Police oficers in the UK are acting fraudulently

[alternative_answer]

Common Law & Commercial Law

Police, Councils, Banks and Government agencies etc are actually committing fraud against us with every Statute, Act, Order and Notice they use...Fact! Find out why & arm youself with the knowledge that gives you freedom!

http://www.thetruthwillout.com/common_law.html

[keystone]

Read the Freeman On The Land threads.

[alternative_answer]

Read the Freeman On The Land threads.

Read them, am currently reading Roberts Menards e-book, fantasic and enlightening stuff, still a long way to go before I go for Free Man On The Land and understand it all, but I've started.

[apekteina lordosis]

Read the Freeman On The Land threads.

yes! spend near on a day reading all the threads and watching all the vids then read the books and go on to spend several years becoming a freeman.

fuck "common law" and fuck "admiralty/maritime law". geez what a bunch of wet fish some of you have turned out to be. hey yeah! let's make a complicated situation that many people are unable to comprehend even more incomprehensible. by championing "common law" you are validating "maritime law", in fact the concept that we need "laws" all together.

"laws" only exist to keep the system of money and organised religions ticking along. a primate in the jungle doesn't pay rent for the tree he lives in. a lioness doesn't give tesco 20quid every time she eats a gazelle. human beings have lived on this planet for near on a million years and for most of that time there were no laws and if a human being did something that was considered "wrong" by the other human beings they lived with, well something "wrong" would happen to the naughty one. it's not rocket science you know. everyone has a right to shelter, warmth, food and medicine. to quote someone else- "why do we have to pay to live on this planet?".

i dunno maybe some of ya get some sort of obscure buzz by thinking you have an upper hand over the rozzers, yet if you returned home and found you'd been burgled they'd be the first people you'd call. ditto if you got mugged or your partner was kidnapped.

doing the freeman thingy ain't gonna stop the erosion of our civil liberties. bringing a halt to that requires the mass of the great unwashed behind it,
and just as they ain't gonna be turned on by talk of shape-shifting reptilians, they aren't going to be thrilled with the prospect of several years of studying up on common law.

[keystone]

doing the freeman thingy ain't gonna stop the erosion of our civil liberties. bringing a halt to that requires the mass of the great unwashed behind it,Yes I do agree. It seems to be a form of escapism - but I ain't finished my considerations yet by a ong way.

[alternative_answer]

mmm, lets then just sit in front of the TV and do nothing. apekteina lordosis, you dismiss the concept out of hand, put down the idea without really understanding it (assumption I Know) Common Law and the treasonous government means we do not have to pay their taxes, obey and consent to their traffic laws, their legal system, their monetary system, and their whole fraudulent, deceptive and evil game. We urge you to keep reading with an open mind. This is true and our right!

[apekteina lordosis]

mmm, lets then just sit in front of the TV and do nothing. apekteina lordosis, you dismiss the concept out of hand, put down the idea without really understanding it (assumption I Know) Common Law and the treasonous government means we do not have to pay their taxes, obey and consent to their traffic laws, their legal system, their monetary system, and their whole fraudulent, deceptive and evil game. We urge you to keep reading with an open mind. This is true and our right!

sorry, perhaps i should have made it clearer...

i am not going to spend a substantial amount of my time over at least two years studying and then applying to get "freeman of the land" status. maritime law shouldn't be "the way" in the first place and going for freeman status implies the presence of maritime law having validity for some (well most) people. aka fuck all manmade artifical laws, i know right from wrong and most people who don't have become that way due to the effect of manmade laws snowballing over many generations.

[dondaz]

I remember whinging about the AntiTerrorist and could he be a distraction, that was at the begining of the year, good job I hung in there because it has done me well!

How bad do you want to be free from tyranny? It's up to you to wise up and stand on your own two feet. So what if it takes a bit of time to learn. Once you know you know and they can never take it away from you again.

[apekteina lordosis]

okay fair enough, i don't want to put other people off making their choices, personally it is not for me as i believe there are easier ways to regain "freedom".

and apols to all youse freemanheads, i'm sure you're not anoraks, i just think you're pruning rather than pulling the roots out. :)

[tom bombadil]

Hi apekteina lordosis. The freeman thing (to me) is a way of getting away from an ever increasing system of punishment for doing what does come naturaly.

