Worried about David

[tothestars]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

[armoured_amazon]

How about David worries about David and we worry about our ownselves? Who's not going to get annoyed/stressed/etc in our current climate? I imagine he's fine. It's hard to try and get a message to people who act like ostriches, burying their heads in the sand all the time.

:)

[alrick888]

Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?)

I thought you meant vaccination for a moment there.

I thought he was wrong about Obama too for a few weeks but you now what they say: "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is".

[blah]

Yes Icke has a programming, he is an illuminati stooge BUT he talks in metaphors as well, as if things were a dream. Now I think that he has felt the need to act when he had done for the greater good. Hes identifying whos in the know BUT dont worry about him. I worried about him for a while too, he knows his job, and what it entails that its abit dangerous for him.

I think the main thing is we should thank him and encourage him to do the good work. To realise that illuminati and there workers, are not always wrong. They have good and bad in them. But they are themselves dillusioned with narccistic, psychopathic programming, by whom? Reptiles and aliens. They are illuminated hence their name but... if you feel his newer books take on a tone that you dont like, then dont read them. They could have alot of disinfo in them.

[psych641]

Just IMHO. But i sometimes wonder if David were to do another trip (aya,shrooms etc) he might experience a renewed vigour. A 'reset' on some of the stress that builds up over the years. Be more chilled like in 'turning of the tide' etc.

[marpat]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

Why worry about what people think. If that is what you feel then say without fear. Dont let other bully you into toning it down. Nobody has a right to stamp on you for expressing an opinion.

Let him worry about himself.

[marpat]

Just IMHO. But i sometimes wonder if David were to do another trip (aya,shrooms etc) he might experience a renewed vigour. A 'reset' on some of the stress that builds up over the years. Be more chilled like in 'turning of the tide' etc.

Why should taking some mushrooms renew his vigour? if he has lost his vitality then this is a sign that he is out of contact with his inner being. A persons sense of vigour comes from their inner, spiritual energy not some mushroom trip. If the OP feels that Icke has become aggressive and judgemental then perhaps he is out of tune with the inner self. Are these qualities compatable with the infinite love that he writes of?

[dreamweaver]

Well, as someone who has only recently "discovered" him (obviously I've seen his stuff for years, agreed with some things, disagreed with a lot of others, but now I agree with him a lot more than I ever did), he seems perfectly fine to me. And a lot more chilled than, say, Alex Jones. :D

But if you know him better and think he's getting stressed, then you're probably right. Maybe he's becoming a victim of his own success, all the constant travel must take its toll.

[psych641]

Why should taking some mushrooms renew his vigour?

vigour isnt the right word, its the closest i could think of.

if he has lost his vitality then this is a sign that he is out of contact with his inner being.

yes, this is perhaps closer to what i meant.


A persons sense of vigour comes from their inner, spiritual energy..

yes, exactly!

..not some mushroom trip.

A few hours of ego-death can be a highly effective way of connecting with ones inner, spiritual energy. This is what drugs can offer.

(there may also be something along the 'reset' metaphor relating specifically to the tryptamine class of drugs; they seem to diminish OCD symptoms in at least some susceptable people for extended periods after use, i consider that the same holds true for the commoner (less specific) patterns of cognitive & behaviourial negativity)

[sade]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

I just readed this article of his and the tone of it is indeed angry.
The things he said about 'hope' are a turn-off for me, because hope has kept me alive.
How the hell can it be a bad thing if it has such an effect?

[alrick888]

Hope is just the flipside of fear. They always come together.
Most people oscillate between hope and fear constantly. The actual challenge is to live with hopelessness (I read that last line somewhere....).

At its core the plan has been to make Obama the focus of everything you hope for, believe in and want to change. This is why it has been crucial for him not to specify and detail what is meant by his 'hope, 'change' and 'believe'.

However, I can tell you what those words mean in the context of the Obama mind-game. They mean whatever you decide they mean or want them to mean. The idea is for you to project all that you stand for onto him and so he becomes the symbol of you and how you see the world. Specifics would destroy that 'I am whatever you want me to be' scenario and so you don't get any detail, just 'hope', 'change', and 'believe'.

Has Obama said he will take the troops out of Iraq?
No
Has Obama said he will move out of Afghanistan?
No
Has Obama said he will repeal the Patriot Act?
No

So where's the change?

[deprogrammed]

hope implies a wish for the future. it keeps people from doing anything NOW it is a means of control. i.e. gee i hope things will get better when obama comes to power meanwhile we give up all of our freedoms so obama can save us in the future. completely backwards if you ask me.

[tracker]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

yep , some how i do agree that the man needs to know when to rest .

I have not noticed any agression or bad ways about him , but i do know this ;

every person needs to rest , he has done fantastic works , but he does need a rest .

i noted this in one of his last themes when he said he was having sleep problems where he said he would suddenly fall asleep in deep sleep for a few mins then wake up all ready to go etc .

these are signs that i strongly believe he needs a rest , otherwise i agree with you , he is a good man and many love him . ( so to speak ) .:cool:

[soulja]

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))

lol that's hilarious and so so naive.. david's article on Obama was spot on imo.
even on this forum people are spellbound by this guy!

that's pretty depressing to be honest..


My intuition is backing me up on this one.


seems to me like your intuition is driven by wishfull thinking and not really in sync with reality..

[tothestars]

lol that's hilarious and so so naive.. david's article on Obama was spot on imo.
even on this forum people are spellbound by this guy!

that's pretty depressing to be honest..



seems to me like your intuition is driven by wishfull thinking and not really in sync with reality..

Actions count before words. He is not in the seat yet so wait until he gets there before you "judge"
Lets see what happens when Bush is out and Obama is in.
Then we will see who is "naive" :)

[deprogrammed]

If you are interested in actions then take a look at the actions obama has already taken. Curious the people he has appointed not to mention those who have backed him. Please do some research.

[shane]

I'm sorry, but anyone who even needed David Icke to tell them that Obama is a fraud really hasn't learned much...

[soul_traveller]

I'm sorry, but anyone who even needed David Icke to tell them that Obama is a fraud really hasn't learned much...

Very well put! I knew about this about Obama Charade all along not in research but via intuition. I kept telling people on some new age and rv sites where some people said that channelled info mentioned Obama is a new positive change. Vote for him. I kept jumping up and down and saying "NO!!!". Even now such people are completely brain washed, their firewall is up.

Its easy to be wise after the event and say I knew what David was saying all along.

But you are right anyone who is even slightly connected to their oversoul does not need David to remind then that its all a con.

Good to have some real people around here for a change.

[dreamweaver]

Very well put! I knew about this about Obama Charade all along not in research but via intuition. I kept telling people on some new age and rv sites where some people said that channelled info mentioned Obama is a new positive change. Vote for him. I kept jumping up and down and saying "NO!!!". Even now such people are completely brain washed, their firewall is up.

Its easy to be wise after the event and say I knew what David was saying all along.

But you are right anyone who is even slightly connected to their oversoul does not need David to remind then that its all a con.

Good to have some real people around here for a change.

I had so many people getting angry and shouting at me when I said he was only another puppet like all the others. Whoever you vote for, the government always gets in.

[le chuck]

Icke is 100% right :cool:

[white horse]

I had so many people getting angry and shouting at me when I said he was only another puppet like all the others. Whoever you vote for, the government always gets in.

