Notice of Discharge of Penalty Charge Notice

[pleasuredome]

this is something i've put together to force an authority to never reply in any way, shape or form. please take a look and see if you think it needs ammending in any way.

if some of our more experienced Freemen say its good to go, then please use it for yourself.


[ADDRESS]


[DATE]

Re: FIXED PENALTY NOTICE AB12345678 - Issued [date]

Notice of Discharge of Outstanding Penalty Notice and Request for Clarification.

To [address]

You have apparently made allegations of criminal conduct against me.
You have apparently made demands upon me.
I do not understand those apparent demands and therefore cannot lawfully fulfil them.
I seek clarification of your document so that I may act according to the law and maintain my entire body of God given Natural Rights.
Failure to accept this offer to clarify and to do so completely and in good faith within 10 days will be deemed by all parties to mean you and your principal or other parties abandon all demands upon me.

I conditionally accept your offer to agree that I am [NAME] and that I owe £......., upon proof of claim of all of the following:

1. Upon proof of claim that I am a person and not a human being.
2. Upon proof of claim that you know what a ‘person’ actually is, legally speaking.
3. Upon proof of claim that you know what the difference between a ‘human being’ and a ‘person’ actually is, legally speaking.
4. Upon proof of claim that I am NAME and not Name
5. Upon proof of claim that the charge was the result of a lawful investigation unmarred by prejudice.
6. Upon proof of claim that I am a member of the society whose statutes and subsisting regulations you are enforcing.
7. Upon proof of claim that I showed you some sort of identification.
8 Upon proof of claim that there is a nameable society that I belong to and that the laws covered within this alleged transgression state that they apply to me within that named society

Answers to these questions must be under Oath or attestation, upon full commercial liability and penalty of perjury and received via registered mail to:

[ADDRESS]

no later than TEN (10) days from the date of original service as dated by way of Royal Mail
recorded delivery service. Further Notices issued or demands for payment thereafter by you or any third parties will be seen as a breach of Section 1 of The Protection from Harassment Act 1997 if you fall into dishonour by failing to respond within the ten days.


Sincerely and without ill will, vexation or frivolity
[Signature]

[red_ram]

Completely moist. Nice one!

[pleasuredome]

Completely moist. Nice one!

cheers mate. do you know if by adding your name below the signature you are confirming yourself as the legal fiction?

[red_ram]

cheers mate. do you know if by adding your name below the signature you are confirming yourself as the legal fiction?

I don't know if your signature has the same corporate effect as writing your name in capitals. But it's certainly a question worth asking.

[tracker]

this is something i've put together to force an authority to never reply in any way, shape or form. please take a look and see if you think it needs ammending in any way.

if some of our more experienced Freemen say its good to go, then please use it for yourself.

fkin hell ! pmsl ! :D
you makem good dont ya !

we need people like you in court .:D

you make me laugh but your so shit hot and on the ball i nearly fell of my seat .

what you like ah ?:D

[dondaz]

Yup, top shelf that one is mate. All guns blazing. They wont stand up to that...

...case closed!:D

[london_lad_84]

this is something i've put together to force an authority to never reply in any way, shape or form. please take a look and see if you think it needs ammending in any way.

if some of our more experienced Freemen say its good to go, then please use it for yourself.


If i was still driving and had a ticket i would use this. :D

That said, i had 4 or 5 tickets in my time driving and i didn't respond to 2 of them, heard nothing about fines, then again i had the wrong address on my license for a while, but the point im making is i dont think they follow up too much on the tickets probably because they know legally they dont have many legs to stand on, so if this piece of legal letter is produced, i would wager the fine might aswell not exist! lol

[tien an]

this is something i've put together to force an authority to never reply in any way, shape or form. please take a look and see if you think it needs ammending in any way.

if some of our more experienced Freemen say its good to go, then please use it for yourself.

Nice one pleasuredome.

I do have one criticism/question though:

Points 1 - 4 are in fact different versions of the same point. Why is this necessary? If I'm missing something, please tell me, but I think as it is it would only serve to wind the policeman up.
I can imagine in future (probably not too distant), the police will be getting a little extra instruction on how to deal with Freemen on the Land and will eventually see (these four points) as I do at the moment.

