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dondaz
17-12-2008, 07:01 PM
Check out the Amish people folks. They are very honourable people and are very wise to the ways of freeman philosophy.

Proverbs 23:1-3 (AMP):

1 When you sit down to eat with a ruler, consider who and what are before you;

2 For you will put a knife to your throat, if you are a man given to desire.

3 Be not desirous of his dainties, for they are deceitful food (offered with questionable motives)

The following letter tells you how to push your chair back from the King's table and walk out of the palace into simple freedom with your head still attached.


Dear Amish Brethren,

Here are some things to think about:

English propaganda says the Washington Government operates under the Constitution.

The truth is, it actually operates mostly under CONTRACT LAW. Contracts supersede the Constitution, and many Amish have unknowingly signed many "adhesion contracts" with the government. These "Invisible contracts" are very real, and are sealed by your receiving a "benefit." You entered into these contracts voluntarily, by choice, giving them ironclad legal power over you.

When a Commercial contract with the "King" ( Government) is in effect, the Bill of Rights is irrelevant from the scratch, and properly so, as the Consitution forbids interference with contracts. This information comes from a retired Federal Judge named George Mercier and is supported by thousands of Federal Statues and Supreme Court Rulings.

Think of each signature you give as the pincher of a vise-grip - the point of control by which your whole body is held at the whim of the State.

When you are involved with the "King" , you "strike hands in a pledge, breaking Yesu's command to "swear no oath, and let your yes be 'yes' and your no be' no'." You exit the wonderful status of "freeman upon the land", and accept the government's contract jurisdiction (control).

Here are some ways you may have "vowed to your own hurt":

FORM 4029
This form sounds like it gives you"exemption" from a tax you would otherwise owe, but unless you have somehow contracted to owe the SS tax, you don't owe it.

Form 4029 only gives you the BENEFIT of a number with which you can engage more easily in "the King's Commerce."

In return for the benefits the number gives you, you pay dearly because:

1) Form 4029 declares you, (a previously unindentured freeman), to be a "TAXPAYER", a code-word that binds you to the entire 7000+ pages of the Internal Revenue Code, and more.

2) Form 4029 contains a forbidden Perjury Oath (cleverly called a perjury declaration)

3) Form 4029 collects your signature

4) Form 4029 associates you with the "ALL CAPS NAME" which the Government owns and controls

5) Form 4029 asserts that you owe many other taxes which you don't actually owe (unless you are party to certain contracts)

OPTION: Do not ever sign any IRS form. Those forms are very cleverly worded traps. A free human is not liable to any Federal corporation just by being born upon this land. The only way one can be held liable to the IRS is by contracting for a benefit. Do not accept any governmnent benefit.
For added protection, do not amass large stores of personal taxable wealth (dollars). If you have wealth, re-invest it in your businesses or ministries.

BANK ACCOUNT
You might want to take a look at your signature card for your bank account. It says "I agree to be bound by all the rules of this bank." Ask your bank manager for a copy of all the rules you have accepted criminal liability for by signing that card.

They cannot give the entire mass of those rules to you because the bank's rules include all statutes of the "Secretary of the Treasury" of the Federal Reserve. When you sign that application you've agreed to be taxed, searched, audited, and controlled by the IRS. All FDIC/FSLIC State and Federally chartered member banks of theFederal Reserve are "instrumentalities of the Washington Government."

OPTION: Never sign anything you don't completely understand. Have as few bank accounts as possible, and none in your personal name. Instead bank through a corporation, trust, or church account. Your corporation/trust/church will have a TIN (Taxpayer ID Number), but your name will remain un-enumerated. Get someone outside of the community to set up the account. Trade in cash or substance (gold, barter, et c) whenever possible.

ENDORSING CHECKS
When you sign a check with only your name, you validate your use of the "Mark" (dollar sign). This is an invisible contract binding you to the rules of "The King's Commerce."

