I am a Freeman-on-the-Land. How May I help?

[rob menard]

HI! Robert-Arthur of the Menard family here. I am a Freeman-on-the-Land, amazing cook (I invented soup), awesome comedian (Before me there were no punchlines. I was like "There's something missing..."), and uniquely humble considering how amazing I truly am.

Been reading some posts here and decided to join and offer any assistance I can to those who are examining the Freeman concept and have questions regarding the process or outcome.

I will answer the questions I can as I can and reserve the right to disregard the posts of trolls or those clearly seeking conflict or confrontation.

Peace eh?
Rob

[griswald]

So I am going to play devils advocate here.

The concept sounds too good to be true....can it reallly be true.

If it is true , how come we have never heard of it before , and why has it been such a well kept secret as it is. Or are you so smart ( no offense meant ) that you are one of the few that has cracked it.

And if it is such a hard thing to figure out, are we going to be too afraid to step outside the box.

Do all countries that have their law system based on englands common law, have a right to claim "freeman status".


By the way, welcome

griswald

[rob menard]

So I am going to play devils advocate here.

The concept sounds too good to be true....can it reallly be true.

If it is true , how come we have never heard of it before , and why has it been such a well kept secret as it is. Or are you so smart ( no offense meant ) that you are one of the few that has cracked it.

And if it is such a hard thing to figure out, are we going to be too afraid to step outside the box.

Do all countries that have their law system based on englands common law, have a right to claim "freeman status".


By the way, welcome

griswald

Yes it is true. You are magic stardust made incarnate and you are equal with others and no one has some divine right or ability to govern, control, limit, judge or deny you your divine nature and blessings.

Why is it such a well kept secret? It isn't. It is right there in front of you, has been the whole time, but human greed, laziness and fear caused you to never even look. Look at how many people get their Drivers Permits and NEVER read the Act under which they applied. I read. You did not. It is not hidden at all. You were greedy for the benefits, too lazy to study what you were doing, and too fearful of peer pressure. We all were. It is how all deceptions work and they never do once you address even one of those aspects.

I do not know about the specific statutes of all countries and ask you distinguish between the statutes of a country (Policy of a corporation) and the Law of the Earth. In my view, the globe belongs to God, and if we accept we are all the blessed children, the lines the corporations have made on their maps start to disappear.

Thank you for the welcome.


Rob

PS- If it does not have peas, it is not a chicken pot pie.

[clozaril]

:)

is this THE rob menard

welcome !

[rob menard]

I cannot deny others who use the same name, so I would say I am 'a' Robert-Arthur of the Menard family.

I am the good looking, funny, hat wearing, loudmouth whistle blower you see online.

:D
Rob

[griswald]

Isn,t fear of stepping outside the box, enough to keep us locked into the system.

And are there many that you know that have had the leap of faith, and gone for it. Apart from you and Charlie Sprinkle and a couple more, I dont know any.

griswald

[rob menard]

Any type of fear will suffice. It is the effect it has on ones ability to properly perceive and deduce remedy that makes it effective. Often causes freezing or inappropriate responses. Either works if you are seeking to control.

Thousands have served their NUI and COR here in Canada. Wonder why it doesn't make the news.

I know of about 20 who have done so successfully and using a NUI and COR establish lawful excuse to disobey the government and courts. Have not met all of them of course, one guy of some renown here is Jackie Harper. Cops told him he has achieved essentially diplomatic immunity.

They tricked you into acting like children then used your actions to justify their governance. When you see it, and you will, you will see it is very clever. Self perpetuating (almost), defended religiously by the deceived, and the remedy and truth often automatically rejected by those who would benefit most from it.

If you can't accept you were deceived you will never find the truth that will set you free. If you can't accept responsibility for having been deceived, you will never find your power. If you can't then forgive those who deceived you, you will never be able to use your power.

Rob

PS- The only thing that makes an attractive woman HOT, is a warm heart.

[thetonic]

Good day Rob! Welcome to the forums...

I have been a member over at thinkfree forums for a while and enjoy your input whenever I come across it.

Thank you for making the freeman concept and information so widely available to the people that desperately need it and are ready for it....

Im thinking about asking for one of the Freeman packages for x-mas:D...

Cheers!

[griswald]

If you can't accept you were deceived you will never find the truth that will set you free. If you can't accept responsibility for having been deceived, you will never find your power. If you can't then forgive those who deceived you, you will never be able to use your power.

Rob

PS- The only thing that makes an attractive woman HOT, is a warm heart.


I am under no illusion that we are not all deceived constantly, but its about getting past the anger and frustration of it, and then channeling that into something positive to change it.

As a complete novice in the freeman concept, I have a lot of study to do on the subject, and now that I know where to look for info, its just a question of making time for it, which I will.

How long have you been involved on your research into it.

griswald

[thorleyart]

rob menard

What is the freeman concept?

Can you give the uninitiated an overview?

Much appreciated :)

[rob menard]

Well said.
I would suggest you start by training your brain, and study some LSAT's until you have increased your word comprehension, logical analysis and analytical reasoning skills. Think of it like sudoku cross words. Have fun.

Take breaks from that by standing barefoot on the earth and feeling the sun on your face. If you are in the UK you may have to settle for rain and imagine the sun. It is a big ball of fire in the sky. :D Feel that YOU are the missing link and the only one between the sun and the earth.

I started reading about this almost eight years ago. Probably close to 25K hours or so doing research, advocacy, activism, movie making, etc.

Rob

PS- A one armed proctologist will inevitably do a half assed job.

[phaid]

Hi Rob, haven't got a lot of time to stop and chat now but just wanted to say how much I enjoy your videos, talks and stand-up routines, and admire the way you've extracted your ass from the system and encouraged others to follow suit.
;)

[boots]

G'day, Rob or the family Menard.:) Welcome to the forum and thanks for taking the time to come and chat with us.

Now I know that all countries have slightly different terminology regarding bonds, in Australia they call it an off Set account. I guess you have used it so how did it go for you? What was the process you went through and how did you set it up?


boots.

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[thetonic]

May I suggest a new sub-forum on davidicke.com be created to deal with Freeman-on-the-land concepts and any other peaceful approaches/solutions to overcoming the various forms of government deception we see in the world today?..

Just a thought;)

[gu3rr1lla]

Hey Rob, watched some of your videos, they are amazing but im still confused. See i live in the republic of ireland and wondering what you've said in those videos apply to my country or is there different routes for us?

[thorleyart]

May I suggest a new sub-forum on davidicke.com be created to deal with Freeman-on-the-land concepts and any other peaceful approaches/solutions to overcoming the various forms of government deception we see in the world today?..

Just a thought;)

#i think thats a good thoght, well done to your brain!

[gu3rr1lla]

#i think thats a good thoght, well done to your brain!

I second that :)

[thorleyart]

May I suggest a new sub-forum on davidicke.com be created to deal with Freeman-on-the-land concepts and any other peaceful approaches/solutions to overcoming the various forms of government deception we see in the world today?..

Just a thought;)

It should be near the top of the list too

[i_am]

May I suggest a new sub-forum on davidicke.com be created to deal with Freeman-on-the-land concepts and any other peaceful approaches/solutions to overcoming the various forms of government deception we see in the world today?..

Just a thought;)

You know, I was just thinking the same thing.

I will bring it up to admin and mods

[rob menard]

rob menard

What is the freeman concept?

Can you give the uninitiated an overview?

Much appreciated :)

A short recap is here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB332QYx6YI

The basic principle is that you cannot be governed without your consent. That consent can be achieved directly, or the appearance of it if there is indication by your action of acceptance. The appearance of consent is often sufficient for them to claim authority.

There is remedy available and always has been and always will be. It is The Law.

In Canada anyway, and apparently in NZ and Australia, the remedy is clearly available if you look past the incredibly unclear package they have put it in.

Imagine a puzzle with a thousand pieces. Now take each piece and put it them in a thousand different other puzzles. Now imagine you have to solve the "Unknown Puzzle" by solving all the others and then using the left over pieces assemble a final puzzle.

When you finish the final puzzle, it will read in big fat font "What are you doing wasting your time solving these puzzles???"

It is about having power over your reality.
In a way that not only does not harm others, but raises them up.
It is about responsibility and compassion and the peacefully abundant communities that naturally results from them.
It is about saying NO to corporations taking over the resources, people and governments of our countries.
It is about doing so peacefully, lawfully, effectively and without anger or the emotions that in the end really only drain.

For lack of a better way to see it, it is about the Kingdom of God manifesting in your lifetime, before your eyes, resulting in peace and abundance beyond measure, and dignity for all.

Rob

PS- Cooking bacon naked is not wise. Someone will always run up and tell the bus driver.

[helpus]

i hope this isn't member named "1694" bullshiting folks

[yozhik]

No ... impossible ... this poster has made about 5 posts without mentioning legal personality, nor a dolphin being a person, nor a dog killing you, nor a tree falling on a child, nor being sued by a 16 week old foetus ... so there is no way its 1694 :D

[rob menard]

I LOVE TESTS!
I propose Internet Thumb Wrestling.
Maybe psychic Rock/Paper/Scissors.

Rob

PS- Never date a woman who has visiting hours and can't bake. They are always trouble.

[yozhik]

welcome Rob ... great to have you here with us :)

[grenadene]

Hello Rob :)

How lovely of you to join us . I find your vids fascinating, so I'll be keeping an eye out for for the new freeman on the land section we are bound to be getting really soon ;)

[airkraft]

Welcome Rob of the family Menard.

One question I would like to ask is, what is the attitude and actions of the "authorities" towards you, regarding the spreading of the information about freeman status.?

I know that certain people where I live would make people causing trouble (which I suppose is how they would see what you are doing) even in a none violent way, have a very hard time upto and including beatings by police officers after being arrested.

This in itself would scare quite a few people away from this avenue of research, for fear af lots of trouble.

[grenadene]

i hope this isn't member named "1694" bullshiting folks

No way! 1694 is far too serious :D

[yozhik]

Its taken a little bit of emotional blackmail and friendly arm twisting ... but I've finally got may wife interested AND asking questions about "this Freeman thing" ... :D

... there's no stopping us now ...

(just wanted to share that little piece of info ...)

[helpus]

yozhik.. funny post man thnx :)

Rob,

so are you going to create an a-z how to guide?... or are you going to keep freeman status as equally hard to achieve as the powers that be do?

it's all there in front of you, just do the homework...
yeah but that's bollocks, this is heavy stuff.

[boots]

No ... impossible ... this poster has made about 5 posts without mentioning legal personality, nor a dolphin being a person, nor a dog killing you, nor a tree falling on a child, nor being sued by a 16 week old foetus ... so there is no way its 1694 :D

:D


Plus. He is funny:)


PS- Never date a woman who has visiting hours and can't bake. They are always trouble.


I like that one.


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[rob menard]

If a dolphin did somehow grow apendages allowing it land based bipedal mobility and then a tree fell on it crushing those extremities... wait. I am defeating the porpoise.

Someone would actually pretend to be me? Wow do they need a life.

Rob

PS - Sneaking up and screaming at blind people is no way to make your mark in life.

[helpus]

this is bullshit... something along the lines of that i'm an illuminati insider famous thread

[danster82]

I started reading about this almost eight years ago. Probably close to 25K hours or so doing research

This is the problem though Rob, it seems people can only be free if they do 25k hours of research into law and understand all the different acts and statutes.

So this freedom then becomes conditional which is counter intuitive to the whole idea of freedom. Im not trying to argue against the movement I think its great simply for the fact it reminds people of their forgotten sovereignty its just not very effective for the "multitudes" to apply.

Thanks for all the information and videos you have given us.

[yozhik]

this is bullshit

even if it is ... its some light relief :)

[yozhik]

This is the problem though Rob, it seems people can only be free if they do 25k hours of research into law and understand all the different acts and statutes.

So this freedom then becomes conditional which is counter intuitive to the whole idea of freedom. Im not trying to argue against the movement I think its great simply for the fact it reminds people of their forgotten sovereignty its just not very effective for the "multitudes" to apply.

IMHO that's more a testimony to the incredible web of deception that has been weaved over a great many years; more than it is an ineffectiveness of the Freeman movement.

You have to remember ... tptb have had a huge head start on most of us ... and we allowed them that.
We were the ones sleeping at the wheel.
Weren't we supposed to be the sovereigns?
Aren't we meant to be adults?
So how did we allow the inmates to take control of the asylum?

Don't get me wrong ... I'm not into "blame"; but I am a HUGE exponent of "taking responsibility" ... and if this is a hard task now - its only because we got too comfortable in our warm beds of apathy ...

[helpus]

yozhik,

you would do better, rather than argue with yourself, to express yourself fully with the knowledge you claim to know.

i'm starting to think yozhik, 1694 and rob are one

[friendsinthesky]

Hi Rob

I did see a video (perhaps you) that opened by telling us a story of you trying to order chips with gravy on the side. Anyway, it left me in tears and my pants soaked in urine.

..very funny.

[yozhik]

yozhik,

you would do better, rather than argue with yourself, to express yourself fully with the knowledge you claim to know.

i'm starting to think yozhik, 1694 and rob are one


Ummmm ... ok ... :confused: ... whatever you say :rolleyes:

[danster82]

IMHO that's more a testimony to the incredible web of deception that has been weaved over a great many years; more than it is an ineffectiveness of the Freeman movement.

You have to remember ... tptb have had a huge head start on most of us ... and we allowed them that.
We were the ones sleeping at the wheel.
Weren't we supposed to be the sovereigns?
Aren't we meant to be adults?
So how did we allow the inmates to take control of the asylum?

Don't get me wrong ... I'm not into "blame"; but I am a HUGE exponent of "taking responsibility" ... and if this is a hard task now - its only because we got too comfortable in our warm beds of apathy ...

I just think if you took one simple act out in the streets and asked people to read it Id guess about 80% would have no idea what it means to them after reading it. so even the fact that they havent read it and so are ignorant makes no difference as they cannot understand when they do read.

But then obviously I am only making assumptions here.

[thetonic]

yozhik,

you would do better, rather than argue with yourself, to express yourself fully with the knowledge you claim to know.

i'm starting to think yozhik, 1694 and rob are one

You are paranoid. Ok we get it... Could you please stay on topic by perhaps asking a valid question of Rob , you could then determine if it is the actaul 'rob menard' that he claims to be...?


edit: im quite certain only the real 'rob menard' would make this joke:D

PS - Sneaking up and screaming at blind people is no way to make your mark in life.[

[yozhik]

Hi Rob

I did see a video (perhaps you) that opened by telling us a story of you trying to order chips with gravy on the side. Anyway, it left me in tears and my pants soaked in urine.

..very funny.

pssssst ... ending the sentence at "left me in tears" was the correct mental image to leave us with :D

[yozhik]

I just think if you took one simple act out in the streets and asked people to read it Id guess about 80% would have no idea what it means to them after reading it. so even the fact that they havent read it and so are ignorant makes no difference as they cannot understand when they do read.

But then obviously I am only making assumptions here.

No ... I think you're right.
In fact, I'd say your assumption of 80% is on the low side.
The rules were written intentionally to deceive.
Now we have to unravel it all ... :(

... but Mark McMurtrie says in the videos posted by dondaz - that after spending more time deconstructing their riddles, you get to become aware of their patterns and it becomes easier with time. l
Lets hope he's right!!!

[boots]

This is the problem though Rob, it seems people can only be free if they do 25k hours of research into law and understand all the different acts and statutes.

So this freedom then becomes conditional which is counter intuitive to the whole idea of freedom. Im not trying to argue against the movement I think its great simply for the fact it reminds people of their forgotten sovereignty its just not very effective for the "multitudes" to apply.

Thanks for all the information and videos you have given us.

I feel we tend to get bogged down in "their" terminologies in regards to statues. Rob and others have already laid the ground work in "understanding" act's and statues.

Get it gets simple when you KNOW that you are a man/woman and you dont play there games. Ask questions and never accept their word for anything.


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[rob menard]

Law Society hates me. They are actively 'hunting' me and apparently are seeking to have me charged with contempt of court. This issue will be examined more in depth in my next movie. I found out they were asking a guy to sign a flase affidavit so they could claim I was in contravention of a court order. A court order that is not apparently signed. They make copies of the original then sign that, then make another copy and give that to the cops who think they are enforcing a signed order. There are also questions about the applicability, the lawfulness and the meaning of the order itself.

See here for more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1aPTxHeQFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1aPTxHeQFc

Many of the cops have treated me respectfully and have no reason to act aggresively towards me and appreciate my efforts to achieve change using the methods I do. I also have a record of having assisted some them in times of danger, and having on your record that you put your life on the line for one of theirs does not hurt.

Plus, I have been beaten before and there are worse places to go to jail then Canada and worse reasons to be jailed then standing honourably against what you see as deception and injustice.

