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thirdwave
20-11-2008, 02:40 PM
Ok, IMO homosexuality is compleatly harmless, does not hurt anyone and love can still be expressed with two Gay partners.... also I don't think there is anything wrong with sex before marriage .... In fact I am not even sure why marriage must take part as love is not labelled by a ceremony it is simply an emotion.


So are there any Christians here who believe it is ok to be a homosexual or to have sex before marriage....?

As far as I can tell the bible clearly opposes them both, So what are the views of a Christian who thinks it is ok

?

snoopsnuffleopagus
20-11-2008, 03:14 PM
Cordial Felicitations; Thirdwave:

I am not a Christian, yet as one who has studied the matter, I may be able to cast some light in a positive manner, as concerns this most provocative Topic: Promicuous Hetero and Unigender Sexual Activity.

As far as the Bible is concerned; the Laws of YHWH are for preserving the Health, Safety and Welfare of the Individual; thus the Tribe-us.

Even on this Board stories are related asto the Emotional Distress that is no stranger to Licentious Behaviour.

It is Cause and Effect. It is certainly a Scientific and Historical Fact that Licentious Behaviour manifests as a multitude of Negatives for Individuals and Groups.

STDs; Broken Families; Emotional, Mental, Spiritual Depression, often manifesting as crimes/violence against oneself or others.

STDs are especially heinous. Not only do they diminish the Potential of the Individual afflicted, but often this disease is 'passed on' to successive generations. This results in a child being born blind two generations removed.

Many of the Laws of YHWH are for the preservation of your blood. Once your blood is polluted, your potential health and wellbeing are compromised. Preservation of the blood is very important for you and those you sire and those around you.

It is amazing but 4,000 Years ago YHWH spoke to several million people in the Desert about Biology.

The Tao of Yahweh is for the Man to be the Head of his Family, and he may have as many wives as he can properly provide for.

King Shlomo/Solomon overdid it: 700 wives; 1,500 Concubines. lol

Families remain united. Disease free, emotionaly, mentaly, spiritualy peaceful.

I like the Amish alot :) , do you Brits have Amish over there?

eternal_spirit
20-11-2008, 03:25 PM
Ok, IMO homosexuality is compleatly harmless, does not hurt anyone and love can still be expressed with two Gay partners.... also I don't think there is anything wrong with sex before marriage .... In fact I am not even sure why marriage must take part as love is not labelled by a ceremony it is simply an emotion.


So are there any Christians here who believe it is ok to be a homosexual or to have sex before marriage....?

As far as I can tell the bible clearly opposes them both, So what are the views of a Christian who thinks it is ok

?

No problem with that.

But you know the Koran is against homos yet many Muslim men are gay or bi sexual. And you heard about gay Bikers for Christ. :D

thirdwave
20-11-2008, 03:57 PM
Cordial Felicitations; Thirdwave:

I am not a Christian, yet as one who has studied the matter, I may be able to cast some light in a positive manner, as concerns this most provocative Topic: Promicuous Hetero and Unigender Sexual Activity.

As far as the Bible is concerned; the Laws of YHWH are for preserving the Health, Safety and Welfare of the Individual; thus the Tribe-us.

Even on this Board stories are related asto the Emotional Distress that is no stranger to Licentious Behaviour.

It is Cause and Effect. It is certainly a Scientific and Historical Fact that Licentious Behaviour manifests as a multitude of Negatives for Individuals and Groups.

STDs; Broken Families; Emotional, Mental, Spiritual Depression, often manifesting as crimes/violence against oneself or others.

STDs are especially heinous. Not only do they diminish the Potential of the Individual afflicted, but often this disease is 'passed on' to successive generations. This results in a child being born blind two generations removed.

Many of the Laws of YHWH are for the preservation of your blood. Once your blood is polluted, your potential health and wellbeing are compromised. Preservation of the blood is very important for you and those you sire and those around you.

It is amazing but 4,000 Years ago YHWH spoke to several million people in the Desert about Biology.

The Tao of Yahweh is for the Man to be the Head of his Family, and he may have as many wives as he can properly provide for.

King Shlomo/Solomon overdid it: 700 wives; 1,500 Concubines. lol

Families remain united. Disease free, emotionaly, mentaly, spiritualy peaceful.

I like the Amish alot :) , do you Brits have Amish over there?


Ok so I take it that you agree that homosexulaity is wrong and the bible does stand against it...

for the reason that it spreads STD's..

But it is not proven that homosexuality is souly responsible for STD's.... and we can catch it from any form of sex...it is a myth that Gay people have created these diseases...

the reason that maybe more Gay people have got them is there is no danger of impregnating the partner so less protection has been used...

In the bible there are also a few off quotes that some even feel suggest that Jesus him self was gay.... I would not say its anything conclusive but some odd statements made...

(just for the record I'm not gay)

what about the fornication part

thirdwave
20-11-2008, 03:58 PM
No problem with that.

But you know the Koran is against homos yet many Muslim men are gay or bi sexual. And you heard about gay Bikers for Christ. :D

Yes the Koran is also against it....

I'm just interested to hear if any Muslims or Christians here do not oppose homosexuality and if so what their views are on these scriptures...

stfd
20-11-2008, 04:04 PM
Ok, IMO homosexuality is compleatly harmless, does not hurt anyone and love can still be expressed with two Gay partners.... also I don't think there is anything wrong with sex before marriage .... In fact I am not even sure why marriage must take part as love is not labelled by a ceremony it is simply an emotion.


So are there any Christians here who believe it is ok to be a homosexual or to have sex before marriage....?

As far as I can tell the bible clearly opposes them both, So what are the views of a Christian who thinks it is ok

?

Well you are basically against everything. You 'attack' all you dont agree with.

thirdwave
20-11-2008, 04:07 PM
Well you are basically against everything. You 'attack' all you dont agree with.

Im not attacking anything... I am asking the question... and am more than happy to learn more.

I have made it clear I do not believe in the bible..ok, But I am only trying to find out more about other peoples view points of it.

if you admit there are things in the bible that are wrong or have not been written very well, is it the end of the world?....

stfd
20-11-2008, 04:17 PM
Ok, IMO homosexuality is compleatly harmless, does not hurt anyone and love can still be expressed with two Gay partners.... also I don't think there is anything wrong with sex before marriage .... In fact I am not even sure why marriage must take part as love is not labelled by a ceremony it is simply an emotion.


So are there any Christians here who believe it is ok to be a homosexual or to have sex before marriage....?

As far as I can tell the bible clearly opposes them both, So what are the views of a Christian who thinks it is ok

?

I regard it as an ilness.
Hence i dont judge it.
If however someone starts saying it isn't an ilnees, then mt attitude changes.

alzee
20-11-2008, 04:23 PM
I regard it as an ilness.
Hence i dont judge it.
If however someone starts saying it isn't an ilnees, then mt attitude changes.

It isn't an illness.

What on earth makes you think it is?

stfd
20-11-2008, 04:33 PM
It isn't an illness.

What on earth makes you think it is?

:confused: is a mental and phisical disorder obviously

alzee
20-11-2008, 04:40 PM
:confused: is a mental and phisical disorder obviously

why do you say "obviously"?

stfd
20-11-2008, 04:51 PM
why do you say "obviously"?

Because, in my opinion, this can't have any other humanly logical explication.

snoopsnuffleopagus
20-11-2008, 05:07 PM
Ok so I take it that you agree that homosexulaity is wrong and the bible does stand against it...

for the reason that it spreads STD's..

Throughout the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation; notice three words: Righteous/ness; Sin; Iniquity.

Righteous/ness is the Tao of Yahweh
in accord with YHWHs 613 Laws; Judgements and Statutes.

Sin; Iniquity is: Transgressing, 'breaking' these Laws.

A Humanbeing cannot 'Break' these Laws, they can only 'Break' themselves against these Laws. The Laws are immutable. :)

It is ALL promiscuous behaviour; Hetero and Unigenderal that 'brings curses'. Not just STDs, but the other reasons I listed also. There is Bigtime Biology goin' on when peeps are exchanging fluids. And because the ramifications are not immediate, they receive less than 'Due Respect'.

When Yahshua declared the Kingdom of Heaven was within; He was informing us Righteous Behaviour results in inner peace. Equilibrium.

The Book is about 'Overcoming' the 'pulls of the flesh'; 'Carnality'.

But it is not proven that homosexuality is souly responsible for STD's.... and we can catch it from any form of sex...it is a myth that Gay people have created these diseases...

the reason that maybe more Gay people have got them is there is no danger of impregnating the partner so less protection has been used...

'As a swallow alights upon a branch, a curse causeless does not come'.

It's Biology Thirdwave, nothing personal. ;) These diseases have been around for many, many millenia. This is one of the reasons Father Yahweh had the 12 Tribes Sojourn in Egypt, not only would they become aware of the Cosmology of Gods/Elohim, the Egyptians served. They would be aware of all the cultural ramifications of the Egytians 'Lifestyle', and this included many of the STDa we are familiar with today.

So when YHWH took them out of Egypt and had the Big Meet and Greet in the Desert. He was known as Yahweh Ropha-Yahweh the Healer; because He cleansed their blood of all the Egyptian Diseases. And His Laws are intended to prevent peeps from aquiring these diseases, of which Modern Science has not been able to relieve. These are found in the 'Blessings & Curses' verses. He tells them: 'This day you are Free Moral Agents, you make the choice yourself between Life and Death'. Choose Life.

Deuteronomy 28
58 If you do not carefully observe and do all the words of the Law, that are written in this book, in order that you may reverence this glorious and reverent Name: YAHWEH YOUR FATHER,
59 Then it will come to pass that you will cause fearful plagues, harsh and prolonged disasters, and severe and lingering illnesses to be brought upon you and your descendants.
60 It will also come to pass that you will cause all the diseases of Egypt which you were afraid of, to be brought back upon you, and they will cling to you;
61 It will come to pass that you will cause every other sickness and every other disaster, which is not written in this Book of the Law, to also be brought upon you, until you are destroyed.

Yahweh was telling His 'Chosen Peeps'. if they obey His Laws they will have 'Blessings'; Peace; Equilibrium. If they don't, they themselves will be the Authors of their own problems.


In the bible there are also a few off quotes that some even feel suggest that Jesus him self was gay.... I would not say its anything conclusive but some odd statements made...

(just for the record I'm not gay)

Wishful Thinking. Yahshua Messiah was aware of His Mission, to be the Unblemished Lamb, perfectly Righteous. He was Tempted by HaSatan herself with Rulership of every Kingdom on Earth, because they were hers to give. He declined. Overcame. Yahshua Messiah, at that time demonstrating to humans the Power of YHWHs Holy Spirit over the Carnal desires of the Flesh. He was using %100 Percent of His Brain/Mind Potential, subject to Yahweh and His Laws. Perfectly Righteous.

what about the fornication part

Again Biology; nothing Personal, also many Negative Socio/Economic/Political/Emotional/Mental/Spiritual Ramifications. Everybody 'pays the price' for this behaviour someway, everyday. This is nothing 'New', just more prevelant and open.

Go to the CDC website; type in STDs and get informed.

What about the Amish in Brittania, got any?

And you know since Yahshua we are in a Phase of Yahwehs plan where we don't take you to the Gates of the City and Lapidate you?

Yahwehs Position is: you will bear the cost of your errant behaviour in your own body. And should you procreate after polluting your blood, you will pass this on to your descendants.

Do you still take the Position promiscuous sexual activity, Hetero and Unigenderal, is 'Harmless'?

I think not. :( tear

Deuteronomy 30:19—
I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Because you are free agents to make your own choice between righteousness and evil—therefore choose life, so both you and your children may live.


See that Thirwave? Free Will

Peeps just don't like Yahwehs Concept of Righteousness.

thirdwave
20-11-2008, 10:49 PM
Again Biology; nothing Personal, also many Negative Socio/Economic/Political/Emotional/Mental/Spiritual Ramifications. Everybody 'pays the price' for this behaviour someway, everyday. This is nothing 'New', just more prevelant and open.

Go to the CDC website; type in STDs and get informed.

What about the Amish in Brittania, got any?

And you know since Yahshua we are in a Phase of Yahwehs plan where we don't take you to the Gates of the City and Lapidate you?

Yahwehs Position is: you will bear the cost of your errant behaviour in your own body. And should you procreate after polluting your blood, you will pass this on to your descendants.

Do you still take the Position promiscuous sexual activity, Hetero and Unigenderal, is 'Harmless'?

I think not. :( tear

Deuteronomy 30:19ó
I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Because you are free agents to make your own choice between righteousness and evilótherefore choose life, so both you and your children may live.


See that Thirwave? Free Will

Peeps just don't like Yahwehs Concept of Righteousness.



Well at least you attempt to look for a more scientific approach to it its still very much just your perspective on why you think the texts where there... and it still does not make total sense of them... its just a theory really.....

I repeat there is no evidence that STD's comes from Homosexuals alone... and also homosexuals do not have to penetrate each other to be gay anyway....

you are basing this on some story or myth that your god cured all the STDs and told people not to recreate them by having gay sex.... as if they cant be spread in any other way... and why would 2 gay people who then decided to have sex with each other and be together forever then be a threat to others?

why is that not clarified in the bible that its bad to spread disease rather than deeming someone a bad person for simply expressing their sexuality?, why not say... "they who spreads disease through sex shall be dammed?..." .. maybe because God did not want to tell the people how the disease was granted by god.

and more to the point its all well him telling them not to do it ..but why did got create homosexuals to start with?.... to punish them and make them sexually frustrated...

as for the fornication part Im also not satisfied with you answer..

marriage is simply a bit of paper... nothing more.... it seems like allot of generalising in your answers..


and there are some very odd texts that do look like possible symbols showing Jesus being gay.... note I am not claiming it to be true... or trying to create an image, I generally find the texts quite odd and interesting.... one of them I even think could possibly be a hidden bit of symbology of showing a bit of sexual abuse and Im sure a good few "Priests" have got hot around the collar with...

like I say its a curious thing rather than claiming it as fact...but here...

Mark 14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

14:53 And they led Jesus away to the high priest: and with him were assembled all the chief priests and the elders and the scribes.

John 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

John 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

newdecades
20-11-2008, 10:51 PM
people who go around sleeping with people are taking a risk. whether you are gay or straight. just because someone is gay doesn't mean they just go around sleeping with anyone. who cares what the bible says about homosexuality? the bible also says if you marry a woman and find out she is not a virgin she should be executed, haha. there's some good stuff in the bible but there is also some very dated and obviously man made BS.

alzee
20-11-2008, 11:51 PM
Because, in my opinion, this can't have any other humanly logical explication.

So, if humans are gay then according to you, theyre sick mentally/physically...

There are many species of animal who have gay or bisexual tendencies, are they sick too?

stfd
21-11-2008, 12:15 AM
So, if humans are gay then according to you, theyre sick mentally/physically...

There are many species of animal who have gay or bisexual tendencies, are they sick too?

"So, if humans are gay then according to you, theyre sick mentally/physically"--yes


"There are many species of animal who have gay or bisexual tendencies, are they sick too?" - animals are not humans; is like saying winter differs from summer.

alzee
21-11-2008, 12:37 AM
"So, if humans are gay then according to you, theyre sick mentally/physically"--yes


"There are many species of animal who have gay or bisexual tendencies, are they sick too?" - animals are not humans; is like saying winter differs from summer.

I beg to differ. Humans are animals. If it's acceptable for some animals to be gay/bisexual, then why shouldnt it be acceptable for humans to be? So what if other animals are so different to humans... what difference does that make?

alzee
21-11-2008, 02:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIQQkNmDw0o


Oh my, thanks for that. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at attitudes like that :(

thirdwave
21-11-2008, 10:43 AM
Because, in my opinion, this can't have any other humanly logical explication.

ok so it is stange .... and there is not an explination as to why they are like that...

Now, first of all it does not mean they are ill..... it could simply be a sexual deformity.... which is one of natures natural hick ups....

But in general anything that happens through the laws of nature as homosexuality does cant be judged by man....

How do you know it is not a change in man kinds evolutionary change? .... or natures way of making sure that man kind do not over populate?

You don't.

the bottom line is... deformity...illness or what ever.... The bible deems it as a sin, there for bad.... wrong..... naughty.... and worthy of punishment.

and this is the issue raised...

So far the only answer has been that its because of STD's .... which is not an answer... it is just a theory as

a, you do not need to have penetration to be gay....
b, STD's can be passed on through anyone.
c, it is not a Fact that STD's are the fault of homosexuality.

91181
21-11-2008, 10:56 AM
I have no problem with it allthough i dont agree with anal sex i think its dangrous and unnatrual ....

thirdwave
21-11-2008, 12:47 PM
I have no problem with it allthough i dont agree with anal sex i think its dangrous and unnatrual ....

that's a fair argument....

pinkfreud
21-11-2008, 01:13 PM
hey thirdwave, just curious.. where in the bible is homosexuality and/or fornication mentioned?

and stfd, you attitude seems very prejudiced. just because you're not comfortable with it doesn't mean you have to deem it a 'physical and mental illness' especially if you are not putting forward any evidence or research that it indeed is.

I have no problem with it allthough i dont agree with anal sex i think its dangrous and unnatrual ....

i tend to think so too. and one must note that it's not only homosexual couples who engage in it. is it just me, or has anal sex become more popularised and acceptable in these recent years only :confused:

alzee
21-11-2008, 01:28 PM
Anal penetration, practiced responsibly, has no more dangers associated with it than vaginal penetration.

Whether or not you think it's unnatural, is down to you. If you don't like it, don't do it.

ayomide
21-11-2008, 01:35 PM
Sorry to burst anyone's bubble who thinks homosexuality is sin or a big abomination - well it's not a sin and it's completely natural so why supress people? Also homosexuality like heterosexuality cannot be proven - and why are there only studies being done on homosexuality but not on heterosexuality? - are these scientist themselves closeted homosexuals who infact want to find some miracle cure so they can get rid of it? Makes one think - This world is diverse, so instead of opressing it and making people misrable rather live life with joy and love for each other. I feel its completly natural but I battle with society daily about it.. so until there is stability and a balance then these problems won't go away.

Also another point I'd like to bring up I watch a video click the link below and watch yourself most if not all homophobic men and women are infact suffering from internal homophobia and are homosexual - Myself being open about my sexuality in a country that does not respect it - well this study actually confirmed what I think of homophobes having experienced them first hand. At school there were guys who would dish out insults but after they left school you know how many of them who treated me like shit are infact homosexual and I always knew.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcAcuS5aXMs

alzee
21-11-2008, 01:39 PM
Sorry to burst anyone's bubble who thinks homosexuality is sin or a big abomination - well it's not a sin and it's completely natural so why supress people? Also homosexuality like heterosexuality cannot be proven - and why are there only studies being done on homosexuality but not on heterosexuality? - are these scientist themselves closeted homosexuals who infact want to find some miracle cure so they can get rid of it? Makes one think - This world is diverse, so instead of opressing it and making people misrable rather live life with joy and love for each other. I feel its completly natural but I battle with society daily about it.. so until there is stability and a balance then these problems won't go away.

Also another point I'd like to bring up I watch a video click the link below and watch yourself most if not all homophobic men and women are infact suffering from internal homophobia and are homosexual - Myself being open about my sexuality in a country that does not respect it - well this study actually confirmed what I think of homophobes having experienced them first hand. At school there were guys who would dish out insults but after they left school you know how many of them who treated me like shit are infact homosexual and I always knew.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcAcuS5aXMs

hear hear!

thirdwave
21-11-2008, 02:28 PM
hey thirdwave, just curious.. where in the bible is homosexuality and/or fornication mentioned?

and stfd, you attitude seems very prejudiced. just because you're not comfortable with it doesn't mean you have to deem it a 'physical and mental illness' especially if you are not putting forward any evidence or research that it indeed is.



i tend to think so too. and one must note that it's not only homosexual couples who engage in it. is it just me, or has anal sex become more popularised and acceptable in these recent years only :confused:

Hi

the more extreme cases where in the Old T but both contain them ..... here is every text on homosexuality in the old and the new T...

scroll down to Mark and onwards for the NT texts...

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm

thirdwave
21-11-2008, 02:33 PM
Anal penetration, practiced responsibly, has no more dangers associated with it than vaginal penetration.

Whether or not you think it's unnatural, is down to you. If you don't like it, don't do it.

I have not heard of any dangers my self but not really looked into it fully.. there are certainly many people who don't find it harms them..

I guess we could say that the arse is created for one use and no signs of it being for another use...

but then again you could say that about any form of penetration... the hand is not created to penetrate it... or the mouth...

getting quite good this thread!

:p

size_of_light
21-11-2008, 02:46 PM
but then again you could say that about any form of penetration... the hand is not created to penetrate it... or the mouth...

getting quite good this thread!

:p

The hand does seem curiously designed to be a perfect 'gripper' and the elbow bends at just the right place to get a comfortable grip on oneself...

I'm just sayin' ! :eek: :p

alzee
21-11-2008, 02:54 PM
I have not heard of any dangers my self but not really looked into it fully.. there are certainly many people who don't find it harms them..

I guess we could say that the arse is created for one use and no signs of it being for another use...

but then again you could say that about any form of penetration... the hand is not created to penetrate it... or the mouth...

getting quite good this thread!

:p

Well there are dangers there that need to be addressed, if you're going to indulge. But as I said, if you take the proper precautions then there's no problems.

The hand does seem curiously designed to be a perfect 'gripper' and the elbow bends at just the right place to get a comfortable grip on oneself...

I'm just sayin' ! :eek: :p

:D

thirdwave
21-11-2008, 03:39 PM
The hand does seem curiously designed to be a perfect 'gripper' and the elbow bends at just the right place to get a comfortable grip on oneself...

I'm just sayin' ! :eek: :p

hey im not going to knock it ... If Jesus never had a partner and we were to assume he then never ejaculated, then maybe he really was the son of god!! :)

ayomide
21-11-2008, 04:53 PM
I have no problem with it allthough i dont agree with anal sex i think its dangrous and unnatrual ....

Lol - thats a very narrow-minded statement to make regarding homosexuals - maybe I can enlighten you heterosexual couples do infact engage in anal sex, it's best you get rid of that stigma that society has potrayed gay men as only being able to practice anal sex :rolleyes: If I may ask - as a heterosexual man - you do get turned on by watching 2 women engaging in sex and find that acceptable but if it's 2 men it's unnatural .. mmmm - I have asked many of my breeder friends if they think its accpetable for 2 women and they said yes but when I asked them what about 2 men - well I think you know how they responded - same response so no surprise ;)

Oh and just to point out something - The male's G-spot is actually found in his anus - the prostate gland :p Anal sex is not dangerous as long as precautions are taken the same as vaginal intercourse as alzee metioned. It's neither unnatural nor anything. Sex in any form is just sex.. or rather a form of physical expression so don't point a finger at a gay guy cause like my Granma told me 3 fingers always point back to you ;)

pleasuredome
21-11-2008, 04:59 PM
so don't point a finger at a gay guy cause like my Granma told me 3 fingers always point back to you ;)

you mean these 3 fingers?...

http://dedalvs.free.fr/images/slipa/handshape/8.gif

ayomide
21-11-2008, 05:03 PM
you mean these 3 fingers?...

http://dedalvs.free.fr/images/slipa/handshape/8.gif

:D
:cool::eek:

kasalt
22-11-2008, 01:49 AM
Anal sex is not dangerous as long as precautions are taken the same as vaginal intercourse as alzee metioned.
"Anal sex is one of the most effective ways to transmit an STD. The receptive partner has the highest risk of contracting the disease. HIV, Hepatitis C and all other STDs can also be transmitted this way. And donít forget the wart virus. Most people arenít aware that being exposed to the wart virus and the human papiloma virus (HPV) by contact with the anal region seems to increase the risk for anal cancer.
How can you protect yourself? Avoiding these behaviors or using a latex barrier seems to be the most appropriate way."
--Dr. Drew Pensky
Source: http://www.drdrew.com/DrewLive/article.asp?id=1294
What are the Dangers of Anal Sex?
http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/?article=faq&refid=125

thirdwave
22-11-2008, 02:26 AM
"Anal sex is one of the most effective ways to transmit an STD. The receptive partner has the highest risk of contracting the disease. HIV, Hepatitis C and all other STDs can also be transmitted this way. And donít forget the wart virus. Most people arenít aware that being exposed to the wart virus and the human papiloma virus (HPV) by contact with the anal region seems to increase the risk for anal cancer.
How can you protect yourself? Avoiding these behaviors or using a latex barrier seems to be the most appropriate way."
--Dr. Drew Pensky
Source: http://www.drdrew.com/DrewLive/article.asp?id=1294
What are the Dangers of Anal Sex?
http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/?article=faq&refid=125

first of all it does not matter.... you can still very easily get it by penetrating a vagina... of a woman's bum.. and other ways...

and that does not make being homosexual wrong... it would simply mean homosexuals have dangers they would need to take precautions with...

like all people do of all sexuality's.

and not all homosexuals practice in anal sex.

so the point is... not what dangers have arisen within sex as a whole.... but why the bible views is as simply wrong.... bad behaviour.... and so on...

when it is simply 2 people expressing there affections and love... and sexual desires with one another.

