Why isnt David Icke a Freeman?

[pleasuredome]

David mentions some of the things freemen talk about in some of his books. He obviously see's how the legal game is played. so why hasn't he become a freeman-of-the-land? would it be complicated for his business or does he believe that disconnecting our minds from the matrix is the better alternative?

[red_ram]

He probably considers it irrelevant.

[bulgariaole]

can someone explain to me what this freeman-on-land thing is, i did some quick research but dont really get it...
speak to me like im 10 yrs old cuz i really havent heard of this before

[rjl9332]

I have wondered too why this whole facet isnt mentioned by Icke, at all. I know Jordan Maxwell mentored him a fair bit too and he must have been aware of the freeman movement in canada and the US. It is as much a spiritual movement as anything else, IMHO...

[dondaz]

David mentions some of the things freemen talk about in some of his books. He obviously see's how the legal game is played. so why hasn't he become a freeman-of-the-land? would it be complicated for his business or does he believe that disconnecting our minds from the matrix is the better alternative?

I think it's an area he hasn't delved deeply in to. I asked David about this when I met him and he says a few things about it. he said to me on film he has looked into it a little bit. I think this could catch on with him as he's a quick learner and very bright.

[dondaz]

can someone explain to me what this freeman-on-land thing is, i did some quick research but dont really get it...
speak to me like im 10 yrs old cuz i really havent heard of this before


There is a learning curve to get past, but once you do you'll be hooked for the duration.

It's about honour and respect, the law, the corporate slave system. It's about doing things as an adult & standing on your own two feet, without the need to ask the government for permission to do things that are lawful. For instance, it is not against the Law to travel in your automobile without a drivers licence, mot, tax etc. Those are statute and act obligations and only apply to persons, not human beings. I like the term Freeman Philosophy, it kind of emcompasses a larger look at the whole subject of Freeman on The Land.

Check out TheFreemanChannel http://www.youtube.com/TheFreemanChannel there's plenty of short vids to help you get started on understanding this subject. Stick with it mate, it's well worth it knowing how the elite system really works.

Check out www.thinkfree.ca (http://www.thinkfree.ca) and www.tpuc.org (http://www.tpuc.org) if you are from the UK, very usefull resorces of information!

[pleasuredome]

dondaz, have you become a freeman yet? how will european law, which is meant to supercede british law in january, affect the process of becoming a freeman?

[dondaz]

dondaz, have you become a freeman yet? how will european law, which is meant to supercede british law in january, affect the process of becoming a freeman?

Not yet, I have my NOUI & COR ready to be signed by a Public Notery. I am just finalising a few bits and dabs and then I'm free.

The European Union and the UK, both corporations, are merging, the EU being the parent company, as it were. This is why the EU supercedes the UK, but it is all statutes and acts. No EU statute, act, by-law, rule or regulation can overide English Common Law, The Law of The Land. They want us to believe it does, but they won't swear on oath upon their full commercial liability and under penality of perjury because they know they will be telling lies, so they will just try to ignore the real issues and hope we don't learn about them.

[alternative_answer]

Dondaz; It would be good to see examples of Free Man in practise relating to every day experiences when dealing with various corporations and their agents.

[weareinfinitelove]

if he were a freeman wouldn't travel be impossible? due to having to have a passport etc???

[catfood]

It all seems a bit strange to me. why are they leaving this loop hole when it would be so easy to close. and if the police and the jailers dont know about it what difference will it make any way?

[thethirdeye]

lets be honest... In this society freeman means... crazyness.. If I don't pay taxes, I go to jail.. And I am sure that he will not realy enlight the people, if he is in jail... He is just clever... If he act towards, freeman phylosophy, he is going to become center of many atacks, and the (i)rational people will acuse him as crazy... So, he won't be able to help people awake, and the people that awaked a bit, will doubt in his rationality... they might begin to believe that he is really crazy... He is aware of all this, he knows that this is Matrix game, but he is playing wise... And don't let the game fool him:)

peace:)

[h2pogo]

lets be honest... In this society freeman means... crazyness.. If I don't pay taxes, I go to jail.. And I am sure that he will not realy enlight the people, if he is in jail... He is just clever... If he act towards, freeman phylosophy, he is going to become center of many atacks, and the (i)rational people will acuse him as crazy... So, he won't be able to help people awake, and the people that awaked a bit, will doubt in his rationality... they might begin to believe that he is really crazy... He is aware of all this, he knows that this is Matrix game, but he is playing wise... And don't let the game fool him:)

peace:)

It is arguably not lawfull to pay taxes to a treasonus government.
copied and pasted from
http://www.tpuc.org
By paying Tax I am in breach of the 1848 Treason Felony Act which quite clearly states that I cannot give this government any aid or support for they still continue to act treasonously against our Queen on a daily basis and have done for many years previously.

