Monkeys in a Room

[rob menard]

Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up.

Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. Now one of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys begin to hammer the senses out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Now there are eight new monkeys in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.

Are you one of the monkeys that will without knowing why attack those who are trying to get to the bananas?

[boots]

Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up.

Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. Now one of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys begin to hammer the senses out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Now there are eight new monkeys in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.

Are you one of the monkeys that will without knowing why attack those who are trying to get to the bananas?


Good stuff;):)

Well no thanks for me. I want to change that MINDSET:cool:


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[oddblock]

Awesome - I'm sending that to my mates! Thank you :D

[ag3nt5mith]

Rofl....

Greatest post ever. :D

[1694]

Do we still get sprayed with Ice water if we try and climb the ladder?

[boots]

Do we still get sprayed with Ice water if we try and climb the ladder?


Good onya monkey.:rolleyes:

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[bulltwister]

Excellent post rob, where did this come from?

[ag3nt5mith]

Good onya monkey.:rolleyes:

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:D

[rob menard]

My Dad told me this one when I was about ten or so. Always stuck with me and I looked for it on the net and it was there. Pretty sure it was an actual experiment. He also told me some other great nuggets.
If someone calls you a horse stand like a man, before he goes shopping for a saddle.
Never stand in line to give someone your money.
Don't try to fit me for a bit and call it licorice.
Don't point a gun at someone unless you plan on using it, and if that's the case best use cover and concealment.
Never pick all the fruit from any tree.
When buying a bushel of apples, bring your own bushel. This way you can dump out the apples and see what's at the bottom, and be the nice guy giving the other back his basket.

Rob

[pinkfreud]

what a great post rob. thanks :D

that's what the masses have become :| hooting monkees >.<

[ownoiz]

that's what the masses have become :| hooting monkees

hooting 'programmed' monkeys.

Without the word 'programmed' you are pigeon-holing all monkeys, which is prejudice against monkeys which have not been programmed and dont naturally behave that way :D

[moondancer]

Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up.

Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. Now one of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys begin to hammer the senses out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Now there are eight new monkeys in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.

Are you one of the monkeys that will without knowing why attack those who are trying to get to the bananas?

This was actually done, hey.. its a test they did years back..

cant remember who, when or where though.. so it doesnt really help hey!

[malvern]

also heard this one ...some years ago and made me smile then.... thinking "those bloody bananas must be very black...even the firstmoneys would not want them".

still a graet example of group think , any discomfort to thier norm.... and they will kill..... not thinking who put the ladder and bananas in the room and set up the hose, them locked them in ..... this is going on all around the world everyday..... but it's not moneys it's men with guns


so it's all your fault Rob ..... your must be that money :D thanks for the post




freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[moondancer]

also heard this one ...some years ago and made me smile then.... thinking "those bloody bananas must be very black...even the firstmoneys would not want them".

still a graet example of group think , any discomfort to thier norm.... and they will kill..... not thinking who put the ladder and bananas in the room and set up the hose, them locked them in ..... this is going on all around the world everyday..... but it's not moneys it's men with guns


so it's all your fault Rob ..... your must be that money :D thanks for the post




freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Yep, all about how culture and behaviour is created within groups / teams of people..

Behaviour breeds behaviour

[sindakit]

here's all I have to offer as wisdom:

Never play leapfrog with a unicorn

;)

[dondaz]

That's a great analogy Rob. I wonder how many are prepared to learn from it though?

[1694]

Good onya monkey.:rolleyes:

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LOL, you have replaced one status quo with another. If we still get sprayed for climbing the ladder those are the facts, no matter what a new monkey might tell you.

[malvern]

LOL, you have replaced one status quo with another. If we still get sprayed for climbing the ladder those are the facts, no matter what a new monkey might tell you.

not if they talk to the monkey with the hose lol


well it's christmas ...i can be a pratt too
freedom is the grandchildren we are the care takers

[1694]

not if they talk to the monkey with the hose lol


well it's christmas ...i can be a pratt too
freedom is the grandchildren we are the care takers

Quite true....that is actually a very accute recognition of the facts. The hose bearer holds the power, the actions and beliefs of the caged monkeys is almost totally irrelevant. Now consider our situation, the hose bearer in our scenario gets to keep the bananas for itself if it can keep the other monkeys from getting them, and what's more they designed it that way specifically so that they would get the bananas and we wouldn't.