If anything the STD issue should be something one sympathises with...

kasalt
22-11-2008, 03:15 AM
so the point is... not what dangers have arisen within sex as a whole.... but why the bible views is as simply wrong.... bad behaviour.... and so on...

when it is simply 2 people expressing there affections and love... and sexual desires with one another.

I wouldn't say that the Bible is a reasonable document. "God said it, I believe it, that settles it", is pretty much the mindset that is required in order for someone to accept its draconian dictates.

It's not as though the motto of the Old Testament was "Live and let live". In fact, it was closer to "Live and let die" if you think about it. So I wouldn't expect too much reasonableness to come from that mentality, or from anyone who takes it in its literal, dead-letter sense. But even the Bible itself tells us this much (2 Corinthians 3:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=II%20Corinthians%203:6;&version=45;)).

snoopsnuffleopagus
22-11-2008, 05:10 AM
Keeping your selected verse in its overall Context, as regarding Yahwehs plan for the salvation of Humankind.

The Old Testament was concerned with; first, a a handful of Individuals, then a Group/People. these Laws, Covenant, were pertinent to less than 4 million people of Earths Population. The 12 Tribes and a few Individuals.

With the Advent of Yahshua Messiah, He and His Apostles brought Yahwehs plan to the Gentiles. Same plan, different phase.

The Laws were not done away with. Yahshua Messiah and His Apostles Upheld and Taught the Laws, yet the Penalties did not apply to the Gentiles. Perhaps even the Hebrews. The Attempted Stoning of the Adulteress illustrates this: Yahshua said: whoever was without sin could cast the first stone. According to YHWHs 613 Laws; Judgements and Statutes; it is very unlikely a perfectly sinless human would be present. Everybody knew the word SIN means a Transgression of Yahwehs Laws. So nobody tossed a rock.

Read Acts 10; All Gentiles are Cleansed. Romans 14 illustrates the perspective of the Law.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rom&c=14&v=1&t=HNV#top

The Story, from Genesis to Revelation, is very Evolutionary and Progressive.

snoopsnuffleopagus
22-11-2008, 05:14 AM
This has the word Christ in it....ok? :rolleyes:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k8H34aeL7Ok

Bonus Link: :)
http://www.cdc.gov/std/default.htm

91181
22-11-2008, 06:24 AM
Lol - thats a very narrow-minded statement to make regarding homosexuals - maybe I can enlighten you heterosexual couples do infact engage in anal sex, it's best you get rid of that stigma that society has potrayed gay men as only being able to practice anal sex :rolleyes: If I may ask - as a heterosexual man - you do get turned on by watching 2 women engaging in sex and find that acceptable but if it's 2 men it's unnatural .. mmmm - I have asked many of my breeder friends if they think its accpetable for 2 women and they said yes but when I asked them what about 2 men - well I think you know how they responded - same response so no surprise ;)

Oh and just to point out something - The male's G-spot is actually found in his anus - the prostate gland :p Anal sex is not dangerous as long as precautions are taken the same as vaginal intercourse as alzee metioned. It's neither unnatural nor anything. Sex in any form is just sex.. or rather a form of physical expression so don't point a finger at a gay guy cause like my Granma told me 3 fingers always point back to you ;)


Yes im quite aware straight couples engage in it thank you very much but this being a thread on homosexuality i didnt see the need to address what straight couples get upto. Im quite aware they do it but imo its still wrong . Ask any doctor and they will tell you it isnt designed to to recieve a penis . You wouldnt drive down a one way street because its dangrous , same princible..

And i dont buy that crap the prosate gland is the mans G-spot either .





Prosate gland


What does your prostate do?
Your prostate has two important functions: one is to help control urination and the other is to help sexual activity.

The prostate has a so-called passive role in the process of urination. It helps to control the rate at which urine flows out of the bladder and into the urethra. It does this by the effect of muscle fibers in the prostate that surround the urethra.

The prostate also has an active role in sexual activity. The prostate gland makes a whitish glandular secretion which collects within the prostate and is fed into the urethra during ejaculation. This glandular secretion helps the motility of the sperm in the urethra and makes up about a third of the seminal fluid, thus giving seminal fluid its whitish appearance.


You see it has a very important role to play in helping the sperm do its job and helping out the bladder , im sure the last thing it needs is an object smashing against it..

pinkfreud
22-11-2008, 06:36 AM
Ask any doctor and they will tell you it isnt designed to to recieve a penis. You wouldnt drive down a one way street because its dangrous , same princible..

i agree. for those who argue and say the mouth isn't 'designed' for it either, take a look and see.. the mouth is much wider :D certainly not as tight, and yes- much, much cleaner =)

does the vagina produce a natural 'lube'? yes. does the mouth produce a natural 'lube'? yes it does too [saliva].

but does the anus produce a natural lube?

no [unless you would put loosies in that category :eek:]

i dont want this to become an argument but even the kamasutra [art of love] has given thousands of ways to make love, even orally, and there is no mention of anal sex in it.

that said, i dont have a problem with anyone else doing it.. just my personal view really.

91181
22-11-2008, 06:45 AM
i agree. for those who argue and say the mouth isn't 'designed' for it either, take a look and see.. the mouth is much wider :D certainly not as tight, and yes- much, much cleaner =)

does the vagina produce a natural 'lube'? yes. does the mouth produce a natural 'lube'? yes it does too [saliva].

but does the anus produce a natural lube?

no [unless you would put loosies in that category :eek:]

i dont want this to become an argument but even the kamasutra [art of love] has given thousands of ways to make love, even orally, and there is no mention of anal sex in it.

that said, i dont have a problem with anyone else doing it.. just my personal view really.




Thats a very intersting point about the Kamasutra...

pinkfreud
22-11-2008, 06:50 AM
i think what we are talking about would boil down to anal sex, not just homosexuality. even hetero/bi couples indulge in it, and it's a pretty tricky subject [for some] to touch upon.

91181
22-11-2008, 07:15 AM
i think what we are talking about would boil down to anal sex, not just homosexuality. even hetero/bi couples indulge in it, and it's a pretty tricky subject [for some] to touch upon.



Yeah i agree ..I just get a feeling its as if we are being pursaded to do whatever we feel like and fuck the consequences.. The satanic moto ''do as thou will '' springs to mind .. Well im of to bed now having been up all night, speak soon ..

pinkfreud
22-11-2008, 07:24 AM
Yeah i agree ..I just get a feeling its as if we are being pursaded to do whatever we feel like and fuck the consequences.. The satanic moto ''do as thou will '' springs to mind .. Well im of to bed now having been up all night, speak soon ..

night night :)

kasalt
22-11-2008, 08:11 AM
Yeah i agree ..I just get a feeling its as if we are being pursaded to do whatever we feel like and fuck the consequences.. The satanic moto ''do as thou will '' springs to mind .. Well im of to bed now having been up all night, speak soon ..

Physically speaking, we are finite mortal beings. Our actions have all sorts of consequences: good as well as bad, intended as well as unintended. Furthermore, we are symbiotic creatures. Our actions affect not only ourselves but also others and ultimately the world around us. It appears to me that the injunction to "do as thou wilt" does not take all of that into consideration. Perhaps that is the real reason why it is considered "satanic".

ayomide
22-11-2008, 08:50 AM
i agree. for those who argue and say the mouth isn't 'designed' for it either, take a look and see.. the mouth is much wider :D certainly not as tight, and yes- much, much cleaner =)

does the vagina produce a natural 'lube'? yes. does the mouth produce a natural 'lube'? yes it does too [saliva].

but does the anus produce a natural lube?

no [unless you would put loosies in that category :eek:]

i dont want this to become an argument but even the kamasutra [art of love] has given thousands of ways to make love, even orally, and there is no mention of anal sex in it.

that said, i dont have a problem with anyone else doing it.. just my personal view really.

Kamasutra lol :-) You failed to mention that anal sex does appear in some Kamasutra books ;)
So basically what you trying to say is that being gay is wrong and only a man and woman can make love and should be allowed space on earth? mmmm well I disagree but I don't want to fight or argue about it because your entitled to your veiw but if you have such a mind-set of homosexuality then I am afraid that you are not as open-minded - You say you don't have a problem with it but you can't accept certain aspects of it so if I am not mistaken you only taking in the half of it. Also like Thirdwave mentioned not all homosexuals practice anal sex and like I mentioned earlier there are many different ways to have sex.

Oh and you mentioned the mouth and vagina which is cleaner and its not so tight and dirty as an ass lol -- that tells me you have practiced it if I am not mistaken? Choose you words carefully if you do not want to get caught ;)


Yeah i agree ..I just get a feeling its as if we are being pursaded to do whatever we feel like and fuck the consequences.. The satanic moto ''do as thou will '' springs to mind .. Well im of to bed now having been up all night, speak soon ..

Satanic?? I was once told by a straight guy that I am possessed by a demon because I am gay but when he got to know me he actually started to accpet the fact that I am gay..but that thought still hurts that people think I am possessed by a demon - so basically what you just brought up is that thought and that feeling that the Devil is behind who I am being gay and I do not just speak for myself but for all homosexuals. I understand and fully accpet that you have your veiws but when you start bringing up the devil then I really wonder if you really open-minded. mmm I have a christian background and if I am not mistaken so has most of the world.. however I have distanced myself from the church why? Because it's full of hypocrisies, lies, control and deception and you cannot really trust anyone nowadays..but I do believe in Jesus and the Creator just like everyone else. I have never had a problem with my sexuality and actually learned to accept it but when people always refer to it as most straight people do then it really does get to me but I have to stand strong and true to myself - I have no sexual desire for a woman the mere thought of it is actually disgusting so I guess thats probably how most heteros feel about homosexuality.

It's really not easy being gay and stereotypes and labels are always thrown out at us but heres the thing we gay people throw them at you too..so instead of always arguing and fighting its better to just respect and just appreciate the diversity in the world and universe. You know you get good and bad people - sexuality has nothing to do with good or bad. Its a constant thing and cannot be changed and trust me I have been there. Anyway what hurts the most is when people place that label on you that because your gay you evil and demon possessed, and going to hell because you have anal sex, thats when I really wonder who and what these people are - majority belong to a religion and always preach about love, giving, peace and harmony and then they turn thier backs after that high and start stirring people up.

As for STD's, HIV and many other diseases - so because I am gay I will have a higher risk at catching something just because I am gay? Well just to fill people in - A disease does not discriminate the way we people do - everyone is affected and by saying a certain group has a higher risk than the next one well thats major bullshit.
I've read so many articles and shit that said AIDS is a gay mans disease, a black womans disease, and now its a black disease - well I love bursting peoples bubbles - I feel sorry for most having such a narrow-mind but it does not discriminate and we are all at risk:) How do we combat this? I have my way and my opinion about it - NO ILLICIT SEX for people of all sexualities and rather wait until you meet your soulmate then you let your hair down and have fun - most people can't do this. I have stopped having sex all together and will find my man which btw I have had visions about and I am a very spiritually intuned young man so I am confident and willing to wait.

So to round up what and to get back to the real topic at hand - Let me end of by saying that if you have a problem as to how homosexuals practice sex but you have no problem with them then it's best you actually refrain from discussing anything sexual - as you are also aware its a difficult subject to really talk about also sex is a highly personal thing so lets try and keep it clean from here on out and not discuss what we get up to behind closed doors because it's no one else business apart from the two who engage in the act.
Everyone is entitled to thier opinion but lets try and draw something positive out of the pool and start manifesting them with the help of our Creator. Sexuality is not a problem in the world it's the supressed mind which is and lets start liberating ourselves from mental slavery which we have been conditioned into. Also sexuality should be the least of peoples worries as its a constant thing and occurs in nature. Lets rather focus on what really matters and problems which really need to be addressed like slavery, hunger, oppression, murder and all other forms of evil which are commited against our brothers and sisters daily commited by the select few people who want to start the NWO. On that note I want the Queen of England to be stripped of her crown and give back Africa's Diamond which she stole from the continent and also all other riches - Being gay and fashionable and well groomed - I want my Diamond it will look so good when my man proposes to me oneday!

91181
22-11-2008, 09:44 AM
Sorry mate i didnt mean to offend anyone , looking back i should of worded it differently . I didnt mean to connect homosexuality with the devil or possesion or anything like that . Im just of the opinion the consequences of having Anal sex causes damage to that area therefor people shouldnt do it. A lot of people do stuff these days and ignore the consequences just because they get a moment of pleasure from it . Hope you see where i was trying to come from ..


My nick name at school wasnt Trigger for nothing :D

lottie
22-11-2008, 11:25 AM
ok so it is strange .... and there is not an explanation as to why they are like that...

Now, first of all it does not mean they are ill..... it could simply be a sexual deformity.... which is one of natures natural hick ups....

But in general anything that happens through the laws of nature as homosexuality does cant be judged by man....

How do you know it is not a change in man kinds evolutionary change? .... or natures way of making sure that man kind do not over populate?

You don't.

the bottom line is... deformity...illness or what ever.... The bible deems it as a sin, there for bad.... wrong..... naughty.... and worthy of punishment.

and this is the issue raised...

So far the only answer has been that its because of STD's .... which is not an answer... it is just a theory as

a, you do not need to have penetration to be gay....
b, STD's can be passed on through anyone.
c, it is not a Fact that STD's are the fault of homosexuality.

I think at the end of the day TW, with all due respect to you, the Bible or any Holy book will never make sense or sit right with you because you lack the fundamental thing required for it to all make sense. :)

If you believe in God (One God, Monotheism, Our Creator) as stated in the scriptures and you trust in him, then you can start to understand it in a far more comprehensible manner. No amount of reading scriptures or trying to understand it from a 'non-believer' perspective will ever allow it to make sense for you. You are judging God, Prophets, biblical characters and scriptures by your own standards.
We have been brought up in a society that has been manipulated and distorted, time has gone by and the idea of God based on the scriptures has been picked apart, attempted to be understood too many times by people who've added their own ideas and theories from their point of view in time and by some, infiltrated and manipulated for distraction/confusion purposes.

The point is, as a child i was taught the Bible/Religion, based in a modern and scientific society where the Law of Gravity and The Theory of Evolution has been established, where talk of fairies, magic, levitation, supernatural feats etc etc have been deemed 'fantasy'. Ok in a way they are to mortal humans, just that.
So when learning about the Bible and religions i found it humorous and unbelievable because you're taught Science/Physics in one lesson and then an hour later you're taught that Jesus could turn wine into water and ascend to the heavens. It doesn't make sense because i never believed it.
(Despite the fact that he and the other Prophets needed these qualities/powers in order to prove he/they was/were a Prophet/s which is what set them apart from the rest of the poeple and no-one would believe Gods message if they couldn't prove they had some abilities that were 'supernatural' . As they too lived in a world where they did not have supernatural abilities, as we don't today.)
Our world is very different to what it was when the Bible was written we have been manipulated and distracted to the point where nothing makes any sense anymore.

If we are to judge God and the scriptures authenticity from this standpoint then it's message will never make any sense.

I am not homophobic, i have no problem with what other people do, i dont believe it is 'natural' but it's up to others how they conduct their lives because it's not 'what everyone else thinks' that matters is it?!

pinkfreud
22-11-2008, 12:08 PM
Kamasutra lol :-) You failed to mention that anal sex does appear in some Kamasutra books ;)
So basically what you trying to say is that being gay is wrong and only a man and woman can make love and should be allowed space on earth? mmmm well I disagree but I don't want to fight or argue about it because your entitled to your veiw but if you have such a mind-set of homosexuality then I am afraid that you are not as open-minded - You say you don't have a problem with it but you can't accept certain aspects of it so if I am not mistaken you only taking in the half of it. Also like Thirdwave mentioned not all homosexuals practice anal sex and like I mentioned earlier there are many different ways to have sex.

Oh and you mentioned the mouth and vagina which is cleaner and its not so tight and dirty as an ass lol -- that tells me you have practiced it if I am not mistaken? Choose you words carefully if you do not want to get caught ;)


'some kamasutra books'?

in case you are not aware, ayomide, the kamasutra is ONE text on the art of love, segregated into approximately 27 volumes or chapters [each being anywhere between 90-300 pages], each depicting a particular aspect of lovemaking. i am not aware of the authors of so called 'kamasutra' books in the west ('sir' richard francis burton did nothing but twist the original sanskrit verses according to his own understanding of the language), but we have the copy of the original sanskrit text, authored by vatsyayana [along with english translations] that has been passed down in my family (i don't know sanskrit, but my mother does). it is yellow, the pages have become wafer thin due to its age, and yes... there is no mention of anal sex there.

i never said being gay was 'wrong'. please do not put words in my mouth... i reiterated that it's my own personal view. i also said it's not just homosexuals who practice it, so please check that before i am termed homophobic or something. all i meant was it may not be what is deemed 'natural', and i just put forth the examples of the mouth and vagina. im sorry if you are offended or have misunderstood my take on it.

it is common sense to state that the mouth is cleaner than the ass. or do you want me to go deeper into it?

it is none of your business, but no i have not 'practiced' anal sex. i dont want someone pumping their thing in and out my ass, im just happy with what i have :D

and no, i dont think ive 'been caught', do you ;)

lhaull
22-11-2008, 12:09 PM
Freedom

kasalt
22-11-2008, 12:52 PM
As for STD's, HIV and many other diseases - so because I am gay I will have a higher risk at catching something just because I am gay?

You are not at higher risk for STDs "just because you are gay", but you are if you engage in "at risk" behaviours:
Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex.
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). HIV Prevention Strategic Plan Through 2005. January 2001. http://www.onlinedatingmagazine.com/STDs/aidshivstats.html

thirdwave
22-11-2008, 01:31 PM
Yeah i agree ..I just get a feeling its as if we are being pursaded to do whatever we feel like and fuck the consequences.. The satanic moto ''do as thou will '' springs to mind .. Well im of to bed now having been up all night, speak soon ..


I get the feeling we are being made to fear things by having the orchestrated consequences waved in our faces....

Do what thou wilt is a quote that was for all.... when we refer to texts in the bible which are meant to be seen as the texts for our saviour... we can only guess what was meant as the texts are all we have ever had, they are kind of hidden in this ancient mystery of power, we never knew anyone who met these people of new they were real, yet one of them was meant to be perfect....

the thing about the quote you have forwarded ... we have asked the question and have it answered here from the horses mouth...

Whatever your sexual predilections may be, you are free, by the Law of Thelema (Crowley's Magick school), to be the star you are, to go your own way rejoicing. It is not indicated here in this text, though it is elsewhere implied, that only one symptom warns that you have mistaken your True Will, and that is, if you should imagine that in pursuing your way you interfere with that of another star. It may, therefore, be considered improper, as a general rule, for your sexual gratification to destroy, deform, or displease any other star. Mutual consent to the act is the condition thereof - A. C.



"Do What Thou Wilt" does not mean "do what you please" though this degree of emancipation is implied...we can no longer say a priori that any course of action is "wrong." Every man and woman has an absolute right to do his or her own true will - A. C.

"Do What Thou Wilt"...is the apotheosis of Freedom; but it is also the strictest possible bond - A. C.

Anyone who is forced from his own course, either through not understanding himself, or through external imposition, comes into conflict with the order of the Universe, and suffers accordingly. A. C.

this is what gets me... I have been called a hypocrite for defending his texts and coming down on the bibles...

But Crowley was a reaction to the bible... someone who clearly could see that the OT and NT was not so innocent and was not so liberating...

So he came out with strong quotes like this...

"With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he
hangs upon the cross.

"I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed and blind him.

"With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and
the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.

"Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.

"Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake
let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!"

(Liber AL).

that is not about being Satanic, But sticking two fingers up, being his own god and very much acting like one!.. speaking the same speak as the bible speaks but in a liberating fashion.. because make no mistake there was much liberation needed at the time....

Ok so I'm not directing all this at you 91181...
But If one chooses to ignore this and still see it as a Satanic quote, they are free to do so and will not go to hell.... will not be damed and will not be burnt by angels in the last days, they will simply walk another path.

But at least we have some clarification as to why some may offer more time to these kind of texts... simply because there is more to study and look at with them.... and of course because you are not told that the texts are there to save you... but are simply there for those who are interested in what they see along their path.... Despite what the bible would lead you to think of it.

Now, if we have some texts where Jesus says...

"Its not that being Gay is wrong... don't get me wrong... its that some of the actions gay people do may be of danger to them and others..."

then I would be convinced... we never have anything like this... though they are still very much our rule?

I hope that straitens out why I may seem hypocritical to some.. I think the hypocrisy is the other way... the bible is NO better than anything Crowley has come out with and at least his excuse is like... "well you started it!"

snoopsnuffleopagus
22-11-2008, 05:10 PM
Hi T-Wave:

There are the Ways of YHWH and the Matters of Men; they are not in accord at this Time.

Evolutionary and Progressive, opening of Minds. At no time outside the 12 Tribes were peeps co-erced to the Laws and Covenant, YHWH knows His Laws; Ways, are of natural enmity towards human/carnal desires. It is His desire peeps come to understand Him voluntarily, no coercion.

This is why there are Two Resurrections.

The First for the peeps who were really with His Programme, the Second Resurrection for everybody else: This is when everybody gets 'Clued Up'.

We are all humans, we are all going to engage in activities and interactions of some sort, sexual and non-sexual; that do have negative consequences and ramifications, passing on to successive generations.

Spectrographic Analysis of Contemporary Hominids Blood in Western TechnoCratic Societies reveal more than 150 contaminants in our Blood. Outgassing from furnishings, Environmental Pollutants, Foodstuff & Groundwater Contaminations.

The Bottom Line about peeps dislike of YHWH is: He tells you that the things you like to do are f**ked up and has negative consequences for you and others. And as most are aware, the Sexual Morality Laws are only one small part of the 613 Laws, Judgements and Statutes.

I know we all think we have it figured out in a manner which we are comfortable with, but I realise, at this time, I am but a Partialy Completed Being, I am not using %100 of my Brain/Mind Potential. I do not possess the Definitive Answers to all questions, but I know; The Best is yet to come.

Romans 14 informs each and everyone of us we are not to judge or condemn because YHWH Himself will Stand Up who He will.The Laws are intended for Humans to live together in Peace and Harmony.

They preserve the Health(mental, physical, emotional, spiritual), Safety; Welfare of the Individual, thus the Group.

It is non-selfish

Other than abuse of children, what other adults do is outside my personal jurisdiction. I walk my Path, you walk your Path.

