Defeating the New World Order without fighting

[infinitetruth]

Fighting would be stooping to their level right? And if we take david ickes words 'opposites never fight' then those who oppose war should stay opposed to war, not fight to end it.

So I've been thinking of ways to cripple the new world order and there is one I've come up with. Money is the big player in NWO - without money, without the media, they lose their strength. I also remember david saying that if you express your individuality and do something different, they can't catch you physically (the anecdote of the 2 pigs that ran away from the slaughter house [freedomroad]).

So my huge idea was to live self-sufficiently. Basically to either own a self-sufficent home or to build a home that powers itself. Or to find a way to live off our own backs - creating our own energy, water and food. Ok I know people will say this is impossible - to that I say 1. we already have the technology and 2. we accomplish impossible feats everyday, and this feat is far from impossible, it is our natural god-given right.

Living self-sufficiently means no bills, it also means that you don't earn anything. Which in turn means you don't pay tax. The government can't do you for not earning, nor can it do you for not owing. It is also possible to homeschool your children. The government doesn't own us - we have the power to use our ingenuity to start anew, by ourselves as individuals following what 'we believe is right in our hearts' not laws which the government says is right and wrong.

Well, I am seriously looking into this type of living, I have spoke to my husband who is not really a david icke fan, but he likes the idea of 'the good life'. But I wanted to know what other people thought and if they could think of any other non violent ways of defeating NWO

[andreadoria]

... i mean, what you wanna do is the right thing! My personal point of view is: more we focus on their craps, more we feed their power. For example i began to make some significant changes in my life, like to drop the television in the garbage forever. WE DON'T NEED OF IT! It's my 3rd year without TV and i feel much much better! Less stress, less nervous... and recently i've started also vibrating on an higher level. I don't use a cell phone anymore, and i really feel FREE in every sense! I pay the phone bill just for the internet connection. I've mounted on my roof Cells to grab sun rays as energy, so i don't pay energy bills anymore but i sell it to my close neighbors. I grow ortages in my garden and have nothing to compare to the ortages that i buy at the supermarket. I've sold my Playstation and all the distraction devices... my best entertainment now is the Photography, and reading... I FEEL SO BETTER!!! :D

[infinitetruth]

I know what you mean. We've been without telly for just over 3 years now and its great, it's certainly lightened the load and made me feel like I could think for myself again. I've nearly cut all the chemicals out of our lifestyles - we no longer have any packaged food with anything other than the main ingredients in it and we have natural toiletries. We also have organic veg, but the next step would be growing your own. Having the time to do it with work and paperwork is difficult and it would be great to go the whole hog and not have have energy bills to pay.

The more I think about it the more appealing it sounds:):) But what would the government do if less and less of us are playing to their tune?

[mcmenek1]

Fighting would be stooping to their level right? And if we take david ickes words 'opposites never fight' then those who oppose war should stay opposed to war, not fight to end it.

So I've been thinking of ways to cripple the new world order and there is one I've come up with. Money is the big player in NWO - without money, without the media, they lose their strength. I also remember david saying that if you express your individuality and do something different, they can't catch you physically (the anecdote of the 2 pigs that ran away from the slaughter house [freedomroad]).

So my huge idea was to live self-sufficiently. Basically to either own a self-sufficent home or to build a home that powers itself. Or to find a way to live off our own backs - creating our own energy, water and food. Ok I know people will say this is impossible - to that I say 1. we already have the technology and 2. we accomplish impossible feats everyday, and this feat is far from impossible, it is our natural god-given right.

Living self-sufficiently means no bills, it also means that you don't earn anything. Which in turn means you don't pay tax. The government can't do you for not earning, nor can it do you for not owing. It is also possible to homeschool your children. The government doesn't own us - we have the power to use our ingenuity to start anew, by ourselves as individuals following what 'we believe is right in our hearts' not laws which the government says is right and wrong.

