Loch Ness: Nessie caught on tape

[chattanova]

Is Nessie back? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB_c2RwpbXU

Could really be anything...

[lucifershammer]

I've always been fascinated with Nessy. but still skeptical of its existance.

And the similar creature supposedly living in lake champlain in the northeastern US.

I had a history teacher in High School who theorised that it was one and the same creature, and that the lakes are linked by an under ground ocean, such as from 'journey to the center of the earth'.

and thinking of it right now.... i wonder if anyone has compared the dates of the sightings at the 2 locations.

i will have to check that out tomorrow when i'm not so tired and drunk lol.

[indigo]

It's probably something else, it was hard to see it properly with the writing in the way.. Good for the tourist industry though.

[chattanova]

I've always been fascinated with Nessy. but still skeptical of its existance.

And the similar creature supposedly living in lake champlain in the northeastern US.

I had a history teacher in High School who theorised that it was one and the same creature, and that the lakes are linked by an under ground ocean, such as from 'journey to the center of the earth'.

and thinking of it right now.... i wonder if anyone has compared the dates of the sightings at the 2 locations.

i will have to check that out tomorrow when i'm not so tired and drunk lol.

Me to, I love the monster mysteries:)

[chattanova]

It's probably something else, it was hard to see it properly with the writing in the way.. Good for the tourist industry though.

I'm afraid you're right neila, it probably is just for the sake of money...:(

[graflok]

Here's a quote from The Biggest Secret about Nessie:

“In Scotland, a foremost Satanic centre is Loch Ness, near Inverness, the home, according
to the legend, of the famous reptile, the Loch Ness monster. So what could these legends
really be symbolic of? Aleister Crowley, the best known Satanist of the 20th century, had
a house at Loch Ness and it was to this area that he came to perform some of his most
powerful black magic rituals. A rock formation near the loch called the Rock of Curses
has been used by black magicians for hundreds of years and Crowley was particularly drawn
to the energy emanating from a nearby mountain known as Mealfuorvonie.37 There is much
more to the legend of the Loch Ness Monster than meets the eye and the same is true of
other unidentified creatures like the so-called Bigfoot. Some Native American shamans
believe that the entity which manifests as the Bigfoot can also appear as an aquatic
monster or a panther because it has the ability to shape-shift.”

I think that most, if not all, of these "cryptids" like lake monsters,
chupacabras, sea serpents, etc. are underworld creatures and
that the NWO boys don't want us to know about them so they
"debunk" them whenever possible.

[tinmenace]

Also interesting that Nessie was "discovered" by Saint Columba. Tantalizing!

[hagbard_celine]

Also interesting that Nessie was "discovered" by Saint Columba. Tantalizing!

Strictly-speaking it was in the River Ness, but it's still interesting. According to St Columba, he was crossing the river in a ferry-boat when the monster attacked it, but being a good Christian, instead of one of the evil pagan hordes who lived in Scotland at the time, and whose souls he had come to save, the monster was driven away by God.

In fact Nessie is not only unoffensive, but it's extrmely shy and retiring and avoids human contact. It would never have attacked Columba in his boat. My guess is that either Columba made the whole thing up, or that he really did see Nessie, but decided to embelish the story to make himself sound cool. We all do this to a certain extent.

the film is a bit disappointing. It could be anything: an otter, a fish, a seal.

[paulski]

In fact Nessie is not only unoffensive, but it's extrmely shy and retiring and avoids human contact. It would never have attacked Columba in his boat. My guess is that either Columba made the whole thing up, or that he really did see Nessie, but decided to embelish the story to make himself sound cool. We all do this to a certain extent.

the film is a bit disappointing. It could be anything: an otter, a fish, a seal.

As long as there are 'sightings', there will be people curious enough to look and seek, not that I'm saying there is no Nessie, Loch Ness is an interesting vibrational area.

[hagbard_celine]

As long as there are 'sightings', there will be people curious enough to look and seek, not that I'm saying there is no Nessie, Loch Ness is an interesting vibrational area.

It's got a very powerful energy; after all it is one of the natural wonders of the world. you could drown the whole human race three times over in it and still have space left! The water is as opaque as cola. No wonder there are so many mysteries down there.

Nessie might well be a giant eel. See this:http://www.cfztv.org/eel.htm

[tinmenace]

Looks like a wake. The kind often seen on the Loch.

[hagbard_celine]

Looks like a wake. The kind often seen on the Loch.


The most popular theory is that it's a reptile, a dinosaur survivor. Some say it could be an archaocete, an ancester of the whales. But I agree with Richard Freeman; I think it has to be a fish or shark of some kind. If it was an air-breather it would need to surface all the time and so would be seen more often.

[graflok]

My vote is for a creature that mostly lives underground and enters the loch
occasionally via opening(s) in the loch's sides. That would account for its
infrequent sighting and lack of detection using the sonar sweeps that have
been done in the past. It may or may not breathe air.

[tinmenace]

My questions concerning Nessie are:


Is this one animal that has lived for a very very long time?
Is there more than one animal, and are they procreating?
If this is a family, has a carcass of the dead shown up?
What food source would sustain one or more such animals?
Does the animal leave any trace of itself? (Feces, for example)

[hagbard_celine]

[COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="3"][FONT="Century Gothic"]My questions concerning Nessie are:

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Is this one animal that has lived for a very very long time?

For 1500 years at least? I doubt it. There must be a whole race of them.

If this is a family, has a carcass of the dead shown up?

Never. They are obviously totally aquatic and their bodies must be negatively buoyant so they sink to the depths of the Loch when they die.

What food source would sustain one or more such animals?

Tets have been done on the Loch to see if it has enough biomass to support a colony of large animals and they found that it could hypothetically. Then again, Nessie might not be confined to the Loch. Maybe it travels to and from the sea or other parts of the great glen. Beasts have been seen in the River Ness and the Caledonian Canal. St Columba's sighting was in the River.

Does the animal leave any trace of itself?/

Not anywhere where it can be found. Someone once claimed to have found Nessie footprints, but they were fake.

[chattanova]

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[hagbard_celine]

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Hmm, if I thought Nessie looked like that then I probably wouldn't have gone on that Loch Ness tourist cruise!

Nessie seems to be a very shy and inofensive creature, unless you believe St Columba... and we all believe him don't we!?:rolleyes:

[chattanova]

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[chattanova]

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Loch Ness is the largest body of fresh water in Britain.
(1) There is more water in Loch Ness than all the other lakes in England, Scotland and Wales put together.
(2) It is around twenty two and a half miles long and between one and one and a half miles wide, a depth of 754 feet with the bottom of the loch being as flat as a bowling green.
(3) It holds 263 thousand million cubic feet of water which is around 16 million 430 thousand million gallons of water with a surface area of 14000 acres and could hold the population of the world 10 times over.
(4) It is fed by 7 major rivers the Oich, Tarff, Enrich, Coiltie, Moriston, Foyers and Farigaig plus numerous burns, with only one outlet the River Ness which flows 7 miles through Inverness into the Moray Firth 52 feet below the loch surface.
(5) During a heavy rainfall the lochs level has been known to rise by as much as 7 feet and a rise of 2 feet is common place.
(6) The rain catchment area for Loch Ness is so large that a rainfall of just quarter of an adds 11.000.000 tons of water to the loch.
(7) It is said that the loch never freezes and this is true.
(8) Because of the great amount of water in the loch a thermocline lies at around 100 feet down in the loch.The top 100 feet of water alters temperature depending on the weather conditions but below the thermocline the temperature never alters from 44 degrees Fahrenheit. So as the surface water cools in winter and nears freezing point it sinks and is replaced by the warmer water from below. This can cause the loch to steam on very cold days, in fact it as been estimated that the heat given off by the loch in a winter is the equivalent to burning 2 million tons of coal.

