Do you believe shape shifters exist?

[free canada]

How many of us actually believe that shape shifters really exist?

i just want to get a feel for it. David Icke gives us alot of information that i am sure is fact based, but what is the point of all the facts and conspiracies if at the end of the story you are to believe that it is a shape shifter who pulls the strings instead of a group of people who where born just like you and i who get together and write books on what they plan to do, get together at NGO meetings and say openly what they are going to do and then do exactly what they have said they where going to do. Wouldn't that be a better way of trying to get people to open there minds and break the programming that they have been subjected to? my guess is yes.

i too was taken off to a fantasy land with lots of twists and turns only to sound like total idiot to most people when i was trying to explain to them what i had learned about the reality that we are in. I find it much easier now to explain to people what is going on with facts that i can show to them in plain site and the information isn't even hard to find or hidden in any way.

anyway just wanted to get your ideas to see how many of us have seen through all the BS and can see this circus we call conspiracy for what it really is, just a circus.

[free canada]

just for the moderators sake i am not attacking david icke or you in any way i am just trying to get a feel for what the forum users are going through as i have gone through some changes in my journey that's all. so don't ban me or delete my thread please. i am just here to talk to like minded people and figure this whole thing out like everyone else.

peace

[friendsinthesky]

i just want to get a feel for it. David Icke gives us alot of information that i am sure is fact based, but what is the point of all the facts and conspiracies if at the end of the story you are to believe that it is a shape shifter who pulls the strings instead of a group of people who where born just like you and i who get together and write books on what they plan to do,

So, are you saying that you "believe" shape shifters exist through other peoples fact, or are you saying that from your own personal perspective that they exist?

[allure]

As David has said, he goes where the information takes him and doesn't edit himself in fear of what the reactions of others might be.

[free canada]

So, are you saying that you "believe" shape shifters exist through other peoples fact, or are you saying that from your own personal perspective that they exist?


no i DO NOT believe they exist at all. i just want ot get a feel for who does thats all.

i think it is just another tactic by the PTB to make people look like idiots when we open our mouths to tell people about wtf is really going on in the world.

[ownoiz]

The only person i have seen shapeshift regularly is Oprah.

Thats not to say i dont think they exist, remember the Socrates quotes:

"True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us."

"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."


Fat oprah, thin oprah, fat oprah, thin oprah....
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[runlikehell]

Apparently Shamans have been Shapeshifting for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. With and without the aid psychedelic plants.

[pinkfreud]

you're right when you say there's a lack of evidence out there to convince people shapeshifters exist. i haven't seen people shapeshift, but i strongly believe that other 'alien' beings- like reptilians- do exist. i have seen dark forces when i was a kid and it isn't a very pleasant experience to remember. i was also listening to the paranormal investigator heidi hollis two days before and she said entities that cannot be seen in this dimension can change their appearance to either makes themselves visible or 'hide' in the presence of humans.


The only person i have seen shapeshift regularly is Oprah.

Thats not to say i dont think they exist, remember the Socrates quotes:

"True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us."

"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."


Fat oprah, thin oprah, fat oprah, thin oprah....
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ownoiz, are you saying that because of her weight problems or have you personally seen her shapeshift- whether in person or in a video?

edit: i thought oprah was mind controlled- didn't know she was a reptilian or something.

[friendsinthesky]

no i DO NOT believe they exist at all. i just want ot get a feel for who does thats all.

i think it is just another tactic by the PTB to make people look like idiots when we open our mouths to tell people about wtf is really going on in the world.

Oh ok, thanks for the clarity. I can't say I've seen a shape shifter, although I'm sure it's possible but I'm not governed by the reality of facts presented to Icke or similar.

(but I doubt seeing Janet Jackson's eyes turn to cat like is a shifter)

[ownoiz]

ownoiz, are you saying that because of her weight problems or have you personally seen her shapeshift- whether in person or in a video?

edit: i thought oprah was mind controlled- didn't know she was a reptilian or something.

Hello pinkfreud, I havent seen anyone shapeshift, my comments were in jest, a reference to the media always commenting about her 'changing shape' (yes because she puts weight on and off all the time) Apologies for the confusion :)

On a serious note.... i understand when critics say that the 'reptile/shapeshift' idea is tactic by the PTB to make people look like idiots when we open our mouths to tell people about wtf is really going on in the world.