I did not have the intent opf an A-Z Guide, but can see the benefit and need of that. I have a lot on my plate at the moment however and if I do not drop it all to please others please forgive me. There is no sense of doing that however until you learn what you can by doing the LSAT's. Seriously, it will change the way you analyse the system and you will start to see it clearly. I am not being obtuse or avoiding your question. There simply is no sense trying to create a how to guide for say algerbra for people who never learned basic addition and subtraction. The same is true with this. First you have to develop certain basic skills.

As a word of hopeful advice, it is far far easier then you can believe, and the path I walked to make a map of the entirety of a system and find the easiest path within it, is not the one you must take. Unless of course you want.

Rob

PS- If you want to cross a mine field, follow those foot steps that do not end in craters.

[thetonic]

Rob

Are there any books out there that you recommend we get our hands on?

I think Blacks Law Dictionary is a good asset to have when decoding their double-triple-speak

[h2pogo]

positively great you have joined this forum rob.warmest of welcome

a question though
as a freeman in the uk do you know if i could i still claim family tax credits and or state benefits,
most people i know claim at least tax credits and it is their main reason why they wont declare lawfull rebellion as has john harris.http://www.tpuc.org

[rob menard]

i hope this isn't member named "1694" bullshiting folks

this is bullshit... something along the lines of that i'm an illuminati insider famous thread

You got me. I am the Illuminati Insider. I am also the Michelin Man. On Thursday nights I am also "Thor The Masked Punisher". Reservations are suggested for the latter.

Rob

[yozhik]

positively great you have joined this forum rob.warmest of welcome

a question though
as a freeman in the uk do you know if i could i still claim family tax credits and or state benefits,
most people i know claim at least tax credits and it is their main reason why they wont declare lawfull rebellion as has john harris.http://www.tpuc.org

How can you denounce a system and its methods; then claim benefits from it? :rolleyes:

... but wouldn't the illegal tax you don't pay, far exceed the tax credits you deem to be a benefit/privilege?

It's like; you can't be kind of pregnant.
You either are or you aren't.

[boots]

Rob

Are there any books out there that you recommend we get our hands on?

I think Blacks Law Dictionary is a good asset to have when decoding their double-triple-speak

Yeah grab the 5th edition if you can, it's what you can use as a basses for there double speak the pricks have altered all the laster ones. but you can always refer back to that one as a Maxim of Law.


Can find it on E Bay or Amazon fairly cheap.


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[boots]

positively great you have joined this forum rob.warmest of welcome

a question though
as a freeman in the uk do you know if i could i still claim family tax credits and or state benefits,
most people i know claim at least tax credits and it is their main reason why they wont declare lawfull rebellion as has john harris.http://www.tpuc.org


Those Family benefits and Tax credits are a nice way of keeping you in their clutches, and control.

Like yozhik said you get to keep more of your $ by not having to pay all those taxes and by using your bond to pay for thing's ( bill's, etc.)


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[rob menard]

I found insight in the Bible, Blackstones Commentaries, Old English dictionaries from the 1800's, Law School text books, Notary Guides, LSAT's, court rulings, and historical records such as hand written contracts, wills, claims, notices and the like. If you can find old grade school text books they used to teach all about bills of exchanges, cheques, ticks (tickets), promissory notes, bonds, and the like to kids before the reached 13 years of age, as at that time they could be sent to town to conduct the families affairs.

I also read a lot of bathroom graffiti.

Rob

PS- There is over whelming evidence to suggest that those who use the term 'over whelming evidence' are relying on incomplete informa.

[h2pogo]

How can you denounce a system and its methods; then claim benefits from it? :rolleyes:

... but wouldn't the illegal tax you don't pay, far exceed the tax credits you deem to be a benefit/privilege?

It's like; you can't be kind of pregnant.
You either are or you aren't.

i pay lots more tax than i get benefits. lots more and if i do become a freeman i will still be paying these unavoidable illegal taxes.and what services do i get for them other than being hasseld and put out of buissness by revenue collectors/inspectors/beaurocrats and police.
in the uk every one who lives in a house gets tax credits(well 90 odd percent)
tax credits amount to about £8400 per year for a family of four.
what i am trying to find out is a way how the common human being could survive as a freeman in this false economy.
there must be a way round it that is what i am looking for.

[helpus]

You are paranoid. Ok we get it... Could you please stay on topic by perhaps asking a valid question of Rob , you could then determine if it is the actaul 'rob menard' that he claims to be...?


edit: im quite certain only the real 'rob menard' would make this joke:D

thanks thetonic,

yes i am paranoid, it's a necessity in this day and age. any day and age.

ask rob a q? i did, no answer so far.

you are asking me to take things at face value, sorry i don't subscribe to that.

behave myself in this thread. i will.

i'm looking forward to some questions and answers.

peace

[minestrone321]

Hi Rob, thanks for being here.

Do you know if it is possible, or how to get a free man on the land status in Scandinavia? I don't think we have the same "laws" about this as you have in Canada.. (?)

[rob menard]

thanks thetonic,

yes i am paranoid, it's a necessity in this day and age. any day and age.

ask rob a q? i did, no answer so far.

you are asking me to take things at face value, sorry i don't subscribe to that.

behave myself in this thread. i will.

i'm looking forward to some questions and answers.

peace

I answered your question, if it was about the A-Z guide.
Rob

PS- No PS for you.

[helpus]

I answered your question, if it was about the A-Z guide.
Rob

PS- No PS for you.

no psfor me? poor me... dictating mo fo?

[griswald]

What is the one thing that will prevent some one from opting out of the system, is it debt that will keeps us there.

griswald

[boots]

A Question

Rob, can you use your bond to pay of a home loan???


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[friendsinthesky]

As a word of hopeful advice, it is far far easier then you can believe, and the path I walked to make a map of the entirety of a system and find the easiest path within it, is not the one you must take. Unless of course you want.

Rob



Good advice, many will be watching videos by yourself and others and feel somewhat defeated because you've so much knowledge, yet we don't need to go the whole hog as you have done so personally.

Rob, when a cop or judge refers to you as a "person", what word do you use to replace the word 'person'?

[yozhik]

i pay lots more tax than i get benefits. lots more and if i do become a freeman i will still be paying these unavoidable illegal taxes.and what services do i get for them other than being hasseld and put out of buissness by revenue collectors/inspectors/beaurocrats and police.
in the uk every one who lives in a house gets tax credits(well 90 odd percent)
tax credits amount to about £8400 per year for a family of four.
what i am trying to find out is a way how the common human being could survive as a freeman in this false economy.
there must be a way round it that is what i am looking for.

Sorry h2pogo - didn't mean to come across as dismissive.
Maybe I'm missing something ... if you're a freeman, you won't be paying taxes anymore.

The revenue collectors, inspectors, polinazis and thugs in blue will have no jurisdiction over you, as they are all policing statutes which is admiralty/maritime law ... which you would have rejected in your NOU's.
So there would be no tax - as long as you could privately contract with the place that you work.

Then, of course, there is the matter of taking control of your bond account, which would then be available for many of your household expenses.

Unless I'm missing something, it must be a winning scenario for you.

[yozhik]

no psfor me? poor me... dictating mo fo?

I think the words you were looking for were; "thank you".
Not sure which language that translates into "mo fo" ... :rolleyes:

Gratitiude costs nothing.
If you ask a man a question, then at least show some respect when he answers.

[yozhik]

Rob - is there anyway of getting tptb to admit the bond account exists? And the balance of it?

Can it be accessed via the Freedom of Information Act?
If so, who would the question be directed to?

[goldman]

Hi Rob, welcome.

For lack of a better way to see it, it is about the Kingdom of God manifesting in your lifetime, before your eyes, resulting in peace and abundance beyond measure, and dignity for all.

Rob


I wonder then how you look upon the faith systems of this world, where law is derived from religious beliefs and ideas, pushed down to the worldly kingdoms, whilst they rule over the people. The law system is constructed as God's kingdom on earth, the judge sits in the center (analogue to God), the defendant sits left (the place of Lucifer) and the prosecutor sits right (the place of Jesus). So a law system is a bastardized version of the written word, and God's righteousness. As Christians lecture us: In God's eyes law is absolute and without remorse while speaking law (or as we say: justice is blind), otherwise his "throne" would tremble. All law is voluntary, or as Black's dictionary teaches us: "law" is used to signify an oath, or the privilege of being sworn;

Throne, king, king of kings, lord of lords, THE lord, sworn oaths to the Kingdom in heaven and on earth: law. It seems they all go together.

I'm interested in your view point since I suspect (based on the above quote) you have some kind of relation to religious ideas, and I honestly wonder how you'll mix that by going against instead of for it :)

In case you wonder how I see it, I think there is a religious conspiracy against all children from the age of enlightenment.

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[yozhik]

I wonder then how you look upon the faith systems of this world, where law is derived from religious beliefs and ideas, pushed down to the worldly kingdoms, whilst they rule over the people. The law system is constructed as God's kingdom on earth, the judge sits in the center (analogue to God), the defendant sits left (the place of Lucifer) and the prosecutor sits right (the place of Jesus). So a law system is a bastardized versions of the written word, and God's righteousness. In God's eyes law is absolute without remorse, otherwise his "throne" would tremble. All law is voluntary, or as Blacks dictionary teaches us: "law" is used to signify an oath, or the privilege of being sworn;

Throne, king, king of kings, lord of lords, THE lord, sworn oaths to the Kingdom in heaven and on earth: law. It seems they all go together.

I'm interested in your view point since I suspect (based on the above quote) you have some kind of relation to religious ideas, and I honestly wonder how you'll mix that by going against instead of for it :)

Even a simple person like me can answer this one :D

God is the Creator; He created man in his image. Man created the laws.
How can the created be greater and mightier than the creator?

If you are saying that the statutes and by-laws created my man are greater than man; then you must also be arguing that man is greater than his Creator.

The oaths the officials took; the statutes, the laws, the constitutions ... all of them placed God as top of the food chain with man as the #2.

... at least thats what I recall (maybe incorrectly) from one of Rob's videos :o

[boots]

Good advice, many will be watching videos by yourself and others and feel somewhat defeated because you've so much knowledge, yet we don't need to go the whole hog as you have done so personally.

Rob, when a cop or judge refers to you as a "person", what word do you use to replace the word 'person'?


Since he has gone, I'll try and answer that.

Say. What's that. I am Joe Andrew of the family Blogs.

or I'm not a person. I'm a Man some times referred to as Joe, you can call me Joe not Mr or anything but just Joe, the men and women in my life call me that.


Break Presumptions.;)


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[tom bombadil]

Hullo Rob. Welcome to a nice place!

Thank you for this help from your heart to all of us.

I will get to it now with a quizer or two.

(1) I work in a big firm. How do I get them to pay my tax to me? Or would it be 'better' for me to 'allow' the Gov. to take that tax and then claim it back at the end of each year? I dont wish to leave work. It pays well.


More to follow.


Thanks

[yozhik]

he he he ... I'm sure if office gossip spread around the BIG FIRM, that little 'ol you had made an agreement with the Govt. that you didn't pay any more tax ... you'd have a lot of people asking you how the hell you managed it ;)

Probably the quickest "number of conversions to Freeman-on-the-land in a single day" on record :D

[goldman]

Even a simple person like me can answer this one :D

God is the Creator; He created man in his image. Man created the laws.
How can the created be greater and mightier than the creator?

If you are saying that the statutes and by-laws created my man are greater than man; then you must also be arguing that man is greater than his Creator.

The oaths the officials took; the statutes, the laws, the constitutions ... all of them placed God as top of the food chain with man as the #2.

... at least thats what I recall (maybe incorrectly) from one of Rob's videos :o

I didn't ask you a question, I asked Rob.

[pdcdp]

hi rob!

i have my NUICOR ready to serve as soon as i get a day off to get notarised, but two small questions remain unanswered and it's doing my nut! so, if you would be so kind:

1- to whom (in the uk) would you serve notice to? it's been tricky to find out- some say the queen, others say the affected government departments... would it be ok to serve notice to the queen, then inform gov departments with my notarised default judgement?

2- i have studied, amended and come to fully understand the document, aside from one small sentence...
"Furthermore, I claim the law of agent and principal applies and that service upon one is
service upon both."
now, it's a fairly simple sentence, i just don't quite understand why it's required and how it benefits me?

any uk specific hints on commercial redemption would be hugely appreciated too! have studied many hours of shrout etc, but the all important uk details are still sketchy at best...

take it easy, n'est pas?:)

pd!

[rob menard]

Forgive me if I miss some questions and do not answer individually.
My religious belief I have described thus:
It is a castle with a foundation of Judaism and Walls of Christianity and Islamic Windows. The roof is made of Buddhist wood.
I however spend most of my time outside in the garden of secular humanistic compassion.

If you accept benefits you will bear the burden. If you ask for and receive an allowance, you will be told your bed time.

If you are operating under a contract for hire, then you have no need to pay income tax. It is not you that pays, but an account. Close your account by abandoning your SIN. (Canada revelant, eh?)

The best way to get someone to admit that which they do wish to is to make a claim and serve them notice. Let them dispute it under full liability. IF they do not they have admitted it.

Rob

PS- Thanks for such nice warm welcomes.

[griswald]

hi rob!

i have my NUICOR ready to serve as soon as i get a day off to get notarised, but two small questions remain unanswered and it's doing my nut! so, if you would be so kind:

1- to whom (in the uk) would you serve notice to? it's been tricky to find out- some say the queen, others say the affected government departments... would it be ok to serve notice to the queen, then inform gov departments with my notarised default judgement?

2- i have studied, amended and come to fully understand the document, aside from one small sentence...
"Furthermore, I claim the law of agent and principal applies and that service upon one is
service upon both."
now, it's a fairly simple sentence, i just don't quite understand why it's required and how it benefits me?

any uk specific hints on commercial redemption would be hugely appreciated too! have studied many hours of shrout etc, but the all important uk details are still sketchy at best...

take it easy, n'est pas?:)

pd!

Fair play to you pdcdp.

As you are the only one I know apart from Rob, when did you first become aware of the freeman idea, and how long did it take you to reach this stage.

And how many other posters to date on this thread have also reached this stage , and are now free men.

griswald

[goldman]

And how many other posters to date on this thread have also reached this stage , and are now free men.
griswald

Something like... free(mason)men ? :rolleyes:

[tom bombadil]

he he he ... I'm sure if office gossip spread around the BIG FIRM, that little 'ol you had made an agreement with the Govt. that you didn't pay any more tax ... you'd have a lot of people asking you how the hell you managed it ;)

Probably the quickest "number of conversions to Freeman-on-the-land in a single day" on record :D

Hi yozhik. The guys and gals at my place of work all know of my exploits (or rather lack of them of late :rolleyes: ) They come to me for advice and I am increasingly becoming to realise that I dont know the deeper questions that are put to me, so I direct them here.

The folk working in the admin dept. wont mind I am sure. To them It might be just a new tax code for me (is that an oxymoron?)

Also. I work for the british Gov indirectly, but it was not my intention to label my question with my prediciment so others think that it might only be for me.


Tom.

[rob menard]

I would like to offer a little warning. A NUI and COR is not a license and will not necessarily result in them leaving you alone. I know some for whom it worked magically and immediately and some for whom it did not.

It is a line in the sand and if they cross it you are telling them there will be a problem and they are liable. If when they cross it you respond by crying, they will disregard your claim. If at that point you take proper lawful steps, even potentially violent ones, they will be deemed as provoking an assault by their actions.

The documents do not make the man, the man makes the documents.

In court when referred to as Mr or a person, I gently thank them for the title or honourific, but point out I am a Freeman-on-the-Land and the only way to maintain their honour is to call me Freeman.

Rob

PS- Never judge a cop until you have walked a mile in his boots. Cause then you will be a mile away, AND have his boots.

[yozhik]

I didn't ask you a question, I asked Rob.

Well ... excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me :cool:
Geeeeeeeeeeeez ... you try to help someone ... and look where it gets ya.

[boots]

. It is not you that pays, but an account. Close your account by abandoning your SIN. (Canada revelant, eh?)



That is different to your BC number. Yes? which is your "account number"

So you just right your Birth Certificate number on your "bill's". Yes?

Is it that simple?? I think it is. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Thanks, Man.




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[goldman]

Well ... excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me :cool:
Geeeeeeeeeeeez ... you try to help someone ... and look where it gets ya.

You didn't help me at all, since you didn't understand what I asked and didn't take the time to read what I really asked, and yes it wasn't meant for you, otherwise I would have implicitly stated it as such. I am not sure of your goal here, but it seems your pretty good at diverting and bouncing threads towards your own direction, whatever your agenda might be.

[yozhik]

Something like... free(mason)men ? :rolleyes:

Absolutely!!

