Australian Freeman on The Land - Do not miss

[dondaz]

Ok folks. For all you wonderful people in Austrailia wishing to be free, check out Marc McMurtrie. This guy is so insightful into the real goings on down under.

This is what I mean when I say you can not beat a fully fledged freeman on the land.

Lime Lady, I am, Garth and all the others from Austrailia do not miss what this man has to say. He is so facinating to watch and listen to.

This guy takes on the police, the courts, the governments and beats them all, everytime. He does swear here and there, but don't let that put you off. This is a ride and a half, don't fall off!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fW6ny7_vGc

mark mcmurtrie lessons in law pt2 - YouTube

mark mcmurtrie lessons in law pt3 - YouTube

mark mcmurtrie aboriginal sovereignty british legal scam 1 - YouTube

mark mcmurtrie aboriginal sovereignty british legal scam 2 - YouTube

mark mcmurtrie aboriginal sovereignty british legal scam 3 - YouTube

[whiterain]

cheers daz bookmarked for a good watch 2mo morning

[1694]

I'll finish watching tomo, thanks for the post.

Just a quick note covered in the other thread if u missed it, in the UK you are a person 16 weeks after conception, it has nothing to do with your birth certificate. At 16 weeks you are subject to and protected by common&statute law which is why you can no longer be aborted. Before 16 weeks you have no legal personality, you are the property of your mother and she can do what she likes with you, killing you at that stage is perfectly legal, after 16 weeks its common law murder.

If you wan't to discuss this further, head on over to the other thread to keep things clean.

[boots]

Great stuff dondaz,

There is another guy who is associated with mark mc murtrie, who does workshops around the country and you get a workshop manual as well as a DVD with 70 hours of material on it. BRILLIANT and cheap too.


I am just waiting for permission from him to post his name.

So all you Aussies out there lets band together and spread the word, lets create communities so will can help each other and make this movement grow.



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[boots]

He is dead right when he say's that the way us Aussies have worked it out it is bullet proof the system cant get around us because we use the same tactic that they use and we stand with honour.

No need to argue and fight that is dishonour.

If you stay within honour you win every time.


This guy is good too.


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[boots]

OK.

Anyone who wants to attend a weekend workshop with Mark Pytellek who was also mentioned on loveforlife web site. Please PM me and I will give you the details.


Mark is excellent has been doing this for 11 years and is well versed on all the terminology.

The cost of the workshop is aprox; $130 to $150 well worth it.



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[yozhik]

dondaz, as ever; a quality post.
Nice work.

[yozhik]

From watching this, one thing struck me as highly relevant.
McMurtrie mentions that the corporation of Australia is registered with the SEC which then makes remedy available via the filing of the UCC-1 form, as mentioned in Winston Shrout's videos.

McMurtries rationale for this is that to operate in global commerce, the corporation must abide by the rules and regulations of the Universal Commercial Code.

Do I have this right so far?

OK ... if that is correct so far, then would the same remedy not be avilable to all corporations that have registered with the SEC? For example, I'm sure I have seen the anti-terrorist make mention of the UK being a corporation registered with the SEC. Does this mean that remedy would also be available via filing the UCC-1 paperwork?

Again, from what I have read in the forums, one of the issues for those exploring the Freeman status is they don't know where to start; the path to Freeman status appears to be different for each man, depending on where they are. But does this not offer a "one-stop-shop" solution to the issue?

Or am I still as ignorant as I feel? :D

[yozhik]

Another questions, specifically for our Australian bretheren :)

In one of the earlier videos - I think it was the 2nd one - mention is made of a woman in South Australia who has managed to connect both a cheque book and a credit card to her bonded account.

Has this been explored further?
How has she done this - if in fact, this information is accurate?

[1694]

From watching this, one thing struck me as highly relevant.
McMurtrie mentions that the corporation of Australia is registered with the SEC which then makes remedy available via the filing of the UCC-1 form, as mentioned in Winston Shrout's videos.

McMurtries rationale for this is that to operate in global commerce, the corporation must abide by the rules and regulations of the Universal Commercial Code.

Do I have this right so far?

OK ... if that is correct so far, then would the same remedy not be avilable to all corporations that have registered with the SEC? For example, I'm sure I have seen the anti-terrorist make mention of the UK being a corporation registered with the SEC. Does this mean that remedy would also be available via filing the UCC-1 paperwork?

Again, from what I have read in the forums, one of the issues for those exploring the Freeman status is they don't know where to start; the path to Freeman status appears to be different for each man, depending on where they are. But does this not offer a "one-stop-shop" solution to the issue?

Or am I still as ignorant as I feel? :D

This is what I understand of some relevant information.

Gov bonds or treasury bills/gilts can be purchased at auction. They have a credit rating as assessed by, moodies. standard and poor or Dun and Bradstreet. USA is rated tripple A (for now) Argentina is B (junk.)


After that they can be traded on secrities exchange. If you own a treasury bill or guilt that will pay £100,000 next year, you might decide to sell it to someone else now for £90,000.

http://www.worldlinkfutures.com/bonds/tbondtr.htm

Federal reserve money actually comes into existence when the Fed magics it to buy up government bonds.

Since these bonds are a commercial instument they are regulated by the FSA in this country and the SEC in the USA (might both be done by SEC). Same as any other corporate bond that a normal company might issue. Any country that issues bonds is given a credit rating.

Now are the bonds individualised to our NI numbers as they are repaid with tax, or is it just a general bond that is issued. You can purchase gov bonds yourself, owning the revenue stream it creates. If you can find your specific NI bond can you stake a claim to it without buying it? What then, can you get it written off or can you just collect your own revenue stream so your tax goes round in a circle?