Well, I am seriously looking into this type of living, I have spoke to my husband who is not really a david icke fan, but he likes the idea of 'the good life'. But I wanted to know what other people thought and if they could think of any other non violent ways of defeating NWO

Hi infinitetruth,

This is definitely the way to go in my opinion.....we need to cut our dependency on the system that is enslaving us..... becoming self sufficient for energy, food and water would be a great way to start........ another non violent way of defeating the NWO would be to stop voting......by voting we are giving the government permission to rule over us we need to take that power away from them......we need to let them know we are just not interested in this corrupt system of government anymore.....I think a lot of people have stopped voting anyway because they are so disillusioned by it all........But yea becoming self sufficiency would be a great way to start........:)

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Here are a few websites that will be helpful for you....


Mike Mobbs, a Sydney environmental lawyer, and his lawyer wife Heather Armstrong wanted to renovate their house - to expand their kitchen and make a bit more living space for the two kids. But when they sat down to plan the job they decided to build a house that would be less of a drain on the planet's resources. Despite living in one of the most densely populated suburbs in Sydney's inner-west, they dreamed-up a house that would:

Collect all its drinking water from the roof
Generate all of its electricity from the sun
Process all of its wastewater, including sewage, on site
These might seem hopelessly optimistic objectives for a house on a block 35 metres long and 5 metres wide, but what began as a private experiment a few years ago is today an example of how a little ingenuity and perseverance can change a house from a waste-belching brick box into a self-contained, sustainable home, without huge sacrifices in lifestyle, routine or comfort.
Mike and Heather's plan was more than a hippie pipe-dream, and environmental impact wasn't their only concern. They had a budget to work to and they didn't want a house that looked, sounded or smelt "freakish" - it would need to be resold one day and they couldn't afford to reduce its market value. It needed to be safe and hygienic for themselves and their two children, and they weren't prepared to have weird bits of equipment constantly breaking down and needing repair - all the gadgets had to be off-the-shelf, thoroughly tested technology. Finally, to top-off their wish list, they wanted to carry out the renovations without using rainforest timber or materials that could release toxic chemicals into the house.

Impossible? Outrageously expensive? Here's how they did it...

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This site has some great links...

http://www.crank.net/energy.html




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[infinitetruth]

Thanks for all the links! I too found a book on self-sufficient living called planet earth home, but it was over 100 quid (why so expensive??) and I can't condone spending that much on a book.

My husband are not too far away from getting rid of the mortgage. What I thought we could do is sell our house, livin a caravan for a bit while building a completely self suffient home with a garden. But I'm not sure about the planning permission - whether they would try to stop us.

If everyone just turned their backs on the government, no protests or anything, just simply turned their backs and went off on their own - what power would they have? They need us more than we need them.

What would really be great is forming some sort of self-sufficient group, where we could share our knowledge, money and help to get whole groups of us out of the money trap. I WISH!!LLOL!!

[lookfar]

Great thread infinitetruth :)

Self sufficiency is definitely the way to go in beating the system & living in harmony IMO. I've been wanting to do this for years now & haven't made it yet. But hopefully will soon....:) & I'm all for a self-sufficient group too!!

Great links there IAAIA, I'll be saving those for reading in more depth later :)

[i am all i am]

Thanks for all the links! I too found a book on self-sufficient living called planet earth home, but it was over 100 quid (why so expensive??) and I can't condone spending that much on a book.

My husband are not too far away from getting rid of the mortgage. What I thought we could do is sell our house, livin a caravan for a bit while building a completely self suffient home with a garden. But I'm not sure about the planning permission - whether they would try to stop us.

If everyone just turned their backs on the government, no protests or anything, just simply turned their backs and went off on their own - what power would they have? They need us more than we need them.

What would really be great is forming some sort of self-sufficient group, where we could share our knowledge, money and help to get whole groups of us out of the money trap. I WISH!!LLOL!!

G'day Infinitetruth.

You are welcome. I did have a link at one time where it showed how you could run a four bedroom house from a deisel generator, bio-deisel and deep cell batteries. It only required 1-2 hours using the generator per day to supply enough electricity for the whole house.

