Freeman Resource Thread

[pleasuredome]

Please post links to websites, videos, pdfs etc.... with a brief explanation as to what it is if you like. there needs to be a thread where everyone can find stuff quickly instead of searching through a zillion threads trying to find information. please dont post responses to posts, just start another thread about it.

can this be made a sticky please?

some links:


http://www.tpuc.org/

http://debtlitigation.co.uk/services.php

http://www.thebcgroup.org.uk/

[alternative_answer]

Please post links to websites, videos, pdfs etc.... with a brief explanation as to what it is if you like. there needs to be a thread where everyone can find stuff quickly instead of searching through a zillion threads trying to find information. please dont post responses to posts, just start another thread about it.

can this be made a sticky please?

some links:


http://www.tpuc.org/

http://debtlitigation.co.uk/services.php

http://www.thebcgroup.org.uk/

http://www.nomoredebts.me.uk

http://www.thetruthwillout.com/common_law.html

http://www.lpuk.org/

[1694]

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ Office of public sector information.

Searchable database of UK Statutes.

[stickwhistler]

Every statute in force in the UK - Including Magna Carta & Bill of Rights 1689
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/

Right to Silence upheld Tuesday, 2 May, 2000
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/734018.stm

[h2pogo]

some good advice on how to respond to a judicial attack

thanks to stickwhistler for posting this on another thread.

http://http://web.archive.org/web/20070202062028/www.avoiceforchildren.com/documents/respond_to_contempt.htm

[pleasuredome]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u9xayBdBn_Q

[pleasuredome]

robert menard's 'Bursting Bubbles'

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...rsting+bubbles

[lesactive]

A class in shutting up put on by a lawyer and a cop. 2 videos, 1 hour total.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=don%27t+talk+to+cops&emb=0&aq=f#

Not freeman oriented but valid nonetheless (U.S., compare to local statutes):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCe6nQUX5c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJrQBwJpqk

[pleasuredome]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S_4efuOs4l0

link http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S_4efuOs4l0

[pleasuredome]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9YGsGhrbn7c

link http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9YGsGhrbn7c

[ag3nt5mith]

Mary-Elizabeth:croft's book.

http://www.freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdf

Content:- CLOBBERING EVERY BUREAUCRATIC CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY KNOWN TO MAN...

Youtube user:-

http://uk.youtube.com/user/21stCenturyPolitix

Content:- Uk Tax, Notice of understanding Claim of Right...

Youtube user:-

http://uk.youtube.com/user/TheAntiTerrorist

Content:- Corporations, dealing with the police, exposing the system...

Youtube User:-

http://uk.youtube.com/user/Beatleha

Content:- Claimed his Freeman status, My Word is My Bond 5 part series...

Website:-

http://www.adventuresinlegalland.com/

Content:- Not had time to look into this one yet.

Forum:-

http://thinkfreeforums.org/index.php

Content:- Lots of info & rob has posted lots there, good stuff.

Forum Thread:-

http://www.penaltychargesforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=45318&page=2

Content:- Dealing with collection agencies using common law, used this one myself. Good place to start a freeman topic and spread the word. I would do the same on paypalsucks.com

Sorry for any doubling up, I'm rushing to get this posted.

I'll edit in more when I get time.

Can we get some Freeman leaflets designed, I would be willing to deliver, oh say a few thousand or so. I was a postman for a time. ;)

Sorry not trying to go off topic here, but! I had an idea of spreading these leaflets effectively. Make them look like parking tickets and blitz a few dozen car parks, put them at the post office, on bus stops, on the bus, near cash machines, how about at work in the toilets, should make a good read while folks attend to some business. :)

I have a million of these rolling around in my head... :D

[lesactive]

Winston Shrout's Solutions in Commerce:

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/4116

A page of links to a loooong seminar: N. American info hosted on an
Australian site but the principles of commerce are universal.

[pleasuredome]

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/ABF6DDB6-DA04-4C74-8451-5AA3038E29B9/0/PEL_HF_AppFormnew.doc

shows the distinctions between natural person and corporation.

[alternative_answer]

Fantastic Free Man Resources people, keep em coming, they will benefit massively. knowledge is power. ;)

[ag3nt5mith]

http://www.dnb.co.uk/Default.asp

Dun & Bradstreet, see the Anti-Terrorist for more detailed information on this little gem.

I believe there is a thread here discussing it, what happened to the pool for buying some reports?

Content:- Corporations, and how pretty much every institution is actually a registered corporate entity, including the police & councils all doing business in commerce.

I can't back this up as I ain't got the cash to buy the reports, I was think that as D&B is a 'person' are they not bound by the freedom of information Act, just a thought.