A bond is of course a cash upfront for more cash given back later scenario. If there is cash being held by the treasury in your name, and you decide to take on your bond and spend the cash it is the same as you issuing a personal bond to borrow money today and pay more back later.

If you decide you never wanted the money borrowed in your name, you should be able to shit can it and never have to pay the income tax that goes to repay it.

This is why I belive that when the freemen say there is a bond "worth" millions of pounds in your name, there is no pot of money. Shrout covers this, he says the worth is a concept. The "worth" is your Net Present Value, how much money you might be able to generate in the future.

Like the worth of a house, you can rent it out for a hundred years at 100 a year it is worth £1000 (lfor simplicity no discounts for risk inflation etc.) But the money isn't there in cash form. If you want that money released now you can go to a bank and they will lend you £900 now in cash money but by the end of 100 years you have to give them back £1000.

Now some say you can offset public expenses against your bond, is this a matter of your bond taking a financial hit as it were, and the gov tells the bond holder, sorry this bond has incurred extra costs therefore you will get less revenue?

Under normal bonds this would not work, a bond is a promise to repay, you can't just appologise, if you can't come up with the money administratorts sell your assetss to meet your bond holder demands!

(I know there have been debates in the past on other aspects of freemanism, but the evidence is plain as day that the government borrows money and then taxes us to repay it plus the interest. This is something I am very pissed about as it is banks who just invent the money and but the bonds, but we the people are expected to actually produce to repay that money plus interest, and beceause the interest was never created we are just running too slowly on a treadmill that is going too fast)

[lewi]

Kazem Jalali who was speaking at the International Conference on Mankind Security in West Asia alali said, "After the occurrence of the 9/11 events some big world powers resorting to the pretext of campaign against terrorism practically began eavesdropping the ordinary people's phone lines, controlling people's e-mails, and adopting other such measures, which seems to be in need of deep scrutiny in line with the meaning of mankind security."

He proposed that the west Asian countries should adopt an effective convergent strategy and while defining the human security concept based on the existing cultural diversity in this region and the rich Islamic culture, move towards turning that concept into an indigenous concept in their own countries. :eek:

[helpus]

The Straw Man Illusion on google video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6526777574574871930&hl=en)

[yozhik]

This is what I understand of some relevant information.

Gov bonds or treasury bills/gilts can be purchased at auction. They have a credit rating as assessed by, moodies. standard and poor or Dun and Bradstreet. USA is rated tripple A (for now) Argentina is B (junk.)


After that they can be traded on secrities exchange. If you own a treasury bill or guilt that will pay £100,000 next year, you might decide to sell it to someone else now for £90,000.

http://www.worldlinkfutures.com/bonds/tbondtr.htm

Federal reserve money actually comes into existence when the Fed magics it to buy up government bonds.

Since these bonds are a commercial instument they are regulated by the FSA in this country and the SEC in the USA (might both be done by SEC). Same as any other corporate bond that a normal company might issue. Any country that issues bonds is given a credit rating.

Now are the bonds individualised to our NI numbers as they are repaid with tax, or is it just a general bond that is issued. You can purchase gov bonds yourself, owning the revenue stream it creates. If you can find your specific NI bond can you stake a claim to it without buying it? What then, can you get it written off or can you just collect your own revenue stream so your tax goes round in a circle?

A bond is of course a cash upfront for more cash given back later scenario. If there is cash being held by the treasury in your name, and you decide to take on your bond and spend the cash it is the same as you issuing a personal bond to borrow money today and pay more back later.

If you decide you never wanted the money borrowed in your name, you should be able to shit can it and never have to pay the income tax that goes to repay it.

This is why I belive that when the freemen say there is a bond "worth" millions of pounds in your name, there is no pot of money. Shrout covers this, he says the worth is a concept. The "worth" is your Net Present Value, how much money you might be able to generate in the future.

Like the worth of a house, you can rent it out for a hundred years at 100 a year it is worth £1000 (lfor simplicity no discounts for risk inflation etc.) But the money isn't there in cash form. If you want that money released now you can go to a bank and they will lend you £900 now in cash money but by the end of 100 years you have to give them back £1000.

Now some say you can offset public expenses against your bond, is this a matter of your bond taking a financial hit as it were, and the gov tells the bond holder, sorry this bond has incurred extra costs therefore you will get less revenue?

Under normal bonds this would not work, a bond is a promise to repay, you can't just appologise, if you can't come up with the money administratorts sell your assetss to meet your bond holder demands!

(I know there have been debates in the past on other aspects of freemanism, but the evidence is plain as day that the government borrows money and then taxes us to repay it plus the interest. This is something I am very pissed about as it is banks who just invent the money and but the bonds, but we the people are expected to actually produce to repay that money plus interest, and beceause the interest was never created we are just running too slowly on a treadmill that is going too fast)

1694 ...

1. the question was not about bonds.
2. the question had nothing to do with the Federal Reserve.
3. the question had nothing to do with debt, treasury bonds or credit ratings.
4. the question was not asking your opinions on 1., 2. or 3.

You have your own thread for expressing your opinions on the Freeman movement and its flaws, as you see them.

Please, do not hijack ANOTHER thread. Can we keep this thread on topic, please?

My questions were specific to information found in the videos posted by dondaz.
Let's respect that and keep all posts "on topic" !!!

[boots]

From watching this, one thing struck me as highly relevant.
McMurtrie mentions that the corporation of Australia is registered with the SEC which then makes remedy available via the filing of the UCC-1 form, as mentioned in Winston Shrout's videos.

McMurtries rationale for this is that to operate in global commerce, the corporation must abide by the rules and regulations of the Universal Commercial Code.

Do I have this right so far?

Just getting into that my self but from my understanding. Yes. But moreon our bonds that I would focus on.