[chattanova]

Operation Deepscan

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Operation Deepscan has been by far the largest and most intense search of Loch Ness to attempt to find the proof of the mystery known as the Loch Ness monster.
The newspapers claimed it was "a sonar exploration of Loch Ness, an operation which would sweep the unfathomable depths of the loch from shore to shore and end to end with a curtain through which nothing could escape".

But how did the operation start and what was the results of the plan estimated to cost £1million.
It was the brainchild of Adrian Shine, the leader of the Loch Ness project who teamed up with Darrell Laurence head of Laurence Electronics, Tulsa Oklahoma. He thought Loch Ness would be a good testing site for his sonar units (not to mention the publicity).
So trials started at the loch in October 1986 using ten boats fitted with Laurence X-16 sonar units. The x-16 sonar unit was used because it would record on a paper chart anything seen in the lochs depths.
The units had a range of 1300ft and could target objects as small as 1ft and separate objects just 1in apart.
The boats, which were supplied by Caley Cruises set out from the New Clansman Hotel into the loch and tried to form a line down the loch but bad weather and winds up to force 6 stopped any chance they had to gather information so all they had to show was yards of meaningless sonar readings. Operation Deepscan was therefore cancelled for that year.
It was decided to go ahead with Operation Deepscan the following year.br So on October the 9th 1987 started the largest sonar sweep of any fresh water loch anywhere in the world.
The boats again supplied by caley cruises met at the New Clansman Hotel. As well as the 24 boats that were to take part in the operation every layby for miles around the loch were full of interested spectators and their cars.
Over 250 newspersons and 20 television crews turned up to record the the event for the newspapers and tv stations from all over the world.
Nearly every boat that could be hired was on the loch that morning including a pleasure steamer hired for the media and an helicopter buzzing around the line of boats.
The proceedings started with Adrian Shine talking to everyone taking part, which included volunteers from the Docklands Fund and the Drake Fellowship, through a megaphone asking they do it for

"all the maligned eyewitnesses who look to you for vindication ".
The media loved it and spirits were high for the start of the operation.
The boats edged out into the loch, where they formed a line of 19, all fitted with lowrance X-16 sonar units with other boats following including the New Atlantis fitted with a Simrad scanning sonar which can still be seen on the loch today.
The first problem they encountered was the sonars forming the curtain interfered with each other so the sensitivity had to be turned down to almost minimum or the readings would be indecipherable. This problem solved, the searchers moved down the loch towards Fort Augustus keeping in line using flags set on several of the boats.
On the first day 3 strong sonar contacts were recorded from 78 metres (256ft) to 180 metres (590ft). The best of these was made just off Whitefield opposite Urquhart Bay.
The object entered the the sonar at 174 metres (570ft) and was tracked for 140 seconds. The new atlantis moved forward to try and engage the target with the Simrad scanning sonar but without success.
The position of all three targets was taken using Decca navigation equipment so they could be revisited later.
The boats returned to the New Clansman Hotel and everyone waited with bated breath for the debriefing in the hotel that evening. In the debriefing it was reported that 3 strong sonar contacts were made that day, larger than would be expected from a fresh water loch.
David Steensland of Laurence said that the 78metre (256ft)target might be of a very large known fish but thought that unlikely at that depth. Of the other two targets he said they were very strange and larger than those he picked up from sharks off the coast of Florida.
Darrell Laurence said that all the contacts were larger than a shark but smaller than a whale. Adrian Shine, leader of the Loch Ness project said in his opinion all 3 targets were unlike those which could be expected from the lochs known inhabitants like salmon eels or shoals of char and that they are deep midwater contacts of considerable strength.
So the first day of the operation ended with great optimism for the following day of the search.
Day 2 started with the 19 boats lined up just north of Fort augustus and the sweep started back down the loch all the way to abriachan. Apart from a couple of indistinct contacts nothing was seen to match the 3 contacts of the previous day.
The media, assembled at the debriefing with hopes of more good contacts, took the no contact news badly. Adrian explained that he had sent 5 boats out that morning to check the sites of the previous days contacts but nothing could be found that could have made them. That proved that they were not fixed objects but moving mid water targets.
It was estimated that the search covered 60% of the total loch area as the sides and bays could not be covered.
The media left the loch some what dismayed that the Loch Ness Monster had not been dragged from the loch for all to see and some reported Operation Deepscan as a flop. Whatever they may say or print the operation was a success. It did record 3 large sonar contacts in the loch of a size too large to be made by anything known to live in the loch.
So what were the 3 contacts which were said to be larger than a shark but smaller than a whale?
I am afraid we will never know anymore about what can be seen on the sonar contacts of October 9th 1987.

But it must be added to the evidence pile for the existence of the Loch Ness monster.

http://www.nessie.co.uk/htm/searching_for_nessie/deepscan.html

[chattanova]

Project Urquhart

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Project Urquhart (named after the castle which stands on the shore of the loch ) was the idea of Nicholas Witchell the BBC news presenter and Loch Ness enthusiast since 1970.
He wondered if he could get the scientific bodies interested in studying loch ness and to his suprise they said yes. The Natural History Museum in London, the Freshwater Biological Association, Simrad the marine electronics company and the Discovery Channel all agreed either to help or sponsor work at the loch, not to search for the monster but to study the loch and its workings as the largest body of fresh water in the British Isles.

The first stage, which took place in 1992 was carried out by the Simrad company using their research ship MV Simrad from Norway. They carried out the first complete hydrographic survey of the loch since 1903 when Sir John Murray plumbed the depths of the loch using nothing more than a long piece of pianowire and a weight.
Simrad travelled nearly 500 miles in the loch using the latest em1000 multi beam swath system which sends out 120 sonar signals at once in a pan beneath the boat taking a total of 7 million soundings.

A new maximum depth was found a couple of miles north of Invermoriston of 786 feet compared with the depth of 754 feet found by John Murray just south of Urquhart Castle and despite rumours that have been around for years no evidence was found of any caves or tunnels in the loch ( or Edwards Deep ). The loch proved to be a very regular steep walled trench.
While cruising the loch Simrad noticed a line of objects, dubbed the footprints, running from Foyers to Fort Augustus at about 60 metres apart. A small remotely operated submersible fitted with a video camera was sent down to look at one of them and it turned out to be a large metal wheel barrow. It is thought that they are calibration targets put down by the Ministry of Defence to test sonar, when sonar was in its early stages of development and they were using the loch for trials.