[pleasuredome]

Common Law Constitutionalism - A Different View (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1147423)

[pleasuredome]

Examples of Claim of Right and Understanding of Intent (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44688)

[thebarfly1]

For The Paddies:

Magna Charta Hiberniae (http://ua_tuathal.tripod.com/magna.html)

List of All Statutes and Acts from 1066 - 1922 Still in Force in Ireland (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/plweb-cgi/fastweb?state_id=1220707538&view=ag-view&docrank=3&numhitsfound=127&query=malicious&query_rule=(($query1)%3C%3DYEAR%3C%3D($query2))%20 AND%20(($query3))%3ATITLE%20AND%20(($query4))%3Anu mber%20AND%20(($query5))%3Asectionno%20AND%20(($qu ery))&query1=1960&query2=2002&docid=71250&docdb=Acts&dbname=Acts&dbname=SIs&sorting=none&operator=and&TemplateName=predoc.tmpl&setCookie=1) - (includes pre-union and UK acts and statutes) - you'll have to google for the individual statutes and acts that have been implemented, although some don't seem to be on the wibbly wobbly web - most of the old UK ones are available on british or aussie websites though

[griswald]

Found this interesting article about signing your name,


http://mhkeehn.tripod.com/TradeNameBinder.pdf

griswald

[dondaz]

I'm a bit late in posting on this thread, sorry:

Rob Menard - ThinkFree Presents:

Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci... (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci...)

The Magnificent Deception
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...)

Lawful Excuse:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci... (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci...)

Security Of The Person
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...)

Demockery
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...)

Radio appearance:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci... (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2878719493946574491&ei=61PnSKjxJIKM_QHws5n4Dw&q=robert+arthur+menard)

Audio Clips:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci... (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-215419265211020281&ei=IVXnSNebH4Ts-wGGsYn9Dw&q=robert+arthur+menard)


Winston Shrout: Solutions in Commerce

http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...)

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[vienna]

I'm a bit late in posting on this thread, sorry:

Rob Menard - ThinkFree Presents:

Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci... (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci...)

The Magnificent Deception
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...)

Lawful Excuse:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci... (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci...)

Security Of The Person
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...)

Demockery
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...)

Radio appearance:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci... (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2878719493946574491&ei=61PnSKjxJIKM_QHws5n4Dw&q=robert+arthur+menard)

Audio Clips:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doci... (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-215419265211020281&ei=IVXnSNebH4Ts-wGGsYn9Dw&q=robert+arthur+menard)


Winston Shrout: Solutions in Commerce

http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...)

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I notice google have removed alot of those clips when I tried to download them

EDIT: type into search engine for another root - but I highly recomend people keep a copy before you watch

[4879]

European forum about this subject, the Dutch are very active in it.
http://www.claimyourrights.eu/

[fnulnu]

One for those who were wondering about the origins of "Commercial Redemption"

"Originally a farmer from Minnesota, Roger Elvick is now credited as the founder of what has come to be known as the “Redemption Process1” or otherwise known as “Commercial Redemption,” which is a complex esoteric, theological, metaphysical, quasi-legal theory, which involves the Federal Reserve System, The Internal Revenue Service, House Joint Resolution 192 of June 5th 1933, The United States being a bankrupt corporation, including but not limited to the United States Government creating a secret “corporate” dopple ganger as a means of extracting taxes i.e. economic energy from the United States citizenry as a means of control. The Redemption process also has many associated and often times unorthodox procedures, many of which are championed by many legal researchers such as Winston Shrout, Jack Smith, Rice McCleoud and many others throughout America, let alone the world. According to online sources Elvick spent more than ten years developing the Redemption Process, but in so doing he made mistakes, which landed him and others in prison."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8757346216985678105

[1694]

When did this start? I remeber watching an episode of King of the Hill as a youngster and in it the "conspiracy" one who smokes, wears a liught blue shirt and dark blue baseball cap was in a court room. When the judge asked him a question he piped up with "The flag in this court room has a gold edging indicating it is a flag of the admiralty, I do not recognise the jurisdiction of an Admiralty court" The judge just told him to get out.

I don't know why but that stuck with me for a decade or so and has been bugging me ever since I came across the concept of commercial redemption.

[fnulnu]

When did this start? I remeber watching an episode of King of the Hill as a youngster and in it the "conspiracy" one who smokes, wears a liught blue shirt and dark blue baseball cap was in a court room. When the judge asked him a question he piped up with "The flag in this court room has a gold edging indicating it is a flag of the admiralty, I do not recognise the jurisdiction of an Admiralty court" The judge just told him to get out.

I don't know why but that stuck with me for a decade or so and has been bugging me ever since I came across the concept of commercial redemption.

1694,this thread is for listing links,not discussion,so maybe the mods could split these two last posts off into another thread and I'll try to present the smattering of information I have on the admiralty side (which isn't much yet).:) The flag is a story in itself.

smilie indicates that the reply is not to be read in an admonishing tone lol

EDIT:Just incase the thread doesn't get split,I'll simply link to some sources,which I've found to try & piece it all together.As far as I can discern,Roger Elvick based his procedure on the findings of many others,and tried to consolidate them all.One was named Hartford Van Dyke,whose tactics centred around "common-law liens".