It's very clever when you think about it, putting Obama in power was an inspired move!

Just like Blair 97 "I'm your friend, trust me"

Yeah right.

[bobhodge]

David Icke and David Shayler have both been through the same British Sis brainwashing experiments.

[lordzoma]

I would take this as a sign that david is spiritually growing. He has been so completely wrapped up in the light polarity, it's about time that his higher self gives him some jolts to infuse himself with dark polarity also.

He's growing and probably breaking some experiential cycles he's been in the past. Good for him!

[deathcultreject]

Just IMHO. But i sometimes wonder if David were to do another trip (aya,shrooms etc) he might experience a renewed vigour. A 'reset' on some of the stress that builds up over the years. Be more chilled like in 'turning of the tide' etc.

I think a chill out before another trip would be a good idea; not just for David, but for anyone considering entheogens for guidance.

Also, the remote rainforest shamen have been getting killed off by marxist militias in the rainforests in recent years. There might not be as many true guides left, so we've sadly got to learn all the safety rules ourselves.

[jonny78]

Hope is a rather silly concept actually.

And I'm talking about the kind of they want us to believe in.

It's basically the idea that things will get better, in time, without actually having to do anything major or constructive. It's similar to the old definition of insanity-repeating the same process over and over and over again expecting different results. Their idea of hope simply keeps us locked in that same old prison praying for a savior to come rescue us.

And of course they will provide the savior (problem reaction solution). This time, their latest curve ball is Mr. Obama here. Another empty shill like Billy Clinton and Tony Blair. He got his start in the corrupt Chicago political scene and made his home with that nest of vipers. He's just doing the same now, expect on a bigger scale. He's moving on up. In fact, there's speculation that Obama's even been to Bohemian Grove with W and McCain.

Don't kid yourself, he's one of the boys now. Heck, he always was. Look at the the slime he associates with...unrepentent terrorists like Ayers and racist demagogues like Reverend Wright. Nothing's changed. Now, he's playing the big leagues and he's going to go along with the game plan or else he's going to end up like Kennedy.

He may end up a sacrifice anyway, whether he plays the game or not. I can't but wonder with all the racially motivated police executions happening in my country, that they're trying to set us Americans up for a little civil unrest.

[meksar]

Icke is just using some of his reptilian energy like we all do when are angry,stressed.He is not harming anyone and i doubt he is a gatekeeper for them.

[size_of_light]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

I just readed this article of his and the tone of it is indeed angry.
The things he said about 'hope' are a turn-off for me, because hope has kept me alive.
How the hell can it be a bad thing if it has such an effect?

What specifically did he say about 'hope' that turned you off, sade?

[bernardsmith]

Actions count before words. He is not in the seat yet so wait until he gets there before you "judge"
Lets see what happens when Bush is out and Obama is in.
Then we will see who is "naive" :)

HAHA.

You're in for a BIG disappointment my friend.

:rolleyes:

[nwoexposer]

David Icke is fine.

All he needs to do is stop drinking excessively (if he does so) and eat better quality food. Same with most people basically.

[lindasmith]

David does not drink excessively and he does eat healthy food.
Linda Smith, Durban, South Africa

[tothestars]

HAHA.

You're in for a BIG disappointment my friend.

:rolleyes:

Is that your hope?

[shane]

David Icke is fine.

All he needs to do is stop drinking excessively (if he does so) and eat better quality food. Same with most people basically.




You seem to have gotten David Icke confused with me :)

[carole21]

yea I thought you said vacination

[hordeari]

I am actually a bit worried about him now.
...............
The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


hey pal you are you sane? david is alright, but you are tho one we should be worried about, Obama ? i the wanna even comment that bull s. you said up there in the quote.. jesus ..get real wake up

[susano]

Oh, please. DI is right. Obamamessiah is a tool of international banksters. I'm an American and I have done and always do my homework on those who run for office. Beyond the blantant mind control, all one needs to learn about Obama can be located in his pathetic, NWO lackie, voting record.

[celtic isis]

why do people need to diss people like DI all the time...

what he said about Hope...look he more than likely just means the feable term hope, yes i have loads of hope, it's your human spirit, but hope in politics never delivers, that's the kind of naive feeling DI was calling hope.

And if DI is looking bad it's no wonder all the steorids he must be on for his arthritis, excessive drinking?

:confused:

[avian]

If you are worried, maybe you should read the article http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=54

The author doubt in Arisona Wilder and her role in the story.
Anyway, we should question everything, including what David writes and speaks. It's the only real defence from manipulation.

[jonny78]

I respect Icke's work, and I do believe there are reptilian beings working behind the scnes (as are there other beings) but I don't believe Arizona Wilder and I think sometimes Icke can be a bit too naive for his own good.

For one thing, she seems a bit manipulative. Like when she cried, bitched, and moaned that nobody believed her when she came forward with her story. She even wondered why she even bothered coming out, this and that. David felt sorry for her and chided supposed truth seekers for doubting her.

Look, if I had a story like that to tell and you didn't believe me I would UNDERSTAND. I mean come on lady, this is extreme stuff here. When it seemed like she played the "poor lil' me" card, that just raised a red flag for me.

[tinfoil tom]

I think that we should have no god (incl David) and that we should question everything. I belive that many of the peoples in the truth-movment say alot of truths, but alot is mixed with dis-info in my mind. The hard part is what.

If you are worried, maybe you should read the article http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=54

The author doubt in Arisona Wilder and her role in the story.
Anyway, we should question everything, including what David writes and speaks. It's the only real defence from manipulation.

Thanks for the link, deffinatly raises (more) questions.

I respect Icke's work, and I do believe there are reptilian beings working behind the scnes (as are there other beings) but I don't believe Arizona Wilder and I think sometimes Icke can be a bit too naive for his own good.

For one thing, she seems a bit manipulative. Like when she cried, bitched, and moaned that nobody believed her when she came forward with her story. She even wondered why she even bothered coming out, this and that. David felt sorry for her and chided supposed truth seekers for doubting her.

Look, if I had a story like that to tell and you didn't believe me I would UNDERSTAND. I mean come on lady, this is extreme stuff here. When it seemed like she played the "poor lil' me" card, that just raised a red flag for me.

[14april2000]

Is that your hope?

tothestars i can`t see how we should ever win over them ,they are Master of Deception and have controlling the world for 3000+ years. Most people are is still slepping and if you telling them about the nwo agenda they don`t listen they just continue with there dayly life.

They kill everyone that gets in way of them, the french, Prussian, Polish goverments help the american rebels in 1776-1783 with money and military assistance. The French paid a big price for that it is commenly known as the French Revolution started in 1789. Later the Germens paid a big to price to commenly known as WWI 1914-18, i don`t remember if poles also paid price but i can try to find if they it.

[zilky]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

O--BAAAAA--MA, you mean this one? OBAMA IS A LIAR - PROOF WATCH THIS Mass Hypnosis Worldwide http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=GRXVTnOku60

[14april2000]

[QUOTE=susano;753088]Oh, please. DI is right. Obamamessiah is a tool of international banksters. I'm an American and I have done and always do my homework on those who run for office. Beyond the blantant mind control, all one needs to learn about Obama can be located in his pathetic, NWO lackie, voting record.[/QUOTE

Thats right Obama is the most leftwing senator, and is the senator who has the most Pro "NWO" voting record.