[dondaz]

Dondaz; It would be good to see examples of Free Man in practise relating to every day experiences when dealing with various corporations and their agents.

Here's Rob Menard dealling with a dodgy coporation on the phone. This is interesting:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9YGsGhrbn7c

[catfood]

Are they any sources of information on this freeman moment that are UK specific?

[h2pogo]

Are they any sources of information on this freeman moment that are UK specific?

hope this link helps
http://www,tpuc.org

[catfood]

hope this link helps
http://www,tpuc.org

http://www.tpuc.org/
Thanks will have a read through tomorrow:)

[friendsinthesky]

if he were a freeman wouldn't travel be impossible? due to having to have a passport etc???

Apparently, you can still use a passport. But if he were to live souly as a freeman, then he will need to write a letter to the country he wishes to travel, explain he is a "freeman on the land" and his intentions of travel, then wait patiently for a returned letter, hopefully granting permission to enter country. (something like that)

[boots]

Apparently, you can still use a passport. But if he were to live souly as a freeman, then he will need to write a letter to the country he wishes to travel, explain he is a "freeman on the land" and his intentions of travel, then wait patiently for a returned letter, hopefully granting permission to enter country. (something like that)

Could you image how hard it would be for Icke when the like's of the ADL and others are out to get him. The guy would be in court all day every day defending his Freeman status.


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[pinkfreud]

umm ok i know i'll probably look daft by the end of this sentence but what is this freemanism all about?


edit: oh nvm i saw this:

There is a learning curve to get past, but once you do you'll be hooked for the duration.

It's about honour and respect, the law, the corporate slave system. It's about doing things as an adult & standing on your own two feet, without the need to ask the government for permission to do things that are lawful. For instance, it is not against the Law to travel in your automobile without a drivers licence, mot, tax etc. Those are statute and act obligations and only apply to persons, not human beings. I like the term Freeman Philosophy, it kind of emcompasses a larger look at the whole subject of Freeman on The Land.

Check out TheFreemanChannel http://www.youtube.com/TheFreemanChannel there's plenty of short vids to help you get started on understanding this subject. Stick with it mate, it's well worth it knowing how the elite system really works.

Check out www.thinkfree.ca (http://www.thinkfree.ca) and www.tpuc.org (http://www.tpuc.org) if you are from the UK, very usefull resorces of information!


sounds interesting, will def give this a look.

[awakensong]

Are you sure you want to be out on the road with people driving cars and trucks who have had no driver's training? There needs to be a balance of freedom and wisdom to this.

[pleasuredome]

Are you sure you want to be out on the road with people driving cars and trucks who have had no driver's training? There needs to be a balance of freedom and wisdom to this.

yes, there is wisdom. its parliament passing a statute law that we, the people, know is needed so that we can rightly and consienciously consent to.

[dondaz]

Are you sure you want to be out on the road with people driving cars and trucks who have had no driver's training? There needs to be a balance of freedom and wisdom to this.

Clearly you have heard of driving lessons?:rolleyes:

[yozhik]

Are you sure you want to be out on the road with people driving cars and trucks who have had no driver's training? There needs to be a balance of freedom and wisdom to this.

Sorry, I just do not accept this as justification for the statute.

Freemanism is based on taking responsibility for your own actions.
Would you, as a responsible adult, attempt to travel in an automobile, without the adequate skills to do so safely?
Would you, as a responsible adult, allow your offspring to travel in an automobile under their control, without the adequate skills to do so?

The answer to both questions is, of course, no.

The license does not, by default, imply skill.
If it did, then there would be retests throughout the lifetime of a man or woman, to determine this skill had not deteriorated. As it stands, the only test of skill is the ability to pay the renewal fee!!

Of all the automobile deaths in any given year; how many held a license?

You do not require a statute, nor a fee, nor a licence to be a responsible adult, performing the Right to travel in an automobile.