"The Founding Fathers authorized three legal systems in the Constitution, first Common Law, secondly Equity Law, and thirdly Admiralty Law, which is the law of the sea. Gradually Common Law has been displaced by Equity Law until today the Common Law is rarely heard of or understood because it has been covered up and hidden away by the legal profession for very understandable business reasons. Such people are pursuing their own private agenda. In fact the Common Law is generally looked upon as obscene, example: to have a common law marriage is considered to be unclean. Why? The first marriage license in the United States was issued in 1863. The question is not whether some third party should or should not perform the service; it is whether sovereigns must get permission from their servants (the government) before they can be married."

http://www.freedomdomain.com/Redemption/comliens1.html

"THE SECRET OF THE SPECIAL MARITIME JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES EXPOSED"

http://216.239.59.132/search?q=cache:FZzaXEKiRXAJ:usa-the-republic.com/items%2520of%2520interest/Special%2520Maritime%2520Exposed.pdf+http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/specialmaritimeexposed.pdf&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

Reveals that the basis of the belief stems from a lawyer named Proctor Wiswall (Frank L Wiswall) & his lecture:

http://freedom-school.com/the-1994-ebsworth.pdf

RE: The flag...I'm still mulling this one over.

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/martiallaw.htm


http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=31086

[goldman]

Fantastic Free Man Resources people, keep em coming, they will benefit massively. knowledge is power. ;)

Wrong. knowledge isn't power, you've been misled. Intuition and the sense of having a soul is what is tuning your perception of truth. Knowledge is what starts fires, knowledge is that what knitted the invisible noose around your neck, and you want more knowledge to escape the noose that was created with knowledge? There will be a day when they will say: Jump, or we will help you with it.

Behold those who seek power, they will become powerless.


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[boots]

Wrong. knowledge isn't power, you've been misled. Intuition and the sense of having a soul is what is tuning your perception of truth. Knowledge is what starts fires, knowledge is that what knitted the invisible noose around your neck, and you want more knowledge to escape the noose that was created with knowledge? There will be a day when they will say: Jump, or we will help you with it.

Behold those who seek power, they will become powerless.


--

Get a grip.

To know is to understand.

How do you think you can write what you have written, by using intuition.

Have any resources to share? No. Then fuck off.

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[fnulnu]

I just happened upon this geocities sitebelonging to Dave-Thomas Hutchings Freeman-On-The-Land .
http://sites.google.com/site/freemanonthelandproject/Home
Freeman-on-the-Land-Project
This website is a result of a 'study group'.
We are enthusiasts of 'Solutions in Commerce' as advocated by:
Winston Shrout, Mary Croft ,Robert Menard ,
Mark McMurtie - among others

[goldman]

Get a grip.

To know is to understand.

How do you think you can write what you have written, by using intuition.

Have any resources to share? No. Then fuck off.

.

so you want to stand-under? stand under lies? your choice, but please don't insult me because of it.

[boots]

so you want to stand-under? stand under lies? your choice, but please don't insult me because of it.

Ha. The only one that stands under is you.

How interesting that you use this term "stand under" which is legalese that the court system use to make a person bow down too them and stay with in their control. Yet here you are turning this statement around for your own benefit. To troll.

HAVE ANY RESOURCES TO SHARE?? NO, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO.


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[goldman]

Ha. The only one that stands under is you.

How interesting that you use this term "stand under" which is legalese that the court system use to make a person bow down too them and stay with in their control. Yet here you are turning this statement around for your own benefit. To troll.

HAVE ANY RESOURCES TO SHARE?? NO, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO.


.

Yeah it's right isn't it, having proper argumentative opinions makes you a troll. what does that makes you?

Yeah I have plenty of resources to share let's start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Freemen

Members of the Montana Freemen and their sentences

* Emmett Clark - (Pled guilty) [2] Time served plus 3 years under supervision [3]
* Richard Clark - 12 years [4]
* James Hance - 5 years, 7 months [5]
* John Hance - 5 years, 3 months
* Steven Hance - 6 years, 6 months
* Lavon T. Hanson - (Pled guilty with plea bargain), 1 year, 1 day [6]
* Dale M. Jacobi - 13 years
* Dana Dudley Landers - (Pled guilty) [7] 1 year, 9 months with credit for 2 years and 3 months already served
* Russell Dean Landers - 11 years, 3 months
* John McGuire - 15 years
* Jon Barry Nelson- 5 years, 11 months
* Cherlyn Petersen - Time served and released
* Daniel E. Petersen Jr. - 15 years and ordered to pay restitution of $39,845
* LeRoy M. Schweitzer - 22 years, 6 months
* Rodney O. Skurdal - 15 years
* Agnes Stanton - Time served and released
* William Stanton - 3 years
* Elwin Ward - Time served and released

On 7 April 2008, Russell Dean Landers had his sentence extended for 15 years for attempting to extort his release from prison. He and two other inmates at the federal prison in El Reno, Oklahoma had demanded millions of dollars from officials for the use of their names, which they claimed were "copyrighted." They were found guilty of "conspiring to impede the duties of federal prison officials and extortion in (their) efforts to gain release from prison by making financial demands on prison staff and attempting to seize their property."

