Worried about David

[tothestars]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

[armoured_amazon]

How about David worries about David and we worry about our ownselves? Who's not going to get annoyed/stressed/etc in our current climate? I imagine he's fine. It's hard to try and get a message to people who act like ostriches, burying their heads in the sand all the time.

:)

[alrick888]

Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?)

I thought you meant vaccination for a moment there.

I thought he was wrong about Obama too for a few weeks but you now what they say: "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is".

[blah]

Yes Icke has a programming, he is an illuminati stooge BUT he talks in metaphors as well, as if things were a dream. Now I think that he has felt the need to act when he had done for the greater good. Hes identifying whos in the know BUT dont worry about him. I worried about him for a while too, he knows his job, and what it entails that its abit dangerous for him.

I think the main thing is we should thank him and encourage him to do the good work. To realise that illuminati and there workers, are not always wrong. They have good and bad in them. But they are themselves dillusioned with narccistic, psychopathic programming, by whom? Reptiles and aliens. They are illuminated hence their name but... if you feel his newer books take on a tone that you dont like, then dont read them. They could have alot of disinfo in them.

[psych641]

Just IMHO. But i sometimes wonder if David were to do another trip (aya,shrooms etc) he might experience a renewed vigour. A 'reset' on some of the stress that builds up over the years. Be more chilled like in 'turning of the tide' etc.

[marpat]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

Why worry about what people think. If that is what you feel then say without fear. Dont let other bully you into toning it down. Nobody has a right to stamp on you for expressing an opinion.

Let him worry about himself.

[marpat]

Just IMHO. But i sometimes wonder if David were to do another trip (aya,shrooms etc) he might experience a renewed vigour. A 'reset' on some of the stress that builds up over the years. Be more chilled like in 'turning of the tide' etc.

Why should taking some mushrooms renew his vigour? if he has lost his vitality then this is a sign that he is out of contact with his inner being. A persons sense of vigour comes from their inner, spiritual energy not some mushroom trip. If the OP feels that Icke has become aggressive and judgemental then perhaps he is out of tune with the inner self. Are these qualities compatable with the infinite love that he writes of?

[dreamweaver]

Well, as someone who has only recently "discovered" him (obviously I've seen his stuff for years, agreed with some things, disagreed with a lot of others, but now I agree with him a lot more than I ever did), he seems perfectly fine to me. And a lot more chilled than, say, Alex Jones. :D

But if you know him better and think he's getting stressed, then you're probably right. Maybe he's becoming a victim of his own success, all the constant travel must take its toll.

[psych641]

Why should taking some mushrooms renew his vigour?

vigour isnt the right word, its the closest i could think of.

if he has lost his vitality then this is a sign that he is out of contact with his inner being.

yes, this is perhaps closer to what i meant.


A persons sense of vigour comes from their inner, spiritual energy..

yes, exactly!

..not some mushroom trip.

A few hours of ego-death can be a highly effective way of connecting with ones inner, spiritual energy. This is what drugs can offer.

(there may also be something along the 'reset' metaphor relating specifically to the tryptamine class of drugs; they seem to diminish OCD symptoms in at least some susceptable people for extended periods after use, i consider that the same holds true for the commoner (less specific) patterns of cognitive & behaviourial negativity)

[sade]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

I just readed this article of his and the tone of it is indeed angry.
The things he said about 'hope' are a turn-off for me, because hope has kept me alive.
How the hell can it be a bad thing if it has such an effect?

[alrick888]

Hope is just the flipside of fear. They always come together.
Most people oscillate between hope and fear constantly. The actual challenge is to live with hopelessness (I read that last line somewhere....).

At its core the plan has been to make Obama the focus of everything you hope for, believe in and want to change. This is why it has been crucial for him not to specify and detail what is meant by his 'hope, 'change' and 'believe'.

However, I can tell you what those words mean in the context of the Obama mind-game. They mean whatever you decide they mean or want them to mean. The idea is for you to project all that you stand for onto him and so he becomes the symbol of you and how you see the world. Specifics would destroy that 'I am whatever you want me to be' scenario and so you don't get any detail, just 'hope', 'change', and 'believe'.

Has Obama said he will take the troops out of Iraq?
No
Has Obama said he will move out of Afghanistan?
No
Has Obama said he will repeal the Patriot Act?
No

So where's the change?