[grenadene]

Are you sure you want to be out on the road with people driving cars and trucks who have had no driver's training? There needs to be a balance of freedom and wisdom to this.

There are already people on the road driving about with little or no drivers training, irresponsible behaviour can't be legislated against. Else they wouldn't need the conviction of 'driving whilst banned'.

We are all bound by common law whether we are 'freemen' or not it and this offers a high degree of protection for the individual and their property. In fact the freeman movement seems to be born out a deep rooted respect for everyone's freedom not just those who can afford a good solicitor.

Which brings me to the issue of why David Icke isn't a Freeman ;)

How on earth would he find the time to research and become intimately knowledgeable of the UK legal system? He seems to be quite a busy fellow as it is :)

[dondaz]

How on earth would he find the time to research and become intimately knowledgeable of the UK legal system? He seems to be quite a busy fellow as it is :)

Look at the areas Freeman Philosophy covers, spirituality, love, banking, corporations, the law of the land, admirality, the person, honour, courts, to name just a few.

Icke too has many Freeman on The Land attributes and knowledge: spirituality, love, banking, corporations, admirality, the person, honour, he already has much of the puzzle solved.

This is from one of Davids Newsletters last year. I sorted this with admin before I posted this:


Straw 'People'

The 'real' you, on the level of the living, breathing, free sovereign 'you', operates under Common Law. This is defined as: 'The unwritten law developed primarily from judicial case decisions based on custom and precedent. It developed in England and constitutes the basis for the legal systems of most of the states in the United States.'

(http://www.kellyinsurance.com/glossa....glossary.html (http://www.kellyinsurance.com/glossary/legal.c.glossary.html))

The government/corporation system controls, not through Common Law, but Admiralty Law, which is known in the United States as the Uniform Commercial Code. This is the law of contracts and to entrap us they have to get us to contract with them, even though they don't tell us we are doing so.

The sting has been set up so that when you register with the 'Federal Government' in any way by accepting a Social Security number, driver's licence, or any of the other official federal documents, you are, unknowingly, agreeing to become an asset-employee of the 'government' corporation. From that moment you become responsible for financing the corporation's state of bankruptcy.

When you pay taxes or a court or parking fine and such like, you are servicing the bankruptcy by paying that money to 'government' agencies that are nothing more than debt-collecting agencies for the creditor banks.

They enslave the people in their law of contracts by creating a fictional entity using our names written in all upper case. When we are born they use the birth certificate to form an account in trust and create the fictional upper case entity or 'straw man'. Black's Law 6th Edition defines a straw man as:

'A front; a third party who is put up in name only to take part in a transaction. Nominal party to a transaction; one who acts as an agent for another for the purpose of taking title to real property and executing whatever documents and instruments the principle may direct respecting the property. Person who purchases property for another to conceal identity of real purchaser, or to accomplish some other purpose otherwise not allowed.'

Another definition is: "a man of straw, one of no substance, put forward as bail or surety."

The definition of surety is:

'One who has contracted himself to be answerable for the debt, default, or miscarriage of another ... One who undertakes to pay money or perform other acts in the event that his principal fails to do so; the surety is directly and immediately liable for the debt..'

So this is the way the fraud is played. They create a fictitious 'straw man' trust at birth and the trust uses the newly born's name in all uppercase. If the free sovereign is called, say, john bloggs - all lower case - the trust is called JOHN BLOGGS.

Look at the documents we receive from taxation offices, any government department, banks, courts, police and so on. Look at your passport. Invariably they will spell your name in all uppercase because these organisations are operating under commercial law and only have jurisdiction over commercial entities - i.e. the upper case trusts. They have no jurisdiction under Common Law over 'you', the living, breathing, free sovereign.

What they do is trick us into standing surety for the trust and becoming liable for its commercial operations and debts. This is done by us signing their documents, applying for licences and in countless other ways.

I have asked lawyers, court clerks and police officers why they always use our names in uppercase. They had no idea. The overwhelming majority of those working for the system are ignorant of what they are administering and enforcing. That's how the Illuminati work throughout what we call 'society'.


Imagine Icke making a vid on this subject, the possibilities are endless!

[rob menard]

Imagine Icke making a vid on this subject, the possibilities are endless!

Try the Freeman perspective on for size:
Imagine YOUR name] making a vid on this subject, the possibilities are endless!

Bet you would be very very hard pressed to show me a difference if you accepted your own unlimited potential.