All good guys right? happy and caring people who look after their neighbors and fellow man. Let's invite some of them to your tea party, and see if you still think it's a good idea. These guys actually did it, no bold words, they had their reality check in prison.

LeRoy Schweitzer's commitment to waging an Identity inspired war against the government is matched by that of his common law compatriot Rodney Skurdal. In September 1992 Skurdal had made a public "Declaration of War" in order to "honor my God and the Laws of the [MY] Bible," to "regain my rights to acquire private allodial property" and "to regain our Justices'Court." Skurdal made clear in the declaration that "my duty is to God and this Republic...and to "NO" other, of the "de facto"/Democracy form of government."

A document produced by Skurdal in November 1994 gives insight into the racist leader's understanding of his God and his vision for "this Republic." In the document, in which Skurdal declares himself a "Notary Public" of the "one Supreme Court in and for Musselshell County," he lays out his Christian Identity beliefs. Skurdal writes that God is not a God unto the other races, but only that of Israel, the White [sic] Race;" that Jews "were fathered by Satan" and "will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven," and that people of color are the "beasts of the field" described in Genesis.
What a nice guy. source: http://www.albionmonitor.com/freemen/justus.html

A new multilevel marketing operation is tailored to the Common Law movement -- those folks who claim to be sovereign, and who handle disputes in their own courtrooms under their own quaint legal interpretations. It's not the first time Common Law militants were involved in multilevel marketing, which is sometimes called pyramid marketing. After all, the convicted money launderer M. Elizabeth Broderick of Palmdale, who learned how to pass out phony comptroller warrants at the knee of Montana Freeman LeRoy M. Schweitzer, was once a multilevel marketing huckster.

"They are avoiding the semblance of a real office," says Mark Taylor, editor of San Francisco's Online Fraud Newsletter. "They are probably operating out of Canada."

Gateway makes wild claims: After you have recruited enough people into the scheme, you make 90 percent profit -- yes, 90 percent -- on each sale of the company's product.

What are those products? The first, Gateway I, costing $1,250, is a binder of audio cassettes telling you about the evils of the Federal Reserve, about offshore banking and trusts, as well as Common Law.

The second, Gateway II, costing $6,250, is a three-day financial seminar that improves your knowledge of offshore tax strategies, international trusts, and the like.

The third, Gateway III, costing $18,750, is a one-week workshop "presented by renowned international bankers and financiers," according to promotional materials.

source: http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/5395/gpmg.html

WOKE UP YET?

[rob menard]

Yes the people who called themselves Freemen in Montana did in fact do it wrong. According to your logic, since they did it wrong, it is impossible to do it right.

I heard of a guy once who raped a woman. He was a man. Therefore all men are rapist.

This is your logic.

What I do not understand is if you are so sure this is a fallacy or a scam, why do you care and spend so much time trying to get people to agree with you? Why do you care if you believe it is a fallacy? What do you get out of trying to convince people that it is a fallacy?

If you are happy the way things are, then what even brought you to this thread and forum?

There is a difference between not wanting to partake yourself and attempting to stop o0thers from doing so. I went to a buffet once and there were foodstuffs I did not like. So any time I saw someone with food I DID NOT LIKE I knocked it out of their hands. If I don't like it, no body should.

Rob

[pleasuredome]

Yeah it's right isn't it, having proper argumentative opinions makes you a troll. what does that makes you?

could you ask a mod to move these off topic posts to a thread of your own please?

[goldman]

Yes the people who called themselves Freemen in Montana did in fact do it wrong. According to your logic, since they did it wrong, it is impossible to do it right.

I heard of a guy once who raped a woman. He was a man. Therefore all men are rapist.

This is your logic.


So it's okay to assume that this time everything will go well, while it failed more times than it succeeded based on probability and hard facts rather than rumors of folks who "made" it, that's your logic.


What I do not understand is if you are so sure this is a fallacy or a scam, why do you care and spend so much time trying to get people to agree with you? Why do you care if you believe it is a fallacy? What do you get out of trying to convince people that it is a fallacy?

If you are happy the way things are, then what even brought you to this thread and forum?

