The Cosmic Mind and my concept of God

[tjohn]

I was into religion in my late teens and early twenties (which was a long time ago), then I began asking questions about what I was being led to believe. So over several years I left religion but this doesn't mean that I don't have a concept of God, because it's logical to me that the universe came from somewhere, or some thing, or someone.

Over many years of study it became more and more obvious that the bible is not the complete and infallible word of God as some claim it is. However, there are some clues in the bible of who or what God is and here's such a clue:

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" John 1:1

At first glance it doesn't seem to make sense because how can someone be someone, yet be with that person at the same time? I was told that the Word is Jesus and "Word" is translated from the Greek, Logos. So what does Logos mean? There are shades of meaning given to the Logos many of which are from a religious slant but when viewing this without religious bias, I finally came to the following conclusion:

The Logos means the expression of the mind. But what mind? God's mind would be the obvious answer and I find from science that everything is made of information and information implies a mind. Then experiments in quantum physics suggest that the universe itself shows consciousness!

For instance, one experiment shows that light (from a laser) knows when we are looking at it! Light is energy and energy has been shown to be a form of matter and that being the case, it would suggest that matter is also conscious and the claim falls into place, that "Mother Earth" is indeed a living entity.

Lets go back to John 1:1, only this time change "the Word" for the "expression of the Mind."

"In the beginning was the expression of the Mind and the expression of the Mind was with God and the expression of the Mind, was God"

Or try this one, "In the beginning was the expression of John's mind and the expression of John's mind was with John and the expression of John's mind, was John"

Make sense? Well yes and what we say and do is an expression of our mind and in a sense is our mind. It may sound Greek to some but it came from the Greek. Because of this as well as things I have experienced, I have come to believe that there is a Cosmic Mind and it's as though the universe is the brain for the Cosmic Mind.

The mind is not the brain itself but the brain serves to process thoughts and this is why we cannot find where the mind is in the brain - hence also, we will not find God in any literal sense in the universe. Then get this, we humans are acting out Cosmic thoughts and we humans contribute to what the Cosmic Mind is doing in our part of the universe and that gives us the responsibility for what happens on our tiny, tiny planet, when compared to the whole universe.

So yes, we are all part of God, "good" or "bad" and just as we sometimes can have conflicting thoughts (actually I don't have anywhere near as many conflicting thoughts as I had when I was younger), so also with the Cosmos and this is why there are destructive things happening as well as creative things, which are happening everywhere in our universe all the time. However, it should be very obvious that without constructive and creative events the physical universe wouldn't even exist!

In a sense God is in every cell (and atom) of our body and that brings me to love. So what is love and why does love exist?

There are 'laws' of the universe such as gravity and electrostatic 'forces' which unite energy units (of information) together as/into matter and this is the creative side that holds our universe together. These attractive laws or 'forces' to unite that cause matter to exist, are then reflected in us and this is why we have compassion and empathy and why we love other people - it is why we need to be with people and the laws to unite are why the universe exists.

Then as agents with a mind of our own, we have some choice in what the Cosmic Mind is doing... are we going to be creative and constructive as our true nature intended, or are we going to be hateful and be deliberately destructive? :rolleyes: :(

As for sexual relationships (which although for various reasons often go wrong these days), the Cosmic intent is to bring unity between two people and with that union there's (usually) the potential to be creative in a very real way - a new life - a baby! :) See how it fits in? (was that a pun?)

We were not born to hate but by nature are born to love and to unite with other people. A child is not born with hate but hate is learned from others; through what happens at school, the media and so on. Unwittingly, parents pass on some bad traits to their children, because parents too have been subject to negative conditioning. From childhood we are taught to compete against each other and especially at school, we are conditioned to think of 'number one' because we are told (or are given the impression) that we must be the best, when it should be do the best we can, which does not make us 'better' than anyone else.

Some interesting comments on this clip:
http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/zeitgeist-end.mpg (http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/%7Etruth009/zeitgeist-end.mpg)

Think I will leave it there for now... hope my ramblings haven't bored anyone..