We all 'Pay' in our own lives, and sometimes other lives, the 'Bill' for our 'mistakes'. This is Life.

Be well informed

Self-Discipline and Self-Restraint reap many benefits.

'Peace of Mind' is a precious commodity these days.

Go Easy :)

snoopsnuffleopagus
22-11-2008, 05:25 PM
This Thread brings up some interesting views

The Bible; The Patriarchs, the Prophets, Yahshua Messiah, and all the Apostles, will NEVER tell you that HomoSexuality or Promisuous Sexual Activity is OK, as they are Transgressions of YHWHs Laws. They all say the same: Repent and change your ways.

Whether one heeds them or not is that individuals free will.

And I would wager Heavy Bread most people aren't really aware as to what they are 'Dealing With'.

These Laws, which are the Core of the Bible, were received in a Desert Setting 4,000 years ago. An InterDimensional SuperNatural Being-Yahweh- appeared to 3,000,000 peeps at once. A Real Big Meet & Greet.

Never before in human history was there a National Revelation, and never since has there been a National Revelation.

An Architect would describe this type of 'Foundation' as a 'Rock Socket Caisson'. Very, very Robust.

http://www.aish.com/shavuotsinai/shavuotsinaidefault/Did_God_Speak_at_Sinai$_.asp

I've Posted Romans 14; it sorta says it all Biblicaly. At the end, all knees will Bow to YHWH, All tongues will confess to YHWH, Yahshua Messiah shall sit in Judgement.

It tells me:' Who the hell do I think I am, looking down on another?' YHWH will Stand them up.

What I like is all the human BS will be over, the new humans will live together in Peace and Harmony. Nobody will be 'missing' or 'yearning' for former behaviours.

No more shall man learn war

rhydra
22-11-2008, 06:04 PM
During the time of the holy books being written, population wasn't the issue it is today, the more fertile the womenfolk, the more success the particular religion, in particular the Abrahamic religions, had in getting one over on the competition. Any form of sexual pleasure that didn't end in the creation of an addition to the religious group was frowned upon. Anything which wasted "seed" be it self pleasure, homosexuality or other acts, were frowned upon to the extend of at least being cast out to some of the most horrific penalties.
Homosexuality was probably one of the least favoured practices as it often involves a relationship which doesn't result in offspring.
The penalties for such behavior would have been deliberately chosen to be as brutal as possible for the greatest deterrence.

ayomide
23-11-2008, 01:27 PM
Sorry mate i didnt mean to offend anyone , looking back i should of worded it differently . I didnt mean to connect homosexuality with the devil or possesion or anything like that . Im just of the opinion the consequences of having Anal sex causes damage to that area therefor people shouldnt do it. A lot of people do stuff these days and ignore the consequences just because they get a moment of pleasure from it . Hope you see where i was trying to come from ..


My nick name at school wasnt Trigger for nothing :D

:DSorry to bro. Glad we can come to an understanding.




it is common sense to state that the mouth is cleaner than the ass. or do you want me to go deeper into it?

it is none of your business, but no i have not 'practiced' anal sex. i dont want someone pumping their thing in and out my ass, im just happy with what i have :D

Well lets get something clear aswell - it's none of your business aswell if homosexuals or heteros practice anal sex. However I do apologize for getting rather out of sync in regards to your opinion:) Lets rather come to an understanding what do you think?


Anything which wasted "seed" be it self pleasure, homosexuality or other acts, were frowned upon to the extend of at least being cast out to some of the most horrific penalties.
Homosexuality was probably one of the least favoured practices as it often involves a relationship which doesn't result in offspring.
The penalties for such behavior would have been deliberately chosen to be as brutal as possible for the greatest deterrence.

I read about this and makes sense.. though some people would argue about this..

Uhm I stumbled on a site check it out -
http://www.sacred-texts.com/lgbt/index.htm

pinkfreud
23-11-2008, 03:57 PM
Well lets get something clear aswell - it's none of your business aswell if homosexuals or heteros practice anal sex

no. it isnt. but i do have a right to voice my opinion on a forum. and that is all i have done, without pushing it down people's throats.

that should be a good enough understanding, should it not? :)

thetonic
23-11-2008, 05:35 PM
i tend to think so too. and one must note that it's not only homosexual couples who engage in it. is it just me, or has anal sex become more popularised and acceptable in these recent years only :confused:

Yes . You are right about this... Anal sex is heavily promoted by the illuminati. This is for a specific reason.. Anal sex is a form ritual majik, you are invoking a demonic entity

thirdwave
23-11-2008, 09:45 PM
Anal sex is a form ritual majik, you are invoking a demonic entity


where on earth did you come up with that?


now, if the G spot is in the anus then it may well be a great tool to use in magick... because anything that can heighten emotional awareness is good for magick.... this is why it is advised to masturbate while looking at one of your sigils ... or have sex... because it raises your awareness and conciousness...

now, this does not mean that when ever you conciousness is raised that you are evoking an evil entity... although if you wanted to evoke an evil entity then of course it would be effective...

just as it could be effective if you wanted to create something possative...

IMO you sound like someone who has been brainwashed to think anything that is known to be an effective tool within the occult, is automaticily evil.... I wonder where you learnt that from? :rolleyes:

its like you think that the arse is some kind of gate to Hell...... maybe after a curry it is but in general its just another part of US ...our bodies.

if a woman or guy guy like having one up there, and it makes them feel good, then it wont evoke an evil spirit...simple as that... if someone is raped, then im sure it would.

ayomide
23-11-2008, 11:00 PM
no. it isnt. but i do have a right to voice my opinion on a forum. and that is all i have done, without pushing it down people's throats.

that should be a good enough understanding, should it not? :)

Excuse me .. I am defending myself and other gay guys against the intrusive and insensitive things you write .. so if you are able to voice your opinion in a dignified, diplomatic way without infringing on a anothers integrity and causing hurt then I am sure we would come to an understanding but that seems rather futile and pointless.

Yes . You are right about this... Anal sex is heavily promoted by the illuminati. This is for a specific reason.. Anal sex is a form ritual majik, you are invoking a demonic entity

Sex in general whether it is anal, oral or vaginal are all being popularised like I once mentioned sex is sex!! Invoking a what? I would be very careful with the choice of word you use. Oh and the Illuminati - what do they have to do with me having sex with another man am I one of them because of what I do?

Let me ask this multiple question.

If you have a child or your child, he/she displays an interest in the same sex, you as the homophobic parent condition your child to hate homosexuals and preach constantly about how sinful it is and how he/she will get diseases, how these relationships never last, how disgusting, filthy it is, that the Devil is behind this and how demonic this is - what are you doing to that child? Are you or are you not a dictator? Why are you stripping away that child dignity, love, innocence and joy? Do you pride yourself on being a good parent protecting your child yet you mentally/spiritually raping him/her? How do you feel about it?

Think of humans as a radio tower - we constantly pick up on frequencies from around us..from each other, your thoughts, body language etc are all picked up sub-conciously even these very words I am writing you pick up on - anyway your thoughts which span into many different elements and particles can infact infringe on someone elses, the person recieves your energy and the sub-concious analyzes it and starts implementing it into you and thus it starts affecting the persons essence either positive or negative -Say you think negative of someone - that person recieves it and you start feeding off that persons postive energy, you passed on your negative energy onto the person - so it's wise to rather think positive of the next person which translates into love thy neighbour its that simple - thats how you gain postive energy from someone else..don't infringe on anothers way of life rather be positive about yours and share it - use your candle light to light others. You will gain alot from this and thus we sending out postive energy to the earth and somewhere else in the world we awaken someone else to this energy and it spreads thats when we can create a peaceful world were we can live harmoniously. My sexuality and me having sex with another man is my experience alone - no one else can experience it with me and I will no longer allow anyone else to tell me it's wrong or anything. I will instead send out postive energy to those who are negative but I will deflect your negativity - meaning I shall analyze your negative energy and make something positive out of it however I cannot let it affect me in a negative way which will destroy me so I'll balance it out - Yin and Yang:).

thetonic
23-11-2008, 11:05 PM
[QUOTE]where on earth did you come up with that?

I did not 'come up with it'

now, if the G spot is in the anus then it may well be a great tool to use in magick... because anything that can heighten emotional awareness is good for magick.... this is why it is advised to masturbate while looking at one of your sigils ... or have sex... because it raises your awareness and conciousness...

Who the heck would advise someone to do that? If you think jerking off or taking it up the butty is going to raise your awareness you kidding yourself


now, this does not mean that when ever you conciousness is raised that you are evoking an evil entity... although if you wanted to evoke an evil entity then of course it would be effective...

just as it could be effective if you wanted to create something possative...

IMO you sound like someone who has been brainwashed to think anything that is known to be an effective tool within the occult, is automaticily evil.... I wonder where you learnt that from? :rolleyes:


sorry but occult practices go against my spirit

its like you think that the arse is some kind of gate to Hell...... maybe after a curry it is but in general its just another part of US ...our bodies.

if a woman or guy guy like having one up there, and it makes them feel good, then it wont evoke an evil spirit...simple as that... if someone is raped, then im sure it would

sure, just keep telling yourself that

thetonic
23-11-2008, 11:14 PM
[QUOTE]


Sex in general whether it is anal, oral or vaginal are all being popularised like I once mentioned sex is sex!! Invoking a what? I would be very careful with the choice of word you use. Oh and the Illuminati - what do they have to do with me having sex with another man am I one of them because of what I do?

No its obvious you are not an illuminati, just one of there puppets like most of the population

Let me ask this multiple question.

If you have a child or your child, he/she displays an interest in the same sex, you as the homophobic parent condition your child to hate homosexuals and preach constantly about how sinful it is and how he/she will get diseases, how these relationships never last, how disgusting, filthy it is, that the Devil is behind this and how demonic this is - what are you doing to that child? Are you or are you not a dictator? Why are you stripping away that child dignity, love, innocence and joy? Do you pride yourself on being a good parent protecting your child yet you mentally/spiritually raping him/her? How do you feel about it?

Thats all fine and dandy speculating about raising a child properly, but what does it have to do with anal sex invoking entities?

ayomide
23-11-2008, 11:24 PM
[QUOTE=ayomide;630202]

No its obvious you are not an illuminati, just one of there puppets like most of the population

Thats all fine and dandy speculating about raising a child properly, but what does it have to do with anal sex invoking entities?

Lol thats really rich coming from you - Me a puppet then what exactly are you?? I am afraid you do not know me at all to make such an assumption and you are to damn negative. So please stick to your veiws and your negativity but please refrain from imposing and making extremely dangerous assupmtions.
How do you envoke an evil entity? Simple answer a thought which leads to an action. So if you practice any form of sex with love from both sides you can only envoke love.

As for raising a child with a very homophobic attitude, I feel deeply for that child and I do pray that he will be protected against such negative influences.

thirdwave
23-11-2008, 11:28 PM
I did not 'come up with it'

ok then, where on earth did you hear that.


Who the heck would advise someone to do that? If you think jerking off or taking it up the butty is going to raise your awareness you kidding yourself


Who advized?, people who educate about the use and practice of sigils effectively... orgasm is not the only method just one you can use... I would not dream of getting into a debate with you about if it works or not, but I would at least expect to get a bit of understanding from you as to how some believe they work and how it is not all about evoking evil enterites as you so ignorantly put it....

if you think orgasms do not raise an extended state of mind then you really have not got any idea what you are talking about.


sorry but occult practices go against my spirit
Well then don't do them then.


sure, just keep telling yourself that

No need for me to tell my self... its simple common sense...

I think if you had anal sex then you would quite clearly evoke a negative spirit ... but speak for your self buddy.

I have never had it and don't desire it, so Im not coming from a selfish perspective...

Feel free to enlighten us all on how this anal door way to hell actually works! ... *getting the pop corn*

kingmonkey
23-11-2008, 11:32 PM
perspective...

Feel free to enlighten us all on how this anal door way to hell actually works! ... *getting the pop corn*

O.K, I didn't read the rest of the thread but that grabbed me! :D

This site has gotta be the best place on the net :D

It's not guarded by a troll called "pillow pants" is it?!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wX01Lna0OI8

ayomide
23-11-2008, 11:39 PM
o.k, i didn't read the rest of the thread but that grabbed me! :d

this site has gotta be the best place on the net :d

it's not guarded by a troll called "pillow pants" is it?!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wx01lna0oi8

omg love the vid- :d so hilarious!!

kingmonkey
23-11-2008, 11:47 PM
omg love the vid- :d so hilarious!!

From Clerks 2.

oiram
23-11-2008, 11:47 PM
This Thread brings up some interesting views
The Bible; The Patriarchs, the Prophets, Yahshua Messiah, and all the Apostles, will NEVER tell you that HomoSexuality or Promisuous Sexual Activity is OK, as they are Transgressions of YHWHs Laws. They all say the same: Repent and change your ways.Good Job "snoopsnuffleopagus" you made my day!

No More comments needed all your Posts on this thread summed it all up in a Nutshell!

This is actually one major Item which gets me irritated with all these Religious followers absolutely totally hypocritical with everything they learn & in reality do!

I will subscribe to this Thread and give every handicapped & religious person who supports this activity a link to this thread!
Then they can make up there own mind how religious they really are opposing everything there own master told them!http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif
Repent and change your ways.
Before the special day arrives!
Love it!

Homosexuality ... Fornication, in the Bible

Revelation #313
This Thread brings up some interesting views

The Bible; The Patriarchs, the Prophets, Yahshua Messiah, and all the Apostles, will NEVER tell you that HomoSexuality or Promisuous Sexual Activity is OK, as they are Transgressions of YHWHs Laws. They all say the same: Repent and change your ways.

Whether one heeds them or not is that individuals free will.

And I would wager Heavy Bread most people aren't really aware as to what they are 'Dealing With'.

These Laws, which are the Core of the Bible, were received in a Desert Setting 4,000 years ago. An InterDimensional SuperNatural Being-Yahweh- appeared to 3,000,000 peeps at once. A Real Big Meet & Greet.

Never before in human history was there a National Revelation, and never since has there been a National Revelation.

An Architect would describe this type of 'Foundation' as a 'Rock Socket Caisson'. Very, very Robust.

http://www.aish.com/shavuotsinai/shavuotsinaidefault/Did_God_Speak_at_Sinai$_.asp

I've Posted Romans 14; it sorta says it all Biblicaly. At the end, all knees will Bow to YHWH, All tongues will confess to YHWH, Yahshua Messiah shall sit in Judgement.

It tells me:' Who the hell do I think I am, looking down on another?' YHWH will Stand them up.

What I like is all the human BS will be over, the new humans will live together in Peace and Harmony. Nobody will be 'missing' or 'yearning' for former behaviours.

No more shall man learn war
Cordial Felicitations; Thirdwave:

I am not a Christian, yet as one who has studied the matter, I may be able to cast some light in a positive manner, as concerns this most provocative Topic: Promicuous Hetero and Unigender Sexual Activity.

As far as the Bible is concerned; the Laws of YHWH are for preserving the Health, Safety and Welfare of the Individual; thus the Tribe-us.

Even on this Board stories are related asto the Emotional Distress that is no stranger to Licentious Behaviour.

It is Cause and Effect. It is certainly a Scientific and Historical Fact that Licentious Behaviour manifests as a multitude of Negatives for Individuals and Groups.

STDs; Broken Families; Emotional, Mental, Spiritual Depression, often manifesting as crimes/violence against oneself or others.

STDs are especially heinous. Not only do they diminish the Potential of the Individual afflicted, but often this disease is 'passed on' to successive generations. This results in a child being born blind two generations removed.

Many of the Laws of YHWH are for the preservation of your blood. Once your blood is polluted, your potential health and wellbeing are compromised. Preservation of the blood is very important for you and those you sire and those around you.

It is amazing but 4,000 Years ago YHWH spoke to several million people in the Desert about Biology.

The Tao of Yahweh is for the Man to be the Head of his Family, and he may have as many wives as he can properly provide for.

King Shlomo/Solomon overdid it: 700 wives; 1,500 Concubines. lol

Families remain united. Disease free, emotionaly, mentaly, spiritualy peaceful.

I like the Amish alot :) , do you Brits have Amish over there?
Again Biology; nothing Personal, also many Negative Socio/Economic/Political/Emotional/Mental/Spiritual Ramifications. Everybody 'pays the price' for this behaviour someway, everyday. This is nothing 'New', just more prevelant and open.

Go to the CDC website; type in STDs and get informed.

What about the Amish in Brittania, got any?

And you know since Yahshua we are in a Phase of Yahwehs plan where we don't take you to the Gates of the City and Lapidate you?

Yahwehs Position is: you will bear the cost of your errant behaviour in your own body. And should you procreate after polluting your blood, you will pass this on to your descendants.

Do you still take the Position promiscuous sexual activity, Hetero and Unigenderal, is 'Harmless'?

I think not. :( tear

Deuteronomy 30:19—
I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Because you are free agents to make your own choice between righteousness and evil—therefore choose life, so both you and your children may live.


See that Thirwave? Free Will

Peeps just don't like Yahwehs Concept of Righteousness.
Perspective
Keeping your selected verse in its overall Context, as regarding Yahwehs plan for the salvation of Humankind.

The Old Testament was concerned with; first, a a handful of Individuals, then a Group/People. these Laws, Covenant, were pertinent to less than 4 million people of Earths Population. The 12 Tribes and a few Individuals.

With the Advent of Yahshua Messiah, He and His Apostles brought Yahwehs plan to the Gentiles. Same plan, different phase.

The Laws were not done away with. Yahshua Messiah and His Apostles Upheld and Taught the Laws, yet the Penalties did not apply to the Gentiles. Perhaps even the Hebrews. The Attempted Stoning of the Adulteress illustrates this: Yahshua said: whoever was without sin could cast the first stone. According to YHWHs 613 Laws; Judgements and Statutes; it is very unlikely a perfectly sinless human would be present. Everybody knew the word SIN means a Transgression of Yahwehs Laws. So nobody tossed a rock.

Read Acts 10; All Gentiles are Cleansed. Romans 14 illustrates the perspective of the Law.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rom&c=14&v=1&t=HNV#top

The Story, from Genesis to Revelation, is very Evolutionary and Progressive.

Perspective Redux
This has the word Christ in it....ok? :rolleyes:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k8H34aeL7Ok
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k8H34aeL7Ok

Bonus Link: :)
http://www.cdc.gov/std/default.htm

There are the Ways of YHWH and the Matters of Men; they are not in accord at this Time.

Evolutionary and Progressive, opening of Minds. At no time outside the 12 Tribes were peeps co-erced to the Laws and Covenant, YHWH knows His Laws; Ways, are of natural enmity towards human/carnal desires. It is His desire peeps come to understand Him voluntarily, no coercion.

This is why there are Two Resurrections.

The First for the peeps who were really with His Programme, the Second Resurrection for everybody else: This is when everybody gets 'Clued Up'.

We are all humans, we are all going to engage in activities and interactions of some sort, sexual and non-sexual; that do have negative consequences and ramifications, passing on to successive generations.

Spectrographic Analysis of Contemporary Hominids Blood in Western TechnoCratic Societies reveal more than 150 contaminants in our Blood. Outgassing from furnishings, Environmental Pollutants, Foodstuff & Groundwater Contaminations.

The Bottom Line about peeps dislike of YHWH is: He tells you that the things you like to do are f**ked up and has negative consequences for you and others. And as most are aware, the Sexual Morality Laws are only one small part of the 613 Laws, Judgements and Statutes.

I know we all think we have it figured out in a manner which we are comfortable with, but I realise, at this time, I am but a Partialy Completed Being, I am not using %100 of my Brain/Mind Potential. I do not possess the Definitive Answers to all questions, but I know; The Best is yet to come.

Romans 14 informs each and everyone of us we are not to judge or condemn because YHWH Himself will Stand Up who He will.The Laws are intended for Humans to live together in Peace and Harmony.

They preserve the Health(mental, physical, emotional, spiritual), Safety; Welfare of the Individual, thus the Group.

It is non-selfish

Other than abuse of children, what other adults do is outside my personal jurisdiction. I walk my Path, you walk your Path.

We all 'Pay' in our own lives, and sometimes other lives, the 'Bill' for our 'mistakes'. This is Life.

Be well informed

Self-Discipline and Self-Restraint reap many benefits.

'Peace of Mind' is a precious commodity these days.

Go Easy :)
"Unless they oppose it, they will be blamed for it. If they defend it, they are part of it."
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ayomide
24-11-2008, 12:14 AM
oiram - no need to use the word faggot :) show some respect please.

oiram
24-11-2008, 12:35 AM
show some respect please.Agree! you right I usually call it being sick just could not control my emotions because there are some of them here which are bothering people fiscally on the road & I don't agree with it at all!

ayomide
24-11-2008, 12:40 AM
Agree! you right I usually call it being sick just could not control my emotions because there are some of them here which are bothering people fiscally on the road & I don't agree with it at all!

Weet jy wat? Ek het vokol verstaan wat jy da geskryf het en verstaan jou glad nie! so I'll just let it slip what you just wrote! :rolleyes:

thirdwave
24-11-2008, 12:44 AM
O.K, I didn't read the rest of the thread but that grabbed me! :D

This site has gotta be the best place on the net :D

It's not guarded by a troll called "pillow pants" is it?!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wX01Lna0OI8

lol, that's a quality scene!... and yes, very appropriate.

oiram
24-11-2008, 01:10 AM
"So, if humans are gay then according to you, theyre sick mentally/physically"--yes
"There are many species of animal who have gay or bisexual tendencies, are they sick too?" - animals are not humans; is like saying winter differs from summer.Man this was a classic; when Humans try to put them self's on the same level as animals to have an excuse for there behavior!

But in there case we may could make a special exception!:p:D

Should they agree with this one was it not God who gave as special powers over the Animals?
So you Gays better be careful what you are wishing for to excuse your sickness & yes I seen your promotional Natural Geographic Movie & I still disagree!

Evidence for Evolution in the Book of Genesis, or How the Snake Lost its Legs

In the Book of Genesis, the sixth day of the world was the day on which God is said to have created not only all land animals, but man as well. And mankind is not simply another animal in that book: (Maybe he was wrong with the Gays???) Was not me who compared Humans with Animals; but I know there is one Text which does this!
001:026
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Man is created last, and man is given power over all plants and animals.
001:028
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

There next excuse is they will say there Bible is wrong ;) ...>>>>> Now we are getting somewhere! :D

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alzee
24-11-2008, 01:22 AM
by christ, there are some biggoted fucking morons on here.

homosexuality is not a life choice, its not a disease or a sickness, its a way of being, just like heterosexuality.

thirdwave
24-11-2008, 02:07 AM
You would have thought the fact that Hitler used to kill gay people would have raised a few hints as to what past agendas were a foot.... but people only seem to think what they see around them today is the only thing to go on regarding the elite.

history can be helpful.

Of course there is no way people today would tolerate such nonsense.... thankfully.... one of the possative things about these modern times.

kasalt
24-11-2008, 03:12 AM
You would have thought the fact that Hitler used to kill gay people would have raised a few hints as to what past agendas were a foot.... but people only seem to think what they see around them today is the only thing to go on regarding the elite.

history can be helpful.

Indeed, history can be helpful. Unfortunately though, history as we believe it happened and history as it actually happened are often two different things. Check out these links to see what I mean:

The strange, unexplored overlap between homosexuality and fascism (http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=407)

The Pink Swastika (http://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm)

Was Hitler's homosexuality Nazism's best kept secret? (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_7_18/ai_83553874)


Anyone familiar with the history of the Nazi party knows that male homosexuals were prominent among both the perpetrators and the victims of Nazism. As head of the SA until his murder by other of Hitler's goons on the Night of the Long Knives, Ernst Roehm was one of the essential instruments of Hitler's rise to power. He was also a flagrant homosexual whose sexual depravity knew no bounds. His service to Hitler was so important that when he came under intraparty attack for his homosexuality, Hitler defended Roehm (and his homosexual cadres) in words that make Hitler sound like a good DFL liberal in the mold of Allan Spear or Phyllis Kahn.