Don't let me put you off though!

[boots]

Assuming you are a freeman and have given your NoU amd CoR?

Then it's good.

You have not provided a "remedy" ie your bond number??? It helps to keep in honour.;)

It always help so they can balance the book's:rolleyes:


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[tracker]

Nice one pleasuredome.

I do have one criticism/question though:

Points 1 - 4 are in fact different versions of the same point.

its what law does , a way of playing their own game hehehe .:D

[griswald]

So..who,s going to put it to the test then;)

griswald

[pleasuredome]

Nice one pleasuredome.

I do have one criticism/question though:

Points 1 - 4 are in fact different versions of the same point. Why is this necessary? If I'm missing something, please tell me, but I think as it is it would only serve to wind the policeman up.
I can imagine in future (probably not too distant), the police will be getting a little extra instruction on how to deal with Freemen on the Land and will eventually see (these four points) as I do at the moment.

Don't let me put you off though!

hi tien.

this isnt to be given to a policeman its to be sent to the address that is on the penaly charge notice they send you.

thanks for the question. i can see your point that the question is about the same issue. do you or anyone else think it would be better to remove questions 2-4? or would it not matter?

[pleasuredome]

Assuming you are a freeman and have given your NoU amd CoR?

Then it's good.

You have not provided a "remedy" ie your bond number??? It helps to keep in honour.;)

It always help so they can balance the book's:rolleyes:


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why would i have needed to already have given NOU & COR? if we have to do that, before we take action like this, then what your saying is we have no choice but identify ourselves as persons

[pleasuredome]

So..who,s going to put it to the test then;)

griswald

i will, when im 100% happy with this doc, which should be in the next 2 weeks.

i'll definately keep you all informed of what happens. thanks for your messages of positivity :) :cool:

[tien an]

hi tien.

this isnt to be given to a policeman its to be sent to the address that is on the penaly charge notice they send you.

thanks for the question. i can see your point that the question is about the same issue. do you or anyone else think it would be better to remove questions 2-4? or would it not matter?

I really do think it will be detrimental to the cause to use all four...
Perhaps if you printed it off with only points 1 and 4 in place?

What I'm getting at is that we (the Freemanist movement) should really be looking to retain the moral high ground, not necessarily fight fire with fire when fighting water with fire works quite well too.

[boots]

why would i have needed to already have given NOU & COR? if we have to do that, before we take action like this, then what your saying is we have no choice but identify ourselves as persons

It would hold more weight in a legal arguement. Dont get me wrong I can see no reason why you can't put it out there.

But you do have to have broken that assumption of person, legally with a NoU&I and CoR. It's your proof to the establishment that you are a Freeman. It's easier to win that way and you can provide a bond payment and stay within honour of the legal process.


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[pleasuredome]

But you do have to have broken that assumption of person, legally with a NoU&I and CoR.
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i understand what you are saying, but if it automatically assumed that you are the person unless you provide proof otherwise (i cant see how that can be legal), then the police or anyone else wouldnt need to get you to consent, no?

[boots]

i understand what you are saying, but if it automatically assumed that you are the person unless you provide proof otherwise (i cant see how that can be legal), then the police or anyone else wouldnt need to get you to consent, no?

What if you said to a cop I'm a freeman OTL I dont have to show you a license or accept this fine.

He would probably say Prove it, and then he would summons you or they would just take you down to the station. For breaking one of their statutes, because legally with the courts you are their chattel.


You have the mind set but have you broken the presumption with the Government?


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[pleasuredome]

What if you said to a cop I'm a freeman OTL I dont have to show you a license or accept this fine.

He would probably say Prove it, and then he would summons you or they would just take you down to the station. For breaking one of their statutes, because legally with the courts you are their chattel.


You have the mind set but have you broken the presumption with the Government?


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i thought it was the cop who has to prove you are a person? if they cant, then they cant do anything. i dont understand where the presumption otherwise comes from. i can undertand how it can help make things easier though.

[truthseeker1980]

Right I'm completely confuzled.