OK ... if that is correct so far, then would the same remedy not be avilable to all corporations that have registered with the SEC? For example, I'm sure I have seen the anti-terrorist make mention of the UK being a corporation registered with the SEC. Does this mean that remedy would also be available via filing the UCC-1 paperwork?


Not to sure if that would relate to the UK I know it relates to Australia But there is a draw back with this as "they" can uses that UCC to ascertain what you have although if everything is in a trust, ie House, cars and other assets then they CAN'T touch it.

Again, from what I have read in the forums, one of the issues for those exploring the Freeman status is they don't know where to start; the path to Freeman status appears to be different for each man, depending on where they are. But does this not offer a "one-stop-shop" solution to the issue?

Or am I still as ignorant as I feel? :D


You have to start with ....Notifing them with Affidavits of N,U and Intent, Affidavit of claim of right and Affidavit Notice of child of god status. We answer to "god" not them...


I only say god because this is what they have based there laws on The King James Bible.



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[boots]

This is what I understand of some relevant information.

Gov bonds or treasury bills/gilts can be purchased at auction. They have a credit rating as assessed by, moodies. standard and poor or Dun and Bradstreet. USA is rated tripple A (for now) Argentina is B (junk.)


After that they can be traded on secrities exchange. If you own a treasury bill or guilt that will pay £100,000 next year, you might decide to sell it to someone else now for £90,000.

http://www.worldlinkfutures.com/bonds/tbondtr.htm

Federal reserve money actually comes into existence when the Fed magics it to buy up government bonds.

Since these bonds are a commercial instument they are regulated by the FSA in this country and the SEC in the USA (might both be done by SEC). Same as any other corporate bond that a normal company might issue. Any country that issues bonds is given a credit rating.

Now are the bonds individualised to our NI numbers as they are repaid with tax, or is it just a general bond that is issued. You can purchase gov bonds yourself, owning the revenue stream it creates. If you can find your specific NI bond can you stake a claim to it without buying it? What then, can you get it written off or can you just collect your own revenue stream so your tax goes round in a circle?

A bond is of course a cash upfront for more cash given back later scenario. If there is cash being held by the treasury in your name, and you decide to take on your bond and spend the cash it is the same as you issuing a personal bond to borrow money today and pay more back later.

If you decide you never wanted the money borrowed in your name, you should be able to shit can it and never have to pay the income tax that goes to repay it.

This is why I belive that when the freemen say there is a bond "worth" millions of pounds in your name, there is no pot of money. Shrout covers this, he says the worth is a concept. The "worth" is your Net Present Value, how much money you might be able to generate in the future.

Like the worth of a house, you can rent it out for a hundred years at 100 a year it is worth £1000 (lfor simplicity no discounts for risk inflation etc.) But the money isn't there in cash form. If you want that money released now you can go to a bank and they will lend you £900 now in cash money but by the end of 100 years you have to give them back £1000.

Now some say you can offset public expenses against your bond, is this a matter of your bond taking a financial hit as it were, and the gov tells the bond holder, sorry this bond has incurred extra costs therefore you will get less revenue?

Under normal bonds this would not work, a bond is a promise to repay, you can't just appologise, if you can't come up with the money administratorts sell your assetss to meet your bond holder demands!

(I know there have been debates in the past on other aspects of freemanism, but the evidence is plain as day that the government borrows money and then taxes us to repay it plus the interest. This is something I am very pissed about as it is banks who just invent the money and but the bonds, but we the people are expected to actually produce to repay that money plus interest, and beceause the interest was never created we are just running too slowly on a treadmill that is going too fast)

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Are you brain dead or something.:rolleyes:

[boots]

Another questions, specifically for our Australian bretheren :)

In one of the earlier videos - I think it was the 2nd one - mention is made of a woman in South Australia who has managed to connect both a cheque book and a credit card to her bonded account.

Has this been explored further?
How has she done this - if in fact, this information is accurate?

Haven't heard of that one and haven't had a chance to watch all of the Mark Mc vids but I would say NO.

The way to get rid of credit cards is with 3 letters it has been done successfully, others ways of getting rid of bills and fines is by using a "stamp" with your social security number on it.and a copy of your BC.


This is so they know it is you and that you have supplied them with your bond/off set account details ie; SSN.

All above board and with Honour..


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[1694]

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Are you brain dead or something.:rolleyes:

genuinly trying to help, I was doing my best to explain how and why the governments achieve their commercial listing as a company and how a government can have investors.

Is the freeman movement not interested in this? I thought the escape from income tax, which is what pays for the interest on the gilts/treasuries to the investorts was part of this?

Isn't filing the UCC-1 (part of?) how you do this?

I also asked:

Now are the bonds individualised to our NI numbers as they are repaid with tax, or is it just a general bond that is issued. You can purchase gov bonds yourself, owning the revenue stream it creates. If you can find your specific NI bond can you stake a claim to it without buying it? What then, can you get it written off or can you just collect your own revenue stream so your tax goes round in a circle?

No one else cares that a loan has been taken out in your name without your permission any you have to pay it back plus interest?

[boots]

genuinly trying to help, I was doing my best to explain how and why the governments achieve their commercial listing as a company and how a government can have investors.

Is the freeman movement not interested in this? I thought the escape from income tax, which is what pays for the interest on the gilts/treasuries to the investorts was part of this?

Isn't filing the UCC-1 (part of?) how you do this?

I also asked:

Take it to your own thread :rolleyes:

Your not helping at all but locked into confusion and confusing everyone. anyway are YOU an Australian.

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[yozhik]

Haven't heard of that one and haven't had a chance to watch all of the Mark Mc vids but I would say NO.