Damn you rumbled out little gathering ... and Rob is the Grand Poobah of the 39th chapter of freemasonmen. (when he's not in his Thor the Masked Punisher costume)

Wish you had told us you were coming; we would have put our clothes back on and untied the goat and the virgin from the sacrificial alter. Not sure how we would have cleaned the chocolate syrup off though ... :rolleyes:

[yozhik]

You didn't help me at all, since you didn't understand what I asked and didn't take the time to read what I really asked, and yes it wasn't meant for you, otherwise I would have implicitly stated it as such. I am not sure of your goal here, but it seems your pretty good at diverting and bouncing threads towards your own direction, whatever your agenda might be.

how do you spell p-a-r-a-n-o-i-a ?

pppffffttttttt ... was there a "leave your sense of humour at the door" signpost I missed, or something?

[tom bombadil]

Absolutely!!

Damn you rumbled out little gathering ... and Rob is the Grand Poobah of the 39th chapter of freemasonmen. (when he's not in his Thor the Masked Punisher costume)

Wish you had told us you were coming; we would have put our clothes back on and untied the goat and the virgin from the sacrificial alter. Not sure how we would have cleaned the chocolate syrup off though ... :rolleyes:

Please....Leave the syrup.


Um Tom.

[rob menard]

The SIN likely generates instruments as well, but moreover establishes an employee relationship with the corporate masters.

For determining worth and tracking bonds and securities someone sent me this link.
http://www.wetheaboriginalpeople.com/stateproperty.html

I followed it and using a friends BC found that there was a bond in a fund held by a certain company. Fidelity Assurance I think. (FIAGX is their trading symbol) Although I have not researched it in depth yet, you can locate CUSIP numbers of court cases, SIN, BC through it and track who held it and the like. I have to warn you however, money is not my forte.

Rob

PS- Never leave a box of Q-Tip within arms reach of the toilet seat. You may run out of toilet paper and have a very bad idea.

[griswald]

If some of the junior members behaved the way some of the senior members behave , they would get reprimanded. Is someone going to moderate here or what.

Please stick to the original reason for the thread. After all the purpose of the thread is to enlighten the novice, not bitching between senior members.

You are going to push interested individuals away..

griswald.

[tom bombadil]

how do you spell p-a-r-a-n-o-i-a ?

pppffffttttttt ... was there a "leave your sense of humour at the door" signpost I missed, or something?

Hi yozhik. To a lot of folk here, these questions are vital to our understanding of this Freeman-ship. It would be a slog without humor, but sometimes, when a man stands up to speak, we should listen to the words of (possible :rolleyes: ) wisdom.

Ray has said he would help. We should leave the answers to him (imho) but direct questions about the answers, from others, back to Ray.


Tom.

[rob menard]

That is likley my fault.
I am a HUGE sh*t disturber.

Rob

PS- Surreptitiously placing 20 boxes of condoms in an old ladies shopping basket is fun, educational, and may result in you getting brownies.

[pdcdp]

I would like to offer a little warning. A NUI and COR is not a license and will not necessarily result in them leaving you alone. I know some for whom it worked magically and immediately and some for whom it did not.


howdy!

have been practising potential confrontations with peace officers and feel pretty confident that i can successfully keep myself from entering into a contract with them (thanks for that one, it's now my birthday every day!:D)

would it be adviseable to approach my local police force openly about my freeman status? i mean,if i were to go in and discuss it with an official, would i be more likely to be singled out as a suspicious character or respected as an honest, intelligent and humble individual?

i think we need some fall guys to test the waters over here, guess i could be one of them....:eek:

all for a good cause though, eh?:)

[grenadene]

If some of the junior members behaved the way some of the senior members behave , they would get reprimanded. Is someone going to moderate here or what.

Please stick to the original reason for the thread. After all the purpose of the thread is to enlighten the novice, not bitching between senior members.

You are going to push interested individuals away..

griswald.

Or we could viciously and immoderately ignore them :)

[sunya]

I keep reading these threads and I still don't get it. Is it mainly about not paying taxes?

[rob menard]

My belief was that only enemies try to fly under the radar, and as I am not a foe, but a peaceful man, I should identify myself to them and make myself available to answer questions.

I did however ensure I had cameras ready.

Rob, NOT RAY unless you refer to sunshine and moonbeams.

PS- If a cop ever asks "Who is in charge here?!?" reply "Well, with that question we know it is not you..."

[goldman]

Or we could viciously and immoderately ignore them :)

Well, I had a question and Rob took the time to answer me. And I thank him for it, that's all I wanted to know. It took me 4 posts to get passed the fillers, but it was worth it. I guess it's a good idea to let people who know about this freemen stuff answer, otherwise the thread becomes muddy. You won't see me disturbing someone here, that you can count on. Peace.

[tom bombadil]

"Rob, NOT RAY unless you refer to sunshine and moonbeams."

http://www.getminted.com/gambling/gambling/images/stories/simpson-doh.png

[pdcdp]

I keep reading these threads and I still don't get it. Is it mainly about not paying taxes?

no.

that's a part of it, sure, but theres a whole lot more to it than that.

in my short experience - research everything for yourself! you need to understand what you are doing or you may end up opening a whole new can of worms...

my basic understanding is that this is the way for responsible people to break away from commercial governance and return to their intended free, natural status under common law.

i haven't noticed anyone plug it yet so here goes: www.thinkfree.ca

watch the videos there and your appetite will be well and truly whetted!;)

easy!

[boots]

.

Rob

PS- Surreptitiously placing 20 boxes of condoms in an old ladies shopping basket is fun, educational, and may result in you getting brownies.


LMAO


Good one Mate.:)

[pdcdp]

My belief was that only enemies try to fly under the radar, and as I am not a foe, but a peaceful man, I should identify myself to them and make myself available to answer questions.

I did however ensure I had cameras ready.

Rob, NOT RAY unless you refer to sunshine and moonbeams.

PS- If a cop ever asks "Who is in charge here?!?" reply "Well, with that question we know it is not you..."

excellent, my sentiments exactly! is there any footage online? haven't fully watched the latest vid yet....

any luck on finding out if the queen is a valid person(!) to serve a NUICOR on? after all she is the head of the corporation...

pd!

p.s. do you have a thinkfree logo/icon i could use to link there from my business website?

[rob menard]

On Service...

The way I looked at it, the more the better. Although the concept of service on agent constitutes service on the principal is sound and transfers liability that is no guarantee that you won't be dealing with some big guy with a gun who simply does not know.

Some of my first notices and letters, we made up literally thousands of copies. A whole box of paper and handed them out like candy to the public, cops, government agents, court house visitors and the like. We would put them on the windshields of cop cars and be standing there with a big smile and camera when they removed it say "Served". We made a list of all the people who would be affected and saw that they all got served. Why leave anyone out of the invitation process is how I looked at it. Why should I deny them the chance to accept an invitation. That would be rude, eh? :D

From Elizabeth to the cops dog. Invite them all.

Rob

PS- Life is a suicide mission, and the sooner you accept that the more fun you will have and the greater your chances of success.

[lesactive]

About time you got here Rob. These folk are rabid for info, unfortunately, no Canadians present in these threads but welcome anyway!!

ps- folks, this is Rob, no one else in this movement that I know of would make a pun on porpoise

[yozhik]

About time you got here you got here Rob. These folk are rabid for info, unfortunately, no Canadians present in these threads but welcome anyway!!

ps- folks, this is Rob, no one else in this movement that I know of would make a pun on porpoise

so any pun would be purely accidental?

[rob menard]

About time you got here you got here Rob. These folk are rabid for info, unfortunately, no Canadians present in these threads but welcome anyway!!

ps- folks, this is Rob, no one else in this movement that I know of would make a pun on porpoise

Hi Les,

Thank you. And I am stealing that pun on porpoise bit. It is so bad on so many levels....

[pdcdp]

On Service...

The way I looked at it, the more the better. Although the concept of service on agent constitutes service on the principal is sound and transfers liability that is no guarantee that you won't be dealing with some big guy with a gun who simply does not know.

Some of my first notices and letters, we made up literally thousands of copies. A whole box of paper and handed them out like candy to the public, cops, government agents, court house visitors and the like. We would put them on the windshields of cop cars and be standing there with a big smile and camera when they removed it say "Served". We made a list of all the people who would be affected and saw that they all got served. Why leave anyone out of the invitation process is how I looked at it. Why should I deny them the chance to accept an invitation. That would be rude, eh? :D

From Elizabeth to the cops dog. Invite them all.

Rob

PS- Life is a suicide mission, and the sooner you accept that the more fun you will have and the greater your chances of success.

hehehehe.... this might be more fun than i previously thought!:D

i had been slightly concerned about paying for notary services for multiple notices, but i guess only the important ones need it and the rest can be served in person, would i need to take a witness though? hmmm... better get a video camera sorted....;)

massive thanks for that, i had been getting a little edgy at the lack of sound information available, really glad to see you here offering guidance, hope some of the more fiesty characters on here don't put you off the site!

easy!

www.cremedepeche.co.uk

[yozhik]

Rob ... in most of your vids I've seen, most of them seem to focus on the NOU and COR, rather than the bond account.

In your mind, this is the foundation and primary focus of the Freeman status?
Does it all have to be done at once?
How much time can you leave between the two? i.e NOU/COR and control of bond.

... and I'm sure this is a dumb question, but if someone is going to ask it, it may as well be me;

Will the EU Constitution/Lisbon Treaty cause any issues for UK Freeman wannabes and any other European based bretheren?
The only reason I ask is because with the McLibel precedent, it now seems that the EU Court is higher than the UK courts.
The question is not about jurisdiction; it is more about serving NOU and COR, do we now have to also serve the EU government officials? :rolleyes:

[dondaz]

Hey Rob, welcome to the Icke forum. Pleasure to have you here mate. Been doing a bit of research into the Freeman movement for a while now. Very interesting. I'm a film-maker and have quite a few interactions with the police on film trying to oppress me in various ways, usually over my filming in public. Anyway, I have always held my ground with them in my own wierd ways, based on right and wrong type of thing. Here's a couple of examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfQrDK9YHas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh4R0ZLpjNg

Learning about the Freeman movement has been a total eye opener for me, and it's given me a self empowerment with real workable information. I have questioned the validity of it myself in the past, but by sticking with it I now know it is the right path for me. I have my NOUI & COR ready to be Notorised, though I am using the Magna Carta 1215, Article 61, Lawful Rebellion in my process. I'm also learning about commerce too!

Stick with it folks. There is a learning curve, sure. But if you can get your head around MK Ultra, Project Monarch and NLP you will come to understand the Law and the Admirality system. Put the time and effort into it and you will know it.

Anyone interested can view my latest vids on Discovering Freeman Philosophy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDx0RBPqG8A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CQ7OjQbhP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZMu8V2Qqf8[/color]

Btw, Malvern & I were invited to a conference last week, what I thought was going to be pre-dominantly NWO turned out to be mostly Freeman & Commerce, and then some. It was quite good. I have it all on film and will be releasing Englands first Freeman on The Land Conference before christmas.

Thanks Rob, you're an inspiration!:)

[duckingdafta]

PS- Life is a suicide mission, and the sooner you accept that the more fun you will have and the greater your chances of success.

Nice philosophy ... I kind of wish more would take action rather than just wording it... you can learn the details and your rights as and when needed IF you are ever in trouble..until then basics will do, as long as YOU know you are doing the right thing.

[rob menard]

Rob ... in most of your vids I've seen, most of them seem to focus on the NOU and COR, rather than the bond account.

In your mind, this is the foundation and primary focus of the Freeman status?
Does it all have to be done at once?
How much time can you leave between the two? i.e NOU/COR and control of bond.

... and I'm sure this is a dumb question, but if someone is going to ask it, it may as well be me;

Will the EU Constitution/Lisbon Treaty cause any issues for UK Freeman wannabes and any other European based bretheren?
The only reason I ask is because with the McLibel precedent, it now seems that the EU Court is higher than the UK courts.
The question is not about jurisdiction; it is more about serving NOU and COR, do we now have to also serve the EU government officials? :rolleyes:


I would serve them if I was you.

To understand what the freeman movement is, and how it is to a very large degree a spiritual and consciousness growth process watch this video and listen closely to the words. It speaks to it rather nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMwn_hnoS5Y&feature=related
Here's some lyrics.
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/peter+gabriel/solsbury+hill_20107506.html

Many seem to worry about where will they get the cookies they are used to, and can't seem to accept they own the bakery.


As for the foundation, even if you decide to go for your bond and do redemption or similar, your likely hood of success increases if you are operating on claimed rights, instead of not doing so.

Rob

PS- Some people after they meet me, think I am arrogant. I think they are lucky I talk to them.

[yozhik]

Cheers Rob ... thanks

[pdcdp]

on commercial redemption (if that is the correct term)...

i recently received true copies of my birth certificate, complete with six digit reference number, though i neglected to apply for my international SIN after a small crisis of confidence.

after researching shrout's material i'm drawn to the understanding that i need to accept a certificate for value, post to the treasury with a notice instructing them on how to handle any requests for payment (a letter which i haven't yet come across), and it's at that point that my confidence fades. how on earth do you get the treasury to take you seriously? i can't see them welcoming your request with open arms... is there a broker / middleman that can be used to ensure fair play?:confused:

if i could jump that hurdle....:D

so then, i should be able to start AFV, right? do i need to do anythng else to issue my own promissary notes backed by the bond/trust?

[rob menard]

You would have to ask Winston about his material.
I have conflicting views on the whole thing.

If you are directing someone else how to divert your money or use your account, they still have control, right? Thus they would still have the power to vote away your account. Do you trust them or not? If not why let them have control, and if so, how can you trust them when they are not answering your questions and you feel compelled to ask those here?

The Notary is used as an impartial witness to the process of demand.

Rob

PS- Golf shoes and trampolines do not mix any better then red wine and cheese puffs.

[pdcdp]

You would have to ask Winston about his material.
I have conflicting views on the whole thing.

If you are directing someone else how to divert your money or use your account, they still have control, right? Thus they would still have the power to vote away your account. Do you trust them or not? If not why let them have control, and if so, how can you trust them when they are not answering your questions and you feel compelled to ask those here?

The Notary is used as an impartial witness to the process of demand.

Rob

PS- Golf shoes and trampolines do not mix any better then red wine and cheese puffs.

i don't know too much about WS but i never got the impression that he had our best interests at heart, interesting chap though even if only for his dukes of hazzard
accent, he could have played the sheriff brilliantly in that show....

so.... you wouldn't advocate placing your bond with the treasury? i guess that means that when accepting for value you would present the recipient with a promissary note / accepted for value bill, along with a notice instructing them on what to do with that note/bill. would they then take it to a commercial bank to get their wedge?:confused:
maybe it is the bank who would need the instruction... but i'm lost as to how they would access the bond.!

there aren't many people we can really trust, but it's hard to get around the feeling that we're trying to play these banksters at their own game and inevitably will have to deal with them head on, and win.

inner workings of banks and government are a foreign concept to me.:p

p.s. a bad joke for your trouble...

what do you call a man with gammon on his shoulders standing between two rows of houses?

muhammed ali.:D

[1694]

i hope this isn't member named "1694" bullshiting folks

LOL, I wondered how far this would get. A mod can IP check this isn't me, I'm on such thin ice right now I don't know if I'm even allowed to post in this thread, but if your not living on the edge etc.

Infact for my own protection, Rob can you post a pic of yourself with todays newspaper/the newspaper of the day so that everyone knows its the real you and not me.

[friendsinthesky]

I found an online law dictionary (http://dictionary.law.com/) and typed in person;

Here I give the meaning to person and natural person

natural person
n. a real human being, as distinguished from a corporation, which is often treated at law as a fictitious person.

person
n. 1) a human being. 2) a corporation treated as having the rights and obligations of a person. Counties and cities can be treated as a person in the same manner as a corporation. However, corporations, counties and cities cannot have the emotions of humans such as malice, and therefore are not liable for punitive damages unless there is a statute authorizing the award of punitive damages.
See also: corporation party

How is the diff between a real human being and a human being determined? Is it safe to say to a cop or judge that I'm a 'natural person'?

[dondaz]

If you are directing someone else how to divert your money or use your account, they still have control, right? Thus they would still have the power to vote away your account. Do you trust them or not? If not why let them have control, and if so, how can you trust them when they are not answering your questions and you feel compelled to ask those here?


Interesting thoughts. So they can vote a bond/trust account away. Not considered this aspect.

[friendsinthesky]

I found an online law dictionary (http://dictionary.law.com/) and typed in person;

Here I give the meaning to person and natural person

natural person
n. a real human being, as distinguished from a corporation, which is often treated at law as a fictitious person.

person
n. 1) a human being. 2) a corporation treated as having the rights and obligations of a person. Counties and cities can be treated as a person in the same manner as a corporation. However, corporations, counties and cities cannot have the emotions of humans such as malice, and therefore are not liable for punitive damages unless there is a statute authorizing the award of punitive damages.
See also: corporation party

How is the diff between a real human being and a human being determined? Is it safe to say to a cop or judge that I'm a 'natural person'?