I have walked away from the system and understand what you are refering to about turning our backs on the government. I have no ID, no bank account, I only voted once in my life over 18 years ago, I do not work, I've lived without a residence (or a computer - this is a friends), etc, and the powers that be have no hold on me, I am free to do as I please.

I suggested on the forum experiment thread that we could form a community that was self sufficient. Maybe it would be a great time to start a thread about the idea and see what we can collectively come up with in the way of ideas.


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[lookfar]

G'day Infinitetruth.

You are welcome. I did have a link at one time where it showed how you could run a four bedroom house from a deisel generator, bio-deisel and deep cell batteries. It only required 1-2 hours using the generator per day to supply enough electricity for the whole house.

I have walked away from the system and understand what you are refering to about turning our backs on the government. I have no ID, no bank account, I only voted once in my life over 18 years ago, I do not work, I've lived without a residence (or a computer - this is a friends), etc, and the powers that be have no hold on me, I am free to do as I please.

I suggested on the forum experiment thread that we could form a community that was self sufficient. Maybe it would be a great time to start a thread about the idea and see what we can collectively come up with in the way of ideas.

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Way to go honey - it's gotta be done I reckon!!:D

[i am all i am]

Great thread infinitetruth :)

Self sufficiency is definitely the way to go in beating the system & living in harmony IMO. I've been wanting to do this for years now & haven't made it yet. But hopefully will soon....:) & I'm all for a self-sufficient group too!!

Great links there IAAIA, I'll be saving those for reading in more depth later :)

I'll see if I can find the site for this one and post a link when I do...

I did have a link at one time where it showed how you could run a four bedroom house from a deisel generator, bio-deisel and deep cell batteries. It only required 1-2 hours using the generator per day to supply enough electricity for the whole house.

...from memory, it was a great site and offered some great knowledge that was inexpensive and easy to apply.

This was the link that I had with it for the deisel generator...

http://www.airaus.com/airaus/category.jsp?categoryID=94

...but it will take a bit of searching on the net to find the above site.



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[infinitetruth]

Thanks again, I am all I am - I can't wait to view the links tonite and study hard. Would really love to make this work.

I suggested on the forum experiment thread that we could form a community that was self sufficient. Maybe it would be a great time to start a thread about the idea and see what we can collectively come up with in the way of ideas.



DEFINITELY!!!!!!

But the internet would be impossible to do - self-sufficiently, wouldn't it? I mean unless there were more internet cafes. I don't mind going without a computer, but it helps to be able to communicate with like-minded others. Isn't it a shame how the media has dwindle so much that its alienated nearly everyone.

A self-sufficient community is what we need (before they make it illegal) - the more people change the more others will follow of their own accord, without even having to persuade people - most will just know it is the right thing to do.

It is the answer to NWO, the answer to disease, the answer to obesity, the answer to stress and depression, the answer to theft and the answer to greed.

[andreadoria]

I know what you mean. We've been without telly for just over 3 years now and its great, it's certainly lightened the load and made me feel like I could think for myself again. I've nearly cut all the chemicals out of our lifestyles - we no longer have any packaged food with anything other than the main ingredients in it and we have natural toiletries. We also have organic veg, but the next step would be growing your own. Having the time to do it with work and paperwork is difficult and it would be great to go the whole hog and not have have energy bills to pay.

The more I think about it the more appealing it sounds:):) But what would the government do if less and less of us are playing to their tune?

oh well of course they wouldn't be happy... As David always whant us to notice is that they have only one way to make us think and do what they wants, they can just establish a new PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION and through other fears people will accept the new rules as we have accepted all the changes since 911. Of course they would invent something. Our only hope is that this big awakening is more than a theory... i want a free world, where everybody lives in harmony with the others... are we really need of this de-humanizing tecnology? I mean, i'm not against it, but i feel sad when they try to build a new robot-dog/kitty or whatever to feed our children with unhuman feelings... I want a tecnology that is good for all of us, to set us free once forever...