I disagree with the first part of the quote below..
"laws" only exist to keep the system of money and organised religions ticking along. a primate in the jungle doesn't pay rent for the tree he lives in. a lioness doesn't give tesco 20quid every time she eats a gazelle. human beings have lived on this planet for near on a million years and for most of that time there were no laws and if a human being did something that was considered "wrong" by the other human beings they lived with, well something "wrong" would happen to the naughty one.
Laws are there naturaly from the go get, but as we learned to comprehend right from wrong (in our own eyes) then we began to quantify them. Thats where it began. At home, in the home of the parents (imho).

As for the lioness....well everyone knows that mums shop at iceland :D (couldnt resist)

To me this is a way of telling the powers that be that we are taking over again.

Dont get me wrong. I think that I wont mind giving power over to a representitive to control the nitty gritty of my every day life, but now, being more in control, I will be able to see wheather they are doing their jobs propaly rather than if I got involved now, in the system that we have now, it wont be that I cant understand the 'rules', its that some of the rules are bent but are still adhered to. The system today is corrupt.


Tom.

[dondaz]

okay fair enough, i don't want to put other people off making their choices, personally it is not for me as i believe there are easier ways to regain "freedom".

and apols to all youse freemanheads, i'm sure you're not anoraks, i just think you're pruning rather than pulling the roots out.

Interesting analogy. What are these easier ways to regain freedom? I bet it involves the truth!:)

[grenadene]

If you think you're free... you are free :)

Even if imprisoned you'd be thinking as a free soul who was temporarily inconvenienced.

I remember thinking as a kid... 'this whole world had gone a bit mad before I arrived - I'm having no part of it thank you very much!' As long as you aren't making a nuisance of yourselves we shouldn't have anything to fear from the 'authorities'. If you're feeling tenacious and studious enough then why not learn from the same 'laws' that the ptb know so well. If the laws (and I don't mean petty legislation here) weren't weighty then they wouldn't make such efforts to word everything so carefully.

But I think that's the key here... they may be just words, but it's so easy to doubt one's intellect when bamboozled with lengthy sentences. This kind of stuff isn't taught in schools for a reason.. they don't want us to know how utterly simple it is once you know how to play the game. How can even the most decent human being be morally bound to tomes of legislation he doesn't understand and has never been taught?

I haven't had to deal with a police officer since I started reading up about this Freeman (or woman in my case) on the land stuff...and I'm actually quite excited... should I get all wreckless and perhaps leave my fog lights on? :D

[grenadene]

okay fair enough, i don't want to put other people off making their choices, personally it is not for me as i believe there are easier ways to regain "freedom".

and apols to all youse freemanheads, i'm sure you're not anoraks, i just think you're pruning rather than pulling the roots out. :)


I suppose any groups that form a society would have basic agreements about infringing on other peoples lives. Stealing their oxen, cutting their wives heads off...yanno that kind of thing. Modern man has been capable of intelligent reasoning for many thousands of years. Those guilty of the bad kind of stuff would likely get you rounded up by the tribes people for a stern talking too?

So you can't really say that all laws are manufactured weapons of social control. Once weird spooky groups get together and 'start shouting we're all going to do it our way' the sheeplike benign souls (that happy humans generally are) all lift up their heads, stop chewing and unanimously say 'OK! happy to oblige'

By gaining and understanding of our fundamental basic common laws (before they were tarted up by corrupt governments) you see they core structure of human society, a bit like the 10 commandments? these laws still stand, as who the hell would have the power to change them...in real terms? Its all about just getting on with being a decent human being and having a wonderful life I suppose :)

[apekteina lordosis]

Interesting analogy. What are these easier ways to regain freedom? I bet it involves the truth!:)

well pruning serves a purpose it allows things to flourish, and the direction that takes is in the hands of those holding the snippers. my believe is that the fundamental restriction on most of us is "money". now without it we probably wouldn't have seen the advancements in science, medicine and technology that we have, some of them positive, some of them negative. but those fields are nearing a plateau where the only place left to go is to travel the universe. however when we can't seem to get it together to ensure everyone on this planet has a roof over their head, food in their belly and medical care when they need it, it seems pointless to use the way things are on earth as a foundation for exploring "space". so we need to fundamentally change the way of things on this rock.

the analogy of pruning "vs" pulling the root out can be seen as the former being the peaceful and rational option and the latter being the short, sharp shock. it's probably useful for us bods on this scene to be approaching the battle to stop the erosion of our civil liberties from every direction, but snippers are snippers and tuggers are tuggers.

so i would suggest to people that if you wanna be a snipper, that's great, but don't get involved in tugging, and vice versa. as for the "truth", well that's a word that sounds a little like "tooth". but that's all i'll say cos "disclosure" would do far more harm than good.