[thetruthseeker]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

I just readed this article of his and the tone of it is indeed angry.
The things he said about 'hope' are a turn-off for me, because hope has kept me alive.
How the hell can it be a bad thing if it has such an effect?

Happiness is contagious

Yes it is but so is misery. Unfortunately when your job is to expose such negativity, evil people and evil acts and hidden secret agendas, it is bound to have an effect on your mental state if you are not strong enough to deal with it. As this quote states "What you focus on most of the time becomes your reality", if you let it. Focus on happiness however and happiness will manifest itself, it is contagious. I do what I can to expose the conspiracy but always need time out to re focus, chill out and then start again because reading all this negative stuff all the time can make you depressed and would send you crazy.
I think David has the stamina and fight to deal with it as we all should but we all at times are just exausted from the fight and get angry and lash out, and this fight is the biggest challenge humanity has ever faced with such a ruthless monolithic structure that has been covertly set up over literally thousands of years and is near it's completion which is why people are noticing something now and are starting to smell a rat and have a choice whether to yield to such power as an easy way out or fight for your freedom with every last breath.
As in the film "Braveheart" as William Wallace was asked by the Princess to swear allegiance to the tyranny of Edward Longshanks, King of England and maybe survive instead of suffering a horrible death, he replied "If I swear allegiance to him, all that I am is already dead". In other words if you are prepared to give up your freedom you sacrifice who you really are.
The greatest form of tyranny is the one you can't see, smell, taste and touch as David puts it "the prison without the bars". That is why these dispicable men have been able to build a covert empire behind the visible empires that have come and gone(in truth the same one just re-located several times) without no one knowing, because their attention was focussed on the empires they could see, smell, taste and touch and have been manipulated to adhere to a hidden tyranny that seeks control of everything including the air we breathe, the food we eat etc, including eventually our very thoughts without peoples knowledge, until now.
Now is the time to fight or give in. Peaceful opposition is always harder to follow because when faced with tyranny it is easy and tempting to fight fire with fire and riot on the streets to cause chaos and mayhem, but that is exactly what the tyranny want, to bring forth the solutions to the provoked and financed riots they caused, more control to keep the masses in line from protesting.

[jonny78]

Hell, I don't need David Icke to tell me something's not right about Obama.

Christ, it's obvious if you pay even half attention.

[jiffy]

[QUOTE=susano;753088]Oh, please. DI is right. Obamamessiah is a tool of international banksters. I'm an American and I have done and always do my homework on those who run for office. Beyond the blantant mind control, all one needs to learn about Obama can be located in his pathetic, NWO lackie, voting record.[/QUOTE

Thats right Obama is the most leftwing senator, and is the senator who has the most Pro "NWO" voting record.

Rather a contradiction in term, "leftwing" as in Socialist. Hardly, you cant have NWO objectives and be a product of international banker and be left wing:rolleyes:
You would be talking Nazism or Neo-Liberalism which is "right wing"
Seems that a lot of people on the other side of the pond confuse this fact, probably from the indoctrination you had regard Communism as the root of all evil ;)

[white horse]

Rather a contradiction in term, "leftwing" as in Socialist. Hardly, you cant have NWO objectives and be a product of international banker and be left wing:rolleyes:
You would be talking Nazism or Neo-Liberalism which is "right wing"
Seems that a lot of people on the other side of the pond confuse this fact, probably from the indoctrination you had regard Communism as the root of all evil ;)

Nah - it is all differnet shades of the same colour when it comes to the NWO puppet masters. Maybe in the 'real world' of politics (I don't beleive there is or ever has been one :mad:) then yeah, you tend to get a left/right polorisation.

Of course Obummer can be left and right wing at the same time, he is a NWO patsy; they are ostensibly right wing, i.e. fascist; however I can see Obahomma bringing in loads of apparantly 'socialist' welfare policies that benefit the poor, yet with th eother hand he will allow them to be squeezed ever tighter under a fascist yoke.

Did you not pay attantion to Bliar??

Socailist?? PAh!! But it WAS the first time in nearly 20 years we had had a decent welfare programme in the UK; things like SUre Start has truly benefitted the poorest of society with education and welfare; it has really helped people.

BUT - Bliar's regime was even more right wing and fascist than Thatcher; the difference is with Thatcher she stood up on a public forum and declared whole swathes of society the eneemy and stated that she was comming to gettem. You knew where you stood.

With Bliar, he claimed to be your friend, while quietly fucking you over, or allowing his mates to fuck you over.

I fear that the States have got their equivalanet of Bliar - he will pretend toi be the welfare king and be their friends; yet I bet he can slide under th e radar more fascist legislation than Bush could.

[storm knight]

We should show more support for this guy?
I dont even know how to do this without spending money. Maybe he needs love or help spiritually.

[kimone]

i think i would like to try them mushrooms lol ;)

[clachan]

What is the point of thinking Obama has any say at all in anything that matters ? He is only an image....end of ! It never ceases to amaze me how many people think he is what he seems , he does what he is told by those who paid for his campaign. I must say though, what a find......just perfect for the job !!
It was said that he could walk into a KKK meeting and come out 10 minutes later having secured their vote for his presidency !
I think he,s the nearest thing to revelations " Beast " we have ever seen.

[luciferhorus]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)


Judgment.

A moral judgment is a subjective discernment of good and evil. All human beings make moral judgments.

I am certainly a very judgemental person; as are all anti-Capitalists. Anyone who is familiar with David's writings over the years should be able to understand that David is also a very judgmental person who despises evil; a practical Anarchist definition of personified 'goodness' is 'rebellion against evil and resistance to authority;' all the martyrs of human history whom we revere from Prometheus to Che Guevara have been individuals in rebellion against the Archons of their Age.

Aggression

http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nazi-sh.jpg

If someone breaks into your home and attempts to murder your mother and enslave your family, it is entirely in accord with human nature to respond aggressively; if the result of that aggression is that your mother and your family are 'saved' then they would consider that an act of 'love.' If you attack a lion cub, the mother will quite likely attempt to take your life; she does so entirely in accordance with her nature.

The idea that we should 'love' evil is totally contrary to human nature; the good person resists and rebels against evil, and despises evil; only they who are themselves evil, love others who are evil.

Since I am coming from a Communist perspective, I consider pacifism and 'loving one's enemies and oppressors' to be antithetical to Communist philosophy.

http://www.therealcuba.com/che_01R.JPG


"A people without hate cannot triumph against the adversary..........."To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall!..............Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood..... With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!"

"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …
."....Guevara

http://www.agdei.com/blake.JPG

Psychic Attack.

I may be a political Communist, however in common with most of your here I am not a materialist and would identify myself as a 'spiritualist.'

David is certainly looking very frail these days. Indeed when I look at myself in the mirror, it is very much the last act of Dorian Gray. My profile photo is from 1998. My hair is now almost white and my health is failing.

http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/baphomet.gif

After many years as an almost full time Internet propagandist, in addition to the expected intellectual and philosophical 'attacks' and agruments, I am also entirely aware of numerous periods of intense 'psychic attacks;' often coming in waves which make me feel physically sick. I have noticed that a number of other Galstonbury spiritualists who are involved in what I would refer to as 'white magick' and the attempt bring about positive change in the world are also often chronically ill.