OPTION: Have checks written out with any of the following language: "Pay to bearer on sight, payable on presentment, NEGOTIABLE." "UCC 3-104" (the clauses of the Uniform Commercial Code the bank is bound to.)
Endorse the check "No liability assumed, no value assured." If required, include your name on the endorsement. There should be no fee, no need to show ID, and no invisible contract.

INSURANCE
You have wisely avoided all insurance. GOOD for you! Keep it up!
A Federally-regulated insurance plan, pension fund, stock account, or credit union account, carries the same Federal Adhesion contracts as with a bank account.

MARRIAGE LICENSE
You do not need a marriage license. A license is "a document which gives one permission to do an otherwise illegal act." Marriage was invented by our Creator and is not illegal. (Marriage licenses were invented to allow 'whites' to marry 'blacks', which was illegal at the time.) A marriage license is a 3-way contract between you, your wife, and the State.

A marriage license places the couple under any whim of the government because you sign it saying that you are married "according to the laws of the State." Those laws say that the fruit of the marriage (your property and children) are under State jurisdiction under 42 USC **666**. That gives them the right to take your children away and to divorce you, separate your property, control your children's education, etc.
OPTION: Be married under Common Law.

Never get a state marriage license. Document your marriage in your family Bible like your grandparents.

BIRTH CERTIFICATE
"Do not become surety for another."

When you get a birth certificate, the hospital sends the certificate to the Washington Government, who then use that Certificate to pledge your child's body and future labor as collateral for a loan from the Federal Reserve. They use that loan to fund wars. The birth certificate is the starting point of a system that seeks to track and control your child for life. No law requires you to get a birth certificate.

OPTION: Do not get a birth certificate. Try to have all your babies at home. There are excellent midwives nearby. If you do go to a hospital do not name your baby at the hospital. Do not allow the baby to be fingerprinted. Invoke your freedom of religion. Make your own "Birth Record", with no reference to the State.

DRAFT REGISTRATION
Selective Service Registration places you under the jurisdiction of the military.

OPTION: Do not do sign any contracts, and the State will have no jurisdiction over you and therefore be unable to enforce any requirement to register for the draft. The State will not even know who to send the form to.

POSTAL SERVICE
The postal service is a federal agency that tracks, logs, and sometimes reads, all mail sent by or to you. This mail is a powerful record and testimony to your contractual legal status of "Federal Resident" which you do not accept.

OPTION: Address mail:
Forwarding Agent
Street
City, State-spelled-out (i.e. Tennessee) and optionally Zip code (if necessary)
Never identify yourself as a "resident" of anything, particularly a two letter All-Caps Federal Zone, i.e. TN.

LOANS
In addition to placing you under the same Federal Reserve control as a personal bank account, borrowing money from the world is forbidden by the Bible:

"The borrower is slave to the Lender."
"Owe no man anything except the debt of love." ... "Debt is a curse." ... "the Lender's the head and the borrower's the (butt) tail."

OPTION: Never borrow money from the world.

ANSWERING TO THE ALL CAPS NAME
I know this one sounds crazy but bear with me...

Look at your bills. Do they list your name as "John Yoder" or "JOHN YODER"? Every time you answer to YOUR NAME by paying a bill with your personal signature, you strengthen the legal connection between your flesh-and-blood-self and the fictional "US PERSON" who is under State jurisdiction and is surety for the national debt.

OPTION:Terminate any relationship with anyone who requires that you do business with them as your NAME spelled in ALL CAPS. Insist that your Name be spelled in proper English literary style: e.g. "John Yoder." In the case of property taxes, have someone else pay the taxes for you, or pay by cash. Get a receipt, and don't sign anything.

THE KING'S FOOD
WIth clean air, modern emergency medicine, and lots of exercise, Mennonite people should approach the Bible's120-year age limit. But around the pathetic average American death-age of 76 years, Amish drop like flies . Here's why: White flour, white sugar, corn syrup, sweeteners, monosodium glutamate, tobacco, caffeine, and most additives in English food are poisons that are weakening and killing our people. In only takes a generation or two of eating such foods to make you so weak, sick, and indebted that you lose your farms and your culture. This happened in Russia.