Rob

PS- It is best when you smell a fart to not realize the molecules stimulating your olfactory senses were seconds previously further up someones colon then any enema tube has ever been.

Some things are in fact best not to think about.

[dondaz]

Bet you would be very very hard pressed to show me a difference if you accepted your own unlimited potential.

Rob

Erm, not sure what that exactly means, you mean about the vids I posted in your thread?:confused:

[dondaz]

Try the Freeman perspective on for size:
Imagine YOUR name] making a vid on this subject, the possibilities are endless!

Bet you would be very very hard pressed to show me a difference if you accepted your own unlimited potential.

Rob


Ahhh, I get it now, I think. Well, I suppose I'm trying to accept it, I don't think I know near enough about myself as I'd like, bar the materialist, egotist, programed side I'm trying to get rid of. The whole freeman thing has definately helped me in the past 12 months of anger over knowing what they are doing against us.

This was me 16 months ago, full of anger:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NgveWQBSjBU

Understanding from people like yourself and others has givern me a whole new outlook on the way to see things, on law, statutes, the police and how to deal with them and do it all with honour. These things I am learning to apply in my own life and it is making a positive difference, cheers!:)

[friendsinthesky]

Erm, not sure what that exactly means, you mean about the vids I posted in your thread?:confused:

That's right, he is saying anyone can make a vid, unleash your unlimited potential.

And I agree with you dondaz, you have calmed and taken a step back. Crudo's to you.

[bim11]

noob

[goldman]

David mentions some of the things freemen talk about in some of his books. He obviously see's how the legal game is played. so why hasn't he become a freeman-of-the-land? would it be complicated for his business or does he believe that disconnecting our minds from the matrix is the better alternative?

I think because it will make you an "OUTLAW" : OUT > LAW. Which means that you have no protection anymore. Law also gives you protection (in case anyone forgot).

So I'm not really into this Freeman stuff because i think it's just another ponzi scheme for us to rebel against the government and set ourselves outside the law. Guess what happens when you are out of law, they can do whatever they want with you.

Read up on OUTLAW's and see what they've done to them in our bloody history, maybe that is a good counter argument.

Buuuuuuuttt, that's my humble opinion! :p

[lesactive]

i think it's just another ponzi scheme for us to rebel against the government and set ourselves outside the law.

Buuuuuuuttt, that's my humble opinion! :p

I humbly offer this small book called The Law by Frederic Bastiat circa 1850:

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

I ask that you read it, please take your time, and then come back and explain how any part of what we are doing goes against the spirit of the book.

The biggest ponzi scheme in town is the one the gov't is operating. It's nice to know that you can opt out though, don't ya think?

Life is grand!

[red_ram]

I think because it will make you an "OUTLAW" : OUT > LAW. Which means that you have no protection anymore. Law also gives you protection (in case anyone forgot).



The Freeman idea isn't about being outside of the law, as you're adhering to the common law of the land. If there was ever a word like outstatute, then yesh, you would be.

As for having no protection, you'll notice that in almost every Freeman case where the police are harrassing the FM, he/she is immediately left alone when the police realise who they're dealing with.

[ashur]

if he were a freeman wouldn't travel be impossible? due to having to have a passport etc???

You're allowed to have those things under duress without accepting yourself as a corporate entity. Once you have made your legal stance clear it does not have to bind you to anything to have a passport or drivers license. It just means you have your signature under duress only with the agreement as a corporate entity null and void as you do not accept terms and conditions with no viable alternative avaliable.

[dondaz]

You're allowed to have those things under duress without accepting yourself as a corporate entity. Once you have made your legal stance clear it does not have to bind you to anything to have a passport or drivers license. It just means you have your signature under duress only with the agreement as a corporate entity null and void as you do not accept terms and conditions with no viable alternative avaliable.

I agree. You could write out a claim of right stating the passport is not an acceptance of your person and to imply a connection to your living human spirit is committing fraud.

Pleasuredome, your the man for this job me thinks. Could you put an affidavit together covering this? Just a thought:)

[pleasuredome]

I agree. You could write out a claim of right stating the passport is not an acceptance of your person and to imply a connection to your living human spirit is committing fraud.

