The Michael Tsarion Thread

[thirdwave]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7895679846369098539&ei=f94tSeikOIrgiAKdkJneDQ&q=The+Irish+Origins+Of+Civilization+Excerpt%3A

[strt]

Thanks, downloading :)

[clozaril]

thanks, a good watch !

[thirdwave]

Good call Lime... how about renaming it "The Tsarion links thread" .. or something...?

[thirdwave]

ahh allready done :)

[limelady]

Yes TW, I am thinking we might merge all the various researchers threads into one on-going thread for each researcher. Its easier for new members to find what they're looking for, and they can then just stick to the one thread if want to work their way through all the links provided for the various researchers.

:)

[thirdwave]

sounds like a good plan to me :)

[curly]

Thanks TW,fascinating watch,only got to 53 minutes before it jammed up just when he started opening up about freemasonry:mad:try again in a bit.Liked everything i heard about freemasons,templars etc being thieves in the night and abusing the ancient archive that was supposed to be for the uplift of mankind.Not you average freemasons who do plenty of charitable stuff but the bloodlines of course who are colonizing our minds as mt puts it.Empowering ourselves with the ancient oracle etc,love it he confirms lots of things that allways rang true with me.

[thirdwave]

Thanks TW,fascinating watch,only got to 53 minutes before it jammed up just when he started opening up about freemasonry:mad:try again in a bit.Liked everything i heard about freemasons,templars etc being thieves in the night and abusing the ancient archive that was supposed to be for the uplift of mankind.Not you average freemasons who do plenty of charitable stuff but the bloodlines of course who are colonizing our minds as mt puts it.Empowering ourselves with the ancient oracle etc,love it he confirms lots of things that allways rang true with me.

Yeah, i do think that people like to wash the baby out with the bath water when bashing people like Freemasons.... at the end of the day the powers they use are not evil.... they just use them for evil due to their own corruption and flaws....

and I generally think they would rather see what they do as evil than anything else... this is not taking into account the blatant evil things they do.... but im talking in general... magick...occult... so on..

[clozaril]

there is a good 2 hr interview from oct 08 on journeys with rebecca

about halfway down the page http://journeyswithrebecca.com/audio_2008.htm

[endlessvista]

He is seriously impressive.

[limelady]

There's also a good interview with Michael Tsarion and Austrailian researcher Max Igan on John Lipscomb's radio show here....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=708069&postcount=3

:)

[clozaril]

There's also a good interview with Michael Tsarion and Austrailian researcher Max Igan on John Lipscomb's radio show here....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=708069&postcount=3

:)

had a listen, checking out some more max igan thanks LL

[sentient]

I've read Tsarion's book, which is quite an interesting story. What I've noticed, though, is that he basically says Atlantis was the first civilization which began on the continent Appalachia. These alien Atlanteans then merged their genetics with that of Neanderthal creating a new race. This race equally intelligent, and did not comply with the Atlantean agenda, so they took off to the continent of Oceania where they started the Lemurian civilization.

Now, if you take a look at ancient texts you'll see a lot of similarities in how things may have happened back then, but I'm a little confused. According to Madame Blavatsky, who Tsarion admires greatly (as do I), Lemuria was before Atlantis. So how could he get this backwards?

Plus, he goes into some wild theories about possible future outcomes:

1) the "Atlanteans" figure out a way out of this planet (Stargate technology, etc), then destroy the planet once they are out of range.

2) the "Dark Archons" realize that they cannot leave the planet and simply begin ruling the world with unmitigated tyranny, relentlessly and openly. All things pretty much go to hell.

3) the good of the world rise up against their oppressors by actually acting as a sacrifice, taking with them the evil masters.

4) mankind finally discovers the correct means to end the control with no loss of life or homeworld. Mankind proves itself as its own defender and redeemer. The beasts will be slain, the maidens rescued, the planet saved, and the ending happy.