[deprogrammed]

hope implies a wish for the future. it keeps people from doing anything NOW it is a means of control. i.e. gee i hope things will get better when obama comes to power meanwhile we give up all of our freedoms so obama can save us in the future. completely backwards if you ask me.

[tracker]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

yep , some how i do agree that the man needs to know when to rest .

I have not noticed any agression or bad ways about him , but i do know this ;

every person needs to rest , he has done fantastic works , but he does need a rest .

i noted this in one of his last themes when he said he was having sleep problems where he said he would suddenly fall asleep in deep sleep for a few mins then wake up all ready to go etc .

these are signs that i strongly believe he needs a rest , otherwise i agree with you , he is a good man and many love him . ( so to speak ) .:cool:

[soulja]

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))

lol that's hilarious and so so naive.. david's article on Obama was spot on imo.
even on this forum people are spellbound by this guy!

that's pretty depressing to be honest..


My intuition is backing me up on this one.


seems to me like your intuition is driven by wishfull thinking and not really in sync with reality..

[tothestars]

lol that's hilarious and so so naive.. david's article on Obama was spot on imo.
even on this forum people are spellbound by this guy!

that's pretty depressing to be honest..



seems to me like your intuition is driven by wishfull thinking and not really in sync with reality..

Actions count before words. He is not in the seat yet so wait until he gets there before you "judge"
Lets see what happens when Bush is out and Obama is in.
Then we will see who is "naive" :)

[deprogrammed]

If you are interested in actions then take a look at the actions obama has already taken. Curious the people he has appointed not to mention those who have backed him. Please do some research.

[shane]

I'm sorry, but anyone who even needed David Icke to tell them that Obama is a fraud really hasn't learned much...

[soul_traveller]

I'm sorry, but anyone who even needed David Icke to tell them that Obama is a fraud really hasn't learned much...

Very well put! I knew about this about Obama Charade all along not in research but via intuition. I kept telling people on some new age and rv sites where some people said that channelled info mentioned Obama is a new positive change. Vote for him. I kept jumping up and down and saying "NO!!!". Even now such people are completely brain washed, their firewall is up.

Its easy to be wise after the event and say I knew what David was saying all along.

But you are right anyone who is even slightly connected to their oversoul does not need David to remind then that its all a con.

Good to have some real people around here for a change.

[dreamweaver]

Very well put! I knew about this about Obama Charade all along not in research but via intuition. I kept telling people on some new age and rv sites where some people said that channelled info mentioned Obama is a new positive change. Vote for him. I kept jumping up and down and saying "NO!!!". Even now such people are completely brain washed, their firewall is up.

Its easy to be wise after the event and say I knew what David was saying all along.

But you are right anyone who is even slightly connected to their oversoul does not need David to remind then that its all a con.

Good to have some real people around here for a change.

I had so many people getting angry and shouting at me when I said he was only another puppet like all the others. Whoever you vote for, the government always gets in.

[le chuck]

Icke is 100% right :cool:

[white horse]

I had so many people getting angry and shouting at me when I said he was only another puppet like all the others. Whoever you vote for, the government always gets in.

It's very clever when you think about it, putting Obama in power was an inspired move!

Just like Blair 97 "I'm your friend, trust me"

Yeah right.

[bobhodge]

David Icke and David Shayler have both been through the same British Sis brainwashing experiments.

[lordzoma]

I would take this as a sign that david is spiritually growing. He has been so completely wrapped up in the light polarity, it's about time that his higher self gives him some jolts to infuse himself with dark polarity also.

He's growing and probably breaking some experiential cycles he's been in the past. Good for him!

[deathcultreject]

Just IMHO. But i sometimes wonder if David were to do another trip (aya,shrooms etc) he might experience a renewed vigour. A 'reset' on some of the stress that builds up over the years. Be more chilled like in 'turning of the tide' etc.

I think a chill out before another trip would be a good idea; not just for David, but for anyone considering entheogens for guidance.

Also, the remote rainforest shamen have been getting killed off by marxist militias in the rainforests in recent years. There might not be as many true guides left, so we've sadly got to learn all the safety rules ourselves.

[jonny78]

Hope is a rather silly concept actually.

And I'm talking about the kind of they want us to believe in.

It's basically the idea that things will get better, in time, without actually having to do anything major or constructive. It's similar to the old definition of insanity-repeating the same process over and over and over again expecting different results. Their idea of hope simply keeps us locked in that same old prison praying for a savior to come rescue us.