[lottie]

Im sure this analogy was printed in one of Ickes books a few years ago- i think it was 'Infinite Love'? Its a brilliant concept though and one i often tell friends when they question me about NWO stuff and sheep like behaviour...'why would anyone do that?' lol!!

[rob menard]

Quite true....that is actually a very accute recognition of the facts. The hose bearer holds the power, the actions and beliefs of the caged monkeys is almost totally irrelevant. Now consider our situation, the hose bearer in our scenario gets to keep the bananas for itself if it can keep the other monkeys from getting them, and what's more they designed it that way specifically so that they would get the bananas and we wouldn't.

You nees to increase your word comprehension skills. By the time all the monkeys are replaced, there is no mention of the hose. Here again you and only you add to the available information to create a picture which is untrue and use it to justify inaction. What about the hose you ask.

If you develop your word comprehension skills, you will see that the hose was not mentioned for the second part of the experiment. Neither was a brick or a flamethrower. So asking what about the hose is about as smart as saying, what about the flamethrower that the guy who was standing on the pile of bricks was holding.

You have a very infantile mindset I am afraid. Worrying about non existent hoses, adding things to a reality that do not exist and generally looking for reasons to justify your personal disempowerment. What about (____INSERT INANE NONSENSE HERE______)??? is how it manifests.

Peace eh?
Rob



Rob

[1694]

You nees to increase your word comprehension skills. By the time all the monkeys are replaced, there is no mention of the hose. Here again you and only you add to the available information to create a picture which is untrue and use it to justify inaction. What about the hose you ask.

If you develop your word comprehension skills, you will see that the hose was not mentioned for the second part of the experiment. Neither was a brick or a flamethrower. So asking what about the hose is about as smart as saying, what about the flamethrower that the guy who was standing on the pile of bricks was holding.

You have a very infantile mindset I am afraid. Worrying about non existent hoses, adding things to a reality that do not exist and generally looking for reasons to justify your personal disempowerment. What about (____INSERT INANE NONSENSE HERE______)??? is how it manifests.

Peace eh?
Rob



Rob

Good questions Rob, lets not bury our heads in the sand. Is there a brick or a flame thrower we need to be worried about? Or if we ignore that guarantee they don't exist?

Since we are playing management games 101:

http://www.sangraal.com/library/outside_the_box.htm

[micklemus]

Very interesting OP. Shame critical thought towards this subject matter (and indeed anything mentioned on this Forum) tends to be met with the mindset of either the original torturer or his monkeys.

Easy for us all to get carried away but that’s what individuality can too easily do. Sometimes it would behove us all to remember that we are the ocean, not the droplets.

[amandaooo]

Whose the Bas***d whose bright idea it was to throw ice water on the monkeys when they wanted bananas in the first place?. Get to them/him and cure them/him and only then will we all be able to eat in peace. You are all looking from the perspective of being in the rooms. Look outside the box.

NEXT!!!

I want the one about having a bottle of vodka and a chair and a dvd and a takeaway.

[rob menard]

Whose the Bas***d whose bright idea it was to throw ice water on the monkeys when they wanted bananas in the first place?. Get to them/him and cure them/him and only then will we all be able to eat in peace. You are all looking from the perspective of being in the rooms. Look outside the box.

NEXT!!!

I want the one about having a bottle of vodka and a chair and a dvd and a takeaway.

LMAO! That sounds like a good one!

[goldman]

Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up.

Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. Now one of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys begin to hammer the senses out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Now there are eight new monkeys in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.

Are you one of the monkeys that will without knowing why attack those who are trying to get to the bananas?

Here's my story: I'm a human who still has his soul to see through such propaganda to even considering it a valid resemblance of those who confront the fallacy of freema(so)nery.

What a generalization, ever heard of the poverty of metaphors? the map isn't the territory? I hear big words, only words. Show me the obvious Rob, show me that this isn't a recurring catch-22 product placement by the powers that be.