But on the other hand look at the Socrates quotes and think for a minute..do we really know that the only things that exist on this planet are things visible to the naked eye?
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[pinkfreud]

Hello pinkfreud, I havent seen anyone shapeshift, my comments were in jest, a reference to the media always commenting about her 'changing shape' (yes because she puts weight on and off all the time) Apologies for the confusion :)

On a serious note.... i understand when critics say that the 'reptile/shapeshift' idea is tactic by the PTB to make people look like idiots when we open our mouths to tell people about wtf is really going on in the world.

But on the other hand look at the Socrates quotes and think for a minute..do we really know that the only things that exist on this planet are things visible to the naked eye?
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oh, sorry for the misunderstanding :o and i'm totally with you on the socrates bit. but try telling that to people out there lol... it's no wonder you have comments like these (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1235) made against people on this forum.

see comment #5 onwards.

[ownoiz]

comments like these (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1235)

From your link: "His 'website headlines' are more hate fuelled than any of the people he criticises."

This guys credability goes right out the window at this point, he is dead wrong here, what he is saying is that DI's comments are more hate fuelled than the people he criticises, those same people whose policies and actions, some of which was based on circumstantial evidence which later turned out to be false, have resulted in the slaughtering of hundreds of thousands of people in the wars and occupations of the last two decades or so.

Who is the real con man in that article?
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[pinkfreud]

From your link: "His 'website headlines' are more hate fuelled than any of the people he criticises."

This guys credability goes right out the window at this point, he is dead wrong here, what he is saying is that DI's comments are more hate fuelled than the people he criticises, those same people whose policies and actions, some of which was based on circumstantial evidence which later turned out to be false, have resulted in the slaughtering of hundreds of thousands of people in the wars and occupations of the last two decades or so.

Who is the real con man in that article?
.

i really have no clue ownoiz. i was having a problem with signing in yesterday, i thought the site was down or something so i googled 'moon landings' just to read up on other sites and this came up a few pages ahead. but i noticed one of the people there is a banned guy from here.

well, those are exactly the kind of reactions one would get when talking about reptilian shapeshifters. if people can get so inflamed when presented with the truth about the illuminati i wonder what they are capable of saying when told about reptilians/orions/sirians.

[romas]

Like D. Icke said it's not the object that's shape shifting, but your own preception of it :D

[ownoiz]

well, those are exactly the kind of reactions one would get when talking about reptilian shapeshifters. if people can get so inflamed when presented with the truth about the illuminati i wonder what they are capable of saying when told about reptilians/orions/sirians.

Which brings us back to the argument of what the best way is to inform of the NWO/illuminati?

There is much physical evidence of a NWO or one world government agenda, you can see it in policies, in actions and in quotes from people like David Rockefeller. I can see it for myself.

There is little to no physical evidence of Reptilians, most of the evidence is in historical references and text and eyewitness accounts.

Physical evidence is the only thing that will stop attacks from skeptics.
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[darketernal]

Which brings us back to the argument of what the best way is to inform of the NWO/illuminati?

There is much physical evidence of a NWO or one world government agenda, you can see it in policies, in actions and in quotes from people like David Rockefeller. I can see it for myself.

There is little to no physical evidence of Reptilians, most of the evidence is in historical references and text and eyewitness accounts.

Physical evidence is the only thing that will stop attacks from skeptics.
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Anything you can present that skeptics will accept also not yield results. This is the design of the prison humanity is in. The truth is so vastly different from the average person's perception of what is going on, that if you bring the data down to a level they can grasp, it has to be distorted to a point of uselessness... thus making it completely impossible to wake up someone deeply programed by the system to the nature of the prison they are in, until they have awaked themselves enough to be able to understand.

You are not going to "wake up" anyone, because that is not in the nature of the social and genetic programing ingrained into people. All we can do is present information, even if that information is far fetched, and allow them to process it on their own...

[free canada]

Anything you can present that skeptics will accept also not yield results. This is the design of the prison humanity is in. The truth is so vastly different from the average person's perception of what is going on, that if you bring the data down to a level they can grasp, it has to be distorted to a point of uselessness... thus making it completely impossible to wake up someone deeply programed by the system to the nature of the prison they are in, until they have awaked themselves enough to be able to understand.

You are not going to "wake up" anyone, because that is not in the nature of the social and genetic programing ingrained into people. All we can do is present information, even if that information is far fetched, and allow them to process it on their own...


i understand what you are saying, but isn't it more fesable that TPTB have such a stranglehold on the system that the counter interigence they command can get people to be so full of useless DATA that they eventually can't decern fact from fiction.

