i dont get it?

[millhouse]

Hi, just something i was pondering? If our bodies are just vehicles for this 5 sense 'illusion', why is it when people see ghosts they still have the 'human' form, i.e a body. Surely once we 'die' our conciousness is free of this vehicle we call our body. I was just watching david at the brixton academy and he mentions that when peolple see ghosts,it is when people are tuning in to something just outside our normal frequancy range,but that to me is contradicting himself because,he also talks of his dead mother, and how he could tell the 'soul' had left her body (vehicle) when he saw her for the last time. I Would be interested in your view of this?

[fromthatshow]

People see and create what they are comfortable with and what they feel safest seeing. It could be that David felt comfortable seeing his mother with a body. It could be that his mother felt comfortable expressing herself as a body. It does not mean she is still in the physical. Actually, we are not really in the physical either, we are just deeper in the illusion.

[hagbard_celine]

People see and create what they are comfortable with and what they feel safest seeing. It could be that David felt comfortable seeing his mother with a body. It could be that his mother felt comfortable expressing herself as a body. It does not mean she is still in the physical. Actually, we are not really in the physical either, we are just deeper in the illusion.


I remember that scene from What Dreams May Come about "residual self-image"; the soul is used to being in its body it therfore cointinues to see itself existing as that physical form after death.

[john connor]

People see and create what they are comfortable with and what they feel safest seeing. It could be that David felt comfortable seeing his mother with a body. It could be that his mother felt comfortable expressing herself as a body. It does not mean she is still in the physical. Actually, we are not really in the physical either, we are just deeper in the illusion.

I know very very little of this subject but am open to learning, if the body is just an illusion? why do some souls have what would be called ugly or disfigured bodies? I've never really thought too much of what I guess is spirituality? correct me where I go wrong

[tusme]

Hi,

I doubt very much, anyone on this Earth, has physically seen/touched a "ghost"...!

I haven't and I know, I never will, because that is not my (intended) reality/Truth...!

I think, the reason people describe "ghosts" as having "body-like" figures, is because of the manner in which such an experience has been communicated to them... For example, in movies...and especially now with the age of technology, it's even more the case...!

Cheers!

[millhouse]

thanks for all your comments guys!

[tusme]

thanks for all your comments guys!
Hi Millhouse,

You're welcome..!! ;)

Great thread...! Apologies, for not addressing you in my post...abit of laziness on my part...!? :o

Cheers!

[marpat]

Hi, just something i was pondering? If our bodies are just vehicles for this 5 sense 'illusion', why is it when people see ghosts they still have the 'human' form, i.e a body. Surely once we 'die' our conciousness is free of this vehicle we call our body. I was just watching david at the brixton academy and he mentions that when peolple see ghosts,it is when people are tuning in to something just outside our normal frequancy range,but that to me is contradicting himself because,he also talks of his dead mother, and how he could tell the 'soul' had left her body (vehicle) when he saw her for the last time. I Would be interested in your view of this?


The subtle body is what the human form is built upon. It is thought there are several bodies, such as the mental and emotional body, which respond to different levels of being. Also, the mind of an entity is conditioned by its earthly existence so that mentally it holds the form of what it was familiar with on earth. A dying person does not immedialtely become free of the planes of form, they just move into form of a more subtle type.

[marpat]

Hi,

I doubt very much, anyone on this Earth, has physically seen/touched a "ghost"...!

I haven't and I know, I never will, because that is not my (intended) reality/Truth...!

I think, the reason people describe "ghosts" as having "body-like" figures, is because of the manner in which such an experience has been communicated to them... For example, in movies...and especially now with the age of technology, it's even more the case...!

Cheers!

My wife saw one when she was with another person. They worked in a hosptial and saw an old man get into a litf then the doors closed. They pressed the button and when the doors opened the lift was empty. As my wife is not the type to exaggerate what she sees I doubt she would stretch such a story. Also, the lift had not actually had time to move and return before the doors were opened.

[tusme]

My wife saw one when she was with another person. They worked in a hosptial and saw an old man get into a litf then the doors closed. They pressed the button and when the doors opened the lift was empty. As my wife is not the type to exaggerate what she sees I doubt she would stretch such a story. Also, the lift had not actually had time to move and return before the doors were opened.
Hi Marpat,

With all due respect to you and your wife's experience...the question begs though...if, as you say, your wife "worked at the hospital", then why has she only had "one" encounter...!? :confused:

Also, the most difficult thing to understand about "ghosts" is, the manner in which such entities, seemingly, switch between the Physical and Spiritual...!?

And before anyone starts yelling, "quantum physics"...well then, the question is, why don't they (ghosts) remain physical long enough so as just to give us the opportunity to confirm that it is actually possible...know what I mean?