John

[cafetimes1991]

Very interesting post.

[tjohn]

Very interesting post.Thank-you, Cafetimes1991! Now I'm just waiting for blind religious followers to spoil it! :eek: Sigh...

[planetsadhana]

having problems watching the clip, can you send again or leave a link,ta

[tjohn]

having problems watching the clip, can you send again or leave a link,taI can't get the embedded thing to work myself but thought it was due to my browser. I put the link on there as well.
http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/zeitgeist-end.mpg
If the above link doesn't play in your browser, Right click and download onto your computer. At little over 4 MB it isn't a large file.

I will re-edit and try to take the embedded thing off...

[tjohn]

hmmm.... where have all the argumentative religious people gone??? :p

[saaduh64]

well here is my take on the subject..
first of all let me tell you that i am a muslim and i am a believer rather than a folower, and let me tell you here that you guys are looking in the wrong direction for we all know thatthe current bible is actually not the original version, rather copies(heavily edited by the vatican).
now let me tell you why i am a muslim, firstly i know that the quran i am getting is constantly being verified again and again because of some muslims who devote their lives to it, understanding and remembering it, so many people know it by heart that even one small mistake is caught and eradicated.

then let me tell you about islam, Islam is actually really a belief that we really are made by an all supreme deity and that deity has from time to time sent men to guide humankind, we call them prophets. there has been found practical historical proof of these prophets. and thats fairly about it.
once you believe it then it comes secondary that you do some actions to make your creator happy so that in return he give you further happiness.

and let me tell you islam doesnt contradicts other religions but if you look deeply it tells you the real truth of them, namely that they have been edited by so many men that it is not now in its original divine shape. then some people will raise a question as the the authenticity of quran. tell me honestly, if quran were really the creation of prophet Mohammad, how could he possibly, being an illiterate shepherd all his life possibly create a book like this?
a book that even now we are finding to be authentic and it seems to be authentic forever? can someone find any flaws in it???
if its flawless, how can it be a mans creation??? much less an illiterate??

[tjohn]

well here is my take on the subject..
first of all let me tell you that i am a muslim and i am a believer rather than a folower, and let me tell you here that you guys are looking in the wrong direction for we all know thatthe current bible is actually not the original version, rather copies(heavily edited by the vatican).
now let me tell you why i am a muslim, firstly i know that the quran i am getting is constantly being verified again and again because of some muslims who devote their lives to it, understanding and remembering it, so many people know it by heart that even one small mistake is caught and eradicated.

then let me tell you about islam, Islam is actually really a belief that we really are made by an all supreme deity and that deity has from time to time sent men to guide humankind, we call them prophets. there has been found practical historical proof of these prophets. and thats fairly about it.
once you believe it then it comes secondary that you do some actions to make your creator happy so that in return he give you further happiness.

and let me tell you islam doesnt contradicts other religions but if you look deeply it tells you the real truth of them, namely that they have been edited by so many men that it is not now in its original divine shape. then some people will raise a question as the the authenticity of quran. tell me honestly, if quran were really the creation of prophet Mohammad, how could he possibly, being an illiterate shepherd all his life possibly create a book like this?
a book that even now we are finding to be authentic and it seems to be authentic forever? can someone find any flaws in it???
if its flawless, how can it be a mans creation??? much less an illiterate??Are there no flaws or contradictions in the Quran?
http://www.carm.org/islam/Koran_contradictions.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv11.html

[emerald]

I was into religion in my late teens and early twenties (which was a long time ago), then I began asking questions about what I was being led to believe. So over several years I left religion but this doesn't mean that I don't have a concept of God, because it's logical to me that the universe came from somewhere, or some thing, or someone.

Over many years of study it became more and more obvious that the bible is not the complete and infallible word of God as some claim it is. However, there are some clues in the bible of who or what God is and here's such a clue:

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" John 1:1

At first glance it doesn't seem to make sense because how can someone be someone, yet be with that person at the same time? I was told that the Word is Jesus and "Word" is translated from the Greek, Logos. So what does Logos mean? There are shades of meaning given to the Logos many of which are from a religious slant but when viewing this without religious bias, I finally came to the following conclusion:

The Logos means the expression of the mind. But what mind? God's mind would be the obvious answer and I find from science that everything is made of information and information implies a mind. Then experiments in quantum physics suggest that the universe itself shows consciousness!