As early as February 1931, Hitler issued a remarkable decree concerning "the attacks on the private lives" of "very senior and senior SA officers." These, as Hitler saw them, were based mainly on circumstances "wholly extraneous to the context of [their] duties to the SA." He "vigorously and on principle" rejected all requests to "rule" on these. Hitler protested that the SA men's "private life cannot be an object of scrutiny unless it runs counter to vital principles of National Socialist ideology."

Source: Hitler's Homosexual Cadres, http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2003/03/002535.php

pinkfreud
24-11-2008, 06:11 AM
Excuse me .. I am defending myself and other gay guys against the intrusive and insensitive things you write .. so if you are able to voice your opinion in a dignified, diplomatic way without infringing on a anothers integrity and causing hurt then I am sure we would come to an understanding but that seems rather futile and pointless.


what i have written is not insensitive in itself. it is just a statement of facts. i don't think such a topic could be addressed diplomatically without hurting someone or the other, and in this case, if that someone is you, i am truly sorry. like i said, i have no issues with gay individuals, im all right with them living their lives the way they want to. i look at this topic from a neutral standpoint, i do not view homosexuals or lesbians as abnormal people. rather, i was talking about anal sex in itself, and not gay people.

i hope we can proceed on this subject without misunderstanding one another. please accept my apology if i seemed too blunt.

take care, peace be with you.

astrochicken
24-11-2008, 09:24 AM
I couldn't care less who sticks what where.

I do have a problem however, as a father, when being gay is promoted and taught to 5 and 6 year old children in primary school and there enough threads on these forums to verifiable sources that establish as FACT that there is a "gay agenda" and that it is being promoted to primary school children. Don't want to stand on anyone's toes but sex education in general to 5 and 6 year olds is imho on a par with the dutch pedo party trying to lower the age of consent.

That's where my tolerance level stops and i draw a line in cement.

pinkfreud
24-11-2008, 09:52 AM
Don't want to stand on anyone's toes but sex education in general to 5 and 6 year olds is imho on a par with the dutch pedo party trying to lower the age of consent.

That's where my tolerance level stops and i draw a line in cement.

absolutely.

thirdwave
24-11-2008, 11:03 AM
Indeed, history can be helpful. Unfortunately though, history as we believe it happened and history as it actually happened are often two different things. Check out these links to see what I mean:

The strange, unexplored overlap between homosexuality and fascism (http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=407)

The Pink Swastika (http://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm)

Was Hitler's homosexuality Nazism's best kept secret? (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_7_18/ai_83553874)


Source: Hitler's Homosexual Cadres, http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2003/03/002535.php

lol, and you think that makes any difference?

since when has removing our freedom meant that the same rules apply to the elite?

Of course some of them were gay, its perfectly natural for some people to be gay, they were not attempting to destroy their own freedom! ... they were not interested is sexually oppressing them selves!

:rolleyes:

have a look at how the bible sneaks in pro gay messages with Jesus and his 12 merry men.... then look at how the bible curses at it... this speaks volumes....

drael
24-11-2008, 11:32 AM
Nice one thirdwave, this thread is mildly amusing :) Nice little can of worms.

Anyways, ive had anal sex. Oral sex. Ive been whipped, tied up, ive pretended to be different people. I have, however only done this in very monogomous relationships, and also have had std tests. It was all good fun. In my mind, this "adventure" is far safer than what is really dangerous in that regard - promiscuity.

To me, there is nothing vaguely "natural" about any human sex. High heels and suspenders? oral sex? sexual positions? animals dont have sexual positions, they dont play roles etc. The closest prolly to us would be dolphins and they pack rape each other and are have sex almost randomly, or monkeys that masturbate all day...

Thats the consequence of having an imagination and an intellect - sex becomes mainly psycho-social, rather than fuctional. Its that big lump of brain found in your forehead, that lets us be creative. I dont think in this regard hetrosexuality is really any different from homosexuality. just compare human sex to animal sex. They aint even on the same page.

All this nonsense about "this hole is for this". Did u leave ur imagination at home, we aint cattle!

As for the bible, in many places it suggests sacrifice and killing. I dont think any of this stuff was meant to be literal originally personally. But christians would have u beleive that its all literal, which turns gold into swill IMO.

The coolest thing i ever read from crowley, was very similar to jesus's "and if u have not sinned". Crowley basically said, what is the point in this word "sin". It is to be used as an excuse for further "sin". The solution to all "sin" is always _love_, naming, judging or harming is not above being called sin in itself actually!

Because love is always the cure, and always the way, we should be in fact "ignorant" of the word sin - innocent. Thats espoused in the garden of eden story, and in the "meek inheriting the heart", "love thy neighbour", the child as perfection etc - many many places in the bible. (Far more than homosexuality is mentioned)

So really, if u think about it, a christian who judges others isnt really a christian!! Thats the truth, most churchs and so called christians really spurn jesus's example of love, grace and forgiveness...

thirdwave
24-11-2008, 11:50 AM
As for the bible, in many places it suggests sacrifice and killing. I dont think any of this stuff was meant to be literal originally personally. But christians would have u beleive that its all literal, which turns gold into swill IMO.


this is a point I try to make...

It seems all the texts that they like are meant to be taken literal... but when there are some negative texts, then its not to be taken littoral... and I agree, I think its an occult book full of hidden messages and is simply not the human Manuel for God and his wishes.

thirdwave
24-11-2008, 12:53 PM
So really, if u think about it, a christian who judges others isnt really a christian!! Thats the truth, most churchs and so called christians really spurn jesus's example of love, grace and forgiveness...


Exactly... but of course there is a solution, Submit to the Lord... and be saved.

And of course at this point your mind is an open book laid upon its alter... and you are able to be placed into a program that can be predicted and controlled.

tagged.

kasalt
24-11-2008, 01:02 PM
lol, and you think that makes any difference?

since when has removing our freedom meant that the same rules apply to the elite?

Of course some of them were gay, its perfectly natural for some people to be gay, they were not attempting to destroy their own freedom! ... they were not interested is sexually oppressing them selves!

:rolleyes:

have a look at how the bible sneaks in pro gay messages with Jesus and his 12 merry men.... then look at how the bible curses at it... this speaks volumes....

The same contradiction that you see in the Bible can also be seen in the Nazis, which is why I posted those links. Actually, I think quite a few of the Nazis were interested in sexually oppressing themselves--Hitler being an obvious case in point. It has been suggested that this would serve as a partial explanation for the mentality behind their extreme beliefs and actions.

thirdwave
24-11-2008, 03:03 PM
The same contradiction that you see in the Bible can also be seen in the Nazis, which is why I posted those links.


Well the people who created the Nazi's most probebly created the bible we read today.... but the Nazi's pretty much put there words into action.... they wanted 1 breed of human ...with one behaviour....1 look, and 1 belief.... although I don't recall Hitler having blond hair and blue eyes... i don't think it was about his gang it was about the masses.


Actually, I think quite a few of the Nazis were interested in sexually oppressing themselves--Hitler being an obvious case in point. It has been suggested that this would serve as a partial explanation for the mentality behind their extreme beliefs and actions.

I don't know how oppressed Hitler was.... I have a pretty good idea that the people he worked for were not.

ayomide
24-11-2008, 05:23 PM
i hope we can proceed on this subject without misunderstanding one another. please accept my apology if i seemed too blunt.


I also apologize for our misunderstanding :) I am confident we can find common ground on this subject. I accept your apology :)


Indeed, history can be helpful. Unfortunately though, history as we believe it happened and history as it actually happened are often two different things. Check out these links to see what I mean:

The strange, unexplored overlap between homosexuality and fascism (http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=407)

The Pink Swastika (http://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm)

Was Hitler's homosexuality Nazism's best kept secret? (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_7_18/ai_83553874)

Source: Hitler's Homosexual Cadres, http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2003/03/002535.php

Please read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_gay_men_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocau st

If Hitler was Queen who the f**k cares? He was evil PERIOD! His secret gayness has nothing to do with the vile man he was!



I dont think in this regard hetrosexuality is really any different from homosexuality.

All this nonsense about "this hole is for this". Did u leave ur imagination at home, we aint cattle!

As for the bible, in many places it suggests sacrifice and killing. I dont think any of this stuff was meant to be literal originally personally. But christians would have u beleive that its all literal, which turns gold into swill IMO.

So really, if u think about it, a christian who judges others isnt really a christian!! Thats the truth, most churchs and so called christians really spurn jesus's example of love, grace and forgiveness...

Agree :D

astrochicken
24-11-2008, 06:30 PM
He was evil PERIOD! His secret gayness has nothing to do with the vile man he was!
Agree :D


I don't.

That's just one version of HIS STORY and i don't buy in to it.

History is written by the victors and just by looking at the events of the last 7 years, in specific the iraq war,WMD's the twin towers and the london bombings and the lies we've been subjected to by the genocidal fuckwhits living in buckingham palace, washington and tel aviv, there is no way on earth i'm going to judge solely based on what someone has told me and what's written in hiSTORY books.

As my old man taught us as kids while growing up: believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

Oh and another thing, people get locked up for saying that.

thetonic
24-11-2008, 06:54 PM
I don't.

As my old man taught us as kids while growing up: believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

Oh and another thing, people get locked up for saying that.

As Icke says.. "The rabbit hole goes seriously deep" especially on this shit... And when people are getting locked up just for questioning mainstream history you know somebody has something to hide

newdecades
24-11-2008, 09:00 PM
this is a point I try to make...

It seems all the texts that they like are meant to be taken literal... but when there are some negative texts, then its not to be taken littoral... and I agree, I think its an occult book full of hidden messages and is simply not the human Manuel for God and his wishes.

another one they use is 'that text is of it's time. it's not refering to modern man'. they decide, for example, it's now ok for woman to remarry after getting divorced(which jesus said it wasn't ok) but homosexuality is still a sin. they just pick and choose what they want to believe.

thirdwave
24-11-2008, 09:47 PM
another one they use is 'that text is of it's time. it's not refering to modern man'. they decide, for example, it's now ok for woman to remarry after getting divorced(which jesus said it wasn't ok) but homosexuality is still a sin. they just pick and choose what they want to believe.

true,

and i think what allot of people see is that in these modern days because things like being gay... or knocking religion.. are so much more exceptable today and easily tolerated, all of a sudden its like THAT is the agenda.... but for some baffling reason they choose to forget how long womens rights...gay people.. or sex in general .. has always been very oppressed .... and religion has always been at the for front ... many things that have been used by the elite to control and manipulate the masses are dead wood today.

but rather than see these things as a possative that man kind is starting to see through the crap that has been used on us.... some actually think that these liberating times and liborating changes are just trickery by the elite.

But this is the very reason the elite want a NWO.... its the very reason the elite want to take freedom from us by putting in place a new structure.

Because they can no longer control us by the silly things of the past....

they are not going to oppress gay people any more because they know they wont be oppressed.... they are not going to oppress females ...because they know they wont be oppressed.... and they are not going to use Jesus Christ to put us in our place because they know that he does not work any more... what thay can do is corrupt everything like they have always done.

there last chance is to create a NWO where they will own us regardless.

for me, religious poeple do not mind taking all hope away.... they do not mind painting a picture that shows all we admire and gain inspiration from as really evil, where we are helplessly lost. They do not mind inspirational people like John Lennon... Bill Hicks.... George Carlin.... being brushed off as tricksters working for Satan, why? ... because their answer is their Lord. nothing else should save us anyway in their eyes. They can view the whole place as tits up and where we are all up shit creek with out a paddle, because its ok, faith in Jesus will bring us the magic we need to be free.... the more doomed anything outside of that belief is the more safer Jesus is.... this does not mean they are all selfish as obviously not all of them are... .. but its how that program works.

So because that's the mind set they are in, we see how hard it is for them to take that Jesus Christ faith away.....

that's how it seems to me.... i don't believe reality is as bad as most Christians make out... I don't believe there are as many wolf in sheep's clothing as they make out...

aee02
27-11-2008, 12:49 AM
During the time of the holy books being written, population wasn't the issue it is today, the more fertile the womenfolk, the more success the particular religion, in particular the Abrahamic religions, had in getting one over on the competition. Any form of sexual pleasure that didn't end in the creation of an addition to the religious group was frowned upon. Anything which wasted "seed" be it self pleasure, homosexuality or other acts, were frowned upon to the extend of at least being cast out to some of the most horrific penalties.
Homosexuality was probably one of the least favoured practices as it often involves a relationship which doesn't result in offspring.
The penalties for such behavior would have been deliberately chosen to be as brutal as possible for the greatest deterrence.

Good post, Rhydra. That is how I look at the purity laws too. I also believe that was to separate the tribes from other religions that practiced sexual rituals.

I always tell myself when I see this topic to refrain from posting because it is mostly based on emotions-myself included. --But I don't listen to myself very well. However, I do believe this forum is one of the most open-minded ones I have ever seen..

First, I think it is so tragic that these scriptures are used to create such divisiveness. I think it is helpful to keep in mind that these laws were of a different time and culture. It is important to keep things in context like history and translation.

Personally, I feel these "laws" are talking about acts and not about relationships. I believe most homosexuals would rather people stay out of their bedrooms.

I don't have a homosexual agenda. I do not need any toaster ovens and I'm pretty sure Xena did not turn me Gay. If had an agenda it would be that me and my partner of 8 years would like to be able to claim each other on taxes and for her to be able to be a parent to our child without having to go through legal adoption. Those are some of the things that heterosexual couples get free. Heterosexual couples can have the word "marriage" for all I care. I think everyone should have civil unions for legal stuff and then a separate ceromony for reilgious affiliations. My partner and I had our own personal ceremony and we are good with God and all. I'm not judging anyone else. All I can say is that if loving my partner spritually and physically is wrong then perhaps that is a heaven I do not want to enter.

Also, I want to say I agree that 5 and 6 year olds seem to be too young for sex education. Heterosexual or Homosexual sex education aside, I feel it should be the parent's responsibility and not government sticking their noses in other people's business.

Lastly, in my experience when you take the time to get to know "those" people you will find that "those" people are not much different from yourselves and that "those" labels fall away.

Thanks for letting me vent.. It was an emotional experience. ;)

comawhite015
27-11-2008, 12:55 AM
I don't know how oppressed Hitler was.... I have a pretty good idea that the people he worked for were not.

I like your posts, Thirdwave, firstly. :D

Secondly, no, they weren't opressed. How about repressed?

thetonic
27-11-2008, 01:34 AM
they are not going to oppress gay people any more because they know they wont be oppressed.... they are not going to oppress females ...because they know they wont be oppressed.... and they are not going to use Jesus Christ to put us in our place because they know that he does not work any more... what thay can do is corrupt everything like they have always done.

Yeah right , they are doing all those things both subversively and openly... Call us when you get back on planet earth



They can view the whole place as tits up and where we are all up shit creek with out a paddle, because its ok, faith in Jesus will bring us the magic we need to be free....


No its Crowleys anal sex majik that will free your mind:rolleyes:

thetonic
27-11-2008, 01:45 AM
If had an agenda it would be that me and my partner of 8 years would like to be able to claim each other on taxes and for her to be able to be a parent to our child without having to go through legal adoption. Those are some of the things that heterosexual couples get free. Heterosexual couples can have the word "marriage" for all I care. I think everyone should have civil unions for legal stuff and then a separate ceromony for reilgious affiliations. My partner and I had our own personal ceremony and we are good with God and all. I'm not judging anyone else. All I can say is that if loving my partner spritually and physically is wrong then perhaps that is a heaven I do not want to enter.


See getting married for a tax break is undoubtedly doing it for the wrong reasons as so many do this today be it gay or straight.

Marraige was originally just a unioun of two people (dont care if its gay or not) in the eyes of the creator... A holy union so to say... Which has fuck all to do with taxes/ lawyers/ pre-nups/ paperwork ... That is the true bastardization of 'marriage' and now people dont even know what the true meaning of marriage is

Loving your partner spiritually is the best thing you can do for them. Can you only do that if somebody says youre 'married' and you have a lawyer(liar) tell you so with a piece of paper?

thetonic
27-11-2008, 01:46 AM
I like your posts, Thirdwave, firstly. :D



:eek::eek::eek:

thirdwave
27-11-2008, 02:49 AM
I like your posts, Thirdwave, firstly. :D

Secondly, no, they weren't opressed. How about repressed?

glad they are being appreciated :)

and yes Repressed is more fitting i guess...


Yeah right , they are doing all those things both subversively and openly... Call us when you get back on planet earth

I have never been on planet earth... I am and have always been in the universe.

and if your extreme ignorance is what being on earth represents then I wont be rushing down there any time soon..


No its Crowleys anal sex majik that will free your mind:rolleyes:

lol, dear me, you and your Guru's .... no, anal sex will not free your mind... and neither will Crowley....

being FREE will.....

and the optimist that I am, I'm sure at some stage the penny will drop and you will crack on.

thetonic
27-11-2008, 03:08 AM
lol, dear me, you and your Guru's .... no, anal sex will not free your mind... and neither will Crowley....
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Gurus eh?.. I dont have any other than god... Glad we at least agree on the latter

aee02
27-11-2008, 04:56 AM
See getting married for a tax break is undoubtedly doing it for the wrong reasons as so many do this today be it gay or straight.

Marraige was originally just a unioun of two people (dont care if its gay or not) in the eyes of the creator... A holy union so to say... Which has fuck all to do with taxes/ lawyers/ pre-nups/ paperwork ... That is the true bastardization of 'marriage' and now people dont even know what the true meaning of marriage is

Loving your partner spiritually is the best thing you can do for them. Can you only do that if somebody says youre 'married' and you have a lawyer(liar) tell you so with a piece of paper?

Hi Thetonic:

You make some interesting points as to why folks may get married.

Again, I have been with my partner for 8 years and ALL of this time without those legal benefits. Who the fuck cares? I guess my partner would if something happened to me and I was in a coma and she didn't have the rights to say if I wanted to be on life support or not; or worse if I died and since she is not the legal parent the state could take our child or my parents could petition for custody.

I'm really not trying to be ugly here and please forgive my frustrations but there are things that are certainly more difficult for homosexual couples than heterosexual couples.

The world would be wonderful if we could live without those governmental nuciences that dictate our lives. I agree marriage should be about the love and certainly has been in my case but the reality is that we pay taxes and the truth of it is my partner and I pay more than most of our neighbors. My partner pays domestic partner tax on our insurance.

Perhaps the answer is that everyone should pay individual taxes without head of household or marriage benefits to claim.

I apologize for getting off subject of the original post and I apologize Thetonic if I offended in any way. I do appreciate your view point. I probably will not answer if there is further discussion since I will be out of town for a few days. Thanks.

the itinerant shrubber
27-11-2008, 09:39 AM
The Bible doesnt like homo's but thinks gang-rape is just dandy.
What a book to live by.:rolleyes:

thirdwave
27-11-2008, 01:04 PM
Gurus eh?.. I dont have any other than god... Glad we at least agree on the latter


LOL.... You don't have any? apart from your precious real one ah? ... I got news for you pall, there are LOADS of "real ones".

and they all mean jack shit to me....

as for Crowley, don't let it beat you up so much... its not like if you don't read his works you will suffer or take a wrong path.....

thirdwave
27-11-2008, 06:59 PM
Hi Thetonic:

You make some interesting points as to why folks may get married.

Again, I have been with my partner for 8 years and ALL of this time without those legal benefits. Who the fuck cares? I guess my partner would if something happened to me and I was in a coma and she didn't have the rights to say if I wanted to be on life support or not; or worse if I died and since she is not the legal parent the state could take our child or my parents could petition for custody.

I'm really not trying to be ugly here and please forgive my frustrations but there are things that are certainly more difficult for homosexual couples than heterosexual couples.

The world would be wonderful if we could live without those governmental nuciences that dictate our lives. I agree marriage should be about the love and certainly has been in my case but the reality is that we pay taxes and the truth of it is my partner and I pay more than most of our neighbors. My partner pays domestic partner tax on our insurance.

Perhaps the answer is that everyone should pay individual taxes without head of household or marriage benefits to claim.

I apologize for getting off subject of the original post and I apologize Thetonic if I offended in any way. I do appreciate your view point. I probably will not answer if there is further discussion since I will be out of town for a few days. Thanks.

the thing is ... the benefits of being married are only benefits because the people who invented marriage made them so :)

if a couple have worries regarding certain situations they should be able to sort them out without getting married... signing bits a bobs to make sure them and their kids security is all good...

I am not saying i am against marriage, it does not really bother me either way if the person i loved really wanted it... ok, i guess parts of my family would like it so i would do it to please them.... but it means nothing to me really..

comawhite015
27-11-2008, 09:25 PM
The Bible doesnt like homo's but thinks gang-rape is just dandy.
What a book to live by.:rolleyes:

Fucking perfect. :D

ayomide
29-11-2008, 01:04 AM
Homosexuality and any form of sex is not a sin, fornification or whatever abomination some guys here try to make it out to be. unless it's bondage and whips thats just wrong lol :p

I am done arguing with people who obviously to narrow to really embarce the big world out there. I notice that the first thing straight men always refer to when they talk of ''gay guys'' is anal sex but if they see 2 women getting it off licking each others slits with an inflate nozzles that drips when aroused - They cool with it but it's really just thier dicks dictating them ... :rolleyes: anyway your life is what you do with it and do not let anyone dictate your life because you'll end up damaging your essence.

Oh and another thing I noticed that the topic always just revolves around gay men and not lesbians - I have noticed that it's actually socially acceptable to be lesbian but they still do face discrimination .. if you talk of homosexuality .. your refering to both male and female .. don't forget the deisel and daisy lesbians :)

Being a gay man I think I should condition and influence women to start using 8 audible commands that straight men are able to comprehend and execute effectively, they are ''sit, stand, eat, sleep, shit, sports, sex, shush'' I think if our hetero galfriends use those commands we gay men wouldn't suffer much really!!:rolleyes: IMO

Oh and comawhite015 .. is that you in your avatar?? You really handsome ihihihhihi

comawhite015
29-11-2008, 01:32 AM
Homosexuality and any form of sex is not a sin, fornification or whatever abomination some guys here try to make it out to be. unless it's bondage and whips thats just wrong lol :p

I am done arguing with people who obviously to narrow to really embarce the big world out there. I notice that the first thing straight men always refer to when they talk of ''gay guys'' is anal sex but if they see 2 women getting it off licking each other slits with inflate nozzles that drips when aroused - They cool with it but it's really just thier dicks dictating them ... :rolleyes: anyway your life is what you do with it and do not let anyone dictate your life because you'll end up damaging your essence.

Oh and another thing I noticed that the topic always just revolves around gay men and not lesbians - I have noticed that it's actually socially acceptable to be lesbian but they still do face discrimination .. if you talk of homosexuality .. your refering to both male and female .. don't forget the deisel and daisy lesbians :)

Being a gay man I think I should condition and influence women to start using 8 audible commands that straight men are able to comprehend and execute effectively, they are ''sit, stand, eat, sleep, shit, sports, sex, shush'' I think if our hetero galfriends use those commands we gay men wouldn't suffer much really!!:rolleyes: IMO

Oh and comawhite015 .. is that you in your avatar?? You really handsome ihihihhihi



That double standard has always amazed me. BUT THEN you bring it up and they're like 'OH ERM YES THAT IS BAD TOO'... meanwhile they have lesbian porn.. I can almost guarantee it.

That is a fantastic suggestion. And being gay with the whole ability to condition and influence, obviously, you'll totally get away with it and NO ONE will be able to stop you. Oh and train some kids to walk around with a limp wrist. Cuz we ALL do that.