The way to get rid of credit cards is with 3 letters it has been done successfully, others ways of getting rid of bills and fines is by using a "stamp" with your social security number on it.and a copy of your BC.


This is so they know it is you and that you have supplied them with your bond/off set account details ie; SSN.

All above board and with Honour..


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its right there in the 2nd (I think) video ... Mark mentions a woman in South Australia who has managed to get both a cheque book and credit card connected to her BOND ACCOUNT, so that when she purchases anything, it is off set directly against her bond account.

Sounds the perfect solution!!
No need to deal with the banksters anymore.

[boots]

its right there in the 2nd (I think) video ... Mark mentions a woman in South Australia who has managed to get both a cheque book and credit card connected to her BOND ACCOUNT, so that when she purchases anything, it is off set directly against her bond account.

Sounds the perfect solution!!
No need to deal with the banksters anymore.

Ok I dont know how you would do that. Maybe it would be up to the bank to put on her check book, her bond number or she could have one printed up for her.

This how it is done by my understanding:rolleyes:/comprehension.;)


ACCEPTED FOR VALUE AND SURRENDERED FOR VALUE FOR SETTLEMENT AND CLOSURE.

Account exempt from levy and duties
Exemption Identification Number 303647473

Signature...........Date.....

The Freeman of the Land commonly addressed
By the name of Joe Andrew of the family Blogs

Charge to the account of JOE ANDREW BLOGS

303647473

You then photo copy it over any bill along with a copy of your BC.

This can be done with public corporations large ones as they have Lawyers who understand what is going on.



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[yozhik]

I'm not sure of the etiquette for using information from another forum :confused: ... but in my quest for knowledge, I have found some very worthwhile "titbits" that might help others here ... for example;

On the subject of receiving letters at "the place that you sleep" ;)


As "agent" and representative of the strawman, I feel obliged to open it's mail and respond.

HOWEVER, I do not open any letters addressed to Mr. ALL CAPS ENTITY.

If they assume that the strawman is flesh and blood and gender based, by adding Mr. to it, then it's not only NOT me, it's also NOT the strawman.

In those cases, I write "INCORRECTLY ADDRESSED" RETURN TO SENDER.

I have not stated that the address is incorrect, nor that it is not possible to contact me or the strawman at that address, merely that it is wrongly written.

You are correct in saying that it is illegal to open another person(s) mail, so I always make sure.

Original Source (http://www.suijuris.net/forum/93688-post33.html)

and ... on the subject of being presented court papers;


All I do is staple a letter to the presentment/claim with the date received/date replied, their details, their reference number, with a title of NOTICE OF CONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE and the one line, "Your negotiable instrument has been accepted for value upon proof of claim and returned WITHOUT DISHONOUR." and take the lot back to the register (maybe clerk is the same thing in the US) and ask for it to be stamped, and could I please have a copy.

Original Source (http://www.suijuris.net/forum/90484-post23.html)

and ... on the subject of receiving request for payment;


In your responses you may wish to add something like..

"I conditionally accept your offer to have me make payment upon proof of claim that there is any lawful money in circulation that is backed by anything of substance to pay with."

Original Source (http://www.suijuris.net/forum/90603-post30.html)

If I have broken forum rules by quoting posts from another forum - please let me know and I'll delete.

Have to admit ... the Aussies seem well advanced in these Freeman matters :)

[boots]

and ... on the subject of being presented court papers;
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk on Suijuris Forum

All I do is staple a letter to the presentment/claim with the date received/date replied, their details, their reference number, with a title of NOTICE OF CONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE and the one line, "Your negotiable instrument has been accepted for value upon proof of claim and returned WITHOUT DISHONOUR." and take the lot back to the register (maybe clerk is the same thing in the US) and ask for it to be stamped, and could I please have a copy.

Original Source (http://www.suijuris.net/forum/90484-post23.html)


That's an excellent example. and he is using the formula HONOUR AND DISHONOUR.


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[friendsinthesky]

its right there in the 2nd (I think) video ... Mark mentions a woman in South Australia who has managed to get both a cheque book and credit card connected to her BOND ACCOUNT, so that when she purchases anything, it is off set directly against her bond account.

Sounds the perfect solution!!
No need to deal with the banksters anymore.

I'm not too sure, but maybe you're referring to this video mark mcmurtrie aboriginal sovereignty british legal scam 3
around the 6min.

[yozhik]

I'm not too sure, but maybe you're referring to this video mark mcmurtrie aboriginal sovereignty british legal scam 3 (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pTrhUwHaghA)
around the 6min.

No ... post 1 in this thread ... pt 2 ... at around 50:43
Probably easier to fast forward the clip available here You Tube

Just a very brief mention of it, but it IS mentioned.

[friendsinthesky]

No ... post 1 in this thread ... pt 2 ... at around 50:43
Probably easier to fast forward the clip available here You Tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAIUjs9zqJE)

Just a very brief mention of it, but it IS mentioned.

Ah yes, you are right, he did say a women from "Sth Australia or Victoria"... In the aboriginal series, he does briefly repeat what he said in the 'law' video series.


Thanks to dondaz for the links.

[yozhik]

I don't know if this is going to be helpful or not, but I have started a public chat room specifically for Freeman discussion on Skype

Skype Freeman Chat Room (http://www.skype.com/go/joinpublicchat?skypename=matt.the.expat&topic=Freeman-on-the-land%20Discussion&blob=7zq7q5dzcKuOuXKscdnrGfqBBvoLdVNLrz0PLGMEO4evV 4S4ZqcwN_QEeCdJnpoZGMC00JxsMrAa)


If anyone wants to sit and discuss issues in "realtime", its open 24/7. :)

[dondaz]

From watching this, one thing struck me as highly relevant.
McMurtrie mentions that the corporation of Australia is registered with the SEC which then makes remedy available via the filing of the UCC-1 form, as mentioned in Winston Shrout's videos.