Edit:

For instance; if the judge looked at me and asked "are you, Mr Joe Blow the person standing here before me"..and I reply "if Mr Joe Blow is regarded as a natural person, then yes I am him"...what would the judge say or do next?

And if I look deeper, is it possible (..think I'm having a melt down) that my natural person can file a suit against my person for damages?

[yozhik]

I found an online law dictionary (http://dictionary.law.com/) and typed in person;

Here I give the meaning to person and natural person





How is the diff between a real human being and a human being determined? Is it safe to say to a cop or judge that I'm a 'natural person'?

its safer to use the word man/woman ... even better, sovereign :)
don't even acknowledge the word person.
safer not to.

[pdcdp]

I found an online law dictionary (http://dictionary.law.com/) and typed in person;

Here I give the meaning to person and natural person





How is the diff between a real human being and a human being determined? Is it safe to say to a cop or judge that I'm a 'natural person'?


Edit:

For instance; if the judge looked at me and asked "are you, Mr Joe Blow the person standing here before me"..and I reply "if Mr Joe Blow is regarded as a natural person, then yes I am him"...what would the judge say or do next?

you're almost there.....

i'm not the expert here, but my understanding is that when dealing with enforcement officers, judges and what not, your first priority is usually to not enter into contract with them, which is achieved by disassociating your self from your legal (ALL CAPS) fiction.
maritime / commercial law only binds the all-caps fiction, so they need you to confirm your name and birth date in order for them to hold any kind of jurisdiction, if you don't confirm these details and you make it clear that you are acting lawfully and are not willing to contract with them, they (apparently) can't do squat.

of course, an offence under common law would be a different matter, but if you're a good person you needn't worry!

watch the vids at thinkfree!!!

pd.

[helpus]

anyone learnt anything?

thought not. false thread on an important subject

[yozhik]

anyone learnt anything?


Yes, I have.
Thank you for your concern and care, shown by your asking. :)

[helpus]

LOL, I wondered how far this would get. A mod can IP check this isn't me, I'm on such thin ice right now I don't know if I'm even allowed to post in this thread, but if your not living on the edge etc.

Infact for my own protection, Rob can you post a pic of yourself with todays newspaper/the newspaper of the day so that everyone knows its the real you and not me.

mate if ur an aussie ip comes different each day

[helpus]

fuk me yozhik is here to answer all



same old same old circle

[lhaull]

Some interesting discussions on the subject here and examples to download.

http://www.tpuc.org/commercialredemption/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7

I borrowed a copy one chap had done and I wondered if Rob could look it over and see if it makes sense.


Credit to, ScotA on Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:10 pm http://www.tpuc.org/commercialredemption/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7



COPY of
______________


Notice Of Understanding And Intent And Claim of Right


Whereas it is my understanding


I, firstname-secondname:sirname, Sui juris, a flesh and blood man and blessed living Soul serving God alone, do hereby state the following is My Statement of Truth

Whereas it is my understanding that the United Kingdom is a common law jurisdiction, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that equality before the law is paramount and mandatory, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that a statute is defined as legislated rule of a society which has been given the force of law, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that a society is defined as a number of people joined by mutual consent to deliberate, determine, and act for a common goal, and ,

Whereas it is my understanding that the only form of government recognised as lawful in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland is a representative one,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that representation requires mutual consent,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that in the absence of mutual consent neither representation nor governance can exist,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that all Acts are statutes restricted in scope and applicability by the Constitution and/or Bill of Rights,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that said scope and applicability is limited to members and employees of government,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that that those who have an NI number (National Insurance Number) are in fact employees of the UK government and thus are bound by the statutes created by the UK government,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that it is lawful to abandon one’s NI number,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that human beings in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland have a right to revoke or deny consent to be represented and thus governed ,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that if anyone does revoke or deny consent they exist free of government control and statutory restraints,
and,

Whereas a Freeman-on-the-Land has lawfully revoked consent and does exist free of statutory restrictions, obligations, and limitations,
and,

Whereas I, firstname-secondname:sirname am a Freeman-on-the-Land,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that acting peacefully within community standards does not breach the peace,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that any action which ones can apply for and receive a license must itself be a fundamentally, lawful action,
and,

Whereas I am not a child,
and,

Whereas I am a peaceful human being,
and,

Whereas I am a Freeman-on-the-Land who operates with full responsibility, I do not see the need to ask permission to engage in lawful and peaceful activities, especially from those that claim limited liability,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that a by-law is defined as a rule of a corporation,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that corporations are legal fictions and require contracts in order to claim authority or control over other parties,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that legal fictions lack a soul and cannot exert any control over those who are thus blessed and operate with respect to that knowledge as only a fool would allow soulless fictions to dictate to ones actions,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that I have a right to use my property without having to pay for the use or enjoyment of it,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding that natural law is the permanent underlying basis of all law, and theories of natural law have been an important part of jurisprudence throughout legal history. Natural law is distinguished from positive law, which is the body of law imposed by the state. Natural law is both anterior and superior to positive law. Oxford Dictionary Of Law 5th Edition ISBN0-19-860756-3 page 326.

Whereas it is my understanding that Common Law which applies to all living souls is:
We are free to do what we please, as long as we do not infringe on the life, liberty,
property, or rights of another.

Whereas it is my understanding the United Kingdom is a common law jurisdiction, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that Parliament which has no lawful authority ever to
breach, surrender, lend or transfer (even temporarily) sovereignty except when conquered in war, and
Whereas I do firmly and truly believe the signing of European Union Lisbon Treaty is an overt act of treason, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that no one (neither Monarch, nor Prime Minister, nor any prelate, politician, judge or public servant) is above the Common Law of the United Kingdom that forms the British Constitution (including Magna Carta [1215], the Declaration and Bill of Rights [1688/89], Acts of Union, Succession and Settlement
[1701-07], the Coronation Oath Act [1689]).

Whereas it is my understanding equality before the law is paramount and mandatory, and,

Whereas it is my understanding a statute is defined as a legislated rule of society which has been given the force of law, and,

Whereas it is my understanding a society is defined as a number of people joined by
mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that for something to exist legally it must have a name, and,
Whereas it is my understanding the only form of government recognized as lawful in the United Kingdom is a representative one, and,

Whereas it is my understanding representation requires mutual consent, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that in the absence of mutual consent neither
representation nor governance can exist, and,

Whereas it is my understanding people in the United Kingdom have a right to revoke or
deny consent to be represented and thus governed, and,

Whereas it is my understanding if anyone does revoke or deny consent they exist free of government control and statutory restraints, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that a claim of right establishes a lawful excuse and that this factual truth is expressed by way of example in the Theft Act 1968 and the Criminal Damage Act 1971, where belief must be that the law creates and vests a
specific right to act in that way. In English law, a limited form of statutory offence is termed "claim of right". In
Chamberlain v Lindon [1998] 1 WLR 1252 [1] Lindon demolished a wall to protect a right-of-way, Despite allowing nine months
to pass before acting, Lindon honestly believed that it was immediately necessary to protect his legal rights without having
to resort to civil litigation. For the purposes of s5(2): it is not necessary to decide whether Lindon’s action was justified
as a matter of civil law. For the purpose of the criminal law, what matters is whether Lindon believed that his actions were reasonable, i.e. a subjective test.

Thus a "lawful excuse" may be acknowledged by a court to arise when a person honestly, even if mistakenly, believes that the actions are necessary and
reasonable, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that if one has lawful excuse one may choose to not obey a court, tribunal, statute, Act or order, and that this factual truth is expressed by way of example in the Theft Act 1968 and the Criminal Damage Act 1971 and,

Whereas it is my understanding that government does not clearly express that one may be charged for failure to obey a de facto government or court, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that all existing courts and governments are de facto only and not de jure, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that agreements made on behalf of the United Kingdom by traitors to the United Kingdom do not bind the people of the United Kingdom, and,

Whereas I honourably refuse to be bound by agreements made by traitors, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that any police officer who co-operates with foreign
armed troops to govern or regulate the population is also committing treason, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that historically the purpose of a national armed force was to ensure that foreign powers never invaded and governed under a force of arms, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that the existence of armed foreign troops patrolling and policing our streets is evidence of a war fought unsuccessfully, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that agreeing or conspiring to agree to allow armed
foreign troops to patrol and police our streets is an act of treason, and,

Whereas a flesh and blood man and blessed living Soul serving God alone, has lawfully revoked consent and does exist free of statutory restrictions, obligations, and limitations,
and,

Whereas I, firstname-secondname:sirname, am a flesh and blood man and blessed living Soul serving God alone, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that acting peacefully within community standards does not breach the peace, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that any action for which one can apply for and receive a license must itself be a fundamentally lawful action, and,

Whereas as I, not a child, am a flesh and blood man and blessed living Soul serving God alone, who operates with full responsibility and I do not see the need to ask permission to engage in lawful and peaceful activities, especially from those who claim limited liability,
and,

Whereas it is my understanding a bye-law is defined as a rule of a corporation or corporate body, and,

Whereas it is my understanding corporations are legal fictions and require contracts in order to claim authority or control over other parties, and,

Whereas it is my understanding legal fictions lack a soul and cannot exert any control over those who are thus blessed and operate with respect to that knowledge as only a fool would allow soulless fictions to dictate ones actions, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that I can use a public notary, or any authorised officer of a court, to perform duties found under any act thus they have the power to hold court and hear evidence and issue binding lawful judgements, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that a public notary, or any authorised officer of a court, can also be used to bring criminal charges to bear against traitors, even if they hold the highest office, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that I have a right to use my property without having to pay for the use or enjoyment of it, and,

Whereas I claim the right to claim, collect, receive or be paid any pension if I have paid into it, or am otherwise entitled to, and claim that said right is not affected by anything I do, if I abandon my National Insurance Number and,

Whereas it is my understanding that a summons is merely an invitation to attend and the ones issued by any court creates no obligation or dishonour if ignored, and,

Whereas it is my understanding police officers or peace officers who attempt to enforce statutes against Freeman-on-the-Land, a flesh and blood man and blessed living Soul serving God alone, are in fact breaking the law, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that I have the power to refuse intercourse or interaction with police officers or peace officers who have not observed me breach the peace, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that permanent estoppel by acquiescence barring any police officer or prosecutor from bringing charges against a Freeman-on–the Land, flesh and blood man and blessed living Soul serving God alone, under any Act is created if this claim is not responded to in the stated fashion and time, and

Whereas it is my understanding that the common law right to travel on the highways
without license provided we are not engaging in commerce thereupon is lawful and still exists although it does appear to have been deceptively hidden, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that if the police are not providing a service they have no reason to stop any one, and if proof of insurance and license is not valuable they have no need to ask for it, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that I have the right to refuse to interact or co-operate with criminals, de facto government agents or grossly negligent police officers, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that if I have the power to appoint directly or by proxy I must have the power to fulfil those duties myself, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that the Police although having an illustrious history has had members recently acting in a grossly criminal manner which does tarnish the previous history and record, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that the Law provides remedy at all times, even against rogue or negligent police officers and de facto governments apparently hijacked by soulless corporate interests, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that the act of registering the birth of a baby m mcreates a legal entity called a “person” that exists in association with that baby and that the manner in which offspring are registered transfers superior guardianship rights over that offspring to the government, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that this creation of a person and transfer of authority is not fully disclosed to the parents and if it was, all good parents would refuse to register their offspring, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that the person and the human being to which it is
associated are two very separate and different things and that the people playing roles in government only have the right to act upon the person, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that if I do not exist in association with a person I cannot be lawfully governed by the people playing roles in government, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that I firstname-secondname:sirname have since birth registration been used as surety for the legal fiction “XXXXX XXXXXXXX".

Whereas it is my understanding that I can and do now take charge of my legal fiction “XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX” and I
firstname-secondname:sirname now act as the legal fiction “XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX” 3rd party agent, and

Whereas it is my understanding that I am not obliged to obey the orders of any one
claiming to be acting on behalf of Queen or King, as no one who does make claims that abandon and erode the concept of equality has any authority over me, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that the Bible warns all players and actors of de facto courts “judge not lest you be judged”, and it is my understanding that the people in the government are merely playing roles.

Whereas it is my understanding that clause 39 “No freeman shall be arrested or
imprisoned or disseised or outlawed or exiled or in any way victimised, neither will we
attack him or send anyone to attack him, except by the lawful judgement of his peers or
by the law of the land", and clause 40 "To no-one will we refuse or delay right or justice”,
of the original Magna Carta 1215 are still in effect, and that the expression
"law of the land" shall mean Common Law.


Therefore be it now known to any and all interested, concerned or affected parties, that I, firstname-secondname:sirname am a freeman and do hereby serve notice and state clearly specifically and unequivocally my intent to peacefully and lawfully exist free of all statutory obligations, restrictions and that I maintain all rights at law to trade, exchange or barter and exist without deceptive governance and to do so without limitations, restrictions or regulations created by others and without my consent.

Furthermore, I claim that these actions are not outside my communities’ standards and will in fact support said community in our desire for truth and maximum freedom.

Furthermore, I claim the right to engage in these actions and further claim that all property held by me is held under a claim of right.

Furthermore, I claim the right to lawfully:

(1) Exercise my “common law right to travel”, unhindered, unencumbered, at my discretion in my private conveyance of the day, to wit, my private, unregistered, unlicensed automobile.
(2) Exercise my God given right to travel as stated in the Queen’s bible.


I claim that pursuant to any action by any government and/or any principal, member, employee, agent, servant, person thereof in Right of Great Britain, a province, a municipality:

Furthermore, I claim the right to use the force that I deem appropriate to protect my property, thus preventing any other person claiming the right to use force or violence in regard to my property.

Furthermore, I claim the right to use the force that I deem appropriate to protect my physical body in all circumstances, thus preventing any other person claiming the right to use force or violence in regard to my physical body.

Furthermore, I claim the right to refuse to supply an intimate or non-intimate sample of DNA and Fingerprints for any purpose, without my written and notarised consent.

Furthermore, I claim that the courts in the United Kingdom are de-facto and bound by the Law and I further claim they require the consent of both parties prior to providing any such services.

Furthermore, I claim that anyone who interferes with my lawful activities after having
been served notice of this claim and who fails to properly dispute or make lawful
counterclaim, cannot claim good faith or colour of right and that such transgressions will be dealt with in a properly convened court in full public view.

Furthermore, I claim all transactions of security interests require the consent of both
parties.

Furthermore, I claim my FEE SCHEDULE for any transgressions by police officers,
government principals or agents or justice system participants is
FIVE HUNDRED BRITISH POUNDS STERLING PER HOUR or portion thereof if being questioned, interrogated or in any way detained, harassed or otherwise regulated and
TWO THOUSAND BRITISH POUNDS STERLING PER HOUR or portion thereof if I am handcuffed, transported, incarcerated, regulated or subjected to any adjudication process without my express written and notarised consent.

Furthermore, I claim the right to respond with any order made by a court over or against my person against my wishes and without my express written and notarised consent will generate a bill that will be submitted to the court for immediate payment.

Furthermore, I claim the right to use a declaratory judgement, or statutory declaration or warrant, to secure payment of the aforementioned
FEE SCHEDULE OR BILL FOR ORDER ISSUED IN COURT against any transgressors who by their actions or omissions harm me or my interests, directly or by proxy in any way.

Furthermore, I claim the right to convene a proper court de jure in order to address any potentially criminal actions of any police officers, government officials, principals or agents or justice system participants who, having been served notice of this claim fail to dispute or discuss or make lawful counterclaim and then interfere by act or omission with the lawful exercise of properly claimed and established rights and freedoms.

Furthermore, I claim the law of agent and principal applies and that service upon one is service upon both.

Furthermore, I claim the right to deal with any counterclaims or disputes publicly and in an open forum using discussion and negotiation and to capture on video tape said discussion and negotiation for whatever lawful purpose as I see fit. Affected parties wishing to dispute the claims made herein, or make their own counterclaims must respond appropriately within TEN (10) days of service of notice of this action. Responses must be under Oath or attestation, upon full commercial liability and penalty of perjury and received via registered mail at the address herein provided, no later than TEN (10) days from the date of original service as dated by way of Royal Mail recorded delivery service.

Failure to register a dispute against the claims made herein will result in an automatic default judgement and permanent and irrevocable estoppel by acquiescence barring the bringing of charges under any statute, act or regulation against myself, Freeman-on-the-Land firstname-secondname:sirname, for exercising these lawful and properly established rights, freedoms and duties.

Place of Claim of Right:
XXXXXXXXXXXX, Newcastle upon Tyne, England
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Dated: 29st. November 2008

Noterised signature by Notary Public in Newcastle.