He also speaks of "Ascended Masters" and makes references to C.S. Lewis' "Macrobes", that the Atlantean "Nephilim" are these Macrobes. In fact, here's what he says:

"C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien both knew that aliens were in total control of post-diluvian Earth, that they had replicated a race of Dragons or Reptilians, that they were, since the experiments of the Elizabethans, in leage with pan-dimensional entities. The latter, Lewis called them "Macrobes." Mankind, he said, takes for granted the world of the microbe. Though not visible to the naked eye, one has merely to make use of the microscope to confirm their existence. However, on the level "above" the human, exists the Macrobes. These cannot be seen with the naked eye, either. Their existence is known, or intuited, by the subtle inner faculties of the sensitive or clairvoyant. The word Enochian literally means "inner eye." Lewis implied, that no one can ever come into an understanding of the peculiar history of planet Earth without a knowledge of these entities."

He goes on to talk about how occultist John Dee invented "Enochian Magic" in order to contact these "Dark Archons" or "Macrobes".

Some pretty interesting stuff, not too far from the extreme works of Stewart Swerdlow.

I admire Tsarion's fantastic research, but he's got some stuff that's pretty sci-fi. If you think Icke is weird, read Michael Tsarion's book.

[limelady]

Now, if you take a look at ancient texts you'll see a lot of similarities in how things may have happened back then, but I'm a little confused. According to Madame Blavatsky, who Tsarion admires greatly (as do I), Lemuria was before Atlantis. So how could he get this backwards?



This is true. Tsarion has studied Blavatskys works, and states that he admires her tenacity, yet he still draws his own conclusions from the various data he has waded through himself. This is what I like about his work - he doesn't hang off the coat-tails of other researchers. He gives them credit where it's due, but he pieces things together and forms his own thesis based on his own conclusions.

Thanks for the post! :)

[celtic isis]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7895679846369098539&ei=f94tSeikOIrgiAKdkJneDQ&q=The+Irish+Origins+Of+Civilization+Excerpt%3A

ooooooooooh thanks for posting my dear! :D

i'm watching but it keeps freezing and jumping lol

[celtic isis]

Impressive he is :)

wow i actually think Architects of control has to be one of the best presentations, just this clip alone...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtpfYpC9wPc&feature=PlayList&p=990778BE65E8BA8B&index=10&playnext=11&playnext_from=PL

Looks like the mayans were right, 2012 wil mark the end of humanity, and the birth of the post human android, basically we ARE all going to be robots. It will be the movie Equilibrium, full stop.

People are just dying to numb their emotions. They already do with prozac lol

Love the guy on Kilroy in the clip, who says his wife isn't the same woman he married, and kilroy says she's an even better woman (now she's on prozac) and her husband answers, "No, she's different."

awesome!!

I love Tsarion's attitude when it comes to the stupid people amongst us, so funny, he feels sorry for and dispises our fellow "humans" at the same time haha much like myself...

hey are more than pathetic. Esspecially on facebook. What a bunch of morons most of the people i know are! :eek:

[thirdwave]

ooooooooooh thanks for posting my dear! :D

i'm watching but it keeps freezing and jumping lol

hate it when it does that... I usually press pause...go get a drink or something and let it stream for a while..

[thirdwave]

Impressive he is :)

wow i actually think Architects of control has to be one of the best presentations, just this clip alone...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtpfYpC9wPc&feature=PlayList&p=990778BE65E8BA8B&index=10&playnext=11&playnext_from=PL

Looks like the mayans were right, 2012 wil mark the end of humanity, and the birth of the post human android, basically we ARE all going to be robots. It will be the movie Equilibrium, full stop.

People are just dying to numb their emotions. They already do with prozac lol

Love the guy on Kilroy in the clip, who says his wife isn't the same woman he married, and kilroy says she's an even better woman (now she's on prozac) and her husband answers, "No, she's different."

awesome!!