For instance, one experiment shows that light (from a laser) knows when we are looking at it! Light is energy and energy has been shown to be a form of matter and that being the case, it would suggest that matter is also conscious and the claim falls into place, that "Mother Earth" is indeed a living entity.

Lets go back to John 1:1, only this time change "the Word" for the "expression of the Mind."

"In the beginning was the expression of the Mind and the expression of the Mind was with God and the expression of the Mind, was God"

Or try this one, "In the beginning was the expression of John's mind and the expression of John's mind was with John and the expression of John's mind, was John"

Make sense? Well yes and what we say and do is an expression of our mind and in a sense is our mind. It may sound Greek to some but it came from the Greek. Because of this as well as things I have experienced, I have come to believe that there is a Cosmic Mind and it's as though the universe is the brain for the Cosmic Mind.

The mind is not the brain itself but the brain serves to process thoughts and this is why we cannot find where the mind is in the brain - hence also, we will not find God in any literal sense in the universe. Then get this, we humans are acting out Cosmic thoughts and we humans contribute to what the Cosmic Mind is doing in our part of the universe and that gives us the responsibility for what happens on our tiny, tiny planet, when compared to the whole universe.

So yes, we are all part of God, "good" or "bad" and just as we sometimes can have conflicting thoughts (actually I don't have anywhere near as many conflicting thoughts as I had when I was younger), so also with the Cosmos and this is why there are destructive things happening as well as creative things, which are happening everywhere in our universe all the time. However, it should be very obvious that without constructive and creative events the physical universe wouldn't even exist!

In a sense God is in every cell (and atom) of our body and that brings me to love. So what is love and why does love exist?

There are 'laws' of the universe such as gravity and electrostatic 'forces' which unite energy units (of information) together as/into matter and this is the creative side that holds our universe together. These attractive laws or 'forces' to unite that cause matter to exist, are then reflected in us and this is why we have compassion and empathy and why we love other people - it is why we need to be with people and the laws to unite are why the universe exists.

Then as agents with a mind of our own, we have some choice in what the Cosmic Mind is doing... are we going to be creative and constructive as our true nature intended, or are we going to be hateful and be deliberately destructive? :rolleyes: :(

As for sexual relationships (which although for various reasons often go wrong these days), the Cosmic intent is to bring unity between two people and with that union there's (usually) the potential to be creative in a very real way - a new life - a baby! :) See how it fits in? (was that a pun?)

We were not born to hate but by nature are born to love and to unite with other people. A child is not born with hate but hate is learned from others; through what happens at school, the media and so on. Unwittingly, parents pass on some bad traits to their children, because parents too have been subject to negative conditioning. From childhood we are taught to compete against each other and especially at school, we are conditioned to think of 'number one' because we are told (or are given the impression) that we must be the best, when it should be do the best we can, which does not make us 'better' than anyone else.

Some interesting comments on this clip:
http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/zeitgeist-end.mpg (http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/%7Etruth009/zeitgeist-end.mpg)

Think I will leave it there for now... hope my ramblings haven't bored anyone..

John




It's not a rambling, but also my thoughts/feelings precisely. When we will reach this level of understanding, we can call ourselves really human and ready to evolve.

[saaduh64]

oh man tjohn, no wonder you are so messed up...
sure i went ant read all those pages but you kno they themselves are confused,
let me first remind you that quran is a complete book with no other parts, and because it was revealed part by part, it has a measure of solidifying its suggestions, like in the area of alcoholic drinks, first muslims were RECOMMENDED not to drink it, then muslims were asked to not offer prayers while drunk and then afterall, muslims were ordered away from it.
i hope you will understand the logic of such orders, for everybody knows how hard it is to stop drinking.
another thing i would want you to know is that arabic is a very ancient language with many poets and literary giants born in it, that means one word in arabic may have about 9 or more altogether meanings, and this guy just wrote down what meanings he saw fit to better turn the minds of people like you.
another thing we are taught in architecture is context. a very important factor that can completely transform our design, yu got to understand the context of these ayah before criticising, i will take example of the first contradiction the first site has to offer
# What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).