OPTION: Abandon worldly food and drugs for a Biblical diet of pure, living, mostly raw food, and diabetes, cancer, seizures, obesity, dental disease, etc.will stop ravaging your people.

PHARMAKEIA
Drugs do not generally cure any disease. Drugs mask symptoms and create side-effects. Doctor's drugs are killing us and destroying our minds. Good, raw, organic food and herbs are the Creator's medicine. The Amish are wearing their neighbors out by asking for rides to Doctors who often just make them sicker.

OPTION: "Flee Pharmakeia" (Pharmacy).

PESTICIDES
Pesticides are poisons running into your wells and ponds, poisoning your food, and making you sick. Your grandparents didn't use pesticides and they survived.

OPTION: You may have to use special techniques because of the world's use of pesticides around you. Grow food for your family in greenhouses or indoor raised bed "square foot gardens" which are 5 times more efficient than outdoor row gardens with 5 times less water. Eat food fresh, raw, and organic. Most health problems will go away.

GMO SEEDS
All of the stores sell Genetically Modified Seeds which will not re-grow, so you depend on the corporate system for your food supply. GMO plants may also cause health problems.

OPTION: Save good heirloom seeds which have never been genetically modified.

DRIVING
Amish have done very well in this regard. People who drive cars must either risk the sufferings incurred for driving unlicensed. (Thought it may be of some value to sign Driver's License applications "under Objection and Notice of Duress to avoid incarceration".)

MENTALLY PREPARE TO MOVE
Right now you are suffering not under direct persecution, but because you have accepted the King's loaded contracts. But within a decade or two you should expect to be persecuted by mad, competely lawless men, as your forefathers were. As soon as your property tax values exceed the cash-flow the county gets by using your Amish community as a tourist attraction, expect to be run out of town.

OPTION: "When they persecute you in one place, flee to another."
Be looking around for much cheaper land in a place relatively free of the Beast's regulation (and "benefits").

GASOLINE
Gasoline prices have doubled in the past year and will go probably to 10 times the current price within the next 15 years ($30/gallon).
OPTION: Convert to windmills for your water pumps, and make sure you can survive without any "English" funds.

"Come out of her, my people, and be not partakers in her sins!"

NOTES:
the best way to defend yourself against Contracts of Adhesion is to go back to the very seminal point of contract formation and attack the very
existence of the contract at its origin, by proving that you did not accept any benefits, since the adhesion contract, like all other contracts, came into effect whenever benefits, offered conditionally, were accepted by you. And where the records show that benefits have been accepted, the liability will always follow. Viewing this from a Judge's perspective, this means two things: When did you decline the benefits, and how did you
decline the benefits?

http://yhvh.name/?w=842 (http://yhvh.name/?w=842)

There's a wealth of info on their site, but you have to dig for the gold.
http://www.yhvh.name/

pleasuredome
17-12-2008, 07:59 PM
good info daz. cheers! :cool:

steevo
17-12-2008, 08:02 PM
Great post Dondaz. I have copied and pasted that into a text document to save for future reference.

boots
18-12-2008, 12:07 AM
Great info dondaz,


Anyone with a level of critical thinking can see that the Amish people have been living the freeman philosophy for many, many years. So to say that it hasn't worked or it's a scam is bullshit.

1. Are the Amish people hassled....NO

2. Do the Amish people live a good life ....YES

3. Are the Amish people thrown in jail for their views...NO.

4. Are the Amish bound by statutes like us common slaves...NO.

They can do it. So why can't we.