[limelady]

oh, sorry for the misunderstanding :o and i'm totally with you on the socrates bit. but try telling that to people out there lol... it's no wonder you have comments like these (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1235) made against people on this forum.

see comment #5 onwards.


Yes, the banned member on the sceptics forum from here is none other than our dear friend (oops....I nearly wrote fiend! :eek:) tiswas. :D

Nobody took her very seriously......quite a whacky poster to say the least, and quite likely a made-up personality to boot. But here's the fun part....after all those posts she made elsewhere where she totally slam-dunked this forum telling anybody and everybody who would listen how very vile we all are, she then set about the task of getting back in here.....and BOY did she try hard! :D

As for the rest of the posters on that forum? Well its probably best to leave them to their boxes.....if they want to think us all mad and it makes them feel better to do so, then do we really care that much?

Better to just get on and do what we can to spark a bit of interest in those whose minds are open enough to allow something to filter in. :)

[darketernal]

i understand what you are saying, but isn't it more fesable that TPTB have such a stranglehold on the system that the counter interigence they command can get people to be so full of useless DATA that they eventually can't decern fact from fiction.

Yes, information overload is a standard methof of disinformation.

However the data pumped into the mainstream is such a massive amount of useless data that anyone who believes much of it, that the average person cannot decern fact from fiction. ;)

[boots]

If anyone really doubts the existence of a alien force, be it grays or reptilians. Then first off look at history. Then think of the infinite space that this earth inhabits, in this galaxy called the milky way and the millions of suns here. Now dont you think that there are other races of "people" who would be more advanced than us, spiritually and technologically. If you were in a position of power would you not want everyone to have peace? So what invades the mind of those in power? Is it their reptilian brain? There are many clues out there for us to see and maybe this is one of them.


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[ablaze]

Like D. Icke said it's not the object that's shape shifting, but your own preception of it :D

There is no spoon.

:cool:

[friendsinthesky]

There is no spoon.

:cool:

How can there be no spoon when you have acknowledged there is a spoon?

[ownoiz]

How can there be no spoon when you have acknowledged there is a spoon?

:eek:

[gribz]

The only person i have seen shapeshift regularly is Oprah.

....
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Never heard of Michael Jackson then?? He has shifted more than anyone right infront of us for years!! :)

Seriously, Im open to this. I have always found certain "famous" people a bit surreal and thought they could be designed.

But i also think there maybe 2 types of people with different backgrounds - from reptiles and apes with the reptiles being those who David talks about and have no empathy unless they are taught / trained / brainwashed to have it. It would certainly explain people with a personality disorder.

Or they may also just be an alien force and in certain people!

Anything is possible!

[ownoiz]

Never heard of Michael Jackson then?? He has shifted more than anyone right infront of us for years!! :)

:D

[resistance]

it's no wonder you have comments like these (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1235) made against people on this forum.

see comment #5 onwards.

:D I notice that tiswas and other ex DI forum members are on that forum..TBO i don't buy the shapeshifting reptilian theories either. With any conspiracy theory you have to decipher the good from the lunacy/dis-info, and there are many.

[orbandsceptre27]

Apparently Shamans have been Shapeshifting for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. With and without the aid psychedelic plants.


It`s interesting you mention shamans. I was talking to a shaman/kundalini reiki healer about three years ago in Dublin who spoke about shapeshifting.

She thought the same as everyone else that it was only a myth until she attended a seance outside of London. She was introduced to another shaman who claimed he regularly shapeshifted into his guide (a native American spirit guide).

Sure enough when she asked him to demonstrate he changed right in front of her eyes into a red skinned native American. His face and body completely physically changed, so she claimed.

If the outer world is an illusion there should be no great quams about "shapeshifting." Concrete minds keep away truth - keep the mind fluid.

- One day a zen master was travelling through the countryside when he came across two farmers in a field having an argument over a flag.

Said one farmer - it is the flag that moves. No said the other, it is the wind which moves the flag.

On seeing the zen monk approach both men ask him - which moves, the wind or the flag? The monk replied - it is neither the flag nor the wind which moves, but the mind!

- it is not the spoon that bends.

http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/matrix_spoon_bending_small.jpg

[friendsinthesky]

- it is not the spoon that bends.

http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/matrix_spoon_bending_small.jpg

No, it is the mind that bends the spoon. Now how about you shape shift into a shaman.