[infinitetruth]

Yes, I expect they would demonise us in someway or create a food scare based on acid rain or such like those B£*$***"s
But we cannot let that scare us. Fear is their ally not ours.;)

[andreadoria]

YES! :p

[auron]

I have walked away from the system and understand what you are refering to about turning our backs on the government. I have no ID, no bank account, I only voted once in my life over 18 years ago, I do not work, I've lived without a residence (or a computer - this is a friends), etc, and the powers that be have no hold on me, I am free to do as I please.


Same here man! Except I've never voted. :D

[infinitetruth]

I've nver voted either.

I was just wondering I am all I am, and auron, do either of you have partners or children?

[ashyr]

Great. This a definative sign of the awakening.

Its also @ a very crucial time. There are many people including myself entereing endevours to enter such a place.

although i am reluctant to elaborate on the plans me and my fellow companions have afoot. i will say that be aware of who talk to and who may be onlooking.because there are alot of family/networks who require your envolvement for them to sustain. Failure to comply with there wishes may bring unwanted attention,negativity and also might hinder or develop into an action that will sound out a unlikely success of you breaking free. But remember that anything that presents itself in such away is further comfirmation of what you are already aware of. push forward.

free energy generators. are a very very usefull tool for all.
also we all know about CODEX ALIMENTARIUS so stock up on seeds organics and products that will help you sustain a natrual life. to provide nutrients to soil and supply the human with another source of nutrition. as well as animals be it milk or meat. your choice.

another big thing is LAND. its going to be a very difficult struggle to occupy some land that isnt actually being used. someone apparently owns it. I denie such a claim because when everyone dies there possesions spew out on the ground just like many RPG's and Computer Games. so. whats the harm?

refer to the fact of the matter involving "Livelyhood,Income,Control" from factors already in play.

aquiring a section of land for your new paradise is a big step. If you dont already have such a site. developing the land is going to be a lifelong project, bringing your constant change and elaboration into what it is that you want in your life/world and which is it that your would like to be surrounded.

I am very pleased to have discovered David and his work some 8-9 years ago. Isnt it bizarre as David would say. Just wait/think/watch what i am saying and watch it all unfold. its truely like some real life XFILES episode isnt it. lol

dont let the oppertunity pass.

Best of luck to you all.

[infinitetruth]

yes, when I heard David speak for the first time I didn't realise his past. I thought he spoke the truth. I was thinking of aquiring land, agricult. to grow and keep animals. No one could stop me from parkin a caravan there and staying. as it would be my land. So, we are seriously thinking about doing it. PM me if you like ashyr.

the problem is we are a family, and it is difficult because people can more easily judge you when you have children. One of my children is very unwell, and he needs a pure lifestyle to be healthy and happy so we are doing this not because we have crackpot ideas (as people might think) but because we think our children need more that what our country is offering them. I firmly believe that relationships and family and growing vegetables, keeping animals, cooking and cleaning should be taught in schools. And I was actually thinking of offering after school classes for this. People think that you don't need to learn how to clean, but when you can't use chemicals anymore because you don't want to harm yourself or your environment you DO have to RELEARN how to clean. You have to know what tools work and what doesn't. You have to learn how to cook in order to make REAL food exciting and tasty. It's not difficult its just different to what most people are used to.

People have become lazy. Children are taught to read, add-up but they are not taught the value of hard work. Even I wasn't. I still struggle with the 'I shouldn't have to do this' attitude. It has left us all completely helpless in the real world, which is dangerous. If someone came in the night and took away everything man made, would we be able to cope? I think if we took back this ability, and this knowledge we would be less afraid of whats around the corner - we would finally be able to look after ourselves.

[wormhole]

read this today http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_articles_awesome_journey.htm and thought it was relevant to this thread.
cool "story"! :)

[montag]

read this today http://http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_articles_awesome_journey.htm and thought it was relevant to this thread.
cool "story"! :)
Try this link instead..:)
(http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_articles_awesome_journey.htm)

[ashyr]

yes that is why i mentioned about the dangers of the MOVE~

um having children and other volnurable people under your care. or in your direct line of LOVED ONES in immediate connection. the worst thing is having them ridiculed or used in a way against your desire. even turned against what it is you believe.

the hardest thing is like you say. GETTING OFF YOUR ARSE and doing it.

really at the end of the day. when one has awoken. he will realise that all roads lead to happyness. but the road often travelled today is a simple one and this is why we accept what we see and are given as to be ALL THERE IS.

i think building the road you are going to walk on is a very long process but a monumental one at that . for when you walk down that road. you will know. that you built it. the fruit of your labour. and real values and worths will be restored to man.