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steevo
18-12-2008, 12:41 AM
I wonder if there is an Amish community in the UK ? I wonder what "Amish" actually means :confused: Maybe it's another word for AMerican. I will have to look into it at some point. I need to have my tea now (a very late tea lol).

fnulnu
18-12-2008, 12:49 AM
I wonder what "Amish" actually means :confused:

They're named after their founder, Jacob Amman,and their roots were in Switzerland.

* No Amish remain in Europe,according to wikipedia

steevo
18-12-2008, 12:53 AM
They're named after their founder, Jacob Amman,and their roots were in Switzerland.

* No Amish remain in Europe,according to wikipedia

Thanks for the info fnulnu:)

fnulnu
18-12-2008, 12:59 AM
Thanks for the info fnulnu:)

You're welcome,steevo. :)

I was watching an ex-Amish guy's channel on youtube a few days ago...He's called mrdeleted:

http://uk.youtube.com/user/mrdeleted

Here's a general video about the Amish:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PAgSCTdnrhk

Of course,the Amish,like everyone else have their critics :rolleyes:

dondaz
18-12-2008, 02:47 AM
Anyone with a level of critical thinking can see that the Amish people have been living the freeman philosophy for many, many years. So to say that it hasn't worked or it's a scam is bullshit.

1. Are the Amish people hassled....NO

2. Do the Amish people live a good life ....YES

3. Are the Amish people thrown in jail for their views...NO.

4. Are the Amish bound by statutes like us common slaves...NO.

They can do it. So why can't we.

Yes, we surely can. This is all very true. They get left alone by the fake 'authorities', for sure.

I wonder if there is an Amish community in the UK ?

I thought that too. Definately going to look into that one. They will obviously corroberate the reality of the freeman movement in this country if they exist over here. More evidence for the naysayers then eh!:)

Good vid about part of the Amish way of life. The Amish are Freemen On The Land, with no statute or act obligations, no government/corporate contracts, no government benefits, independant, honourable, abide by the Law of The Land, Common Law and they never ask permission, unlike the masses, from the government to do what is lawful. This is as it should be.

Most do not know what it is like to live this free and that's a fact!

godspeed
20-12-2008, 02:12 AM
the amish are great i had the pleasure of meeting some on a trip to usa,very laid back and only interested in what we grew on our land,i could have just stopped there with these people for the rest of my days.....lol

steevo
20-12-2008, 02:13 AM
the amish are great i had the pleasure of meeting some on a trip to usa,very laid back and only interested in what we grew on our land,i could have just stopped there with these people for the rest of my days.....lol

Do they have guns ?

c_f_f
20-12-2008, 02:55 AM
I wonder if there is an Amish community in the UK ?One of the people I work with is Mennonite (Anabaptists like the Amish). His people came to Canada from Scotland. I was surprised to learn that there were Mennonites in the UK.

I used to walk to school with several Amish kids. Most of them, middle-aged now, are still living in the old ways. In the world, but not of the world.

Proud, but not vain -- courageous people -- the ones I have known, anyway.

wise haven
20-12-2008, 01:50 PM
There is a lot of linkage with the bible and Freeman status.

NIV
Mathew 5:
33 "Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, "Do not break your oath, but keep oaths you have made to the Lord.
34 But I tell you, Do not swear at all; either by heaven, for it is God's throne;
35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black.
37 Simply let your "Yes" be "Yes" and your "No", "No", anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

That is why in court you have the option to Swear an Oath or make an affirmation (Solemn declaration)

This passage in the bible created ructions between those who would and would not swear oaths.

In the early days of American independence those Freeman knew why it said not to make oaths in the bible - By not swearing an oath they could not be enslaved by adhesion contracts.
It seems that over the years people forgot the real meaning of Mathew 5: 33 - 37. ;)

boots
20-12-2008, 02:14 PM
There is a lot of reference to the Bible when it comes to law and there was a warning to.

NO king for me.

1: And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.
2: Now the name of his firstborn was Joel; and the name of his second, Abiah: they were judges in Beer-sheba.
3: And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.
4: Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
5: And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. :rolleyes:
6: But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.
7: And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
8: According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
9: Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.
10: And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11: And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12: And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13: And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14: And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15: And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16: And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17: He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
18: And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19: Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us; :rolleyes:
20: That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21: And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22: And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.


