Free Man In Every Day Situations.

[alternative_answer]

At last a Free Man Forum In the UK. Is it possible now that we can start helping one another by posting actual experiences of how we have applied Free Man in every day situations and how we could apply Free Man in every day situations and experiences, including.
Peace officers:
Law Enforcement Officers:
PCSO's:
Parking Fines:
Speeding Fines:
Council tax & tax:
Collection Agencies:
Bailiffs:
Courts:
Money:
Bills:
Etc, etc, etc...

[stickwhistler]

At last a Free Man Forum In the UK.

Yay!
:)

[boots]

12th September 2008
Want more confirmation HDH process works???
Hi folks.
On Wednesday had a call from my friend and workshop organiser in Melbourne David t wanting to share several results he and others have now achieved – even without paperwork, just MINDSET!
Another example:
Only a couple hundred metres from the Melb Supreme Court last week Tuesday 2nd Sept when coming to act as 1 of 2 witnesses for me before the registrar at the court, Ahmed was pulled over by a peace officer after being tailed because he was journeying in a car with DC plates (and no flippen standing yet the dill!!!! – is that big cohunas or what?).
Ahmed had plastered his plates right over the Victorian plates!!!!!!
Geese, what a blunder!!
Never mind we all have done silly mistakes.
Well the officer threatened to arrest him and kidnap him to the peace (police) station but Ahmed promptly stated he had no contract with the man and that if he wanted to take the body, it was ok, but he better have heaps of insurance because Ahmed was going to sue the pants off him.
That was sufficient to cause a stand-off.
The officer radioed for backup and 3 or 4 cars attended and officers surrounded poor ol Ahmed but he never let his cool slip.
When they threatened arrest again he said ‘fine’ but hope you all got ya houses protected because I’m going to sue the pants off you all.
Meanwhile David and I were anxiously waiting for him and after several mobile phone conversations between David and Ahmed over a 30min period David and I decided to morally assist him and sped down the road to him.
Upon approaching the group of officers we realised the ‘air’ was not hostile.
An officer was removing the heavily cemented private plates from the Victorian ones and handing the shattered remains of Ahmed’s plates back to him with orders that the car was NOT to be driven and that Ahmed would be paid a visit and served to attend court.
Ahmed agreed to leave the car and NOT drive it and after brief exchange of friendly communication between the parties, the 3 of us got in David’s car and returned to the Supreme court.
Incidentally, after we had finished with matters in the Supreme Court (presented the registrar with a Habeas Corpus for the release of a body unlawfully detained – the matter is still continuing but will soon provide updates) we went back to Ahmed’s car so that he could take it for a journey home as we didn’t wish to break any statute laws by driving it home!
Hahahahaha mmmmmmm is this fun???
This week – Wednesday, Ahmed did receive the delightful visit that many of us have experienced and despite NOT admitting to be the person on the summons and also noticing the officers that Ahmed had NO contract with them and that any kidnap would be treated as such as well as assault, the officers apprehended him to the ‘peace’ station.
When he reached the station Ahmed immediately asked for the commanding officer and a Sergeant attended to interview Ahmed.
(I failed to mention earlier that Ahmed has been profusely studying the material on my DVD’s and attended the June workshop. He has finally come round to realise short fuses achieve little and quiet diplomacy via conditional acceptances and holding people to account is achieves EVERYTHING!).
Ahmed immediately noticed him, that he had free man of the land status and was not one of the State of Victoria’s chattel unless of course Sargie babe could prove otherwise.
His precise words as far as David could recall was ‘Unless you can prove your claim that I am not a free man and that I am a person and under the jurisdiction of the State of Victoria and you will sign an Affidavit to that effect right now, I will hold you personally accountable and liable for the injuries you and your people have committed against me UNLESS YOU IMMEDIATELY RETURN ME IN YOUR CAR TO MY HOME NOW!.
Well. Low and behold, the Sergeant said ‘well, we better take you back then’, and did so immediately. He didn’t want the personal liability!!!!!
Even more interestingly, he asked Ahmed for permission to take a photo of his car, and when Ahmed looked at him in surprise, he said: ‘Oh its only so I can show the officers the car so they will in future leave you alone’ !!!!!!!!!
Howz a that?
And Ahmed hasn’t even finished his standing!
So folks what does this tell us???
The process WORKS.
* DON’T ARGUE OR ACT DISHONORABLY
* BE AT ALL TIMES POLITE BUT FIRM. Eg.
I am not that person.
Show me the contract, because if you do not, I take it there isn’t one and I will hold YOU personally liable for anything you do to harm me.
Are you insured?
Is your house protected?
What’s your bank account number?
Where do you live?
* HOLD THEM PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE AND LIABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
IF OFFICERS ARE NEGLIGENT OR FAIL TO PERFORM THEIR DUTY OR BREACH THEIR DUTY, THEIR INSURANCE IS VOID.
THEREFORE ASK THEM FOR THEIR INSURANCE INDEMNITY NUMBER.
* AMONGST ALL ELSE, DITCH THE FEAR BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO, THEY BECOME FEARFUL.
REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY
* ACT AS THE CREDITOR AND YOU CONTROL THE CONVERSATION AND SITUATION
To achieve the results we expect/desire do we not have to act like creditors in order to achieve it?
There are many leaders within the wider group in every state of Australia and abroad. If we ALL take stock of how we approach those within the establishment, we will hold them accountable and the day will come when a team of peace officers will be commissioned that will immediately identify creditors from debtors and treat them as such, even offering to protect creditors against vexatious agents within the establishment as well as acting to penalise those within the establishment that wrongfully and unlawfully harm people.
I see the day coming
Because I see many within the establishment who do NOT like what they do and would rally to a process/system of honour and away from dishonour.
That time is coming FAST.
I can only say: ‘Where do you wish to be?’
Amongst those walking as creditors, and speaking with ‘power’, acting in honour
Or
Being a winging, complaining, duck shoving, cowering debtor – expecting all remedies from Government, the precise group that currently enslave you? (Not implying all people are like this!)
ISN’T IT OUR CHOICE? YOU CHOSE WISELY AND… DO IT NOW!
Well done Ahmed, and David who have joined the small of free people family who journey wherever they wish without state interference. I truly hope this encourages more to follow.

