually as I type this im downloading some binural beats which supposedly helps to have an OBE, although there seems to be plenty of people on this forum who can get to that state without this kind of help.

a few years back , I tried a method which did not work for me so I got very discouraged ,but hearing people using the same techniques and feeling effects after only a short period of time really excites me, though I will try not to have expectations of it happening so soon, so as to not get discouraged again, but I am really starting to want this experience and I hear that "wanting" to have one helps also as it makes you believe you can do it,

I tell you, if the likelihood of someone having an OBE was measured on how badly they wanted to have one, then I should be able to have one tonight ,but any advice on having an obe the quickest way possible would be appreciated ,are there any short cuts for fast results ,or is that not possible



I don't think there are any particular hazards, only the mythological story re; getting chords tangled up with other souls out on their projection, or getting your cord cut whist you are out there, but this isn't going to happen as long as you don't take a pair of scissors with you! lol.

One thing which I discovered on an interesting account last night, was that if you are new and attempting to leave, as you enter the state required, - if you then so much as move any limb in your physical body - whether deliberately or by accident, all attempts to exit will cease!

I suspected this from some lucid theta states which I have been examining, and I'm pleased to have had it confirmed, cos I don't want to project yet..... therefore if I get too close to the voyaging state again, all I got to do is wiggle my toe!
I have heard that "wanting" to gets you half way there too, typenicknamehere.

Good luck.

Keep us updated!

Linx;)

darryl84
02-02-2009, 10:53 AM
You know that dream state thing that sometimes happens, as you are just moving into visuals, a moment of deep relaxation where you see yourself walking, along a roadside, a footpath and you trip over a raised kerb stone, a raised pebble or similar and jerk awake - your heart beating so hard it is almost coming out of your chest, do you know that one? I think i read some place that it is a common thing in early sleep?

That pain, that jerk, when i began sleepo time astral journeys, coming back in was sometimes like that. Often it was pre-accompanied by a sensation of falling for a long time and then BAM back into the body, jerk awake and pounding heart thing. Just like the trip, but worse, more intense.

i don't get that anymore, i can slip in and out easilly, very naturally, although i prefer to journey in the astral now in meditation as i find that way gives me more detailed memory. i have heard, although never experienced it, that we can bring objects back from the astral while meditating, and have been shown objects by a few people, very skilled people, that they have returned with, one was a clear quartz crystal and the other a shell, although i obviously have no way of proving these claims, just that i was shown them and told their stories.

i sometimes have scratches fetched from the astral in sleep time, even when i have filed my nails down so that i can not scratch myself (i question everything and try to look at thgings logically).

Hope that helps darryl?

peace


Yes, that helped. Thank you. :)

merlincove
02-02-2009, 02:22 PM
For those who are experienced enough, are there any hazards to having an OBE,

like, is it possible to get stuck in the astral world and not be able to get back to your body? or does it take a toll on your physical body such as being very tired when you wake up?

also do things happen in real time, like is 1 hr of astral also 1 hr in physical reality? can you basically stay out of body for as long as you want?

im just asking these because I am now starting to think about inducing this experience for the first time, actually as I type this im downloading some binural beats which supposedly helps to have an OBE, although there seems to be plenty of people on this forum who can get to that state without this kind of help.

a few years back , I tried a method which did not work for me so I got very discouraged ,but hearing people using the same techniques and feeling effects after only a short period of time really excites me, though I will try not to have expectations of it happening so soon, so as to not get discouraged again, but I am really starting to want this experience and I hear that "wanting" to have one helps also as it makes you believe you can do it,

I tell you, if the likelihood of someone having an OBE was measured on how badly they wanted to have one, then I should be able to have one tonight ,but any advice on having an obe the quickest way possible would be appreciated ,are there any short cuts for fast results ,or is that not possible

Hi typo :-)

firstly i'd suggest that you relax and let it happen, you seem very eager to experience obe, which is cool but can also be a block in itself. When you drive, or when you walk you will do so naturally, it is difficult to foce yourself to walk, and likewise you can't push obe, just take your time and you will be fine.

i know it may be frustrating, but just bear with it. Mediatate every day, perhaps at night before you go to sleep to calm your mental and emotional responses, maybe exercise a little to tire yourself out, stil your mind and let it happen, don't try to push it.