Now we have a king or a government as a ruler. Bugger that.

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wise haven
20-12-2008, 02:26 PM
There is a lot of reference to the Bible when it comes to law and there was a warning to.

NO king for me.

1: And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.
2: Now the name of his firstborn was Joel; and the name of his second, Abiah: they were judges in Beer-sheba.
3: And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.
4: Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
5: And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. :rolleyes:
6: But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.
7: And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
8: According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
9: Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.
10: And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11: And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12: And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13: And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14: And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15: And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16: And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17: He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
18: And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19: Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us; :rolleyes:
20: That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21: And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22: And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.


Now we have a king or a government as a ruler. Bugger that.

. Be careful what you wish for comes to mind

They wanted a king and volunteered themselves up for slavery. :(

Not my choice......

boots
20-12-2008, 02:28 PM
Be careful what you wish for comes to mind

They wanted a king and volunteered themselves up for slavery. :(

Not my choice......

Not mine either. Thats why it's right and lawful to be a Freeman/woman.

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wise haven
20-12-2008, 02:33 PM
The very lands we all along enjoyed
they ravished from the people they destroyed ...
All the long pretenses of descent
are shams of right to prop up government.
' Tis all invasion, usurpation all;
' Tis all by fraud and force that we possess,
and length of time can make no crime the less;
Religion's always on the strongest side.

Daniel Defoe, Jure Divino (England, 1706)

This link is to an excellent essay on understanding jurisdiction:

http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/jurisdiction.htm

Well worth a read.

boots
20-12-2008, 02:36 PM
The very lands we all along enjoyed
they ravished from the people they destroyed ...
All the long pretenses of descent
are shams of right to prop up government.
' Tis all invasion, usurpation all;
' Tis all by fraud and force that we possess,
and length of time can make no crime the less;
Religion's always on the strongest side.

Daniel Defoe, Jure Divino (England, 1706)

This link is to an excellent essay on understanding jurisdiction:

http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/jurisdiction.htm

Well worth a read.

Thanks will look into that.:)

It's late here. Time to hit the hay.

I like that by Daniel Defoe.


.

skyver
20-12-2008, 03:42 PM
Yeah nice post Dondaz, the bit that caught my eye was the piece regarding Marriage, or rather the marriage licence (666). We are brought into this world to just assume what are parents/society/system tells are the rules & we accept it & pass it on like some dirty virus to our children.

wise haven
20-12-2008, 07:56 PM
Yeah nice post Dondaz, the bit that caught my eye was the piece regarding Marriage, or rather the marriage licence (666). We are brought into this world to just assume what are parents/society/system tells are the rules & we accept it & pass it on like some dirty virus to our children.
Very true skyver - our parents were told by their parents what the rules were and accepted - we are the generation that question the status quo and we are the ones that can expose the deceit.

The analogy that Rob menard uses "Monkeys in a room" describes exactly what what still goes on.
Anyone who questions paying tax - is dragged down and castigated by the "law abiding".
Anyone who questions our inalienable freedoms - is dragged down and castigated as an anarchist, again, by the "law abiding"

Societal pressure keeps us all in slavery - and those who question the status quo are castigated and compared to those who are real criminals in society.....the ones that harm, steal and commit fraud against others are declared the same as those who rightfully demand sovereignty and freedom.