[tracker]

We are the shape shifters !
we are the reptilians !
we are the greys !

they are all alternate perceptions of humanity in the universal mirror of reality .
shape shifting as here as humans .
change our clothes , to fit the mood , change our view points , our attitudes , our beliefs , our tone of vioces , thus we shape shapeshift right here and now , or atleast attempt to , thus we are the shape shifters .hence NEO in the film the matrix , IT IS OUR MIND THAT BENDS NOT THE SPOON .

we are the reptilians .
dominant over domain
controlling
instinctive
sexually orientated
its all there to see ,

we are the greys
cold
calculating
logical

all thos creatures are us on the other side !

we are what we do !

[orbandsceptre27]

No, it is the mind that bends the spoon.

The mind bends nothing.

[ownoiz]

Maybe we should start another thread...Do spoon benders exist?

[tracker]

WELL THANKS TO MANY THREAD TRASHERS HERE AND SPAMMING PEOPLE I NOW REPEAT MY SELF .


We are the shape shifters !
we are the reptilians !
we are the greys !

they are all alternate perceptions of humanity in the universal mirror of reality .
shape shifting as here as humans .
change our clothes , to fit the mood , change our view points , our attitudes , our beliefs , our tone of vioces , thus we shape shapeshift right here and now , or atleast attempt to , thus we are the shape shifters .hence NEO in the film the matrix , IT IS OUR MIND THAT BENDS NOT THE SPOON .

we are the reptilians .
dominant over domain
controlling
instinctive
sexually orientated
its all there to see ,

we are the greys
cold
calculating
logical

all thos creatures are us on the other side !

we are what we do !


WE ARE THE SHAPE SHIFTERS
WE ARE THE REPTILIANS
WE ARE THE GREYS .

[friendsinthesky]

WELL THANKS TO MANY THREAD TRASHERS HERE AND SPAMMING PEOPLE I NOW REPEAT MY SELF .


We are the shape shifters !
we are the reptilians !
we are the greys !

they are all alternate perceptions of humanity in the universal mirror of reality .
shape shifting as here as humans .
change our clothes , to fit the mood , change our view points , our attitudes , our beliefs , our tone of vioces , thus we shape shapeshift right here and now , or atleast attempt to , thus we are the shape shifters .hence NEO in the film the matrix , IT IS OUR MIND THAT BENDS NOT THE SPOON .

we are the reptilians .
dominant over domain
controlling
instinctive
sexually orientated
its all there to see ,

we are the greys
cold
calculating
logical

all thos creatures are us on the other side !

we are what we do !


WE ARE THE SHAPE SHIFTERS
WE ARE THE REPTILIANS
WE ARE THE GREYS .

^It really gives me the shits when others try to speak for me.

[friendsinthesky]

The mind bends nothing.

Oh ok, what is nothing?

[tracker]

^it really gives me the shits when others try to speak for me.

yep i can understand , so who is trying to speek for you ?

[orbandsceptre27]

This is the design of the prison humanity is in. The truth is so vastly different from the average person's perception of what is going on, that if you bring the data down to a level they can grasp, it has to be distorted to a point of uselessness... thus making it completely impossible to wake up someone deeply programed by the system to the nature of the prison they are in, until they have awaked themselves enough to be able to understand.

You are not going to "wake up" anyone, because that is not in the nature of the social and genetic programing ingrained into people. All we can do is present information, even if that information is far fetched, and allow them to process it on their own...

Well said!

[orbandsceptre27]

Oh ok, what is nothing?

Formlessness.

[friendsinthesky]

Formlessness.


Formlessness is something less of nothing. Next..

[friendsinthesky]

yep i can understand , so who is trying to speek for you ?

It is you!

[tracker]

^It really gives me the shits when others try to speak for me.

YEP , this sounds as though you have some type of thought here that i was trying to speek for you .

if this is true i am having difficulty understanding why you have come to this conclusion .

i think you will find that i have my own mind , press the keys my self , thus wirting for my self , i havent mentioned your name anywhere , and also have my own independant view point .

however , i do get the impression that my words seem to have made you angry and resentfull against my view point thus you say in another way that some how in there somewhere that i have taken your mind and words and mixed them about .

oh deary me , those were my words , not yours , they were my view point about reptilians and aliens and greys etc , not yours , if you wish to say something , say it , no one will think you have copied me , or have you said this to start some type of thread trashing argument ?

im confused , im sure others speeking for you winds you up , it would do me , but really , i cant see why you think some one is trying to talk "for you! ?????????????????

your not that special .:D lol lighten up , have a coffee .

why dont you read back , i havent quoted any one and least of all YOU !

truth be said

YOU QUOTED ME

YOU HAVE ACCUSED ME OF SOMETHING I HAVENT DONE

YOU HAVE THEN RETUREND BACK TO ME TO BACK UP YOUR INSINUATIONAL BLAME ARGUMENT TRASHING THREAD EXCUSE .