[i am all i am]

I've nver voted either.

I was just wondering I am all I am, and auron, do either of you have partners or children?

I made a concious choice to not have children.

I live with a friend that has children. I've been here for almost four years now. My ideas on relationships altered further away from the norm a little over 8 years ago now, although they weren't very normal to start with. No labels or attachments, merely sharing lifes experiences together, total freedom to think, speak and act as you choose to without any need to please another.



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[infinitetruth]

Children is the biggest weakness and strength you can have. Weakness because you are prone to the biggest fears imaginable and that can be a way to use and manipulate you. Strength because you have to gain a great amount of strength to overcome that fear, live through that fear and not be manipulated by that fear.

Even though it will be difficult, I am determined. I used to think that having money was the most important thing in ensuring that I have everything I need. But having skills is really the most important thing, because if all money was wiped off the face of the planet, I'd still have the skills to ensure I had and my family had everything they needed.

[ashyr]

yeah i will change that a bit. the worst thing is having them ridiculed or used in a way against your desire maybe not a desire, wishes?

[levitas]

I agree with all that has been said, but I do think that most people wont be able to make these radical decisions becuase of different factors. It would be great... but im just not sure how it should be done.

Another idea for stopping the government or what not, is by taking their power away. What threat do they have? Force, their armies. (which is us) So by enlighting everyone and allowing information to be easily obtainable and "out there" we can stop people from becoming part of the army/navy/other. By doing this the government wont be able to control us... they have to have puppets, and if we dont give them any they'll become powerless. What do you guys think?

[auron]

I've nver voted either.

I was just wondering I am all I am, and auron, do either of you have partners or children?

Nope, and Nope!

I call them balls and chains. :D

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[celtic isis]

Fighting would be stooping to their level right? And if we take david ickes words 'opposites never fight' then those who oppose war should stay opposed to war, not fight to end it.

So I've been thinking of ways to cripple the new world order and there is one I've come up with. Money is the big player in NWO - without money, without the media, they lose their strength. I also remember david saying that if you express your individuality and do something different, they can't catch you physically (the anecdote of the 2 pigs that ran away from the slaughter house [freedomroad]).

So my huge idea was to live self-sufficiently. Basically to either own a self-sufficent home or to build a home that powers itself. Or to find a way to live off our own backs - creating our own energy, water and food. Ok I know people will say this is impossible - to that I say 1. we already have the technology and 2. we accomplish impossible feats everyday, and this feat is far from impossible, it is our natural god-given right.

Living self-sufficiently means no bills, it also means that you don't earn anything. Which in turn means you don't pay tax. The government can't do you for not earning, nor can it do you for not owing. It is also possible to homeschool your children. The government doesn't own us - we have the power to use our ingenuity to start anew, by ourselves as individuals following what 'we believe is right in our hearts' not laws which the government says is right and wrong.

Well, I am seriously looking into this type of living, I have spoke to my husband who is not really a david icke fan, but he likes the idea of 'the good life'. But I wanted to know what other people thought and if they could think of any other non violent ways of defeating NWO

hi there infinite truth and all the gang :)

i just wrote a lot about what you were saying there and lost it lol, lucky for you :D

everything you said is the way to go!

take their power away, it's been in our hands all along!

here's to living self sufficiently :D

[celtic isis]

ok, i have to put what i had typed already lol...

yep, this is our plan too, to live self sufficiently. In any cause judging by the way things are going now who knows we'll probably end up living in caves having to fend for ourselves anyway sooner or later!

my OH had the idea of going back to the times where someone would grow the vegetables, crops etc and then trade or swop then with another person in the community for whatever services or commodities he or she needed..each person in the community would have their own "thing" that they'd do, and together they'd all make up the whole. :)