July 1993 saw the arrival at the loch of the 65ft research ship Calanus and its support boat Seol mara. Calanus carried some of the most sophisticated sampling devices and fish detecting sonar ever seen on an inland freshwater loch before and was to clock up almost 200 hours of intense sampling of the loch.
What they found is that the loch did not quite act like they expected and several unusual features still can not be explained.
The northern end of the loch is more productive than the southern end so it would be expected to hold a denser population of phytoplankton (microscopic vegitation) but the next step in the food chain the zooplankton (microscopic lifeforms) and fish are more abundant in the southern end of the loch.
They thought that this may be caused by the deep water currents taking them towards the southern end or that the zooplankton may be feeding on material washed down from the rivers entering the loch at Fort Augustus. Even the vertical distributions of phytoplankton and zooplankton did not follow what would be expected with the zooplankton being found some distance below the phytoplankton. Also, the open water fish distribution was some what unusual with the bulk of the fish living between 20 and 30 metres in total darkness.
Trawling the loch produced around 200 fish from the epilimnon (top warmer layer) most of which were charr. This is a very small amount for a stretch of water the size of Loch Ness but what the open water area lacked the more localized areas such as river mouths and near the shore line more than made up for and passed what would be expected from far richer lakes.
Because of this we still have no figure for the amount of fish in the loch with estimates made by the loch ness project of between 27 and 30 tonnes being the last figures to be released.

The Natural History Museums part in 1993 was to find microscopic animals in the loch which most of us will never have heard of. The nematode worm is found everywhere in the world from the highest mountain to the deepest oceans living in the sand soil and sediments as well as in the tissues of plants and animals.
In all 41 core samples were taken with most of the worms found in the top 1 centimetre. In just one of the samples 274 nematode worms were found covering 27 different species and one of these the ethmolaimus sp being new to science now with a new home in the vaults of the Natural History Museum in London. The purpose of the study is to see which and how many of the worms live in the loch to give them some idea of how a large freshwater lake should be and to see what the changes in the climate could have on it.
This will help them with studies throughout the world into global warming and pollution . but of more interest to most of us are the unusual sonar contacts made in both 1992 and 1993.

Although the project were not there to look for the monster they did, while using their sonar, see some large contacts in the loch that they could not explain.
On Tuesday the 28 of July 1992 at around 7pm the Simrad research ship was heading south between Foyers and Invermoriston when the automatic tracking sonar locked on to a target and held it for around 2 minutes. Thor Edland, the Simrad specialist who was operating the sonar at the time, described it as a very strong echo in comparison to the fish traces they had been recording.
During the 1993 operations the Simrad sonar aboard the Calanus recorded 4 sonar contacts in mid water.
Birnie Lees, the senior Simrad engineer who studies the traces described them as "strong high value targets ". One in particular he said was "far too large to be one of the lochs known fish". So the biological study of the loch has shown us that the loch does not behave like we would expect a loch of its size to.

The old question of "is there enough fish in the loch to feed a monster " is no nearer an answer.

A new mini monster has been found in the loch, but again sonar contacts have been recorded at the loch this time by people who were not even looking for the monster. Again the sonar screen shows us that something large is moving around in the depths of the loch that should not be in a freshwater loch in the middle of the Highlands of Scotland.

It is this along with the eyewitness evidence that keeps us looking
at the loch with the hope of one day solving the mystery.
http://www.nessie.co.uk/htm/searching_for_nessie/urquhart.html

[chattanova]

Nessie caught on cam?

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The Surgeon's picture. There is some dispute as to the authenticity of this photograph.

On the 5th of January, 1934, a motorcyclist almost collided with the monster as he was returning home from Inverness. It was around 1a.m. and was bright due to the moonlight. As Mr Grant approached Abriachan on the north-eastern shore of the Loch he saw a large shape loom on the right side of the road.As he approached the object he saw a small head attached to a long neck.The animal saw Grant and promptly crossed the road back down to the Loch. Mr Grant, by this time, had jumped off his motorbike and followed the path it took to the Loch only to see the rippling water where thecreature had entered.In April,1934 the most famous photograph was obtained by a London surgeon as he heading towards Inverness along the new road.


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In 1951 a new photograph appeared which to some confirmed the existence of the monster. On the 14th of July at around 6:30 a.m. Mr Lachlan Stewart, a woodcutter employed by the forestry commission, saw something large moving out on the Loch. With a friend he ran to the waters edge and there about 50 yards away they saw three humps, each about 5 ft long moving at fast speed. Mr Stewart ,who had picked up a small camera before leaving his house, took this photograph. Three humps above the water Seconds later a small head and long neck appeared in front of the first hump then the monster turned out towards the centre of the Loch and with a lot of splashing swam off and sinking head first 300 yards offshore, disappeared. Mr Stewart estimated the length of head and neck to be 6 ft, and then 15-20 ft behind the last hump he noticed a commotion in the water suggesting the movement of the tail.


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1955 brought one of the most intriguing photograph ever taken. Peter A. Macnab from Ayrshire was having a holiday in the Highlands and was preparing to take a photograph of Urquhart Castle. His attention was drawn to his left where he saw an enormous dark animal with two humps. This is the photograph he took.


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A Mr H.L. Cockrell of Dumfries, Scotland, had a remarkable experience with the monster in the Autumn of 1958 when he met it in his canoe on the Loch. Mr Cockrell being an expert seaman and familiar with small crafts had developed a waterproof camera with flash equipment which he used from his canoe. View of Nessie The camera was strapped to his head like a miner's lamp and activated by the movement of his mouth which left his hands free to paddle. He was boating about dawn on the Loch when something appeared about 50 yards away. It looked like it had a large flat head 4 or 5 feet long and about 3 feet to the rear of this he noticed another thin line, all very low in the water. He swung round to approach what ever it was and to his great horror it turned towards him. He took a shot with his camera and kept moving towards it and to his relief the creature turned to another direction. When the film was developed , although it showed the Loch to be calm, there was a great deal of disturbance on part of the surface of the water.

[chattanova]

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A member of the Northern Naturalists Organisations, Mr Peter O'Connor from Gateshead, Durham had a sighting on the 24th May,1960. From the garden of the Foyers Hotel he and a number of other people saw the creature at around 4 o'clock in the afternoon. At first he thought it was a rowing boat about 200 yards from the Foyers shore but using his field glasses he could see a brown coloured object which was slowly sinking.
Nessie near shore

Mr O'Connor encountered the monster yet again 3 days later on the 27th of May, 1960. Between 6 and 6:30 a.m. he went for a walk along the shore beside Foyers Bay and the monster glided into view around the headland. He waded into the water up to his waist to get a closer view. It features were small and sheep-like and a very, very strong neck. It's skin appeared smooth, very like a seal. He turned to yell to his companion and then turned back and took this photograph, to the right, as it disappeared into the turbulence it had created.