Freeman-on-the-Land firstname-secondname:sirname

[dondaz]

i'm not the expert here, but my understanding is that when dealing with enforcement officers, judges and what not, your first priority is usually to not enter into contract with them, which is achieved by disassociating your self from your legal (ALL CAPS) fiction.
maritime / commercial law only binds the all-caps fiction, so they need you to confirm your name and birth date in order for them to hold any kind of jurisdiction, if you don't confirm these details and you make it clear that you are acting lawfully and are not willing to contract with them, they (apparently) can't do squat.

of course, an offence under common law would be a different matter, but if you're a good person you needn't worry!

That's exactly what it is about mate. Do not contract with them under any circumstances. Their deceptions in the courtrooms are legendary, be on your guard at all times. You have to think as a Sovereign in order to be a Sovereign.

[pdcdp]

i have pulled together the final info i needed to serve my notice, others have certainly picked up some new ideas to research....

if you don't have a credible reason to diss this subject then nobody will care what kind of negative slur you put on it.

who could possibly argue that this is a fundamentally, morally and sociologically "right" concept to spread to those who can face the real responsibility of a life of freedom?

what's your agenda?:confused:

[pdcdp]

Some interesting discussions on the subject here and examples to download.

http://www.tpuc.org/commercialredemption/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7

I borrowed a copy one chap had done and I wondered if Rob could look it over and see if it makes sense.

[/B]

dude, if you don't know then don't serve it. nobody can tell you it's fine to use, you have to understand what is written and how to use it.

read it through, check out some videos, you'll feel a lot more confident when you begin to understand, and it's really not that hard when you think about it;)

easy!

[1694]

mate if ur an aussie ip comes different each day

IPs can also be spoofed, or a proxy used. A pic from Rob with the newspaper of the day would be the best proof. Maybe a short youtube video saying hi to everyone on DI with a few jokes, or alteast some clever puns would be cool.

[helpus]

yeah it would, unfortunatly your full of shit.. so the race will no further forward


DISINFO?

[rob menard]

ihaul,
I always suggest that you use a NUI that you do understand. It is not a form, which you are not obliged to understand. Either it makes sense to you or not. Those parts that don't either learn or take them out. Using someone else's understanding will not empower you, and if questioned on any point which yo included but can not articulate then your whole claim falls apart.

helpus, sorry that you do not believe what I know. I am me, and if you did not learn anything, sorry for you. Peace eh?

Rob

PS- Cops do not appreciate you playing 'Slug Bug' with them.

[pdcdp]

i think theres a strong enough influence in his writing style to suggest that this is rob. at the very least it may be somebody who knows his work extremely well, right down to the lame punnery....

EDIT - see above post from rob, and even if it weren't him it's still good advice, innit?

[helpus]

slept on it,woke on it

don't believe it

[yozhik]

fuk me yozhik is here to answer all



same old same old circle

1. the opinion on also serving the EU Govt. with the NOU and COR was worthwhile.

2. The opinion that the trustees could vote your bond away was also particularly relevant.

... to name just two.

So, yes. There was useful information.
Am I not entitled to express an opinion on a question asked in a forum without getting slated for it?

[rob menard]

yeah it would, unfortunatly your full of shit.. so the race will no further forward


DISINFO?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wum1Xwd-I2w

Wait till its processed, then you be nice.

Rob

PS- Chocolate milk does not work as a substitute for white in Hollandaise sauce.

[1694]

i think theres a strong enough influence in his writing style to suggest that this is rob. at the very least it may be somebody who knows his work extremely well, right down to the lame punnery....

EDIT - see above post from rob, and even if it weren't him it's still good advice, innit?

Robs video puns always made me smile, even if I didn't laugh I appreciated them.

[friendsinthesky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wum1Xwd-I2w

Wait till its processed, then you be nice.

Rob

PS- Chocolate milk does not work as a substitute for white in Hollandaise sauce.

PissMyPants again! That is classic.:D

[pdcdp]

slept on it,woke on it

don't believe it

OH WELL... if you've slept on it you must be some kind of expert, sorry rob i'm on this guys side now!:p

try putting 50+ hours of research in and then tell me it doesn't have legs!

[pdcdp]

PissMyPants again! That is classic.:D
LMAO!! that was genius!
just one thing...
there is no white in hollandaise sauce- just yolks, butter and acid.
so yes, i guess choc milk wouldn't work.....:D

[1694]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wum1Xwd-I2w

Wait till its processed, then you be nice.

Rob

PS- Chocolate milk does not work as a substitute for white in Hollandaise sauce.

How old are you then? ;)

( I did asked for a pun)

[friendsinthesky]

erm....
there is no white in hollandaise sauce- just yolks, butter and acid.
so yes, i guess choc milk wouldn't work.....:D

Yes, I've made the sauce many times, but it's the video that got me wet.:D

Edit: it's ok, I saw your edit. (but now, the other skeptics can move along)

[helpus]

no way 1694, yozhik and Rob can relpy within four minutes of each other...


rumbled

great subject, shit people involved

[pdcdp]

.:D
;):D

[rob menard]

LMAO!! that was genius!
just one thing...
there is no white in hollandaise sauce- just yolks, butter and acid.
so yes, i guess choc milk wouldn't work.....:D

We must be using a different packaged brand.

Rob

[friendsinthesky]

no way 1694, yozhik and Rob can relpy within four minutes of each other...


rumbled

great subject, shit people involved

If shit is handled correctly, it can be turned into something pleasant, like compost for the garden, you now , it helps it grow and mature. Just like the shit that comes from your mouth, we can turn it into compost, do you follow!

[yozhik]

no way 1694, yozhik and Rob can relpy within four minutes of each other...

rumbled

great subject, shit people involved

You complain about the thread having worthless information.
You complain about shit people being involved.
You falsely accuse Rob of not being Rob.

Is there anything POSITIVE you have contributed to making this thread of a higher quality?

:(

[1694]

no way 1694, yozhik and Rob can relpy within four minutes of each other...


rumbled

great subject, shit people involved

Mate it looked pretty like him to me, and if is him have a "ship" load of questions for him (probably enough to get me another ticking off but the thread title contains "How may I help?"

[1694]

To start at the beginning then.

Rob how come in the UK you are a person from 16 weeks after conception even as a foetus in the womb long before any birth certificate was created or signed.

Is your person person, different to your PERSON PERSON of your birthcertificate, if so why? If statutes can apply to a person already what is the advantage?

[size_of_light]

The Freeman topic seems to have generated a lot of interest on the forum and anyone who's passionate about it should make a continual effort to play the ball and not the man.

[helpus]

You complain about the thread having worthless information.
You complain about shit people being involved.
You falsely accuse Rob of not being Rob.

Is there anything POSITIVE you have contributed to making this thread of a higher quality?

:(

yep,i will contribute and stop being so paranoid* maybe

movie doc's (http://www.movie-forumz.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45)

now what?

[rob menard]

Mate it looked pretty like him to me, and if is him have a "ship" load of questions for him (probably enough to get me another ticking off but the thread title contains "How may I help?"

And... I look more like me then any one I know.
Honest.

Happy to help, although I find it difficult to pun on demand.

Hee Hee.
I said 'pun'...

Rob

[pdcdp]

EDIT- removed to avoid misenterpretation

[helpus]

OMG!!! Is this really going to happen...?

tonight....

one night only....

1694 VS ROB MENARD!!!!

ONLY ON DAVIDICKE.COM

this could be really interesting.....;)

search engine propaganda :)

[simplify]

You know, I was just thinking the same thing.

I will bring it up to admin and mods

A new form of accupuncture there on your avatar's face.....:D

[boots]

To start at the beginning then.

Rob how come in the UK you are a person from 16 weeks after conception even as a foetus in the womb long before any birth certificate was created or signed.

Is your person person, different to your PERSON PERSON of your birthcertificate, if so why? If statutes can apply to a person already what is the advantage?


*sigh* you must be pretty thick.

The word PERSON is never used in any context, be it natural or artificial, as soon as you start to use those words, your using the words of the legal system. THAT WOULD BE YOUR DOWNFALL.


What this shit about foetus? It's got nothing to do with standing on your own two feet and no judge would use that in court anyway.

The whole point of it is not to be part of the "Public" terminology and by locking onto the word person as you continually do. Is beyond me.:rolleyes:


What don't you comprehend?????????


.

[rob menard]

Re: The Person

A 'person' is the legal subject of which rights and duties are attributes. These rights and duties can and do change as the relationship changes.

An unborn child of one who is a ward of the state can be seen as a person, if they are deemed as having rights and someone else accepts the duty to protect those rights. (I AM NOT getting into that argument here)

At birth you have one set of rights, and you exchange those for the other set when you get a BC. You still have a person, but the rights and duties have changed. This happens again when you apply for and receive a National Insurance Number. One human being, three different sets of rights and duties, all of them evidencing a 'person'. Not all persons are equal.

Hope that helps a bit.

Rob

PS- A frog can't swallow with it's eyes open.

[rob menard]

The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity.
--Ellen Parr

The intelligent are never bored.
--My Dad

Good thing your keyboard works and there are so many other places for you to go to keep your attention. Here's a link for you www.somethingshiny.com

Rob

[boots]

Re: The Person

A 'person' is the legal subject of which rights and duties are attributes. These rights and duties can and do change as the relationship changes.

An unborn child of one who is a ward of the state can be seen as a person, if they are deemed as having rights and someone else accepts the duty to protect those rights. (I AM NOT getting into that argument here)

At birth you have one set of rights, and you exchange those for the other set when you get a BC. You still have a person, but the rights and duties have changed. This happens again when you apply for and receive a National Insurance Number. One human being, three different sets of rights and duties, all of them evidencing a 'person'. Not all persons are equal.

Hope that helps a bit.

Rob

PS- A frog can't swallow with it's eyes open.


All right Rob. I would have to disagree with the context of that statement, because from what I comprehend, I was born, as a boy and then grew into manhood, well still am:)

My Question is. Why not use the term Man or Women when talking to cops judges? That way you can break the presumption that you are one of there's, a person. Which is a legal definition for human being.


boots.


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[i_am]

RIGHT!!

I Have cleaned up the last round of nonsense and retaliation.

Play nice and stay ON TOPIC.

This is a subject many want to learn more about so please leave out the personalities and personality clashes.

Thanks all

Humour is good :D

Agro and paranoia is bad, mmmkay??

[helpus]

i will play nice.. it's a very important topic, i will not however accept on face value someone who claims to be someone else.


i have had three posts deleted for not believing who this rob claims to be... there was no swearing or abuse or anything other than disbelief in my posts....

yet they have been deleted...

tut tut

[i_am]

i will play nice.. it's a very important topic, i will not however accept on face value someone who claims to be someone else.


i have had three posts deleted for not believing who this rob claims to be... there was no swearing or abuse or anything other than disbelief in my posts....

yet they have been deleted...

tut tut

Well seeing as I have stated that posts have been deleted, I will not delete or penalise you for discussing moderation on the forums, on this ocassion....see forum guidelines.

If you have doubts as to the authenticity of someone, then I suggest that instead of making comments about apendages on heads, that you do some research on the person you are accusing and come up with a vey good reason as to why you believe they are not they.

[helpus]

thanks for not penalising me.. wtf is going on around here?

this thread deserves it's own disinfo thread...

[rob menard]

thanks for not penalising me.. wtf is going on around here?

this thread deserves it's own disinfo thread...

I am very curious as to why you find it so hard to believe that I would be me and here. I am just a dude..
Rob

[rob menard]

I did not say to use person when talking to cops and judges I was looking at the concept of person and how it describes a relationship and as the relationship changes so to do the rights and duties.

Rob

PS - I am going to bed now. See you all in the morning. First however I will prove I am who I say I am.
Underwater Lesbian Poetry Reading Frozen Turkey Plucking Midget Wrestler.
There. Settled.

:D

[helpus]

I am very curious as to why you find it so hard to believe that I would be me and here. I am just a dude..
Rob


really? curious? the minute you spill the beans instead of pandering to your ego, is the minute i will stop and listen

Rob... look i wrote rob

[rob menard]

really? curious? the minute you spill the beans instead of pandering to your ego, is the minute i will stop and listen

Rob... look i wrote rob

What beans and what makes you think I am pandering to my ego? Trying to help is pandering to ones ego? Are you a purposeful disrupter?

Rob

[helpus]

mate, whoever you are, you are asking and also the mods are asking, that i take you for your word. why would i do that? i could create a username of george bush, does that mean i am george bush?

i know this is one of the most important topics known or yet unknown to man..

instead of chatting shite, you could give us the details

and free us all from slavery..

you want me to be nice, when you skirt around the edges?

give it up

[i_am]

mate, whoever you are, you are asking and also the mods are asking, that i take you for your word. why would i do that? i could create a username of george bush, does that mean i am george bush?

i know this is one of the most important topics known or yet unknown to man..

instead of chatting shite, you could give us the details

and free us all from slavery..

you want me to be nice, when you skirt around the edges?

give it up

NO!!! I did not ask you to take anyone at their word, I said to do your own investigation. It is not hard.

Perhaps If you stopped with the unfounded accusations, then perhaps someone would have a chance to address the subject at hand.

[rob menard]

Know yourself.
We are Equal.
They are just people.
What else do you want to know?

There is more technical things of course, but I am only familiar with some Canadian statutes and the Common Law so I am no where near as confident speaking to the UK system as I am the Canadian one, but I know there are similarities.

Have you watched Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception, The Magnificent Deception, With Lawful Excuse, Security of the Person and my newest one Demockery? I am giving it up, have been for ages, and now must sit here and type out what took me hours to speak?

Ask specific questions I will do my best to answer. 'Give it up' is not something I even know how to respond to. You assume I have information which I do not share or keep close to my chest, and with the exception of strategy of my own actions, I do not do so.

Rob

[boots]

mate, whoever you are, you are asking and also the mods are asking, that i take you for your word. why would i do that? i could create a username of george bush, does that mean i am george bush?

i know this is one of the most important topics known or yet unknown to man..

instead of chatting shite, you could give us the details

and free us all from slavery..

you want me to be nice, when you skirt around the edges?

give it up


Use the information.:rolleyes: In the end does it really matter, if his say who he says he is? as time goes by, if he is not who he say's he is then, he will be found out. But I doubt it as lesactive seems certain and he is switched on.

But for now this thread has more logical response than the previous one because it was disrupted from people, Just like you.


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[helpus]

rob can you provide everyone interested in the details of how to achieve freeman status?

[boots]

I did not say to use person when talking to cops and judges I was looking at the concept of person and how it describes a relationship and as the relationship changes so to do the rights and duties.

Rob

PS - I am going to bed now. See you all in the morning. First however I will prove I am who I say I am.
Underwater Lesbian Poetry Reading Frozen Turkey Plucking Midget Wrestler.
There. Settled.

:D


When you can, Rob. Could you answer.

Does it matter if the rights and duties change as it pertains to the Freeman status? Because I'm of the assumption thaT AS FREEMEN WE SHOULD DEAL ONLY ON THE SIDE OF "PRIVATE" AND NOT "PUBLIC" sorry had the caps lock on not shouting.

Have you heard of a guy called Mark Pytellek??



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[boots]

rob can you provide everyone interested in the details of how to achieve freeman status?

What are you stupid or drunk mate. Please tell us as you like to DISCUSS things on the forum:rolleyes:

Thanks for fucking up the thread.


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[helpus]

What are you stupid or drunk mate. Please tell us as you like to DISCUSS things on the forum:rolleyes:

Thanks for fucking up the thread.


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yeah im drunk and stupid, would you like to hand out a fixed penalty notice for those things?

i have not fucked up the thread, i'm just wary of people. i think that is natural for a forum like this.

sorry if i ask questions where you fail to...

over to rob, set the world free, i can't handle not knowing...

[helpus]

i think this is the biggest thing ever to happen, and i will not subscribe to false prophets...

fair enough?

rob, i want to believe...

[cheeney1]

yeah im drunk and stupid, would you like to hand out a fixed penalty notice for those things?

i have not fucked up the thread, i'm just wary of people. i think that is natural for a forum like this.

sorry if i ask questions where you fail to...

over to rob, set the world free, i can't handle not knowing...

possibly not Stupid Obviously Pissed, as you have stated what are you wary of, are you frightened of learning something NEW

Give it ago you might learn something :D

[lesactive]

rob can you provide everyone interested in the details of how to achieve freeman status?

Rob (if this is you I think I am) I believe s/he wants it point form, with intralinear definitive annotations specific to her/his political jurisdiction with examples of legal forms (cuz this shite's just sitting there waiting for you to sign off on) .... with sugar on top.... and a cherry.... a new car .... oh what the hey, build this helplus guy a house while you're at it, just don't let go of his hand.

