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ho1ogram
23-05-2007, 11:26 AM
Well this is pretty interesting if you don't eat animal protein.

As with just about everything else in this mixed up world the prevailing consensus about vitamin B12 is based on distorted research. The idea that B12 is only available from animal protein is a myth and it is in fact available throughout the vegetable kingdom, according to the following source.

Cyanocobalamin - Vitamin B12 producing bacteria are in the Cyanobacterium (algae, moses) family. This class of microorganisms are the bacteria that generally require and live in the sunlight and/or oxygenated environment of the plant surfaces, roots, upper soils and in the waters (near surface).

God and nature has made no mistakes in providing sufficient Vitamin B12 to billions of herbivorous animals over millions of millennia - including the vegetarian primates (our biologically nearest creational equivalents) and man! -- if he (man) makes the right dietary choices and nourishes himself the way he was originally designed! -- That is: In and from the garden! -- the perfect home of pure, uncontaminated, light, oxygen and vegetation loving Cyanocobalamin, in correct bounty, in low concentrations, but sufficient for our needs!-- Not extorted from defiled, destroyed, killed, disease hosting, disease transmitting and B12 hyper-concentrating animals -- especially carnivorous animals (as poultry, pork, fish, etc.), which accumulate and concentrate even more B12 in their tissue, fluids and ova at levels above and higher than the herbivorous animals and/or the insects which they consume. Hence carnivores (including man when he chooses to be such) do ultra-concentrate B12 in their tissues!

Hence in carnivorous man, a falsely high mean standard of B12 levels is accumulated and is consequently measured high in phlebotomy data; so it is accepted as the human norm! -- Not good or honest science!!!


Why are vegans and vegetarians told so often that they have low B12 levels? Because the standard against which B12 levels are measured is artificially high.


And that false high standard (as has been accepted by most all of medicine) precipitates wrong diagnosis! that is, lower test values of accumulatedserum*** B12 levels -- which are naturally (and correctly) less in non-carnivorous (vegetarian) humans and their dependent nursing infants! Those presumed "deficient" patients are then endangered with the unnecessary administrations of (the sewage and/or animal harvested and unnaturally formulated) B12 injections and/or tablets, with their plethora of contraindications (side affects) possible in many recipient patients or wrongly treated victims!

*** serum (blood stream) levels of B12 is not always a good indication of true internal, intra-/inter-cellular, metabolic, B12 functional levels. It is also (now) known that the cells are ultra conservative with B12; i.e. keeping appropriate stores of it within the cells themselves, recycling it within the intra-cellular (inside) chemistry and allowing only that which is absolutely necessary in inter-cellular (between cells) chemistry to be exported, hence not requiring (as was previously presumed) high levels of B12 to be carried in consumption, digestion, absorption and blood flow to replenish it. -- tlr 7/3/03

Standard medicine has seriously erred in the violation of honored Koch postulates and true scientific method, by producing unnatural high average blood level standards for B12, and assuming them as the correct human mean or standard -- based upon hematological data accumulated and calculated in the cross-section of primarily heavily carnivorous USA/Industrial world humans! -- not a true or honest measure for serum B12 levels for all of humanity, nor for creation's biologically intended, apparent and correct human nutrition, chemistry and physiology!


http://www.lifesave.org/VitaminB12.htm

celtic isis
23-05-2007, 11:32 AM
Well this is pretty interesting if you don't eat animal protein.

As with just about everything else in this mixed up world the prevailing consensus about vitamin B12 is based on distorted research. The idea that B12 is only available from animal protein is a myth and it is in fact available throughout the vegetable kingdom, according to the following source.



Why are vegans and vegetarians told so often that they have low B12 levels? Because the standard against which B12 levels are measured is artificially high.



http://www.lifesave.org/VitaminB12.htm

i know, i was vegetarian for about 8 years, from when i was 16 on and i was never low on anything! Beans are full of b 12 too i'm sure.