The more you push for it the more you will push the experience away.

i know that this is not perhaps what you want to hear right now, but hopefully if you back off from it and let it happen then you will see more benefit and have a nicer experience.

Unfortunately there are hazards. Sorry, but there are. It wouldn't be fair saying that there aren't any. Entities / energies exist in the astral, so be aware of anyone or anything that you meet. First and foremost have no fear, they can only hurt you if you allow them to. Carry light with you and perhaps if you can align yourself with your guides, angelic light, and Christ consciousness then have these as allies. Just in case.

Don't worry though, you are unlikely to meet with eight foot tall lizard vampires. No doubt you'll meet them eventually, but not until they see you as equal in strength to them. lol

Your guides will keep you safe, don't worry, really they will be your tour guide and aid and will keep you safe at all times. They'll pull you out of anything when they need to, and return you to your body safely.

The astral is a beautiful place, you wont want to come back sometimes and will spend all day smiling, even if you can not recall the experience you will know that you have been touched by something very beautiful and special. You will be on a high that is better than any drug, and i mean any drug. Without the side effects :cool:

Time is kinda relative too, because remember time does not exist, just the sequential happenings of one thing after another, that we as humans map with a thing called time. In the astral, beyond the dimension of man, time does not happen. The sequential happenings do, of course, but the map of time has no bearing. You may journey for an hour within sleep time and experience a whole day in the astral, and vice versa, a minute there may be an hour here. There are no hard or fast rules re time, i feel.

i have never known chords being tangled, though that is not to say that it doesn't or can't happen, just that it has never happened to me. Nor have i known anyone to ever get lost there or fail to return.

To try with you might like to try sitting on your roof, out of body, while you lie in bed. Look at the world around you, watch and view the happenings of the night. You could do this for a few nights, and if you see anything unusual then try to collate what you have seen in the real world, check with people perhaps - in this way you have a solid back up to what you saw, out smarting the imaginative process :-) i find that this works well, for the first few times and gives people the affirmation and sensations of obe. From here go a little further afield, maybe the local church, allow your consciousness to move / fly there while you lay in bed. Contact your guide base, ask them to journey with you at this time, to watch over you and keep you safe. Find your way back home, this is important, follow the trace of you, you will see it, it will be recognizable. If you can't see or sense that at first, then you will be able to ‘walk’ home from the familiar landmark in your town. Do this again for a few days until your eyes adjust themselves to seeing your trace / chord. When you feel comfortable that you can find your way home, then the astral really is your oyster. I hope that helps. Small steps at first, like learning to walk, you walk from one thing to another, keeping close to what you know (your house) before going further afield, and then you are ready for the 100 metres and so on…

Sorry for such a long post, just can’t stop writing sometimes.

Peace to all.

siphon880di
03-02-2009, 12:58 AM
I give my kudos to merlingcove. I agree with everything he said.

My throat chakra use to hurt whenever I try to get out my body, but through meditation, and giving up on OBE for a while, in the end I can finally do it. And I still can.

But he's right about the astral entities as well. That's where I saw my first reptilian. And that's where I saw many reptilians and grays! The majority of them ill-treated me when they could. If it weren't for those experiences, I wouldn't be here on this board.

Do not go on OBE trips if you are depressed, unhealthy, or the day caught you in a bad mood.


Hi typo :-)

firstly i'd suggest that you relax and let it happen, you seem very eager to experience obe, which is cool but can also be a block in itself. When you drive, or when you walk you will do so naturally, it is difficult to foce yourself to walk, and likewise you can't push obe, just take your time and you will be fine.

i know it may be frustrating, but just bear with it. Mediatate every day, perhaps at night before you go to sleep to calm your mental and emotional responses, maybe exercise a little to tire yourself out, stil your mind and let it happen, don't try to push it.

The more you push for it the more you will push the experience away.

i know that this is not perhaps what you want to hear right now, but hopefully if you back off from it and let it happen then you will see more benefit and have a nicer experience.