But seriously Rob, it is pretty egotistical of you to concentrate solely on one nation's labyrinthine statutes. Where's that magnanimous spirit gone? Sure you've shown thousands of Canadians that there was a door, a HUGE door that's tough to see because of its transparency but think of it: Canada today, tomorrow...the WORLD inc. ! Shouldn't take more than a few decades, tops! I expect you'll get right on that too.

helpus- try taking what Rob teaches through his seminars and apply and expand on them in regard to your situation. He's not going to do your work for you. Listen well, learn well, adapt. Take the LSAT's.

[tien an]

Hi Rob,

thank you very much for dropping in.

I have two questions in particular (hundreds otherwise):

1. Does a Freeman's (immediate) family have to declare themselves freemen/women, or can that be done through the Claim of Right? Any particularities with regards children?

2. I assume that having declared myself a Freeman, I'd have to surrender my passport...(it's got HER name on it). The problem is, I really like to travel, even if it is just a quick jaunt over to France for the weekend.
How does a freeman get around that problem?

Thanks in advance.

[gordonfreeman]

I am a Free-Man. :D :p

[i_am]

I am a Free-Man. :D :p


http://www.forumsextreme.com/imgs1/sSig_indeed.gif

:D

[krakhead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wum1Xwd-I2w

Genius, pure genius. :D

Amazing what they can do with CGI these days! ;)

:p

[signalnorth]

May I suggest a new sub-forum on davidicke.com be created to deal with Freeman-on-the-land concepts and any other peaceful approaches/solutions to overcoming the various forms of government deception we see in the world today?..

Just a thought;)

Here here!

[wise haven]

Some people here have got it, some haven't.....

After a long time researching this subject the penny finally dropped.....the whole point about being a Freeman, Sovereign, or whatever is that you don't have to do things the way that the PTB want you to - You are the top man or woman.............you don't ask permission to use your rights - you tell them you are claiming your rights.

Do I ask my children what time I should send them to bed?

It is as much about mindset as it is understanding the legal technicalities - For the first time you will be a real adult.....being responsible for yourself and not handing part of that responsibility to government (your child)when it gets too tough.

Remember, don't sit around waiting for someone to hand the freeman key on a plate - put in some effort to understand it yourself. People like Rob have paved the way for you and will be happy if you stand on their shoulders and use what they have learnt - but the first lesson in becoming a freeman is that you are responsible for yourself.........and others ain't gonna carry you forever.

:D

[signalnorth]

Rob, great to have you on board, you are a very funny and seemingly very well informed man on all this.

Here's a question then. How quickly is the freeman on the land movement developing in Canada and is it anywhere near a point that the media will find hard to ignore?

Going sideways a little......A little bit of research by people on this forum here recently seems to be showing that authorites are often suggesting that acts of legisaltion demand you must do this or that (I'm thinking Representaion of The Peoples Act here in the UK for example which we are told includes a fine for non completion of the registration forms) ) when in fact the legislation says nothing of the sort.

Obvioulsy this is being done with mind that very very few people indeed will take the time to take an act apart to see if this is in fact the case! How widespread do you think this prcatice might be?



Keep up the good work!

[bobfunkhouse]

Very interesting thread , thanks for all the great info and having the foresight and courage to do something revolutionary , if i was still in the U.K. i would probably be in the process myself.
One question , has anyone successfully travelled to and entered a 'foreign' country as a freeman ? if so what happened ? did you get diplomatic immunity ? or have to go through the whole process again in a foreign system ?

Cheers.

[griswald]

How many of the posters on this thread that support the freeman concept have actually followed this through to the final conclusion, and how has this benefitted them on a personal basis.

As i am very early in my learning curve , I,m obviously still understanding it. I,ve seen a lot of posts here from seemingly knowledgeable folk that have actually researched it over a long period of time, but very few of the 170+ posts that say yes I am a freeman.

The novices questions here, I imagine , will be along the line of, " I have a mortgage, can I still get out of the system" ect.
This does not reflect my position by the way, as I have none.

From a personal objective view, I see a lot of discussion that flies over the head of the novice, but very little of any info that says " this was my experience, and how I started along the road" ect

I think that this thread may develop into a high brow discussion on issues further down the road of freemanship, rather than " help" to get going.

Be gentle with me please.

I will personally continue to empower myself with any knowledge on the subject, and I thank Rob for being here. I,ve downloaded a lot of the videos on the subject, and have seen some of them, and will be soaking up the rest in the next couple of days.

griswald (trainee freeman)

[wise haven]

BTW - Good to see you here and a big, big thanks to you Rob.

Thanks for Solsbury Hill, it reminded me of where I used to be.

Peace for your heart Bud!

[danster82]

Person comes from the Latin word Persona meaning an actor in a play or literally translated as "mask" that's why everyone is a person because we all wear mask's even when we are not engaged in commerce.

Like Shakespeare said all the world is a play.. he wasnt joking.

[lhaull]

one question, is it 100% required to have a notary sign or can you submit the notice without it?

not sure if this has been posted or not...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ft_Qbx84rw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD7vDN6l9IM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU5-Mpq5-8M

[lhaull]

ihaul,
I always suggest that you use a NUI that you do understand. It is not a form, which you are not obliged to understand. Either it makes sense to you or not. Those parts that don't either learn or take them out. Using someone else's understanding will not empower you, and if questioned on any point which yo included but can not articulate then your whole claim falls apart.

helpus, sorry that you do not believe what I know. I am me, and if you did not learn anything, sorry for you. Peace eh?

Rob

PS- Cops do not appreciate you playing 'Slug Bug' with them.

Yeah, I have begun to get some research done, lots of youtube and forum reading.
I will take the time to compose my own and make sure I understand it completely.

Many thanks.

[seanie]

So the basic idea is to disassociate you flesh and blood self from your corporate entity, i have been looking into this on and off for the last
couple of months, i'm from ireland and i was wondering is the magna carta applicable in ireland,

the way i see it is if we can just one person in every region freeman
status then the rest can follow, from then it will be exponential we can all follow
in their footsteps, there's enough of us here we can help each other

great tread by the way very interesting subject, i have
sent the link on to my friends, welcome to the forum rob, good to have
you hear.

[malvern]

great post...... you are not 1694 that's for shore ......

welcome Robert of the Menard Family... and thank you for your time helping the UK understand ... love your work...... it has allowed me to see so much more and take hold of my understanding of who i am .... we are all free, it's just letting the others understand that you undserstand that you are free.



freedom is the grandchildren... we are the caretakers

[terrorble1]

Its a great idea but the way society is structured I'd starve to death if I did it, what are you supposed to live on? food stamps?

Freeman and homeless go hand in hand, there is barely a difference, without access to money in this current situation, your fucked and youll be forced to live on the street, I see no other way out of the prison other than to become a bum, lol.

[yozhik]

Some people here have got it, some haven't.....

After a long time researching this subject the penny finally dropped.....the whole point about being a Freeman, Sovereign, or whatever is that you don't have to do things the way that the PTB want you to - You are the top man or woman.............you don't ask permission to use your rights - you tell them you are claiming your rights.

Do I ask my children what time I should send them to bed?

It is as much about mindset as it is understanding the legal technicalities - For the first time you will be a real adult.....being responsible for yourself and not handing part of that responsibility to government (your child)when it gets too tough.

Remember, don't sit around waiting for someone to hand the freeman key on a plate - put in some effort to understand it yourself. People like Rob have paved the way for you and will be happy if you stand on their shoulders and use what they have learnt - but the first lesson in becoming a freeman is that you are responsible for yourself.........and others ain't gonna carry you forever.

:D

This is a really nice, simple yet concise way of putting it :)
Thank you

[goldman]

mate, whoever you are, you are asking and also the mods are asking, that i take you for your word. why would i do that? i could create a username of george bush, does that mean i am george bush?

i know this is one of the most important topics known or yet unknown to man..

instead of chatting shite, you could give us the details

and free us all from slavery..

you want me to be nice, when you skirt around the edges?

give it up


You didn't even took the time to read ALL posts, I did, I read all posts in a thread otherwise I don't know what the hell I talk about. If you did that also you saw that Rob posted a video proving it was him.

I guess you just blew your own cover here, for what you really are. Why does it take 5 pages explaining your ideas making the thread muddy for people who have real QUESTIONS for Rob. Please leave this thread alone for people who are really interested. And don't bother to comment on me in order to trigger more responses from me, because I won't reply. If you want, PM me your thoughts and we can go from there.

IMHO the mods maybe a little more dominant in this thread, and you also just ignored a warning from 2 mods already. Good luck, and keep it happy. :)

Back on topic please? :o thanks, I felt that was necessary evil. Please continue since I am mostly lurking this thread. :)


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[duckingdafta]

great post...... you are not 1694 that's for shore ......



The spelling alone would tell you that in the first few postings... :D

[bobfunkhouse]

A few more q's ,

1. What happens if ,as your own self governing sovreign , you start to behave in a way which contravenes 'their' rules ? In theory they would have no right to arrest you as you are outside 'their' juridstiction , but in practice you'd likely be either arrested or sectioned and questions asked later( if my experience of what passes for policing in the U.K. is anything to go by) , and that would be a headache and huge waste of time to say the very least.

2. What happens if other 'freemen' decide to get together and take your property / threaten your life or your family's ? You'd be completely responsible for your own security in a dog eat dog scenario.

Obviously it's unlikely that using good judgement and peacefully going about your business you'd encounter either situation but it could happen. Look forward to your repsonse!

[1694]

The spelling alone would tell you that in the first few postings... :D

Two troo.

http://uk.youtube.com/user/mrmitee

More than 2 years planning went into this troll job just to cause a stirr on DI :rolleyes:

[duckingdafta]

Two troo.

http://uk.youtube.com/user/mrmitee

More than 2 years planning went into this troll job just to cause a stirr on DI :rolleyes:

what if I was to tell you I believe the poster above this quoted one is tracker in disguise... after all, he as only made 3 post to date....would it matter?

[lhaull]

Sliding off topic too fast. Where were we?
Oh my yes. Freeman on the land.

[1694]

Re: The Person

A 'person' is the legal subject of which rights and duties are attributes. These rights and duties can and do change as the relationship changes.

An unborn child of one who is a ward of the state can be seen as a person, if they are deemed as having rights and someone else accepts the duty to protect those rights. (I AM NOT getting into that argument here)

At birth you have one set of rights, and you exchange those for the other set when you get a BC. You still have a person, but the rights and duties have changed. This happens again when you apply for and receive a National Insurance Number. One human being, three different sets of rights and duties, all of them evidencing a 'person'. Not all persons are equal.

Hope that helps a bit.

Rob

PS- A frog can't swallow with it's eyes open.

This is the only way I thought the claims could be attempted.

The idea of revoking your person completely and staking the status of a man gives you the same footing as the sub 16 week feotus....no rights whatsover, natural law is in force, you are property of whoever can excert their will over you, if your one bad mo fo and no one can fair doos but your on your own. In the foetus example, your mother can kill you. If she were to kill you after 16 weeks as you are a person and it is murder.

So a baby who has not yet got a birth certificate is not protected by statutes? If they were to be killed at this point by a statutory crime eg "Causing death by dangerious driving" in which a person only caused an accident with their driving but never actually harmed the baby or impacted the car the baby was traveling in would the mother be able to hold the other driver to account?

Or from the other way around, if a baby were to break a statute before its birth cert would it be accountable?

Could a baby with no birth certificate yet, fresh out the womb, be used for tax employment purposes?

(This also got me thinking, is there a way to use a sub 16 week foetus for tax employment? A non person can have possessions surly, even if they have no legal right to protect them, natural law tells us that if you have something it is yours untill it is taken off you. If the property is attributed to the sub 16 week baby and it is not contested can you pull off some accounting jiggery pokery?)

[malvern]

as you are a person and it is murder.


once again you show your lack of research... " the external elements of murder and manslaughter are the unlawful killing of a human being who was within the Queen's Peace where the death occurred within a year and a day of the last act done by the accussed to the victim"

do i need to go on...? there was nothing on the person in the law....HUMAN BEING can clearly be seen.LOL


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[Mo0n5tar]

Greetings Rob great to see you on the board, I have been following your work over the past few months and it's great to see someone so empowered by knowledge and fulfilling their potential!

Got a couple of questions here,

Being currently a UK citizen, I am subject to various acts and statutes which are highly illogical and un-natural, they deem certain medicinal herbs illegal, seek to limit my right to defend myself and make it hard to acquire a freeholding/shelter.

I wonder if being a Freeman one would have to encounter such illogicality as making natural plants against the "law", in your opinion would an Officer of the Police Force be able to stop a Freeman from growing certain medicinal herbal strains?

Also being a Freeman, would an Englishman once again be at liberty to defend himself in his home through the purchasing and use of firearms for security, could these means be used against any government agents, operating in dishonour and aggressively towards you?

Finally, as a Freeman on the land, what is the best way of going about acquiring shelter, for a Citizen in my position the only option is State/Council housing, which requires application and use of the Legal Person to obtain this State given right?

I have read about people claiming coordinates, and taking this up with the Queen in an Affidavit, or incorporated into a NUI, from your perspective, if you were a young man currently seeking permanent abode how would you do it?

Thank you for taking the time to offer some insights into your incredibly interesting study!

Peas be upon you;)

[yozhik]

1694 ... I'll ask the questions I am always drawn to when having to endure your random, illogical hypotheses ...

what is your point?
what is the outcome you are driving to?

[duckingdafta]

1694 ... I'll ask the questions I am always drawn to when having to endure your random, illogical hypotheses ...

what is your point?
what is the outcome you are driving to?

was he driving?... I thought it was a foetus driving and wanted to know it's human rights. :D

[tien an]

Its a great idea but the way society is structured I'd starve to death if I did it, what are you supposed to live on? food stamps?

Freeman and homeless go hand in hand, there is barely a difference, without access to money in this current situation, your fucked and youll be forced to live on the street, I see no other way out of the prison other than to become a bum, lol.

I disagree; as a freeman, you can still negotiate your own contracts. Use your imagination a little...Run the scene through your mind of re-negotiating your contract with your employer...you're 'self-employed' now. (I'm sure he'll be interested in paying you the same as the other workers...minus tax and NI.)

[pdcdp]

Got a couple of questions here

yo, i can cover some of these for you...

you can claim the right to grow whatever you like, i am claiming the right to cultivate and possess all plants, which includes weed and could also be useful if codex kicks into full force.

you can also claim the right to own a firearm or whatever, and to defend your self and property against such threats. just make sure you word it properly and understand the concept well enough to justify yourself if it happens.

i'm not too hot on the benefits aspect, possibly your situation makes it unwise to proceed with freemanry- it's not necessarily the right move for everybody, but i'm sure there is a way around it through a claim of right. i wouldn't want to mislead anyone by guessing though...

hope that helped:)

[tien an]

1694 ... I'll ask the questions I am always drawn to when having to endure your random, illogical hypotheses ...

what is your point?
what is the outcome you are driving to?

Yozhik, I enjoy your posts and encourage you to continue, but must you pander to this idiot here?

To 1694; how about taking your foetus-argument back to your own thread instead of hijacking this one too?

Moderators....please!

[pdcdp]

why should 1694 take such a very interesting question elsewhere?

he may not be pro-freeman but that's no reason to shun him away, he's asking questions, albeit theoretical ones, he doesn't know the answer to, therefore any opinion he has on the matter is currently not backed by facts and evidence.

if this process helps him form a firm understanding of the concept, either way, he'll become sure of his opinion.

those of you who take any information received as fact without first checking and understanding it can never attain that confidence, so who's really the bad guy here?

[1694]

This thread is from Robert Mernard asking for questions. I have posed him a question. Who is off topic here and needs modding? Me who has asked the afore mentioned a question or those ranting at me and not asking robert questions?

[1694]

once again you show your lack of research... " the external elements of murder and manslaughter are the unlawful killing of a human being who was within the Queen's Peace where the death occurred within a year and a day of the last act done by the accussed to the victim"

do i need to go on...? there was nothing on the person in the law....HUMAN BEING can clearly be seen.LOL


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Where do we find the final definition?

Historically, at common law, Russell on the Law of Crimes gives this definition:

"Murder is the unlawful killing, by any person of sound memory and discretion, of any person under the King's peace, with malice aforethought either express or implied by law.

Murder
Intentional homicide (the taking of another person’s life), without legal justification or provocation.

All homicides require the killing of a living person. In most states, the killing of a viable fetus is generally not considered a homicide unless the fetus is first born alive. In some states, however, this distinction is disregarded and the killing of an unborn viable fetus is classified as homicide. In other states, statutes separately classify the killing of a fetus as the crime of feticide.

Generally, the law requires that the death of the person occur within a year and a day of the fatal injury. This requirement initially reflected a difficulty in determining whether an initial injury led to a person's death, or whether other events or circumstances intervened to cause the person's death. As Forensic Science has developed and the difficulty in determining cause of death has diminished, many states have modified or abrogated the year-and-a-day rule.

[dondaz]

My latest youtube message. I get comments like this all the time.