And of course they will provide the savior (problem reaction solution). This time, their latest curve ball is Mr. Obama here. Another empty shill like Billy Clinton and Tony Blair. He got his start in the corrupt Chicago political scene and made his home with that nest of vipers. He's just doing the same now, expect on a bigger scale. He's moving on up. In fact, there's speculation that Obama's even been to Bohemian Grove with W and McCain.

Don't kid yourself, he's one of the boys now. Heck, he always was. Look at the the slime he associates with...unrepentent terrorists like Ayers and racist demagogues like Reverend Wright. Nothing's changed. Now, he's playing the big leagues and he's going to go along with the game plan or else he's going to end up like Kennedy.

He may end up a sacrifice anyway, whether he plays the game or not. I can't but wonder with all the racially motivated police executions happening in my country, that they're trying to set us Americans up for a little civil unrest.

[meksar]

Icke is just using some of his reptilian energy like we all do when are angry,stressed.He is not harming anyone and i doubt he is a gatekeeper for them.

[size_of_light]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

I just readed this article of his and the tone of it is indeed angry.
The things he said about 'hope' are a turn-off for me, because hope has kept me alive.
How the hell can it be a bad thing if it has such an effect?

What specifically did he say about 'hope' that turned you off, sade?

[bernardsmith]

Actions count before words. He is not in the seat yet so wait until he gets there before you "judge"
Lets see what happens when Bush is out and Obama is in.
Then we will see who is "naive" :)

HAHA.

You're in for a BIG disappointment my friend.

:rolleyes:

[nwoexposer]

David Icke is fine.

All he needs to do is stop drinking excessively (if he does so) and eat better quality food. Same with most people basically.

[lindasmith]

David does not drink excessively and he does eat healthy food.
Linda Smith, Durban, South Africa

[tothestars]

HAHA.

You're in for a BIG disappointment my friend.

:rolleyes:

Is that your hope?

[shane]

David Icke is fine.

All he needs to do is stop drinking excessively (if he does so) and eat better quality food. Same with most people basically.




You seem to have gotten David Icke confused with me :)

[carole21]

yea I thought you said vacination

[hordeari]

I am actually a bit worried about him now.
...............
The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


hey pal you are you sane? david is alright, but you are tho one we should be worried about, Obama ? i the wanna even comment that bull s. you said up there in the quote.. jesus ..get real wake up

[susano]

Oh, please. DI is right. Obamamessiah is a tool of international banksters. I'm an American and I have done and always do my homework on those who run for office. Beyond the blantant mind control, all one needs to learn about Obama can be located in his pathetic, NWO lackie, voting record.

[celtic isis]

why do people need to diss people like DI all the time...

what he said about Hope...look he more than likely just means the feable term hope, yes i have loads of hope, it's your human spirit, but hope in politics never delivers, that's the kind of naive feeling DI was calling hope.

And if DI is looking bad it's no wonder all the steorids he must be on for his arthritis, excessive drinking?

:confused:

[avian]

If you are worried, maybe you should read the article http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=54

The author doubt in Arisona Wilder and her role in the story.
Anyway, we should question everything, including what David writes and speaks. It's the only real defence from manipulation.

[jonny78]

I respect Icke's work, and I do believe there are reptilian beings working behind the scnes (as are there other beings) but I don't believe Arizona Wilder and I think sometimes Icke can be a bit too naive for his own good.

For one thing, she seems a bit manipulative. Like when she cried, bitched, and moaned that nobody believed her when she came forward with her story. She even wondered why she even bothered coming out, this and that. David felt sorry for her and chided supposed truth seekers for doubting her.

Look, if I had a story like that to tell and you didn't believe me I would UNDERSTAND. I mean come on lady, this is extreme stuff here. When it seemed like she played the "poor lil' me" card, that just raised a red flag for me.

[tinfoil tom]

I think that we should have no god (incl David) and that we should question everything. I belive that many of the peoples in the truth-movment say alot of truths, but alot is mixed with dis-info in my mind. The hard part is what.

If you are worried, maybe you should read the article http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=54

The author doubt in Arisona Wilder and her role in the story.
Anyway, we should question everything, including what David writes and speaks. It's the only real defence from manipulation.

Thanks for the link, deffinatly raises (more) questions.