McMurtries rationale for this is that to operate in global commerce, the corporation must abide by the rules and regulations of the Universal Commercial Code.

Do I have this right so far?

OK ... if that is correct so far, then would the same remedy not be avilable to all corporations that have registered with the SEC? For example, I'm sure I have seen the anti-terrorist make mention of the UK being a corporation registered with the SEC. Does this mean that remedy would also be available via filing the UCC-1 paperwork?

Again, from what I have read in the forums, one of the issues for those exploring the Freeman status is they don't know where to start; the path to Freeman status appears to be different for each man, depending on where they are. But does this not offer a "one-stop-shop" solution to the issue?

Mate, I'm only just starting learning about Commercial Redemption in the past couple of months, but I have a vid coming out before xmas on Freeman on the Land and Commerce. Very informative and the first of its kind in this country. Lots of successes using various methods.

If anyone one wants to know about Commerce you need to get over to TPUC, they are the guys moving forward with Commercial Redemption in this country, there are people in Manchester using this technology to good effect too, but they don't have websites giving out info. I have them on film. I have a heavy film load right now, but will do my best to get this out asap!

[friendsinthesky]

Talk about looking for a needle in a hay stack. I'm over at VicRoads. (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/RulesStandardsRegulations/) trying to find where it states you must be a "licensed person" to drive on the road. Can anyone point me in the right direction.

[boots]

Talk about looking for a needle in a hay stack. I'm over at VicRoads. (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/RulesStandardsRegulations/) trying to find where it states you must be a "licensed person" to drive on the road. Can anyone point me in the right direction.

Well I don't know if there is?


Here's a question you might like to ponder.

Who made the materials that went into building the roads? So who owns the roads?

Then get them to prove that, they own the materials that made the roads.

Say to "Them" Could you sign an Affidavit of claim to have first hand personal knowledge be true and not misleading with your full commercial liability.

Watch them go into a stupor.


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[boots]

Want More Confirmation HDH (Honour Dis-Honour) Process Works? By Mark Pytellek 12th September 2008

12th September 2008
Want more confirmation HDH process works???
Hi folks.
On Wednesday had a call from my friend and workshop organiser in Melbourne David t wanting to share several results he and others have now achieved – even without paperwork, just MINDSET!
Another example:
Only a couple hundred metres from the Melb Supreme Court last week Tuesday 2nd Sept when coming to act as 1 of 2 witnesses for me before the registrar at the court, Ahmed was pulled over by a peace officer after being tailed because he was journeying in a car with DC plates (and no flippen standing yet the dill!!!! – is that big cohunas or what?).
Ahmed had plastered his plates right over the Victorian plates!!!!!!
Geese, what a blunder!!
Never mind we all have done silly mistakes.
Well the officer threatened to arrest him and kidnap him to the peace (police) station but Ahmed promptly stated he had no contract with the man and that if he wanted to take the body, it was ok, but he better have heaps of insurance because Ahmed was going to sue the pants off him.
That was sufficient to cause a stand-off.
The officer radioed for backup and 3 or 4 cars attended and officers surrounded poor ol Ahmed but he never let his cool slip.
When they threatened arrest again he said ‘fine’ but hope you all got ya houses protected because I’m going to sue the pants off you all.
Meanwhile David and I were anxiously waiting for him and after several mobile phone conversations between David and Ahmed over a 30min period David and I decided to morally assist him and sped down the road to him.
Upon approaching the group of officers we realised the ‘air’ was not hostile.
An officer was removing the heavily cemented private plates from the Victorian ones and handing the shattered remains of Ahmed’s plates back to him with orders that the car was NOT to be driven and that Ahmed would be paid a visit and served to attend court.
Ahmed agreed to leave the car and NOT drive it and after brief exchange of friendly communication between the parties, the 3 of us got in David’s car and returned to the Supreme court.
Incidentally, after we had finished with matters in the Supreme Court (presented the registrar with a Habeas Corpus for the release of a body unlawfully detained – the matter is still continuing but will soon provide updates) we went back to Ahmed’s car so that he could take it for a journey home as we didn’t wish to break any statute laws by driving it home!
Hahahahaha mmmmmmm is this fun???
This week – Wednesday, Ahmed did receive the delightful visit that many of us have experienced and despite NOT admitting to be the person on the summons and also noticing the officers that Ahmed had NO contract with them and that any kidnap would be treated as such as well as assault, the officers apprehended him to the ‘peace’ station.
When he reached the station Ahmed immediately asked for the commanding officer and a Sergeant attended to interview Ahmed.
(I failed to mention earlier that Ahmed has been profusely studying the material on my DVD’s and attended the June workshop. He has finally come round to realise short fuses achieve little and quiet diplomacy via conditional acceptances and holding people to account is achieves EVERYTHING!).
Ahmed immediately noticed him, that he had free man of the land status and was not one of the State of Victoria’s chattel unless of course Sargie babe could prove otherwise.
His precise words as far as David could recall was ‘Unless you can prove your claim that I am not a free man and that I am a person and under the jurisdiction of the State of Victoria and you will sign an Affidavit to that effect right now, I will hold you personally accountable and liable for the injuries you and your people have committed against me UNLESS YOU IMMEDIATELY RETURN ME IN YOUR CAR TO MY HOME NOW!.
Well. Low and behold, the Sergeant said ‘well, we better take you back then’, and did so immediately. He didn’t want the personal liability!!!!!
Even more interestingly, he asked Ahmed for permission to take a photo of his car, and when Ahmed looked at him in surprise, he said: ‘Oh its only so I can show the officers the car so they will in future leave you alone’ !!!!!!!!!
Howz a that?
And Ahmed hasn’t even finished his standing!
So folks what does this tell us???
The process WORKS.
* DON’T ARGUE OR ACT DISHONORABLY
* BE AT ALL TIMES POLITE BUT FIRM. Eg.
I am not that person.
Show me the contract, because if you do not, I take it there isn’t one and I will hold YOU personally liable for anything you do to harm me.
Are you insured?
Is your house protected?
What’s your bank account number?
Where do you live?
* HOLD THEM PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE AND LIABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
IF OFFICERS ARE NEGLIGENT OR FAIL TO PERFORM THEIR DUTY OR BREACH THEIR DUTY, THEIR INSURANCE IS VOID.
THEREFORE ASK THEM FOR THEIR INSURANCE INDEMNITY NUMBER.
* AMONGST ALL ELSE, DITCH THE FEAR BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO, THEY BECOME FEARFUL.
REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY
* ACT AS THE CREDITOR AND YOU CONTROL THE CONVERSATION AND SITUATION
To achieve the results we expect/desire do we not have to act like creditors in order to achieve it?
There are many leaders within the wider group in every state of Australia and abroad. If we ALL take stock of how we approach those within the establishment, we will hold them accountable and the day will come when a team of peace officers will be commissioned that will immediately identify creditors from debtors and treat them as such, even offering to protect creditors against vexatious agents within the establishment as well as acting to penalise those within the establishment that wrongfully and unlawfully harm people.
I see the day coming
Because I see many within the establishment who do NOT like what they do and would rally to a process/system of honour and away from dishonour.
That time is coming FAST.
I can only say: ‘Where do you wish to be?’
Amongst those walking as creditors, and speaking with ‘power’, acting in honour
Or
Being a winging, complaining, duck shoving, cowering debtor – expecting all remedies from Government, the precise group that currently enslave you? (Not implying all people are like this!)
ISN’T IT OUR CHOICE? YOU CHOSE WISELY AND… DO IT NOW!
Well done Ahmed, and David who have joined the small of free people family who journey wherever they wish without state interference. I truly hope this encourages more to follow.
MP