Pleasuredome, your the man for this job me thinks. Could you put an affidavit together covering this? Just a thought:)

what? what? me? :D

this would take a bit of research. can you claim duress when nobody is forcing you? dont you have to apply for a passport? i'll look into it soon.

ashur, can you post some links relating to what you said? thanks

[goldman]

I humbly offer this small book called The Law by Frederic Bastiat circa 1850:

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

I ask that you read it, please take your time, and then come back and explain how any part of what we are doing goes against the spirit of the book.

The biggest ponzi scheme in town is the one the gov't is operating. It's nice to know that you can opt out though, don't ya think?

Life is grand!

I think if you watch this one:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=449294564876413449&ei=Vro_SbaEEpOQiQKh0vyqCQ&q=conspiracy

Your opinion might change as well.

The video is somewhat old, but it deals with the method the Illuminated uses to set up a control grid and fund every party for their benefits and agenda. The video also shows someone who was very connected to it (the guy is hardly known) and warned a long time ago that the Illuminati fund all parties to rebel against the current "order", to overthrow them and make way for their "new" order.

So I wonder what happens when everyone starts being a "freemen", I think I already know: the people who invented the scheme will step in and take control, being more fucked than ever because that means total slavery by self sustained and willingly outlawry by the freemen. What they want is pressure from above & pressure from below to engineer chaos, which means that people can be convinced into thinking that one is acting against the elite (with such recurring schemes), while actually helping them to reach their goals.

But that's my gut feeling about it. :)


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[yozhik]

You're allowed to have those things under duress without accepting yourself as a corporate entity. Once you have made your legal stance clear it does not have to bind you to anything to have a passport or drivers license. It just means you have your signature under duress only with the agreement as a corporate entity null and void as you do not accept terms and conditions with no viable alternative avaliable.

I've suggested another route for the passport issue in another thread, which I will re-post, given the topic has been raised again. Hopefully this time it will spark some debate :)

Something I have been looking at under the microscope is the matter of Trusts; due mainly to a post and link I have already placed on this forum, from tpuc. The pdf document essentially hypothesised that the crux of all matters was nearly all statutes and acts were decided on the basis of the trust agreement implied/construed that existed, with you either as the beneficiary or grantor. An interesting read!

Now I "see" it whenever I look at simple definitions ... for example, the following from Wikipedia for "breach of contract";

Quote:
Contract law is based on the principle expressed in the Latin phrase pacta sunt servanda. Breach of contract is recognised by the law and remedies can be provided. Sometimes written contracts are required, such as when buying a house.[2] However, most contracts can be and are made orally, such as purchasing a book or a sandwich. Contract law can be classified, as is habitual in civil law systems, as part of a general law of obligations (along with tort, unjust enrichment or restitution).
The only time I have seen the term "unjust enrichment" is when pertaining to trusts and describes the crime of a beneficiary. i.e a Trust.

However, it also took me somewhere else ... Now, stay with me on this one ...

Mentioned in this definition is the phrase pacta sunt servanda.
Quote:
Pacta sunt servanda (Latin for "agreements must be kept"[1]), is a Brocard, a basic principle of civil law and of international law. The only limit to pacta sunt servanda is jus cogens (Latin for "compelling law"), the peremptory norms of general international law.
Quote:
A peremptory norm (also called jus cogens or ius cogens, Latin for "compelling law") is a fundamental principle of international law which is accepted by the international community of states as a norm from which no derogation is ever permitted.

There is no clear agreement regarding precisely which norms are jus cogens — or indeed how a norm reaches the status of jus cogens — but it is generally accepted that jus cogens includes the prohibition of genocide, maritime piracy, slaving in general (to include slavery as well as the slave trade), torture, and wars of aggression and territorial aggrandizement.
Quote:
Slavery is the systematic exploitation of labour. The 1926 Slavery Convention described slavery as "...the status and/or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised..." Slaves cannot leave an owner, an employer or a territory without explicit permission (they must have a passport to leave), and they will be returned if they escape. Therefore a system of slavery—as opposed to the isolated instances found in any society—requires official, legal recognition of ownership, or widespread tacit arrangements with local authorities, by masters who have some influence because of their social and/or economic status and their lives.

Is this not EXACTLY what we have now in our so called "modern society"? We have to seek permission to leave the territory, carry a passport and face deportation if failing to meet these requirements? :roll:

The question is; have we been guilty of giving our consent to this enslavement, which then, by its definition, is not slavery?
If we have placed ourselves within it voluntarily, for all benefits shiny and all privileges golden; then even though slavery by definition, it cannot be by our application for this position.