SO FAR , I HAVE BEEN TOLLERANT OF YOUR BEHAVIOUR ,

LEAVE ME ALONE !

[friendsinthesky]

YEP , this sounds as though you have some type of thought here that i was trying to speek for you .

if this is true i am having difficulty understanding why you have come to this conclusion .

i think you will find that i have my own mind , press the keys my self , thus wirting for my self , i havent mentioned your name anywhere , and also have my own independant view point .

however , i do get the impression that my words seem to have made you angry and resentfull against my view point thus you say in another way that some how in there somewhere that i have taken your mind and words and mixed them about .

oh deary me , those were my words , not yours , they were my view point about reptilians and aliens and greys etc , not yours , if you wish to say something , say it , no one will think you have copied me , or have you said this to start some type of thread trashing argument ?

im confused , im sure others speeking for you winds you up , it would do me , but really , i cant see why you think some one is trying to talk "for you! ?????????????????

your not that special .:D lol lighten up , have a coffee .

Hey tracker, I don't do you, so suck energy elsewhere.

[tracker]

why dont you read back , i havent quoted any one and least of all YOU !

truth be said

YOU QUOTED ME

YOU HAVE ACCUSED ME OF SOMETHING I HAVENT DONE

YOU HAVE THEN RETUREND BACK TO ME TO BACK UP YOUR INSINUATIONAL BLAME ARGUMENT TRASHING THREAD EXCUSE .

SO FAR , I HAVE BEEN TOLLERANT OF YOUR BEHAVIOUR ,

LEAVE ME ALONE !

[orbandsceptre27]

Formlessness is something less of nothing. Next..

Formlessness is a word describing "no thing" (which is two words). The mind bends no thing. As someone has correctly pointed out before me - "there is no spoon," which is ultimately correct.

Take Trackers advice and get yourself a nice big mug of coffee (which ultimately does`nt exist) and chill out....... man! :D

[tracker]

WELL JUST FOR THE RECORD I WILL REPEAT MY 1ST POST , AGAIN NOT QUOTING ANY ONE , DOING MY OWN THINKING AND MY OWN TYPING AND HAVING MY OWN VIEW POINT .




We are the shape shifters !
we are the reptilians !
we are the greys !

they are all alternate perceptions of humanity in the universal mirror of reality .
shape shifting as here as humans .
change our clothes , to fit the mood , change our view points , our attitudes , our beliefs , our tone of vioces , thus we shape shapeshift right here and now , or atleast attempt to , thus we are the shape shifters .hence NEO in the film the matrix , IT IS OUR MIND THAT BENDS NOT THE SPOON .

we are the reptilians .
dominant over domain
controlling
instinctive
sexually orientated
its all there to see ,

we are the greys
cold
calculating
logical

all thos creatures are us on the other side !

we are what we do !


WE ARE THE SHAPE SHIFTERS
WE ARE THE REPTILIANS
WE ARE THE GREYS .


THERE , THAT DIDNT HURT ANY ONE !
WASNT DOING SPEEKING FOR ANY ONE !
HASNT DONE ANYTHING WRONG TO ANYONE !

NOT UNLESS WE HAVE SOME ONE HERE WITH AN EXTREME COMPLEX WHO DELUSIONALLY THINKS THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES TO KNOW THIS .
THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WITH THE RIGHT TO SAY THIS .
OR
THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO WRITE IT DOWN ,

OTHER THAN THAT , THIS IS MY VIEW UPON IT

ENDSTOP !

[friendsinthesky]

Formlessness is a word describing "no thing" (which is two words). The mind bends no thing. As someone has correctly pointed out before me - "there is no spoon," which is ultimately correct.

Take Trackers advice and get yourself a nice big mug of coffee (which ultimately does`nt exist) and chill out....... man! :D

Yeah well I'm gonna smack you in the face with the word thing. Has anyone pointed out the meaning of the word thing to you, or do you just follow the scent from trackers arse?

[nothingspecial]

I think clowns and ice cream truck drivers are shapeshifting aliens.

[tracker]

Yeah well I'm gonna smack you in the face with the word thing. Has anyone pointed out the meaning of the word thing to you, or do you just follow the scent from trackers arse?