And yes. Yes it is me. Thanks =)

aee02
29-11-2008, 03:24 PM
the thing is ... the benefits of being married are only benefits because the people who invented marriage made them so :)

if a couple have worries regarding certain situations they should be able to sort them out without getting married... signing bits a bobs to make sure them and their kids security is all good...

I am not saying i am against marriage, it does not really bother me either way if the person i loved really wanted it... ok, i guess parts of my family would like it so i would do it to please them.... but it means nothing to me really..

Hello Thirdwave:

Thanks for your post. Although I don't always agree with you I really do enjoy your perspectives. This one included! You are right. I have straight friends who have received undue pressure to get married. Some of them have been together longer than my married friends.

Our ceremony was very personal and spiritual without the state so in that sense you are 100% correct. Its just the personal frustrations of the extra hoops we have to jump through that others take for granted that bother me.

I'm not very good at debating because I do take things rather personal so maybe I should I should stick to reading and learning from others. Thanks again.:)

streetcat
29-11-2008, 08:37 PM
I regard it as an ilness.
Hence i dont judge it.
If however someone starts saying it isn't an ilnees, then mt attitude changes.
-being gay is'nt an illness.your attitude is.the first time homosexuality (or any sexuality come to think of it) became a problem was around 2000 years ago when politics disguised itself as religion.true religion is divine,loving yiour family,your partner and your neighbour.every war that's been fought over the last 20 centuries has been in the name of religion.i believe jesus was a beautiful man who had the right idea,it's just a shame there's no money to be made in the name of it.

talulah
29-11-2008, 11:06 PM
-being gay is'nt an illness.your attitude is.the first time homosexuality (or any sexuality come to think of it) became a problem was around 2000 years ago when politics disguised itself as religion.true religion is divine,loving yiour family,your partner and your neighbour.every war that's been fought over the last 20 centuries has been in the name of religion.i believe jesus was a beautiful man who had the right idea,it's just a shame there's no money to be made in the name of it.

Exellent post Street Cat People who believe being Gay is an illness no doubt believe we can also catch The Aids Virus from sitting on a Toilet seat.

streetcat
29-11-2008, 11:11 PM
I have no problem with it allthough i dont agree with anal sex i think its dangrous and unnatrual ....

in an over populated world it's natures way off dealing with that.completely natural.

streetcat
29-11-2008, 11:15 PM
I've been amazed at the amount of ignorance I've found on this site.I expected enlightenment but have found missionary position crazed homophobes in every forum.Jeezo.

element
29-11-2008, 11:17 PM
I've been amazed at the amount of ignorance I've found on this site.I expected enlightenment but have found missionary position crazed homophobes in every forum.Jeezo.

You will find all kinds of people here.
Icke's books hold a lot of subjects, that's why.
Actually, anyone can use some of Icke's work to strengthen ones argument.

streetcat
29-11-2008, 11:20 PM
Exellent post Street Cat People who believe being Gay is an illness no doubt believe we can also catch The Aids Virus from sitting on a Toilet seat.

These heterosexual men should be glad guys like me are gay cause if we wanted their woman,we'd get them.Having us turn straight would just push them down another rung on the ladder of eligable men.Foolish boys :D

talulah
29-11-2008, 11:22 PM
I've been amazed at the amount of ignorance I've found on this site.I expected enlightenment but have found missionary position crazed homophobes in every forum.Jeezo.

Do you know what it is?I beleive as humans many of us have homosxual fantasies,i for one am not ashamed to say that.However in my experience i find a lot of straight men are homophobic because deep down they have fantasies of gay sex but are too ashamed to admit it.And if its a so called sin then how come theres Gay vicars and priests??;)

streetcat
29-11-2008, 11:28 PM
Do you know what it is?I beleive as humans many of us have homosxual fantasies,i for one am not ashamed to say that.However in my experience i find a lot of straight men are homophobic because deep down they have fantasies of gay sex but are too ashamed to admit it.And if its a so called sin then how come theres Gay vicars and priests??;)

I'd rather a priest was openly gay than a sexually repressed raper of alter boys but the catholic church does not agree.

talulah
29-11-2008, 11:33 PM
I'd rather a priest was openly gay than a sexually repressed raper of alter boys but the catholic church does not agree.

The Vatican has its own department that deals with paedo priests.

streetcat
29-11-2008, 11:37 PM
The Vatican has its own department that deals with paedo priests.

Yeah I know..it's like rapists monitering rapists.That is a crazy situation.

talulah
29-11-2008, 11:40 PM
Yeah I know..it's like rapists monitering rapists.That is a crazy situation.

i agree with you,its a sign of the times.so called men of god.suffer the little children.

streetcat
29-11-2008, 11:42 PM
The Vatican has its own department that deals with paedo priests.

I watched a documentary about how the church deals with paedo priests and it was distressing as fuck.They send them to more remote locations as punishment for their crimes.This one priest was moved 7 times for the same crimes and ended up in southern Africa where his ongoing crimes went undetected for a further eight years.Truly shameful.

talulah
29-11-2008, 11:46 PM
I watched a documentary about how the church deals with paedo priests and it was distressing as fuck.They send them to more remote locations as punishment for their crimes.This one priest was moved 7 times for the same crimes and ended up in southern Africa where his ongoing crimes went undetected for a further eight years.Truly shameful.

Its a disgrace thats happening its the same with micheal Jackkson hes living with the prince of brunai.Corruption starts at the top and if youve got m oney/power you can do anything you like in this world.

tostada
15-03-2010, 10:43 PM
I have no problem with it allthough i dont agree with anal sex i think its dangrous and unnatrual ....

Anal sex is actually a very ancient form of sexual contact. And I also point out that hetersexual couples do it too, though obviously this form of contact is more popular in male homosexual intercourse. Some animals do it too, for example the bonobo. Both men and women playing the passive role in anal intercourse can achive orgasms.


5 Myths of Anal Sex Uncovered
by Hilda Hutcherson, M.D. (author of What Your Mother Never Told You about Sex)

http://love.ivillage.com/lnssex/sextaboos/0,,jdgc-1,00.html

drael
16-03-2010, 05:13 AM
If its not "natural" then why is it extremely prevelant in animals? Surely something very common in nature, is by defination "natural".

As for the "it isnt designed for it" thing, clearly, neither is the mouth, or hand, nor are the breasts designed as sexual organs. If evolution were to have its way, sex would be just like with animals, mount, screw for a seconds, and then its over - Clearly nothing about human sexuality (kissing, different sex positions, foreplay, role-play, costumes, whips and chains, high heels and lingerie, the use of breasts, mouth and hands) is "natural" if considering only the behaviour of animals, design, function and breeding.

Humans have highly socialised the sex act, because we are social creatures, to the point where it bears little resemblance to anything serving procreation or function.

And even if anal sex wasnt "natural" or "designed for", that in itself doesnt make it morally wrong. That isnt even an argument: unnatural = morally wrong. Medicine isnt natural, yet people use it. Computers you are using to type with arent natural. Cars you drive in. Video games and TV you watch. Very little of human endevour can be consider prescribed by nature. If you were really concerned about "design" and "nature" when you got sick, youd do nothing about it. The body isnt designed to be healed from the outside. You wouldnt drive a car, or see a movie. The eyes arent designed for watching movies, the legs and arms arent designed for driving a car.

Its honestly the most disconnected, self-deluded and nonsensical argument ive heard in a long time.

christ4life
16-03-2010, 05:43 AM
Cordial Felicitations; Thirdwave:

I am not a Christian, yet as one who has studied the matter, I may be able to cast some light in a positive manner, as concerns this most provocative Topic: Promicuous Hetero and Unigender Sexual Activity.

As far as the Bible is concerned; the Laws of YHWH are for preserving the Health, Safety and Welfare of the Individual; thus the Tribe-us.

Even on this Board stories are related asto the Emotional Distress that is no stranger to Licentious Behaviour.

It is Cause and Effect. It is certainly a Scientific and Historical Fact that Licentious Behaviour manifests as a multitude of Negatives for Individuals and Groups.

STDs; Broken Families; Emotional, Mental, Spiritual Depression, often manifesting as crimes/violence against oneself or others.

STDs are especially heinous. Not only do they diminish the Potential of the Individual afflicted, but often this disease is 'passed on' to successive generations. This results in a child being born blind two generations removed.

Many of the Laws of YHWH are for the preservation of your blood. Once your blood is polluted, your potential health and wellbeing are compromised. Preservation of the blood is very important for you and those you sire and those around you.

It is amazing but 4,000 Years ago YHWH spoke to several million people in the Desert about Biology.

The Tao of Yahweh is for the Man to be the Head of his Family, and he may have as many wives as he can properly provide for.

King Shlomo/Solomon overdid it: 700 wives; 1,500 Concubines. lol

Families remain united. Disease free, emotionaly, mentaly, spiritualy peaceful.

I like the Amish alot :) , do you Brits have Amish over there?

My question is did King Solomon ever sleep? Seemed like he was busy all the time lol.

christ4life
16-03-2010, 05:55 AM
Put religion aside why would any of you like anal sex? It just seems gross to me because your sticking your dinger were someone has taken a dump.

drael
16-03-2010, 06:34 AM
The Tao of Yahweh is for the Man to be the Head of his Family, and he may have as many wives as he can properly provide for.

Then all it takes is one of them to get an STD, and they all get it. Kind of flies in the face of your health argument there (not that it makes much sense anyway, after all, why not just use a condom, now we have them?), as the risk of infidelity is obviously lower with one partner, than with many.


Put religion aside why would any of you like anal sex?

Because it feels good?

qpid
16-03-2010, 07:57 AM
peace :)

thirdwave
16-03-2010, 11:51 AM
Put religion aside why would any of you like anal sex? It just seems gross to me because your sticking your dinger were someone has taken a dump.

why would people kiss?

intimacy..

It is not my prime target... but if the moments right and the team is all go, then as long as the team wins its all good in my book!.

tostada
06-04-2010, 12:16 AM
Is Homosexuality a Choice? A clip from the documentary "For the bible tells me so"

Is Homosexuality a Choice? - YouTube


The American Medical Association

The American Psychiatric Association

The American Psychological Association

The American Psychoanalytic Association

The American Academy of Pediatrics

The National Association of Social Workers

Have all stated that homosexuality should not be treated as a mental disorder. And that they oppose attempts at repairitive or conversion therapy. And that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed.




for the documentary go here
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


Arlington, Virginia--The Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association, the world's largest organization of anthropologists, released the following statement on February 26, 2004 in response to President Bush's call for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage as a threat to civilization:

The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies.

The Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association strongly opposes a constitutional amendment limiting marriage to heterosexual couples.

http://www.aaanet.org/issues/policy-advocacy/Statement-on-Marriage-and-the-Family.cfm




What the Gay Brain Looks Like


What makes people gay? Biologists may never get a complete answer to that question, but researchers in Sweden have found one more sign that the answer lies in the structure of the brain.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html



What's Morally Wrong with Homosexuality? Extended Trailer

What's Morally Wrong with Homosexuality-- newer version - YouTube



Most arguments against homosexuality fall into 3 categories: (1) the Bible condemns it; (2) it's harmful; and (3) it's unnatural.

JOHN CORVINO, Ph.D. philosopher, moralist, gay-rights advocate, addresses each of these.



Homosexuality and Morality, Part 1: The Essential Question
http://www.johncorvino.com/article_archive/26719.html

Homosexuality and Morality, Part 2: The Bible
http://www.johncorvino.com/article_archive/26720.html

Homosexuality and Morality, Part 3: The Harm Arguments
http://www.johncorvino.com/article_archive/26721.html

Homosexuality and Morality, Part 4: The Unnaturalness Argument
http://www.johncorvino.com/article_archive/26722.html

Homosexuality and Morality, Part 5: Retaining the Moral High Ground
http://www.johncorvino.com/article_archive/26723.html

Homosexuality and Morality, Part 6: The Virtue of Homosexuality
http://www.johncorvino.com/article_archive/26724.html



The Science of Gaydar
If sexual orientation is biological, are the traits that make people seem gay innate, too? The new research on everything from voice pitch to hair whorl.

http://nymag.com/news/features/33520/




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bendoon
06-04-2010, 01:30 AM
The American Medical Association

The American Psychiatric Association

The American Psychological Association

The American Psychoanalytic Association

The American Academy of Pediatrics

The National Association of Social Workers

Have all stated that homosexuality should not be treated as a mental disorder. And that they oppose attempts at repairitive or conversion therapy. And that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed.



.

In other words the NWO has stipulated that being gay is good and to be promoted.

tostada
06-04-2010, 09:26 AM
In other words the NWO has stipulated that being gay is good and to be promoted.

It's hard to picture that most social scientist are part of a secret conspiracy to turn the world gay, [evil laugh]

Fear based conspiracies tend to make one easily paranoid, tis their purpose after all. One does wonder if we should just take the word of the so called experts of the multitude of subjects. Perhaps the first step towards critical thinking is studying the subject yourself. But even doing so you will likely be influenced by the research of someone else, even if just a little. Or maybe experiencing the subject directly, but wouldn't the conclusions be quite subjective? I guess it is an important question, how much of the science can we trust? Are we being fed lie after lie or are there individuals in the mainstreme world of research who actually do care about giving us the facts. And while misinformation and disinformation are to be expected in our world of information overload and agenda driven propaganda I have faith that there are many authentic seekers of knowledge and truth in the mainstreme and outside of it.

But even though I'm not anti-gay I guess it is possible for an agenda of acceptance and tolerance to get hijacked by people who want to use it for their own hidden agendas. As it has happened with the green movement.


Some of my own opinions about homosexuality...


Homosexual actions are natural because they are found in nature, the animal kingdom and the human kingdom. But does this make it moral? When it comes to morality things get a little complicated since morality is not set in stone. Perhaps there are some universal moral codes but not when it comes to sexual conduct.
And you may ask, what about exclusive homosexuals, why would nature create them? And nature did create them since there appears to be a biological basis for the exclusive homosexual and also for the gender queer person. I like to see it this way, nothing is ever black and white and it is diversity of the human experience that makes our world so very interesting.

bendoon
06-04-2010, 11:24 AM
It's hard to picture that most social scientist are part of a secret conspiracy to turn the world gay, [evil laugh]

Who said they were, thats just a typical cheap shot way to discredit people who don't share your views. There is no doubt however that homo sexuality is condoned and promoted by the PTB, a secret conspiracy is not necessary because its all out in the open for anyone to see.

thirdwave
06-04-2010, 11:50 AM
Man 1, says to Man 2 "i want to have sex with you".. Man 2 says, "i want you to have sex with me".... they do.

Man 3 points at them and tells them they are bad and tries to stop them.

What man is wrong?

islamvslizards
06-04-2010, 11:54 AM
Man 1, says to Man 2 "i want to have sex with you".. Man 2 says, "i want you to have sex with me".... they do.

Man 3 points at them and tells them they are bad and tries to stop them.

What man is wrong?

man 3 mate. hes got no business pointing fingers at anyone. he should be looking at his own sins before denouncing others.

Yes the Koran is also against it....

I'm just interested to hear if any Muslims or Christians here do not oppose homosexuality and if so what their views are on these scriptures...

the islamic view is - its none of anyones business. true that it is not accepted in islam, however if its done in private then islam has no sharia punishment associated. its only if the actual act of sodomy/oral sex is done in public, in front of witnesses, that it becomes punishable.

please bear in mind that heterosexual sex acts in public are also punishable. what people do in private is between them and their god. what they do in public must be tasteful and decent and respectable according to the community they live in.

thirdwave
06-04-2010, 02:11 PM
man 3 mate. hes got no business pointing fingers at anyone. he should be looking at his own sins before denouncing others.


I agree %100.

alexc
06-04-2010, 07:12 PM
Doom Town (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0273/0273_01.asp)

A transcript of an openly gay man freely confessing the gay agenda. (http://www.cornswalled.com/2007/07/michael-swift-gay-revolutionary.html)

joe911
06-04-2010, 07:24 PM
A transcript of an openly gay man freely confessing the gay agenda. (http://www.cornswalled.com/2007/07/michael-swift-gay-revolutionary.html)

Alexander Cornswalled

Alexander Cornswalled is a Midwestern Conservative Christian. <From your 'source'


There is no gay agenda. And as pointed out to you in another thread,that 'confession' is believed to be satire.

alexc
06-04-2010, 07:30 PM
Alexander Cornswalled

Alexander Cornswalled is a Midwestern Conservative Christian. <From your 'source'


There is no gay agenda. And as pointed out to you in another thread,that 'confession' is believed to be satire.

Try doing some research. The web site was QUOTING a document that was published in a gay magazine in 1987 and has been entered into the congressional record. Michael Swift used the label of "satire" to hide his intentions but no one has been fooled by that label, until you came along.

rodin
06-04-2010, 07:34 PM
Ok, IMO homosexuality is compleatly harmless, does not hurt anyone and love can still be expressed with two Gay partners.... also I don't think there is anything wrong with sex before marriage .... In fact I am not even sure why marriage must take part as love is not labelled by a ceremony it is simply an emotion.


So are there any Christians here who believe it is ok to be a homosexual or to have sex before marriage....?

As far as I can tell the bible clearly opposes them both, So what are the views of a Christian who thinks it is ok

?

I am very much revisionist Christian

Gays are not normal - their condition should not be celebrated, promoted as a lifestyle. It contaminates the healthy majority stock. It is a dark work to pervert others

On the other have if you are born with this spiritual disfigurement find similar and do what you want. In private

Hetero sex before marriage? No strong opinion, but I think 'sleeping around' takes the focus off the real purpose of sex - to create life subsequent to nurturing it.

michael christopher
06-04-2010, 07:39 PM
I don't know about here, but most of the Christians I've met in my life will openly admit that parts of the Bible are wrong. I've met a great deal of Christians who not only tolerate homosexuality, but who believe it is just as natural as heterosexuality.

Here you're more likely to find idiot fundamentalists than rational human beings.

And yeah, if you believe homosexuality is unnatural or immoral in any way, you are an idiot. A complete moron, in fact. And don't bother responding saying "Oh, so we're idiots because we disagree with you?"

Because I'll just say yes. So save yourself the trouble.

God, these homosexuality posts piss me off. What a non-issue. Debate something that matters. JESUS H. CHRIST! And BY THE WAY, if you are pro-gay, do NOT debate with anti-gay assholes! They aren't talking to YOU, they're talking to themselves. You give them an opportunity to feel good about their disgusting convictions every time you bring up the question "is homosexuality okay?" Because they just get on their little soap box and rise to the challenge.

Let them seethe to death in their hatred. Stop picking at old wounds. You will never change the mind of a grade A idiot so why should you bother?

clachan
06-04-2010, 08:37 PM
I am very much revisionist Christian

Gays are not normal - their condition should not be celebrated, promoted as a lifestyle. It contaminates the healthy majority stock. It is a dark work to pervert others

On the other have if you are born with this spiritual disfigurement find similar and do what you want. In private

Hetero sex before marriage? No strong opinion, but I think 'sleeping around' takes the focus off the real purpose of sex - to create life subsequent to nurturing it.

I agree with that.....apart from the in private sentence.
If something is a perverted and sick act then what difference does it make where you do it ?

thirdwave
06-04-2010, 09:20 PM
I am very much revisionist Christian

Gays are not normal - their condition should not be celebrated, promoted as a lifestyle. It contaminates the healthy majority stock. It is a dark work to pervert others


this is all a christian perspective as an opinion, just to make that clear... which you are free to have of course..

but for example.. prove to me nature did not create homosexuals to help reduce population of humans...

or show us why animals also show homosexual tendencies...

Tell me why homosexuals have existed within the human race for as far back as a history records can make out...

My gripe with the christian perspective as its all to convenient and easy to say its all to do with Satan.... But there is nothing more natural about Satan as there is homosexuals..

and certain no more evidence of his existence as there is that homosexuality is not a part of nature..

Note, that I am not and have never wanted to be homosexual, so my views are not self motivated... its simply my ethical take on it.

On the other have if you are born with this spiritual disfigurement find similar and do what you want. In private

ahh you see, I have never ever favoured any form of fascism... you either say all people have to do it in private or none... I do not believe in classes or segregation... unless of course if you are a danger to other people and others need to defend them sevles against you..


Hetero sex before marriage? No strong opinion, but I think 'sleeping around' takes the focus off the real purpose of sex - to create life subsequent to nurturing it.

I don't think sex is just about reproduction... I think humans have way to much intelligence.. for example what it a kiss?... what is a hug?

what is art?.. how many other animals create art like humans do?

Its clear the human mind is far more stimulating...

should people stop having sex when they have enough kids? .. or cant afford any more...

I think humans use sex as away of expressing love... it just so happens that nature thought it would be a good spot to put those human creation tools as two people falling in love is a pretty good ingredient to create a human..

bendoon
06-04-2010, 09:21 PM
And yeah, if you believe homosexuality is unnatural or immoral in any way, you are an idiot. A complete moron, in fact.


And if you say it is natural or moral in anyway you are a total idiot and a degenerate and a promoter of NWO propaganda. Two can play these childish games.

joe911
06-04-2010, 09:31 PM
Try doing some research. The web site was QUOTING a document that was published in a gay magazine in 1987 and has been entered into the congressional record. Michael Swift used the label of "satire" to hide his intentions but no one has been fooled by that label, until you came along.
And because one guy said it,it must be true? We do have a laugh with things like this,when people like you claim 'they want to recruit our kids'. Harvey Milk was probably the most famous for addressing this,he used to open his speech with "Hi,Im Harvey Milk,and I wanna recruit you" Its called humour.

We don't have an agenda. We just want to be able to live without fear.

I am very much revisionist Christian

Gays are not normal - their condition should not be celebrated, promoted as a lifestyle. It contaminates the healthy majority stock. It is a dark work to pervert others

On the other have if you are born with this spiritual disfigurement find similar and do what you want. In private

Hetero sex before marriage? No strong opinion, but I think 'sleeping around' takes the focus off the real purpose of sex - to create life subsequent to nurturing it.

To quote Mary Griffith, "If you say its wrong to be born with no arms or legs,and a child is born with no arms or legs,whats that child do think"

If being gay is a disease,why can't I call in sick and say "Sorry,I cant come in today,Im still gay"? It doesn't contaminate anything,as it can't be caught. Many people live closet lives,or some famous people have even lived their lives as the opposite gender,and nobody ever treat them any differently,just goes to show huh?

michael christopher
06-04-2010, 10:25 PM
And if you say it is natural or moral in anyway you are a total idiot and a degenerate and a promoter of NWO propaganda. Two can play these childish games.

Play the game all you want, but only one of us is right, and it's me. Homophobes are morons. It's not a matter of perspective.

thirdwave
06-04-2010, 11:55 PM
And if you say it is natural or moral in anyway you are a total idiot and a degenerate and a promoter of NWO propaganda.

or that he thinks its natural.

how do you know if its natural or not?... are you gay?

bendoon
07-04-2010, 12:07 AM
I was just highlighting his illogical line of debate.

michael christopher
07-04-2010, 12:45 AM
I was just highlighting his illogical line of debate.

But it's not illogical. In fact, your entire argument - that it's just as silly for me to call you a moron for being anti-gay as for you to call me a moron for being gay - is an enormous fallacy. It presupposes that neither of us can be right. In fact, I am right. Homophobes are morons.

Completely rational. Your entire line of reasoning is based on a supposition you make about nature - one which nature quite frequently tries to remind you that you are wrong about. Homosexuality is natural because homosexuality exists. If you don't recognize this, you are a (clueless) idiot.

bendoon
07-04-2010, 12:56 AM
Homosexuality is natural because homosexuality exists. If you don't recognize this, you are a (clueless) idiot.

So, following on from that; canibalism is natural because canibalism exists ?

Sorry, not buying it.

michael christopher
07-04-2010, 01:45 AM
So, following on from that; canibalism is natural because canibalism exists ?