I love Tsarion's attitude when it comes to the stupid people amongst us, so funny, he feels sorry for and dispises our fellow "humans" at the same time haha much like myself...

hey are more than pathetic. Esspecially on facebook. What a bunch of morons most of the people i know are! :eek:

I just don't understand how so many can have so much apathy...all with ego's but don't think its there place to change the planet... big enough to have their egos... but apparently not big enough to make a difference.

[strt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERLgUfI98Ow

~4:10-6:10

Very good explanation of few universal rules out there.

[celtic isis]

I just don't understand how so many can have so much apathy...all with ego's but don't think its there place to change the planet... big enough to have their egos... but apparently not big enough to make a difference.

i know, it's tragic, that's what tsarion said that hit me, just the sheer narcissistic attitude that is everywhere. People will have to face their demons soon enough though, it cannot go on like this, shame that they will only do it when they've lost their homes, or don't have food to eat...it will come to that before they wake up and take a stand. they will have to be pushed to the very bottom before they act.

:(

All of Architects of Control is so brilliantly done. :) I liked the way he said we shouldn't feel (those of us who are awake, or rather who have remembered wo we are) that we have to b he scaffolding holding those other people who wouldn't listen up, sod em let them fall.

I don't care if i have to fall with them, if i do fall it will only be physically, here in pain, fear and suffering... spiritually i know were i'm going, and that there is nothing to be afraid of.

[thirdwave]

i know, it's tragic, that's what tsarion said that hit me, just the sheer narcissistic attitude that is everywhere. People will have to face their demons soon enough though, it cannot go on like this, shame that they will only do it when they've lost their homes, or don't have food to eat...it will come to that before they wake up and take a stand. they will have to be pushed to the very bottom before they act.

:(

All of Architects of Control is so brilliantly done. :) I liked the way he said we shouldn't feel (those of us who are awake, or rather who have remembered wo we are) that we have to b he scaffolding holding those other people who wouldn't listen up, sod em let them fall.

I don't care if i have to fall with them, if i do fall it will only be physically, here in pain, fear and suffering... spiritually i know were i'm going, and that there is nothing to be afraid of.


have you seen the whole video yet?... he hits on that point which i enjoyed....

This video is going to get alot of aggression come back at it I think, from you know who... :eek:... as really hits the mark.

[blondina1]

Thanks for the posts! Great stuff!

[birdontheway]

All of Architects of Control is so brilliantly done. :) I liked the way he said we shouldn't feel (those of us who are awake, or rather who have remembered wo we are) that we have to b he scaffolding holding those other people who wouldn't listen up, sod em let them fall.

I don't care if i have to fall with them, if i do fall it will only be physically, here in pain, fear and suffering... spiritually i know were i'm going, and that there is nothing to be afraid of.

I loved that bit too.

I had a real problem coming to terms with this in my life (still am, some days). I've tried so hard to explain the Truth to people, but they just don't want to see what is going on, or that something extraordinary is about to happen. It's just business as usual. The sad thing is, these are (were) my closest friends and the people I love. I want to be able to take them with me on this journey, but as most of us here know, that's not possible. It has to be experienced individual level. The loneliness of this can be hard at times.

But I remember Tsarion saying in one of his lectures that the first thing people would notice as we enter the acension period is that our relationships would be deeply affected, most of them shattered. His words are helping me come to terms with this.

I have to say...I really love this guy. He's utterly intense and fascinating. And boy has he ever done his research on all aspects of this subject. So impressive.

If anyone has a shred out doubt about the reality of the prison planet and the psychological warfare raging on around (and within) us, just watch this guy. He’s the bottomline....end of story.

[asentinel]

by project camelot people


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw24ScW6VaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I0MaTaIS44&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wffy1y77YMU&feature=related


another interesting source/opinion.

[rixxmixxhell]

by project camelot people


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw24ScW6VaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I0MaTaIS44&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wffy1y77YMU&feature=related


another interesting source/opinion.


Was that the dude that Chris Everard had on his bonus disc from Secret Space Vol 1 or 2 talking about how alien probes look into us to learn about the creator, our past lives etc as they are looking for the Creator???