[apekteina lordosis]

I suppose any groups that form a society would have basic agreements about infringing on other peoples lives. Stealing their oxen, cutting their wives heads off...yanno that kind of thing. Modern man has been capable of intelligent reasoning for many thousands of years. Those guilty of the bad kind of stuff would likely get you rounded up by the tribes people for a stern talking too?

So you can't really say that all laws are manufactured weapons of social control. Once weird spooky groups get together and 'start shouting we're all going to do it our way' the sheeplike benign souls (that happy humans generally are) all lift up their heads, stop chewing and unanimously say 'OK! happy to oblige'

By gaining and understanding of our fundamental basic common laws (before they were tarted up by corrupt governments) you see they core structure of human society, a bit like the 10 commandments? these laws still stand, as who the hell would have the power to change them...in real terms? Its all about just getting on with being a decent human being and having a wonderful life I suppose :)

aye i agree somewhat. fundamentally speaking i think everyone on this planet has a right to a roof over their head, food in their belly and medical care when needed. what stops that from happening is "money". it's so ingrained into our heads people can't comprehend that it doesn't have to be this way. why can't everyone who is capable of contributing mental and/or physical effort work together to ensure those "fundamentals" are achieved and maintained? so i think the only laws we need would be those that formed a structure that allowed those fundamentals to flourish.

i don't believe in "good" or "bad", people are just the way they are, shaped by the formative experiences of their childhood and the ongoing experiences of being an adult. of course adults play a major part in the formative experiences of their children and of other adults kids, but rather than that "process" being an orbit, it's turned into an ever growing snowball rolling downwards and it's picking up pace.

we can't have profound change tomorrow, next month or probably the next decade, it would result in utter carnage. too many people are comfortable "thanks" to money, and the way they reached that state was by being brutal and vicious aka they ain't gonna let go, and they'll do anything to maintain.
however if a goal was set to usher in true equality sans money, say in 50years time, there's a decent chance of achieving it. plenty of time to plan, plenty of time to educate future generations. and all those who are money rich in the now and few decades future can die naturally knowing the book of history will have them down as heroes, quite an epitaph.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/docudrama/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/dollar-sign-3.thumbnail.jpg

[bones]

yes! spend near on a day reading all the threads and watching all the vids then read the books and go on to spend several years becoming a freeman.

fuck "common law" and fuck "admiralty/maritime law". geez what a bunch of wet fish some of you have turned out to be. hey yeah! let's make a complicated situation that many people are unable to comprehend even more incomprehensible. by championing "common law" you are validating "maritime law", in fact the concept that we need "laws" all together.

"laws" only exist to keep the system of money and organised religions ticking along. a primate in the jungle doesn't pay rent for the tree he lives in. a lioness doesn't give tesco 20quid every time she eats a gazelle. human beings have lived on this planet for near on a million years and for most of that time there were no laws and if a human being did something that was considered "wrong" by the other human beings they lived with, well something "wrong" would happen to the naughty one. it's not rocket science you know. everyone has a right to shelter, warmth, food and medicine. to quote someone else- "why do we have to pay to live on this planet?".

i dunno maybe some of ya get some sort of obscure buzz by thinking you have an upper hand over the rozzers, yet if you returned home and found you'd been burgled they'd be the first people you'd call. ditto if you got mugged or your partner was kidnapped.

doing the freeman thingy ain't gonna stop the erosion of our civil liberties. bringing a halt to that requires the mass of the great unwashed behind it,
and just as they ain't gonna be turned on by talk of shape-shifting reptilians, they aren't going to be thrilled with the prospect of several years of studying up on common law.


how indoctronated and small minded you are.