[chattanova]

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Early in May 2001 at approx 6 a.m James Gray and Peter Levings were fishing on Loch Ness near Invermoriston, about three quarters of a mile from where the River joins the Loch. Mr Gray said the conditions were absolutely peaceful in the middle of the loch. He then spotted a movement 150 yards away and saw something sticking out of the water. He grabbed his camera and took a few snaps. The object then raised up a couple of feet and was rising as he looked at it. He said: "Soon, it was about 6ft out of the water but secods later it had become a black kind of blob as it disappeared. It had curled forward and gone down." He added: "This was certainly no seal. It had a long black neck almost like a conger eel, but I couldn't see a head. It didn't seem to bend very much but as it went under it sort of arched and disappeared. "We circled for twenty minutes but found nothing."

[chattanova]

This photograph was taken in 1977.

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[celtic isis]

Is Nessie back? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB_c2RwpbXU

Could really be anything...

boy do i hate the media, the way they already make fun before they even show the clip! fuckers lol

ah i've always wanted to go to loch ness!

great thread chatt :D i'll be back!

[spacegurl]

I'm a bit sceptical on this. Why haven't they found this creature if supposedly these photographs show something that looks like the same species? There have been many deep water scans in the Loch but found little or nothing. Why then would this unknown creature resurface a few times only in that body of water? Why has only one such "nessie monster" been captured (in poor quality) film and not several others in its company, such as a family as you'd expect?

[chattanova]

I'm a bit sceptical on this. Why haven't they found this creature if supposedly these photographs show something that looks like the same species? There have been many deep water scans in the Loch but found little or nothing. Why then would this unknown creature resurface a few times only in that body of water? Why has only one such "nessie monster" been captured (in poor quality) film and not several others in its company, such as a family as you'd expect?

An explanation is they are some sort of underground creatures, so they rarely visits the surface.
Loch Ness is said to have caverns along its sides.
Most of the photos here doesn't really look that real, but I think there might be something lurking in the caves at the bottom:eek:;)

[spacegurl]

An explanation is they are some sort of underground creatures, so they rarely visits the surface.
Loch Ness is said to have caverns along its sides.
Most of the photos here doesn't really look that real, but I think there might be something lurking in the caves at the bottom:eek:;)

Very convenient that these monsters should live in hiding holes :D

I do think there is plenty of unknown sealife, but not of the size people imagine Nessie to be. Going by the pictures it may be some type of eel or another of those elongated fish with small heads. Judging by a video that was posted on this thread, it looks to me like a basking shark, a creature commonly seen around British waters. I'm not saying a new type of creature doesn't exist but that whatever Nessie really is could turn out to be mundane. Nessie has had few sightings but sparked off this huge myth.

I doubt it looks anything like a long-necked dinosaur. Dinosaurs of that size had to resurface often as the whale and fed off other animals. We would've known about it by now. Usually sea marine lifeforms that have only just been discovered are smaller.

[hagbard_celine]

Nessie might be a giant eel: http://www.cfztv.org/eel.htm

The most popular theory is that it's a reptile, a dinosaur survivor. Some say it could be an archaocete, an ancester of the whales. But I agree with Richard Freeman; I think it has to be a fish or shark of some kind. If it was an air-breather it would need to surface all the time and so would be seen more often.

[chattanova]

Loch Ness monster sightings down

Fewer reports of legendary beast concern Scottish tourism officials

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This shadowy figure is what some say is a photo of the Loch Ness monster in Scotland. There have been more than 4,000 purported sightings of a creature — affectionately dubbed "Nessie" — since a surgeon vacationing at the lake in the 1930s released a photo allegedly capturing the legendary monster on film.

LONDON - Fewer people are reporting sightings of the legendary Loch Ness monster in Scotland, prompting concerns that skepticism about its existence could threaten tourism in the region.

There have only been two reports of sightings this year, compared to three in 2006 and much lower than a decade ago, when the annual number sightings was consistently in the double digits, The Times newspaper said Saturday.

"It's becoming a potential crisis," said Mikko Takala, 39, a founding member of the Loch Ness Monster Fan Club who runs four webcams on the lake's north shore.

Scottish Tourism officials were not immediately available to comment.

Loch Ness — the largest and deepest inland expanse of water in Britain — is surrounded by myth and mystery. About 750 feet (230 meters) to the bottom, the loch — the Scottish word for "lake" — is deeper than the North Sea.

There have been more than 4,000 purported sightings of a creature — affectionately dubbed "Nessie" — since a surgeon vacationing at the lake in the 1930s released a photo allegedly capturing the legendary monster on film.

Since then, Nessie has been a key tourism draw, bringing an estimated 6 million pounds ($12 million) a year into the Scottish Highlands, according to The Times.

The faithful have speculated whether Nessie is a completely unknown species; a sturgeon, even though they have not been native to Scotland's waters for many years; or even a last surviving dinosaur.

In the age of digital cameras, webcams and video recorders, it is surprising that the number of reported sightings is falling.

Adrian Shine, 58, a naturalist who has investigated the mystery of the monster for 20 years, thinks the trend shows the world has become more skeptical.

"I think we live in a more pragmatic age, and that people are becoming more aware of the sort of illusions that can occur on water," he said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21081487/

[spacegurl]

The Naturalist reported on extensive studies of the lake's ecology that indicate that the lake is capable of supporting no more than 30 metric tons of fish. (The food chain of the lake is driven by bacteria, which break down vegetation, rather than algae like most lakes.) Estimating that a group of predators would weigh no more than 10 percent of the total weight of the fish available for them to consume, researchers arrived at the 300-kg (660-lb.) statistic.

The BBC claims it has proved that Nessie the plesiosaur (a marine reptile) does not exist. What they did was use satellite navigation technology to aim 600 separate sonar beams through Loch Ness to ensure that none of the loch was missed and found no trace of the monster. The research team hoped their instruments would pick up the air in Nessie's lungs as it reflected a distorted signal back to the sonar sensors. The only signal they got was from their test buoy moored several meters below the surface.

"We went from shoreline to shoreline, top to bottom on this one, we have covered everything in this loch and we saw no signs of any large living animal in the loch," said Ian Florence, one of the specialists who carried out the survey for the BBC.* The show, called Searching For The Loch Ness Monster, was made for BBC One.

Why Nessie is no plesiosaur (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19225764.900-why-the-loch-ness-monster-is-no-plesiosaur.html)

Birth of a Legend (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lochness/legend.html)

[serpentoffire]

Do anybody have never related Nessie with gigant animals of the Bibble? Does Leviathan say nothing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Destruction_of_Leviathan.png

[tinmenace]

You know, more and more there are discoveries of previously unknown animal species. Really, there's quite a remarkably long list, but the creatures we've discussed more than others, on this forum, is the ROD....Bigfoot, and also the Chupacabra (sorry if I've missed a few). - Cryptozoology (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=42)

This started me wondering about the Loch Ness Monster. Was there a time that Nessie was seen by many, and this is how the legend began? I believe that since we are using our senses differently (and in some cases have even gained a few), I believe that there is going to increased incidents of Nessie sightings.