I really like Tsarion, he has a different take to other researchers, or at least, the more prominent ones.

I don't mind if he has some inconsistencies in his work, or out right wrong about something - no one is perfect.

I wonder what David thinks of him??? Has he commented on him and his work??

I must buy his book. I've seen his videos.

Rick

[limelady]

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[birdontheway]

Good interview from Michael (January 2009) Patrick Timpone interviews one www.oneradionetwork.com (http://www.oneradionetwork.com)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PulcklVF3k

As mentioned before; This guy is impressive. If there is one thing I love....it's research and having conviction!

[thirdwave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqPMDInnMAA

Just seen he posted this upon his forum...

[rixxmixxhell]

Thanks Thirdwave.

[thirdwave]

no probs..

[rixxmixxhell]

In the above video Tsarion said .....''Writing manuals for war'' ??? at the end of the video.

I didn't get his point with that, what you think???

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ALSO - this is a DVD with 3 discs produced with 'RED ICE CREATIONS'

Architects of Control - Micheal Tsarion

http://www.architectsofcontrol.com/

(There's a Teaser >>)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJPVWLPFb8&feature=related

Film produced by Michal Tsarion and Blue Fire explores humankind's
future and the post-human world. Michael's focus is on individual
slave (and by extension slave owner's) psyche and internal motives
rather than the circus. Why slave needs the master and why master
needs the slave? The pyramid is made of people that lean on each
other. Mass and transpersonal psyche, which is substantially
different from individual psyche and crucial for understanding
mass control is not approached in program one, although it could
be in further programs.

Rick

[thirdwave]

In the above video Tsarion said .....''Writing manuals for war'' ??? at the end of the video.

I didn't get his point with that, what you think???

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ALSO - this is a DVD with 3 discs produced with 'RED ICE CREATIONS'

Architects of Control - Micheal Tsarion

http://www.architectsofcontrol.com/

(There's a Teaser >>)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJPVWLPFb8&feature=related

Rick



my first thought was he was talking about his works based on the "war on conciousness" he often refers to...

[bribean]

Thanks for posting.
Tsarion is a very important investigator IMO.
He is incredibly well read on occult, history and psychology among other topics, and his compasion and ego are a brilliant mix.

[bribean]

[QUOTE=rixxmixxhell;823954]In the above video Tsarion said .....''Writing manuals for war'' ??? at the end of the video.

I didn't get his point with that, what you think???

He mentions the psychic war on consciousness in the druid video.
I think that is what he meant.

[limelady]

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[lightgiver]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3250674156367789898

Excellent watch;)

[limelady]

Totally agree lightgiver......an excellent presentation and a must watch IMO. :)

[14april2000]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3250674156367789898

Excellent watch;)

I use to like his research - but some or at least one of his videos is direct disinfomation.

However he tells many truths, but has no answers via his god, psychology. His recommended book list is tops, however.

[thirdwave]

Totally agree lightgiver......an excellent presentation and a must watch IMO. :)

I really liked this to.

[thirdwave]

I use to like his research - but some or at least one of his videos is direct disinfomation.


what info are you referring to?

[geolaureate8]

Tsarion is like a walking library. His Architects of Control is top notch, maybe one of the best conspiracy documentaries. His style is extremely blunt. He doesn't mess around, and he has the tone of absolute certainty when he speaks and has the knowledge to back it up. When he goes on a rant, he can't be stopped.

Michael Tsarion Rant (ignore the weird title)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wAm4QC7EIg



.

[limelady]

Tsarion is like a walking library. His Architects of Control is top notch, maybe one of the best conspiracy documentaries. His style is extremely blunt. He doesn't mess around, and he has the tone of absolute certainty when he speaks and has the knowledge to back it up. When he goes on a rant, he can't be stopped.

Michael Tsarion Rant (ignore the weird title)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wAm4QC7EIg



.

Lol.....you have summed MT up very well! :D

I of course agree with you!