[keystone]

Mmmm - very interesting story.

[boots]

Mmmm - very interesting story.


It is keystone.

You can look at the thread on Australian Freeman of the land. last page.

Save me the time and I wont be double posting.

.

[misterethoughts]

This is real cool!

[rob menard]

Good thing I am not the type to say "I told you so!".


Who am I fooling?

TOLD YOU SO!

:D :D

Rob

[dondaz]

12th September 2008
Want more confirmation HDH process works???

I've seen enough conformation my friend. But I'd never say no to another success story like this one. Very inspirational.

Nice one boots:)

[alternative_answer]

There doesn't seem to be much input on applying Free Man to every day life, is this because it's such a new topic and as yet most people have not applied it to an actual situation?

[rjl9332]

Hi guys

I do quite a bit of work over at TPUC.org

It is my belief that the combination of Freeman status and the knowledge of commerce and contracts is as clost to the silver bullet as we're going to get, at least for now. Logically I cannot find another answer which provides within common law the remedy which we seek.

My heading towards this direction as the solution has caused a fair amount of resistance, and I wondered if those of you who have read this thread would be willing to come over and chip in your two pence to the discussion. There is a ton of info to read on the subject and your input is welcome

Richy
TPUC.org

[yozhik]

There doesn't seem to be much input on applying Free Man to every day life, is this because it's such a new topic and as yet most people have not applied it to an actual situation?

Can only answer for myself ... yes and yes :)

Yes - for me, this is a relatively new topic.
Yes - I am busy studying every aspect as much as possible before throwing myself in front of this runaway train.

As I expressed here http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=646769&postcount=414

[alternative_answer]

I find TPUC difficult to navigate around, there's so much info it becomes incoherent, you have to keep skipping around from one place to the next.
Richie, maybe you could put together an order of reading for us newbies on here, so it flows in some way.

[yozhik]

I find TPUC difficult to navigate around, there's so much info it becomes incoherent, you have to keep skipping around from one place to the next.
Richie, maybe you could put together an order of reading for us newbies on here, so it flows in some way.

Could never understand why I had to register twice on tpuc.org, for two separated forums. Strange system. You're right alternative_answer; it is a little user-unfriendly. Could be the reason for its low participation numbers.

Richie - you're correct; the content is very good. The layout is prohibitive.

[alternative_answer]

Could never understand why I had to register twice on tpuc.org, for two separated forums. Strange system. You're right alternative_answer; it is a little user-unfriendly. Could be the reason for its low participation numbers.

Richie - you're correct; the content is very good. The layout is prohibitive.

It could be organised into sections from A-Z starting at the beginning of the Free Man process and walking you through it step by step. Everything I read about Free Man does not bring me closer to it because there is so much disjointed information, bits here, bits there. I will however persevere with it and read and watch as much as I can, even if as it seems going over it again and again.

[signalnorth]

2 questions and I hope they don't stray too far from the freeman on the land area.

1) I've across bit and pieces re Freeman on the land where people in 'authority' are asked to reply 'with full liability' in mind . What does this mean?

2) Also re contracts. Is it the case that a contract you have not been able to negotiate is invalid? Would this apply to Job seeker agreements? Is that a contract?

[lesactive]

1) I've across bit and pieces re Freeman on the land where people in 'authority' are asked to reply 'with full liability' in mind . What does this mean?

It means that if the agents are found to be acting beyond their mandate or in the case of a freeman, under colour of law, and cause harm through negligence they will be held personally liable for damages, including time spent dealing with the matter.

2) Also re contracts. Is it the case that a contract you have not been able to negotiate is invalid? Would this apply to Job seeker agreements? Is that a contract?

Basic contract elements: Offer, acceptance, consideration. Do the Job Seeker agreements fit within those terms?

Applications are a different type of contract. One of the problems with gov't applications is that they invariably fail to give full disclosure of all contingent agreements. The tax number is troubling as most of us applied for it under the legal age of liability. I was 14 and had no clue that I'd be signing up to pay taxes for the rest of my life. That's two strikes against them, non-disclosure and contracting with a minor.

[tien an]

2 questions and I hope they don't stray too far from the freeman on the land area.

1) I've across bit and pieces re Freeman on the land where people in 'authority' are asked to reply 'with full liability' in mind . What does this mean?

Just to add to Signalnorth's comment:
This is also the reason that Freeman on the Land, as a concept has to be thought through carefully.
Becoming so is assuming personal liability for oneself, for any eventuality...

[yozhik]

The more I read, the more I am concerned about the use of "worthless negotiable instruments" as a tool of enslavement.
Meaning; the current pieces of paper we currently refer to as "money" is worthless and is one of the primary tools by tptb to further ensnare us in this ridiculous, Rights sapping system.

From another thread on the forum comes this;

Current Account Balances (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html)

Why should I be forced to accept pieces of paper, disguised as promissory notes, when there can be no real value to them? As a Freeman, can I claim the Right to determine how and in what form I receive payment?

Accepting fiat currency in the form of USD or GBP is tantamount to accepting a cheque you KNOW is going to bounce for having insufficient funds! Why perpetuate the lies?