WHATS UP WITH YOU TODAY ?

IS YOUR BED NEAR THE WINDOW ?

HAVE YOU WOKEN UP AND GOTTEN OUT OF THE WRONG SIDE OF BED TODAY AND FALLEN OUT OF THE WINDOW ? 20 FLOORS DOWN ?

WHAT IS ALL THIS INSINUATION AND ANGER FOR ?

IT DOESNT SEEM LIKE YOU AS I HAVE READ YOUR POSTS BEFORE .

WHATS WRONG ?:cool:

[friendsinthesky]

Formlessness is a word describing "no thing" (which is two words).

Let me ask you a question; how can you bend something that isn't there?


I would like to you to think very hard before answering.

[tracker]

let me ask you a question; how can you bend something that isn't there?



now thats funny ! :D

I WOULD LIKE TO REFURE TO THE FACT THAT YOU YOUR SELF HAVE BENT SOMETHING THAT WASNT THERE .

BLAMING ME FOR TALKING FOR YOU LOL

[orbandsceptre27]

Yeah well I'm gonna smack you in the face with the word thing. Has anyone pointed out the meaning of the word thing to you, or do you just follow the scent from trackers arse?

I can tell you, smacking me in the face would be the last thing you`d do for quite a while. :)

Try putting no in front of thing and see what you come up with.

You`re an intelligent guy - let me know how you get on! :D

[armoured_amazon]

I see people shapeshift but whether that is because they are of a certain species or just down to entities entering them, I am unsure. I think it's always the latter.

[tracker]

i see people shapeshift but whether that is because they are of a certain species or just down to entities entering them, i am unsure. I think it's always the latter.

there is another posability armourd amazon .

We could be tuning into their psychi in the other realm as their nature changes from one thing ( not ---no------thing lol ) to another thing .


Lol

[orbandsceptre27]

Let me ask you a question; how can you bend something that isn't there?


I would like to you to think very hard before answering.


Why would anyone have to think hard about a stupid question? :D

I said the mind bends no thing.

[tracker]

why would anyone have to think hard about a stupid question? :d

i said the mind bends no thing.

you and the other person called friendsinthesky are trashing this thread about no---thing meaning nothing , which means every post you both make are nothing to do with this threads topic !

Have some bloody respect ! Both of you !

[armoured_amazon]

there is another posability aRMourd amazon .

We could be tuning into their psychi in the other realm as their nature changes from one thing ( not ---no------thing lol ) to another thing .


Lol

:D Weird, isn't it?

[tracker]

:D Weird, isn't it?

it is safe to say ( after my past rants ) that our human spirit becomes the shape of what we do .

hence forth , as said in the batman film .

it is not my name that is important , it is what i do that defines me .

maybe we see their spirit , thus our spirit becomes what we do , but in the other realm on the spirit side .

yes

this then may mean that there is a place called hell ,

full of reptilian minded people .


eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek , im in seriouse shit street lol .:D

[friendsinthesky]

you and the other person called friendsinthesky are trashing this thread about no---thing meaning nothing , which means every post you both make are nothing to do with this threads topic !

Have some bloody respect ! Both of you !

Ha ha ha the friggin irony led me to you. Here's a big fat kiss.:D

[friendsinthesky]

Why would anyone have to think hard about a stupid question? :D

I said the mind bends no thing.

Don't use my name in vain. Answer the question or spend a night with tracker in the woods.. alone! Then we'll see if no thing can bend.:D:D:D

[tracker]

Don't use my name in vain. Answer the question or spend a night with tracker in the woods.. alone! Then we'll see if no thing can bend.:D:D:D

me me me me meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee please .
:D

[orbandsceptre27]

you and the other person called friendsinthesky are trashing this thread about no---thing meaning nothing , which means every post you both make are nothing to do with this threads topic !

Have some bloody respect ! Both of you !

Well said by the man who`s made the same post three times!

The issue is perspectives - I can see what he`s saying but he`s wrong. The majority of posts on this thread are good (including the one you made three times lol).

The reason why most people don`t see anything outside of the norm is because of the same "concrete" perspectives.

If you can distinguish "form" from "formlessness" imao.......... then you`re on your way.

[tracker]

Ha ha ha the friggin irony led me to you. Here's a big fat kiss.:D

:o












:D

[orbandsceptre27]

:D Weird, isn't it?