Sorry, not buying it.

Yes, cannibalism is natural. That doesn't make it healthy. I'm just pointing out the absolute idiocy of referring to homosexuality as unnatural.

If you think cannibalism is unnatural that means you think it doesn't occur in nature. In that presumption, you would be monumentally ignorant.

If you want to focus on attacking homosexuality, which you clearly do (which raises some questions about what you consider to be a priority), then you should attack it for how it is harmful behavior, but if you refer to it as "unnatural" then you must be incredibly stupid, as you would be revealing that you have no idea what the word natural means.

It's not that hard to figure out. Natural means "occurring in nature." I don't see how I can be faulted for pointing out how stupid it is to misunderstand the word natural, since the definition is practically contained in the f-ing word itself.

thereisonlywe
07-04-2010, 04:41 AM
Yes, cannibalism is natural. That doesn't make it healthy. I'm just pointing out the absolute idiocy of referring to homosexuality as unnatural.

If you think cannibalism is unnatural that means you think it doesn't occur in nature. In that presumption, you would be monumentally ignorant.

If you want to focus on attacking homosexuality, which you clearly do (which raises some questions about what you consider to be a priority), then you should attack it for how it is harmful behavior, but if you refer to it as "unnatural" then you must be incredibly stupid, as you would be revealing that you have no idea what the word natural means.

It's not that hard to figure out. Natural means "occurring in nature." I don't see how I can be faulted for pointing out how stupid it is to misunderstand the word natural, since the definition is practically contained in the f-ing word itself.

But in that sense, the word "natural" would lose its meaning since everything would be natural, since we live in the nature.

The best thing is to say, it is a fact that it exists within people and then you guys may debate if it is right or wrong. But in order to do that you have to define what is right. If you take it as something beneficial, then you have to define what is beneficial...

For that reason, we would say, for spiritual development it is wrong. It is also the reason of destruction of a whole society (according to Quran). So, it is not just bad (according to Quran and our knowledge of God).

Love&Peace

energi
07-04-2010, 08:17 AM
For that reason, we would say, for spiritual development it is wrong. It is also the reason of destruction of a whole society (according to Quran). So, it is not just bad (according to Quran and our knowledge of God).

Love&Peace

The abrahamic religions are all creations of the Illuminati, which most people on this forum knows no matter what religion they choose to pursue. If Islam claims homosexuality as bad for spiritual development, then why was muhammad - allegedly one that was VERY spiritually evolved - having sex with a child?

Some muslims argue that she would have been through her puberty already, therefore menstruating and all of that and being ready for sex. But she was still young, right?

I'm not in the mood for derailing this thread with copy/paste of quran verses right now (and this thread was originally about the bible) so i'll leave it at that. :)

thereisonlywe
07-04-2010, 10:10 AM
The abrahamic religions are all creations of the Illuminati, which most people on this forum knows no matter what religion they choose to pursue. If Islam claims homosexuality as bad for spiritual development, then why was muhammad - allegedly one that was VERY spiritually evolved - having sex with a child?

Some muslims argue that she would have been through her puberty already, therefore menstruating and all of that and being ready for sex. But she was still young, right?

I'm not in the mood for derailing this thread with copy/paste of quran verses right now (and this thread was originally about the bible) so i'll leave it at that. :)

If you only knew Muhammad...

Muhammad did not have sex with a child. We don't wanna display all his positive attributes here. Because, he hid them well for a reason. You are free to believe whatever you wanna believe of course.

Love&Peace

islamvslizards
07-04-2010, 12:26 PM
^ as mentioned numerous times. more reliable hadiths than the ones everyone knows state that aisha was at least 16-18 when married, and the marriage was consumated about a year later.

point noted about hiding the prophets positive attributes. isnt there a line from the bible that states along the lines of "do not throw your pearls in front of the pigs"?

michael christopher
07-04-2010, 10:45 PM
But in that sense, the word "natural" would lose its meaning since everything would be natural, since we live in the nature.

The best thing is to say, it is a fact that it exists within people and then you guys may debate if it is right or wrong. But in order to do that you have to define what is right. If you take it as something beneficial, then you have to define what is beneficial...

For that reason, we would say, for spiritual development it is wrong. It is also the reason of destruction of a whole society (according to Quran). So, it is not just bad (according to Quran and our knowledge of God).

Love&Peace

What a joke. It's wrong for "spiritual development" why? Because you fail to understand it? You have no idea what you're talking about. You're a brainwashed, prejudiced asshole if you really believe homosexuals are living an "unnatural" or "immoral" lifestyle. Homosexuality is ENTIRELY natural. Look at it occurring in the animal kingdom. If you want to tread out the ridiculous argument that gays are more susceptible to mental illness, I'll point the finger at people like you for that. Your endless persecution and judgment of homosexuals creates in them a self-fulfilling prophecy, just like it does within any and all stigmatized groups. You fucking fascists make me want to throw up. You think you're so moral and righteous and "of the light" when all you do is sit around and talk out of your asses about who should be doing what. Live your own fucking lives. That's what God would demand of you.

And I'm sorry, you are the one redefining the word natural, not I. Natural means occurring in nature. And you're right. No such thing as unnatural exists. It is a word used to brainwash people and make them think things are happening which aren't right, when in fact everything that happens IS right and IS natural and works itself out in the end without the judgment of hypocritical, self-righteous douchebags like the religious idiots responding to this thread to attack homosexuals.

Hey, fools, here's a clue: keep fighting it, it will only grow stronger with the more energy you devote to the subject. The more you attack homosexuals, the more homosexuals and homosexual sympathizers there will be. I'm more than happy to let nature take it's course. Unlike the people I'm currently bitching about.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and a guy who worships Allah is telling me that I'm living a "spiritually unhealthy" lifestyle? That's a compliment. Anyone who practices any Abrahamic religion is on the path to death, and I'm glad to be heading in the opposite direction.

vril
08-04-2010, 12:08 AM
But in that sense, the word "natural" would lose its meaning since everything would be natural, since we live in the nature.

The best thing is to say, it is a fact that it exists within people and then you guys may debate if it is right or wrong. But in order to do that you have to define what is right. If you take it as something beneficial, then you have to define what is beneficial...

For that reason, we would say, for spiritual development it is wrong. It is also the reason of destruction of a whole society (according to Quran). So, it is not just bad (according to Quran and our knowledge of God).

Love&Peace

Why do you think it is "wrong" for spiritual development? Is it not possible to live a spiritually fulfilling life (i.e.; gaining wisdom through experience and striving to better oneself as a human being) while also being gay?

How on Earth would one's sexuality be detrimental to these things? :confused:

elirien
08-04-2010, 12:26 AM
Why do you think it is "wrong" for spiritual development? Is it not possible to live a spiritually fulfilling life (i.e.; gaining wisdom through experience and striving to better oneself as a human being) while also being gay?

How on Earth would one's sexuality be detrimental to these things? :confused:

Let's look at this from point A to point B. point A being the singular animal level called physical body and point B the subtle body(ies).

On point A, on the physical body level homosexuality is quite pointless since it doesn't further the species and is purely ego driven. It's quite obvious. Sperm can't affect sperm. Fairly cut and dry. Also the human bodies don't seem to be compatible in that way.

On point B, the spiritual level, the point is to return to oneness, a.k.a. bringing feminine energy and masculine energy together to form and fuel the subtle bodies. On this level it is pointless as well since same energies on this duality plane don't attract each other.

We don't see homosexuality as immoral or bad or anything. We see it as boring and pointless. It's imho another "flat earth". Mind you that sexuality in general is a function and not what or who you are completely, as such it shouldn't be confused with love. Love encompasses it but is far far greater.

Bless you.

michael christopher
08-04-2010, 12:36 AM
Let's look at this from point A to point B. point A being the singular animal level called physical body and point B the subtle body(ies).

On point A, on the physical body level homosexuality is quite pointless since it doesn't further the species and is purely ego driven. It's quite obvious. Sperm can't affect sperm. Fairly cut and dry. Also the human bodies don't seem to be compatible in that way.

What an incredibly simplistic point of view. It's pointless because there is no chemical reaction? What are you talking about? Have you ever been in love with a person of the same gender? Have you ever become a better person because you loved someone of the same gender. I have. But according to you, all of my relationships have been pointless, because it's only "sperm not affecting sperm." You can't think outside of your own body. Everything is physical to you. The spirit plays no part in love, apparently.

On point B, the spiritual level, the point is to return to oneness, a.k.a. bringing feminine energy and masculine energy together to form and fuel the subtle bodies. On this level it is pointless as well since same energies on this duality plane don't attract each other.

You don't know what you're talking about. You are simply assuming feminine energy cannot reside in a male. You talk about feminine and masculine energy like there are definitive ideas of what it is. There is no purely feminine or purely masculine energy, there are only energies that happen to complement each other. Your entire premise is based on bullshit. You are just trying to convince yourself that your hatred is logical when it's not. And don't say you don't hate gays. You clearly think you're above them and there's not much of a difference.

We don't see homosexuality as immoral or bad or anything. We see it as boring and pointless. It's imho another "flat earth". Mind you that sexuality in general is a function and not what or who you are completely, as such it shouldn't be confused with love. Love encompasses it but is far far greater.[/
Bless you.

Oh, thank God, your opinion must be correct because homosexuality is, per your perspective, "boring and pointless." And yet you call homosexuality ego-driven. What a joke that you can call anything ego-driven when the only evidence you offer forward for placing yourself above gays is YOUR OWN OPINION. What a hypocrite. You don't know anything about love. You've clearly never experienced it enough to know that the body has nothing to do with it.

More false light bullshit from false light-sider fascists.

ufochick
08-04-2010, 03:05 AM
marriage is simply a bit of paper... nothing more....

In the US it is a bit more. It means that you will receive certain gov benefits if you have been married over 10 years. My mother divorced one day before 10 years were up it cost her 1100 dollars a month. As a non-working spouse I will receive 1/2 of his retirment benefits (he will receive the full amount). So there are legal reason to be married. I suppose if one is independently wealthy it doesn't matter.

thereisonlywe
08-04-2010, 07:36 AM
What a joke. It's wrong for "spiritual development" why? Because you fail to understand it? You have no idea what you're talking about. You're a brainwashed, prejudiced asshole if you really believe homosexuals are living an "unnatural" or "immoral" lifestyle. Homosexuality is ENTIRELY natural. Look at it occurring in the animal kingdom. If you want to tread out the ridiculous argument that gays are more susceptible to mental illness, I'll point the finger at people like you for that. Your endless persecution and judgment of homosexuals creates in them a self-fulfilling prophecy, just like it does within any and all stigmatized groups. You fucking fascists make me want to throw up. You think you're so moral and righteous and "of the light" when all you do is sit around and talk out of your asses about who should be doing what. Live your own fucking lives. That's what God would demand of you.

And I'm sorry, you are the one redefining the word natural, not I. Natural means occurring in nature. And you're right. No such thing as unnatural exists. It is a word used to brainwash people and make them think things are happening which aren't right, when in fact everything that happens IS right and IS natural and works itself out in the end without the judgment of hypocritical, self-righteous douchebags like the religious idiots responding to this thread to attack homosexuals.

Hey, fools, here's a clue: keep fighting it, it will only grow stronger with the more energy you devote to the subject. The more you attack homosexuals, the more homosexuals and homosexual sympathizers there will be. I'm more than happy to let nature take it's course. Unlike the people I'm currently bitching about.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and a guy who worships Allah is telling me that I'm living a "spiritually unhealthy" lifestyle? That's a compliment. Anyone who practices any Abrahamic religion is on the path to death, and I'm glad to be heading in the opposite direction.

Hatred? No. We just display the facts and let people do whatever they want to do.

It is also bad to lie, it is also bad to speak behind people, it is also bad to do mockery. We only add homosexuality to this chain. If you don't know why homosexuality is in that chain, then don't link it with our hatred. Prejudice will do you no good. You are raging over people who have prejudice, yet you are doing the same yourself.

Love&Peace

thirdwave
08-04-2010, 10:03 AM
In the US it is a bit more. It means that you will receive certain gov benefits if you have been married over 10 years. My mother divorced one day before 10 years were up it cost her 1100 dollars a month. As a non-working spouse I will receive 1/2 of his retirment benefits (he will receive the full amount). So there are legal reason to be married. I suppose if one is independently wealthy it doesn't matter.

O yes, but marriage is just a bit of paper, the fact that the government encourage you to do it by giving you benefits does not change the facts it a bit of paper that has 0 to do with love or anything close.

thereisonlywe
08-04-2010, 10:54 AM
O yes, but marriage is just a bit of paper, the fact that the government encourage you to do it by giving you benefits does not change the facts it a bit of paper that has 0 to do with love or anything close.

+1

Love&Peace

tostada
08-04-2010, 11:44 AM
On point A, on the physical body level homosexuality is quite pointless since it doesn't further the species and is purely ego driven. It's quite obvious. Sperm can't affect sperm. Fairly cut and dry. Also the human bodies don't seem to be compatible in that way.

Exclusive homosexuality doesn't further the species genetically but it can in other ways. Homosexuals can add to human progress just like anyone else. If you are of a spiritual mindset then certainly you know that we are here to do more than just reproduce. Perhaps nature never intended for the exclusive homosexual to reproduce (which explains the small number) but nevertheless their unique experience adds to the collective human experience. Humans are here to play many roles you know.

Love is Love.


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elirien
08-04-2010, 08:22 PM
Exclusive homosexuality doesn't further the species genetically but it can in other ways. Homosexuals can add to human progress just like anyone else. If you are of a spiritual mindset then certainly you know that we are here to do more than just reproduce. Perhaps nature never intended for the exclusive homosexual to reproduce (which explains the small number) but nevertheless their unique experience adds to the collective human experience. Humans are here to play many roles you know.

Love is Love.


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If they can then on what measurement are you talking about that progresses?

What is a spiritual mindset?

Love is from self to self it is not from body to body.

Bless you.

elirien
08-04-2010, 08:28 PM
What an incredibly simplistic point of view. It's pointless because there is no chemical reaction? What are you talking about? Have you ever been in love with a person of the same gender? Have you ever become a better person because you loved someone of the same gender. I have. But according to you, all of my relationships have been pointless, because it's only "sperm not affecting sperm." You can't think outside of your own body. Everything is physical to you. The spirit plays no part in love, apparently.

Was that paragraph that hard to read? It was about the physical implication. We don't know how you label your experience and frankly why should anybody?

You don't know what you're talking about. You are simply assuming feminine energy cannot reside in a male. You talk about feminine and masculine energy like there are definitive ideas of what it is. There is no purely feminine or purely masculine energy, there are only energies that happen to complement each other. Your entire premise is based on bullshit. You are just trying to convince yourself that your hatred is logical when it's not. And don't say you don't hate gays. You clearly think you're above them and there's not much of a difference.

LOL. Ok boss :D Thank you for your understanding and unconditional love.

Oh, thank God, your opinion must be correct because homosexuality is, per your perspective, "boring and pointless." And yet you call homosexuality ego-driven. What a joke that you can call anything ego-driven when the only evidence you offer forward for placing yourself above gays is YOUR OWN OPINION. What a hypocrite. You don't know anything about love. You've clearly never experienced it enough to know that the body has nothing to do with it.

More false light bullshit from false light-sider fascists.

Bless your heart. :D

alexc
08-04-2010, 09:16 PM
Exclusive homosexuality doesn't further the species genetically but it can in other ways. Homosexuals can add to human progress just like anyone else. If you are of a spiritual mindset then certainly you know that we are here to do more than just reproduce. Perhaps nature never intended for the exclusive homosexual to reproduce (which explains the small number) but nevertheless their unique experience adds to the collective human experience. Humans are here to play many roles you know.

Love is Love.
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You think so, huh?

Doom Town (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0273/0273_01.asp)

tostada
08-04-2010, 11:27 PM
If they can then on what measurement are you talking about that progresses?

People can contribute in many ways. Even hetero couples that choose not to have children are sometimes seen as selfish. But they can still contribute in some other way.


Love is from self to self it is not from body to body.

Why is it impossible to believe that homosexual relationships aren't just about sex?




You think so, huh?

Doom Town (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0273/0273_01.asp)

Seriously, chick tracks? Talk about serious biblical scholarship. I hope you're joking.

michael christopher
09-04-2010, 12:01 AM
Exclusive homosexuality doesn't further the species genetically but it can in other ways. Homosexuals can add to human progress just like anyone else. If you are of a spiritual mindset then certainly you know that we are here to do more than just reproduce. Perhaps nature never intended for the exclusive homosexual to reproduce (which explains the small number) but nevertheless their unique experience adds to the collective human experience. Humans are here to play many roles you know.

Love is Love.


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I would argue that it substantially benefits the genetic progress of our species. A more enlightened society creates more enlightened people. Furthermore, although some people seem to be entirely clueless about it, homosexuals are still able to have children biologically. Just because a relationship isn't "traditional" does not make that relationship negative. A smarter society will have smarter children. It's very simple.

But if a bunch of neophobic idiots keep having children and brainwashing them into being afraid of the future, the future is going to be something to be afraid of.

elirien
09-04-2010, 11:29 PM
People can contribute in many ways. Even hetero couples that choose not to have children are sometimes seen as selfish. But they can still contribute in some other way.

How can they contribute in the development of the species?


Why is it impossible to believe that homosexual relationships aren't just about sex?

What are they about then?

How do you define sex?

joe911
10-04-2010, 11:19 AM
How can they contribute in the development of the species?
The list would be endless. :)

What are they about then?
Love.

How do you define sex?

I assume you mean sexual intercourse [including foreplay etc..]? I don't really understand why you bolded sexual and sex :confused:

elirien
12-04-2010, 11:33 AM
The list would be endless. :)

Give one example. Mind you we are speaking under the confines of the species.


Love.

This is a TV misconception that sex is love, not that we are saying that it isn't. Sex is an expression of love but only one and when we are talking in dual terms here we have to call "a spade a spade". Homosexuality as is inherent in the terminology is about sex not about love. That would be like saying a capacitor is about film editing. Love is the same when it is from a mother to a son. Now in a healthy family they don't have sex. Does it lessen the love one bit? In TV terms even these would be split as "oh that is different". Love is always one although it expresses very very variantly in a plane of duality. The heart is a testimony to that.



I assume you mean sexual intercourse [including foreplay etc..]? I don't really understand why you bolded sexual and sex :confused:

We hope you understand now. We asked you about what you understand of the term so we could address what you are understanding and your conception of the topic so to be clear what you are talking about.

jrhartley3165
12-04-2010, 12:02 PM
[QUOTE=elirien;1058796898]Give one example. Mind you we are speaking under the confines of the species.


The human male is, as far as i'm aware, the only male of any species to have nipples. Somewhere along the line we ALL acquired an aspect of femininity.
It might also be noted that , in the care of children, we (males) are more considerate and take more of an interest than the other high primates.
Given that we all have this feminine aspect, homosexuality may just be one manifestation of it, more prevalent in some than in others, to use an unfortunate term from statistics, standard deviation,

As to the the religions, people have no control over their sexuality. If there is fault, would it not therefore lie at the feet of that which created the possibility ? But there is no fault and the world is a better place for it, and even those who find it abhorrent (due to projecton, insecurity etc) will find their self control benefits from the exercise of tolerance and non-judgementality.

elirien
12-04-2010, 12:19 PM
[QUOTE=elirien;1058796898]Give one example. Mind you we are speaking under the confines of the species.


The human male is, as far as i'm aware, the only male of any species to have nipples. Somewhere along the line we ALL acquired an aspect of femininity.
It might also be noted that , in the care of children, we (males) are more considerate and take more of an interest than the other high primates.
Given that we all have this feminine aspect, homosexuality may just be one manifestation of it, more prevalent in some than in others, to use an unfortunate term from statistics, standard deviation,

As to the the religions, people have no control over their sexuality. If there is fault, would it not therefore lie at the feet of that which created the possibility ? But there is no fault and the world is a better place for it, and even those who find it abhorrent (due to projecton, insecurity etc) will find their self control benefits from the exercise of tolerance and non-judgementality.

We believe quite in the same thing in many aspects but from different standpoints. We didn't acquire (as in a male vessel) a feminine aspect, we as we are are genderless as such have both energy streams. Although we have both energy streams we have them unbalanced and as such manifested the dominant one as a vessel dominant in which energy polarity we are. As such "salvation" or rather balance lies in balancing this out by means which manifest in duality as many things which sexual expression is one of them.

We don't try to convince anyone with the phrase "people have no power over x...". Even though it rings true it isn't in an absolute sense. You as an individuation are not a product of coincidence and as such have full power and responsibility over what you are doing and by proper perspective have the right to look at everything how it is and not how one would like it is due to ones identification with something (body, personality etc.). This is no abhorence or condoning of anything. We have read many books on oneness and spirituality that see homosexuality also as a vessel for expansion of consciousness but we can't understand how a manifest example of two energy streams of the same polarity could do any good to operation in duality for the mind. Above the layer or veil of the vessel there is no sexuality or gender anyway so it is not a question of love or hate.

It is also not a question of right or wrong but why and how. There is no right and wrong in an absolute sense. If you fill a glass of water with a water pitcher or if you pour water over a upside down glass it is not a question of right and wrong. It is a question of "what are you doing" with no polar connotation. When you answer "what are you doing" you have a standpoint that could judge the way to do it or not. Even in that there is no right and wrong but if you wan't to do it or debate if you wan't to do it.

Thank you and bless you. This smells of potential for heartful ranting :D

loveisthelaw
12-04-2010, 01:19 PM
No problem with that.

But you know the Koran is against homos yet many Muslim men are gay or bi sexual. And you heard about gay Bikers for Christ. :D

A Muslim can't be gay, it is an oxymoron.

However a gay person can become Muslim.

This would require the greater jihad against their homosexual desires and I pray God reward greatly, and then tenfold more, any man who forsakes his own desires simply for the pleasure of God.

joe911
12-04-2010, 06:07 PM
Give one example. Mind you we are speaking under the confines of the species.

The first example that comes to mind would be someone who used their time and money to help people in developing countries,by building houses, schools and hospitals. Providing clean water,good food and decent medical care. These actions would improve the quality and quantity of others lives,allowing the development of the species.

This is a TV misconception that sex is love, not that we are saying that it isn't. Sex is an expression of love but only one and when we are talking in dual terms here we have to call "a spade a spade". Homosexuality as is inherent in the terminology is about sex not about love. That would be like saying a capacitor is about film editing. Love is the same when it is from a mother to a son. Now in a healthy family they don't have sex. Does it lessen the love one bit? In TV terms even these would be split as "oh that is different". Love is always one although it expresses very very variantly in a plane of duality. The heart is a testimony to that.

We hope you understand now. We asked you about what you understand of the term so we could address what you are understanding and your conception of the topic so to be clear what you are talking about.

Homosexuality isn't just about sex. Just because you define it that way,doesn't make it true. I love my partner. I don't have to have sex with my partner to prove that love. The bond we have is indescribable, and regardless of what anyone may think,we're happy and we do love eachother. You used the phrase 'Now, in a Healthy Family'. Familes can be however one defines family. My family,being me and my partner,is a healthy family,beleive it or not. :)

elirien
12-04-2010, 06:19 PM
The first example that comes to mind would be someone who used their time and money to help people in developing countries,by building houses, schools and hospitals. Providing clean water,good food and decent medical care. These actions would improve the quality and quantity of others lives,allowing the development of the species.

Yes but what has that to do with the sexual behavior of a specie and how does that sexual preference improve the specie? What you described is natural behavior performed under unnatural circumstances.


Homosexuality isn't just about sex.

Why is it called homosexuality then ?

joe911
12-04-2010, 06:28 PM
Yes but what has that to do with the sexual behavior of a specie and how does that sexual preference improve the specie? What you described is natural behavior performed under unnatural circumstances.
I dont see how peoples sexual behavior comes into it. You asked for an example of a scenario where homosexuals or childless hetrosexuals can contribute to the development of the species,and I provided one.