Will these mysteries finally be solved?


http://www.globalfailure.com/images/coelacanth.jpg
Coelacanth (http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=54) - Thought to be extinct until it's discovery in 1938 off the coast of South Africa

[chattanova]

Bring Forth The Track Cast of Nessie!

A few years ago, the cry across the land was to have the head of a Sea-Serpent brought to Science.

I place the same kind of call out there regarding the alleged track cast of the footprint of the Loch Ness Monster collected in December 1933, some 74 years ago.

Of course, we all take it to heart that the footprints found on the shores of Loch Ness were fakes made by Marmaduke Wetherell. But within cryptozoology, we must be skeptical in all directions. How many times have I heard about a “hoax” claim, especially with tracks, which has as many holes in it as the story it is suppose to be explaining?

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/5/12/26/f_wetherallm_185af6c.jpg

Marmaduke Wetherell’s expedition found evidence of the Loch Ness Monster on land.

The Daily Mail headline was “Loch Ness Monster Is A Fact, Not A Legend,” in the newspaper of December 21, 1933.

A succession of smaller headlines told the story: “Hunter’s Deduction from New Find. Tracks Only A Few Hours Old. Tests To Be Made.”

The cause of all the excitement was two footprints in soft mud on the south shore of the loch near Fort Augustus. Marmaduke Wetherell had found them less than 48 hours after landing on the beach by motor boat. The “spoor” he declared was “less than a few hours old.”

The animal was an amphibian: “A four fingered beast . . . and it has feet or pads about eight inches across . . . a very powerful soft-footed animal about 20 ft long.

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/5/12/26/f_03wetherellm_5ebdc0e.jpg

Marmaduke Wetherell

Plaster casts were taken of the footprints and sent to the Natural History Museum. All through Christmas and New Year in 1934, the world waited for the museum’s verdict.

On January 4, 1934, it came. The footprints were identical, both seemingly from the same foot, and apparently from a young hippo. It was most likely that the foot was, in fact, in use somewhere as an umbrella stand or an ashtray.

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/5/12/26/f_000842zxm_a9bbf3b.jpg

The offending source of the alleged footprint hoax was imagined to look something like the above antique elephant stand.

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/5/12/26/f_hippofoot1tm_5919553.jpg

A baby hippo foot (above) made into an ashtray, measuring 9 & 1/2″ high by 9″ wide at the base, by 6″ wide at the top. It was recently offered on eBay for over $500 US.

But where is the 1933 cast today? Wetherell reported finding the fresh footprints of a large, four-toed animal. What if he really found something, and the brush-off was brought on by the usual establishment stance of overturning anything unusual?

Wetherell estimated the unknown animal had to be 20 feet long (apparently from the stride?). With great fanfare, we are told, Wetherell made plaster casts of the footprints and, just before Christmas, sent them off to the Natural History Museum in London for analysis.

History records that the museum zoologists announced that the footprints were those of a hippopotamus. We have all heard the story so many times. But have you seen the actual close-up photos of the tracks or the authentic cast? Where are the photos and casts today?

It is time to call for these items from Christmastime 1933 to re-surface.

Bring forth the track cast of Nessie, my dear British Natural History Museum officials. Let us all re-examine the evidence for this hoax, and I, for one, would like to obtain copies of the 1933 cast.

I am not a fool. I expect to see evidence of a hippo ashtray. But I’d like to see it with my own eyes instead of reading about what others said it was, yet again.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/nessie-trks/

[chattanova]

New Nessie Expedition Planned

The man behind May 2007’s video is returning to Loch Ness. Gordon Holmes is going to experiment with new technology to try to capture Nessie, at least with a camera.

article here http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/net-nessie08/

[chattanova]

Alberta Oilsands Yield Remains of Ancient Sea Reptile

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/4/5/f_ancientreptm_78db554.jpg

By The Canadian Press

One of the oldest and most complete plesiosaur fossils recovered in North America was uncovered in a Syncrude Canada Ltd. mine near Fort McMurray in 1994. THE CANADIAN PRESS

Fourteen years after it was discovered deep within a northern Alberta oilsands mine, an ancient reptile that resembles the Loch Ness monster finally has a name.

Nichollsia borealis is a fossilized plesiosaur that swam in a warm sea that covered the province more than 100 million years ago. The ancient reptile hunted fish with its long neck and big mouth full of sharp, pointy teeth.

Researchers say it is one of the best preserved plesiosaurs ever found.

While not classified as a dinosaur, it lived at the same time those creatures roamed the earth.

�This fills in a lot of information about a poorly understood period in the history of these animals,� Anthony Russell, a professor of biology at the University of Calgary, said Thursday.

�It is extremely well preserved. It is not crushed. The skeleton is in exactly the same position it was when it died.�

The remains were discovered by miners working north of Fort McMurray in 1994. Syncrude Canada gave scientists 24 hours to remove the fossil, Russell said. Researchers have since worked with Syncrude to map the ancient sea floor that is now being mined for oilsands.

The plesiosaur�s bones were stored at the Royal Tyrrell dinosaur museum in Drumheller, Alta., for years until a team could begin the painstaking work of removing rock from the fossilized skeleton.

The fossil was first put on display at the Tyrrell in 2001-2002 before it was removed for further study.

Now, paleontologists from the University of Calgary have formally described the prehistoric aquatic predator in a paper published in a German research journal.

The 2.6-metre-long beast has been named Nichollsia borealis in memory of the late Elizabeth (Betsy) Nicholls, who was a renowned paleontologist studying ancient sea life.

She earned her degrees at the University of Calgary and was the curator of marine reptiles at the Tyrrell between 1990 and 2004. She died in 2004.

She is credited with transforming the understanding of prehistoric ocean life through her work involving the largest-ever prehistoric marine reptile � a 23-metre-long ichthysosaur discovered in northern British Columbia in 1999.

Nichollsia borealis is again on display at the Tyrrell.

http://www.mysterycasebook.com/2008/ancientseareptile.html

[madthumbs]

Is Nessie back? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB_c2RwpbXU

Could really be anything...

Looks like a blurred, and obscured version of a video that looks more like an otter or beaver swimming and leaving a wake that doesn't reflect the light as much.

[element]

''Nessie'' is supposed to be a survivor from the dinosaur times. Dinosaurs lived in a very hot climate, other survivors like crocodilians, lizards, snakes and other reptiles live in warm/hot climates.

- Scotland isn't really hot. Some small reptiles like the adder might live there but on land and need hibernation(?).
- The water should be pretty cold there.
- For a dinosaur of the size of a plesiosaurus there is probably not enough food/ fish to get in that lake.
- If there is one, there have to be more, and when there are more, more findings should have been seen.

The lake has been investigated more over, and no evidence has been found.

Big reptiles like that would not live in such a climate.