Thank fawk for that :D

[tracker]

friendsinthesky

you said

the irony lead you to me ? -----------------------------:eek:




:D


its comes naturally .:D

[orbandsceptre27]

Don't use my name in vain. Answer the question or spend a night with tracker in the woods.. alone! Then we'll see if no thing can bend.:D:D:D

Haha :D - I wouldn`t chance it!

[friendsinthesky]

If you can distinguish "form" from "formlessness" imao.......... then you`re on your way.


On your way? Oh ok, what does imao mean?

[orbandsceptre27]

On your way? Oh ok, what does imao mean?

It means I`m...... "on me way to the pub" :p

- imao means - you`re buying!

[friendsinthesky]

It means I`m...... "on me way to the pub" :p

Piker.



:)


- imao means - you`re buying!

You get the first round....then we'll see.

[Anders Lindman]

My guess is that people who see shapeshifters experience the shift in their mind, like when using psychedelics.

With very advanced nanotechnology it should in theory be possible to do an actual shapeshift of the body, but that would be extremely advanced technology. Maybe there are ETs that have that kind of super technology. :confused::eek::D

Ray Kurzweil talked about how they already today are doing experiments with nanotech put into the bloodstream of patients with diabetics. That's still very, very crude nanotech, but the progress is exponential and already within a few decades we may have unbelievable advanced nanotech that can alter the biology of our bodies.

[Anders Lindman]

I believe David Icke is correct in saying that what we experience is only a tiny slice of reality. Except I believe that what we experience is the main channel so to speak. If we were able to tune the main channel we would experience other 'channels' of reality. But I don't believe the other channels have real consciousness. Consciousness is locked in most of the time to the main channel which is our ordinary mundane reality.

Demons could be real and exist outside the main channel. The same with ghosts. When the ghosts interfere with our own reality we can see them, but they are not conscious beings and more like energy patterns outside our visible reality.

People who take psychedelics may actually experience real patterns of energy that exist in channels outside the main channel.

Empty space is not at all empty. There is a massive amount of energy within every cubic millimeter of space. Imagine super-advanced sub-nano technology. Such technology could exist everywhere in space without we ever (normally) being able to detect it. With more advanced scientific instruments we may be able to detect some of it, just as the invention of the microscope made it possible for us to detect microorganisms.

Reality is immensely advanced, and we haven't yet begun to tap into the more advanced potentials.

[ThierryHenry]

I believe David Icke is correct in saying that what we experience is only a tiny slice of reality. Except I believe that what we experience is the main channel so to speak. If we were able to tune the main channel we would experience other 'channels' of reality. But I don't believe the other channels have real consciousness. Consciousness is locked in most of the time to the main channel which is our ordinary mundane reality.

Demons could be real and exist outside the main channel. The same with ghosts. When the ghosts interfere with our own reality we can see them, but they are not conscious beings and more like energy patterns outside our visible reality.

People who take psychedelics may actually experience real patterns of energy that exist in channels outside the main channel.

Empty space is not at all empty. There is a massive amount of energy within every cubic millimeter of space. Imagine super-advanced sub-nano technology. Such technology could exist everywhere in space without we ever (normally) being able to detect it. With more advanced scientific instruments we may be able to detect some of it, just as the invention of the microscope made it possible for us to detect microorganisms.

Reality is immensely advanced, and we haven't yet begun to tap into the more advanced potentials.



I feel I KNOW the ability to shapeshift exists. With a slight understanding of energy, frequencies and vibration it is very hard to doubt the existence of 'shapeshifters'.

Just call them Reptilian. Thats what they are :D

[Anders Lindman]

I feel I KNOW the ability to shapeshift exists. With a slight understanding of energy, frequencies and vibration it is very hard to doubt the existence of 'shapeshifters'.

Just call them Reptilian. Thats what they are :D

It would be cool to learn how to shapeshift. Such as shapeshifting into a young sexy woman one day, and shapeshift into a giant lizard the next day. :D

[Ian2day]

When I focus in the 5 sense 3d world I see my experiences as nothing more than false memories implanted to mislead and discredit me. When I focus on the amount of coincidences and syncronocity's I have experienced. Then I seem to be overwhelemed with the realisation that the Reptillian is really Satan/Lucifer and we are all fucked if we don't become one big happy family. See how simplistic that direction is. Straight towards tptb agenda. Things that make you go hmmm

[amandaooo]

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/05/26/2705OPRAH_narrowweb__300x388,0.jpg

Apart from a photoshop job, google images have removed all Oprah when she was bigger photos. So I guess she must have supressed her shape-shifting past.