I very much doubt if David Icke could spend so many years engaged in attacking the world's ruling elites without also coming under this type of psychic attack; it is almost certain that those whom he is exposing would hate and despise David, and this has spiritual repercussions. I am an evangelical anti-Christians and I personally don't believe in 'praying' for anyone, but I do believe that it is possible through magick to protect someone and to direct positive energy and love towards them.

I too feel a little worried about David, but it entirely an intuition of brotherly love.

Love and Light

Lux

[flyermay]

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

You must have an enourmous amount of faith in you intuition, because all the evidences show that Obama has no intention to diviate from Bush's policies.

And about Obama "beating the illuminati in their own game", would it be too much to ask what are you talking about?

Hell, I don't need David Icke to tell me something's not right about Obama.

Christ, it's obvious if you pay even half attention.

People have simply lost the ability to realise when someone is lying. Unfortunately, I grew up surrounded by compulsive liars and I assure you that there is nothing easier for me than finding out when someone is doing it.

So far, I just saw Obama once being sincere. It was when he addressed the rest of world leaders present at the London G20 summit.

Just a tip, look at Obama's expression (from nose down) when he talks; he is not only lying, but also taken the piss-off everyone.

[clachan]

David Icke is fine, he is doing what he loves and there are so many who would give their left arm to do that.David IS being David,what more could a man want in life?
If any one of us achive 1% of what he has achived then we will have done our bit and I would like to think he would applaud our efforts.
Dont worry about David Icke.

[tothestars]

People have simply lost the ability to realise when someone is lying. Unfortunately, I grew up surrounded by compulsive liars and I assure you that there is nothing easier for me than finding out when someone is doing it.
.

From now on we can just ask you who is telling the truth and who is not eh.
You must be our saviour! Great! :D

;)

[flyermay]

From now on we can just ask you who is telling the truth and who is not eh.
You must be our saviour! Great! :D

;)

Why would you need to find a saviour; don't you think that´s the main problem with humanity? :)

But yes, or course I'm glad to help. But unfortunately, I can't save anyone; only priests and politicians can, apparently. ;)

[iliveinhope]

Yes Icke has a programming, he is an illuminati stooge.
blah, what do you mean by the above?

Thanks.

[flyermay]

Yes Icke has a programming, he is an illuminati stooge.
blah, what do you mean by the above?

Thanks.

If you are refering to my post, I was talking about Obama (plus other politicians and all priests).

And in regards to saviours, there is no doubt that Icke agrees that we need none; as in every lecture he asks for everyone to think for himself and follow no one.

[iliveinhope]

Thanks flyermay but i was referring to post no4.

[accuracy]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

Listen to Gareth's CD loud and chill out! :D

[accuracy]

Why would you need to find a saviour; don't you think that´s the main problem with humanity? :)

But yes, or course I'm glad to help. But unfortunately, I can't save anyone; only priests and politicians can, apparently. ;)

flyermay, you are not a credible being.

[flyermay]

flyermay, you are not a credible being.

And Obama IS a credible being, is that it? :D

[wakeuptime]

Obama is great if you like youth brigades and fascism. Bring em on!

David Icke is doing fine. Maybe just battle weary.

[subl1minal]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

I just readed this article of his and the tone of it is indeed angry.
The things he said about 'hope' are a turn-off for me, because hope has kept me alive.
How the hell can it be a bad thing if it has such an effect?

Because Hope is a false notion, it's sitting on your ass going 'I hope so'

When Hope is gone, that's when people actually get off their ass and DO something.

[consciousness]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

You may have a point. With all the talks David is having, it might wear him down, and he gets irritated.

Whatever you think you manifest, so since David talks so much about the illuminati etc. it's sure to have a negative effect on him.

[aratron]

ffs, just briefly looking at this thread.

don't worry about david ffs.

he's battled his demons for years now.

it's his madness which makes him so bloody brilliant.

[marpat]

Yeah, why worry about him. Betty Shine said he would be a global healer so I am sure he can heal himself

[infinategood]

ffs, just briefly looking at this thread.

don't worry about david ffs.

he's battled his demons for years now.

it's his madness which makes him so bloody brilliant.

YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH.

On a side note, Obama is just a puppet, you can hate him or love him, but he's still just a frigging PUPPET!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Love and light to all:):)

[catnik54]

No David is not OK. He is arrogant beyond belief. His books, at first, were inspiring. The politics were un-faultable,9/11, the illuminati elite, satanism. He chanelled a lot of people into action politically at a time when we were all tired, frustrated and losing it.What he said ,made sense. As a genuine psychic, with ESP and contact with spirits and spiritualism I identified with what he said about multi-dimensional reality and other frequencies. But as an educated woman I am beginning to feel he is now on shaky ground. I've read about five of his books, I've looked at his sources. There is no factual evidence for his theories about the reptilians, demons or aliens. He seems to have collected all the previous conspiracy theories of the past 100 years and mixed them with ancient methodologies and religions and come up with what he thinks are groundbreaking original truths. Come on, David, its all old hat, plaigarised mainly and marketed so it sells.You use all the mind control tricks on the audience that the opposition does. First you are the only one that knows the truth, you are the only one telling it and getting the information out there, your job is the most important in the world and you've done it at great personal cost out of love of truth and love for mankind, even enemies like Nick Griffen. There are a lot of religious values in your books like the 'love your enemies', directives . Poor man they tried to take away his innocent right to free speech.
Yes David!, Mind control!, if I hear you use the phrase, problem-reaction-solution one more time as if you invented it and were the first to see that US and UK imperialism create a rumpus and a war so they can stick their noses in
where they are not wanted and impose their iron will on a land or problem, I swear I will come and find you and punch you on your egotistic, arrogant nose. It takes a particularly ignorant and conceited Englishman to say to the other 99% of cultures in the world , cultures that have been oppressed and exploited for years, 'I am the only one that saw it'.After every major revelation comes your main aside, 'I saw it, I know it , only I tell it, I'm spreading the word, I wrote it, my research,new knowledge, what I've found out', all the time giving the impression you know, stuff ,we don't and only when the time is right can you reveal it, because its secret and dangerous right now. If that isn't an almighty MIND Control technique to keep people buying your books and stuff......What a fool I've been. I. Aside from which journalism is your game, selling your writings, filling your lecture halls, promoting the Icke money making machine and trying to make son Gareth a star. How come you can spend eight hours lecturing at 2000 people at a price of £37.00 a ticket all over the world, but you couldn't answer the question why? Why ?I asked do you defend Nick Griffen , BNP holocaust deniers? It would have taken ten minutes to e-mail me back, an honest , factual, educated answer ,but no , when criticised , attack, David you are defending your mind control tactics by going on the attack . If you ever had to explain yourself by backing up with solid evidence, documentary proof, pictures, science, you would fall flat on your face. Your rely on theories that are not your own and interpretations and obscure talking points.You point people in the direction of other peoples written work in lieu of providing your own evidence. You are selling answers to the unknown and unknowable, to our generation at least. But you're not even selling answers , you haven't got any.BUT your sales technique came into play,No! is the answer to why I defend Nick Griffen, the standard answer, free speech, don't give any thing else away, keep them guessing, gets them paying for books. Your MIND control tactics? Are, steamroller me down, accuse me of supporting
Tony Blair,( I never have and never would) and put words in my mouth and write an article extolling your own virtues and decrying my ignorance and self- centredness ,for daring to ask you ,why? David you stink, you've taken the whole world on a hippy,head trick by going to the left politics to the right politics , to old 50's 60's 70's conspiracies , myths ,a little bit of history, new age here, aliens there, satans and demons everywhere else. How much is 2000 tickets at £37.00 a go? Just on one afternoon in a lecture hall,£750.000.00, that how much. And how many years have you been lecturing?Too much to lose? You bet. So what next. Another book, Human Race Get Off Your Knees, nice, an old 1970's theory that the moon is an alien construct. David you make me sick! It's down to earth and back to reality for me, you've taken the goodwill and faith of a lot of downtrodden and oppressed people and trod all over it. Good honest ,decent people, you made them do the work, while you tour, lecture, plagerise books and get rich. But at least you got your own back on Terry Wogan and the Green party,eh? By copying other peoples ideas you concocted a spell and sold it to the people for hard cash. I hate you, I will shoot down all your lies and egotistic narcissistic me , me, me, theories to everyone I meet.And yes, you will get your people to call me a troll, but make sure no-one on the forum sees what she's written for long or has a proper look at what she means! David you accuse everyone of it, being self -centred and self obssessed. David people in positions they've worked hard to obtain, genuine people, in all areas have risked a lot to help you be heard and all you're selling is snake oil. You have put them in danger. You are a bloody pillock!You have lost all credibility in my eyes.You're the same journalistic opportunist as all the others but you make more money out of it. Go back to Peru, take some more hallucenagenic mushrooms, but please don't write a book about it, or stage at talk. it will just make me .....Yawn!Just stay there and Shut Up!