1. by the clot of congealed blood, it is meant the clot of blood like mess that comes into being in the few weeks following the fertilization taking place.
2. and 3. these verses are from the area where the genesis is in discussion, the discussion of clay and mud is such that to create contrast between the genie and human, and should i remind you that satan was a being of fire?
also 2. discusses how man was created but incompletely, the whole excerpt describes how God created man out of clay, moulded into the shape and then made him a living, thinking organism.
another explanation can be what we call as the darwins theory, about how the first living beings came into being, if i recall it right, it was just a jelly like organisms who could breathe, much like clay for it was somewhere there it formed???
then it evolved to take shape, slowly onto fish then amphibians then so on to mammals and after all to humans??? now this all is my belief and understanding.
the 4.th point also coincides with the second and fourth, for after all before all that, there was nothing!!!
5. here the intention was to teach the process of reproduction, now please someone tell me, who in that era knew about the process of reproduction???

'nuff said?

my suggestion to you all is to try and understand quran first, and not in english but in arabic, for i hope you understand how much life any script loses if translated in another language.

[tjohn]

Thankyou, saaduh64.

Words of any language are just labels and if you really want to know, the Truth cannot be fully expressed in any spoken language - yet it can be seen here, that you are following a book and a religion that tells you what to know and understand.

I am not saying that there isn't some truth in the Quran or the Bible but it can be shown that there are also many contradictions in those books, which the religious will try to explain away.

The Truth is deep inside you but your mind has been influenced by religion which is not the whole truth..

'nuff said

[tjohn]

It's not a rambling, but also my thoughts/feelings precisely. When we will reach this level of understanding, we can call ourselves really human and ready to evolve.

Well, what can I say? Thank-you but don't follow me, because yes, I can see. :eek:

Then I do like your face, :)
and our thoughts & feelings might more precisely relate,
if you got rid of your TV :eek: :rolleyes:

Will you do that for you and me?

lol

[armoured_amazon]

So over several years I left religion but this doesn't mean that I don't have a concept of God, because it's logical to me that the universe came from somewhere, or some thing, or someone.

Religion and God do not go hand in hand. No wonder you can't fathom the Creator's existence/have a relationship with God when you try to understand through the human mind.

[tjohn]

Religion and God do not go hand in hand. No wonder you can't fathom the Creator's existence/have a relationship with God when you try to understand through the human mind. I would be the first to say that religion and God do not go hand in hand! Then why are you following religious teachings and religious books such as the bible - which surely you admit was put together by religious people?

In regard to my understanding, what mind can I use but my mind? Yet it's not just my individual mind that's at work, because we (you included) are connected to the Cosmic Mind - or would you deny this?

So where are you going wrong? You are blindly following what has been taught through religion yet you deny calling what you believe a religion! :rolleyes:

Perhaps (instead of skimming through it), you should carefully read the whole of what I said at the start of this thread. I'm not saying that I have a perfect or complete understanding of everything but it surely makes more sense than we find in religion.

If you or anyone can find a more reasonable explanation (and that means without the contradictions against truth that are found in religion) of God and the universe including us of course, I would welcome it!

Further clues about religious beliefs can be found here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=604831&postcount=41

[emerald]

Well, what can I say? Thank-you but don't follow me, because yes, I can see. :eek:

Then I do like your face, :)
and our thoughts & feelings might more precisely relate,
if you got rid of your TV :eek: :rolleyes:

Will you do that for you and me?

lol

:D Actually I have 2 TVs (one spare). As long as theres still some interesting stuff there, I have no intention to do this, especially that now I see things in a diff way.