I'm in france now and well, have been eating meat though i want to go back to being veggie again, really don't like eating meat but still getting used to way of life here so...only prob is vegetables have lost so much of their nutrients now, and are so full of chemical crap that well, you can't get all the nutrition we used to get from them now. Unless you buy organic or bio as it's known here but right now i can't afford it! Will have a look tonight when i go shopping lol, maybe cut down on the treats and buy more bio veg, oh brother lol

What have we done to the world eh. the poor veggies.

:(

ho1ogram
23-05-2007, 08:39 PM
i know, i was vegetarian for about 8 years, from when i was 16 on and i was never low on anything! Beans are full of b 12 too i'm sure.
Yeah, g'day celtic isis, so much is a scam and I reckon people are programmed to think sick... so then they get sick! Vego's are constantly told to check their b12 levels over and over again, setting the body up for failure I reckon. Doctors, family, etc. they're always harpin' on about b12,b12,b12...lol... it programmes the mind and the symptoms manifest in the body.

i am all i am
23-05-2007, 08:59 PM
Yeah, g'day celtic isis, so much is a scam and I reckon people are programmed to think sick... so then they get sick! Vego's are constantly told to check their b12 levels over and over again, setting the body up for failure I reckon. Doctors, family, etc. they're always harpin' on about b12,b12,b12...lol... it programmes the mind and the symptoms manifest in the body.

G'day Ho1ogram.

I agree 100%.

The mind is a powerful tool, and the thoughts that we have are made manifest, including those about the body.

Here are some wise words...

"The cure of the part should not be attempted without treatment of the whole. No attempt should be made to cure the body without the soul. Let no one persuade you to cure the head until he has first given you his soul to be cured, for this is the great error of our day, that physicians first separate the soul from the body." - PLATO.

This is also the case of seperating the mind (thoughts) from the healing process. Thoughts, words and actions, or, mind, soul and body, are an integral whole that should be treated together, for any seperation will lead to a misdiagnosis, and therefore, further dis-ease.



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eternal_spirit
23-05-2007, 09:10 PM
Good posts....What are we suppossed to eat to get a small amount of b12 and not too much as you suggested in the previous posts anyone???

hagbard_celine
23-05-2007, 11:41 PM
Alfalfa sprouts contain large amounts of B12 and the anti-cancer nutrient nitrilocide. They're pretty foul tasting if you eat a lot of them, but as Woody Allen said: "This stuff tastes awful. I could make a fortune selling it at my health food store".

eternal_spirit
24-05-2007, 12:14 AM
LOL cheers hagbard. Vegemites foul stuff think that's vegan, don't know if it contains B12 like marmite does which is Veggie and tatses better.... the B12 in marmite probably comes from milk.

avatar
24-05-2007, 02:39 AM
Thanks ho1ogram. Being able to get everything from a vegan diet bar one thing has never made much sense has it?

ho1ogram
24-05-2007, 02:57 AM
Good posts....What are we suppossed to eat to get a small amount of b12 and not too much as you suggested in the previous posts anyone???

G'day eternal spirit
There is more info at the link. My understanding from the article is that B12 producing bacteria live on the surface of all above ground veggies. It's also my understanding from the article that you can't have too much naturally occuring B12 in your diet, it's just that we don't need as much as mainstram science has been saying. The possible risks he mentions are from the side effects of B12 injections and tablets.

I don't worry about B12 now. My diet is virtually vegan (bit of honey, eggs and smidge of butter now and then) and I feel great. It's only been a couple of months, but I am much more comfortable and full of energy than the last time I had a vegan diet.

This time I have been nourishing my spirit and mind and as well as my body. As iaaia pointed out above, it is essentisl for health. Conspiracy and spiritual research combined with lots of fun and an understanding that we are vibrationary frequencies within the mind of God/spirit/the all that is, feeds my self with all I need. I can feel the love vibrating through me especially as the layers of bullshit that usually surround ones life are removed.

Also, I've found eating by intuition rather than worrying too much about it helps... the body knows what it needs and it has it's own ways of talking to me. It's all an illusion and the real me can't get sick. Love, h.