Of course now I will be more dis-liked, just because I speak my mind eh? consider who is the attacking monkey when commenting and ridicule my opinion, I guess some would still do because they understand the fallacy of the story. ;)

The fool who persist in his folly will become wise - Blake.

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[rob menard]

Show me the obvious Rob, show me that this isn't a recurring catch-22 product placement by the powers that be.

You ask I show/prove that 'A' is not 'B'. You ask I prove a negative. Who is more likely to be working for tptb when it is you asking that I perform an impossibility and publicly rejecting remedy unless it is shown to not be something else?

Would you perhaps accept me attesting or would you simply not find that acceptable, as I could be lying? Can you even describe what you would accept as 'show' or 'proof' or is this something that you will know when you see it, thus creating an endless and unresolvable challenge?

Prove you are not working for tptb by asking that question. Can you do that? Bet you can't at least not to my satisfaction. Therefore you must be working for them to derail this movement.

Is that fair?

Rob

[goldman]

You ask I show/prove that 'A' is not 'B'. You ask I prove a negative. Who is more likely to be working for tptb when it is you asking that I perform an impossibility and publicly rejecting remedy unless it is shown to not be something else?

No I ask you to provide a false negative, I want to see some validity in it plus verification. I hear, see but I haven't seen anyone pull this off all together and/or lives the happy life. So what I see, hear are rumors unless proven otherwise. Glossy tabloids are interesting, but far from the truth. Those who lived the true freemen life are all dead, see the Jim Jones town or the Quebec Order of the Solar temple examples.


Would you perhaps accept me attesting or would you simply not find that acceptable, as I could be lying? Can you even describe what you would accept as 'show' or 'proof' or is this something that you will know when you see it, thus creating an endless and unresolvable challenge?


Not at all. I ask you to show me that this is a sollution. Let's review history, please point me one group that succeeded in this. I think that's fair? we have thousands years of endurance stress testing, and it' certainly has been tried before. If not, make a video of people who are living the life as freemen, and aren't bogus freemen with a million dollar on their bank account funding indirectly various NWO schemes.



Prove you are not working for tptb by asking that question. Can you do that? Bet you can't at least not to my satisfaction.

I never said you work for it, I don't think you do. I think I never implied that either, if it comes across as such: I don't meant it. But I do feel that some might be influenced by it, I don't know you personally so I cannot tell. What I can tell is that history teaches me that these schemes fail for various reasons, but they all boil down to one conclusion: People. People are people, even good people can rise to power and be the biggest tyrant the world has ever seen. It's human nature, it is accepting that there is no sollution in change, look what revolution brought us, we are still all miserable.


Therefore you must be working for them to derail this movement.

Is that fair?

Rob

Just like those who derailed this movement:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=685101#post685101

Of course, if something happens to freemanery in the near future, people would say: it was a conspiracy against freemanery, they were brainwashed. Right, they would say that because it justified the means which gives away new ground for future movements. but remember that people who join this movement right now do it on free will and maybe due to clever product placements that one might not see directly. If I were in on it, I think I would say: Go do it, because that would fulfill a lot of people's agenda's, where martial law is only one of them. But yeah I know the answer already: conspiracy on convenience makes it hard to look critical at one self, while losing my credibility on this forum (if I haven't already) granted I don't follow someone's opinion if it isn't my opinion, no matter how unpopular I might be or get through it, because if I do I will loose true freedom, freedom to think for oneself and weighing the scales before blindly following the next scheme, trust but verify.


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[boots]

Glossy tabloids are interesting, but far from the truth. Those who lived the true freemen life are all dead, see the Jim Jones town or the Quebec Order of the Solar temple examples.


Get your facts straight.

Jim Jones was a CIA operative. Nothing to do with freeman who are individuals. Taking their own course, in becoming free.

How ridiculous to say this.

Are preying on the weak minded members and guest who post and view these topics, to turn them off looking into this subject. By putting out ridiculous statements, saying Jim Jones was a true Freeman or this Order of the Solar Temples crap as being Freeman.

Examples of Freeman who are happily leading a good life.

Rob Menard.
Mark Pytellek.
Mary Croft.
Mark Mc Murtie.
Winston Shrout.
Davis Thomas Hutching.
John Harris.
Irene-Maus:Gravenhorst.
Beatleha.
A few members on this forum who wont advertise it.
Many people in NZ.
Many people I know personally, living in Australia.