[realitycheck]

I cant help thinking that some of this control that people think they are under comes from inside there mind and not outside events.
I live in the uk and i dont feel controlled. Im quite glad there are policeman around, just in case some moron feels like taking a swing at me or nicking my car or EVEN selling shitty drugs on my street - because i wouldnt want my kids around people like that.
Seems like alot of people on here are druggys who are friggin paranoid. Ive lived in the uk for 30 odd years and have had a very varied life and not once have i felt the need to cross the boundaries and get arrested. Ive partyed, gone on holidays, worked away, been in the forces, had relationships etc etc - so its not because im a hermit.
The uk is a great place -IF YOU ARENT PARANOID!

[boots]

The uk is a great place -IF YOU ARENT PARANOID!

Just because you ain't paranoid, doen't mean there not out to get you.:p


.

[boots]

yes! spend near on a day reading all the threads and watching all the vids then read the books and go on to spend several years becoming a freeman.

fuck "common law" and fuck "admiralty/maritime law". geez what a bunch of wet fish some of you have turned out to be. hey yeah! let's make a complicated situation that many people are unable to comprehend even more incomprehensible. by championing "common law" you are validating "maritime law", in fact the concept that we need "laws" all together.

"laws" only exist to keep the system of money and organised religions ticking along. a primate in the jungle doesn't pay rent for the tree he lives in. a lioness doesn't give tesco 20quid every time she eats a gazelle. human beings have lived on this planet for near on a million years and for most of that time there were no laws and if a human being did something that was considered "wrong" by the other human beings they lived with, well something "wrong" would happen to the naughty one. it's not rocket science you know. everyone has a right to shelter, warmth, food and medicine. to quote someone else- "why do we have to pay to live on this planet?".

i dunno maybe some of ya get some sort of obscure buzz by thinking you have an upper hand over the rozzers, yet if you returned home and found you'd been burgled they'd be the first people you'd call. ditto if you got mugged or your partner was kidnapped.

doing the freeman thingy ain't gonna stop the erosion of our civil liberties. bringing a halt to that requires the mass of the great unwashed behind it,
and just as they ain't gonna be turned on by talk of shape-shifting reptilians, they aren't going to be thrilled with the prospect of several years of studying up on common law.


Your just gutless.:p

It's takes a month to notify the authorities that you are a Freeman. fuck thats hard.

The one thing that stops a lot of people is their mind set and presuming that you are not a slave you are a creditor not a debtor.

It's takes guts to start questioning the authorities.

There are key words and forms of questioning that you use. It does not take years of learning common law thats because you were reading Bullshit posts by ppl who could not change there mind set and operate in fear that the judges and lawyers are more powerful.

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[itsallundercontrol]

I cant help thinking that some of this control that people think they are under comes from inside there mind and not outside events.
I live in the uk and i dont feel controlled. Im quite glad there are policeman around, just in case some moron feels like taking a swing at me or nicking my car or EVEN selling shitty drugs on my street - because i wouldnt want my kids around people like that.
Seems like alot of people on here are druggys who are friggin paranoid. Ive lived in the uk for 30 odd years and have had a very varied life and not once have i felt the need to cross the boundaries and get arrested. Ive partyed, gone on holidays, worked away, been in the forces, had relationships etc etc - so its not because im a hermit.
The uk is a great place -IF YOU ARENT PARANOID!

sounds like its all good then mate!

[yozhik]

Why do you think there are "laws" :D governing (restricting/limiting) gun ownership?

It has NOTHING to do with safety of citizen A versus citizen B.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the future event, when citizen A and citizen B realise that they aren't actually "citizens" and remember they are men ... and then use aforementioned guns to overthrow/eject/revolt against the corrupt ptb!

they know the numbers are against them ... they need the guns to try and establish some level of "equality".


IF what they did was so lawful and righteous and moral ... why do they need guns?
IF they are rational adults using logic and acting for the common good ... why do they need to threaten with force and punishment?

Interesting fact ...
Since the establishment of the terrorist "laws" in the u s of A ... very few men have actually been charged under this law.
The majority of those that have been charged and convicted have been found guilty of "paper terrorism", which is the crime of being anti-Government and a nuisance.