We are all born free, with inalienable (understand that word)rights and it is entirely up to us to decide whether to give up those rights in exchange for privileges and the attached benefits of a society - we have to consent. They could of course trick us or use force to make us give up those rights....but then they would be going against natural, common and their own legislated laws. In fact they would have to behave illegally, under their own criminal and statute system of laws - by using force of arms or trickery (fraud)to get us into their society and subject to their legislated laws (statutes)

Look at this:
UDHR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and remember that it isn't giving you rights....the countries that ratified this declaration are noticing and/or recognising these rights. They can't take any of these rights away because they are inalienable (that very important word again)

Article one - Notice the use of "Human Being" as opposed to person. If you looke through this declaration you will notice there is distinction between Human Being and "person" used further into the declaration....in particular Article 3 and Article 6,

One of the most important articles is Article 20/sections 1 and 2 use the words association. That word is very, very powerful if you understand the word in it's contextual meaning you will understand why.
It effectively recognizes (not gives or grants because they can't) that you can choose whether to be part of any "society" whether that society is as big and powerful as your nation,country,state, government society or ......a train spotting society.You have to consent to belong to them - you give authority for certain members to make rules/laws/statutes and you have to abide by them unless you want to be penalised or expelled etc etc.
You do not have to belong to them unless you agree or consent to the benefits on offer and agree to the limitations of your personal freedom by fines or penalties.

Get It yet :eek:

dondaz
20-12-2008, 08:24 PM
Some good posts there guys, keep them coming. Here's some more things I have found out about Amish people:

Dictionary: New Words for a New World Order

Amerigut: the 30 pounds of rotten, fetid, week-old meat living within what Americans incorrectly refer to as their "stomachs."

Humanicide: the process by which mass media and systemic oppression turn men, women, and children into consumers and killers

Murkan: Murky-headed American.

Satan Nation (SataNation): A national sub-unit of the adversarial global world system which operates on fear, debt, and conflict.

SataNations are the opposite of the Kingdom of YHWH (http://yhvh.name/?w=1263), which operates on charity and peace.

For examples of SataNations, see the membership list of the United Nations.

http://yhvh.name/?w=850

War = Debt = Tax

War Produces Debt, Debt Creates the Need for Taxation

DECEMBER 1, 1834: U.S. President Jackson declares that the U.S. national debt will be paid off JANUARY 1, 1835.

JANUARY 30, 1835: There is an attempt to assassinate President Jackson.

APRIL 12, 1861: The Civil War starts.

AUGUST 5, 1861: Congress passes the first National income tax.

AUGUST 21, 1861: The United States issues the first paper currency.

FEBRUARY 25, 1913: The sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is declared in effect. (without proper ratification.)

The U.S. debt increases steadily into the future, with constant war, both declared and undeclared, with ever mounting types and amounts of taxation to pay for the wars.

OCTOBER 3, 1916: Congress passes the War Revenue Act, increasing corporate and personal income taxes and establishing excise-profits, and luxury taxes.

March 10, 1933: President Roosevelt declares the United States bankrupt by Presidential Executive Order, 6073 and the subsequent Executive Orders, 6102, 6111 and 6260.

[these documents are probably still publicly attainable in any federal depository library]

[Around 1963], President Kennedy stated his intentions to return the money supply to precious-metal backing, and to get the U.S. out of VietNam.

Kennedy died.

http://yhvh.name/?w=784

A reader writes:
"Thank you for the great webpage!! It must be easier to see the benefits by contract being outside looking in rather than being born into the system like I was. I hope you can find some time to answer a few questions I have that are hard to find answers for. I am withdrawing all contracts with a Claim of Right and want to be a free man. (For more info on this- www.thinkfree.ca (http://www.thinkfree.ca))

I hope you will continue to add to your page with more info to help us free ourselves from these adhesion contracts

Much Appreciated,

F. in the land called Ontario"

Q1. How do the Amish travel through the borders?

A. Free men move through borders either outside of normal check points, or by crossing at a govt checkpoint with a bible in hand, with Matthew 28:19-20 as their passport. Be prepared for delays. The Kingdom of Heaven embassy while imperfect has lots of info on this.

Q2. Do you pay property taxes? That seems to be a benefit also?!

