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anthony65
10-11-2008, 10:26 AM
Trolls and Shills

Trolls and Shills have certain skills
They use with dark intent.
To undermine and obfuscate
With sophistic talent.

Truth they turn upon it’s head
Love they turn to hate
Hate they love and truth despise
Destroy but ne’er create.

They’ll ridicule and call the fool
The man who dares to seek
Truth, justice, honesty
And for these causes speak.

“Truth” they cry and “Facts” demand
But when they are provided
The proof ignored, belittled,
The facts they’ll be derided.

For Trolls and Shills will use their skills
To see that truth remains
Hidden, kept for keepers
In shadowy domains.

There’s little hope for reason
With souls as dark as they.
For Trolls and Shills are truly lost
And lost they’ll surely stay.

Hate them not, but pity them
For what these poor souls lack
Love and truth they’ll never know
While demons ride their back.



** On the subject of "Pity". Quote from Lord of the Rings. Comment by someone in the Internet. **

_____________Of pity and Gollum_____________
'The Shire - he may be seeking for it now, if he has not already found out where it lies. Indeed, Frodo, I fear that he may even think that the long-unnoticed name of Baggins has become important.'
'But this is terrible!' cried Frodo. 'Far worse than the worst that I imagined from your hints and warnings. O Gandalf, best of friends, what am I to do? For now I am really afraid. What am I to do? What a pity that Bilbo did not stab that vile creature, when he had a chance!'
'Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need. And he has been well rewarded, Frodo. Be sure that he took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because he began his ownership of the Ring so. With Pity.'
'I am sorry,' said Frodo. 'But I am frightened; and I do not feel any pity for Gollum.'
'You have not seen him,' Gandalf broke in.
'No, and I don't want to,' said Frodo. I can't understand you. Do you mean to say that you, and the Elves, have let him live on after all those horrible deeds? Now at any rate he is as bad as an Orc, and just an enemy. He deserves death.'
'Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. I have not much hope that Gollum can be cured before he dies, but there is a chance of it. And he is bound up with the fate of the Ring. My heart tells me that he has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end; and when that comes, the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many - yours not least. In any case we did not kill him: he is very old and very wretched. The Wood-elves have him in prison, but they treat him with such kindness as
they can find in their wise hearts.'

Comments: A very famous passage, which foreshadows Gollum's importance at the end of the quest for Mount Doom. A wonderful example of Gandalf's great wisdom and compassion, even for a creature as utterly debased as Gollum. Throughout Tolkien's works it is clear that he thought compassion and humility the noble qualities of the Good, and the desire to dominate or control others and hubris the roots of all Evil.

middleway00
10-11-2008, 10:36 AM
This is all illusion.

The ring, evil, good and thoughts are nothing more than a dream. Albeit entertaining, it is a burden that is better left behind. :)

anthony65
10-11-2008, 10:48 AM
This is all illusion.

The ring, evil, good and thoughts are nothing more than a dream. Albeit entertaining, it is a burden that is better left behind. :)

Thanks Middleway. You reminded me to make it clearer that the comment above is not mine.

I quoted the Lord of the Rings "Pity" dialogue, because it fitted to the poem (which I wrote at the weekend) and has always made a big impression on me.

The ring, evil, good and thoughts are nothing more than a dream.

Now there's a line to be discussed on winter's evening in pleasant company with a few alcoholic beverages... :)

The concept of the "Ring" alone.... :rolleyes:

Hmmm, you've got me thinking now.... ;)

haukipesukone
10-11-2008, 12:06 PM
Nice poem, except when you say "Trolls... have certain skills". That's not true.
http://eero.info/misc/Net_Troll.jpg

anthony65
10-11-2008, 12:23 PM
Nice poem, except when you say "Trolls... have certain skills". That's not true.
http://eero.info/misc/Net_Troll.jpg

Thanks Hauki,

I meant certain in the sense of "some but not much" :)

Your picture of the Net Troll fits the poem well! You couldn't hate him could you?

pinkfreud
10-11-2008, 12:29 PM
this should've been either in the forum talent or have a laugh thread ;)

great poem anthony. u got skills.

anthony65
10-11-2008, 01:25 PM
this should've been either in the forum talent or have a laugh thread ;)

great poem anthony. u got skills.

Thanks Pinkfreud! :)

Forum Talent was a new one for me, but you're right. Maybe one of the moderators could move the thread?

w1nstonsm1th84
10-11-2008, 02:17 PM
this should've been either in the forum talent or have a laugh thread ;)



As if by magic... :D

anthony65
10-11-2008, 03:17 PM
As if by magic... :D

Thanks Winston!

And thanks again to Pinkfreud for reminding me of the benefits of scrolling! :)

pinkfreud
10-11-2008, 05:00 PM
Thanks Winston!

And thanks again to Pinkfreud for reminding me of the benefits of scrolling! :)

no problemo :D

ill be peeking every now and then to see what poem u've got in store for us. me, since im poetically challenged, love reading the works of others (pablo neruda and sylvia plath are my favs) so.. keep belting them out ;)

cheers.

anthony65
10-11-2008, 05:19 PM
no problemo :D

ill be peeking every now and then to see what poem u've got in store for us. me, since im poetically challenged, love reading the works of others (pablo neruda and sylvia plath are my favs) so.. keep belting them out ;)

cheers.

And cheers to you to! Thanks for the encouragement...

middleway00
11-11-2008, 08:58 AM
Thanks Middleway. You reminded me to make it clearer that the comment above is not mine.

I quoted the Lord of the Rings "Pity" dialogue, because it fitted to the poem (which I wrote at the weekend) and has always made a big impression on me.

The ring, evil, good and thoughts are nothing more than a dream.

Now there's a line to be discussed on winter's evening in pleasant company with a few alcoholic beverages... :)

The concept of the "Ring" alone.... :rolleyes:

Hmmm, you've got me thinking now.... ;)

If you think too long, you'll go blind!:p