Madison - A Town of Fredonia man whom authorities have termed a "paper terrorist" was sentenced Friday to five years in prison for blitzing about three dozen Ozaukee County officials with thousands of bogus legal documents.

The case produced the first prison sentence to result from a special anti-terrorism Domestic Security Unit created by then-Attorney General Jim Doyle after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

Charles K. Bailey, an anti-government extremist with links to the "sovereign citizen" movement, was sentenced on June 10, 2003 to ten years in prison following his conviction in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, Common Pleas Court on an array of charges related to a paper terrorism scam.

Origins: Çirca 1970; fully developed by early 1980s
Ideology: Anti-government, some white supremacist elements
Outreach: Vigilante courts, seminars, shortwave radio, the Internet, "schools of common law"
Notable Episodes: 1996 Montana Freeman standoff; 1997 Republic of Texas standoff Tactics "Paper terrorism," including frivolous lawsuits, frivolous liens, fictitious financial instruments, fictitious automobile-related documents, and misuse of genuine documents such as IRS forms; various frauds and scams
Hot Tactic: "Redemption" (see below)

... and this is what over 3,000 people died for on 9/11 ??
So that terrorism "acts" could be shuffled in, to protect us all from ... (gasp) ... paper terrorists???

"get back you nasty police man or I'll attack you with this piece of A4 paper and inflict a paper cut so heinous, as to bring tears to your eyes, just moments before you blow my head off with your gun ... "

:D

The "sovereign citizen" movement is a loosely organized collection of groups and individuals who have adopted a right-wing anarchist ideology originating in the theories of a group called the Posse Comitatus in the 1970s. Its adherents believe that virtually all existing government in the United States is illegitimate and they seek to "restore" an idealized, minimalist government that never actually existed. To this end, sovereign citizens wage war against the government and other forms of authority using "paper terrorism" harassment and intimidation tactics, and occasionally resorting to violence.

... ummmmmmm ... wage war?? terrorism?? violence??

:confused: ... the level of disinformation is reaching epic proportions :confused:

[zarah]

I've only had a skim over the website, but from what I can see its principle is fundamentally wrong. Statutes or Acts of Parliament take precedence over Common Law or judge - made law. It talks about not having to pay parking tickets, which is partly true - The Road Traffic Act 1991, under which we're issued parking tickets by the local councils, is enforeceable under Criminal Law. Parking on private property is enterign into a contract, of which is is implied that a breach occurs, which is why we're issued with tickets by a third party company. These are the ones which we don't have to pay as all they result in is a claim via the small claims court.

[yozhik]

The Road Traffic Act 1991, under which we're issued parking tickets by the local councils, is enforeceable under Criminal Law. Parking on private property is enterign into a contract, of which is is implied that a breach occurs, which is why we're issued with tickets by a third party company. These are the ones which we don't have to pay as all they result in is a claim via the small claims court.

ummmmmmm ... sorry, what?

I'm a man ... not an entity.
Could you please communicate in English, not Legalese?
That is not a language I know, nor is one I acknowledge. :)

Sounds all a bit like commerce to me ... and last time I looked, commerce was under the jurisdiction of Admiralty/Maritime Law ... so, I guess that isn't my law, because I am a man on land. Never have had my "sea legs" ...

:)

... but if Parking on private property is enterign into a contract
... then there would be no issue for the claimant to provide the original of this contract, signed by both parties? ... would there?
... how can a claim (ticket) be issued by a third party; this label in itself says that it is a party outside of the contract you claim exists. So in this case, please also provide proof of claim that a contract exists between the man and the third party claimant.
... and if we're talking about "private property" when dealing with a parking ticket; which "private property" would this be? Who is the private owner of this private property?

I'm a little confused by your words ... you will have to translate for me.

:)

[realitycheck]

sounds like its all good then mate!

Nope! Ive had my ups and downs but thats what lifes all about isnt it? No highs without lows.
Just dont see the control that people talk about on here.

[zarah]

ummmmmmm ... sorry, what?
... but if
... then there would be no issue for the claimant to provide the original of this contract, signed by both parties? ... would there?
... how can a claim (ticket) be issued by a third party; this label in itself says that it is a party outside of the contract you claim exists. So in this case, please also provide proof of claim that a contract exists between the man and the third party claimant.
... and if we're talking about "private property" when dealing with a parking ticket; which "private property" would this be? Who is the private owner of this private property?