I respect Icke's work, and I do believe there are reptilian beings working behind the scnes (as are there other beings) but I don't believe Arizona Wilder and I think sometimes Icke can be a bit too naive for his own good.

For one thing, she seems a bit manipulative. Like when she cried, bitched, and moaned that nobody believed her when she came forward with her story. She even wondered why she even bothered coming out, this and that. David felt sorry for her and chided supposed truth seekers for doubting her.

Look, if I had a story like that to tell and you didn't believe me I would UNDERSTAND. I mean come on lady, this is extreme stuff here. When it seemed like she played the "poor lil' me" card, that just raised a red flag for me.

[14april2000]

Is that your hope?

tothestars i can`t see how we should ever win over them ,they are Master of Deception and have controlling the world for 3000+ years. Most people are is still slepping and if you telling them about the nwo agenda they don`t listen they just continue with there dayly life.

They kill everyone that gets in way of them, the french, Prussian, Polish goverments help the american rebels in 1776-1783 with money and military assistance. The French paid a big price for that it is commenly known as the French Revolution started in 1789. Later the Germens paid a big to price to commenly known as WWI 1914-18, i don`t remember if poles also paid price but i can try to find if they it.

[zilky]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

O--BAAAAA--MA, you mean this one? OBAMA IS A LIAR - PROOF WATCH THIS Mass Hypnosis Worldwide http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=GRXVTnOku60

[14april2000]

[QUOTE=susano;753088]Oh, please. DI is right. Obamamessiah is a tool of international banksters. I'm an American and I have done and always do my homework on those who run for office. Beyond the blantant mind control, all one needs to learn about Obama can be located in his pathetic, NWO lackie, voting record.[/QUOTE

Thats right Obama is the most leftwing senator, and is the senator who has the most Pro "NWO" voting record.

[thetruthseeker]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

I just readed this article of his and the tone of it is indeed angry.
The things he said about 'hope' are a turn-off for me, because hope has kept me alive.
How the hell can it be a bad thing if it has such an effect?

Happiness is contagious

Yes it is but so is misery. Unfortunately when your job is to expose such negativity, evil people and evil acts and hidden secret agendas, it is bound to have an effect on your mental state if you are not strong enough to deal with it. As this quote states "What you focus on most of the time becomes your reality", if you let it. Focus on happiness however and happiness will manifest itself, it is contagious. I do what I can to expose the conspiracy but always need time out to re focus, chill out and then start again because reading all this negative stuff all the time can make you depressed and would send you crazy.
I think David has the stamina and fight to deal with it as we all should but we all at times are just exausted from the fight and get angry and lash out, and this fight is the biggest challenge humanity has ever faced with such a ruthless monolithic structure that has been covertly set up over literally thousands of years and is near it's completion which is why people are noticing something now and are starting to smell a rat and have a choice whether to yield to such power as an easy way out or fight for your freedom with every last breath.
As in the film "Braveheart" as William Wallace was asked by the Princess to swear allegiance to the tyranny of Edward Longshanks, King of England and maybe survive instead of suffering a horrible death, he replied "If I swear allegiance to him, all that I am is already dead". In other words if you are prepared to give up your freedom you sacrifice who you really are.
The greatest form of tyranny is the one you can't see, smell, taste and touch as David puts it "the prison without the bars". That is why these dispicable men have been able to build a covert empire behind the visible empires that have come and gone(in truth the same one just re-located several times) without no one knowing, because their attention was focussed on the empires they could see, smell, taste and touch and have been manipulated to adhere to a hidden tyranny that seeks control of everything including the air we breathe, the food we eat etc, including eventually our very thoughts without peoples knowledge, until now.
Now is the time to fight or give in. Peaceful opposition is always harder to follow because when faced with tyranny it is easy and tempting to fight fire with fire and riot on the streets to cause chaos and mayhem, but that is exactly what the tyranny want, to bring forth the solutions to the provoked and financed riots they caused, more control to keep the masses in line from protesting.

[jonny78]

Hell, I don't need David Icke to tell me something's not right about Obama.

Christ, it's obvious if you pay even half attention.

[jiffy]

[QUOTE=susano;753088]Oh, please. DI is right. Obamamessiah is a tool of international banksters. I'm an American and I have done and always do my homework on those who run for office. Beyond the blantant mind control, all one needs to learn about Obama can be located in his pathetic, NWO lackie, voting record.[/QUOTE

Thats right Obama is the most leftwing senator, and is the senator who has the most Pro "NWO" voting record.