What's legally a NoU&I and CoR. Sorry to be a little dumb but I aint really heard much about the bonds in our name and being a freeman.

Will this be able to help me with the Council Tax Summons?

How do i become a freeman on the land? What do i need to do? the guys at tpuc mentioned this but said i would need to go to a workshop whihc cost loads of money. is there anyway of learning how to do this for free?

[wellsyboy]

is there anyway of learning how to do this for free?

If there isn't, there needs to be, otherwise what is the difference of the ptb trying to rip us off or those initiated into freeman-ship trying to rip us off?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that if someone has spent a hell of a lot of time and effort in learning about being a Freeman of the land then they should be rewarded...but there are otherways to be rewarded other than through money. Surely the whole movement behind being a Freeman is to make everyone understand that they too can be free.

Also - Do you think Freemasons are initiated into learning how to be a Freeman?

[bones]

So..who,s going to put it to the test then;)

griswald

ive done this with a pcn and so far the council and collection services have just ignored all my notices!!!

ive even gone as far as to notice em if they come to my door i will charge em 500.00 gbp per visit, i even got it signed by a solicitor its now been 15 days since i sent it and ive had no respons.

the PCN was issued in july 20th 08 and im in complete honour as ive followed all there notices with my notices.

its a win win situation for me... watch this space...

[lesactive]

There are ways to do this for 'free' but all of them involve studying your ass off. The advantage of a seminar is that there will be others there on the same path that you can directly share info with and that info will be specific to your location.

There are many resources available, all of them varying from region to region and many with conflicting ideas so you have to learn to discern what is good and what is bad info. What I did when I started down this road is google every phrase related to the topic that I came across and cross reference everything until I understood how it would apply in my predicament. If you're really serious about pursuing this you can't expect things to be handed to you. The main reason those in the 'know' aren't going to lay it all out for you is because it would be both dangerous and impossible to be comprehensive and would lead to a thousand unanswerable questions in an international forum like this. You have to take your time and study, join other freedom forums to see what others are doing with this info, check the local statutes, weigh the risks and commit to one side or the other.

If you can't commit the time to learn on your own then this area of study is probably not for you. I'm not directing this post at anyone in particular just to those who are looking for a quick way out without wanting to wade through all the 'crap' to gain understanding. Think about it, what would happen if one of you were to take a template form, filled out the missing info and sent it in only to have it rejected. Would you know why? Would you be able to answer questions from those to whom you've sent the form?

So, don't be angry with us because we don't seem to want to divulge everything at once to you. Perhaps one day there will be a Ministry of Freemen where all the proper forms are in place but until then, you're on your own amongst a loose knit group of freedom loving people. You'll never know until you do something for yourself, and when you do you'll never feel better.

[pleasuredome]

ive done this with a pcn and so far the council and collection services have just ignored all my notices!!!

ive even gone as far as to notice em if they come to my door i will charge em 500.00 gbp per visit, i even got it signed by a solicitor its now been 15 days since i sent it and ive had no respons.

the PCN was issued in july 20th 08 and im in complete honour as ive followed all there notices with my notices.

its a win win situation for me... watch this space...

nice one!!! i'll crack a beer open for ya tonight ;) :D

[yozhik]

Don't get me wrong, I understand that if someone has spent a hell of a lot of time and effort in learning about being a Freeman of the land then they should be rewarded...but there are otherways to be rewarded other than through money. Surely the whole movement behind being a Freeman is to make everyone understand that they too can be free.


This makes me smile.

Firstly, you're confused between freedom and free-of-charge.
Secondly, being a Freeman is about taking responsibility, not taking.

If you don't want to financially reward someone who has personally invested the time and effort to learn how to do it, then your option is an easy one; make the same commitment. :)

Whether you're an enslaved citizen or a Freeman; there is no such thing as a free lunch :D

[griswald]

ive done this with a pcn and so far the council and collection services have just ignored all my notices!!!

ive even gone as far as to notice em if they come to my door i will charge em 500.00 gbp per visit, i even got it signed by a solicitor its now been 15 days since i sent it and ive had no respons.

the PCN was issued in july 20th 08 and im in complete honour as ive followed all there notices with my notices.

its a win win situation for me... watch this space...