Dazza,

Started listening to your attempt as dissecting the law. Got as far as the bit where you ramble about car registrations.

Look mate - sure you mean well, but have to be honest. You may be a big fish in your estatet, but to people viewing this from outside, you just come across as an uneducated, self-important tit.

You really are a sad little man who clearly has had no formal education beyond 16.

Top tip - before you attempt to engage in arguments against the system, get a little bit more education. Read some stuff. Think about what you've read.

Have you the slightest clue about how ridiculous you appear in your ramblings? Not helped by your hideous black country accent.

Sad wee man :-)

It's comments like this that make me more determined to learn, not give up. Why let what others think of me stop me from doing what I like and do best?

Don't be swayed by the nay sayers folks. It's just head games to stop us from learning to be free. Keeps us inside the box.

Oh yeah, this is deffinately Rob Menard who started this thread. This was obvious to people who've read and studied his work before he posted the vid confirming who he is.

Hey Rob, I'm interested to know your views on the process of having your bond/trust voted out/off. Do you know if this has happened to anyone yet and if so, why? Cheers!

[pdcdp]

The idea of revoking your person completely and staking the status of a man gives you the same footing as the sub 16 week feotus....no rights whatsover, natural law is in force, you are property of whoever can excert their will over you



sorry but that's just not true, you basically remove yourself from commercial / admiralty / maritime law. from then on you live by common law, the law of the land - not of the water.

all statutes and acts passed by government are simply by-laws of a corporation - commercial law. if you are not involved with that corporation then their laws don't apply to you.

common law is the only true law and empowers each individual to exactly the same degree. natural law is a sociological phenomenon, it's not documented or enforceable.

[Mo0n5tar]

yo, i can cover some of these for you...

you can claim the right to grow whatever you like, i am claiming the right to cultivate and possess all plants, which includes weed and could also be useful if codex kicks into full force.

you can also claim the right to own a firearm or whatever, and to defend your self and property against such threats. just make sure you word it properly and understand the concept well enough to justify yourself if it happens.

i'm not too hot on the benefits aspect, possibly your situation makes it unwise to proceed with freemanry- it's not necessarily the right move for everybody, but i'm sure there is a way around it through a claim of right. i wouldn't want to mislead anyone by guessing though...

hope that helped:)

Thank you Mr Chuckle for your response:D

RE: the Council housing situation, the place I live house prices are very expensive, un-sustainably so, therefore the Council route is logical.
However I have been looking into "Benders" which are a sustainable type of eco tent, you can build quite a nice shelter from the raw materials of the forest and some Tarps etc, however I would like to know about claiming land to take this approach as most land and forest here is protected/owned by the Monarchy or private Estates, and though a bender is easily disassembled I would like to set up a small community with various outhouses and resources to grow food.

Other than those two the only option is return to Scotland which is a Civil Law country and live with Family until fully prepared and well versed in Freeman philosophy, or as you said, and I have been contemplating recently, putting this study on the shelf.

RE: Firearms, I would obviously embrace the responsibility of being a god fearing, honest and honourable Freeman, with no intention of Harming anyone, but in today's climate a certain degree of protection would be helpful, I was thinking one could perhaps notify every police force and authority as well as placing notice on your House, of what will happen if certain protocol-laid down by you-is not followed, therefore any interaction with potential aggressors will be on your terms?

Looking to secure my right to cultivate Hemp and Sativa especially, for industry/work and play haha, but with Codex Alimentarius around the corner it makes sense to secure ones right to grow all plants.

Peace

[tien an]

Ok,ok; I take it back:

1694 has the right to ask questions...on a subject that Rob Menard has already said that he wouldn't get into.

We'll just have to see if/how Rob answers his question.

Meanwhile, I'll wade through the dross (as usual) to get to the interesting, pertinent stuff.

Say...while you're at it, why don't you post a full-blown justification of why the Government is acting in the way it is...??

[1694]

Ok,ok; I take it back:

1694 has the right to ask questions...on a subject that Rob Menard has already said that he wouldn't get into.

We'll just have to see if/how Rob answers his question.

Meanwhile, I'll wade through the dross (as usual) to get to the interesting, pertinent stuff.

Say...while you're at it, why don't you post a full-blown justification of why the Government is acting in the way it is...??

my assumption was that Rob didn't want to get into themoral rights and wrongs of abortions debate rather than using them as a theortical distinction of human beings and persons. If I am wrong I will retract.

[1694]

sorry but that's just not true, you basically remove yourself from commercial / admiralty / maritime law. from then on you live by common law, the law of the land - not of the water.

all statutes and acts passed by government are simply by-laws of a corporation - commercial law. if you are not involved with that corporation then their laws don't apply to you.

common law is the only true law. natural law is a sociological phenomenon, it's not documented or enforceable.

If you do do this, it is not by revoking your person and claiming to not be a person.

(Also you have it totaly bacwards natural law is the only true law, it is determined by outcomes rathr than rules, common law is rules that attempt to detrimine outcomes, it is a sociological function. Animals live by natrual law, humans have invented a concept of common law amongst others. A big cat kills a little cat, natural law at work, a big human could kill a little human but he is not allowed, common law.)

Re: The Person

A 'person' is the legal subject of which rights and duties are attributes. These rights and duties can and do change as the relationship changes.

An unborn child of one who is a ward of the state can be seen as a person, if they are deemed as having rights and someone else accepts the duty to protect those rights. (I AM NOT getting into that argument here)

At birth you have one set of rights, and you exchange those for the other set when you get a BC. You still have a person, but the rights and duties have changed. This happens again when you apply for and receive a National Insurance Number. One human being, three different sets of rights and duties, all of them evidencing a 'person'. Not all persons are equal.

Hope that helps a bit.

Rob

PS- A frog can't swallow with it's eyes open.


There are also in british acts specific distinctions. To paraphrase if I Cant find it again. "Any murder commited under the jurisdiction of the Admiraltly shall be treated as a murder committed on the land."

[pdcdp]

If you do do this, it is not by revoking your person and claiming to not be a person.




There are also in british acts specific distinctions. To paraphrase if I Cant find it again. "Any murder commited under the jurisdiction of the Admiraltly shall be treated as a murder committed on the land."

correct, you are taking back control of your person, after you parents signed you over at birth. you then act as agent for your person, giving you back the rights which were previously controlled by govt.

apparently there is no act or statute about murder, as it is a breach of common law applicable only to a human, probably because a fictional entity cannot murder anything, i can't be sure that came from a confirmed source though so don't quote me on that. anyway, i think your paraphrase is suggesting that murder is not punishable under admiralty, and is therefore treated under common law.

p.s. natural law - yeah semantically i wasn't clear there, i do agree with you on natural law but was speaking more specifically about another point...

[dondaz]

Originally Posted by malvern http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=641545#post641545)
once again you show your lack of research... " the external elements of murder and manslaughter are the unlawful killing of a human being who was within the Queen's Peace where the death occurred within a year and a day of the last act done by the accussed to the victim"

do i need to go on...? there was nothing on the person in the law....HUMAN BEING can clearly be seen.LOL


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Where do we find the final definition?


In your heart!

[pdcdp]

also - rob has a very good reason for not wanting to discuss the issue of responsibility for your kids, and i don't blame him one iota for cutting it short there...

for goodness sake, please don't push him too far on that particular issue.:(

[1694]

Offences committed within the jurisdiction of the Admiralty.All indictable offences mentioned in this Act which shall be committed within the jurisdiction of the Admiralty of England or Ireland shall be . . . F2 liable to the same punishments, as if they had been committed upon the land in England or Ireland


This act clearly distinguish between admiralty juristiction and on the land juristicion and they claim they apply to both.

It is saying that just because you are in admiralty juristiciton it doesn't mean you can be exempt from on the land statutes, (as this is an act).

[1694]

correct, you are taking back control of your person, after you parents signed you over at birth. you then act as agent for your person, giving you back the rights which were previously controlled by govt.

apparently there is no act or statute about murder, as it is a breach of common law applicable only to a human, probably because a fictional entity cannot murder anything, i can't be sure that came from a confirmed source though so don't quote me on that. anyway, i think your paraphrase is suggesting that murder is not punishable under admiralty, and is therefore treated under common law.

p.s. natural law - yeah semantically i wasn't clear there, i do agree with you on natural law but was speaking more specifically about another point...

You also can't murder a non natural person like a corporation, otherwise everytim you wound up a company you would be liable.

[pdcdp]

I was thinking one could perhaps notify every police force and authority as well as placing notice on your House, of what will happen if certain protocol-laid down by you-is not followed, therefore any interaction with potential aggressors will be on your terms?


Peace

exactly... i had been struggling with the issue of who specifically needs to be given notice until rob came on here... now i understand that you should put out as many notices as you see fit.

somebody on tpuc had a nuicor claiming the right to use his firearm as he 'sees fit' against any and all aggressors, and i don't think his claim was rebuffed. once you have claimed the right you can serve notices willy-nilly to ensure there is no confusion.

am making my appointment with the notary tomorrow, better revise in case he gets sticky....;)

[rob menard]

The idea of revoking your person completely and staking the status of a man gives you the same footing as the sub 16 week feotus.

That is not the case at all. As a Freeman-on-the-Land I exist as a man. As a person, you exist as a ward of the state. Between feotus and man there is a period of adolescense. What tptb have done is stretched that adolescent part out so it never ends, and they can maintain power over you your entire life. Being a Freeman is about growing up, not regressing, and just because there is no person when someone is a feotus and then there is no person when they are an adult does not mean they are now a feotus.

PLEASE do some LSAT's. Your logic and analytical reasoning skills could use a little improvement. Not slagging you here, eh?

Rob

PS- Reason is almost always emotion driven, and logic is reason that denies emotion. Intuition is the marriage of logic and emotion.

Rob

[pdcdp]

This act clearly distinguish between admiralty juristiction and on the land juristicion and they claim they apply to both.

It is saying that just because you are in admiralty juristiciton it doesn't mean you can be exempt from on the land statutes, (as this is an act).

yes, but it doesn't say that somebody with 'on-the-land' status can be tried under admiralty jurisdiction. common law trumps any act or statute, i think that's because it is based on an irrevocable declaration which predates our commercial government.

however, if you let them trick you into entering into commercial contract with them, you abide by that brand of jurisdiction.

p.s. legal = commercial law
lawful = common law

[rob menard]

Greetings Rob great to see you on the board, I have been following your work over the past few months and it's great to see someone so empowered by knowledge and fulfilling their potential!

Got a couple of questions here,

Being currently a UK citizen, I am subject to various acts and statutes which are highly illogical and un-natural, they deem certain medicinal herbs illegal, seek to limit my right to defend myself and make it hard to acquire a freeholding/shelter.

I wonder if being a Freeman one would have to encounter such illogicality as making natural plants against the "law", in your opinion would an Officer of the Police Force be able to stop a Freeman from growing certain medicinal herbal strains?

Also being a Freeman, would an Englishman once again be at liberty to defend himself in his home through the purchasing and use of firearms for security, could these means be used against any government agents, operating in dishonour and aggressively towards you?

Finally, as a Freeman on the land, what is the best way of going about acquiring shelter, for a Citizen in my position the only option is State/Council housing, which requires application and use of the Legal Person to obtain this State given right?

I have read about people claiming coordinates, and taking this up with the Queen in an Affidavit, or incorporated into a NUI, from your perspective, if you were a young man currently seeking permanent abode how would you do it?

Thank you for taking the time to offer some insights into your incredibly interesting study!

Peas be upon you;)

Hello and Peas to you too.
As a Freeman, I can do what I wish as long as I am not harming another, damaging their property or using mischief in my contracts. Thus I would certainly have the right to grow herbs of all varieties. This does not mean doing so will not put me in a position where I will have to educate some armed man who thinks statutes are laws.

As to firearms, it would depend to a large degree on what is in your NUI and COR. Many ask "Can I do this?" The answer is almost always "Let me see your NUI and COR and I will tell you." However suing firearms against the government agents who likely are operating with colour of right will not bring you much peace. I usually suggest that we accept the directions even if unlawful, but do so under protest and duress and with a fee schedule filed. That way, you do not have to engage in violence, you act with respect to human life, which will serve you well later, and you can keep your hands clean of blood. Of course, that all changes if they are coming at night, no ID or badges or signs of visible claim of authority.

Finally, that which you can do with permission as a child, you can usually do with a claim as an adult. Have you tried claiming the housing that you would get by way of application? There is a group of us here who are going to go out and claim up to 160 acres each for homesteading and community building. It is after all, our land, and if we want to live on it instead of allowing our representatives to lease it out for lumber stumpage we have that right.

Hope that helps.

Rob

PS- Whoever realized there was more then one way to skin a cat was more bored then hungry.

[rob menard]

Freemanery Lesson #1
WHO THE F*CK ARE YOU???

This is likely the first and most important step you will take and even if it does not lead to Freemanery, it will still bring you much insight and understanding of your reality. Most never even ask that question, and fear the answer. Mostly for this reason:

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in PS- Bullies hate two things. Being ignored and laughed at. some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

You've been living in the dark, and the light hurts your eyes. The idea that it is your own light terrifies you. Get over it. You are special. Accept it and move on.

Engrave this question in your brain and heart. Ask yourself that question daily and use it anytime you receive an order, command, direction, etc.
Be nice of course, but be sure to ask "WHO THE F*CK ARE YOU???"

From cops to agent to judge, this question will almost always garner an answer, and the moment you have them answering your questions, you are on the path of determining who the master of the situation truly is.

If you do not know who you are, they will be able to get you to accept that you are something you are not, and acting on that, control you. Do I have the power to dictate your actions? If not, and it is not, then can I hire an agent to do it for me? Of course not. So what allows these officers to control you? There is only one mechanism really, they are your representatives agents and you are acting upon yourself through them.

You have a right to the sun on your face and the earth under your feet and unless anyone can claim and prove they created those things, they have no right to restrict them and to do so they must use greed, fear, and ignorance. In short, they must use deception.

You are a blessed child of God, and when you truly know this, watching those who do not know they are or refuse to accept it try to order you, becomes funny.

The whole game is called "look here not there" with the 'here' being their words and the 'there' being your own heart. 'Here' can take many forms, from the Bible, to their Acts, Torrah, or scribbles in the sand. It is always the same game throughout the ages. "Look here not there." So step one, is this:

"LOOK THERE!"

When you can 'LOOK THERE' then you will be able to 'LOOK HERE' without losing your ability to remember and hold what you found 'THERE' as you will need it later to see the truth which becomes apparent when you compare what you first found 'THERE' to what you later find 'HERE'.

Let those with eyes see and those with ears hear and those with zits pop them in the mirror.

LOOK 'THERE' FIRST.

Second lesson after recess.
For fun watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZqB4Cc80mY

Rob

PS- There is no boogie man, except in discos.

[Mo0n5tar]

Thanks for all your advice!
I will have a go at all you suggest, I hadn't thought about a CoR to housing

There is a group of us here who are going to go out and claim up to 160 acres each for homesteading and community building.

This is great news, I wish you every success, I have a similar goal, it's great to see people are starting to look for a life off the grid, and a Freeman society would be a great move towards coming out of the Evil Empire!

Thanks again!

[rob menard]

Thanks for all your advice!

You did not get any advice from me.

Rob

[bobfunkhouse]

classic!:D ^^ err the vid i meant!!! tres amusant.

[1694]

That is not the case at all. As a Freeman-on-the-Land I exist as a man. As a person, you exist as a ward of the state. Between feotus and man there is a period of adolescense. What tptb have done is stretched that adolescent part out so it never ends, and they can maintain power over you your entire life. Being a Freeman is about growing up, not regressing, and just because there is no person when someone is a feotus and then there is no person when they are an adult does not mean they are now a feotus.

PLEASE do some LSAT's. Your logic and analytical reasoning skills could use a little improvement. Not slagging you here, eh?

Rob

PS- Reason is almost always emotion driven, and logic is reason that denies emotion. Intuition is the marriage of logic and emotion.

Rob

Was it not in one of your videos that you say a man was a slave, he was the property of his master? The Roman distincion of a man and a Person was a person had rights a man did not.

The ward of the state concept surely applies to anyone also under the protection of common law, after all common law is a protection provided by the state. If someone murders you (common law crime) who brings the murder to justice, not you, the state.

If you are not protected by either statute, common law, you exist in natural law.

Somalia is a good example of a country in natural law, common law is not enforced by anyone. Various regions have a mix of religious law and laws determined by the ruling war lord, outside of the protection or being a ward of your leader, you are very much on your own in a world of natural law.

[rob menard]

I believe what I state is that "not all men are persons, as was the case in Old England when there were slaves." That does not mean that all men who are not persons are slaves. Freemen are not considered to be persons yet are not considered slaves.

Again, I respectfully suggest that you would benefit from doing some LSAT's. It is basic analytical reasoning. Also, I am sensing a bit of confrontational attitude, but as I do not know you, it may be my imagination. Need a hug?