[pleasuredome]

I was into religion in my late teens and early twenties (which was a long time ago), then I began asking questions about what I was being led to believe. So over several years I left religion but this doesn't mean that I don't have a concept of God, because it's logical to me that the universe came from somewhere, or some thing, or someone.

same journey and conclusion for me too.

Over many years of study it became more and more obvious that the bible is not the complete and infallible word of God as some claim it is. However, there are some clues in the bible of who or what God is and here's such a clue:

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" John 1:1

At first glance it doesn't seem to make sense because how can someone be someone, yet be with that person at the same time? I was told that the Word is Jesus and "Word" is translated from the Greek, Logos. So what does Logos mean? There are shades of meaning given to the Logos many of which are from a religious slant but when viewing this without religious bias, I finally came to the following conclusion:

The Logos means the expression of the mind. But what mind? God's mind would be the obvious answer and I find from science that everything is made of information and information implies a mind. [FONT=Arial]Then experiments in quantum physics suggest that the universe itself shows consciousness!

you could substitute 'the word' for vibration like Icke does, or projection like i do.

it doesnt matter if you think the bible is complete or not, if you think about it though how could it possibly be complete? its a just a reminder a book containing some remiders of our greater self. john 1.1 only reminds us of the start of the projection, it doesnt tell us about the origin.



The mind is not the brain itself but the brain serves to process thoughts and this is why we cannot find where the mind is in the brain - hence also, we will not find God in any literal sense in the universe. Then get this, we humans are acting out Cosmic thoughts and we humans contribute to what the Cosmic Mind is doing in our part of the universe and that gives us the responsibility for what happens on our tiny, tiny planet, when compared to the whole universe.

yes, but we're influenced by 'thought forms' which keep us in the 'time loop'. our identification with the 'thought forms' feeds them and makes them persist. eventually, conciousness' desire to experience will break the loop, hence why it projected in the first place and also why we are all going to experience 'the change' or 'return of christ'.

[tjohn]

you could substitute 'the word' for vibration like Icke does...Like a wave, as in a brain wave perhaps? That would fit but I'm not sure if David means it in that context - if he does, then great...

it doesnt matter if you think the bible is complete or not, if you think about it though how could it possibly be complete? its a just a reminder a book containing some remiders of our greater self. john 1.1 only reminds us of the start of the projection, it doesnt tell us about the origin. I think it matters and in my opinion it would have been better without the religious use of such books. Countless numbers of people have been murdered because of following interpretations of that imperfect/incomplete book (and others). Having that book and following it in a religious way has prevented or slowed down spiritual progress for many people.

yes, but we're influenced by 'thought forms' which keep us in the 'time loop'. our identification with the 'thought forms' feeds them and makes them persist. eventually, conciousness' desire to experience will break the loop, hence why it projected in the first place and also why we are all going to experience 'the change' or 'return of christ'.There's an interesting concept... :)

....but it's sad that through religion so many people have their thoughts pointed the other way which has slowed down the human race from progressing spiritually. As far as I am concerned religion should be archived to where it belongs, to the primitive past.

[pleasuredome]

I think it matters and in my opinion it would have been better without the religious use of such books. Countless numbers of people have been murdered because of following interpretations of that imperfect/incomplete book (and others). Having that book and following it in a religious way has prevented or slowed down spiritual progress for many people.

you can blame(figuratively speaking) people for that mostly, and partly because the book is a mish-mash of both religious and spiritual teachings.

....but it's sad that through religion so many people have their thoughts pointed the other way which has slowed down the human race from progressing spiritually. As far as I am concerned religion should be archived to where it belongs, to the primitive past.

i totally agree. :cool:

[tjohn]

(quoting the Quran)
1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2). If (as Islam teaches) God does not dwell in the universe then who's blood was it that was used to make man?

2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26). That's interesting because the Sumerian texts which were written thousands of years before the Bible or the Quran, not only explain about the blood and the clay but they also spell out who the "we" were who created us.

[tjohn]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=626023&postcount=74

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2RD4vTuPN0

http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/Godmind.jpg