So that fucks your attempt and discrediting the Freeman movement.

If you had researched it, instead of having a knee jerk reaction, then you might know what you are talking about. Instead of looking like a Fool.

.

[micklemus]

...what was that about monkeys?

[armoured_amazon]

My Dad told me this one when I was about ten or so. Always stuck with me and I looked for it on the net and it was there. Pretty sure it was an actual experiment. He also told me some other great nuggets.
If someone calls you a horse stand like a man, before he goes shopping for a saddle.
Never stand in line to give someone your money.
Don't try to fit me for a bit and call it licorice.
Don't point a gun at someone unless you plan on using it, and if that's the case best use cover and concealment.
Never pick all the fruit from any tree.
When buying a bushel of apples, bring your own bushel. This way you can dump out the apples and see what's at the bottom, and be the nice guy giving the other back his basket.

Rob

Your dad sounds a wise man.

[dondaz]

Oh dear, what will they come up with next to try to discredit Freeman Philosophy?

Cheese???:D

[stickwhistler]

This thread reminds me or a true incident from years back.

I had moved into a house, and the rates were £££.
I put in central heating and double glazing.
I then demolished a downstairs chimney and had to put in an RSJ
to hold the structure above.
The nice building inspector passed the work,
and remarked about the heating and glazing.
A few weeks later I got a property tax (rates) increase.

My rates were going up by IIRC £7 per month.

I found out that the heating wasn't ratable i.e. they couldn't increase because of the heating,
although they could because of the glazing.
However, they could only increase the rates by a certain amount,
and if the increase did not meet that amount, no increase at all was permissible.
I wrote and said that the heating wasn't rate-able, and because of that
the glazing increase couldn't be applied because it was beneath the amount they
could increase it by.
They wrote back saying they would prosecute.
I wrote back saying that my legal advisors thought they were wrong,
and listed all the names in the book I got that info' from,
saying I'd bet my advisors were right and theirs were wrong,
and I'd let the courts decide.

They wrote back saying "We regret to inform you that we were mistaken .....!"
No increase!

I told my work mates, two of whom were in the exact same position.,
i.e. same type of houses, same work carried out, same rate-able value.
One guy said, "I don't believe you! They can do what-ever they want,
and there's nothing you can do about it, you'll have to pay."
So I took in all my paperwork, and showed it to the guys.

A different individual asked to borrow the letters etc,
and wrote exactly the same letter, merely substituting his details for mine.
He got his rates reduced and a refund too.
The first guy refused to believe him too, repeating his original argument,
bleating on how we couldn't do that (we had), they can do .... (they couldn't!)
and we were in the wrong (no we weren't).

He carried on paying his overcharged rates, we just thought he was pathetic,
blinkered into thinking TPTB were always right, and we were just slaves.
A sad mind controlled subject who refused to see what was in front of him,
and would not change his mind set, and thought that we should stay in the mire with him.

I am reminded of that incident when e.g. bacon-von-fullof and 9416 at al chirp.

[micklemus]

This thread reminds me or a true incident from years back.

I had moved into a house, and the rates were £££.
I put in central heating and double glazing.
I then demolished a downstairs chimney and had to put in an RSJ
to hold the structure above.
The nice building inspector passed the work,
and remarked about the heating and glazing.
A few weeks later I got a property tax (rates) increase.

My rates were going up by IIRC £7 per month.

I found out that the heating wasn't ratable i.e. they couldn't increase because of the heating,
although they could because of the glazing.
However, they could only increase the rates by a certain amount,
and if the increase did not meet that amount, no increase at all was permissible.
I wrote and said that the heating wasn't rate-able, and because of that
the glazing increase couldn't be applied because it was beneath the amount they
could increase it by.
They wrote back saying they would prosecute.
I wrote back saying that my legal advisors thought they were wrong,
and listed all the names in the book I got that info' from,
saying I'd bet my advisors were right and theirs were wrong,
and I'd let the courts decide.

They wrote back saying "We regret to inform you that we were mistaken .....!"
No increase!