[beldazar]

Wow catnik54, I bet you feel loads better getting that one off your chest. :D

That was hard to read without paragraphs mind.

[catnik54]

Convenient how the only answer to anything I've posted is Troll...much like in Parliament when Baaaaaaaa... hum.....bug....drowns out the voice of truth..because there is always one there, and on that positive note.... I've done nothing or said nothing to be ashamed of.... let David show his evidence that his work is based on primary research and not just taken from somewhere else. You should remove all nine points of :how to react to trolls:and just put, ignore anything and anyone who doesn't contribute to the fantastic illusionary power of icke's regurgitated ideas and compulsory adolation of David Icke, once thought and ridiculed as MAD and now the main hero of the century...oh i mean since 1990, when the Green Party tired of the man's enormous ego...I'm no coward , I'd write my name.David knows who I am. I didn't put my name because I don't like or want attention. It's not me that's important its what I've got to contribute. I know a lot of people here and everywhere else agree with me. It doesn't make me a troublemaker or mean I'm trying to cause trouble, it does mean I don't like older, experienced, politically inclined,
egotists making money out of the young, the oppressed and those who are exploited in the world.

[beldazar]

you sound like a jilted lover :eek:

[wink]

No David is not OK. He is arrogant beyond belief. His books, at first, were inspiring. The politics were un-faultable,9/11, the illuminati elite, satanism. He chanelled a lot of people into action politically at a time when we were all tired, frustrated and losing it.What he said ,made sense. As a genuine psychic, with ESP and contact with spirits and spiritualism I identified with what he said about multi-dimensional reality and other frequencies. But as an educated woman I am beginning to feel he is now on shaky ground. I've read about five of his books, I've looked at his sources. There is no factual evidence for his theories about the reptilians, demons or aliens. He seems to have collected all the previous conspiracy theories of the past 100 years and mixed them with ancient methodologies and religions and come up with what he thinks are groundbreaking original truths. Come on, David, its all old hat, plaigarised mainly and marketed so it sells.You use all the mind control tricks on the audience that the opposition does. First you are the only one that knows the truth, you are the only one telling it and getting the information out there, your job is the most important in the world and you've done it at great personal cost out of love of truth and love for mankind, even enemies like Nick Griffen. There are a lot of religious values in your books like the 'love your enemies', directives . Poor man they tried to take away his innocent right to free speech.
Yes David!, Mind control!, if I hear you use the phrase, problem-reaction-solution one more time as if you invented it and were the first to see that US and UK imperialism create a rumpus and a war so they can stick their noses in
where they are not wanted and impose their iron will on a land or problem, I swear I will come and find you and punch you on your egotistic, arrogant nose. It takes a particularly ignorant and conceited Englishman to say to the other 99% of cultures in the world , cultures that have been oppressed and exploited for years, 'I am the only one that saw it'.After every major revelation comes your main aside, 'I saw it, I know it , only I tell it, I'm spreading the word, I wrote it, my research,new knowledge, what I've found out', all the time giving the impression you know, stuff ,we don't and only when the time is right can you reveal it, because its secret and dangerous right now. If that isn't an almighty MIND Control technique to keep people buying your books and stuff......What a fool I've been. I. Aside from which journalism is your game, selling your writings, filling your lecture halls, promoting the Icke money making machine and trying to make son Gareth a star. How come you can spend eight hours lecturing at 2000 people at a price of £37.00 a ticket all over the world, but you couldn't answer the question why? Why ?I asked do you defend Nick Griffen , BNP holocaust deniers? It would have taken ten minutes to e-mail me back, an honest , factual, educated answer ,but no , when criticised , attack, David you are defending your mind control tactics by going on the attack . If you ever had to explain yourself by backing up with solid evidence, documentary proof, pictures, science, you would fall flat on your face. Your rely on theories that are not your own and interpretations and obscure talking points.You point people in the direction of other peoples written work in lieu of providing your own evidence. You are selling answers to the unknown and unknowable, to our generation at least. But you're not even selling answers , you haven't got any.BUT your sales technique came into play,No! is the answer to why I defend Nick Griffen, the standard answer, free speech, don't give any thing else away, keep them guessing, gets them paying for books. Your MIND control tactics? Are, steamroller me down, accuse me of supporting
Tony Blair,( I never have and never would) and put words in my mouth and write an article extolling your own virtues and decrying my ignorance and self- centredness ,for daring to ask you ,why? David you stink, you've taken the whole world on a hippy,head trick by going to the left politics to the right politics , to old 50's 60's 70's conspiracies , myths ,a little bit of history, new age here, aliens there, satans and demons everywhere else. How much is 2000 tickets at £37.00 a go? Just on one afternoon in a lecture hall,£750.000.00, that how much. And how many years have you been lecturing?Too much to lose? You bet. So what next. Another book, Human Race Get Off Your Knees, nice, an old 1970's theory that the moon is an alien construct. David you make me sick! It's down to earth and back to reality for me, you've taken the goodwill and faith of a lot of downtrodden and oppressed people and trod all over it. Good honest ,decent people, you made them do the work, while you tour, lecture, plagerise books and get rich. But at least you got your own back on Terry Wogan and the Green party,eh? By copying other peoples ideas you concocted a spell and sold it to the people for hard cash. I hate you, I will shoot down all your lies and egotistic narcissistic me , me, me, theories to everyone I meet.And yes, you will get your people to call me a troll, but make sure no-one on the forum sees what she's written for long or has a proper look at what she means! David you accuse everyone of it, being self -centred and self obssessed. David people in positions they've worked hard to obtain, genuine people, in all areas have risked a lot to help you be heard and all you're selling is snake oil. You have put them in danger. You are a bloody pillock!You have lost all credibility in my eyes.You're the same journalistic opportunist as all the others but you make more money out of it. Go back to Peru, take some more hallucenagenic mushrooms, but please don't write a book about it, or stage at talk. it will just make me .....Yawn!Just stay there and Shut Up!

use of paragraphs fail.