Rather a contradiction in term, "leftwing" as in Socialist. Hardly, you cant have NWO objectives and be a product of international banker and be left wing:rolleyes:
You would be talking Nazism or Neo-Liberalism which is "right wing"
Seems that a lot of people on the other side of the pond confuse this fact, probably from the indoctrination you had regard Communism as the root of all evil ;)

[white horse]

Rather a contradiction in term, "leftwing" as in Socialist. Hardly, you cant have NWO objectives and be a product of international banker and be left wing:rolleyes:
You would be talking Nazism or Neo-Liberalism which is "right wing"
Seems that a lot of people on the other side of the pond confuse this fact, probably from the indoctrination you had regard Communism as the root of all evil ;)

Nah - it is all differnet shades of the same colour when it comes to the NWO puppet masters. Maybe in the 'real world' of politics (I don't beleive there is or ever has been one :mad:) then yeah, you tend to get a left/right polorisation.

Of course Obummer can be left and right wing at the same time, he is a NWO patsy; they are ostensibly right wing, i.e. fascist; however I can see Obahomma bringing in loads of apparantly 'socialist' welfare policies that benefit the poor, yet with th eother hand he will allow them to be squeezed ever tighter under a fascist yoke.

Did you not pay attantion to Bliar??

Socailist?? PAh!! But it WAS the first time in nearly 20 years we had had a decent welfare programme in the UK; things like SUre Start has truly benefitted the poorest of society with education and welfare; it has really helped people.

BUT - Bliar's regime was even more right wing and fascist than Thatcher; the difference is with Thatcher she stood up on a public forum and declared whole swathes of society the eneemy and stated that she was comming to gettem. You knew where you stood.

With Bliar, he claimed to be your friend, while quietly fucking you over, or allowing his mates to fuck you over.

I fear that the States have got their equivalanet of Bliar - he will pretend toi be the welfare king and be their friends; yet I bet he can slide under th e radar more fascist legislation than Bush could.

[storm knight]

We should show more support for this guy?
I dont even know how to do this without spending money. Maybe he needs love or help spiritually.

[kimone]

i think i would like to try them mushrooms lol ;)

[clachan]

What is the point of thinking Obama has any say at all in anything that matters ? He is only an image....end of ! It never ceases to amaze me how many people think he is what he seems , he does what he is told by those who paid for his campaign. I must say though, what a find......just perfect for the job !!
It was said that he could walk into a KKK meeting and come out 10 minutes later having secured their vote for his presidency !
I think he,s the nearest thing to revelations " Beast " we have ever seen.

[luciferhorus]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)


Judgment.

A moral judgment is a subjective discernment of good and evil. All human beings make moral judgments.

I am certainly a very judgemental person; as are all anti-Capitalists. Anyone who is familiar with David's writings over the years should be able to understand that David is also a very judgmental person who despises evil; a practical Anarchist definition of personified 'goodness' is 'rebellion against evil and resistance to authority;' all the martyrs of human history whom we revere from Prometheus to Che Guevara have been individuals in rebellion against the Archons of their Age.

Aggression

http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nazi-sh.jpg

If someone breaks into your home and attempts to murder your mother and enslave your family, it is entirely in accord with human nature to respond aggressively; if the result of that aggression is that your mother and your family are 'saved' then they would consider that an act of 'love.' If you attack a lion cub, the mother will quite likely attempt to take your life; she does so entirely in accordance with her nature.

The idea that we should 'love' evil is totally contrary to human nature; the good person resists and rebels against evil, and despises evil; only they who are themselves evil, love others who are evil.

Since I am coming from a Communist perspective, I consider pacifism and 'loving one's enemies and oppressors' to be antithetical to Communist philosophy.

http://www.therealcuba.com/che_01R.JPG


"A people without hate cannot triumph against the adversary..........."To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall!..............Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood..... With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!"

"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …
."....Guevara

http://www.agdei.com/blake.JPG

Psychic Attack.

I may be a political Communist, however in common with most of your here I am not a materialist and would identify myself as a 'spiritualist.'