I'm a little confused by your words ... you will have to translate for me.



:)

The only time a written contract has to be involved is in some aspects of employment and in land transfer..everything else can be verbal or implied. So for example, if you drive into Tesco's car park (land owned by Tesco who are the private owners) and park your car, in common law you've entered into a contract with Tesco. They have a car park which they offer spaces in, you park your car, so accept their offer and in turn have to follow their conditions, which are something like only park in allocated bays and for a limited time etc. If you breach the contract by overstaying on the time limit or parking where you shouldn't, they can authorise a third party (the parking enforcement company) to collect reparations or damages on their behalf for the fact that you breached the contract.

I didn't mean it to sound all legalese, I was just trying to show that although common law and parliamentary law are two different entities, one has greater importance than the other, so the premise for the website doesn't really make sense.

[itsallundercontrol]

Nope! Ive had my ups and downs but thats what lifes all about isnt it? No highs without lows.
Just dont see the control that people talk about on here.

unfortunately i think a lot of the freedoms we have taken for granted are being eroded and taken away from us at an alarming rate

I know what you mean though England can and has been a good place to live compared to a lot of countries in the world as long as you stay inside the box of what is "normal" and "decent behaviour".Maybe you have been lucky but myself and im sure lots of other people have ran into problems as soon as they try to live outside of this box.

I was born a human being and at no point did i agree to be number in this crazy system and as such sometimes come up agaisnt great systems of control designed to "put me back in my place"

I respect your opinion though.....however suggesting that people who think otherwise are paranoid druggies is probably not the way to go if you seriously want to debate on this subject

peace

[realitycheck]

unfortunately i think a lot of the freedoms we have taken for granted are being eroded and taken away from us at an alarming rate

I know what you mean though England can and has been a good place to live compared to a lot of countries in the world as long as you stay inside the box of what is "normal" and "decent behaviour".Maybe you have been lucky but myself and im sure lots of other people have ran into problems as soon as they try to live outside of this box.

I was born a human being and at no point did i agree to be number in this crazy system and as such sometimes come up agaisnt great systems of control designed to "put me back in my place"

I respect your opinion though.....however suggesting that people who think otherwise are paranoid druggies is probably not the way to go if you seriously want to debate on this subject

peace


Sorry didnt mean to be rude, meant it kinda toungue in cheek, shudda put a :) or a :p there.
Im all for everyone being able to say and do exactually what they want, i just dont think its possible in practice so there has to be rules that we arent all happy with.
I dont feel like im in a box. What kind of stuff do you mean when you say outside of the box???!!! lol.

[grenadene]

There is a difference between a police force that are responding to incidents and a politically motivated pack of plods who are busily checking we are all behaving ourselves whilst carrying the appropriate documentation. As far as I see it, if you aren't displeasing those around you there is no issue full stop.

We live in a society where a bank is perfectly entitled to charge you 3 times the value of your home just in interest! Yet I could be arrested and possibly jailed for leaving the house with no clothes on! Yes I appreciate this is an optional contract but having somewhere to live isn't really a luxury. We who joined the game later by accident of birth and see through this façade of freedom should not have to be herded like cattle or taxed to death. I personally don't think human beings can be born as property of the state.

[boots]

Yes I do agree. It seems to be a form of escapism - but I ain't finished my considerations yet by a ong way.



What! because you can't escape from the established indoctrination.:rolleyes:

Get in to it and change your mind set.



.

[poohkits]

Common Law & Commercial Law

Police, Councils, Banks and Government agencies etc are actually committing fraud against us with every Statute, Act, Order and Notice they use...Fact! Find out why & arm youself with the knowledge that gives you freedom!

http://www.thetruthwillout.com/common_law.html

The UK Constitutional Conference 29th January 2009

24th JANUARY in STOKE 2009

Hi Everyone,

The final details for the rally/conference in support of our constitution and common law, being organised by Roger Hayes, are as follows;-

DATE 24th January 2009

VENUE Kings Hall, Glebe Street, Stoke-on-Trent
TIME 11.00 am until 5.00 pm

BOOKINGS Only 1000 places available so early booking is essential.