A: Yes, having the king protect your investment in your land is a big benefit. In return, the King who owns your land charges you a tenancy fee called property tax. To get out of this low status of tenancy and move to real ownership, (to be free on your land) you must

a) find land that has never been registered and buy it from the owner-in-freehold, or

b) 'stand upon the land' and claim it, then improve it yourself.

Never register the land, and you will neither pay nor owe property tax, nor be subject to Lawful regulation.

You can look up 'standing on the land.'

For this and many other reasons, moving to another land where the New World Order is less powerful can be a great help!

Q3. How do you obtain firearms and ammunition for hunting and protection? Here in Canada we need a piece of ID called a firearms aquisition certificate (FAC).

A. While we ourselves have chosen not to own firearms, GeorgeGordon.org, while also imperfect, has lots of info on trading antique firearms. Both you and the gun need to be free and unencumbered. Most people and most things are the subjects of prior contracts and therefore very far from being truly free.

Getting free and staying free is a process, maybe we can share it together.
If you'd like to come to a foreign land, maybe we can meet out here in the jungle.
http://yhvh.name/?w=1212

wise haven
20-12-2008, 09:23 PM
Great posts mate.

I have a couple of comments that I will post tomorrow;
One on: Allodial claims - Held in absolute ownership (land)

The unavoidable certainties of life: Death (and war) and taxes.

Kennedy didn't die....he was assassinated shortly after he initiated the process of taking the Federal Reserve system out of American monetary control.

Abe Lincoln (assassinated by an "Anarchist")for the same reason Kennedy was assassinated.

And finally a commentary on Mathew 28:.......

And........Mathew 22:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar...


I'm not even a "Religious Christian" thank God............
Seat gripping stuff hey? :D

goldman
23-12-2008, 02:10 AM
Yes, we surely can. This is all very true. They get left alone by the fake 'authorities', for sure.


Why don't you go do it then, instead of posing yourself as freemen?


More evidence for the naysayers then eh!:)


What evidence? living like a bunch of loonies in a barn? FYI: they still pay taxes. ever lived on the streets? I suggest you try it out, and you can because you are a FREE MAN right? Go do it! please inform us of how reality really feels, because that's what you will find: the cold reality of life. I wonder if anyone knows, that the Hippie culture was set up and funded by the ones they were trying to escape from. If not, look it up.

Next time show some hard evidence that someone in this world has pulled it off, which should not include: Aboriginals, Bums, Nuns, Catholic sex offenders, Jessy James, Heaven's Gate, Branch Davidians, Aum Shinrikyo, the Montana Freemen, Order of the Solar Temple (Quebec and Switzerland) the people of Jones town and other folks who thought this was Utopia and got either killed or pushed to the border of collective suicide.

Since some seem to generously coin the phrase "knowledge is power" all the time, Here is a comparative study of the so called "Freemen" societies around the world and times: http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJonestown/Articles/millennium.htm

Time for a reality check:

Yes, Jim Jones was such a nice person also, he got the idea: Let's be freemen and show how free we are to world and the capitalist pigs, let's all commit suicide in freedom. Sounds a reasonable thing to do, because he found out that his Utopia couldn't exist and pulled 909 freemen to their deaths with him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

Sometimes, or I should say pretty often I think some of us are actually constructing our own demise, the question arises: who is the inspirator, that plots for division of mankind.

Here's your freedom:

http://i27.tinypic.com/347ejps.jpg

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2635/jonestown1yv02br6.jpg

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- Sign at the Jonestown pavillion.


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seanie
23-12-2008, 07:13 AM
Great fucking tread, them amish lads know there stuff, i'd love to talk to one of these guys

boots
23-12-2008, 07:32 AM
Time for a reality check:




Yeah, Time for a reality check Jim Jones had nothing to do with the Amish.

Have you taken your medication today???

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dondaz
23-12-2008, 11:30 AM
Hey goldman, I know what it's like to be homeless. I know what it's like to be homeless with two kids. What you have posted has nothing to do with freemen on the land. That is complete and utter rubbish what you have posted, trying to accociate that bunch of freaks with Freemen on the Land and Amish people. There's nothing in what you have put here. It's not relevent and totally off topic.