Of course we understand why it has been so important for the "illuminati" to break these relations down, i.e. within a community, people are so isolated now and are mostly, completely dependent on supermarkets etc which the ones at the top of the pyramid have total control over.

i know i'd love to have a solar powered house! And where i live it's sunny all the time like, what a waste eh. It doesn't serve the ones in control so therefore it isn't made available to all. What wonderful planet we could and should have eh guys, if it wasn't for these tosspots! :rolleyes:

What other ways to fight the NWO...by being content ourselves and showing other people "the light" as in how to be happy, cause we all know happiness is just a state of being and we can be happy any time we want, you don't need anything outside to be happy but there's so many people brainwashed into believing it's atainable only by having this new dress, new car etc etc...everyone is kept imprisoned by stress, self doubt, guilt etc etc and living to the suvival of the fittest law that's a load of rubbish also! This is one of the worst threats to the NWO, if people find out the truth and find the keys to have better lives, they won't need all the other crap.
Just to think that so many people commit suicide, actually take their own lives cause they just can't cope anymore with life here...now that makes it serious.

We have to keep alerting people to the NWO deal as much as posisble, the more people who know, at least the better chance we have to rebel. We even don't need violence, but only love alone is not the answer either, it needs tough love to fight this lol but i mean just by boycotting banks, refusing to follow everything laid down by our governments, refusing ot be part of the system and making sure to do the best for our kids too in bringing them up to know the truth, wow the kids of everyone on this site are so lucky! what well equipped, loving, understanding individuals they will gorw up to be! :) i love your idea for home schooling too infinite truth...if i ever have kids one day i'll look into that myself.

In all the cases we are bigger in numbers down here at the bottom of the pyramid lol

power in numbers...they better watch their scaly asses lol :D

[mcmenek1]

ok, i have to put what i had typed already lol...

yep, this is our plan too, to live self sufficiently. In any cause judging by the way things are going now who knows we'll probably end up living in caves having to fend for ourselves anyway sooner or later!

my OH had the idea of going back to the times where someone would grow the vegetables, crops etc and then trade or swop then with another person in the community for whatever services or commodities he or she needed..each person in the community would have their own "thing" that they'd do, and together they'd all make up the whole. :)

Of course we understand why it has been so important for the "illuminati" to break these relations down, i.e. within a community, people are so isolated now and are mostly, completely dependent on supermarkets etc which the ones at the top of the pyramid have total control over.

i know i'd love to have a solar powered house! And where i live it's sunny all the time like, what a waste eh. It doesn't serve the ones in control so therefore it isn't made available to all. What wonderful planet we could and should have eh guys, if it wasn't for these tosspots! :rolleyes:

What other ways to fight the NWO...by being content ourselves and showing other people "the light" as in how to be happy, cause we all know happiness is just a state of being and we can be happy any time we want, you don't need anything outside to be happy but there's so many people brainwashed into believing it's atainable only by having this new dress, new car etc etc...everyone is kept imprisoned by stress, self doubt, guilt etc etc and living to the suvival of the fittest law that's a load of rubbish also! This is one of the worst threats to the NWO, if people find out the truth and find the keys to have better lives, they won't need all the other crap.
Just to think that so many people commit suicide, actually take their own lives cause they just can't cope anymore with life here...now that makes it serious.

We have to keep alerting people to the NWO deal as much as posisble, the more people who know, at least the better chance we have to rebel. We even don't need violence, but only love alone is not the answer either, it needs tough love to fight this lol but i mean just by boycotting banks, refusing to follow everything laid down by our governments, refusing ot be part of the system and making sure to do the best for our kids too in bringing them up to know the truth, wow the kids of everyone on this site are so lucky! what well equipped, loving, understanding individuals they will gorw up to be! :) i love your idea for home schooling too infinite truth...if i ever have kids one day i'll look into that myself.