[boots]

(http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/5760)[/URL] Protect Your Bank Account - Put Bank Manager On Notice - We Wish To Respectfully Put You And Your Bank On Friendly Notice

Tue, 11/25/2008 - 22:04 — [URL="http://www.loveforlife.com.au/user/3"]Arthur Cristian (http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/5762) John Doe
Jane Doe
Holders in Due Course and Principals
Post Office Box 1
Nerang Queensland 4211
Ben Doe
Manager
Bendigo Bank
We wish to respectfully put you and your Bank on friendly notice, as is it not our duty to look after your interests and provide you a duty of care responsibility to look out for your affairs too as it is not our intent to ever injure you or anyone else, that should 1 cent be taken from account number xxxxxxxx without our written permission and consent of which we are Holders in Due Course are we not, We will hold you personally accountable and liable for financial injuries as well as the Bank you represent and for replacing the amounts unlawfully withdrawn.
This is our notice to you to not only protect the account from unwanted pirates but to protect you too from any potential injury caused by any naïve, mistaken or negligent action you or your employees may take against our account and to notify us if and when any attempt is made to withdraw funds from that account.
Further we do not authorize any party to freeze the account and should that event occur we shall also be damaged commercially and that we instruct you now to also not permit the account to be frozen and that should it be frozen against our now expressed wishes, will and orders that you will also accept and agree to bare accountability and liability for injury for the damages you or nominee and the bank cause.
Should we not receive any reply from you in timely manner (7 days) confirming our requirements, it shall be taken the matter is settled and that you and the bank both shall protect this account and also accept liability should the account either be frozen or have funds unlawfully withdrawn
Thank you for your honourable and timely assistance in this matter
yours Sincerely
by,
John: Doe & Jane: Doe
Principals and Primary Creditors

[boots]

aw (http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/5760) › Comments By Mark Pytellek - Ideas, Discussions, Opinions, Examples (http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/5762) My Phone Call From The ATO re Non-Lodgment Advice Form