I told my work mates, two of whom were in the exact same position.,
i.e. same type of houses, same work carried out, same rate-able value.
One guy said, "I don't believe you! They can do what-ever they want,
and there's nothing you can do about it, you'll have to pay."
So I took in all my paperwork, and showed it to the guys.

A different individual asked to borrow the letters etc,
and wrote exactly the same letter, merely substituting his details for mine.
He got his rates reduced and a refund too.
The first guy refused to believe him too, repeating his original argument,
bleating on how we couldn't do that (we had), they can do .... (they couldn't!)
and we were in the wrong (no we weren't).

He carried on paying his overcharged rates, we just thought he was pathetic,
blinkered into thinking TPTB were always right, and we were just slaves.
A sad mind controlled subject who refused to see what was in front of him,
and would not change his mind set, and thought that we should stay in the mire with him.

I am reminded of that incident when e.g. bacon-von-fullof and 9416 at al chirp.



Indeed

Such a shame. Baby and bathwater, monkey and nuts, whatever. There's no witch hunt going here, at least not as far as I'm concerned, but in my case there is definitely a reluctance to take anything at face value. If an inquisitive mind and critical thought make me a monkey then I'll go and find myself a tree right now.

I'm still looking at this but as of today maintain the opinion that this is, on the whole, about barrack room lawyerism and not being truly free.

One shall continue to enjoy the analysis and insults (and the irony of them) though! Good luck everyone, whatever your point of view. What's right for me may not be for you and vice versa. That's the beauty of life, diversity and...freedom.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=677113&postcount=36
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=678110&postcount=7
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=678186&postcount=40
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=684333&postcount=23

[yozhik]

Stickwhistler; great post (and relevant).

Thank you! :)

[pleasuredome]

I am reminded of that incident when e.g. bacon-von-fullof and 9416 at al chirp.

pmsl! :cool:

[goldman]

Get your facts straight.

Jim Jones was a CIA operative. Nothing to do with freeman who are individuals. Taking their own course, in becoming free.

How ridiculous to say this.



If he was CIA, why did he hire lawyers to generate new conspiracies? yes, they too were heavily into all sorts of theories. Read up the comparative studies of "freemen" movements. They all carry one signature: a Deuteronomium worldview e.g. good guys vs bad guys. Almost all of these movements called themselves freemen, and their settlement the freedom land. I present you facts, verifiable facts.


Are preying on the weak minded members and guest who post and view these topics, to turn them off looking into this subject. By putting out ridiculous statements, saying Jim Jones was a true Freeman or this Order of the Solar Temples crap as being Freeman.


By all means, don't stop looking into the subject, I applaud it. Because the more you will research, the more you can find out the truth about it, and who beholds it. All I do is showing counter arguments, and being name called for it. So are you one of the monkeys that starts to beat up others because you don't know how this "freemen" movement came to be? did you do research on why and how this movement came into existence in another form and shape? You really think this is the brainchild of Robert Menard? If you think so, you don't know anything about it. Are you researching it's origin or it's symptoms? great difference.


Examples of Freeman who are happily leading a good life.

Rob Menard.
Mark Pytellek.
Mary Croft.
Mark Mc Murtie.
Winston Shrout.
Davis Thomas Hutching.
John Harris.
Irene-Maus:Gravenhorst.
Beatleha.
A few members on this forum who wont advertise it.
Many people in NZ.
Many people I know personally, living in Australia.


Well so do I, I also live a happy life. Am I free now? I guess I am but without renouncing law society and without renouncing my neighbors. So what's the gain? being able to evade speeding tickets? is that true freemanery? How about being a human being and care for your fellow human? maybe that's freedom? But reality is like a piercing arrow, it gotta hurt.


So that fucks your attempt and discrediting the Freeman movement.

If you had researched it, instead of having a knee jerk reaction, then you might know what you are talking about. Instead of looking like a Fool.
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I have researched it, you don't know me so you cannot tell. But I went beyond that and started to look at the critics in order to come to a good conclusion. Kneejerk? whose name calling here? at least I have the balls to look at it from both sides to understand it's fallacy.