There is a difference between not wanting to partake yourself and attempting to stop o0thers from doing so. I went to a buffet once and there were foodstuffs I did not like. So any time I saw someone with food I DID NOT LIKE I knocked it out of their hands. If I don't like it, no body should.

Rob

I spend less time than you, considering your 100 posts in a couple of weeks, maybe my posts stand out, but I haven't posted that much actually. I certainly don't stop people, I just give them a glimpse of the flip side of the same coin, if they want to flip it over and research it, it's their choice. In any case, one should research both sides, how else can you be right about a topic? maybe that is due to my scientific training, where I learned to verify and have at least 2 sources for any claim.

Maybe out of compassion and the need to warn people as a possible spiritual duty? or karma? whatever the case maybe considering my intuition about it.

[goldman]

could you ask a mod to move these off topic posts to a thread of your own please?

No need, I'm tired of this fascist attitude, I'll drop my discussion all together and unsubscribe from these freemen forums.

Have it your way, you've won, it's all good, it's the truth, I'm a shill, whatever. Wanna hear that? there you have it.

[rob menard]

So it's okay to assume that this time everything will go well, while it failed more times than it succeeded based on probability and hard facts rather than rumors of folks who "made" it, that's your logic.



I spend less time than you, considering your 100 posts in a couple of weeks, maybe my posts stand out, but I haven't posted that much actually. I certainly don't stop people, I just give them a glimpse of the flip side of the same coin, if they want to flip it over and research it, it's their choice. In any case, one should research both sides, how else can you be right about a topic? maybe that is due to my scientific training, where I learned to verify and have at least 2 sources for any claim.

Maybe out of compassion and the need to warn people as a possible spiritual duty? or karma? whatever the case maybe considering my intuition about it.

How can you show any one the flip side of anything when you are unfamiliar with the whole? I say this because based upon your posts, you clearly have no understanding of what Freemanery is about. Since you do not have a clear picture of one side, how can you show the other?

Rob

[goldman]

How can you show any one the flip side of anything when you are unfamiliar with the whole? I say this because based upon your posts, you clearly have no understanding of what Freemanery is about. Since you do not have a clear picture of one side, how can you show the other?

Rob

I've never went in depth about my knowledge of freemen and it's movement, so you can't interpret this based on my posts.

But this is my last post, I'll go unsubscribe now on these freemen topics on recommendation of the other "FREE" men with free minds, and free speech warriors in disguise.

Wish you all the best,

Namasté!

[dondaz]

Winston Shrout - Fort Collins (5 hours) as 12 parts (3 x 4 parts)...

1-1 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1038276782308887999 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1038276782308887999) (25 mins)

1-2 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=470978216057565378 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=470978216057565378) (25 mins)

1-3 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1819046046183789561 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1819046046183789561) (25 mins)

1-4 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3581361366388439461 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3581361366388439461) (25 mins)

2-1 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7747023869513799959 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7747023869513799959) (25 mins)

2-2 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4579143276364258595 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4579143276364258595) (25 mins)

2-3 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8621940432301681095 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8621940432301681095) (25 mins)

2-4 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4417106487526006308 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4417106487526006308) (25 mins)

3-1 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5908050427680975207 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5908050427680975207) (25 mins)

3-2 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6012507988534846061 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6012507988534846061) (25 mins)

3-3 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3538988802945019667 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3538988802945019667) (25 mins)

3-4 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9131797588913913745 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9131797588913913745) (25 mins)

The Freeman Movement is going to rock in 2009, we're going to put the naysayers to shame, he he, it's going to be fun!

Have a merry xmas.

[pleasuredome]

TAX and criminal liability for WAR CRIMES. this should get you out of paying anything where the funds go to the government

http://video.google.com.au/videosearch?q=blair+war+crimes&hl=en&emb=0#


IT'S ALL AN ILLUSION - JOHN HARRIS

http://www.tpuc.org/node/558


A CASE FOR TREASON - ALBERT BURGESS. please guys, start serving notices on your local police for these crimes, they are shit scared of them.

http://www.tpuc.org/node/560


STATE OF THE NATION - BRIAN GERRISH

http://www.tpuc.org/node/564

[pleasuredome]

basic freeman videos....

THE STRAWMAN ILLUSION - THE MATRIX REVEALED

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6526777574574871930&hl=en


MARK PYTELLEK

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-687830120951556277

[pleasuredome]

UNREGISTERING YOUR CAR

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53927

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...7&postcount=68

[jay303]

hi i have a question

when a card company phones and asks for your name, DOB etc
they usually start with "can i speak to (FRED BLOGGS)"
what is the best way to answer them
its ok saying i refuse to give you my name, they could refuse to carry the call anyfurther.
would it be best to say iam an agent of fred bloggs.