[chattanova]

Sonar Scan Shows Possible Nessie Sighting

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/6/21/f_holmessonarm_6b4b307.jpg

Black line on scan throws up questions

It is a legend which has endured for centuries, and made a particular Highland stretch of water world famous, now an amateur scientist's sonar scan of Loch Ness has thrown up an intriguing image which he says shows a mystery object which could be Nessie.

Gordon Holmes has made it his mission to get to the bottom of the monster myth. The Nessie enthusiast has captured a sonar image that he says shows the presence of something unknown.

The intrepid Yorkshireman was at the famous loch a fortnight ago carrying out a scan of the deep waters. He says that by his calculations it is a mystery object around 30 feet long.

It is not the first time Mr Holmes' research has been under the spotlight; last year an image captured by him was viewed by internet fans across the world showing a dark image moving at speed across the loch's surface.

Mr Holmes is inviting sonar experts to hazard a guess as to what the mystery line might be.

http://www.mysterycasebook.com/2008/holmessonarscan.html

[chattanova]

Nesse Enhancement

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/4/6/29/f_94649048m_0efec8f.jpg

http://www.cryptozoology.com/gallery/gallery_show.php?id=2204&c=1126932597

I was looking in the sea serpent forum and I found some blurry images of nessie. I took the best image I found and blew it up, and spent about 30 minutes enhancing it. Note that the original image I used is in the bottom left corner and that circled red region is where I did most of my work. I did not draw anything into the image, i just messed with contrast / hues / saturations / sharpenings / color replacement / brightness / posterizing. I'm quite surprised by the results. I'll let you all make out what you see in the image.

[chattanova]

New 2008 Nessie Video

A new video of the Loch Ness Monster has been taken. Here is the footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13fLy40MAYA&eurl=http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/garside-nessie/

The Garside video appears to show three or several disjoined darkly colored patches moving along on the surface of the Scottish lake.

What do they show?

Nessie? Otters? Waves? Wake of a boat? A toy?

What do you think?

How was it obtained? Here’s what is known:

David Garside, 31, and his dad, Graham, of Glenside Road, Slaithwaite, were on holiday in Scotland in April 2008, when David saw what he took to be the Loch Ness Monster.

During a tourist boat trip (I wonder if the boat operator was someone I know?) on the loch, David saw an unusual object in the distance, and zoomed in with his video camera to get a better look.

I couldn’t really see what it was but I thought it looked sort of like a crocodile’s back or something. I was videotaping the boat tour though, so I used my zoom lens to get a closer look and luckily I caught it on camera. David Garside

His father added:

When we got off the boat, David told me he had seen the Loch Ness Monster and I told him to keep quiet or he’d get locked up. It wasn’t until a couple of weeks later when I was having a pint and he showed me it and I could see it was real. I was a sceptic before, but I believe it now. I told a few people, including the holiday company we went on holiday with, but some clerk I spoke to probably thought I was mad so it didn’t get any further. Graham Garside

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/garside-nessie/

Pretty vague as usual :rolleyes:

[chattanova]

Picture of 100ft-long 'snake' sparks fears of mythical monster in Borneo

According to legend, the Nabau was a terrifying snake more than 100ft in length and with a dragon's head and seven nostrils.

But now local villagers living along the Baleh river in Borneo believe the mythical creature has returned after this photo of a gigantic snake swimming along the remote waterways has emerged.

The picture, taken by a member of a disaster team monitoring flood regions by helicopter, has sparked a huge debate about whether the photos are genuine or merely the work of photo-editing software.

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/2/20/f_article1149m_650147c.jpg
Borneo's Nessie: The image that sparked fears a giant serpent was stalking the river Baleh

Even the respected New Straits Times newspaper in Kuala Lumpur has asked readers to make up their own minds about the photos.

Villagers who claim to have seen the snake say they have given it the name of Nabau, after an ancient sea serpent which can transform itself into the shapes of different animals.

People who have studied the photograph of the shape taken from the air have dismissed suggestions that it's a log.

As one writer asked: 'A log can't be that winding, can it?' Others have suggested it's a speedboat, but this has been dismissed because of the twisting wake.

The most common accusation is that the photo has simply been manipulated on a computer, while others complain that the river is a different colour to the real Baleh rover which is a murky brown.

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/2/20/f_55m_a6f35f9.jpg
Mythical: A second frame appears to show something snake-like in the water off a remote village

But villagers who insist the snake exists say that photos of the creature being taken in different parts of the river prove it is swimming about.

Earlier this month scientists unearthed the fossil of a killer snake that was longer than a bus, as heavy as a small car and which could swallow an animal the size of a cow.

The 45ft long monster - named Titanoboa - was so big that it lived on a diet of crocodiles and giant turtles, squeezing them to death and devouring them whole.

Weighing an impressive 1.25 tons, it slithered around the tropical forests of South America 60million years ago, just five million years after the last dinosaurs were wiped out.

Partial skeletons of the boa constrictor-like prehistoric killer were found in a Colombian coal mine by an international team of fossil hunters.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1149743/Picture-100ft-long-snake-sparks-fears-mythical-monster-Borneo.html

[venividivici2311]

Picture of 100ft-long 'snake' sparks fears of mythical monster in Borneo

The first pic certainly looks very fake,photoshopped,but who knows,the earth is a big place to hide.

[coco]

I don't know, while both pics could be photoshopped, I think the first one looks more realistic than the second.

You're right though, the Earth is a big place with a lot of hidey spots. Until a giant serpent or Nessie pops up in front of a scientist and says 'here I am' science dismisses the possibility completely.

There was a certain type of fish in Asia that was thought to be extinct. A few years ago whatta ya know - the fish popped up in the water! I am recalling this from memory so I don't remember the name of the fish or where in Asia it happened.

The point is this: Villagers said they had been seeing this particular fish and scientists wrote the assertions off as silly little villager talk. Someone finally captured several photos of the thing to prove the fish's existence.

[astrochicken]

LOL..

I haven't seen the woman doing the Loch Ness outdoor reporting
since i sat next to her in school.

[chattanova]

Nessie caught on sonar?

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/2/5/31/kennet/f_5688photo2m_fb2a804.jpg
The sonar images seen by 'Allo 'Allo stars Jeffrey Holland and Vicki Michelle which have baffled a Loch Ness expert.


CELEBRITY stage stars of the classic TV sitcom 'Allo 'Allo are at the centre of a Nessie mystery.

And a leading Loch Ness expert is baffled by one of the most unusual sonar readings recorded on Loch Ness while the cast was on a pleasure cruise.

Sonar pictures taken on the voyage revealed five unexplained images which have lead to monster speculation.

The mysterious images – which appear to be 200ft apart – have now been sent for scientific analysis.

The riddle began on Thursday morning when the cast of the stage adaptation of 'Allo 'Allo – including stars Jeffrey Holland and original TV series sexy favourite Vicki Michelle – were on board the Jacobite Queen taking the opportunity to visit the world famous loch whilst they were in the Highland capital for a week-long run at Eden Court Theatre.

The sonar reading, which illustrates five individual characters, was recorded at precisely 11.20am between Dores village and Urquhart Castle.