I'm entitled to my opinion. It's the sign of fascism to say to other people what they ought to think and do, if you don't like my opinion, come with better counter arguments just like I did. I showed you what could happen, what history teaches us, more in favour of forewarning rather than a solution for your problems in your life.


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[boots]

If he was CIA, why did he hire lawyers to generate new conspiracies? yes, they too were heavily into all sorts of theories. Read up the comparative studies of "freemen" movements. They all carry one signature: a Deuteronomium worldview e.g. good guys vs bad guys. Almost all of these movements called themselves freemen, and their settlement the freedom land. I present you facts, verifiable facts.


No facts at all. Nice try at derailing the thread:rolleyes:

Jim Jones was a CULT leader who was a programmer for the CIA. End of story.

Nothing what so ever to the individual Freeman movement.



By all means, don't stop looking into the subject, I applaud it. Because the more you will research, the more you can find out the truth about it, and who beholds it. All I do is showing counter arguments, and being name called for it. So are you one of the monkeys that starts to beat up others because you don't know how this "freemen" movement came to be? did you do research on why and how this movement came into existence in another form and shape? You really think this is the brainchild of Robert Menard? If you think so, you don't know anything about it. Are you researching it's origin or it's symptoms? great difference.


Your a blatant liar you have not looked into the legal aspects of this at all Counter arguements not based on FACTS. Is you opinion
Who ever said that Rob was the brainchild of this. Another stupid statement from you. No facts what so ever.
It is quite clear that you don't know anything about the law and cannot distinguish between common law and statues which are set up by corporations, which governments are.

The freeman philosophy has been there since the Magna Carta when the Barons realized that their rights to live freely were being taken away.



Well so do I, I also live a happy life. Am I free now? I guess I am but without renouncing law society and without renouncing my neighbors. So what's the gain? being able to evade speeding tickets? is that true freemanery? How about being a human being and care for your fellow human? maybe that's freedom? But reality is like a piercing arrow, it gotta hurt.


LOL it's like what David Icke has said that their are those that dont even know they are in a prison and happily lead their lives in a prison Statues govern corporate entities which is why you have a birth certificate with a registration number on it to show that you are one of their vessels.

Freeman philosophy is not about speeding tickets at all. Although this is how simple your mind is. It is about being a responsible member of society who will not bow down to unjust statutes.



I have researched it, you don't know me so you cannot tell. But I went beyond that and started to look at the critics in order to come to a good conclusion. Kneejerk? whose name calling here? at least I have the balls to look at it from both sides to understand it's fallacy.

You have not research it with an open mind, only one that operates from fear and servitude ROFLMAO Look up the word Kneejerk. lol. It is not a derogatory word, lol.

I'm entitled to my opinion. It's the sign of fascism to say to other people what they ought to think and do, if you don't like my opinion, come with better counter arguments just like I did. I showed you what could happen, what history teaches us, more in favour of forewarning rather than a solution for your problems in your life.


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Any slave is entitled to an opinion, although in todays world it wont mean much if you are a slave. If you are a Freeman who understands the words used to trap you into servitude you can use those words of the corporations to get out of servitude. legally.

What counter arguments? that you are not a monkey and are one of the fascist moneys that say "stay down". "Dont do that", you'll get sprayed by the big monkey holding the hose.

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[intellection]

The truth doesn't need to be defended because it remains no matter. I get highly suspicious when a concept is defended and argued so vehemently. If this is a war over a commodity which can be taken away then it is not the truth. If it is then there is no need to fight.

This entire section is doing nothing for our vibrations.
Think about it guys.

[dondaz]

No piece of paper makes law. Law comes from the heart of good people, not decietful polititions or the crown.

Hey goldman, so what if those deluded 'jim jones' nutters called themselves freemen? How many people have called themselve that over the ages? Millions upon millions have done so. Get with the real world and stop trying to associate psychopath jim jones with Freeman on the Land and it's humane philosophy. The relationship you have tried to establish is a fiction of your mind and in your mind only.

Merry xmas!:)

[free2beme]

Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up.

Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. Now one of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys begin to hammer the senses out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Now there are eight new monkeys in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.

Are you one of the monkeys that will without knowing why attack those who are trying to get to the bananas?

monkeys? what monkeys? i see no monkeys. all i see are bells and dumplings.