[bobhodge]

How many of us actually believe that shape shifters really exist?

i just want to get a feel for it. David Icke gives us alot of information that i am sure is fact based, but what is the point of all the facts and conspiracies if at the end of the story you are to believe that it is a shape shifter who pulls the strings instead of a group of people who where born just like you and i who get together and write books on what they plan to do, get together at NGO meetings and say openly what they are going to do and then do exactly what they have said they where going to do. Wouldn't that be a better way of trying to get people to open there minds and break the programming that they have been subjected to? my guess is yes.

i too was taken off to a fantasy land with lots of twists and turns only to sound like total idiot to most people when i was trying to explain to them what i had learned about the reality that we are in. I find it much easier now to explain to people what is going on with facts that i can show to them in plain site and the information isn't even hard to find or hidden in any way.

anyway just wanted to get your ideas to see how many of us have seen through all the BS and can see this circus we call conspiracy for what it really is, just a circus.

no. shape shifters do not exist. the world is not run by lizards from another dimension.

[runlikehell]

It`s interesting you mention shamans. I was talking to a shaman/kundalini reiki healer about three years ago in Dublin who spoke about shapeshifting.

She thought the same as everyone else that it was only a myth until she attended a seance outside of London. She was introduced to another shaman who claimed he regularly shapeshifted into his guide (a native American spirit guide).

Sure enough when she asked him to demonstrate he changed right in front of her eyes into a red skinned native American. His face and body completely physically changed, so she claimed.

If the outer world is an illusion there should be no great quams about "shapeshifting." Concrete minds keep away truth - keep the mind fluid.

- One day a zen master was travelling through the countryside when he came across two farmers in a field having an argument over a flag.

Said one farmer - it is the flag that moves. No said the other, it is the wind which moves the flag.

On seeing the zen monk approach both men ask him - which moves, the wind or the flag? The monk replied - it is neither the flag nor the wind which moves, but the mind!

- it is not the spoon that bends.

http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/matrix_spoon_bending_small.jpg

Excellent post:)

the Zen story's great. I once seen a medium (woman) shapeshift into an Oriental man! At first i thought the lighting was a bit suspect, but her mannerism, and the tone of her voice definitely changed, and her body language. If she was faking it, its the best impression Oriental person i ever seen and heard anyone do, A bit freaky.
That leaves the question what exactly is shapeshifting?;)

[ThierryHenry]

no. shape shifters do not exist. the world is not run by lizards from another dimension.


and of course you've been there and done that. old enough to know these things etc etc

I love dismissal without consideration :)

[notthisshitagain]

Well, I've heard a lot about the "nahual" (shaman that can transform into animals) the most common animals being: a pig, a dog, a turkey, but I've actually never seen one.. I think?!

[stealth]

MJ,shape shifting over the years.:eek: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=adf_1229951589&p=1

[bobhodge]

and of course you've been there and done that. old enough to know these things etc etc

I love dismissal without consideration :)

consider the general proposition at hand. is it sensible or ludicrous?

[rhydra]

A shamen has to be struck by lightning, and survived, before they have reached the pinnacle. I read somewhere that an electrical charge passed though the brain can unlock memories, some which have been previously thought forgotten. Maybe the electrical charge unlocks previously hidden memories and talents not only of this life but of previous and parallel lives.

[noobcybot]

The shamen goes into the higher vibratory dimensions using drugs/fasting/meditation/shock and other methods and goes out of body to where thought can manifest reality ( like a lucid dream ). Here if maintained they can concentrate and manifest in or 3d realm as a differant creature.

[ThierryHenry]

consider the general proposition at hand. is it sensible or ludicrous?

i assume the general proposition you are talking about is the ability to shapeshift.

Well it's far from ludicrous.

And whether shapeshifting is 'sensible' or not isn't the question at hand here is it?

[ThierryHenry]

A shamen has to be struck by lightning, and survived, before they have reached the pinnacle. I read somewhere that an electrical charge passed though the brain can unlock memories, some which have been previously thought forgotten. Maybe the electrical charge unlocks previously hidden memories and talents not only of this life but of previous and parallel lives.

I doubt you HAVE to be struck by lightning. But I wouldn't disregard what you said about having an electrical charge pass through the brain can unlock memories.

I honestly believe reptilians (and other aliens) actually shapeshift into and out of human form. But i've only come across a few sources that describe learned or enlightened humans having the ability to mutate into (for example) animal forms.