According to Jacobite Queen captain John Askew, it was the first time in his 15 years working on the loch that he successfully picked up images of this kind on any of the Jacobite fleet's sonar screens.

The Loch Ness Project's Adrian Shine, an expert in sonar who has been studying the loch since 1973, could not explain the sighting.

He said: "This has got me puzzled and has every appearance of a genuine sonar contact. A single object often appears again, as an echo.

"I would like to see the boat go back to this spot and see if the same thing could be produced again.

"This certainly adds to the Loch Ness mystery and will be the subject of further investigation.

"I don't understand five separate images on a sonar reading. It could possibly be a string of targets anchored to the bed of the loch, but that is again not likely, as the targets are 200ft apart exactly, which is why I would like to see the boat go back to that spot. There will be an explanation for this, but at the moment I just don't have one."

TV star Vicki Michelle was shocked at what she saw.

She explained: "I went down to the boat's cabin and caught an arch shape on the monitor, followed by two more. The whole cast had been hoping to see something on the trip and, if it was Nessie, that positive energy probably brought her out. Or perhaps she's just a fan of the show!"

She added: "In all seriousness, whether it was Nessie or not, we all definitely saw something on that monitor."

Jeffrey Holland said: "We're all very intrigued by the sonar image and keenly awaiting the results of the analysis."

* Recorded sightings of the Loch Ness Monster go back nearly 1,500 years dating to AD565, although many photographs of the legendary Nessie taken in the past century have proved to be either hoaxes or simply optical illusions.

http://www.highland-news.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/5688/Nessie_caught_on_sonar_.html

[decim]

The "Loch Ness monster" is an ethereal entity conjured by Aleister Crowley.

[cluas]

Here's another one :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnQOv8T6rso



some of it looks very fake !!

but good entertainment :)

[chattanova]

Nessie is Dead ?
Corpse seen on Ocean Floor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9NTlUHBA84

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9NTlUHBA84

[chattanova]

Is this the Loch Ness monster roaming Google Earth?

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/8/26/kennet/f_wsxg7h19ns2m_ad8976f.jpg

The mystery of the Loch Ness monster may have finally been solved – by Google Earth.

That is if you blur your eyes slightly as you look at a grainy image on the satellite mapping service and let yourself believe it could actually be the legendary Nessie.

Security guard Jason Cooke has alerted the world to what could be the famous sea creature after apparently spotting something that looks a little like the monster while browsing Google Earth.

Just below the surface of the water in the Loch, a lighter rippling can be seen, which might be a wave, a shadow or something even more mundane but might, just might, be Nessie himself.

Mr Cooke, 25, of Nottingham, told the Sun newspaper: "I couldn't believe it. It's just like the descriptions of Nessie."

Researcher Adrian Shine, of the Loch Ness Project, said: "This is really intriguing. It needs further study."

Nessie 'sightings' have been prevalent for years, with visitors descending on the Scottish stretch of water to try to prove its existence for themselves.

But recently the apparent spottings have diminished, prompting fears that climate change may have killed the mystical creature off.

What do you think? Check out the evidence for yourself on Google Earth with the co-ordinates Latitude 57°12'52.13"N, Longitude 4°34'14.16"W and tell us if you think it really is Nessie in the comments below.

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?Is_this_the_Loch_Ness_monster_roaming _Google_Earth?&in_article_id=726857&in_page_id=2

[hagbard_celine]

Is this the Loch Ness monster roaming Google Earth?


Shame the "Nessie-cam"'s been taken down.

Did any of the Nessie-watchers see it from the shore?:confused:

[truth finder]

Shame the "Nessie-cam"'s been taken down.

Did any of the Nessie-watchers see it from the shore?:confused:


yeah it sucks there gone, i think people have lost abit of intrest in nessie:(

I would love to go there and have a look my self.....maybe one day:)

[hagbard_celine]

yeah it sucks there gone, i think people have lost abit of intrest in nessie:(

I would love to go there and have a look my self.....maybe one day:)


I went there once and took a boat trip. The tour guide swore that Nessie is real, but I never saw anything.:(

[runlikehell]

Shame the "Nessie-cam"'s been taken down.


Maybe that was a good thing Hagbard ;);)

[hagbard_celine]

Maybe that was a good thing Hagbard ;);)

In what way?:confused: Like Nessie doesn't want to be seen and has a right to privacy?

[runlikehell]

In what way?:confused: Like Nessie doesn't want to be seen and has a right to privacy?

Easy Big Guy :eek: no offence!!!

sorry i wasent being clear enough :o

In the way it could teach people to put up cameras, ect, ect, and leave the bloody things there! in future :mad: :mad:

I wonder who the idiot is! who made the decision to take the cameras down!!!

He might have just fucked up obtaining one of the biggest pices of proof lake monsters still exist! ever!!! :o

Bet he's pissed now! :p

[hagbard_celine]

Easy Big Guy :eek: no offence!!!

sorry i wasent being clear enough :o



None taken. I was being serious, not sarcastic:D:o. Tone is often a hard thing to express written down and can be easily misunderstood.;)

We don't know how intelligent Nessie is. She might be aware she's being watched. Overenthousastic sightseers can cause great disturbance to known species of wildlife, let alone crypids:eek:.


In the way it could teach people to put up cameras, ect, ect, and leave the bloody things there! in future

I wonder who the idiot is! who made the decision to take the cameras down!!!

He might have just fucked up obtaining one of the biggest pices of proof lake monsters still exist! ever!!! :o

Bet he's pissed now! :p

Oh Yeah! Poor bloke. Mind you; what would happen if Nessie was ever proved real? The Loch would be covered overnight in scientific ships and curiosity-ssekers pinging away with active sonar... poor Nessie.:eek::( Really she needs to be protected.

[runlikehell]

None taken. I was being serious, not sarcastic:D:o. Tone is often a hard thing to express written down and can be easily misunderstood.;)


:o :) we need more smileys in the box



We don't know how intelligent Nessie is. She might be aware she's being watched. Overenthousastic sightseers can cause great disturbance to known species of wildlife, let alone crypids:eek:.

Well look at some peoples pets, they wont eat if people watching them
Even animals at the zoo, people go to see the aninal being feed and that's why theres somtimes specific feeding for some animals cos they are so unpredictable

Oh Yeah! Poor bloke. Mind you; what would happen if Nessie was ever proved real? The Loch would be covered overnight in scientific ships and curiosity-ssekers pinging away with active sonar... poor Nessie.:eek::( Really she needs to be protected.

Yeah that's true Big Guy!

I supose it woulden't be as bad (i think) if undeniable evidence was obtained in the open ocean, because that would give any such creature a better chance of survival, it could also make capture much more difficult due to the sheer vastness of the ocean.

But if that kind of evidence was obtained in say a lake then chances are it would only be a matter of time before the creature would be caught, dead or alive.

The stress of all the would be activity could kill off any such creature before it even gets caught! :eek:

Correct me if im wrong Hagbard, but if like me, ide love soild evidence to be obtained but not at the creatures expence ie: resulting in the death any such creatures :(

Hey has anyone heard anything about the baby Ogopogo threy were ment to have caught a in a cave underwater in a lake last year!