Why is it called homosexuality then ?

:confused: It came from the greek word homo,meaning same. Using your logic,is hetrosexuality is all about sex too? :confused:

kollaps
12-04-2010, 06:56 PM
I see how all of you debate on what improves the quality of a species etc etc.
The thing is: You cannot say that man is part of any 'species'. That is like comparing us to mere animals or plants.

We are made by God, with body and soul, with liberties and rules.
The soul is the 'bread crumb' of eternity that every one of us has, while the body is a simple shell that supports us in this life.

Whenever we give into carnal pleasures, we desecrate the holy temple that is our God-given body. Each part of us is given for a certain purpose. Our hands so we can grab, manipulate and interact with the environment, our legs so we can walk, our eyes so we can see...

... Our sexual organs so we can reproduce. That is it! That is their function, nothing else. When God created the world, he deemed what is natural and what is unnatural.

Having sex is a sin, masturbation is a sin, self-mutilation for pleasure is a sin, sex change is a sin, everything done to degrade our body is a sin.
Homosexuality is the main reason God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. But imagine how many Sodoms and how many Gomorrahs we have today: hundreds. Imagine New York with all its gay parades and how many people have perverted sex (not just simple fornication) in it.

You may ask what unnatural means. Imagine having your legs and arms removed and having them reattached so that your legs will be your arms and vice versa. That is unnatural!
That is the same thing (or maybe even worse) than homosexuality or sex change.

If you spend your life pleasing your body, your soul suffers, withers and dies and you will sent to Hell for it!
But if you live virtuously and impose certain limitations upon your earthly life, then your soul will flourish and you will be greatly rewarded for all the hard work.

I hope this helps you people understand the seriousness of homosexuality and fornication.

elirien
12-04-2010, 07:52 PM
I dont see how peoples sexual behavior comes into it. You asked for an example of a scenario where homosexuals or childless hetrosexuals can contribute to the development of the species,and I provided one.

We didn't ask for any scenario. We asked for an example "how can they contribute to the species". That would of course involve the act and its energetical and as such mass consciousness connotations, not a scenario on casual behavior.


:confused: It came from the greek word homo,meaning same. Using your logic,is hetrosexuality is all about sex too? :confused:

Yes but where does the "sexual" come from? :D
Isn't heterosexuality about sex? Have we missed a meeting?

michael christopher
12-04-2010, 07:57 PM
Whenever we give into carnal pleasures, we desecrate the holy temple that is our God-given body. Each part of us is given for a certain purpose. Our hands so we can grab, manipulate and interact with the environment, our legs so we can walk, our eyes so we can see...

Prove it. Prove that the penis is only made for penetrating a vagina. Prove that hands are only made to grasp things (and not to pleasure other human beings). Prove that mouths are only made for inserting food. I mean, why should people kiss? Seems self-evident the point of a mouth is to put food into. Kissing must be desecrating God's holy temple.

Your entire argument is BASED ON YOUR ASSUMPTION. This is why you ignorant people are treated with no respect. Because you don't deserve any. You go around pushing your hateful assumptions down the throats of everyone else and pretending to be better for it. But really, everything you believe is based on NOTHING but your own assumption. That's why you are a joke.

emerald
12-04-2010, 08:22 PM
I see how all of you debate on what improves the quality of a species etc etc.
The thing is: You cannot say that man is part of any 'species'. That is like comparing us to mere animals or plants.

We are made by God, with body and soul, with liberties and rules.
The soul is the 'bread crumb' of eternity that every one of us has, while the body is a simple shell that supports us in this life.

Whenever we give into carnal pleasures, we desecrate the holy temple that is our God-given body. Each part of us is given for a certain purpose. Our hands so we can grab, manipulate and interact with the environment, our legs so we can walk, our eyes so we can see...

... Our sexual organs so we can reproduce. That is it! That is their function, nothing else. When God created the world, he deemed what is natural and what is unnatural.

Having sex is a sin, masturbation is a sin, self-mutilation for pleasure is a sin, sex change is a sin, everything done to degrade our body is a sin.
Homosexuality is the main reason God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. But imagine how many Sodoms and how many Gomorrahs we have today: hundreds. Imagine New York with all its gay parades and how many people have perverted sex (not just simple fornication) in it.

You may ask what unnatural means. Imagine having your legs and arms removed and having them reattached so that your legs will be your arms and vice versa. That is unnatural!
That is the same thing (or maybe even worse) than homosexuality or sex change.

If you spend your life pleasing your body, your soul suffers, withers and dies and you will sent to Hell for it!
But if you live virtuously and impose certain limitations upon your earthly life, then your soul will flourish and you will be greatly rewarded for all the hard work.

I hope this helps you people understand the seriousness of homosexuality and fornication.

Unbelievable stupidity! Go to fucking hell, as michael_christopher said, u deserve no respect! Brainwash is well at work. Have u ever had an orgasm btw?

clachan
12-04-2010, 08:24 PM
Prove it. Prove that the penis is only made for penetrating a vagina. Prove that hands are only made to grasp things (and not to pleasure other human beings). Prove that mouths are only made for inserting food. I mean, why should people kiss? Seems self-evident the point of a mouth is to put food into. Kissing must be desecrating God's holy temple.

Your entire argument is BASED ON YOUR ASSUMPTION. This is why you ignorant people are treated with no respect. Because you don't deserve any. You go around pushing your hateful assumptions down the throats of everyone else and pretending to be better for it. But really, everything you believe is based on NOTHING but your own assumption. That's why you are a joke.

Its much easier to prove that you bum is for doing a poo.
For a start a bum has no reproductive purpose at all,quite the opposite in fact.
Its for discharging the bi product of digestion and nothing else.
Each time you put your winkle up someones bum you risk catching a large number of horrid infections,thats because its un natural.

kollaps
12-04-2010, 08:27 PM
Prove it. Prove that the penis is only made for penetrating a vagina. Prove that hands are only made to grasp things (and not to pleasure other human beings). Prove that mouths are only made for inserting food. I mean, why should people kiss? Seems self-evident the point of a mouth is to put food into. Kissing must be desecrating God's holy temple.

Your entire argument is BASED ON YOUR ASSUMPTION. This is why you ignorant people are treated with no respect. Because you don't deserve any. You go around pushing your hateful assumptions down the throats of everyone else and pretending to be better for it. But really, everything you believe is based on NOTHING but your own assumption. That's why you are a joke.

I need not prove anything because I know it is true. The proof is right in front of you and it is called the Holy Scripture, or simply the Bible.

You are sorely mistaken if you call Christian people ignorant. Have you ever experienced a miracle? Have you ever searched for the holy remains of saints that never rot? Or the myrrh-giving icons?

I am sorry, but until you actually visit these miracles you cannot accuse Christianity of being fake.
It is you who are ignorant, because the truth is right in front of you. The truth exists and is out there and you are ignoring it.

It is right in front of you:
ORTHODOX MIRACLES - YouTube

You do not have to take them for granted. Visit them, convince yourself!

michael christopher
12-04-2010, 09:02 PM
I need not prove anything because I know it is true. The proof is right in front of you and it is called the Holy Scripture, or simply the Bible.

Oh, that explains your socially retarded mindset pretty explicitly. Guess I have nothing else to say on the matter.

cinder_darkskys
12-04-2010, 09:21 PM
Healthy In Paranoid Times

Homosexuality,Fornication, in the bible...

In those times There was no medical industery, there were no doctors. And the one that practice medical proceeger, were looked at as mad men, who were messing with dead bodies.And on a living bodies, who had medical kind of doctors, Witch doctors realy. Would use brass or copper as tools.

< ether matterial would cause masive infection, we see this to day in egypt, of the passed, where kings had peice of there Skull removed, and some advance surgory can me found, in the passed.

So back then, where the streets are filed with filth of sewage and garbage wer just dumped in an ally. which almost never see light, creating a huge biological zone, a visitor not of this world, would find it hard to fight such plages.

I read a man from Africa said ; africa Homosexuality do not normaly penatrate each other, much of Africa is technological, but more is none tech, believe in the Clean Kill of the Hunt, and the greator sprite
Sodemy is a sin agaist God smiple as that. So penatration would be unlikely, the bible come from africa, Jews started out Blackman, the oldest Jews on the planet most likely in NW Africa.

Now I dont live in that Fracking time, I live in this time, and in this time we have things like a stat system. Where we can see pattern.

in this time we have very advance science, there is not alot we can not do.
I refur to a movie called, Caligula, Wow this movie was watch edited for TV in canada, almost over night when it came out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula_(movie)

These guys learn there ways of leadership from passed generations, and this why Kings when agaist Gods in the 1st place. So they could all have there little sodom and gomora.

But if the general public started this kind of thing, there be plage. in the movie See what happen to these kings. Its the same for every peaples of the Earth of the times, In the movie 300 we see this smiplifed. The sins of Kings.

As a Christan I have been called. Its exceptable, but not right.

I feel God dose not say, a man and a men can't love each other, or a Women and a Women cant love each other. What it says, in my oppinion is there will never be a day when Sodem will be HOLY.

So they can not be married in a House of God. If you aply this to male Homosexuality you have to aply this to the female =.

So they need a Judge, not a preist.

Homosexuality and worship of God, your wellcome to come in and Worship the Good lord, Who gave you the diverity, and the choise to be your self.

The Lord your God in the passed say be fruitfull and mulitply, PASSED, days gone by, A history writen the blood of the Kings, rapping the Earth. All nations.

We see this in the The Unholy Lands to day, as greed and weapons are the only call of the day, well they cant feed there peaple. So reducing the population of the weekest minds easly perverted. As they are so well programed, do to the squller in which they build for them selfs. The whole time weeping call out to God save us, here is my child I put there IDOL in hand < WEAPON) Drinking there own children blood, drunk from it. then they go and worship God.

Homosexuality,Fornication, in the bible, Means nothing next to this.
Nothing

I been doing alot questioning my self, the passed weeks.

I hope this helps it just and oppinion.
sorry for my typeo's

PeaceLovesAll

clachan
12-04-2010, 09:26 PM
Oh, that explains your socially retarded mindset pretty explicitly. Guess I have nothing else to say on the matter.

LOL !

What is botty sex if it isn,t retarded ??

michael christopher
12-04-2010, 09:34 PM
I feel God dose not say, a man and a men can't love each other, or a Women and a Women cant love each other. What it says, in my oppinion is there will never be a day when Sodem will be HOLY.

It's SO FUNNY to see you say things like this, because you are just revealing the disgusting darkness that is festering in the center of your brain.

"God isn't saying that two people of the same gender can't share in true love, he is just saying it's not right!"

How fucking absurd. Your argument is offensive to it's very core. It says "Fuck logic, fuck facts, GOD DOESN'T LIKE IT AND THERE NEEDS TO BE NO FURTHER EXPLANATION." If you believe this argument, then you pay homage to Satan/demonic forces/evil whatever you want to call it, because you're on your knees kissing the feet of Irrationality.

enkicongregation
13-04-2010, 01:37 AM
Ok, IMO homosexuality is compleatly harmless, does not hurt anyone and love can still be expressed with two Gay partners.... also I don't think there is anything wrong with sex before marriage .... In fact I am not even sure why marriage must take part as love is not labelled by a ceremony it is simply an emotion.


So are there any Christians here who believe it is ok to be a homosexual or to have sex before marriage....?

As far as I can tell the bible clearly opposes them both, So what are the views of a Christian who thinks it is ok

?

The Bible opposes sexual freedom because it is a product of Yahweh-influenced scribes. It is a book of slavery-inducing lies.

torus
13-04-2010, 01:45 AM
[QUOTE=snoopsnuffleopagus;624507]

King Shlomo/Solomon overdid it: 700 wives; 1,500 Concubines. lol
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SHLOMO-PHOBE!!!!!:eek:

tannah
13-04-2010, 02:27 AM
LOL !

What is botty sex if it isn,t retarded ??

You never had anal sex with your partner, laid back for a sloppy BJ, then kiss your partner passionately after she or he has got you to shoot your load all over them?

Do you only have sex when its time for a baby?

I don't think Sodom and Gomorrah ever happened. And homosexual people contribute very good things in life. Careful bible freaksters you may have art and books in your home that was created by homosexuals.

Shouldn't some of you be repairing your own miserable sexual problems?
And why not mind your own friggin business about other's sexual orientation?

ben87
13-04-2010, 07:28 AM
The church used to tell the templar to have sex with each other.

Now they tell the priests to have sex with kids.

The book interpreting how YOU should live was written by men who engaged in pederasty so i guess nothing much has changed.

So basically you are being told by gays to not be gay because being gay is wrong(only if your not a priest).

elirien
13-04-2010, 11:17 AM
You never had anal sex with your partner, laid back for a sloppy BJ, then kiss your partner passionately after she or he has got you to shoot your load all over them?

Do you only have sex when its time for a baby?

I don't think Sodom and Gomorrah ever happened. And homosexual people contribute very good things in life. Careful bible freaksters you may have art and books in your home that was created by homosexuals.

Shouldn't some of you be repairing your own miserable sexual problems?
And why not mind your own friggin business about other's sexual orientation?

Because there is no "your sexual problems" or "my sexual problems". Certain behavior is ritualistic if one decides "that is just the way it is" doesn't change that fact. As such it has immediate circumstance both for the individuation and other individuations in close proximity of the energy field.

It is quite scientific as we have discovered in another topic the one about abstinence. You could have a look at it.

Creating an idol out of bodily behavior is not the issue here (a.k.a. "That is how I do it"). Also it definitely amazes me every time how most of "truth seekers" buy into "bible freaks" mentality. You don't have to be a "bible freak" to behave like one.

transient
13-04-2010, 12:16 PM
aha..... so, the synopsis is - homosexuality is wrong because the bible says so.

great logic - glad we got all that cleared up.

NOW... who's going to offer to 'cure' me?

tannah
13-04-2010, 12:28 PM
Because there is no "your sexual problems" or "my sexual problems". Certain behavior is ritualistic if one decides "that is just the way it is" doesn't change that fact. As such it has immediate circumstance both for the individuation and other individuations in close proximity of the energy field.

It is quite scientific as we have discovered in another topic the one about abstinence. You could have a look at it.

Creating an idol out of bodily behavior is not the issue here (a.k.a. "That is how I do it"). Also it definitely amazes me every time how most of "truth seekers" buy into "bible freaks" mentality. You don't have to be a "bible freak" to behave like one.

When I realized I no longer wished to incarnate on this particular plain, I was also slowly given the insights that it meant not having children and eventually laying down the sexual attachment. This was when I was 20. And I admit that in those days I thought homosexuality was wrong. But nowadays it's clear that everyone is in the same boat sexually, and we all need to work out the same thing..

So yes Mr and Mrs, Mr and Mr, Mrs and Mrs, when you're tired of this plain you'll have live your last life abstaining from various things, and ego will kick you off this plain as if you were a drunkard in a bar.

in a plain that functions on sex one really should learn to mind their own, and stop pretending they have Allah or Jehovah on their side. They don't, only ego supports the kind of judgmental beings with horns on their heart.

thirdwave
13-04-2010, 01:00 PM
I tell you what, anyone wants to find out just how many gays there are about, if you have an iPhone download a program called "Grindr".

It is for Gay men to track each other down..

My brother actually had a mess about with it, with his friend, they were looking at it and there was a guy with a beard there... (the program tells you how far they are... 20 miles.... 20 feet.... so on...)

This guy had 0.

So my bro was like ..hu? ..where?, His mate was in hysterics and pointed behind my brother and there was Mr Beard :)

quite a moment...

Point being that everywhere you go and use this software there are gay people all over the place.... more so that people think...

So those who oppose them might find they have allot of people to oppose.

Good luck! :)

elirien
13-04-2010, 01:30 PM
When I realized I no longer wished to incarnate on this particular plain, I was also slowly given the insights that it meant not having children and eventually laying down the sexual attachment. This was when I was 20. And I admit that in those days I thought homosexuality was wrong. But nowadays it's clear that everyone is in the same boat sexually, and we all need to work out the same thing..

So yes Mr and Mrs, Mr and Mr, Mrs and Mrs, when you're tired of this plain you'll have live your last life abstaining from various things, and ego will kick you off this plain as if you were a drunkard in a bar.

in a plain that functions on sex one really should learn to mind their own, and stop pretending they have Allah or Jehovah on their side. They don't, only ego supports the kind of judgmental beings with horns on their heart.

Yes but the ego is the drunkard and all of "this is right, this is wrong" is the bar. "You" don't have to have anything on "your" side if there is no "you" and as such no side. What does this mean in this context a.k.a. sexual preference.

Certain behavior as such movement has certain implications and there is as much detail in it as there are dimensions. In "spiritual terms" what you do with your energy a.k.a. kundalini has certain effects. Now some "I"s don't like that according to their subjective agenda which is fine because "I this and that" are temporary.

So, in the end no one can boss anyone into doing anything anyway. There has to be some idea in the line of "I think bla bla bla and thus you should do that" which will be replied by "Yes, I think that too bla bla bla". Scrap the "I think" part and one will have "What the in the seven heavens is this and what is this I that everyone is blabbering about?".

Just think for a second about all the "I bla bla" about sex. Scrap it and see what is left. Be completely objective. Scrap also the "I'm going off this plane" and see what is left with sex. That "I" who "will go off this plane" will get quite drunk on heavy liquor mumbling "Shit. It didn't buy into that and left". :D

You inspire heartful ranting and we love you for that :D

Bless you and thank you.

loveisthelaw
13-04-2010, 01:31 PM
Because there is no "your sexual problems" or "my sexual problems". Certain behavior is ritualistic if one decides "that is just the way it is" doesn't change that fact. As such it has immediate circumstance both for the individuation and other individuations in close proximity of the energy field.

It is quite scientific as we have discovered in another topic the one about abstinence. You could have a look at it.

Creating an idol out of bodily behavior is not the issue here (a.k.a. "That is how I do it"). Also it definitely amazes me every time how most of "truth seekers" buy into "bible freaks" mentality. You don't have to be a "bible freak" to behave like one.

Good comment :)

Please forgive me but I just do not think homosexuality is the natural path for humans - for me, in "general" it is more akin to animalistic behaviour or sexual gratification, as this combination can never create offspring.

I do not believe all gay people are animalistic, or gay simply for sexual gratification - it is a very deep issue, and I believe it has to do with genetics, emotions and education. Not everyone chooses to be gay, some do, thos who do not, I believe have geneticly hard coded inclinations toward the same sex.

And I must state that some gay people, in fact, a lot, are very very kind, very very sweet and very very peaceful, more so than many heterosexuals.

Yet I do not agree with it, I hate homosexuality but I love homosexuals - they are human, just as I.

elirien
13-04-2010, 01:34 PM
Good comment :)

Good perspective :D

Thank you.

alexc
13-04-2010, 04:51 PM
aha..... so, the synopsis is - homosexuality is wrong because the bible says so.

great logic - glad we got all that cleared up.

It is pretty simple and easy to understand. I don't know why so many people have so much trouble warping their heads around the facts.

clachan
13-04-2010, 07:53 PM
You never had anal sex with your partner, laid back for a sloppy BJ, then kiss your partner passionately after she or he has got you to shoot your load all over them?

Do you only have sex when its time for a baby?

I don't think Sodom and Gomorrah ever happened. And homosexual people contribute very good things in life. Careful bible freaksters you may have art and books in your home that was created by homosexuals.

Shouldn't some of you be repairing your own miserable sexual problems?
And why not mind your own friggin business about other's sexual orientation?

No,never had anal sex with anyone,or performed anything that goes beyond the limits of healthy,clean and natural.
Thank God that i have no fettishes or perversions beyond what is considered normal standards of decency.

What others do is entirely their own business,if they want to eat their own shite or indulge in botty sex then they are free to do it.
But saying that it is sick and against the natural order is not really an opinion,its a fact.

tannah
13-04-2010, 07:59 PM
But saying that it is sick and against the natural order is not really an opinion,its a fact.

It's only sick to you and your perception of what natural order is. Either give up sex that doesn't make babies or don't make up "facts"that lead heterosexuals to write about how evil other people's lusts and needs are.

tannah
13-04-2010, 08:21 PM
Yes but the ego is the drunkard and all of "this is right, this is wrong" is the bar. "You" don't have to have anything on "your" side if there is no "you" and as such no side. What does this mean in this context a.k.a. sexual preference.

The perception of the "drunkard" comes from those in the bar.

What it means to me is that spirit is experiencing all manner of sexual preferences in this particular plain. And it all takes care of itself, in that there's no reason why a gay man may not give up sexual attachment before a man with three children and a wife does.

We should be concerned about pedophiles, not two mature consenting adults. We should be concerned about muggers beating up old folk, not two consenting boxers in a boxing ring.

we should should should gotta!


Certain behavior as such movement has certain implications and there is as much detail in it as there are dimensions. In "spiritual terms" what you do with your energy a.k.a. kundalini has certain effects.

I agree with this. And you may need to practice more grace when faced with something you yourself can't be. Others can be that thing, they can be gay. And whoever identifies with their sexual persona is in the same boat. There is nothing worse about being homosexual.


Now some "I"s don't like that according to their subjective agenda which is fine because "I this and that" are temporary.

Thank God.:D



So, in the end no one can boss anyone into doing anything anyway. There has to be some idea in the line of "I think bla bla bla and thus you should do that" which will be replied by "Yes, I think that too bla bla bla". Scrap the "I think" part and one will have "What the in the seven heavens is this and what is this I that everyone is blabbering about?".

Just think for a second about all the "I bla bla" about sex. Scrap it and see what is left. Be completely objective. Scrap also the "I'm going off this plane" and see what is left with sex. That "I" who "will go off this plane" will get quite drunk on heavy liquor mumbling "Shit. It didn't buy into that and left". :D

How many grains of sand? It isn't sex that has inspired me to pack my bags here.:D And it isn't really about here or there. Let's say I don't like the sound of billions of bed bugs screaming in agony as I lay in bed and think lofty thoughts.:eek:

You inspire heartful ranting and we love you for that :D

Yes, and it's wise to never believe a word one says to themselves.:D

clachan
13-04-2010, 08:46 PM
It's only sick to you and your perception of what natural order is. Either give up sex that doesn't make babies or don't make up "facts"that lead heterosexuals to write about how evil other people's lusts and needs are.

Natural order is not my perception,its natural order,just like a bee collects pollen from flowers and nothing else,natural order is a truth which is for all to see.
I didn,t invent natural order,but i know what it is,and i know what it is not.

Iam not a prude or lack sexual desire,but there is a line drawn in the sand between normal and abnormal.Botty sex,especially between men,is a perversion of a natural instinct....its that simple,and needs no further examination.

I do not know if it falls into the league of evil,that is not what Im saying.

tannah
13-04-2010, 08:51 PM
Natural order is not my perception,its natural order,just like a bee collects pollen from flowers and nothing else,natural order is a truth which is for all to see.
I didn,t invent natural order,but i know what it is,and i know what it is not.

Iam not a prude or lack sexual desire,but there is a line drawn in the sand between normal and abnormal.Botty sex,especially between men,is a perversion of a natural instinct....its that simple,and needs no further examination.

I do not know if it falls into the league of evil,that is not what Im saying.

There's species that use sex as a way of maintaining natural order in their communities. They're all at it.:)

Happy line drawing.

thereisonlywe
13-04-2010, 10:10 PM
There's species that use sex as a way of maintaining natural order in their communities. They're all at it.:)

Happy line drawing.

