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the worm that turned
11-12-2008, 12:05 PM
I have read a lot of information and watched a lot of videos on this but I still have one major question...

Why do YOU want to become a Freeman?

1. You don't want to pay taxes or speeding tickets etc i.e. personal reasons
2. You GENUINELY want you and your families and friends to be freemen of the land and be free from persecution and corruption
3. You are just angry at the system and feel it is unfair
4. Another reason

If it is for 1 or 2 then I don't think being a Freeman is the right way forward. If you really believe in 2 and want to make a difference, then there are other ways to MAKE CHANGE. The odd person here and there becoming a Freeman and "taking on the system", I'm afraid, is going to make diddly squat difference.

There are ways to make changes BUT we need to work together and use the current system AGAINST those that wish to control us in a corrupt way. Together we are strong and together we can make the changes, but if you are in it for selfish reasons alone it won't work.

Views anyone?

pacoquerak
11-12-2008, 06:53 PM
There is no system, it's all a fairy tail. Or more a grade school recess of hypoglycemic kids and a few bullies who rule the lot.

I would rather die than be part of their system again.

I would like to be educated on a way to evade the legal system in the united states, not that i break laws, just that i don't want to be part of any of their system.

tien an
11-12-2008, 07:06 PM
I have read a lot of information and watched a lot of videos on this but I still have one major question...

Why do YOU want to become a Freeman?

1. You don't want to pay taxes or speeding tickets etc i.e. personal reasons
2. You GENUINELY want you and your families and friends to be freemen of the land and be free from persecution and corruption
3. You are just angry at the system and feel it is unfair
4. Another reason

If it is for 1 or 2 then I don't think being a Freeman is the right way forward. If you really believe in 2 and want to make a difference, then there are other ways to MAKE CHANGE. The odd person here and there becoming a Freeman and "taking on the system", I'm afraid, is going to make diddly squat difference.

There are ways to make changes BUT we need to work together and use the current system AGAINST those that wish to control us in a corrupt way. Together we are strong and together we can make the changes, but if you are in it for selfish reasons alone it won't work.

Views anyone?

4. (Another reason)
Given that the state 'owns' me, my child and, if/when she becomes a citizen of the UK, my wife...it is my duty to free us from slavery.
Exaggeration? I'll tell you when they're carting you off to wherever they want to take you.
I have many, many other reasons...
The EU fascist super-state that our (treasonous) government is marching us toward (no thank you)
The Codex Alimentaris that I don't want to be subject to.
The conviction I've held (for most of my 44 years) that I do not believe that anyone is 'born' better than anyone else...they accrue merit with deeds. (I don't want to be anyone's subject).
Taxes are becoming ridiculous: I have nothing against paying for our infrastructure (gaining control of my bond will take care of paying my taxes).
NB This is my personal view of taxation, not necessarily the view of all freemen.
I object to my labour being taxed.
I could go on...but I'm busy right now; I think you get the point.

pleasuredome
11-12-2008, 08:35 PM
Why do YOU want to become a Freeman?


cos it fuckin hell feels right to do it ;) :D

btw, the two ronnies were ace! although some idiot on here seems to think theyre some type of alcoholic beverage lol

marpat
11-12-2008, 10:09 PM
I have read a lot of information and watched a lot of videos on this but I still have one major question...

Why do YOU want to become a Freeman?

1. You don't want to pay taxes or speeding tickets etc i.e. personal reasons
2. You GENUINELY want you and your families and friends to be freemen of the land and be free from persecution and corruption
3. You are just angry at the system and feel it is unfair
4. Another reason

If it is for 1 or 2 then I don't think being a Freeman is the right way forward. If you really believe in 2 and want to make a difference, then there are other ways to MAKE CHANGE. The odd person here and there becoming a Freeman and "taking on the system", I'm afraid, is going to make diddly squat difference.

There are ways to make changes BUT we need to work together and use the current system AGAINST those that wish to control us in a corrupt way. Together we are strong and together we can make the changes, but if you are in it for selfish reasons alone it won't work.

Views anyone?

If you dont want to pay taxes then what happens when your wife is having a baby and you need medical help of if you house catches fire and you need the fire brigade to rescue a trapped family member from the house? just asking because.

I saw a program where people bought some land and lived in primitive huts but they still had to pay council tax to cover things like fire adn police cover, etc.

stickwhistler
11-12-2008, 10:28 PM
There are ways to make changes BUT we need to work together and use the current system AGAINST those that wish to control us in a corrupt way.

For years (decades!) I have got the best results by just that
i.e. using the system against 'them' - making 'them' obey their own rules.

However, in the last few years - since say 2000 - 'they' make
no pretense about obeying anything if it doesn't suit their
immediate purpose.

Now it is time to ignore their diktats.
Now it is time to declare that you are a freeman/freewoman.
When there are sufficient declarations, then 'something will have to give'.
As somebody uses in their Sig'.
If the slaves wore armbands, and realised how many there were,
they would know how powerful they were - and so would TPTB.
TPTB are cowards, and trick us, and hide from their responsibilities
and cower from blame.
E.g. Look at the police when caught beating up somebody - they lie,
and charge that person with assaulting them.
Look at politicians when asked a straight yes or no question.
They will never answer with a yes/no, but waffle on and say nothing
of substance.

Why not become a Freeman/Freewoman?
TPTB don't obey the rules.
There is NOTHING to lose!

tien an
11-12-2008, 10:39 PM
For years (decades!) I have got the best results by just that
i.e. using the system against 'them' - making 'them' obey their own rules.

However, in the last few years - since say 2000 - 'they' make
no pretense about obeying anything if it doesn't suit their
immediate purpose.