[jimmi]

And a reminder to all to post only links to info. ,; as politely requested previously;)

[yozhik]

hi i have a question

when a card company phones and asks for your name, DOB etc
they usually start with "can i speak to (FRED BLOGGS)"
what is the best way to answer them
its ok saying i refuse to give you my name, they could refuse to carry the call anyfurther.
would it be best to say iam an agent of fred bloggs.

If someone asks for a PERSON with a name that sounds like the one I go by, I do not answer; I simply ask who is calling.

Then, when they ask for DOB or further info to create a contract with me and create a joinder, I merely tell them that I do not consent to them having that information and I am not about to surrender it to a person over the phone.

They will usually try to persuade me by quoting some bullshit about it being for security reasons. I ignore this and inform them directly that I will give any personal information over the phone. Period.

they could refuse to carry the call any further.
Ummmm ... and what?
They made the call; not you.
If they wish the call to continue, then they play by YOUR rules - not theirs.
Did you ask for them to call?
In whose interests is a continuation of the call?
Do you know the person on the other end of the phone?
What obligation do you have to giving information to strangers?
If the information they have and wish to share with you is so important; they can send it in writing.
However, given that you have not confirmed your identity by agreeing to being the PERSON they have attempted to contract with, they have no power.

Be very clear on this; at no time should you confirm the name of the PERSON they are calling about.
Do not give any information that will create joinder or contract.
If they stress that the information is important - tell them to put it in writing.
If they then TRY TO TRICK YOU by asking you to confirm your address (another form of joinder), tell them that they must have that information on file, so just use what they have.

Be courteous, but be firm.
Do not contract with them.
Do not provide any information that will positively identify you with the PERSON.


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[jay303]

thanks for the reply yozhik
i can only try this and see what happens

all the best
jay

[yozhik]

thanks for the reply yozhik
i can only try this and see what happens

all the best
jay

It works. I do it every time.
They get frustrated and keep pushing it is for "security purposes" ... but in my mind, I use the same rationale.

I do not know who this person on the other end of the phone is.
I have no proof that they are who they say they are.
For me to divulge any information pertaining to "my person" and validation of "my person" would be irresponsible.

I am under no obligation to divulge this information over the phone.
There is no law being broken by withholding this data in a phone call.
In fact, most brochures issued by financial regulators would recommend that this information, is indeed, withheld.

Oh - and guess what?
Not once have they EVER followed up in writing; so I guess the phone call wasn't as important as they attempted to portray it to be.


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[scotfree]

My site Freeman Scotland
has many links and videos linked

http://www.spanglefish.com/freemanscotland/

See also http://www.tpuc.org/
and tpuc Forum http://www.tpuc.org/forum/index.php

[guardia]

hi there!
I am from Romania.
In my country , the judicial system is of Napoleonian inspiration, like the majority of the countries in the EU.
I asked some lawyers here, and they said that all these principles of Freeman of the Land and Common Law are not applicable here, because our judicial system is not one of anglo-saxon inspiration.
they told me that In the Napoleonian Law system , the state decide what is good and what is bad for the citizens, the common law is not aplicable in the courts.
Is that true?
This make me very frustrated, and I feel it have to be a way to avoid all this non-sense in our judicial system.
Can be applied the principles of Freeman of the land everywhere in the world, despite we are not on using the common law like UK, USA, and The Commonwealth?
I hope someone knows about that issue.

[yozhik]

hi there!
I am from Romania.
In my country , the judicial system is of Napoleonian inspiration, like the majority of the countries in the EU.
I asked some lawyers here, and they said that all these principles of Freeman of the Land and Common Law are not applicable here, because our judicial system is not one of anglo-saxon inspiration.
they told me that In the Napoleonian Law system , the state decide what is good and what is bad for the citizens, the common law is not aplicable in the courts.
Is that true?
This make me very frustrated, and I feel it have to be a way to avoid all this non-sense in our judicial system.
Can be applied the principles of Freeman of the land everywhere in the world, despite we are not on using the common law like UK, USA, and The Commonwealth?
I hope someone knows about that issue.

If you asked a lawyer in any country the same question, they would probably give you the same answer.

The answer you were given was correct; the state DOES decide what is good or bad for the citizens.
That's what being a citizen means - you are a ward of the state.
The state assigns rights.

A Freeman HAS rights.
A citizen is GIVEN rights.

See the difference?


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[guardia]

yes, I see the difference , and I understand your logic, is beautiful.
But my question is simple: cand we use this logical and natural thinking in the courts or versus police or versus the state, banks, etc., for defending our rights in these countries (like my country, and other european countries with French-Napoleonian judicial system) where the common law is not applicable?
Can we demand our rights based on common law basis, regardless the country where we live?
And thnaks for your promptitude :)

[jimmi]

The point is , we know that we have the ability to stand in court and speak our truth but we want to know what will be the direct consequence to us if we do so, yes?