[thirdwave]

Tsarion is like a walking library. His Architects of Control is top notch, maybe one of the best conspiracy documentaries. His style is extremely blunt. He doesn't mess around, and he has the tone of absolute certainty when he speaks and has the knowledge to back it up. When he goes on a rant, he can't be stopped.

Michael Tsarion Rant (ignore the weird title)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wAm4QC7EIg



.

cool video, you make it?

[geolaureate8]

cool video, you make it?

lol no. If it was me, I'd give it a better name. That youtube user has tons of cool M Tsarion videos though.

[thirdwave]

lol no. If it was me, I'd give it a better name. That youtube user has tons of cool M Tsarion videos though.

ahh ok :)

i might have to make one at some point..

[thirdwave]

more food for thought for Tsarions Irish Origins of Civilisation books!

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/wood-you-believe-it-stonehenge-find-at-tara-1706040.html

[limelady]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67JrkPNMsQM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVI-DkYiuE8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOxu7h0trfY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEkZBIq4ef0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o-r5pFsFA0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLDkoFQNQRM

[thirdwave]

I wonder if Tsarion will speak at the Liverpool conference again...

[normaltime]

I use to like his research - but some or at least one of his videos is direct disinfomation.

However he tells many truths, but has no answers via his god, psychology. His recommended book list is tops, however.

Can u be more specific, which is the disinformation you're referring to (a genuine question)?

[thirdwave]

Can u be more specific, which is the disinformation you're referring to (a genuine question)?

maybe it was not in wiki :)

[clozaril]

there is a new mtsar interivew on consciousmedia network although it's members only at present.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOcR74HKhO8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.consciousmedianetwork.com%2F preview1.htm&feature=player_embedded

[limelady]

Thanks for the heads up cloz! :D

[thirdwave]

strange how his blog is closed for posting... Trolling problem maybe?

[celtic isis]

Damn tsarion's forum is locked at the mo? it's underwork i guess, just wanted to post the pics from the Sacre Coeur cathedral in Paris and i can't!

waaaaaaaaaaaaa!

oh well, some amazing posting on there on the symbolism forum!

um i don't know if i can post the link here?

EDIT: thirdwave just posted on this!

[thirdwave]

Damn tsarion's forum is locked at the mo? it's underwork i guess, just wanted to post the pics from the Sacre Coeur cathedral in Paris and i can't!

waaaaaaaaaaaaa!

oh well, some amazing posting on there on the symbolism forum!

um i don't know if i can post the link here?

EDIT: thirdwave just posted on this!


what do you mean?, you want to post the tsarion thread link here?

Thats meant to be ok no?

[clozaril]

full interview up now

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/mtsarion.htm

[clozaril]

interview from january earlier this year

http://redlotus.org/wp-content/uploads/E012.mp3


Topics include: 1. The Future of the Human Race

2. Mask is coming down: Living in the Age of Apocalypse

3. Is the quarantine lifting on our planet

4. Shiva, the Holy Spirit and the return to Selfhood

5. The 4 Alternative Outcomes for Humanity

[clozaril]

tsarion was on coast to coast last night, haven't had a listen yet, will torrent.

[celtic isis]

what do you mean?, you want to post the tsarion thread link here?

Thats meant to be ok no?

lol no hunny i think i meant i wanted to post stuff on tsarion's forum...and alas it's still blocked!

Gawd i love Mike, anyone who has anything against him is a right old begrudging twat :)

he's the awesomest, i just love how highly Irishly strung he is...a bit like meself :D

haha i could talk to him for hours on end...sigh :)

[thirdwave]

lol no hunny i think i meant i wanted to post stuff on tsarion's forum...and alas it's still blocked!

Gawd i love Mike, anyone who has anything against him is a right old begrudging twat :)

he's the awesomest, i just love how highly Irishly strung he is...a bit like meself :D

haha i could talk to him for hours on end...sigh :)

ahh ok, yeah I'm looking forward to the part two of A of Control.

