Did Rik Clay think the Illuminati are good guys ?

[steevo]

I am listening to Rik Clay on RedIceCreations and he SEEMS to be saying that 911 being an inside job was MEANT TO BE FOUND OUT so that we could all ascend to a new spiritual level (in other words the Illuminati had planned it that way on purpose for the good of us all). Ok, I have heard that argument before (and I know that it IS a possibility) but Rik Clay seems to think the Illuminati are doing it for a good reason, so that we basically accept spirituality. Surely if the Illuminati wanted us to be spiritual they could find a better way of doing it than that :confused: They kill millions of kids across the world and they want THAT to be the trigger to make us spiritual beings ? Rik Clay was full of shit if that is what he is saying IN MY OPINION.

[hagbard_celine]

I am listening to Rik Clay on RedIceCreations and he SEEMS to be saying that 911 being an inside job was MEANT TO BE FOUND OUT so that we could all ascend to a new spiritual level (in other words the Illuminati had planned it that way on purpose for the good of us all). Ok, I have heard that argument before but Rik Clay seems to think the Illuminati are doing it for a good reason, so that we basically accept spirituality. Surely if the Illuminati wanted us to be spiritual they could find a better way of doing it than that :confused: They kill millions of kids across the world and they want THAT to be the trigger to make us spiritual beings ? Rik Clay was full of shit if that is what he is saying IN MY OPINION.

that interview was a very deep and interesting mone. It's also tinged with poigniancy over Rik's fate. It's certainly worth listening too a second time, I'll do so.

[steevo]

that interview was a very deep and interesting mone. It's also tinged with poigniancy over Rik's fate. It's certainly worth listening too a second time, I'll do so.

I found those MP3's via this thread :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29038

I'm listening to the 2nd MP3 now. Yes it's all interesting stuff but cos of what I mentioned above, I'm starting to think that Rik Clay (who I havent really listened to before) may have got alot of it wrong. But obviously I'm aware that maybe it's me that's wrong. I wont ignore ALL his info but I disagree with what he said as I have mentioned above.

[steevo]

HC if you listen to that interview please let me know if you think i misunderstood what Rik Clay was saying (cos it wouldnt be the first time that I have misunderstood things lol :o:D).

[cruise4]

If we ARE in a time loop or something similar then drastic action might be called for to ensure humanity got out of it, and such action 'might' be taken by those that know the score, unilaterally. That might be the only available course of action.

I'm not saying I believe this, but the possibility remains. I do believe there is a chance that the overall conspiracy is bigger than we can perceive.

[steevo]

If we ARE in a time loop or something similar then drastic action might be called for to ensure humanity got out of it, and such action 'might' be taken by those that know the score, unilaterally. That might be the only available course of action.

I'm not saying I believe this, but the possibility remains. I do believe there is a chance that the overall conspiracy is bigger than we can perceive.

So you are open to the possibility that mass population reduction is a GOOD thing then ? Well, as long as it's not YOU that has to die eh ?

[steevo]

If we ARE in a time loop or something similar then drastic action might be called for to ensure humanity got out of it, and such action 'might' be taken by those that know the score, unilaterally. That might be the only available course of action.

I'm not saying I believe this, but the possibility remains. I do believe there is a chance that the overall conspiracy is bigger than we can perceive.

It would appear that you have to invite evil in for it to take control of you. It has to be invited. By staging 911, they are getting the populations to say "yes, PROTECT us from the terrorists". For you to want PROTECTION from a source outside of yourself, you obviously perceive your PROTECTOR as more powerful than you are. Protection equals control equals possession (as mentioned in that research video about Rhianna - Umbrella :D) . Fear has prompted you to INVITE them in.

[le chuck]

Did you notice on "I'M A CELEBRITY, GET ME OUT OF HERE" the winner's seat had a big devil star on the back and the way the emotion's were happy,tears,anger a whole range to feed on, but feed what?

It's the same with the xfactor, or is something drawing power from our very human emotion's?

[infin8_possibility]

Did you notice on "I'M A CELEBRITY, GET ME OUT OF HERE" the winner's seat had a big devil star on the back and the way the emotion's were happy,tears,anger a whole range to feed on, but feed what?

It's the same with the xfactor, or is something drawing power from our very human emotion's?

I have an idea, switch off your TV and stay on-topic..! :rolleyes:

[cruise4]

"So you are open to the possibility that mass population reduction is a GOOD thing then ? Well, as long as it's not YOU that has to die eh ? "

Steevo you have completely misinterpreted my post. Imagine if the matrix film was correct and we are really in pods now. Then what we call death in the Matrix is a false reality. If in it, of course it appears all wrong. Suppose the answer to release everyone was a simulation of complete wipeout in the matrix world...

Of course I cannot really believe this is true without some evidence, but as an intellectual possibility, sort of thing, the possibility IS there. If not this scenario then maybe another.

It's about simulated death in a false reality compared to real death and whether we can tell the difference. And only you mentioned population reduction hence my concentration in this answer on that aspect. Is taking the Red Pill equal to death? No... it was equal to life. Is perception reality? Is reality perception? Is life a simulation? I don't know. Do you kill people in video games 'for real'?

What that 'protector' and 'inviting them in' post is about I have no idea.

[free canada]

hi everyone

i have been away and have not posted on here for some time.

hope you are all doing well.

i have also weeded through alot of this data that we are bombarded with and had some new revilations regarding all this stuff.

as far as rik saying that the illuminati are doing us a favor or are good for us to get us to wake up. i have to disagree. i feel as though he had this POV because he listened to ian crane and that is one of the POV that ian crane has. i think that alot of these TRUTH SEEKERS like ian crane, david icke. alex jones, micheal tsarian. are controlled by the very people running the show wheather they know it or not. i think rik was onto very good information and that is why i pushed for his information to stay in the forfront as long as it did.

i know realize that forums like this are given to us so that our thoughts and ideas can be given to us and controlled.

if you want to get some real solid information and keep you sanity and not sound like an idiot when trying to wake others up then you have to listen to

ALAN WATT



i am really starting to understand how our minds are really controlled on all fronts.

for example take david icke. he gives us lots of DATA on the nwo, illuminati etc and then in the end comes out saying that thay are reptiles and then that it doesn't mater what happens to us because its all an illusion.

real convienient for the PTB if all there resistance is under the impression that its all an illusion.

i could go on for a long time on this but please just check out alan watt and you might just might get through all this extra shit that we weed through and keeps us from doing anything about it.

goto go

peace

[planetsadhana]

the illuminati are here to serve their god lucifer/devil/dark energy and to spread the low/dark energy...think rituals, wars murder, materialism etc
their consciousness has spread pyramid style to infiltrate the world, whereby the population either Knowing or unknowing are feeding on and spreading the low level/dark consciousness.

christ/god consciousness is the realigning with our source and is achieved by unconditional love, service to others and knowledge of your true self not the fake ego /persona.

We are all fragmented parts of the source, in order to return to the source we must see who we are and see who we are not...the work of polarity

It is an idea that the illuminatti know the play of polaritys as they are allready enlightened and have taken a decision out of love to spread low level consciousness in order for us to see what we are not.

IMO with us having freewill and choice, there is a battle for our souls a war of consciousness , unfortunately many have become lost in the illusion and have alligned them selves with the darkside.

I have not read or heard what rik clay said about the illuminatti but when i read this thread my own thoughts came to mind.