If I do it here in the (european state of the united kingdom plc :D) then the worst that will happen to me is that I get shoved around by a few bully boy coppers and spend a few hours inside a police station until they realise they've made a cock up because the resulting publicity would be more damaging to them! So I have little to lose by using my new found knowledge.

So, I am in no position to give any advice to someone else, especially if they are from a country of which I know absolutely nothing, so I will!

After a couple of seconds of research I have discovered that if you have to appear in court in Romania and play the freeman game then you have to wear a string of garlic cloves around your neck and a big heavy metal cross is usefull as well apparently, something to do with original bloodlines or something. Then they let you go at around an hour before sunset with a fond farewell and a "see how free you feel now you fucker".

So I 'd like to make it clear that this is not intended as legal advice and no payment is necessary;)

[pleasuredome]

here is a good website for our Irish brothers, Tir Na Saor

http://freemanireland.ning.com/


Link for Maxims of Law

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/maxims.html


Mark Stevens video "Adventures in Legal Land". Ways of conducting yourself in court

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7238921269249750961

[pleasuredome]

Excellent resource site from Australia...

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/


Law resource site...

http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/foundation.htm

[deckard666]

Is anybody from Germany around who has information concerning Germany on this topic?

[deem]

Excellent thread people.

[zhenshanren]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foeThwQkQxM

[pleasuredome]

RETURN TO SENDER - refusing offers to contract

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84582

[tien an]

Is anybody from Germany around who has information concerning Germany on this topic?

Gruß Dich, deckard666, wenn ich mich nicht irre hast Du schon mal diese Frage gestellt.
Eine hervorragende Website kannst Du hier (http://www.claimyourrights.eu/index.php) finden.

Hi deckard666, unless I'm mistaken, you've already asked this question.
An excellent website can be found here (http://www.claimyourrights.eu/index.php).


Zhoutian.

[deckard666]

Gruß Dich, deckard666, wenn ich mich nicht irre hast Du schon mal diese Frage gestellt.
Eine hervorragende Website kannst Du hier (http://www.claimyourrights.eu/index.php) finden.

Hi deckard666, unless I'm mistaken, you've already asked this question.
An excellent website can be found here (http://www.claimyourrights.eu/index.php).


Zhoutian.


Forgive me. I *really* have a bad memory sometimes. If I asked before and you already answered - I am sorry. I must have oversen it.

I just registered at that site. Very interesting. Thanks (again)!

[merlincove]

RETURN TO SENDER - refusing offers to contract

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84582

i was gonna post that :D

[zhenshanren]

Yes, thank you for letting us revisit that thread. Very useful!

[dolores1]

Every statute in force in the UK - Including Magna Carta & Bill of Rights 1689
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/

Right to Silence upheld Tuesday, 2 May, 2000
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/734018.stm

I found Cestui Qui Vie Act 1666

Brilliant.

[dolores1]

Excellent resource site from Australia...

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/


Law resource site...

http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/foundation.htm

Any sites available for the UK please?

Ta, D.

[spoonogsback]

www.freemanireland.ning.com

www.tnsradio.com (skype room tirnasaor) add to your contacts and join in live on the on air chat

Tir na Saor is Irish for .... Land of the Free........

www.freedomainradio.com excellent site

www.khanacademy.org excellent site how to educate yourself on all sorts of topics Maths geometry physics etc.........

Peace and Freedom guys

[comma berenices]

