Another of my Ghost Sightings?

[hagbard_celine]

I was at a friends the other evening. She lives in a mobile home and has a lovely, friendly English bull terrier called Joey. I got on well with Joey, as I seem to have a way with dogs even though I don't have my own one. As I was leaving I looked back at Joey and saw something amazing. Standing behind Joey was another dog. This was a very different dog, a small black mongrel with a bit of a scruffy coat. I only saw it for a moment, but it was definitely there.

What did I see? A hallucination? I'd had a few beers that night but nothing else "mind-expanding". Maybe it was the spirit-print of a friend or relartive of Joey's who'd died. Maybe it was Joey's spirit guide.

I don't understand the notion in some religions and spiritual persuasions that animals don't have souls (It was only in 1545 that the Church decided that women have souls!). Even scientists separate humans from other forms of life as being "intelligent" or "self-aware". I don't buy it. Anyone who owns a dog or cat can see that even though they're not as intelligent as us they still have personalities, character and the ability to contemplate and feel emotions. This struck me very clearly a few years ago when I was on a business trip in Cardiff. I was sitting in the bedroom of my B&B looking out of the window and watching the hotel's dog wandering around the garden. He was sniffing and looking around himself and pushing a little rubber ball with his paw. It made me realize that if I wasn't there watching him, then that dog would still be doing those things independant of my presence. That is consciousness.

A friend's cat also does something remarkable: His family like to feed dry bread to the birds in their garden, but they always feed them by putting the dry bread in the middle of the lawn, keeping it far away from any hiding place where the cat could jump out at them. One day the cat got wise to this. As soon as the family dropped the bread in the middle of the lawn he went over, picked it up and moved it over to a cluster of bushes where he could set up an ambush. This shows that the cat was capable of visualization and lateral thought.

Animals seem to have all the mental atributes that human have, albeit it at a much lower level. In that case it stands to reason that they have a soul too.

[viginti tres]

What a beautiful post, thanks for sharring that. This is the exact reason I decided to go vegan. Though I don't touch that poison soy and manage to get all the nutrients I need. I can't stand the thought of having an animal tortured and tormented just so that I can enjoy a steak. Besides the obvious morality of it all, the main reason I went vegan is that my sensitivity is increasing exponentially and to eat food with such a vibration puts me in a very low state.

[hagbard_celine]

What a beautiful post, thanks for sharring that. This is the exact reason I decided to go vegan. Though I don't touch that poison soy and manage to get all the nutrients I need. I can't stand the thought of having an animal tortured and tormented just so that I can enjoy a steak. Besides the obvious morality of it all, the main reason I went vegan is that my sensitivity is increasing exponentially and to eat food with such a vibration puts me in a very low state.


Thanks, mate.

I'm glad you feel better for it.

I've thought about going veggie or vegan, but then I think that plants have feelings too! Scientists know this now. A carrot or cabbage gives off chemical and electrical distress signals when it's pulled up. We have to eat something or we'll starve. In the film "Notting Hill" there's a very funny scene where Hugh Grant's character goes on a date with a girl who refuses to eat vegetables because she thinks it's cruel! It's made a joke of, but actually she's right!

I've found a solution in eating as much organic free-range food as possible. That way you know that even though the organisms have to die, they've lived a good healthy life first. I've eaten no meat except "happy meat" now for several years and it's done me a lot of good! Also happy meat, like all organic food, tastes so much better than factory farm crap.

[viginti tres]

Thanks, mate.

I'm glad you feel better for it.

I've thought about going veggie or vegan, but then I think that plants have feelings too! Scientists know this now. A carrot or cabbage gives off chemical and electrical distress signals when it's pulled up. We have to eat something or we'll starve. In the film "Notting Hill" there's a very funny scene where Hugh Grant's character goes on a date with a girl who refuses to eat vegetables because she thinks it's cruel! It's made a joke of, but actually she's right!

I've found a solution in eating as much organic free-range food as possible. That way you know that even though the organisms have to die, they've lived a good healthy life first. I've eaten no meat except "happy meat" now for several years and it's done me a lot of good! Also happy meat, like all organic food, tastes so much better than factory farm crap.

Yeah so true. My body wasn't agreeing with meat either so I had to go off it, but I'm not one of those vega-nazis lol, if your body needs meat than it needs meat. That 'happy meat' you are eating is the best to eat, the healthiest foods come from the healthiest animals (I can't see how people don't realise this, dir) not to mention the animals are not being fed GM. And what you said about fruit and vegies is so true, it's all life in one expression or another and different people require different nutrition.