Now it is time to ignore their diktats.
Now it is time to declare that you are a freeman/freewoman.
When there are sufficient declarations, then 'something will have to give'.
As somebody uses in their Sig'.
If the slaves wore armbands, and realised how many there were,
they would know how powerful they were - and so would TPTB.
TPTB are cowards, and trick us, and hide from their responsibilities
and cower from blame.
E.g. Look at the police when caught beating up somebody - they lie,
and charge that person with assaulting them.
Look at politicians when asked a straight yes or no question.
They will never answer with a yes/no, but waffle on and say nothing
of substance.

Why not become a Freeman/Freewoman?
TPTB don't obey the rules.
There is NOTHING to lose!

Well said!

friendsinthesky
12-12-2008, 10:08 AM
However, in the last few years - since say 2000 - 'they' make
no pretense about obeying anything if it doesn't suit their
immediate purpose.

Now it is time to ignore their diktats.

There is NOTHING to lose!

Damn right!

the worm that turned
12-12-2008, 02:10 PM
If you dont want to pay taxes then what happens when your wife is having a baby and you need medical help of if you house catches fire and you need the fire brigade to rescue a trapped family member from the house? just asking because.

I saw a program where people bought some land and lived in primitive huts but they still had to pay council tax to cover things like fire adn police cover, etc.

So the key here is that you have a CHOICE as to what you pay for.

The main reason I set up this discussion was because if we have a common goal on what we want to achieve then it is easier to work together to achieve it.

Assuming that more people add to this thread then I will start collating peoples main points/gripes/reasons for change etc. and then build from there (basically do what politicians are supposed to do for us!!)

Cheers everyone so far :)

the worm that turned
12-12-2008, 02:11 PM
cos it fuckin hell feels right to do it ;) :D

btw, the two ronnies were ace! although some idiot on here seems to think theyre some type of alcoholic beverage lol

Yeah the Two Ronnies rock! Well, in a kind of seventies slightly cringey way :D

tien an
12-12-2008, 03:09 PM
So the key here is that you have a CHOICE as to what you pay for.

The main reason I set up this discussion was because if we have a common goal on what we want to achieve then it is easier to work together to achieve it.

Assuming that more people add to this thread then I will start collating peoples main points/gripes/reasons for change etc. and then build from there (basically do what politicians are supposed to do for us!!)

Cheers everyone so far :)

;)You're welcome.

As I mentioned earlier, it's not every wannabe-freeman's view of the taxation system, but I don't mind off-setting every tax that pays for the infrastructure, against my bond. All of them.
The exception is, in my humble opinion, income tax.

I reason thus:

Given that it is the CAPITALISED version of 'me' that is being taxed, they should not then be able to tax 'me' (the human being) as well.

the worm that turned
12-12-2008, 05:21 PM
;)You're welcome.

As I mentioned earlier, it's not every wannabe-freeman's view of the taxation system, but I don't mind off-setting every tax that pays for the infrastructure, against my bond. All of them.
The exception is, in my humble opinion, income tax.

I reason thus:

Given that it is the CAPITALISED version of 'me' that is being taxed, they should not then be able to tax 'me' (the human being) as well.

I am in the same boat as you then here. I agree in a system that FAIRLY provides for those that are unable to provide for themselves in the community. It does seem that we are being overtaxed and that those taxes are not being used fairly. Can we really prove that our bond is being used to collect taxes against our CAPITAL NAME??

The key here is to prove that the system is a scam and then tell everyone. Until then it is speculation...

pacoquerak
12-12-2008, 05:36 PM
So the key here is that you have a CHOICE as to what you pay for.

The main reason I set up this discussion was because if we have a common goal on what we want to achieve then it is easier to work together to achieve it.

Assuming that more people add to this thread then I will start collating peoples main points/gripes/reasons for change etc. and then build from there (basically do what politicians are supposed to do for us!!)

Cheers everyone so far :)

The most dangerous aspect of the NWO and the hidden revolution is the industrialization of agriculture and the commodification of food. We have lost our inherit rights of freedom and oneness with nature. No man will ever be free without a right to land. This is the most obvious aspect of the truth that the majority of the world is comprised of slaves.

Countries like Russia for instance which allows 4 hecters of land to be owned and cultivated untaxed are going the right direction.

What is frightening is if the United States ever went to war and got EMP'd and lost it's ability to import food, there wouldn't even be enough food for all the rich people in the country. We can't produce enough food for ourselves the way we are growing it here in the United States as of this day.

Someone is going to pay a price for being too much a part of the system, it won't be me.

monkfish
12-12-2008, 08:24 PM
Im going to really look into this freeman thing..i need to get as much know how as i can. I resent paying for my own enslavment and i resent paying our governments to kill inocent people around the world:mad:

boots
19-12-2008, 12:21 PM
Yeah the Two Ronnies rock! Well, in a kind of seventies slightly cringey way :D


Yeah I didn't mind the Two Ronnies. Quite good.


Bump.

rob menard
19-12-2008, 10:16 PM
Im going to really look into this freeman thing..i need to get as much know how as i can. I resent paying for my own enslavment and i resent paying our governments to kill inocent people around the world:mad:

Like paying for the ammo to go hunting with Dick Cheney, eh?

Rob

diamond dogs
20-12-2008, 05:31 PM
I really should be looking into the Freeman aspect as I was a pupil of a school aptly named Freeman's Endowed C of E it has been in existance for as long as I can remember but it was relocated some 30 years ago. I am not aware of too many other Freeman schools but proves this is by no means a new trend and would like to know more of the history of the Freeman?? http://www.freemans.northants.sch.uk/