Hmm...maybe I shall just have to wait for my own encounter... :)

Thanks

Cheers

[marpat]

Hi Marpat,

With all due respect to you and your wife's experience...the question begs though...if, as you say, your wife "worked at the hospital", then why has she only had "one" encounter...!? :confused:

Also, the most difficult thing to understand about "ghosts" is, the manner in which such entities, seemingly, switch between the Physical and Spiritual...!?

And before anyone starts yelling, "quantum physics"...well then, the question is, why don't they (ghosts) remain physical long enough so as just to give us the opportunity to confirm that it is actually possible...know what I mean?

Hmm...maybe I shall just have to wait for my own encounter... :)

Thanks

Cheers

I dont know why she would have seen such a thing once. She is not there 24 hrs a day. Perhaps there are a lot of other factors that people are not yet awre of, such as moons phase, womans menstrual period, etc. Might sound odd that but they reckon women are quite powerful psychically under such conditions due to the release of blood.

You cant see radio waves, or x-rays, but you know such things exist because we have devices that can measure such things. Perhaps we are just waiting to see if such a device can be made that will measure such energies. I prefer to keep an open mind on such things.

[tusme]

I dont know why she would have seen such a thing once. She is not there 24 hrs a day. Perhaps there are a lot of other factors that people are not yet awre of, such as moons phase, womans menstrual period, etc. Might sound odd that but they reckon women are quite powerful psychically under such conditions due to the release of blood.

You cant see radio waves, or x-rays, but you know such things exist because we have devices that can measure such things. Perhaps we are just waiting to see if such a device can be made that will measure such energies. I prefer to keep an open mind on such things.
Hi Marpat,

We won't go there, re, women and there monthly's...:D ...do you reckon it's that that cause that "ghost" to leg it...? :D

I must admit, this is a subject, for some reason or other doesn't interest me much...probably co's, as a kid, it caused me so much terror...:D

But you're right...there is no doubt such energy's operating within our (Physical) realm...why though?

It don't happen very often but I can, sometimes, sense the difference in energy around me...hmm, but I pay it no attention...! :D would you!?

Take it easy!

Cheers!

[marpat]

Hi Marpat,

We won't go there, re, women and there monthly's...:D ...do you reckon it's that that cause that "ghost" to leg it...? :D

I must admit, this is a subject, for some reason or other doesn't interest me much...probably co's, as a kid, it caused me so much terror...:D

But you're right...there is no doubt such energy's operating within our (Physical) realm...why though?

It don't happen very often but I can, sometimes, sense the difference in energy around me...hmm, but I pay it no attention...! :D would you!?

Take it easy!

Cheers!


Personally I am not afraid of such things. I sometimes go hunting in the countryside on my own at night so have learned to conquer a lot of the fears of the mind and spooky feelings.

[tusme]

Personally I am not afraid of such things. I sometimes go hunting in the countryside on my own at night so have learned to conquer a lot of the fears of the mind and spooky feelings.
Hi Marpat,

I agree...often (and especially in the dark), what our mind interprets, is more frightening than whats happening outside of it... :D

As for "hunting on your own"...you're not Dick Cheney by any chance are you...!? :D

Cheers

[the itinerant shrubber]

I have a theory that ghosts are a persons residual ego. The ego dies with our bodies but maybe the ego as a non-conscious energy stays behind in some cases.
This would answer the initial question of this thread because the ego manifests itself in the way it wishes to be seen,it would also explain why traumatic, emotionally charged events such as murder,grief,loss and betrayal are often cited as causes for hauntings.
Just my pennies worth.

[gbarnard]

What we see as ghosts most likely is not conscious at all. Its energy trapped in the etheral plane most likely by strong emotion at the time of death or sometime before in the soul's life.

I theorize that when someone dies the soul bounces, its long gone, somewhere else, maybe reincarnation I dont know. But the residual self, the physical body, can show up to sensitive people or at sensitive times depending on the emotional intensity imprinted on that person, event, or place.

[oddblock]

One of my earliest memories is being about 3 years old standing in my cot and seeing an old lady in my parents bed who I thought was my mum but after a while she disappeared, this is the only experience I've had and I'm not sure.

I've started thinking it may be I had just woken up and my mind was still in half a dream and I wasn't actually "seeing" this image.

I do remember it quite vividly though, can even remember calling for her and her ignoring me :(

[hagbard_celine]

Marpat and Tusme:

You might be interested in the testomony of Dr Mitchell Gibson: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8027890582239969035&ei=q6QUSeGgE4L82wKc65yhAg&q=mitchell+gibson

I serve as a porter at a hospital and have spoken to several doctors, nurses, fellow porters and other healthcare workers who've had mystical experiences in hospitals. In a place where death and suffering is concentrated it's an ideal place to start.

A few months ago a nurse on a ward called the Clinical Decision Unit ran out screaming after she spotted a spectral figure in there. The other nurses acted with little surprise and all of them seemed to have had similar sightings or knew others that had.