It's a whole different ball game mate! Get with the real world.

goldman
23-12-2008, 10:00 PM
I hope so.

I'm not trying to attack it, but issue the other side of the tale and that these things can get out of hand, if you are not willing to accept that this could happen, in this day and age it is denying history. My disblief should only strongen your conviction that freemanery is the right way to go about, this is not a battle for who is wrong or right, it's only useful to look things from the flipside as well. ;)

yozhik
25-12-2008, 09:04 PM
I hope so.

I'm not trying to attack it ... this is not a battle for who is wrong or right, it's only useful to look things from the flipside as well.

Really? You're not trying to attack it? What would you call it then?
This thread is about the Amish being Freemen ... and you post about the Jim Jones cult and the mass suicide in Freedom Town? ... and then you try to sell this as the "flipside" of the issue?

Where the f*** do you get THIS logic from? ... because if you paid for this cereal box logic, you SERIOUSLY need to get your money back!

Not only is your post completely irrelevant and off topic; it is not even remotely logical nor is it connected.
"Freeman" is NOT synonymous with "Freedom Land of Jim Jones".
"Amish people" is NOT synonymous with "Jim Jones cult".

I welcome reasoned, logical, fact based discussion and debate on the issue of "Freeman-on-the-land"; I truly believe that debate will accelerate the learning process, for all whom debate it.
Unfortunately, your post meets none of this criteria. However, I do congratulate you on one point; you have managed to post disinformation that is both nauseating AND comical, as opposed to just nauseating.

octopusrex
25-12-2008, 09:27 PM
Great info dondaz,


Anyone with a level of critical thinking can see that the Amish people have been living the freeman philosophy for many, many years. So to say that it hasn't worked or it's a scam is bullshit.

1. Are the Amish people hassled....NO

2. Do the Amish people live a good life ....YES

3. Are the Amish people thrown in jail for their views...NO.

4. Are the Amish bound by statutes like us common slaves...NO.

They can do it. So why can't we.


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What about polygamy and the Mormons.

yozhik
25-12-2008, 09:56 PM
What about polygamy and the Mormons.

Ummmm ... good question. What about them?
How does this even relate to Freemen or Amish?
Or are we now playing some kind of random association game?

amercury
25-12-2008, 10:28 PM
How does this even relate to Freemen or Amish?


Because the Amish are a religious sect and as such they are seriously brainwashed. I live near Amish country; they have been dissidents for centuries, pacifists, and live an agricultural lifestyle. Good people, but they forsake all individuality for the good of the community, and women and children can be treated harshly.
However, I suppose you could learn a lot from them in reference to freeman status in the US and Canada.

Amish Paradise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGyq7W3ZghE

Sorry.....couldn't resist really.:)

yozhik
25-12-2008, 10:58 PM
Because the Amish are a religious sect and as such they are seriously brainwashed.

:confused:

I'm really trying to understand this ... but I'm lost.
Mormons and polygamy, Freeman, Amish, religious sect, brainwashing ... nope; still don't see the connection.

amercury
26-12-2008, 01:36 AM
:confused:

I'm really trying to understand this ... but I'm lost.
Mormons and polygamy, Freeman, Amish, religious sect, brainwashing ... nope; still don't see the connection.

I don't know much about freeman, but they are not a religious sect right?
The Amish are, and I think the posts that are confusing you are making connections to the Amish not freemen.

I am guessing the OP is just looking at the philosophy of it all, and not implying that freemen use religion as a means to their goals. However, when you start talking about the Amish you cannot avoid religion. It is religion that they use to protect their way of life.

dondaz
26-12-2008, 04:31 AM
I suppose you could learn a lot from them in reference to freeman status in the US and Canada.

Yes, exactly, but also useful for everyone in the world who wants to be free from tyranny!