In all the cases we are bigger in numbers down here at the bottom of the pyramid lol

power in numbers...they better watch their scaly asses lol :D


What a great post celtic isis........well said :):):)

Love
&
Peace

[celtic isis]

What a great post celtic isis........well said :):):)

Love
&
Peace

awwww :o thanks mcmenek1, that's so nice :) i'm well chuffed now! i thought it was crap lol what i said seeing as the laptop chose to lose it the last time lol :)

[cruise4]

Self sufficiency is all very well... but what about Council Tax which is based on the word 'dwelling' and covers most everything bar perhaps a tent and I expect they'd argue that.

Then there's 'View' tax maybe, or enforced ID scheme participation at your expense, or Global Warming Taxes, or 1001 other things that these people WILL place in your way.

Got a cow or chickens??? Hope they can handle the biologics etc.
Going to grow your own food? Better have an enclosed environment and a way to replenish un-contaminated soil etc.
Cut wood for fuel? This is obviously severely detrimental to their environmentalist agenda and will at some point be heavily penalised.

It doesn't seem to matter which way you look at the outcome of all this... until those responsible are ousted, we will become less free by the day.

Barring Divine intervention I can't see how anything but people power will manage this. So its a question of waking up enough people to achieve 'critical mass'.

Nevertheless a rucksack with well thought out kit next to the door is definitely sensible for a quick evac. which I see as a more likely scenario, and all your wonderful solar panelled homes etc. will either be destroyed, vacated or go to some scumbag.

[infinitetruth]

you are right it is difficult, but it is a step in the right direction. Most of us couldn't survive without someone else providing for us, electricty, water, food, money, home... we recieve from working. Without that many of us would die.

If we all were able to survive, comfortably and happily without these things - (or able to create them ourselves) think at how much confidence that would bring, to be able to rely on yourself.

I don't believe that soil contamination or otherwise could harm us as much living in a natural environment. Sure if they wanted to poison you they could, but what I mean is there are thousand of poisons in our everyday lives as it is. Elliminate all of these and you are fighting fit. A bit of soil contamination or whatever should be easy to fight off compared to what we are bombarded with everyday. You are right that they will target us. In one way or another, which is why a halfway stage would be difficult for many. Gyspies in this country are free, they are difficult to touch by the legal systems as they have no address or bank accounts. They are still hassled of course, and demonised as most self-sufficient people will be.

You have to expect it, because we are going against the grain, they won't get taxes from someone who is not earning, and they will be someone who doesn't need to earn so therefore will NEVER pay taxes. Of course council tax is only something you pay when you have a home.

The only thing we have to hang on to is that our livestyle would be environmentally friendly and there are many groups and organisations to back us up in that respect. With all this global warming/climate change lark can be used for our benefit - are argument could be why penalise someone who has a small ecological footprint, who is hardly contributing to global warming?

Trading goods between each other - if I swap something with you, that can ,by law, be taxed by the government - they have many ways to trap us, its all or nothing.

The government has to ease off - especially on the tax situation. My husband and I are seriously thinking about self-sufficient living mainly because of the tax grief we suffer. There must be others in this situation also.
The more the government imposes further legislation the more trapped we will feel - the more trapped we all feel the more appealing a freer lifestyle will be even though we have to give up some creature comforts. The government will continue to make it more difficult and it is inevitable that we will all want to break free - if everyone in the country did this how could the government impose its will? By jailing us all, Thatcher did that with the Poll tax and it caused embarrasment to the government so they scrapped it. Think of how embarrassing it would be for everyone to turn their backs on the british society?

If there was no money there would still be houses, products, skills etc. We would still collectively have the skills to survive.

[celtic isis]

Self sufficiency is all very well... but what about Council Tax which is based on the word 'dwelling' and covers most everything bar perhaps a tent and I expect they'd argue that.

Then there's 'View' tax maybe, or enforced ID scheme participation at your expense, or Global Warming Taxes, or 1001 other things that these people WILL place in your way.

Got a cow or chickens??? Hope they can handle the biologics etc.
Going to grow your own food? Better have an enclosed environment and a way to replenish un-contaminated soil etc.
Cut wood for fuel? This is obviously severely detrimental to their environmentalist agenda and will at some point be heavily penalised.