So are you a fully fledged Nou&Cor, done the test and got the T shirt FREEMAN. You and Rob are the only ones I know, where,s the rest of you.

I hope things go the way you planned, good luck.;)

Sure we can always send you a redcross food parcel for the chrimbo if yer nabbed.:rolleyes:

griswald

[pleasuredome]

So are you a fully fledged Nou&Cor, done the test and got the T shirt FREEMAN. You and Rob are the only ones I know, where,s the rest of you.


dont worry, we're coming ;)

[dondaz]

1. Upon proof of claim that I am a person and not a human being.

4. Upon proof of claim that I am NAME and not Name

The advantage to this is being able to distinguish both in different ways, thereby making your case stronger.

How do i become a freeman on the land? What do i need to do? the guys at tpuc mentioned this but said i would need to go to a workshop whihc cost loads of money. is there anyway of learning how to do this for free?

I don't know what will work best for you but I've been studying laws, history, LSATS & have Rob Menards package & studying his work too. Got Law dictionaries & books & books on trusts & equitible remedies. Plus all the fantastic vids and info on the net. Been cross referencing a lot of things & this freeman concept really does pan out.

How much you want out of it depends on how much you put into it. I will be a Freeman On The Land by January. Anyone can make it to this stage. It's staying there with the integrity of Freeman Philosophy that will be the real test for most of us.

[tien an]

Right I'm completely confuzled.

What's legally a NoU&I and CoR. Sorry to be a little dumb but I aint really heard much about the bonds in our name and being a freeman.

Will this be able to help me with the Council Tax Summons?

How do i become a freeman on the land? What do i need to do? the guys at tpuc mentioned this but said i would need to go to a workshop whihc cost loads of money. is there anyway of learning how to do this for free?

This answer may piss you off just a little:

truthseeker (I like the moniker), I can't impress upon you strongly enough that anything to do with becoming a Freeman on the Land has to be researched by YOU.
If you don't understand what is written by others (from both sides of the fence), you won't be able to defend yourself.
YOU must learn what to say and when.
I haven't spent a penny on my research (apart from paying for my internet connection), and have already made leaps and bounds in assimilating the information necessary.
Doubtless, I have missed some, but I still have an open, functioning mind with which to find and understand the pieces of the puzzle that are missing.

Look at Dondaz's signature...it says it all.

...and here's the most important stuff as I see it. Take the time to download the vids because you may not have much more time to do so.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=627089&postcount=72

[malvern]

Anyone can make it to this stage. It's staying there with the integrity of Freeman Philosophy that will be the real test for most of us.


Too True ...... it is all about integrity of the Freeman Philosophy , a way of life and not a quick fix .

Look at Dondaz's signature...it says it all.

they are your rights and nobody is going out of thier way to tell you them and protect them , so there is only you .


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[howie]

Is there any way to use this after you've paid the fine? I was fined last year & paid the fine, this was before I knew anything about Freemen & I want to try to get my money back.

[dreamweaver]

This answer may piss you off just a little:

truthseeker (I like the moniker), I can't impress upon you strongly enough that anything to do with becoming a Freeman on the Land has to be researched by YOU.
If you don't understand what is written by others (from both sides of the fence), you won't be able to defend yourself.
YOU must learn what to say and when.
I haven't spent a penny on my research (apart from paying for my internet connection), and have already made leaps and bounds in assimilating the information necessary.

This is wonderful stuff, I'm well up for trying this. :D

I had never even heard of Freemen on the land before I discovered this forum, but I've successfully challenged speeding tickets in court using my own research so I think I should be able to manage this.

I definitely agree with what you say about having to do your own research, especially if things get as far as court. The prosecutors know all the tricks in the book and they'll definitely try to catch you out in the rough-and-tumble of court proceedings when they know you are representing yourself.

[pri01]

Is there any way to use this after you've paid the fine? I was fined last year & paid the fine, this was before I knew anything about Freemen & I want to try to get my money back.

I'm no expert. However,I think that if you pay the fine you in effect admit that you were wrong. So I don't think you would have any joy with getting a refund I'm afraid.