Unfortunately there are hazards. Sorry, but there are. It wouldn't be fair saying that there aren't any. Entities / energies exist in the astral, so be aware of anyone or anything that you meet. First and foremost have no fear, they can only hurt you if you allow them to. Carry light with you and perhaps if you can align yourself with your guides, angelic light, and Christ consciousness then have these as allies. Just in case.

Don't worry though, you are unlikely to meet with eight foot tall lizard vampires. No doubt you'll meet them eventually, but not until they see you as equal in strength to them. lol

Your guides will keep you safe, don't worry, really they will be your tour guide and aid and will keep you safe at all times. They'll pull you out of anything when they need to, and return you to your body safely.

The astral is a beautiful place, you wont want to come back sometimes and will spend all day smiling, even if you can not recall the experience you will know that you have been touched by something very beautiful and special. You will be on a high that is better than any drug, and i mean any drug. Without the side effects :cool:

Time is kinda relative too, because remember time does not exist, just the sequential happenings of one thing after another, that we as humans map with a thing called time. In the astral, beyond the dimension of man, time does not happen. The sequential happenings do, of course, but the map of time has no bearing. You may journey for an hour within sleep time and experience a whole day in the astral, and vice versa, a minute there may be an hour here. There are no hard or fast rules re time, i feel.

i have never known chords being tangled, though that is not to say that it doesn't or can't happen, just that it has never happened to me. Nor have i known anyone to ever get lost there or fail to return.

To try with you might like to try sitting on your roof, out of body, while you lie in bed. Look at the world around you, watch and view the happenings of the night. You could do this for a few nights, and if you see anything unusual then try to collate what you have seen in the real world, check with people perhaps - in this way you have a solid back up to what you saw, out smarting the imaginative process :-) i find that this works well, for the first few times and gives people the affirmation and sensations of obe. From here go a little further afield, maybe the local church, allow your consciousness to move / fly there while you lay in bed. Contact your guide base, ask them to journey with you at this time, to watch over you and keep you safe. Find your way back home, this is important, follow the trace of you, you will see it, it will be recognizable. If you can't see or sense that at first, then you will be able to ‘walk’ home from the familiar landmark in your town. Do this again for a few days until your eyes adjust themselves to seeing your trace / chord. When you feel comfortable that you can find your way home, then the astral really is your oyster. I hope that helps. Small steps at first, like learning to walk, you walk from one thing to another, keeping close to what you know (your house) before going further afield, and then you are ready for the 100 metres and so on…

Sorry for such a long post, just can’t stop writing sometimes.

Peace to all.

measle_weasel
16-08-2009, 04:28 PM
Good thread!

guuna
16-04-2012, 10:05 PM
You know that dream state thing that sometimes happens, as you are just moving into visuals, a moment of deep relaxation where you see yourself walking, along a roadside, a footpath and you trip over a raised kerb stone, a raised pebble or similar and jerk awake - your heart beating so hard it is almost coming out of your chest, do you know that one? I think i read some place that it is a common thing in early sleep?

That pain, that jerk, when i began sleepo time astral journeys, coming back in was sometimes like that. Often it was pre-accompanied by a sensation of falling for a long time and then BAM back into the body, jerk awake and pounding heart thing. Just like the trip, but worse, more intense.

i don't get that anymore, i can slip in and out easilly, very naturally, although i prefer to journey in the astral now in meditation as i find that way gives me more detailed memory. i have heard, although never experienced it, that we can bring objects back from the astral while meditating, and have been shown objects by a few people, very skilled people, that they have returned with, one was a clear quartz crystal and the other a shell, although i obviously have no way of proving these claims, just that i was shown them and told their stories.

i sometimes have scratches fetched from the astral in sleep time, even when i have filed my nails down so that i can not scratch myself (i question everything and try to look at thgings logically).

Hope that helps darryl?

peace

would it be possible to bring back something really awesome as proof, like a chunk of the sphinx or a piece of Mars rock (that could be proven and tested.)?

academylin
19-04-2012, 02:43 PM
would it be possible to bring back something really awesome as proof, like a chunk of the sphinx or a piece of Mars rock (that could be proven and tested.)?