Cestui Qui Trust = The Strawman
Rule of Grammar for the use of CAPITAL LETTERS used in a NAME: when CAPITAL letters are used anywhere in a NAME this always refers to a LEGAL ENTITY/FICTION, COMPANY or CORPORATION no exceptions.
e.g. John DOE or Doe: JANE (PASSPORT, DRIVER LICENSE, MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE and BIRTH CERTIFICATE)
C’EST TUI QUE TRUST: (pronounced set–a–kay) common term in NEW ZEALAND and AUSTRALIA or STRAWMAN common term in USA or CANADA is a LEGAL ENTITY/FICTION created and owned by the GOVERNMENT whom created it.
“Legally, we are considered to be a FICTION, a concept or idea expressed as a NAME, a symbol. That LEGAL PERSON has no consciousness; it is a juristic PERSON, EN LEGIS, a NAME/word written on a piece of paper” – Jason Whitney, Presenter & Researcher: The Occult World of Commerce.
When you are born, (your Mothers’ WATER broke) your Parents Name you, for example John or Jane DOE. The Nurse or Doctor along with your Parents sign your Record of Live Birth (Title of Deed to Real Property) so your BIRTH CERTIFICATE could be created (a “certificate is a negotiable instrument; see Certi & fi-duc(e) iary & fi-cat(e) iary) for the purpose of “creating the LEGAL ENTITY/FICTION (this LEGAL ENTITY/FICTION is regulated and works in commerce as GOVERNMENT can only regulate that which it creates and it didn’t create the living breathing Man or Woman – God did). The LEGAL ENTITY/FICTION is registered by the Department of Commerce, under the ADMIRALTY MARITIME LAW/JURISDICTION (LAW of the WATER) – JURISDICTION of Commerce and War.
You (the baby) are what is called a “C’est tui Que (pronounced “Set–a–kay”) Trust, the STRAWMAN, or rather the COLLATERAL or the CORPUS (body) of the Trust. Your LABOUR is the energy you generate as a Living Being. However, as a baby, you are deemed “Invalid (in–valid/dis–abled) and Incompetent, and even though your Mother Birthed you, she agrees to be the TRUSTEE of the Trust (by her SIGNATURE) which was SETTLED (created–Settlor) by the Federal Government, so you (your body) are ENTRUSTED to her for safe keeping until the age of eighteen.
Under Biblical Law: WOMEN are incapable of entering into binding agreements/contracts, their Husband or Father must be present when making agreements or the contract is void. In most cases both parties are present during birth or manifestation of a MARITIME product. Unless prior written consent and approval by the male representative exists, the Mother who would not DREAM of “giving” her newborn baby to the Government, does so unknowingly, by the undisclosed conditions of the signed Contract” Submission of an Application for Registration for a BIRTH CERTIFICATE e.g.
You’re Parents “agree/consent” to be the Trustee and sign your BIRTH CERTIFICATE. (BIRTH CERTIFICATES were only for “slaves” prior to women becoming “equal” to men). Usually the Mother is the ONLY one required to sign, because she is deemed to be the direct blood more so than the Father. She has the higher “claim” to the living baby.
Once the negotiable instrument (BIRTH CERTIFICATE) is transferred to the Dept of Commerce, they “pledge” your “Labour for your Lifetime” as its “secured” asset, and proceeds to “assure” (different from insure) YOUR Labour against it’s (the government’s) DEBT, and it subsequently gets an “underwriter” to insure your Labour.
The underwriter determines a lowball figure from your Labour to be valued at $1 Million dollars, and it takes out a “Bond” which is held at the Bank, the numbers on your BIRTH CERTIFICATE are the tracking numbers for your LEGAL ENTITY/FICTIONS Bond. $1 million FEDERAL RESERVE notes are then issued with that same number and put into circulation.
On the LEGAL ENTITY/FICTIONS BIRTH CERTIFICATE, the one with your name in ALL CAPS (which represents an ENTITY/FICTION, CORPORATION) there is a “Bond” tracking number. That number has 7–9 digits with a “letter” in front of it. Get a 1 dollar bill and compare that “serial” number with the number on it. You will see the similarity. On the face of the dollar bill, is a letter inside a symbol with the words “FEDERAL RESERVE Bank of (State Name)” That is the letter designation of the State Bank which holds that Bond. example “E” is the Bank of Virginia. The letter of the number on the BIRTH CERTIFICATE is the Bank that is holding a Bond which represents your “labour” for your lifetime. Your “labour” has been “insured” and “assured”, and money has been borrowed against it. This is HOW people have been turned into collateral for the FEDERAL RESERVE Bank(s).
Legal Definitions
• Person: A human being is not a person because he is a human being, but because rights and duties have been ascribed to him
• The ‘person’ is the legal subject or substance of which rights and duties are attributes Black’s Law Dictionary Not a human being, but the human being invisible coat
• Application: Means to ‘beg, plead, petition, implore, entreat or request
• Must: Legally can be synonymous with ‘may’. Has two senses; Imperative or a directive. One creates obligations, the other defines conditions. Always a ‘directive’ when used with ‘apply’
• Submit: To agree to another’s will or to leave to another’s discretion. Form of surrender. Always voluntary. Implies lawful right to fight.
• Registration: To sign over all chattel content for safe keeping. always voluntary. Abandons complete ownership for partial.
Capitis Diminutio (meaning the diminishing of status through the use of capitalization) – In Roman law. A diminishing or abridgment of personality; a loss or curtailment of a man’s status or aggregate of legal attributes and qualifications.
Capitis Diminutio Minima (meaning a minimum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. John Doe) - The lowest or least comprehensive degree of loss of status. This occurred where a man’s family relations alone were changed. It happened upon the arrogation [pride] of a person who had been his own master, (sui juris,) [of his own right, not under any legal disability] or upon the emancipation of one who had been under the patria potestas. [Parental authority] It left the rights of liberty and citizenship unaltered. See Inst. 1, 16, pr.; 1, 2, 3; Dig. 4, 5, 11; Mackeld. Rom.Law, 144.
Capitis Diminutio Media (meaning a medium loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. John DOE) – A lessor or medium loss of status. This occurred where a man loses his rights of citizenship, but without losing his liberty. It carried away also the family rights.
Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) – The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man’s condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights.

I found this today,i thought it may be of interest for reference.

I have no idea who the author is though.