It doesn't seem to matter which way you look at the outcome of all this... until those responsible are ousted, we will become less free by the day.

Barring Divine intervention I can't see how anything but people power will manage this. So its a question of waking up enough people to achieve 'critical mass'.

Nevertheless a rucksack with well thought out kit next to the door is definitely sensible for a quick evac. which I see as a more likely scenario, and all your wonderful solar panelled homes etc. will either be destroyed, vacated or go to some scumbag.

bloody hell don't be so cynical!

by self sufficient i mean moving to someplace in the country, not trying to be self sufficient in the city center!

hell yeah, we're getting our survival kit ready :D

of course the only way to beat the nwo future is to wake the sheep up first and foremost!

but being self sufficient can help your own family too...and as infintie truth said there, they can't tax people who don't earn, who just swop goods with eachother in kind...

[mavis_analogue]

try loving, that'll do it.

www.chaosica.co.uk

[whitenight639]

is it possible to set up a cooperative with no money just shared skills/ time? if it is whos up for kissing the banks goodbye? theres what 5,000 members on here and i would imagine atleast 2,000 from the UK so thats got to be a good range of skills.

[rasnalgoul]

Boy ohh boy, Ive been waiting for someone to bring this up. Before I had even heard of David Icke all I ever researched was self suffiency and primitive living so I could escape the traps of our demonic civilization- the banks, authorities, government what not. Theres a great site I read daily. Its run by a guy who lives on the Northwestern coast (US) and hes completely devoted to self sufficient living what have you, and hes doing it right now. I was a little hesitant to give the link though because I dont think hes into ickes work, but basically he addresses almost everything icke says except with a different perspective, and I dont think he knows that. But the reason I was hesitant is because I didnt want to give the link and then have swarms of people emailing him trying to debate his views, hes already busy enough. Ill post the link as long as everyone promises not to try and roast the guy ok?- Alright here it is, I think its really a gem www.ranprieur.com the sites very basic but his essays are awesome and the land blog is basically a journal of his experiences living off the land, happy researching! By the way, I totally agree this is the way to defeat the NWO, and I believe as David says they control our reality with illusions, well a big illusion is that we need there services- banks, money, materials what have you- to survive.

[ashyr]

so instead of talking about it. why dont u do something?

thats what shits me about people. especially here.

ranting and raving and carrying on. get up out the door and do something damn you!

[rasnalgoul]

Well people need to have an idea of what they are gonna do before they set out to do it. Does that make sense to you? I dont think anyone here said specifically that they werent already doing something either. So lets not assume.

[whitenight639]

a sustainable living group on yahoo.

http://groups.yahoo.com/

[whitenight639]

so instead of talking about it. why dont u do something?

thats what shits me about people. especially here.

ranting and raving and carrying on. get up out the door and do something damn you!

what do you suggest ashry? ill do your plumbing for you can also do electrics and help you with ur computer, what can you do ie what are your skills?

[starchildtesla]

This is the video i created to hopefully start a nwo ,not the bad one though...
Where the internet is the weapon ,cheap affordable computers are the army to fight modern 'warfare'... an information war.
THe idea is an Internet Democracy.
I apologize for the quality of the film feel free to Remake the film im very new to you tube and not good at making film ,not sure if you can read parts of the film to like where
"ghandi proved this "
the white writing is hard to see because of the background

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMbHyOq2PLE

[erikneo]

I like It:).like you said it needs some work.But I would just change the colour of the letters.Its hard to read sometimes.Beside that i like the style...great choice of song.We Need more Video Like These.

Check Out Mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bf10bbsLzY

[cruise4]

Hi Celtic Isis... I'm not cynical. I'm doing it and have been for 30 years odd. I'm in very rural Britain, not a city centre and believe me these tax issues follow you everywhere. Its a constant fight to get these people to leave you alone... you cannot do it. We need them gone first, unfortunately. Now if you are prepared to earn less than your personal tax allowance, like I am, then you can avoid paying tax. So do that as a start.