Hiya,

since this thread began I have read many researches into astral.

I would reccomend something by Robert Munroe

hassid
23-04-2012, 02:10 AM
You wouldn't need to go so far to prove ap, just 'project' to somewhere far and be able to describe what you saw.

If you're in London why don't you just 'visit' a show in Birmingham then later tell someone about it. This could easily be verified.

Hell, just describe me. I challenge any of the so-called 'successful projectors' to write here on this forum what I look like. I'll even give you an exact address where you can find me if you just tell me when you want to project (as long as I'm not at home then - I'm not giving some nutter my home address).

The whole thing is a load of bunkum.

ashangel
24-04-2012, 01:04 AM
You wouldn't need to go so far to prove ap, just 'project' to somewhere far and be able to describe what you saw.

If you're in London why don't you just 'visit' a show in Birmingham then later tell someone about it. This could easily be verified.

Hell, just describe me. I challenge any of the so-called 'successful projectors' to write here on this forum what I look like. I'll even give you an exact address where you can find me if you just tell me when you want to project (as long as I'm not at home then - I'm not giving some nutter my home address).

The whole thing is a load of bunkum.

Is this because you have actually tried it and failed, done any research or perhaps just because you are unfornate enough to be religious or massively left brained and so refute it on the grounds that you have no connecting point within your reality matrix from which to comprehend it?

Indulge me I'm curious of the definitiveness of your reply.

hassid
24-04-2012, 03:31 AM
Instead of discussing my religion or brain, or indeed if ap is achievable, why don't you actually pick up the challenge?

Prove that it can be done and I'll publicly retract my words and eat humble pie. Until then it's no more than a fantasy. There onus is not on me to do research etc., but on those who claim it can be done to prove it.

I've seen a 7-headed, 29-footed unicorn with gold teeth and he told me there are plenty more of his kind. You don't believe me? You must be narrow-minded and left-brained.

guuna
24-04-2012, 12:26 PM
Instead of discussing my religion or brain, or indeed if ap is achievable, why don't you actually pick up the challenge?

Prove that it can be done and I'll publicly retract my words and eat humble pie. Until then it's no more than a fantasy. There onus is not on me to do research etc., but on those who claim it can be done to prove it.

I've seen a 7-headed, 29-footed unicorn with gold teeth and he told me there are plenty more of his kind. You don't believe me? You must be narrow-minded and left-brained.

:rolleyes:

merlincove
24-04-2012, 03:47 PM
Instead of discussing my religion or brain, or indeed if ap is achievable, why don't you actually pick up the challenge?

Prove that it can be done and I'll publicly retract my words and eat humble pie. Until then it's no more than a fantasy. There onus is not on me to do research etc., but on those who claim it can be done to prove it.

I've seen a 7-headed, 29-footed unicorn with gold teeth and he told me there are plenty more of his kind. You don't believe me? You must be narrow-minded and left-brained.

If you believe that Astral Projection is simply projecting into someones room to see what they look like, you are sorely mistaken.

AP is not about parlor tricks.

The external world (middle world) is a sidestep from the physical, the world we enter in dream-state, external anchors exist in the middle world in the same way as they do in our experience of the 3d - anchors such as gravity - some of those anchors can be changed, broken, their attachment nulled through experience.

The middle world is simply a very clearly defined expression of the Astral, it has similar rules to the 3d...... The lower and upper realms of the Astral are where it is all at for many......

Typically one's experience within all three realms are based on their ability to detach from programmes - attachments form barriers, the less attachments to programmes one has, then the greater the spiritual experience one is able to develop.

Attachment to the physical - ie projecting into a room to have a nosey around is a limit in and of itself.

Believe it or do not, i'm sure no one really cares for your concept of left brain bunkum, this is your own limitation. It's up to you to either get over it or accept it, it doesn't need to be part of anyone else reality.

The only proof that you would ever accept is that which you experience, or which you do not experience.

lakkimakki
24-04-2012, 04:30 PM
-And you can tell all your friends that you astral-projected into another dimension. They will all think your so cool and perfectly normal. -

hassid
24-04-2012, 04:56 PM
Despite understanding every single word you wrote I haven't the foggiest what you're on about. Pray define it for me; what exactly does astral projection mean?