However, take away the consent; what is left? Slavery by definition?
Would this argument also not provide remedy for the question of international travel?
The description from the 1926 Slavery Convention gave the example that a requirement for a man to carry a passport is evidence of a slave/master relationship. However, prohibition of slavery is generally recognised as one of the peremptory norms; "a fundamental principle of international law which is accepted by the international community of states as a norm from which no derogation is ever permitted."

Could this be the Freeman remedy?

[lesactive]

I think if you watch this one:
Your opinion might change as well.

I remember seeing that one, funny, like a Movietone newsreel crossed with a Better Living Through Chemistry promo flick.

The video is somewhat old, but it deals with the method the Illuminated uses to set up a control grid and fund every party for their benefits and agenda. The video also shows someone who was very connected to it (the guy is hardly known) and warned a long time ago that the Illuminati fund all parties to rebel against the current "order", to overthrow them and make way for their "new" order.

I'm not rebelling or following nor am I funded. I'm after the truths of the matter as I would assume are most who look upon the gov't with new eyes. You won't find any 'leaders', teachers yes, but then we're all unique in what we have to share. If there's anything that a teacher of this information wants to inspire it is the sense that you can take control of certain elements that the gov't has optioned with your unwitting consent.

So I wonder what happens when everyone starts being a "freemen", I think I already know: the people who invented the scheme will step in and take control, being more fucked than ever because that means total slavery by self sustained and willingly outlawry by the freemen. What they want is pressure from above & pressure from below to engineer chaos, which means that people can be convinced into thinking that one is acting against the elite (with such recurring schemes), while actually helping them to reach their goals.

But that's my gut feeling about it. :)
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I think I can understand your concerns but I have to disagree with your perception as to what freemen are. In my view, overly simplified, it's about closing the loop of liability where their trusts are involved. There's no 'outlawry', in the strictest sense. I have entertained the idea in the past that I may be involving myself in something conspiratorial but then you have to wonder: why would the elite send agents to help us decipher the codes that pretend to bind us? Doesn't cut the mustard. I don't doubt for a minute that there are agents infiltrating some groups who are possibly feeding them false info but people into this tend to be fairly bright and motivated and with due diligence the truth will out.

Lastly, this isn't in the least about chaos, unless you find peace chaotic. It may seem that way at first glance because we are doing this as individual people and going counter to what most of 'society' does in their daily dealings with the gov't, but I have no intention of bringing this gov't down and I'm sure most others don't either, so in that sense it's not a rebellion so much as a re-vision of gov't so that it operates (as it should) from it's lawful basis, with our consent. If it gets to the point of martial law, freemen would be seen as outlaws, but we're not at that point just yet and if enough of us do this (it will never be everyone) then perhaps martial law will never be instituted because it won't be necessary; too many responsible people around looking after one another.

Personally, I'd rather stand up to face them. My gut feeling tells me not to live my life in fear of the consequences for seeking the truth. This is no longer about patriotism, and using the word 'rebellion' has too many inflammatory connotations to it to genuinely express the spirit of the movement. Redemption is a little bit closer to the truth.

Edit: Besides, getting back in is easy, just sign a form and you're theirs again!

[whiterain]

It is arguably not lawfull to pay taxes to a treasonus government.
copied and pasted from
http://www.tpuc.org
By paying Tax I am in breach of the 1848 Treason Felony Act which quite clearly states that I cannot give this government any aid or support for they still continue to act treasonously against our Queen on a daily basis and have done for many years previously.

does anyone know of anyone trying to get themselves arrested for this? it might be a worthwhile stand to make, and get the government down on paper in a court as being a criminal entity. with a bit of research, and if it seems worthwhile i may be willing. not that i have any reason to protect elizardbeth of course

[rob menard]

I think if you watch this one:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=449294564876413449&ei=Vro_SbaEEpOQiQKh0vyqCQ&q=conspiracy

Your opinion might change as well.

The video is somewhat old, but it deals with the method the Illuminated uses to set up a control grid and fund every party for their benefits and agenda. The video also shows someone who was very connected to it (the guy is hardly known) and warned a long time ago that the Illuminati fund all parties to rebel against the current "order", to overthrow them and make way for their "new" order.