[ytch]

I don´t know...

Let´s just assume this:

If he´s serious about the things he´s talking about,
if all of this is for real, at least in his reality,
how can he be o.k.?
How can he be not worried?
Or bitter sometimes?

I consider myself a teeny bit awakened and
in peace with this monopoly- mindfuck we´re forced to deal with,
but sometimes...

Then, if "tptb" are using manipulative and destructive magic,
which from my own experiance is real,
they must be bombarding him with negative energy
in all it´s variations and levels,
which will affect spiritual, mental and physical health.

So I worry about if he can keep his defence up at all times,
but I send him (amongst others) a little bit energy from time to time,
not much more I can do..
"prayers" (in any sense) might help to,
but I personally need some for myself these days...

So Mr Icke, keep it up
and treat youself with some icecream of your choice,

Love & Laughter,

y

[catnik54]

I don´t know...

Let´s just assume this:

If he´s serious about the things he´s talking about,
if all of this is for real, at least in his reality,
how can he be o.k.?
How can he be not worried?
Or bitter sometimes?

I consider myself a teeny bit awakened and
in peace with this monopoly- mindfuck we´re forced to deal with,
but sometimes...

Then, if "tptb" are using manipulative and destructive magic,
which from my own experiance is real,
they must be bombarding him with negative energy
in all it´s variations and levels,
which will affect spiritual, mental and physical health.

So I worry about if he can keep his defence up at all times,
but I send him (amongst others) a little bit energy from time to time,
not much more I can do..
"prayers" (in any sense) might help to,
but I personally need some for myself these days...

So Mr Icke, keep it up
and treat youself with some icecream of your choice,

Love & Laughter,

y

Well, please send me some healing too because the stuff David showcases on his website, I won't call it news ,I 'll call it second hand pastiche, is getting me down. I mean I worry about it all going on in the world too and I've been watching all the traumatic events since the early eighties unfold, coped with illness and having to earn a living. But I can't cope with David writing the same things in different books, accusing Royalty, and Powerful politicians of being pedophile and telling us its our responsibility to do something about it, because he is doing his bit traveling the world ,'waking people up'. That is outrageous. He should be standing outside the said pedophiles house with actual evidence and demanding that he is arrested, taking direct action himself, not making money and profiting about the subject matter and reporting of crime and criminals. He's exposes them now, what better way to cut the lecture circuit shoot than to stop touring, selling books and writing them and put your energies into personally, finding evidence and putting the person in jail. Go after the people you accuse David pick them off one by one until they are locked up. Prove you are in it for more than the money...? But I won't hold my breath.

Yes, poor David Icke , he must be worried..

[subl1minal]

Well, please send me some healing too because the stuff David showcases on his website, I won't call it news ,I 'll call it second hand pastiche, is getting me down. I mean I worry about it all going on in the world too and I've been watching all the traumatic events since the early eighties unfold, coped with illness and having to earn a living. But I can't cope with David writing the same things in different books, accusing Royalty, and Powerful politicians of being pedophile and telling us its our responsibility to do something about it, because he is doing his bit traveling the world ,'waking people up'. That is outrageous. He should be standing outside the said pedophiles house with actual evidence and demanding that he is arrested, taking direct action himself, not making money and profiting about the subject matter and reporting of crime and criminals. He's exposes them now, what better way to cut the lecture circuit shoot than to stop touring, selling books and writing them and put your energies into personally, finding evidence and putting the person in jail. Go after the people you accuse David pick them off one by one until they are locked up. Prove you are in it for more than the money...? But I won't hold my breath.

Yes, poor David Icke , he must be worried..

Yeah, like putting each one away in Prison is going to work.. when these people RUN those Prisons.. :rolleyes:

[ytch]

Well, please send me some healing too because the stuff David showcases on his website, I won't call it news ,I 'll call it second hand pastiche, is getting me down. I mean I worry about it all going on in the world too and I've been watching all the traumatic events since the early eighties unfold, coped with illness and having to earn a living. But I can't cope with David writing the same things in different books, accusing Royalty, and Powerful politicians of being pedophile and telling us its our responsibility to do something about it, because he is doing his bit traveling the world ,'waking people up'. That is outrageous. He should be standing outside the said pedophiles house with actual evidence and demanding that he is arrested, taking direct action himself, not making money and profiting about the subject matter and reporting of crime and criminals. He's exposes them now, what better way to cut the lecture circuit shoot than to stop touring, selling books and writing them and put your energies into personally, finding evidence and putting the person in jail. Go after the people you accuse David pick them off one by one until they are locked up. Prove you are in it for more than the money...? But I won't hold my breath.

Yes, poor David Icke , he must be worried..

Your first wish is granted and done,
hope you´ll be good,

but then, it´s a lot of responsibility you put on Mr. Icke.

By the way, I started my last post with something like "let´s assume..",
by wich I tried to indicate, that I´m not a blind follower of anybody,
but at least open minded about the things he has to say.

And that´s because I know the tips of some icebergs to be true.
No personal doubt about that.
No prove I could give.

Errh, "in it for the money"?
Where can I collect it?
I´m in desperate need:D

L&L,

y

[catnik54]

Yeah, like putting each one away in Prison is going to work.. when these people RUN those Prisons.. :rolleyes:

Yes, Ok good point, I concede.

[catnik54]

Your first wish is granted and done,
hope you´ll be good,

but then, it´s a lot of responsibility you put on Mr. Icke.

By the way, I started my last post with something like "let´s assume..",
by wich I tried to indicate, that I´m not a blind follower of anybody,
but at least open minded about the things he has to say.

And that´s because I know the tips of some icebergs to be true.
No personal doubt about that.
No prove I could give.

Errh, "in it for the money"?
Where can I collect it?
I´m in desperate need:D

L&L,

y

I apologize to you and David, bit hot-headed when it comes to politics and prone to overreact. Drama in the blood, comes from being born Greek. Lots of truth in what David says, doubt now he is in it just for profit, I can see that world leaders are satanic worshipers and that David is as vulnerable in this world as the rest of us. I don't begrude him making a living . Don't know that I can swallow this stuff about the moon though or the aliens. I don't doubt that aliens exist and that other life is in the universe. Can someone explain to me how they are both alien from a lower astral level and need human blood to retain human form and devil worshiping shapeshifters?If they are from lower astral level, is that hell? Aren't they then not aliens but demons, what do we know about the planets these aliens come from or the fourth dimension as David calls it. I get the feeling they are a million times more powerful than us because of everything we don't know, if all this is true.
Isn't it more likely that they are humans, very rich humans albeit devil worshipers who spent billions of our money developing technology that they haven't told us about and use for their own advantage.I know the stuff about Devil worshiping and pedophilia is true because of things reported and said before David started his work and made it public.