Can you see? Can you hover? Can you fly? Can you travel great distances using only the power of thought?

According to the OP you can do all of the above and more - in which case it should be quite simple to prove. Do you disagree and/or have a different definition of AP?

merlincove
25-04-2012, 01:16 AM
Despite understanding every single word you wrote I haven't the foggiest what you're on about. Pray define it for me; what exactly does astral projection mean?

Can you see? Can you hover? Can you fly? Can you travel great distances using only the power of thought?

According to the OP you can do all of the above and more - in which case it should be quite simple to prove. Do you disagree and/or have a different definition of AP?

Yopu have already made your mind up, it's bunkum, remember :rolleyes:

Why ask that i define it when you have dissmissed it so readilly?

If you wish to know more, then..... Relax, focus the mind, and voyage to the Astral yourself.

Let yourself go......

As you profess, it isn't left brain bunkum.... Nor right brain bunkum......

The brain does not exist within the spirit.... It's a physical thing. Focus on physical things, be they programmes / habits / attachments etc limit ones ability of expression...... Let them go :)

explorationer
25-04-2012, 08:21 AM
Have amongst other wierd dream states over the years had sleep peralasis on a regular basis and recently instead of fighting to be awake now tell myself to project which seems to be in a direction of my choice after being sucked back into dream state. Have only done this 3 times since my discovery but looking forward to next encounter which I will not try to induce but will wait for it to happen naturally.

Don't recall the guys name and am only half way through it at the moment but that new book ' avenues of the human spirit' is worth a read.

hassid
25-04-2012, 06:19 PM
Yopu have already made your mind up, it's bunkum, remember :rolleyes:

Why ask that i define it when you have dissmissed it so readilly?

If you wish to know more, then..... Relax, focus the mind, and voyage to the Astral yourself.

Let yourself go......

As you profess, it isn't left brain bunkum.... Nor right brain bunkum......

The brain does not exist within the spirit.... It's a physical thing. Focus on physical things, be they programmes / habits / attachments etc limit ones ability of expression...... Let them go :)

Yet again a lot of waffle with zero substance.

I'll try to break down my point so even you will be able to understand.

The vast majority of human beings will redily admit that they cannot see souls or astrally projected people. Most will also agree that they have never AP'd.

Now some people (one might even say delusional people) claim the AP is possible (and they've even done it themselves).

To this I say BULLSHIT! And most of humanity will agree with that statement. I am not being narrow minded etc. with this opinion - it's just that you've expressed a ludicrous idea with no evidence or proof to back it up. Zilch.

If I claim I regulaly fly to the moon and snack on its cheese, one cannot be automatically branded narrow minded for not believing me. For if I want to make such a ludicrous claim I have to back it with hard evidence.

With AP, so far as I've read, there's no evidence whatsoever. Therefore when one claims that it is possible he is the one being ridiculous and the onus is upon him to prove it.

Of course I can state with absolute sureness that AP is bunkum - kust as I cannot state with absolute sureness that 7-headed, 2-footed unicorns don't exist. But I think even you would agree that one cannot be branded narrow minded for refusing to believe in the aforementioned unicorns. Well, how is AP different?

My challenge remains: If it really is possible can you (or anyone else) prove it is real by describing events that occur in a different place than you physical body? If not, why not?

BTW, even if many people claim that they've done it and for argument's sake we'll accept that they're not all lying, it does no consitute evidence. It might well be that after meditating/relaxing etc. many people simply halucinate leaving their bodies. Evidence would mean describing something your physical body couldn't possibly have seen.

lakkimakki
25-04-2012, 07:41 PM
I can prove it to you .

Yet again a lot of waffle with zero substance.

I'll try to break down my point so even you will be able to understand.

The vast majority of human beings will redily admit that they cannot see souls or astrally projected people. Most will also agree that they have never AP'd.

Now some people (one might even say delusional people) claim the AP is possible (and they've even done it themselves).