So I wonder what happens when everyone starts being a "freemen", I think I already know: the people who invented the scheme will step in and take control, being more fucked than ever because that means total slavery by self sustained and willingly outlawry by the freemen. What they want is pressure from above & pressure from below to engineer chaos, which means that people can be convinced into thinking that one is acting against the elite (with such recurring schemes), while actually helping them to reach their goals.

But that's my gut feeling about it. :)


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I appreciate your cynicism. However, there are holes. It rests upon it being a scheme, and me being a willing member of the illuminati or an unwitting patsy.

I may be presenting this to you, no one presented it to me. I had to spend literally tens of thousands of hours to uncover the pieces and put them together. Someone spent a lot of time hiding them, and no one helped me uncover them or led me to them, although I did have a mentor who helped me learn to think critically.

If I was Illuminati, I wouldn't be so broke. The knowledge I have now I could take to law school and come out and charge big money and make millions a year. I live as it is in a one bedroom flat with no heat. If I was a part of the illuminati, I would be far better paid.

It is possible I have been unwittingly led to reveal, but that does not fly with me either. too many blocks have been put in my way, and the info that is revealed does not help tptb at all. A comic or Magician may hire someone to be a plant in the crowd, but not to the extent they ruin the whole show.

In the end, it will be up to you to look in your own heart and find the truth there.

The above statement should be enough to convince you that I am not serving the elite. looking in your own heart is the very last thing they want you to do.

Rob

[goldman]

I appreciate your cynicism. However, there are holes. It rests upon it being a scheme, and me being a willing member of the illuminati or an unwitting patsy.

I may be presenting this to you, no one presented it to me. I had to spend literally tens of thousands of hours to uncover the pieces and put them together. Someone spent a lot of time hiding them, and no one helped me uncover them or led me to them, although I did have a mentor who helped me learn to think critically.

If I was Illuminati, I wouldn't be so broke. The knowledge I have now I could take to law school and come out and charge big money and make millions a year. I live as it is in a one bedroom flat with no heat. If I was a part of the illuminati, I would be far better paid.

It is possible I have been unwittingly led to reveal, but that does not fly with me either. too many blocks have been put in my way, and the info that is revealed does not help tptb at all. A comic or Magician may hire someone to be a plant in the crowd, but not to the extent they ruin the whole show.

In the end, it will be up to you to look in your own heart and find the truth there.

The above statement should be enough to convince you that I am not serving the elite. looking in your own heart is the very last thing they want you to do.

Rob

I wasn't being cynical, I just wrote what I felt about it. I am absolutely not suggesting or saying you are in it as well, but the possibility of being influenced or pointed to walk this path due to some experience might be a complete other reality as well. I only question who started this and why, to my research the freemen idea exists for a long time, recurring every now and then. '80s, '90s, and currently.

The question here is, what if they engineered it this way.

Current law is corrupted, original law was not. (Think the bill of rights here) So, how far are you or other freemen are you willing to go? If freemanery is solely about uplifting the Bill of rights, I would applaud it. But the danger does exist that it creates a movement or "ism" that can be as corrupt as those who engineered it.

It think many would agree that it goes without saying that the powerhouse called the Illuminati always want to undermine (current) power and control, for their own benefits, so caution is a healthy thing? :)

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[wellsyboy]

On the whole Capital Letters for names theme, I recently wrote to my MP about Chemtrails and if he could shed any light on it. He wrote back to me and said that as far as he was aware they are just contrails but will pass it on to the correct person within the Library at the House of Commons (now I feel reassured). Anyhows, after writing the entire letter in normal text, i.e. lower case except for Proper Nouns or beginning of sentences, he signed his name in full capitals:

e.g. GORDON BROWN MP (btw it wasn't Gordie)

Do you think he might have been attempting to disassociate himself (the human) with the comments made??

[vienna]

Not yet, I have my NOUI & COR ready to be signed by a Public Notery. I am just finalising a few bits and dabs and then I'm free.

The European Union and the UK, both corporations, are merging, the EU being the parent company, as it were. This is why the EU supercedes the UK, but it is all statutes and acts. No EU statute, act, by-law, rule or regulation can overide English Common Law, The Law of The Land. They want us to believe it does, but they won't swear on oath upon their full commercial liability and under penality of perjury because they know they will be telling lies, so they will just try to ignore the real issues and hope we don't learn about them.

Hi Dondaz - what do you mean by NOUI & COR ?

and could you list the steps you went through to get to the stage you're at now?

cheers