[ytch]

I apologize to you and David, bit hot-headed when it comes to politics and prone to overreact. Drama in the blood, comes from being born Greek. Lots of truth in what David says, doubt now he is in it just for profit, I can see that world leaders are satanic worshipers and that David is as vulnerable in this world as the rest of us. I don't begrude him making a living . Don't know that I can swallow this stuff about the moon though or the aliens. I don't doubt that aliens exist and that other life is in the universe. Can someone explain to me how they are both alien from a lower astral level and need human blood to retain human form and devil worshiping shapeshifters?If they are from lower astral level, is that hell? Aren't they then not aliens but demons, what do we know about the planets these aliens come from or the fourth dimension as David calls it. I get the feeling they are a million times more powerful than us because of everything we don't know, if all this is true.
Isn't it more likely that they are humans, very rich humans albeit devil worshipers who spent billions of our money developing technology that they haven't told us about and use for their own advantage.I know the stuff about Devil worshiping and pedophilia is true because of things reported and said before David started his work and made it public.

No need to apologize, really,
sometimes I get overwhelmed by all this info, so I try to select carefully
what and how many subjects at a time I research.

When this info starts to scare/depress you,
it´s been definatly too much,
this info CAN make you feel better,
if you can get a balanced look on it.

If it starts to make you think you´re still small and insignificant,
it serves the same purpose as the MSM:

scaring you shitless

Time to take a break then...


(I just got screwed AGAIN by people I considered my friends,
with friends standing by and looking away,
I´m frustrated, hurt, fearful,trustless
but I know it has not to be this way..

So I try not to turn into an asshole like so many,
thinking like"they screw me, I screw them harder,
and I´ll try to screw anybody who didn´t screw me
just to prevent them of screwing me first...)


About the moon- thing,
I haven´t read what Mr Icke has written in his new book,
so I can´t really discuss that.

But I always had a strange feeling about the moon,
the moonlanding pictures (they felt fake/tempered with to me
long before I ever heard of any conspiracy,
let alone the idea that there was actually no moon- landing).

There are tons of moon- pictures with strange anomalies,
lots of them just tricks of the eye, I suppose,
others make me go "hmmmm", especially when it comes to the official nasa- statements:rolleyes:.

I´ll have to see, if and how all this fits
into my conspiracy puzzle.

L&L,

y

[legaata]

Hope is a rather silly concept actually.
And I'm talking about the kind of they want us to believe in.
It's basically the idea that things will get better, in time, without actually having to do anything major or constructive.

Hope is the force that creates belief in the existence of what is good. This force is born out of previous positive experiences. The conditions for the existence of good may vary, and tey may indeed be to do nothing, but not necessarily.

Icke is just using some of his reptilian energy like we all do when are angry,stressed.He is not harming anyone and i doubt he is a gatekeeper for them.

Getting angry and adopting the reptilian mindset are two very different things.

HAHA. You're in for a BIG disappointment my friend. :rolleyes:

I think you are very naive bernardsmith who takes for granted something who do not know yet. IN fact you are just as naive as those who believed in Obama before he had shown his true face.

David Icke is fine.All he needs to do is stop drinking excessively (if he does so) and eat better quality food. Same with most people basically.

Your IQ must be very low, if you don't get that the concern of the threadposter is not about his physical health, but regarding his connection with truth.

why do people need to diss people like DI all the time... :confused:

For god's sake celtic read the initial post again, it agrees with the skill of David in finding the truth, it do not diss him like the sceptics, it is only concerned about him.

[thirdwave]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

im interesting in how on earth you think Obama is beating the "illuminati"???!!!

[thirdwave]

Judgment.

A moral judgment is a subjective discernment of good and evil. All human beings make moral judgments.

I am certainly a very judgemental person; as are all anti-Capitalists. Anyone who is familiar with David's writings over the years should be able to understand that David is also a very judgmental person who despises evil; a practical Anarchist definition of personified 'goodness' is 'rebellion against evil and resistance to authority;' all the martyrs of human history whom we revere from Prometheus to Che Guevara have been individuals in rebellion against the Archons of their Age.

Aggression

http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nazi-sh.jpg

If someone breaks into your home and attempts to murder your mother and enslave your family, it is entirely in accord with human nature to respond aggressively; if the result of that aggression is that your mother and your family are 'saved' then they would consider that an act of 'love.' If you attack a lion cub, the mother will quite likely attempt to take your life; she does so entirely in accordance with her nature.

The idea that we should 'love' evil is totally contrary to human nature; the good person resists and rebels against evil, and despises evil; only they who are themselves evil, love others who are evil.

Since I am coming from a Communist perspective, I consider pacifism and 'loving one's enemies and oppressors' to be antithetical to Communist philosophy.

http://www.therealcuba.com/che_01R.JPG


"A people without hate cannot triumph against the adversary..........."To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall!..............Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood..... With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!"

"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …
."....Guevara

http://www.agdei.com/blake.JPG

Psychic Attack.

I may be a political Communist, however in common with most of your here I am not a materialist and would identify myself as a 'spiritualist.'

David is certainly looking very frail these days. Indeed when I look at myself in the mirror, it is very much the last act of Dorian Gray. My profile photo is from 1998. My hair is now almost white and my health is failing.

http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/baphomet.gif

After many years as an almost full time Internet propagandist, in addition to the expected intellectual and philosophical 'attacks' and agruments, I am also entirely aware of numerous periods of intense 'psychic attacks;' often coming in waves which make me feel physically sick. I have noticed that a number of other Galstonbury spiritualists who are involved in what I would refer to as 'white magick' and the attempt bring about positive change in the world are also often chronically ill.

I very much doubt if David Icke could spend so many years engaged in attacking the world's ruling elites without also coming under this type of psychic attack; it is almost certain that those whom he is exposing would hate and despise David, and this has spiritual repercussions. I am an evangelical anti-Christians and I personally don't believe in 'praying' for anyone, but I do believe that it is possible through magick to protect someone and to direct positive energy and love towards them.

I too feel a little worried about David, but it entirely an intuition of brotherly love.

Love and Light

Lux

Very true

I once had a conversation with a person who works close to David and he went to a spiritual heeling who dragged some negative psychic energy out of him...

He told me "he does not know how David does it"...

the more you research things you more you will have differences with people like David as there is such a vast amount of info not everyone will learn or think the same things... but i think Icke has created some positive waves out there and deserves to be cut some slack..

you go to some forums and the dedication and focus some idiots have on attacking Icke more so than the criminals of the world hurting man kind everyday and its sad and pathetic..

It shows extreme immaturity or a contentment on remaining ignorant and just getting kicks out of scrutinising and attacking someone who brings awareness to subjects that do not always sit well.

[dontbeafraid]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)
I am glad you think he has lost it! That means he is getting closer to the truth! The guy is the sanest person I ever saw on the internet.

[alder]

I find it interesting that although "love is the only truth," Icke's discourse, like many other NWO conspiracy theorists, is rooted in fear. Isn't it ironic that people need to be "awakened" through fear in order to reach their full potential as conscious beings? Why is it that fear is needed to move people towards love. I know that Icke says that he is imparting the information and that there is no reason to fear it because when you are aware of your true power as a conscious being, there is nothing to fear. Just one more of life's paradoxes I guess...