David is certainly looking very frail these days. Indeed when I look at myself in the mirror, it is very much the last act of Dorian Gray. My profile photo is from 1998. My hair is now almost white and my health is failing.

http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/baphomet.gif

After many years as an almost full time Internet propagandist, in addition to the expected intellectual and philosophical 'attacks' and agruments, I am also entirely aware of numerous periods of intense 'psychic attacks;' often coming in waves which make me feel physically sick. I have noticed that a number of other Galstonbury spiritualists who are involved in what I would refer to as 'white magick' and the attempt bring about positive change in the world are also often chronically ill.

I very much doubt if David Icke could spend so many years engaged in attacking the world's ruling elites without also coming under this type of psychic attack; it is almost certain that those whom he is exposing would hate and despise David, and this has spiritual repercussions. I am an evangelical anti-Christians and I personally don't believe in 'praying' for anyone, but I do believe that it is possible through magick to protect someone and to direct positive energy and love towards them.

I too feel a little worried about David, but it entirely an intuition of brotherly love.

Love and Light

Lux

[flyermay]

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

You must have an enourmous amount of faith in you intuition, because all the evidences show that Obama has no intention to diviate from Bush's policies.

And about Obama "beating the illuminati in their own game", would it be too much to ask what are you talking about?

Hell, I don't need David Icke to tell me something's not right about Obama.

Christ, it's obvious if you pay even half attention.

People have simply lost the ability to realise when someone is lying. Unfortunately, I grew up surrounded by compulsive liars and I assure you that there is nothing easier for me than finding out when someone is doing it.

So far, I just saw Obama once being sincere. It was when he addressed the rest of world leaders present at the London G20 summit.

Just a tip, look at Obama's expression (from nose down) when he talks; he is not only lying, but also taken the piss-off everyone.

[clachan]

David Icke is fine, he is doing what he loves and there are so many who would give their left arm to do that.David IS being David,what more could a man want in life?
If any one of us achive 1% of what he has achived then we will have done our bit and I would like to think he would applaud our efforts.
Dont worry about David Icke.

[tothestars]

People have simply lost the ability to realise when someone is lying. Unfortunately, I grew up surrounded by compulsive liars and I assure you that there is nothing easier for me than finding out when someone is doing it.
.

From now on we can just ask you who is telling the truth and who is not eh.
You must be our saviour! Great! :D

;)

[flyermay]

From now on we can just ask you who is telling the truth and who is not eh.
You must be our saviour! Great! :D

;)

Why would you need to find a saviour; don't you think that´s the main problem with humanity? :)

But yes, or course I'm glad to help. But unfortunately, I can't save anyone; only priests and politicians can, apparently. ;)

[iliveinhope]

Yes Icke has a programming, he is an illuminati stooge.
blah, what do you mean by the above?

Thanks.

[flyermay]

Yes Icke has a programming, he is an illuminati stooge.
blah, what do you mean by the above?

Thanks.

If you are refering to my post, I was talking about Obama (plus other politicians and all priests).

And in regards to saviours, there is no doubt that Icke agrees that we need none; as in every lecture he asks for everyone to think for himself and follow no one.

[iliveinhope]

Thanks flyermay but i was referring to post no4.

[accuracy]

David has opened my eyes. I am ever grateful for that

but

I thought i never would say this but recently Icke has lost it a bit imo.

I am actually a bit worried about him now.

In his latest book there are "bad" signs (a tone of aggression) and in his latest articles he acts aggressive and almost bit judgmental imo. He has always had a special tone i know that but it is about to tip over now. "The balance is rocking!"

The creativity is gone and he fails to see the good signs that are around (especially about Obama (which I believe is beating the Illuminati in their own game, cant people see it?))
My intuition is backing me up on this one.

Are there anyone else that has this feeling?


Perhaps David should consider having a vacction and get rid of some stress? (When did he last have one?) He is after all a human being (or at least embodied in a shape that requires some comfort).

If you are reading this David :D then plis consider (and forgive me) :) .

With Love and Joy


PS! Guys! please dont kill me for this,
I love David as you do (well as most in here do! :)

Listen to Gareth's CD loud and chill out! :D

[accuracy]

Why would you need to find a saviour; don't you think that´s the main problem with humanity? :)

But yes, or course I'm glad to help. But unfortunately, I can't save anyone; only priests and politicians can, apparently. ;)

flyermay, you are not a credible being.

[flyermay]

flyermay, you are not a credible being.

And Obama IS a credible being, is that it? :D

[wakeuptime]

Obama is great if you like youth brigades and fascism. Bring em on!

David Icke is doing fine. Maybe just battle weary.