Tue, 10/28/2008 - 18:30 — Arthur Cristian (http://www.loveforlife.com.au/user/3) My Phone Call From ATO re Non-Lodgment Advice Form
This is from the Road Runner; interesting your thoughts appreciated...
[Mark's comments inside brackets]
Hi, I just finished a phone conversation with a Donna Skelton from the ATO (Queensland) who was asking me to clarify the documents I sent in about 3 months ago (i.e the non lodgment form from page 4 of the taxpack and a letter titled 'Notice of Correction of Previous Filing'.)
She was very friendly and cordial, and so was I.
I told her that I wanted to help her out as much as I could.
I told her immediately that I only accept correspondence in writing and that she should forward further correspondence to the postal location indicated on my original letter to them.
She said that as far as she could see I was a 'wage-earner' and that my filing of the non-lodgment advice was 'wrong', and that it also may constitute fraud.
[Oh really! No problem, I'm happy to accept your conclusion as long as you put that down on an affidavit and sign it please because I only accept any testimony under full and complete penalty of perjury.
hahahahaha
She would have said 'no way, I don't have to do that' to which you say I know you don't have to, but I take it by your refusal that you were telling me a porky, maybe even with intent to injure me, and also that you were giving misleading info which is a fraud bordering on gross negligence and could lead from a minor misdemeanour charge to a serious charge of gross negligence.
So was it your intent to deceive me or were you just testing the waters because if it was the second one, you better put on a life-raft because your boat is about to be torpedoed and sunk.
ahahahahahah
hooooooooooeeeeeeeeee
Iz ya havin fun yet?
Get the picture?
Just redraft them and conditionally accept their testimony/claim.
'Oh by the way, honey bun, pumpkin pie, sugar plum, I am recording this conversation'
hee hee
Watch em run, she would have hung up and never called you again.
hahahahahaa]
Then she said that the 'notice to agent is notice to principal' on my letter was 'not valid in Australia',
[Oh really, honey bun - pumpkin pie, I'll accept that as long as you will sign an affidavit so I can hold you accountable under your full and complete commercial liability.
So honey poo poo, keep on making your wild claims and I shall note that the cheque you're paying me is getting bigger and bigger, and by the way, the people listening to this recording will loooooooooove your wild claims and maybe, some might call you up and ask for a cheque from you too.
hahahahaha
use de fear aginst them!!!!]
only the US - which of course I conditionally accepted upon proof of claim. I acted innocent and said 'oh, really?, So you are saying that my sending a letter to you as an agent of the ATO is not effectively noticing the ATO' and she corrected me and said that she was an employee of the ATO, not an agent, right ...
[Is likely she is correct but we ain't going to split hairs ey?]
Then, having mentioned nothing about being a secured party-creditor (although it is on the letter), or being a non-taxpayer, or a dissenter or in any way arguing with what she said, upon mention of a notice of standing and claim of right (neither of which I have yet sent to the ATO) she said that it would be a 'mistake to go down this path', that 'thousands of people have tried and they are never successful.
[Oh, pleeeeeeeeeeease mam, may I have a copy of the list to verify your claim so I can see where the silly buggers went wrong because this bunny ain't so daft to make any silly billy mistakes like that and perhaps I could educate the silly dills to come back after you with some humongous injury claims you caused them pleeeease!]
It always ends in court...'...right...
[NO!, unless we cock it up.
Is getting easier to hold em accountable, but I must confess, oh geez, here I go testifying again, please indemnify me, that I find it thrilling facing the opponent face to face rather then over the phone but if you got to deal with them that way, then fire away and lets get them!!!
Key is HAVE NO FEAR AND USE WHAT TACTICS THEY USE AGAINST THEM
HAHAHAHAHA
HOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEE]
Again I conditionally accepted this upon proof of claim - though it is hard to say this and to keep sounding non-adversarial
[MUCH EASIER AND MORE NATURAL TO SAY --- HEY cheeky babe, I'm happy to accept that AS LONG AS bla bla bla i.e. as long as you can show that a person/taxpayer is NOT required to file a return and that a man/people is,
or as long as you can prove I am a person and not a man,
or .... I am a citizen/taxpayer/resident and NOT a man
.... That I live in Australia and am NOT a foreigner (living without the corporate fiction called Australia) ]
I didn't personally feel confident enough to do anything other than conditionally accept what she was saying and to ask for it in writing.
The call caught me off-guard somewhat, even though I called her back from a message she left, and then she called me again.
Good to know this, for the sake of others who will probably be questioned too.
I definitely need to follow this up with some kind of notice of standing and claim of right, rebutting their presumptions - ie. that I am a wage-earner.
[Do I really look like a 'wage earner' and not a man?
Geez, I better get me eyes checked lady.]
Hope it helps.

[boots]

http://loveforlife.com.au/search/google?cx=013092096426241384826%3Ahp77bvehdlo&cof=FORID%3A11&query=mark+pytellek&op=Search&form_id=google_cse_searchbox_form#1024




If any Australians are interested in attending a workshop

PM me I will be happy to help.


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[bsmurph83]

Hi, if anyone has Mark McMurtrie's contact details or knows someone who does (an associate or friend), please email me and let me know.

Many thanks to you in advance.


bsmurph83

[tien an]

How the hell did I miss this thread in November?

MMc is the proverbial dog's bollocks!

Someone buy that man a beer.

tien an.

[owltui]

http://loveforlife.com.au/search/google?cx=013092096426241384826%3Ahp77bvehdlo&cof=FORID%3A11&query=mark+pytellek&op=Search&form_id=google_cse_searchbox_form#1024




If any Australians are interested in attending a workshop

PM me I will be happy to help.


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Mark was kidnapped last week and is currently held in the Police Watchhouse, "charged" for "driving" unlicensed in an unregistered "vehicle". He refused to contract with them and has appeared twice before Magistrates.
It seems that TPTB are endeavouring to make an example of him.
He has been refused bail now and will be in jail until the next court appearance 30th June. He apparently was stripped naked and tortured on Thursday night (all night) as the police would not allow him to sleep.

Please hold this good man (who has done no harm and helped many) in your thoughts and send him energy in support.

[dondaz]

mark was kidnapped last week and is currently held in the police watchhouse, "charged" for "driving" unlicensed in an unregistered "vehicle". He refused to contract with them and has appeared twice before magistrates.
It seems that tptb are endeavouring to make an example of him.
He has been refused bail now and will be in jail until the next court appearance 30th june. He apparently was stripped naked and tortured on thursday night (all night) as the police would not allow him to sleep.

Please hold this good man (who has done no harm and helped many) in your thoughts and send him energy in support.

Mark Pytellek was kidnapped, not Marc McMurtrie:rolleyes: Still, bloody bad news eh!

[dondaz]

Check this out folks. This is bad news. They can not be allowed to get away with this!


Action is underway to free a respected and honourable member of the community detained in high security. Family, friends and supporters of a respected, imprisoned Beenleigh member of the community, Mark Pytellek, have filed a Writ of Habeas Corpus in the Brisbane Supreme Court, to be heard at 10am on Monday (April 27th) in order to have this man released, and this injustice corrected.