Not sure why its closed, I bet you it was troll central, That No where to run prat liked to shit stir and there have been a few people get in MTs face over it all so maybe he is to busy to run the site like that as I think he pretty much ran it.

[normaltime]

maybe it was not in wiki :)

Lol, too many people take info in Wiki as the gospel truth.

I'm curious to what I will find in Wiki if I were to type in the name Jesus...:)

[thirdwave]

Lol, too many people take info in Wiki as the gospel truth.

I'm curious to what I will find in Wiki if I were to type in the name Jesus...:)

it can be useful when looking into certain things and looking for education on some matters, But with stuff that is very opinionated, the pages can be edited instantly...!

[clozaril]

michael tsarion was on jeff rense show 22/10/09

[limelady]

michael tsarion was on jeff rense show 22/10/09

Thanks Clozaril. I finally a few days ago caught up with part 2 of his Conscious Media Network interview. It was very good.....they covered a lot of ground!

Will check out the Jeff Rense interview.

[clozaril]

was on coast to coast last week as well, promoting architects of control made with henrik of redice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDSAIojCdxE

[thirdwave]

was on coast to coast last week as well, promoting architects of control made with henrik of redice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDSAIojCdxE

will listen this weekend , cheers

[lightgiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2yoT9lhxmU

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Michael+Tsarion+conspiracy+tr uth+bloodline+atlantis+mu+terrorism+corruption+che mtrails+Nazi+eugenics+vaccine+economy+Freemasonry+ revolution+reptilian+freedom+astrotheology+religio n+government+9/11+Ireland+2012+New+World+Order+microchip+War+pand emic+history+occult+Luciferianism+Satanism+Vatican +Illuminati+CFR+Bilderberg+Group+Trilateral+Commis sion+Skull+and+Bones+UFO+alien+Lemuria+DNA+alchemy +science+genetics+control+ancient+text+Egypt+Sumer ia+blood+technology&search=related&v=3sLOJHaRt4I&page=1

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7961538/Michael-Tsarion-The-Coronation-of-Queen-Elizabeth-Windsor-An-Overview-of-the-Occult-Symbolism-Involved-Slideshow

[mr_pixie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2yoT9lhxmU

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Michael+Tsarion+conspiracy+tr uth+bloodline+atlantis+mu+terrorism+corruption+che mtrails+Nazi+eugenics+vaccine+economy+Freemasonry+ revolution+reptilian+freedom+astrotheology+religio n+government+9/11+Ireland+2012+New+World+Order+microchip+War+pand emic+history+occult+Luciferianism+Satanism+Vatican +Illuminati+CFR+Bilderberg+Group+Trilateral+Commis sion+Skull+and+Bones+UFO+alien+Lemuria+DNA+alchemy +science+genetics+control+ancient+text+Egypt+Sumer ia+blood+technology&search=related&v=3sLOJHaRt4I&page=1

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7961538/Michael-Tsarion-The-Coronation-of-Queen-Elizabeth-Windsor-An-Overview-of-the-Occult-Symbolism-Involved-Slideshow


Thanks for this.

[mr_pixie]

Links

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Michael+Tsarion+--+Irish+Origins+of+Civilization+&emb=0&aq=f#

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=michael+tsarion&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10

[mr_pixie]

http://www.redicecreations.com/

Why have Red Ice got some ones head infront of a Back sun?

[lightgiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0l94TUPRA

[thirdwave]

http://www.redicecreations.com/

Why have Red Ice got some ones head infront of a Back sun?

looks like an eclipse to me.

[mr_pixie]

looks like an eclipse to me.

Well i wasnt sure but you see pics with the Sun behind people.

[thirdwave]

Well i wasnt sure but you see pics with the Sun behind people.

yeah, some think Red Ice are dodgy but I cant see why they would interview so many people for some kind of negative thing...

they are much better existing than not.

AW started than hole thing off really but he got about a years air play off of them and still has loads of interviews in the archives...

[mr_pixie]

they are much better existing than not.

True.