Rob

PS- It is better to light a candle then course the darkness, but it is better to let your eyes adjust then light a candle in a fireworks factory.

[1694]

I believe what I state is that "not all men are persons, as was the case in Old England when there were slaves." That does not mean that all men who are not persons are slaves. Freemen are not considered to be persons yet are not considered slaves.

Again, I respectfully suggest that you would benefit from doing some LSAT's. It is basic analytical reasoning. Also, I am sensing a bit of confrontational attitude, but as I do not know you, it may be my imagination. Need a hug?


Rob

PS- It is better to light a candle then course the darkness, but it is better to let your eyes adjust then light a candle in a fireworks factory.

It is confrontation, but do not take it the wrong way.

I am working of the basic scientific idea that you don't prove a hypothisis, you can only diprove all available null hypothesis which might contradict your hypothesis. It is just common practice.

Perhapse I have mixed two references with the Rome idea.

PERSON. This word is applied to men, women and children, who are called natural persons. In law, man and person are not exactly synonymous terms. Any human being is a man, whether he be a member of society or not, whatever may be the rank he holds, or whatever may be his age, sex, &c. A person is a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the rights to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes. 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 137.
2. It is also used to denote a corporation which is an artificial person. 1 Bl. Com. 123; 4 Bing. 669; C. 33 Eng. C. L R. 488; Woodes. Lect. 116; Bac. Us. 57; 1 Mod. 164.
3. But when the word "Persons" is spoken of in legislative acts, natural persons will be intended, unless something appear in the context to show that it applies to artificial persons. 1 Scam. R. 178.
4. Natural persons are divided into males, or men; and females or women. Men are capable of all kinds of engagements and functions, unless by reasons applying to particular individuals. Women cannot be appointed to any public office, nor perform any civil functions, except those which the law specially declares them capable of exercising. Civ. Code of Louis. art. 25.
5. They are also sometimes divided into free persons and slaves. Freemen are those who have preserved their natural liberty, that is to say, who have the right of doing what is not forbidden by the law. A slave is one who is in the power of a master to whom he belongs. Slaves are sometimes ranked not with persons but things. But sometimes they are considered as persons for example, a negro is in contemplation of law a person, so as to be capable of committing a riot in conjunction with white men. 1 Bay, 358. Vide Man.

I have had a dig, and it seems we also hav freemen! Although they too appear to be persons. Ah, Persons can be freemen or slaves....though slaves are not persons. I don't know if this definition is any use to anyone.

it from "A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856" (though it is not the original quote I remeber)

My point of confusion arrises from:

If a freeman is still a person, and statutes apply to all persons, what is achieved?

[pdcdp]

isn't the US one of the few countries where freeman on the land is not an option? i think that there you have to become a sovereign, which i assume is slightly different...:confused:

maybe their definitions have something to do with it, or is legalese a global language?

[1694]

isn't the US one of the few countries where freeman on the land is not an option? i think that there you have to become a sovereign, which i assume is slightly different...:confused:

maybe their definitions have something to do with it, or is legalese a global language?

It seems it is contextual depending on jurisdiction, in the US the constitution is soverign, but states are also soverign, in the UK the queen is the sovering.

I believe Freemen claim no jurisdiction, they are sovering?, though they also answere to common law as soverign?

For that matter what common law? I assume not this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law

[yozhik]

isn't the US one of the few countries where freeman on the land is not an option? i think that there you have to become a sovereign, which i assume is slightly different...:confused:

maybe their definitions have something to do with it, or is legalese a global language?

This intrigued me, so I did a brief check online. Got this incredible definition from US Legal Definitions (http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/sovereign-citizen/)

Sovereign citizen is a term used to refer to a political movement which grew out of a belief in government abuses of power. Members often refuse to hold social security cards or driver's licenses and avoid using zip codes. Sovereign citizens believe that U.S. citizens are either "Fourteenth Amendment citizens" (who are subject to the federal and state laws and taxes) or "sovereign citizens", who are subject only to common law or "constitutional law" (or both), but are not bound to obey statutory law. No court has ever upheld these claims. Sovereign citizens may also be referred to as "freemen" or "common law citizens".

A sovereign citizen is defined by the Anti-Defamation League as follows:

"The "sovereign citizen" movement is a loosely organized collection of groups and individuals who have adopted a right-wing anarchist ideology originating in the theories of a group called the Posse Comitatus in the 1970s. Its adherents believe that virtually all existing government in the United States is illegitimate and they seek to "restore" an idealized, minimalist government that never actually existed. To this end, sovereign citizens wage war against the government and other forms of authority using "paper terrorism" harassment and intimidation tactics, and occasionally resorting to violence."

This level of disinformation is ridiculous; doesn't it say everything?

Please also take note of the specific language used;
1. anarchist
2. wage war
3. terrorist
4. intimidation
5. violence

In my eyes, this is more setting the grounds for future use of enforcing the Homeland Security (enslavement ) Act and putting into effect Rex 84. Anyone want to place a bet that any men claiming Freeman or Sovereign status will be amongst the first to find themselves collected by force by the army, thrown into shackles on the newly constructed trains and thrown into the FEMA concentration camps, labelled as terrorists and exterminated?

[scotia]

Hi, I've been looking and waiting on something for a long time, I never knew what that was or where to look or even where I'd start but I knew one day it'll come..

Today I found it and will start learning how to once again take whats ours back and flourish once again. Our lands were stolen from us a long time ago through many deceptions by the most evil tribe on Mother Earth.. The same tribe and the same deceptions are still active to manipulate the good...

Rob, thank you and may you shine brighter everyday and have a wonderful life... Your land will reward you when its back in good hands..

Peace, we are ancient and we are one. :)

[rob menard]

I personally do not consider myself to be Sovereign as that brings a lot of responsibility and potential for violence. I consider God to be Sovereign and me his mischievous minded and gentle spirited Child.

It is not my field, but my Fathers, and claiming not as my own, I refuse to accept orders from others not because I am Sovereign, but becaause I know they are not.

Rob

PS- The truth is a many faceted gem, and no one can see all sides at once.

[rob menard]

Anyone want to place a bet that any men claiming Freeman or Sovereign status will be amongst the first to find themselves collected by force by the army, thrown into shackles on the newly constructed trains and thrown into the FEMA concentration camps, labelled as terrorists and exterminated?

I will take that bet and go one further. The Freemen will stop that from happening.

The ability to round up will be limited to those who are not Freemen. Rob Christy had that thought. I think there is something to it.

Rob

[yozhik]

I will take that bet and go one further. The Freemen will stop that from happening.

The ability to round up will be limited to those who are not Freemen. Rob Christy had that thought. I think there is something to it.

Rob

I hope you are correct.
I fear you are not.

Fortunately, I am guided by hope; not fear :)

[1694]

I will take that bet and go one further. The Freemen will stop that from happening.

The ability to round up will be limited to those who are not Freemen. Rob Christy had that thought. I think there is something to it.

Rob

If they don't play by thier own rules, I doubt they will play by ours.

[duckingdafta]

do all man have a right to freeman of the land or is it those born in that particular area.... i.e. In UK to be freeman, would you have to be british?

[rob menard]

do all man have a right to freeman of the land or is it those born in that particular area.... i.e. In UK to be freeman, would you have to be british?

I do not know. There is evidence to suggest that one can be a Freeman-on-the-Land anywhere, yet ones ability to claim the resources of the land and to collect dividends from their extraction limited to those born in a geographical area.

If you have the right to vote in Canada, then it matters little if you were born here or not.

Rob

[john white]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wum1Xwd-I2w

Wait till its processed, then you be nice.

Rob

PS- Chocolate milk does not work as a substitute for white in Hollandaise sauce.

LOL

Rob, of course its you:)

I could never fail to know your energy

You are one of the most awake human beings I have ever encountered, and I'd like you to know my heart knows only Love for you :)

Cracking your here, its definitely a great help:)

On the Freeman concept, I most especially appreciate the depth and solid foundation of your spiritual foundation for everything you do

I know you see what is, and that is a beautiful state of awareness to have achieved, your work is a gift to the human race

So I bloody appreciate it:)

[_invisibleplane_]

Hi rob, it's a pleasure to see you here, I'm familiar with your work and thank you for your dedication to freedom.

As a student in Ontario, Canada I found our paying off of student loan via our bond account to be very interesting information. I've read the info you have posted on your site, but in your personal experience and observations, approximately how many individuals are you aware of that have succeeded in having their student loans paid off this way? (Whether this is in BC, or Ontario, or all of Canada)

Obviously this isn't the only subject I am interested in, but would like to hear more about it to begin with. Thanks

[john white]

great post...... you are not 1694 that's for shore ......

welcome Robert of the Menard Family... and thank you for your time helping the UK understand ... love your work...... it has allowed me to see so much more and take hold of my understanding of who i am .... we are all free, it's just letting the others understand that you undserstand that you are free.



freedom is the grandchildren... we are the caretakers

^^^

Wot he sed

[rob menard]

1694: They do to the most part play by the rules. The problem is we have failed to learn them properly and therefore think they are not following the rules.

In Canada one can be a Freeman and an armed Peace Officer employed to maintain the public peace. What happens when those planning on rounding up the population are dealing with tens of thousands of armed and bonded peace officers who will arrest them if they attempt to abduct under the colour of law?

If you cannot act with the belief that there is in fact remedy, then this is clearly not the thread for you.

Rob

[rob menard]

Hi rob, it's a pleasure to see you here, I'm familiar with your work and thank you for your dedication to freedom.

As a student in Canada I found our paying off of student loan via our bond account to be very interesting information. I've read the info you have posted on your site, but in your personal experience and observations, approximately how many individuals are you aware of that have succeeded in having their student loans paid off this way? (Whether this is in BC, or Ontario, or all of Canada)

Obviously this isn't the only subject I am interested in, but would like to hear more about it to begin with. Thanks

In BC the government folded to the tune of $67 MILLION dollars worth of discharged loans. They claimed it was to help single mothers, but there is nothing allowing them to discharge for one and not someone else merely for their marriage status. They did this to head off the discharge program I had started, and many who were on the path had their debts discharged. Since then others have done the same thing, and have pointed to the government discharging the single mothers loans to point out they have a duty to all to do the same thing.

These tend to get discharged very quietly, and it does require some mettle. There have also been some who have failed in this, or more accurately, have been to court over the issue and been ruled against and are now going through either appeals or securing the right to disobey the courts ruling.

Rob

PS- The term "YOUR LOAN" means you are the lender, not the debtor.

[john white]

I am working of the basic scientific idea that you don't prove a hypothisis, you can only diprove all available null hypothesis which might contradict your hypothesis. It is just common practice.


It appears to me you have not understood that Truth is TRUTH when we decide to define it as TRUE

Self-empowerment is about taking ownership of deciding ones own TRUTH

You will not find this in hypothesis, because you can always hypothesis that Truth is not True

To understand what it is to become Freeman, you must understand the true nature and power of existing as conciousness that is FREE

This is the challenge before all of us

[1694]

Whilst the thread has moved along the bond lines.

How does your bond become/provide legal tender?

How does the gov use said bond? Who currently benefits from it?

[yozhik]

How does your bond become/provide legal tender?



So your question can be answered ... can you please define this precisely?
I am assuming you have in your mind a definition for it.

So, what are you specifically referring to when you use the term; legal tender?

[1694]

So your question can be answered ... can you please define this precisely?
I am assuming you have in your mind a definition for it.

So, what are you specifically referring to when you use the term; legal tender?

Legal tender is the only thing that can not be refused in settlement of a debt, public or private.

So to use your bond to settle a debt it must in some way be or provide legal tender otherwise whoever you sent it to could just refuse it.

[whitewolf]

Thanks Rob for bringing my attention to this possibilty, it's the 1st time I've heard of this actually being done.
I just wonder how it would work here in Greece, although Greece is part of the EU, they stick a finger up to Brussels and go their own way; one reason I like it here, they're natural anarchists. Unfortuanately especially when it comes to imposing rules/laws/rights even made up ones on one another for their own gain or simply to exercise their power ego..
What are LSATs?
Where do you ,or anyone else with the knowledge, suggest to start researching. I read all the posts, even the playground politics ones, which just wasted my time and fatigued my brain. Perhaps I missed some vital info amonst the silly stuff.

[malvern]

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once again you show your lack of research... " the external elements of murder and manslaughter are the unlawful killing of a human being who was within the Queen's Peace where the death occurred within a year and a day of the last act done by the accussed to the victim"

do i need to go on...? there was nothing on the person in the law....HUMAN BEING can clearly be seen.LOL


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Where do we find the final definition?


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Historically, at common law, Russell on the Law of Crimes gives this definition:

"Murder is the unlawful killing, by any person of sound memory and discretion, of any person under the King's peace, with malice aforethought either express or implied by law.

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Murder
Intentional homicide (the taking of another person’s life), without legal justification or provocation.

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All homicides require the killing of a living person. In most states, the killing of a viable fetus is generally not considered a homicide unless the fetus is first born alive. In some states, however, this distinction is disregarded and the killing of an unborn viable fetus is classified as homicide. In other states, statutes separately classify the killing of a fetus as the crime of feticide.

Generally, the law requires that the death of the person occur within a year and a day of the fatal injury. This requirement initially reflected a difficulty in determining whether an initial injury led to a person's death, or whether other events or circumstances intervened to cause the person's death. As Forensic Science has developed and the difficulty in determining cause of death has diminished, many states have modified or abrogated the year-and-a-day rule.

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criminal law: UK.

you find the other mainstream stuff


At what precise moment does a child come under the procection of the law of homicide? it is normally said that the child must be expelled entirely from the mother's body and that it must have an independent existence of it's own, there are of course , separate offences of child destruction and abortion to deal with the killing of a child which has not yet achieved an independent existence.further the injury of a feoetus in the womb, which is then born alive, but later dies of injures, may constitute murder or manslaughter (West 1884)





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Originally Posted by malvern
once again you show your lack of research... " the external elements of murder and manslaughter are the unlawful killing of a human being who was within the Queen's Peace where the death occurred within a year and a day of the last act done by the accussed to the victim"

do i need to go on...? there was nothing on the person in the law....HUMAN BEING can clearly be seen.LOL


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Where do we find the final definition?

In your heart!


in my heart when the sperm and egg combines human life is then...and much understanding and consent must be given ....
as you know from John Ratey's talk on teleport/timetravel.....it would take the power of a SUN the size of the whole malvern hills to repro one human... that's something we all have with in .....
the heart is the true key into the mind, and as we both understand we are already free..:)



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[yozhik]

Legal tender is the only thing that can not be refused in settlement of a debt, public or private.

So to use your bond to settle a debt it must in some way be or provide legal tender otherwise whoever you sent it to could just refuse it.

This raises an interesting point ...

In my Notice of Understanding and Intent ... am I able to state that I claim the Right to refuse any form of payment that is not backed by anything of substance or true value and that I therefore deem anything issued as a "note" or "promissory note" from the Bank of England and/or any central bank, federal reserve, etc; or any such negotiable instrument created from debt?

[1694]

This raises an interesting point ...

In my Notice of Understanding and Intent ... am I able to state that I claim the Right to refuse any form of payment that is not backed by anything of substance or true value and that I therefore deem anything issued as a "note" or "promissory note" from the Bank of England and/or any central bank, federal reserve, etc; or any such negotiable instrument created from debt?

Does that contradict with using your bond? What is the true value of your bond? Is is the debt that you were supposed to repay in the future?

A bond is essentially the purchse of a revenue stream.... or debt.

[rob menard]

Thanks Rob for bringing my attention to this possibilty, it's the 1st time I've heard of this actually being done.
I just wonder how it would work here in Greece, although Greece is part of the EU, they stick a finger up to Brussels and go their own way; one reason I like it here, they're natural anarchists. Unfortuanately especially when it comes to imposing rules/laws/rights even made up ones on one another for their own gain or simply to exercise their power ego..
What are LSATs?
Where do you ,or anyone else with the knowledge, suggest to start researching. I read all the posts, even the playground politics ones, which just wasted my time and fatigued my brain. Perhaps I missed some vital info amonst the silly stuff.

Welcome. It is my understanding that in the Greek statutes they acknowledge a claim of right and lawful excuse and that there are people using it successfully.

LSAT = Law School Admission Test. Google for free samples. Start with them, then read the statues looking for specific items that bring remedy.
Rob

[yozhik]

Does that contradict with using your bond? What is the true value of your bond? Is is the debt that you were supposed to repay in the future?

A bond is essentially the purchse of a revenue stream.... or debt.

Do you see the words; "reserve the Right to refuse"?
It means I claim the Right of choice.
To accept or not. To determine what is payment and what is not.

As opposed to your definition;

Legal tender is the only thing that can not be refused in settlement of a debt, public or private.