Well if we were one of those species, God would not advice us not to practice anal sex. He only advises what we can do

Love&Peace

michael christopher
13-04-2010, 10:44 PM
Well if we were one of those species, God would not advice us not to practice anal sex. He only advises what we can do

Love&Peace

Your "God" is simply what some jackass wrote in a thousand year old manuscript. You worship words out of a book and you have no way of confirming their truth, yet you push your dogma like it's been proven. That's pure evil. I hope you realize you're performing idolatry.

thirdwave
13-04-2010, 11:26 PM
No,never had anal sex with anyone,or performed anything that goes beyond the limits of healthy,clean and natural.
Thank God that i have no fettishes or perversions beyond what is considered normal standards of decency.


a kiss is not always clean... it depends on if that person is clean or not..

in fact "normal" sexual intercourse is not always clean, if the person is not clean.

And after sex one sweats, so should wash after anyway.

I don't recall gays or humans in general having anything toxic about them...

I find your comment about God behind responsible for you not having any fetishes interesting....

Does this mean those that do, have God to thank?.

They say many fetishes could be triggered from a young age..?
for example.. what may oppress you as a child might form into a fetish as you are older..

I have a little fetish for women's hands and i like it when i see painted nails.. I also recall when young seeing my mother paint her fingers and asked if i could paint a bit of her nail for her...

it was a warm and comforting thing as she was happy when doing it and I enjoyed being around her when she did it...

As a result if I am attracted to a woman her hands can be a turn on for me.. (one of many :) )

so the way you view fetishes as some punishment from god or will of Satan IMO is just so narrow minded...

Admittedly with bad up bringing perverted fetishes can be implanted, but we can say that about up bringing in general..

I think the only bad thing about someone having a different sexuality or fetishes is that we live in a stupid society that is obsessed with being normal because they have no confidence to do anything that's not normal.

And this pattern pretty much sums most peoples lives...

elirien
13-04-2010, 11:33 PM
The perception of the "drunkard" comes from those in the bar.

Yes because they are drunkards. :D


What it means to me is that spirit is experiencing all manner of sexual preferences in this particular plain. And it all takes care of itself, in that there's no reason why a gay man may not give up sexual attachment before a man with three children and a wife does.

We should be concerned about pedophiles, not two mature consenting adults. We should be concerned about muggers beating up old folk, not two consenting boxers in a boxing ring.

we should should should gotta!

Hey, no one said that we are trying to convince anybody of anything. If someone looks into it and decides to investigate what it is than its ok. If not that's ok too. There is no shoulds that we can say.

Paedophiles are not the topic here so we won't delve into that.


I agree with this. And you may need to practice more grace when faced with something you yourself can't be. Others can be that thing, they can be gay. And whoever identifies with their sexual persona is in the same boat. There is nothing worse about being homosexual.

Yeah but that's the thing :D It is not an issue of can and can't. There is no can't. It's a free will zone here. The matter is "if then why"?



Thank God.:D

How many grains of sand? It isn't sex that has inspired me to pack my bags here.:D And it isn't really about here or there. Let's say I don't like the sound of billions of bed bugs screaming in agony as I lay in bed and think lofty thoughts.:eek:

Well look at it this way. Kundalini or prime energy is in this thing quite heavily. What makes the bed bugs scream is the thought itself not it being lofty. When we think of let's say a beautiful encounter and then return a.k.a. wake up to "this", this pisses the bed bugs like a baby that cries when it is born. It is like porn, a past experience redressing fancy. No one buys that but forces one into that state which will end in agony (due to its illusory nature). When there is no thought lofty or not that gratification and more will be there because everything will be in perfect working order. Scientifically or materially seen this means that the Kundalini rises without any body theatrics and as such one "gains" more real and lasting pleasure and of course will and consciousness.

An orgasm is just a small tiny look at the sun through a miniscule peep hole. Those that are, are that. They don't need to peep. They need no conditions (the right guy/girl, setting etc.). They burn with that fire. We are still in a temporary stage which could be perhaps analogized as the dating stage. But there will be engagement and on "the day" marriage and eternal honeymoon.



Yes, and it's wise to never believe a word one says to themselves.:D

Yes :D Words are crap. You know anyway :D Busted :D:D

elirien
14-04-2010, 12:07 AM
Good comment :)

Please forgive me but I just do not think homosexuality is the natural path for humans - for me, in "general" it is more akin to animalistic behaviour or sexual gratification, as this combination can never create offspring.

I do not believe all gay people are animalistic, or gay simply for sexual gratification - it is a very deep issue, and I believe it has to do with genetics, emotions and education. Not everyone chooses to be gay, some do, thos who do not, I believe have geneticly hard coded inclinations toward the same sex.

And I must state that some gay people, in fact, a lot, are very very kind, very very sweet and very very peaceful, more so than many heterosexuals.

Yet I do not agree with it, I hate homosexuality but I love homosexuals - they are human, just as I.

We agree. We met a fair share of gay people who are socially very nice and we don't involve ourselves one bit in "their life" let go "bedlife". Although some of them see it as a personality or "I" which looks quite carricature as much as a "macho man", who would kick you in the face if you would say that there are gay people like him.

Genetics, emotions and education are almost the same thing in some aspects. This is theory a little bit but we believe that besides the "BIOS" encoded in genetics there also comes the Karma, which "Christians" call "the sins of our fathers", "original sin" etc. Culture, Karma, Egos, Tradition, Disconnected genetic codes are the same. It is what is left of an unfulfilled individuation that leaves this plane of existence. They are all done and gone with a very simple question "Who or what are you?".

If you answered that question at least with "I AM is not the body" (not "I am not the body" there is a difference) then one could ask the question "What is it that happened to the people of Lot?". Please look at it from a non dual perspective. No "god guy" came unto petty people. They are one. The self scrapped the vessels.

clachan
14-04-2010, 08:27 PM
a kiss is not always clean... it depends on if that person is clean or not..

in fact "normal" sexual intercourse is not always clean, if the person is not clean.

And after sex one sweats, so should wash after anyway.

I don't recall gays or humans in general having anything toxic about them...

I find your comment about God behind responsible for you not having any fetishes interesting....

Does this mean those that do, have God to thank?.

They say many fetishes could be triggered from a young age..?
for example.. what may oppress you as a child might form into a fetish as you are older..

I have a little fetish for women's hands and i like it when i see painted nails.. I also recall when young seeing my mother paint her fingers and asked if i could paint a bit of her nail for her...

it was a warm and comforting thing as she was happy when doing it and I enjoyed being around her when she did it...

As a result if I am attracted to a woman her hands can be a turn on for me.. (one of many :) )

so the way you view fetishes as some punishment from god or will of Satan IMO is just so narrow minded...

Admittedly with bad up bringing perverted fetishes can be implanted, but we can say that about up bringing in general..

I think the only bad thing about someone having a different sexuality or fetishes is that we live in a stupid society that is obsessed with being normal because they have no confidence to do anything that's not normal.

And this pattern pretty much sums most peoples lives...

This is a classic case of the lunatic liberal left trying to put anal sex between men in the same league as a kiss.
Yes Thirdwave,health and hygene are important issues,and anal sex between men is not healthy or hygenic or normal.
Homosexuality is a mental health issue,the mind controls the body.
Homosexuality is a symptom of a sick humanity,fallen and sick humanity.
In fact we are all sick,and each of us display different symptoms.

Regards fetishes I do not think that finding female hands attractive is quite what i meant,thats normal for most men.So again you are comparing normal behaviour with bizzare behaviour[which is what i was getting at] in order to muddy the waters in order to further the lunny left idiology of 'do what thou wilt'.
Hey,I know,once we humans all agree that shagging another bloke up the bum is normal and that people like me are just remnants from the Victorian age,then we can start working on the idea that its quite normal to shag pigs and donkies !!

As far asa lacking confidence to be anything other than normal I think you should try posting on these boards as a Christian.
Gays are OK,but Christians = attack.

tannah
14-04-2010, 08:52 PM
As far asa lacking confidence to be anything other than normal I think you should try posting on these boards as a Christian.
Gays are OK,but Christians = attack.

Yeah I bet gays would love to place bibly people into a couple of cities like Sodom and Gomorrah, and nuke 'em.

You're right it isn't normal. But so what?

You've made more "innocent" kinds of attacks on others, and somehow it goes over your head. You say you have the right to express your opinion, and I agree. I'm allowed the same right to say the genocidal maniac in the bible ain't my idea of God. You say it feels like an attack on you coz you believe the bible. Well, why shouldn't someone like MC feel attacked over some of the holier than thou stuff thrown at him over homosexuality?

clachan
14-04-2010, 09:08 PM
Yeah I bet gays would love to place bibly people into a couple of cities like Sodom and Gomorrah, and nuke 'em.

You're right it isn't normal. But so what?

You've made more "innocent" kinds of attacks on others, and somehow it goes over your head. You say you have the right to express your opinion, and I agree. I'm allowed the same right to say the genocidal maniac in the bible ain't my idea of God. You say it feels like an attack on you coz you believe the bible. Well, why shouldn't someone like MC feel attacked over some of the holier than thou stuff thrown at him over homosexuality?

Their dream is not so far fetched you know.

You,re right...its not normal..so what,all Im saying is that they should say so rather than promote it as normal, like some are doing here.
MC came to this thread to scream and shout at others and tell them they are evil because they state the truth.

thereisonlywe
14-04-2010, 09:20 PM
It should not be that hard to understand.

Man+Woman= In this scenario, Yang flows to Yin naturally. Yin responds to Yang and motivates it.

Man+Man - In this scenario, Yang (man1) forces Yang (man2) to act Yin. Additionally man1 has to force himself to be convinced man2 is Yin. This is because, Yang always prefers Yin. And when man1 meets man2, the response is Yang. But, it should have been Yin. And this is if man1 and man2 play their parts correctly. If it goes all random, there will be frequent Yang-Yang, Yin-Yin crashes.

Additionally, anal sex is physically and spiritually harmful. 1) Ass is not built for sex (physically). 2) We know through kashf that anal sex distrupts energy flow in a certain way. We don't know why, but my best guest would be that the root chakra (at the base of the spine) is very close to the anal opening.

Woman+Woman - In this scenario, energy can't flow properly. It is like masturbation; built on physical pleasure. Worse than man-man scenario, because promotes selfish behaviour. There is no love. There can't be. Person loves herself and treats her partner as if she treats herself (of course this will be in the sub-conscious).

Love&Peace

tannah
14-04-2010, 10:28 PM
Their dream is not so far fetched you know.

You,re right...its not normal..so what,all Im saying is that they should say so rather than promote it as normal, like some are doing here.
MC came to this thread to scream and shout at others and tell them they are evil because they state the truth.

normal is 2.2 children.

Is going to war normal? having your hands chopped off for theft, is that normal? how about creating policies that create hunger as a side effect? coz that's what normally happens.

There is no normal, it's all how you feel about it. And, saying that God doesn't approve is a hipocrites way of attacking what they don't like.
Compared to some real rotten things possible in this life do you really think homosexuality is that bad? Is it bad just because it ain't "normal"?

if anyone here is so normal, and hasn't masterbated once, please feel free to judge. Because that's not what your penis is for you know boys. It's for 2.2 impregnations of your chosen child bearing mate.

Please restate the truth, I must have missed it.

Because you guys think you're spiritual, but you're just blokes threatened by the idea of homosexuality.

I really don' like the idea of a guy touching me sexually. and do you know why? It's coz I'm not a homosexual.

When you lay down the judgmental attitude about it, I bet there's many homosexuals that can teach you a thing or two about relationships.

thirdwave
14-04-2010, 11:30 PM
This is a classic case of the lunatic liberal left trying to put anal sex between men in the same league as a kiss.

It has nothing to do with leagues... it is the meaning behind it and the reasons... You are just not getting the point.. and it certainly has nothing to do with being liberal left lol... its simply common sense..

a kiss is a sign of intimacy.. that's all... it does not make babies.. it is something we do to express intimacy.. you can still catch an illness from kissing someone... if someone has a saw you can catch it... spit is also something that can carry disease... but people still do it.

although the mouth is less intimate than the ass, the motive is still the same... just less extreme.


Yes Thirdwave,health and hygene are important issues,and anal sex between men is not healthy or hygenic or normal.
Wrong.

It can be hygienic... with two people who know how to wash and clean them sevles, it is perfectly hygienic... just as it is when a man and woman have anal sex...

If they are dirty people then I guess it can be unhygienic as a man and woman could be... it can also be unhygienic having sex with anyone who is not clean.

If your argument is that its simply not hygienic then I think its a bit of a cop out as one thing can remedy this... A Shower.


Homosexuality is a mental health issue
In your opinion.

,the mind controls the body.
As is the case with everyone.

Homosexuality is a symptom of a sick humanity,fallen and sick humanity.
In fact we are all sick,and each of us display different symptoms.
I would say a gay man containing and un able to express his sexuality would be a symptom of a sick human..

Humans that need to tell others what to feel and think are a sign of sick humanity and failing to grasp logic and the concept of freedom.

The thought of one man telling another what he should and should not do sexually?, I Find more repulsive than any Gay I have met. Horrible.

Regards fetishes I do not think that finding female hands attractive is quite what i meant,thats normal for most men.
It was an example.

For a person to announce what another man should and should not have as a fetish, again to me is just plain ugly and wrong... it is mentally unhygienic IMO.

So again you are comparing normal behaviour with bizzare behaviour[which is what i was getting at] in order to muddy the waters in order to further the lunny left idiology of 'do what thou wilt'.

But you have over looked my point... what is normal behaviour... is it normal for humans to watch TV?

is it normal to have sex with a girl doggy style or laying flat?

what about foot fetishes?

what about hand cufs?

what about a blow job?

so on... are none of these things normal despite loads of people doing it everyday?

Do you not think that sexuality might not be a single act, but a part of a persons personality?


Hey,I know,once we humans all agree that shagging another bloke up the bum is normal and that people like me are just remnants from the Victorian age,then we can start working on the idea that its quite normal to shag pigs and donkies !!
Except that Gay people give each other consent... :rolleyes:

It seems your perception of normal is what makes you feel secure.. what someone else feels secure doing that is not what you like, then its not seen as normal..

There is no such thing as normal... there is only effect .... we live, we are animals are we are growing up and we are evolving... when that happens nature produces many things and will keep doing so...

the very fact there are masses of gay people in the world and that gay people have existed for as long as we know... then this shows that nature HAS played a part in them being here...

And you can try and deny this until you are blue in the face but it wont change that fact.

the fact is that sex is not only an act of reproducing... but it is an act of expressing the adult inside of you... expressing the man and woman you are...

any obstruction with this is simply preventing people from being the woman and the man they are, and is completely abusing nature and the person.

my advice to any gay, straight person, any person with odd fetishes or so on.... Go out and be your self to the max be confident and happy.

And anyone who tells them they are wrong or tries to use society's physiological weapons and tools to make them feel small and outcast, or morally wrong.Tell them to shove it up their arse and just realise they would only be small and outcast if they actually listened to the stupidity being hurled their way...


As far asa lacking confidence to be anything other than normal I think you should try posting on these boards as a Christian.
Gays are OK,but Christians = attack.
I try not to generalise as I wont tarnish all Christians with the same brush... But I will say with confident that a large amount of them I come across are simply brainwashed over judgemental, hypocritical and spiritually insecure people who are what they are because they are simply to afraid to be anything else..

And again I point out that Christians that judge Gay people based on the bible, and claim being Gay is not natural, should be told that the bible has no more authority on justice or fact than Gay people have.

I VERY much think a gay person or someone with a eccentric sexuality being him/her self and happy for it is far more spiritual and in touch with "god" than a Christian who views him/her as Satan inspired and wrong.

thirdwave
14-04-2010, 11:33 PM
It should not be that hard to understand.

Man+Woman= In this scenario, Yang flows to Yin naturally. Yin responds to Yang and motivates it.

Man+Man - In this scenario, Yang (man1) forces Yang (man2) to act Yin. Additionally man1 has to force himself to be convinced man2 is Yin. This is because, Yang always prefers Yin. And when man1 meets man2, the response is Yang. But, it should have been Yin. And this is if man1 and man2 play their parts correctly. If it goes all random, there will be frequent Yang-Yang, Yin-Yin crashes.

Additionally, anal sex is physically and spiritually harmful. 1) Ass is not built for sex (physically). 2) We know through kashf that anal sex distrupts energy flow in a certain way. We don't know why, but my best guest would be that the root chakra (at the base of the spine) is very close to the anal opening.

Woman+Woman - In this scenario, energy can't flow properly. It is like masturbation; built on physical pleasure. Worse than man-man scenario, because promotes selfish behaviour. There is no love. There can't be. Person loves herself and treats her partner as if she treats herself (of course this will be in the sub-conscious).

Love&Peace

Yes but none of that is anything close to fact... its all your opinion...

You do know where the G spot is in the human body right?

God must have been trying to hide it i guess.. :)

thereisonlywe
15-04-2010, 12:35 AM
God must have been trying to hide it i guess.. :)

Isn't that a narrow view of God...

Love&Peace

thirdwave
15-04-2010, 01:39 AM
Isn't that a narrow view of God...

Love&Peace

No, its an expression from a person who does not believe god can be defined in such a simplistic and limited vision as most religious people do..

So I find such phrases humorous...

I think God is far far far far bigger and more complex than any of the bibles out there and to be frank probably to scary for most to contemplate.

So you can imagine my outlook when a religious person tells me what "god" expects of me..

thereisonlywe
15-04-2010, 08:40 AM
No, its an expression from a person who does not believe god can be defined in such a simplistic and limited vision as most religious people do..

So I find such phrases humorous...

I think God is far far far far bigger and more complex than any of the bibles out there and to be frank probably to scary for most to contemplate.

So you can imagine my outlook when a religious person tells me what "god" expects of me..

Actually God doesn't expect anything. If He did, then you would be forced to obey. "Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs (to open your eyes): if any will see, it will be for (the good of) his own soul; if any will be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not (here) to watch over your doings." (6:104)

Love&Peace

thirdwave
15-04-2010, 10:34 AM
Actually God doesn't expect anything. If He did, then you would be forced to obey. "Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs (to open your eyes): if any will see, it will be for (the good of) his own soul; if any will be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not (here) to watch over your doings." (6:104)

Love&Peace


that's form the Quran right?, well that's a nice one...

Well for me there is very little difference in the Quran and the bible, just a division on which messiah is the top dog.

"2:8 And of mankind are some who say: We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not.
2:9 They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves; but they perceive not.
2:10 In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie."

"2:126 And when Abraham prayed: My Lord! Make this a region of security and bestow upon its people fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day, He answered: As for him who disbelieveth, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the doom of Fire - a hapless journey's end!"

there's allot more...

does he mean that you are not forced to turn away from your sexuality (being gay) and you can believe in my texts but just snip out these parts..

"27:54 And Lot! when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination knowingly ?
27:55 Must ye needs lust after men instead of women ? Nay, but ye are folk who act senselessly.
27:56 But the answer of his folk was naught save that they said: Expel the household of Lot from your township, for they (forsooth) are folk who would keep clean!
27:57 Then We saved him and his household save his wife; We destined her to be of those who stayed behind.
27:58 And We rained a rain upon them. Dreadful is the rain of those who have been warned."

and he will let you off the hook and still let you into the Allah heaven??

This is where I get confused, where does he say that people can interpret his teachings how they like and still avoid the wrath of god?

and the bible has allot of that kind of stuff as well...

You see, there are decent texts in these religious texts... so one can fish through with a siv and decorate it how they like and Im sure many decent people do this...

And if these texts did not promote them sevles as the only true words of god and the only salvation for man, then this would be ok I guess, but that is how they promote them selves and those who follow it..

You can look at some occult texts and some attack those... Crowley for example, where in some texts you can point out harsh or dark sounding things (as you can in the Quran and bible) the difference is, we have had first had interaction with the "prophet" who wrote them and thus explained the power and intention behind them, and the reasoning behind the conflict within them. With those texts you see that one who does not follow it is not harmed, and the rules set in will not bring punishment to people if not taken in.... and so on... So for me one either needs to take religious texts in the same way as an occultist would take in magical texts which is a personal and creative thing for all and each individual... and not a written set of rules that all must follow in line...


If you notice, the Bible or Quran do not bother to tell people why being Gay is bad.... It just tells you this with the expectation that you do not doubt its teachings....

It teaches people that their words are gospel, the law... the words of God... but does not often make sense of many of its condemnations..

in the past if one challenged this, they were killed.

This is something that you cant deny, as its historic fact, and the only reason Religion is so powerful, the only reason so many back it, the only reason that it governs people to this day is because of FEAR, imposed on people. NOT choice and certainty not Fact.

clachan
15-04-2010, 09:25 PM
It has nothing to do with leagues... it is the meaning behind it and the reasons... You are just not getting the point.. and it certainly has nothing to do with being liberal left lol... its simply common sense..

a kiss is a sign of intimacy.. that's all... it does not make babies.. it is something we do to express intimacy.. you can still catch an illness from kissing someone... if someone has a saw you can catch it... spit is also something that can carry disease... but people still do it.

although the mouth is less intimate than the ass, the motive is still the same... just less extreme.



Wrong.

It can be hygienic... with two people who know how to wash and clean them sevles, it is perfectly hygienic... just as it is when a man and woman have anal sex...

If they are dirty people then I guess it can be unhygienic as a man and woman could be... it can also be unhygienic having sex with anyone who is not clean.

If your argument is that its simply not hygienic then I think its a bit of a cop out as one thing can remedy this... A Shower.



In your opinion.


As is the case with everyone.


I would say a gay man containing and un able to express his sexuality would be a symptom of a sick human..

Humans that need to tell others what to feel and think are a sign of sick humanity and failing to grasp logic and the concept of freedom.

The thought of one man telling another what he should and should not do sexually?, I Find more repulsive than any Gay I have met. Horrible.


It was an example.

For a person to announce what another man should and should not have as a fetish, again to me is just plain ugly and wrong... it is mentally unhygienic IMO.



But you have over looked my point... what is normal behaviour... is it normal for humans to watch TV?

is it normal to have sex with a girl doggy style or laying flat?

what about foot fetishes?

what about hand cufs?

what about a blow job?

so on... are none of these things normal despite loads of people doing it everyday?

Do you not think that sexuality might not be a single act, but a part of a persons personality?


Except that Gay people give each other consent... :rolleyes:

It seems your perception of normal is what makes you feel secure.. what someone else feels secure doing that is not what you like, then its not seen as normal..

There is no such thing as normal... there is only effect .... we live, we are animals are we are growing up and we are evolving... when that happens nature produces many things and will keep doing so...

the very fact there are masses of gay people in the world and that gay people have existed for as long as we know... then this shows that nature HAS played a part in them being here...

And you can try and deny this until you are blue in the face but it wont change that fact.

the fact is that sex is not only an act of reproducing... but it is an act of expressing the adult inside of you... expressing the man and woman you are...

any obstruction with this is simply preventing people from being the woman and the man they are, and is completely abusing nature and the person.

my advice to any gay, straight person, any person with odd fetishes or so on.... Go out and be your self to the max be confident and happy.

And anyone who tells them they are wrong or tries to use society's physiological weapons and tools to make them feel small and outcast, or morally wrong.Tell them to shove it up their arse and just realise they would only be small and outcast if they actually listened to the stupidity being hurled their way...



I try not to generalise as I wont tarnish all Christians with the same brush... But I will say with confident that a large amount of them I come across are simply brainwashed over judgemental, hypocritical and spiritually insecure people who are what they are because they are simply to afraid to be anything else..

And again I point out that Christians that judge Gay people based on the bible, and claim being Gay is not natural, should be told that the bible has no more authority on justice or fact than Gay people have.

I VERY much think a gay person or someone with a eccentric sexuality being him/her self and happy for it is far more spiritual and in touch with "god" than a Christian who views him/her as Satan inspired and wrong.

What a load of old ballony !
Cannot be bothered with this subject any more,my views on the subject will never change,no matter how much BS they conjure up.