Tel; (01752) 312743 10.00 am - 2.00 pm Monday-Friday or 0781 352 9383

EMAIL Email reservations may be made via;-

www.thebcgroup.org.uk

roger@thebcgroup.org.uk

FEE £12.50 per head. Payment by cheques or credit/debit cards

CHEQUES Payable to;-

The British Constitution Group
Unit 20, Argyle Estate
Argyle Street South
Birkenhead
Wirral
CH41 9HH

SPEAKERS
JOHN BINGLEY
DAVID BOURNE
ALBERT BURGESS
BRIAN GERRISH
JOHN HARRIS

This is very much an event for activists from across the ‘democratic resistance’. A part of the proceedings will be devoted to what we can do practically to organise against this sombre background of an ever deepening crisis in our democracy, government and economy. Bookings are already coming in so act early!

[the itinerant shrubber]

yes! spend near on a day reading all the threads and watching all the vids then read the books and go on to spend several years becoming a freeman.

fuck "common law" and fuck "admiralty/maritime law". geez what a bunch of wet fish some of you have turned out to be. hey yeah! let's make a complicated situation that many people are unable to comprehend even more incomprehensible. by championing "common law" you are validating "maritime law", in fact the concept that we need "laws" all together.

"laws" only exist to keep the system of money and organised religions ticking along. a primate in the jungle doesn't pay rent for the tree he lives in. a lioness doesn't give tesco 20quid every time she eats a gazelle. human beings have lived on this planet for near on a million years and for most of that time there were no laws and if a human being did something that was considered "wrong" by the other human beings they lived with, well something "wrong" would happen to the naughty one. it's not rocket science you know. everyone has a right to shelter, warmth, food and medicine. to quote someone else- "why do we have to pay to live on this planet?".

i dunno maybe some of ya get some sort of obscure buzz by thinking you have an upper hand over the rozzers, yet if you returned home and found you'd been burgled they'd be the first people you'd call. ditto if you got mugged or your partner was kidnapped.

doing the freeman thingy ain't gonna stop the erosion of our civil liberties. bringing a halt to that requires the mass of the great unwashed behind it,
and just as they ain't gonna be turned on by talk of shape-shifting reptilians, they aren't going to be thrilled with the prospect of several years of studying up on common law.

I agree. From what I have read,these freemen have still had their cars searched and vehicles taken away. Being a freeman still isnt going to stop them breaking down your door in the end. It's important to know your rights so that the police dont try and fuck you over but the freeman of the land concept will be a mere paper tiger when it comes to the crunch.
I dont need the Magna Carta or a letter to the queen to rebel. I shall rebel,lawfully or not.
Laws are for those that cant live without them. Thats why sport-or rather games-is so popular. Rule following has become so bred into us now that we still need rules,even in our leisure time.

[apekteina lordosis]

how indoctronated and small minded you are.

what like you who hasn't even bothered to read the other posts i've made in this thread.

[pauldonz]

sorry, perhaps i should have made it clearer...

i am not going to spend a substantial amount of my time over at least two years studying and then applying to get "freeman of the land" status. maritime law shouldn't be "the way" in the first place and going for freeman status implies the presence of maritime law having validity for some (well most) people. aka fuck all manmade artifical laws, i know right from wrong and most people who don't have become that way due to the effect of manmade laws snowballing over many generations.

can i just say that no one applies to b a freeman, u tell them u are!
apply or application means to beg and the assumption is that he who begs knows exactly what they are begging for.

we all think we know the english language and what words mean but when u start to look at the origins of words its frightening how much we dont

for example: registration is from the latin regis rex, meaning for the crown, in maritime it means to hand over for safe keeping ( until returned for and reclaimed ), as a ships captain would do to the habour master when moored in the harbour.
there's many many many many more.

[bones]

what like you who hasn't even bothered to read the other posts i've made in this thread.

ive read enough to immediatly label you ....:rolleyes:

[matsuura]

Read them, am currently reading Roberts Menards e-book, fantasic and enlightening stuff, still a long way to go before I go for Free Man On The Land and understand it all, but I've started.

Sorry to be off topic, but which e-book is that and where can I locate a copy?