To this I say BULLSHIT! And most of humanity will agree with that statement. I am not being narrow minded etc. with this opinion - it's just that you've expressed a ludicrous idea with no evidence or proof to back it up. Zilch.

If I claim I regulaly fly to the moon and snack on its cheese, one cannot be automatically branded narrow minded for not believing me. For if I want to make such a ludicrous claim I have to back it with hard evidence.

With AP, so far as I've read, there's no evidence whatsoever. Therefore when one claims that it is possible he is the one being ridiculous and the onus is upon him to prove it.

Of course I can state with absolute sureness that AP is bunkum - kust as I cannot state with absolute sureness that 7-headed, 2-footed unicorns don't exist. But I think even you would agree that one cannot be branded narrow minded for refusing to believe in the aforementioned unicorns. Well, how is AP different?

My challenge remains: If it really is possible can you (or anyone else) prove it is real by describing events that occur in a different place than you physical body? If not, why not?

BTW, even if many people claim that they've done it and for argument's sake we'll accept that they're not all lying, it does no consitute evidence. It might well be that after meditating/relaxing etc. many people simply halucinate leaving their bodies. Evidence would mean describing something your physical body couldn't possibly have seen.

hassid
25-04-2012, 08:49 PM
Please do. How.

lakkimakki
25-04-2012, 09:45 PM
Please do. How.

Print this pic out, or make your own (using paint).

http://i47.tinypic.com/ek55aa.jpg

1) Find a quiet place where you will not be disturbed.
2) Sit comfortably with a card positioned at an appropriate distance.
3) Gaze fixedly at the tattva symbol for like 3 min. Try not to blink.
4) Breathe in the image deeply and regularly
5) Close your eyes and image will start glowing strongly in your minds eye
6) Look steadily till it disappears

Work with it before going to bed.

Once you wake up in the morning in the hypnagogic state.... ....keep your eyes closed.....remember the image that you saw before. visualize , make it reappear. Start looking at it it will kinda-- lock on you-- and it wil start pulling you up. Out of your body.... Strange feeling you never felt it before, you wil wake up because you will shit yourself out of fear.


Try it out for like one week. Once it locks on you and starts pulling you up youl change your mind.:)

merlincove
26-04-2012, 01:13 AM
Yet again a lot of waffle with zero substance.

I'll try to break down my point so even you will be able to understand.

The vast majority of human beings will redily admit that they cannot see souls or astrally projected people. Most will also agree that they have never AP'd.

Now some people (one might even say delusional people) claim the AP is possible (and they've even done it themselves).

To this I say BULLSHIT! And most of humanity will agree with that statement. I am not being narrow minded etc. with this opinion - it's just that you've expressed a ludicrous idea with no evidence or proof to back it up. Zilch.

If I claim I regulaly fly to the moon and snack on its cheese, one cannot be automatically branded narrow minded for not believing me. For if I want to make such a ludicrous claim I have to back it with hard evidence.

With AP, so far as I've read, there's no evidence whatsoever. Therefore when one claims that it is possible he is the one being ridiculous and the onus is upon him to prove it.

Of course I can state with absolute sureness that AP is bunkum - kust as I cannot state with absolute sureness that 7-headed, 2-footed unicorns don't exist. But I think even you would agree that one cannot be branded narrow minded for refusing to believe in the aforementioned unicorns. Well, how is AP different?

My challenge remains: If it really is possible can you (or anyone else) prove it is real by describing events that occur in a different place than you physical body? If not, why not?

BTW, even if many people claim that they've done it and for argument's sake we'll accept that they're not all lying, it does no consitute evidence. It might well be that after meditating/relaxing etc. many people simply halucinate leaving their bodies. Evidence would mean describing something your physical body couldn't possibly have seen.

You seem to think that i owe you something. i do not.

i do not have to prove anything to you.

There is nothing like experience, i suggest that you enter experience, that is all. That you choose to see my suggestion as "waffle with zero substance" says more about you than it does my suggestion.

i do not care if you think my ideas are batshit crazy bunkum or not, it matters little to me what you choose to consider worthy or otherwise.

Your reality is your reality, i have no wish to credit it with aspects of mine that you have already dismissed.