They were ment to be going public about it in march or may it's now september WTF's going on there?

[hagbard_celine]

:o :) we need more smileys in the box




Well look at some peoples pets, they wont eat if people watching them
Even animals at the zoo, people go to see the aninal being feed and that's why theres somtimes specific feeding for some animals cos they are so unpredictable



Yeah that's true Big Guy!

I supose it woulden't be as bad (i think) if undeniable evidence was obtained in the open ocean, because that would give any such creature a better chance of survival, it could also make capture much more difficult due to the sheer vastness of the ocean.

But if that kind of evidence was obtained in say a lake then chances are it would only be a matter of time before the creature would be caught, dead or alive.

The stress of all the would be activity could kill off any such creature before it even gets caught! :eek:

Correct me if im wrong Hagbard, but if like me, ide love soild evidence to be obtained but not at the creatures expence ie: resulting in the death any such creatures :(

Hey has anyone heard anything about the baby Ogopogo threy were ment to have caught a in a cave underwater in a lake last year!

They were ment to be going public about it in march or may it's now september WTF's going on there?

Ogopogo captured? I'd not heard that:confused:. But a strange creature washed up on Montauk beach last year. Somebody said it was just a dog, but I'm not sure.

There are game hunter groups in America who are offering cash prizes for the first one to shoot a Bigfoot. Personally I'd like to declare an open season on the hunters who'd do that!:mad::(

[jambolina62]

If the Loch Ness creature exists, I hope scientists never capture it; it's life would be over. Perhaps there are many of them that have survived down the millenia and have learned to remain elusive and out of sight.
I would love to spend some time sitting on the shores of Loch Ness, watching, just to see; I wouldn't tell a soul if I did see it.

[runlikehell]

Ogopogo captured? I'd not heard that:confused:. But a strange creature washed up on Montauk beach last year. Somebody said it was just a dog, but I'm not sure.

There are game hunter groups in America who are offering cash prizes for the first one to shoot a Bigfoot. Personally I'd like to declare an open season on the hunters who'd do that!:mad::(

Hey Hagbard I found some info on it here you go :)

NOTE: The date of this story was nov 2008! Maybe i missed updates on this story anyone know any more about it?



Baby Ogopogo Found in Canadian Lake?
By Annalee Newitz, 11:20 AM on Tue Nov 11 2008, 12,077 views

A team of indie filmmakers just wrapped The Beast of Bottomless Lake, their pseudo-documentary on the legendary Ogopogo monster, a massive creature said to live in British Columbia's Lake Okanagan. And now, a real-life documentary crew from the History Channel claims to have found a "baby Ogopogo" in an underwater cave at the lake. They've also used infrared cameras in helicopters and sonar to look for a mama Ogopogo swimming around, and they think they've spotted her.

The snakey Ogopogo, first seen in the nineteenth century, is supposedly 12 meters long. The History Channel team says their sonar spotted something 3 meters long, which is quite big for it to be a local fish. And then they came upon the "baby Ogopogo." Said Bill Steciuk, a local monster buff who helped organize the film shoots, "It was all curled up. The features were really hard to see. You could see a little head tucked in and a straight tail with no fins."

According to Canwest News Service:

The unidentified specimen has been shipped to the University of Guelph in Ontario for DNA tests, but Ogopogo buffs will have to wait until February to find out more, when the Monster Quest program weighs in on the legendary mega-serpent.

The documentary crew showed photographs of baby Ogopogo to another local monster buff, Arlene Gaal, who has written three books on Ogopogo legends. She said:

The Ogopogo is real, but I don't know what this is. I had my doubts when the crew presented me with their findings. It looked to me like a decomposing ling cod.

Sounds like this might just be advance publicity for the Monster Quest show. Frankly, I'd much rather watch The Beast of Bottomless Lake. Sounds more realistic!

Baby Ogopogo? [via Canwest News Service]

http://io9.com/5083388/baby-ogopogo-found-in-canadian-lake



http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=dd339249-8185-4f44-962e-09714781b7c7

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=1aad36e8-1251-4605-8bc5-4743ebe1e043

[hooch]

has the theory of nessy being a ghost ever been mentioned? I have always wondered why we never here of ghosts of dinosaurs and the like, after all, all living things supposedly have a spirit?

[merlincove]

A friend of mine, who is a scientist and a huge sceptic, once saw nessie one night. He'd gone to the lochs to disprove the theory that the loch couldn't possibly be home to a familly of giant carnivores, he'd set up loads of equipment and interviewed vilagers and farmers from near by and studied all the info. On the night he'd concluded Nessie was a myth that the tourist industry perpetrated he saw the beastie sculling in the shallows at the roadside on his way back to the hotel.

it is a nice story, i'd love to go there and see her.

i think what we see in the video is a seal though :rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

Hey Hagbard I found some info on it here you go :)

NOTE: The date of this story was nov 2008! Maybe i missed updates on this story anyone know any more about it?






http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=dd339249-8185-4f44-962e-09714781b7c7

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=1aad36e8-1251-4605-8bc5-4743ebe1e043

Thanks for the info, RLH:).

But why did they take the baby away?:(:mad: Couldn't they have left it where it was? This is an example of exactly the danger I mentioned above.

[coco]

Lest we forget Champ, Nessie's cousin living in Lake Champlain.

http://www.lclt.org/Champ.htm

Champ, the Famed Monster of Lake Champlain

In the eyes of the Lake Champlain Land Trust, Champ embodies the mysteries, wonders and importance of the Lake and the creatures that may or may not live within. The fact that we do not know whether Champ exists, means there is still an undiscovered and protected portion of the Lake left to discover. Perhaps most importantly, Champ helps educate the public about this beautiful place and gives us all a reason to sit quietly by the Lake and ponder what lies beneath.....


The American Indians of the area claim stories generations old of a creature living in the lake. Some people claim to have photographed her/him/it. The most famous photo of Champ was taken by a lady in 1977.

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/measure_of_a_monster_investigating_the_champ_photo/

http://i28.tinypic.com/24e3k8n.jpg

Sandra Mansi’s account of her family’s 1977 encounter with Champ is the most complete and fully documented of any lake monster sighting in history. With the most famous photo of the Loch Ness monster (the “surgeon’s photo”) revealed in 1993 to be a hoax, the Mansi photo stands alone as the most credible and important photographic evidence for a lake monster in Champlain—or anywhere else. John Kirk, in his book In the Domain of the Lake Monsters, writes that "The monster of Lake Champlain . . . has the distinction of being the only lake monster of whom there is a reasonably clear photograph. It . . . is extremely good evidence of an unidentified lake-dwelling animal” (Kirk 1998, 133). Joe Zarzynski, author of Champ: Beyond the Legend (1984), calls the photo “the best single piece of evidence on Champ.” Another writer says that “By any standard the Mansi photograph remains a genuine mystery and a serious obstacle to any effort to reduce the Champ phenomenon to mundane causes”