[lumukanda]

Yeah so true. My body wasn't agreeing with meat either so I had to go off it, but I'm not one of those vega-nazis lol, if your body needs meat than it needs meat. That 'happy meat' you are eating is the best to eat, the healthiest foods come from the healthiest animals (I can't see how people don't realise this, dir) not to mention the animals are not being fed GM. And what you said about fruit and vegies is so true, it's all life in one expression or another and different people require different nutrition.
thank you for that! if it's one thing that really gets me are the veginazis, i respect everyone's right to take in what the feel they need to, i'm not supporting the meat industry though, that shit is sick, steroids, anti-biotics, and all that your eating, disgusting, i get my meat from my girlfriend's parents, where the animals are raised free of all that (as much as humanly possible of course), her dad even brushes the cows everyday, they love it!
i'll be honest though, as einstein said, i think eliminating meat is ultimately a good thing.

[viginti tres]

thank you for that! if it's one thing that really gets me are the veginazis, i respect everyone's right to take in what the feel they need to, i'm not supporting the meat industry though, that shit is sick, steroids, anti-biotics, and all that your eating, disgusting, i get my meat from my girlfriend's parents, where the animals are raised free of all that (as much as humanly possible of course), her dad even brushes the cows everyday, they love it!
i'll be honest though, as einstein said, i think eliminating meat is ultimately a good thing.

Lol. Brushes the cows everyday, that's classic. The cows would be happy with such an owner, their spirits would be high and they have the love of a caring owner who tends to them daily. This would be very positive and extremely nutritious meat to the body IMO, just think of how stress and anger and other low thoughtforms and actions effect our health.

Though the cow is to be one day slaughtered for food, at least it has led a beautiful life and for this it is blessed and dies with happiness, which would make any transitions that spirit has to make thereafter more comfortable. Perhaps it might be going too far but the cow might than be honoured to give its life so another may live, this is the cycle of all of nature after all.

[lumukanda]

well in some traditional cultures, one gives thanks to the animal that has been killed in the hunt, i know some native american tribes did this, as well as the bushmen people of southern africa.

the only disconserting thing about eating an animal that you have cared for so much, is just that, you care for it, you've built up a relationship and seen the various characters that each animal posesses, especially cows, sheep are a bit harder to identify with. it's a bit hypocritical on my part, i'll admit that much.

[viginti tres]

well in some traditional cultures, one gives thanks to the animal that has been killed in the hunt, i know some native american tribes did this, as well as the bushmen people of southern africa.

the only disconserting thing about eating an animal that you have cared for so much, is just that, you care for it, you've built up a relationship and seen the various characters that each animal posesses, especially cows, sheep are a bit harder to identify with. it's a bit hypocritical on my part, i'll admit that much.


Yes true, for him it might be like most people going to eat their cat or dog (mmmmmm silky terrier lol).

Have you heard the stories of the ancient tribes that would send the thought out that they need food and the animal would approach, willing to offer it's life for the nutrition of the tribe....I think it may have been Credo perhaps.

[lumukanda]

i have heard about that, it sounds very much like the bushmen, truly remarkable people, but then again it could also be the tonga-ile of the kariba gorge, who were said to communicate with animals telepathically, in fact they never spoke amongst themselves, this site was the most holy in africa, before the rhodesian government built what's today known as the kariba-bassa dam, flooding the most holy site in african culture, all a coincedence?

[abraxas]

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[thirdwave]

I just see animals as beings that are even more fine tuned into the 3D world... infact within the 3D world they are more perceptive than us in many cases....

and I think because they don't get side tracked by TV or self conscious things... they are more in tune with things outside of the 3D world....

its just that they are less conscious than us..... how odd would it be to see a Dog glare at the moon then look at you and look back at the moon again .....

its almost like animals can sense they are down the food chain.... less smart than humans.... so they are %100 focused on their strengths which is how they feel they can survive.... much like we are with our jobs... and things in everyday life that keep us from more important things in life...


regarding eating meat.... I think its very hard work and quite expensive to not eat meat but maintain a healthy diet.... I think people should first make more of an effort to stop some of the products mistreating the animals...if we need to eat you can say we have a right to kill them for their bodies.... but we have no right to control the life they live.....

again something that they seem to get away with....

[hagbard_celine]

I just see animals as beings that are even more fine tuned into the 3D world... infact within the 3D world they are more perceptive than us in many cases....

and I think because they don't get side tracked by TV or self conscious things... they are more in tune with things outside of the 3D world....

its just that they are less conscious than us..... how odd would it be to see a Dog glare at the moon then look at you and look back at the moon again .....

its almost like animals can sense they are down the food chain.... less smart than humans.... so they are %100 focused on their strengths which is how they feel they can survive.... much like we are with our jobs... and things in everyday life that keep us from more important things in life...


regarding eating meat.... I think its very hard work and quite expensive to not eat meat but maintain a healthy diet.... I think people should first make more of an effort to stop some of the products mistreating the animals...if we need to eat you can say we have a right to kill them for their bodies.... but we have no right to control the life they live.....

again something that they seem to get away with....

I think so too. There are plenty of farms these days who produce meat from organicaly-treated, free-range animals. This meat is far more healthy because it contains no chemicals and antibioltics. The poisonous chemicals the animal's own body releases when its in pain or stessed are not in there. It's not been stripped of its essential fatty acids. I, and everyone else I've asked, say it tastes much better too.