Again, i do not have to prove anything - but i have suggested that you experience it yourself, because only through your own experience will you be able to fully embrace what the Astral is. Choose to experience it if you wish, or disregard it, your choice matters little to me.

hassid
26-04-2012, 05:22 PM
I am not really addressing my comments to you as you are a 'persuader'. You've (probably) persuaded yourself that AP is real and now you're trying to persuade others.

The reason I commented is so that some gullible person who reads about AP and really thinks it's possible, should know that it's a load of BS. I want to protect suceptible people from charlatans who try to make fools out of them, telling them how to meditate ets. in order to achieve the unachieveable.

Later when it doesn't work they blame themselves and convince themselves that somehow they're not doing it right. Or else they persuade themselves that they 'felt something' (tingling, 'energy' etc.).


I'm here to say: DON'T FALL FOR IT!!!

When someone tries to sell you AP just ask for proof (I gave a good example of what would constitute proof). If the proponents of AP can't deliver the proof just see it for what it really is - BUNKUM!

whiterain
26-04-2012, 07:31 PM
I am not really addressing my comments to you as you are a 'persuader'. You've (probably) persuaded yourself that AP is real and now you're trying to persuade others.

The reason I commented is so that some gullible person who reads about AP and really thinks it's possible, should know that it's a load of BS. I want to protect suceptible people from charlatans who try to make fools out of them, telling them how to meditate ets. in order to achieve the unachieveable.

Later when it doesn't work they blame themselves and convince themselves that somehow they're not doing it right. Or else they persuade themselves that they 'felt something' (tingling, 'energy' etc.).


I'm here to say: DON'T FALL FOR IT!!!

When someone tries to sell you AP just ask for proof (I gave a good example of what would constitute proof). If the proponents of AP can't deliver the proof just see it for what it really is - BUNKUM!

yeah we get it, you don't believe in it. now can u stop spamming this good thread with the same post over and over.

i have no idea how possible it is to project into reality, but its 100% possible to project into a dream that completely resembles your locality.

for anyone actually interested in it from an open minded perspective, yet get put off by the terminology, try researching Wake Induced Lucid Dreams or WILDs. its a way of looking at the process of projection from a pretty straightforward, understandable and demystified perspective

merlincove
26-04-2012, 11:24 PM
I am not really addressing my comments to you as you are a 'persuader'. You've (probably) persuaded yourself that AP is real and now you're trying to persuade others.

The reason I commented is so that some gullible person who reads about AP and really thinks it's possible, should know that it's a load of BS. I want to protect suceptible people from charlatans who try to make fools out of them, telling them how to meditate ets. in order to achieve the unachieveable.

Later when it doesn't work they blame themselves and convince themselves that somehow they're not doing it right. Or else they persuade themselves that they 'felt something' (tingling, 'energy' etc.).


I'm here to say: DON'T FALL FOR IT!!!

When someone tries to sell you AP just ask for proof (I gave a good example of what would constitute proof). If the proponents of AP can't deliver the proof just see it for what it really is - BUNKUM!

i'm not persuading anyone, nor trying - and nor for that matter was i persuaded.

i've posted here and elsewhere, i was Astral traveling before i could walk, and have a lot of memory recall of OBE's as a child - now how can one persuade oneself of something that their mind does not know exists?

Keep on doubting, you are only re-enforcing your own prison.

But please, if you think it's bunkum, create your own thread and tell us why in that thread rather than spam this one.

I'm not sure why you choose to attempt to undermine others' experiences and take up a stance of feeling that your POV is of more worth or value than those who experience Astral projection simply because you do or can not.

How dare you ridicule others' perspectives when you have not experienced that perspective, when you do not know nor wish to understand their expressions - what gives you that right?

Oh, you think you are saving someone - saving them from what exactly? Saving them from experiencing a deeper and more emotionally connected to source aspect of themselves, saving them from a point of view that affords a greater view and comprehension of the deep-seated control mechanisms that drive the word? lol @ you as a savior :)

i suggest that you take a look at your own reality before ridiculing others :)

and, like i say, if you wish to debunk it, make a thread, debunk it there rather than try and ruin a perfectly good discussion.