Mark Pytellek, who speaks at Private meetings, and assists people in the Community in times of trouble & hardship, has been subjected to torture at the Beenleigh Watch House. He was denied due process after being arrested last Thursday, 16th April 2009, at 5.38pm, at a police breath-test roadblock on the M1 Motorway.

Mark objected to his civil rights & liberties being deprived, and the forcefulness of the police officers’ actions. He objected to the forced interrogation & intimidation, on the grounds that he had done nothing wrong, had not caused injury or damages to anyone or anything, therefore did not permit police to trespass on his partner’s private property (the car they were travelling in). He was subsequently dragged from the car and assaulted by police at the roadblock.

Mark had not been drinking any alcohol, nor was he under the influence of any substance.

Mark was subjected to further injustice the following day by a female Magistrate who took offence when Mark, for reasons of lawful protection, sought to name himself in court without the title ‘Mister’.

Mark faces minor alleged traffic offences that already had been settled privately and lawfully.

Mark has been transferred to the high-security Arthur Gorrie Correctional Centre after being held 7 nights at Beenleigh Watch House on accusation of charges that would normally be dealt with by a summons.

We urge the media to pursue this matter as we fear Mark has been targeted for standing up for and protecting all our human rights & liberties.

Kind Regards …

Contact numbers: Support team 0433 174482 or email me28888 @ hotmail.com

Beenleigh Watch House (07) 3807 7770; Supreme Court Brisbane (07) 3247 4313

Arthur Gorrie Correctional Centre (07) 3212 0411.


Get calling and e-mailing folks. This guy needs our help!

[bsmurph83]

G'day again, boots. Just wonderin': this post of yours mentioning someone associated with Mark M; it isn't Mark Pytellek is it?

If it ain't then I don't suppose you managed to get permission to post name/contact details yet? (Apologies if we've been through this already haha)

[boots]

G'day again, boots. Just wonderin': this post of yours mentioning someone associated with Mark M; it isn't Mark Pytellek is it?

If it ain't then I don't suppose you managed to get permission to post name/contact details yet? (Apologies if we've been through this already haha)

Yes I did.:)

[bsmurph83]

This how it is done by my understanding:rolleyes:/comprehension.;)


ACCEPTED FOR VALUE AND SURRENDERED FOR VALUE FOR SETTLEMENT AND CLOSURE.

Account exempt from levy and duties
Exemption Identification Number 303647473

Signature...........Date.....

The Freeman of the Land commonly addressed
By the name of Joe Andrew of the family Blogs

Charge to the account of JOE ANDREW BLOGS

303647473

You then photo copy it over any bill along with a copy of your BC.

This can be done with public corporations large ones as they have Lawyers who understand what is going on.



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Hi boots, returning to an earlier post of yours. Maybe you or someone else here can help me out with something I haven't been able to get straight answers for so far...

The Exemption Identification Number; is this the same as the Tax File Number? If not, what is it and how do I find out what mine is? Noone seems to be able to tell me (including Centrelink)... Help! :)

With recent traffic fines, I "accepted for value" against my Tax File Number and have not heard back. Is this an indication the EIN is same/equivalent to the TFN?

Cheers!

[boots]

Hi boots, returning to an earlier post of yours. Maybe you or someone else here can help me out with something I haven't been able to get straight answers for so far...

The Exemption Identification Number; is this the same as the Tax File Number? If not, what is it and how do I find out what mine is? Noone seems to be able to tell me (including Centrelink)... Help! :)

With recent traffic fines, I "accepted for value" against my Tax File Number and have not heard back. Is this an indication the EIN is same/equivalent to the TFN?

Cheers!


Arrr G day:)

The EIN is your birth certificate number.

Your TFN.

ANd

Medicare number all go on the Bill.

Do a claim of Life.


Unless you have disconnected from the birth certificate everything else is useless.

Watch the Mark McMurtrie vids on Youtube.

Go to this site.

http://dwmlc.com/

It will take a lot of getting your head around but this guy is in the know. He's a Judge.

If its a fine be prepared to go to court.

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[pleasuredome]

hi hope mark can get some more videos done. his info is first class :cool:

[mark will i am]

Hey Boots are in the Freeman Society or Truth Movement Australia??

We're trying to organise a get together in our respective regions. I'm in SEQ, how about yourself?

P.S.: McMurtrie's deadly.

[boots]

Hey Boots are in the Freeman Society or Truth Movement Australia??

We're trying to organise a get together in our respective regions. I'm in SEQ, how about yourself?

P.S.: McMurtrie's deadly.


Hi mark will iam

Sorry I've taken so long to reply.

I'm not in any of those at the moment.

Maybe we can PM about any details;)

Regards boots.

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[lihu]

Hi Boots,
I am looking for info on whether Australia falls under the UCC.
I heard from Mark McMurtrie that something changed in November 2009 that we now fall under UCC - but can't find anything to back this up.
I still can't work out if it is of value to do a UCC-1 filing or a PPSR via New Zealand or what??????
I keep getting conflicting information.
Do you know where you can direct me to get tthe correct info.
I live in Melbourne & keen to understand more about whether we come under USA or UK jurisdiction.
Which state do you live in?
Cheers,
Lin

[haarp]

Rob Menard is great. Mark Mcmurtrie takes things in a little more of a direct approach, for instance the Policy officer who "requests" him not to travel down the highway is told in no uncertain terms that he is a civil servant and thus he is there to serve Mark. Mark reminds him of his oath's (in a round-about-way) and continues to travel.

Seems to be that the AT also knows his stuff and puts it across really well.

A really big well done to all here, regardless of the doom merchants and scare mongers. They know who they are!

You guys are the pace setters, don't even give the naysayers any respect. Ignore them, they just want to get a rise out of you.

Please continue, you are excellent value. Just watch out for next wave of doom merchants.