[pound]

I find it interesting that although "love is the only truth," Icke's discourse, like many other NWO conspiracy theorists, is rooted in fear. Isn't it ironic that people need to be "awakened" through fear in order to reach their full potential as conscious beings? Why is it that fear is needed to move people towards love. I know that Icke says that he is imparting the information and that there is no reason to fear it because when you are aware of your true power as a conscious being, there is nothing to fear. Just one more of life's paradoxes I guess...


Icke exposes they're use of 'fear', which is in itself frightening. One can not help but to come across as rather 'scary' when discussing these kinds of things, but such is life. It isnt all peaches and herb'. But like Icke suggests there are ways to break past this, and replace it with 'love'.

[beldazar]

Icke exposes they're use of 'fear', which is in itself frightening. One can not help but to come across as rather 'scary' when discussing these kinds of things, but such is life. It isnt all peaches and herb'. But like Icke suggests there are ways to break past this, and replace it with 'love'.

Yes. I find that one a bit hard to do but in an interview with him the other day he mentions laughing at the whole system as it can't handle that one. Now I could go with that.

If you should feel fear, just laugh :D

(Watch out for the white van though)

[rowan22]

Messing with the fight or flight response is an old way of "training" subjects to surrender. Our system uses the natural autonomic response to keep people in a state of heightened vigilance which is actually designed to burn out our adrenal adaptive mechanism and leave us in a state of numbed paralysis.

The way to beat this isn't to reject fear. That is the means by which we are held in a state of internal conflict and tension. The way to go is to accept the fear. All our conditioning has reinforced the idea that when you are afraid you are weak and powerless, this is not so. In a state of accepting fear, we encounter our deepest and most sentient awareness of our own feelings and selves. And in this an eventual if not immediate empathy for others who suffer and whose safety is under threat.

Turning us against our own feelings of fear and vulnerability is exactly the point. Once you are revolted at a feeling level by your own humanity, it is a short step for you to be repelled by the humanity of your fellow people.

They want us despising one another, particularly those feelings which gives us direct access to that which has been called God.

[dreamweaver]

(Watch out for the white van though)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oOZT0MnFY50/RwXmT9W5yAI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/ZRhBKoWakrE/s400/white_van_man.gif

[rowan22]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oOZT0MnFY50/RwXmT9W5yAI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/ZRhBKoWakrE/s400/white_van_man.gif

Yep the old road rage is a classic example isn't it? We spend so much of our lives repressing our basic instincts and perceptions that our anger threshold is constantly breached by the everyday frustrations we all face. We are constantly being violated in our civil and intrinsic liberty and what else could be the result than to leave many with a ticking bomb of frustration and resentment which is further condemned by a ruling elite who have no problem obeying the law since it is written by them for them, no wonder their laws are further and further away from the common idea of justice!

[ethan_allen]

Yep the old road rage is a classic example isn't it? We spend so much of our lives repressing our basic instincts and perceptions that our anger threshold is constantly breached by the everyday frustrations we all face. We are constantly being violated in our civil and intrinsic liberty and what else could be the result than to leave many with a ticking bomb of frustration and resentment which is further condemned by a ruling elite who have no problem obeying the law since it is written by them for them, no wonder their laws are further and further away from the common idea of justice!

Normally, that's when TPTB sponsor some new threat and funnel all that rage and confusion at it (Jihaddist muslims, etc). When you sharpen your instincts of self-preservation and admit that it's the man in the suit with the shit eating grin that wants to attack you, no different than some wild animal, that's when our natural instincts will tell us how to proceed. Follow emotion and let it be the driving fuel of logic and action. They do not have to be mutually exclusive.

I'm hoping that this mindset will set off the great 'leap forward' that needs to happen in the future... if we have one. If you want to get back to nature, then grow a garden, don't look to mister government to regulate the vegetable industry. Afraid of crime? Then form a local neighborhood watch. Don't like taxes? Then refuse to pay them. The solutions lie with us. As Will Roberts likes to say, 'Get vocal local.'

[rowan22]

Normally, that's when TPTB sponsor some new threat and funnel all that rage and confusion at it (Jihaddist muslims, etc). When you sharpen your instincts of self-preservation and admit that it's the man in the suit with the shit eating grin that wants to attack you, no different than some wild animal, that's when our natural instincts will tell us how to proceed. Follow emotion and let it be the driving fuel of logic and action. They do not have to be mutually exclusive.

I'm hoping that this mindset will set off the great 'leap forward' that needs to happen in the future... if we have one. If you want to get back to nature, then grow a garden, don't look to mister government to regulate the vegetable industry. Afraid of crime? Then form a local neighborhood watch. Don't like taxes? Then refuse to pay them. The solutions lie with us. As Will Roberts likes to say, 'Get vocal local.'


I agree. And for those whose process is being "messed with" to misdirect righteous anger the best antidote is knowing oneself. From my experience the whole veil of deception is the result of people who cannot and will not allow their own sensitive soul to have a determining place in their lives. It is repressed because it is considered weak and powerless. This is the brain washing we suffer as children, the generational contempt for our feelings and the "do as we say" not as we do mindset is everywhere.

This is how imo we are easy prey for authority, the rote learned obedience and abuse we suffer makes compliance and bigotry seem like a natural response. When the truth is we are conditioned to react to whichever new external symbol of conflict we are programmed to react to, as you say Muslims, Jews, take a number it will be "truthers" next.

[beldazar]

Yep the old road rage is a classic example isn't it? We spend so much of our lives repressing our basic instincts and perceptions that our anger threshold is constantly breached by the everyday frustrations we all face. We are constantly being violated in our civil and intrinsic liberty and what else could be the result than to leave many with a ticking bomb of frustration and resentment which is further condemned by a ruling elite who have no problem obeying the law since it is written by them for them, no wonder their laws are further and further away from the common idea of justice!

You know, when I glanced at that picture I didn't see a man with road-rage, I saw a man with an expression on his face as if he is saying "way to go" and giving a big cheesy grin :o

[metacomet]

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))

What the fuck?

*stops reading*

[crystalline]

In answer to the OP, yes I agree, there does seem to be more anger, aggression, negativity and desperation. We are living in desperate times now though. I am not fully buying into the whole moon matrix thing and I am wondering if the inspiration is beginning to wear thin. I have tickets for the September event and will reserve judgement until then.

To tothestars:

Are you for real or are you taking the piss? That is a serious question.

[pound]

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))

Thats the first time Ive heard it put that way....lol

[rowan22]

You know, when I glanced at that picture I didn't see a man with road-rage, I saw a man with an expression on his face as if he is saying "way to go" and giving a big cheesy grin :o

I thought you had said "look out for the white van though" so I interpreted that to mean a threat or danger...no?

[beldazar]

I thought you had said "look out for the white van though" so I interpreted that to mean a threat or danger...no?

lol, no, the men with white coats coming to carry me away :o

[pound]

lol, no, the men with white coats coming to carry me away :o


....:eek: This is what I thought you meant. lol

[rowan22]

lol, no, the men with white coats coming to carry me away :o

White is the new black in coats at least. But the lightening bolts and skull have been replaced by bar coded bio metric identity chips lol. Its not are you Paranoid its are you Paranoid enough?

[the perfect one]

If anyone is worried about David -I suggest pming some dude name comstock on here , apparently he is running around pming other members and telling them he's thinking about calling someone on another poster(me). So, comstock the new man in the house , can solve all of David's problems too. Just ask Conslick, he's got the connections.;)